1968 Camaro "Badmotorfinger" v2.2

[Flash68]

Yes. :D With the RS chassis the typical road race pan would have my motor up higher in the chassis. The dry sump allows me three things.

1 Better oiling
2 Motor lower and farther back since my pan will be 3.5" deep max
3 Vacuum in the crankcase for more hp

I am trying to decide between Dailey and an integrated pump and AL pan or Aviad and a steel pan with external oil lines. :question:

Agreed and jealous on #1 and #3. :D

On #2, while lower and setback of motor is excellent, I did not like a really shallow pan from my research for road course. They are available from Canton, Aviaid, etc. but I read about and talked to a couple of the dry sump companies and more specifically about location of pickups. 99% of the pans out there have pick ups on one side it seems (passenger) so I'll pick up that research again later but I'll likely get one done with the pickups right where I want them.

[FETorino]

Agreed and jealous on #1 and #3. :D

On #2, while lower and setback of motor is excellent, I did not like a really shallow pan from my research for road course. They are available from Canton, Aviaid, etc. but I read about and talked to a couple of the dry sump companies and more specifically about location of pickups. 99% of the pans out there have pick ups on one side it seems (passenger) so I'll pick up that research again later but I'll likely get one done with the pickups right where I want them.

Seems to me in your case you could just buy a used pan from a NASCAR team.

They race Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Road America and Montreal.

From what I've been told the low pan isn't an issue when engineered properly. a big piece of the puzzle is properly designed tank that is large enough to eliminate the aeration created when there isn't oil at the pickup.

Remember in a dry sump the oil/air is pulled out of the pan and sent to a remote tank. As long as the tank pickup point provides oil and not an oil/air mix your motor is getting the proper lube it needs.

I'm not saying the pickup location in the pan aren't important. I'm just saying they aren't important from the same perspective as in a wet sump.

At least that is how I understand it. But I'm only an assembler so I'm always open to enlightenment. :lol: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Seems to me in your case you could just buy a used pan from a NASCAR team.

They race Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Road America and Montreal.

From what I've been told the low pan isn't an issue when engineered properly. a big piece of the puzzle is properly designed tank that is large enough to eliminate the aeration created when there isn't oil at the pickup.

Remember in a dry sump the oil/air is pulled out of the pan and sent to a remote tank. As long as the tank pickup point provides oil and not an oil/air mix your motor is getting the proper lube it needs.

I'm not saying the pickup location in the pan aren't important. I'm just saying they aren't important from the same perspective as in a wet sump.

At least that is how I understand it. But I'm only an assembler so I'm always open to enlightenment. :lol: :thumbsup:

Yeah the take off Nascar pans are what I was looking at. They are all deep. 6" or deeper. That ain't workin with my clearance. I found some killer pans for great prices but just wasn't ready for it.

Yes the pickup points is an apples to oranges vs wet sump, but when I explained my goals/intentions with the car I was told a typical Nascar pan with pickup locations was not ideal, but they probably would be okay. I would want to be more than "probably okay". :D I was going to just have them add or relocate one of the pickups. Not a huge cost and still way cheaper than buying a brand new custom pan at over $1000.

Those damn assemblers... always meddling in others' bidness. :rofl:

[FETorino]

Three things from the assembler bleachers

1 I wouldn't look for the "typical" NASCAR pan. The road race Nascar pans are probably different than the roundy round ones. I know they use different styles of radiators for each type of track I'm sure the pans are specific. :D

2 Even for my FE the pans are typically cheaper than $1k unless you are going for a billet pan. :question:

3 This thread is trending too much towards you build so I imagine DB Cooper and crew will be jumping in soon to get us back off topic. :rofl:

[Track Junky]

This is the pan that I am using. 7 quart, 5 trap doors, bung for oil temp sender.


http://pitstopusa.com/images/M14593491.jpg (http://pitstopusa.com/images/F14593491.jpg)

[intocarss]

3 This thread is trending too much towards you build so I imagine DB Cooper and crew will be jumping in soon to get us back off topic. :rofl:Are you needing back up??

[sixnina]

This is the pan that I am using. 7 quart, 4 trap doors, bung for oil temps.


http://pitstopusa.com/images/M14593491.jpg (http://pitstopusa.com/images/F14593491.jpg)

Gaetano you got a part # on that pan if you don't mind.
Shane

[Matt@BOS]

Yeah it makes sense the added 3 quarts would help temps. It was either dry sump or accusump for me, but I wanted this modding session to be easy as possible. Dry sump presented many more changes ($$).

So you don't think you'll do any track days? Ahem, Buttonwillow! I mean, a session is a session and they are long and while my previous motor was not worth a lot of money, my new motor is and yours is big $ so I think it's cheap protection. It's pretty easy to plumb in and only a few hundred bucks for everything.

Oh, oil cooler was already done last year. Decent sized Earl's piece with -10An lines and the Mocal 180* thermostat.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3717.jpg

Meh, I'll probably take my Ford out to Buttonwillow. We'll see. I would want to add an oil cooler and power steering cooler, as well as an accusump, which I'd want to keep out of the engine bay. I'd also need clear bra, which I never replaced after the accident, and that stuff isn't cheap either.

Question. Now, I come from LS land, so I'm not that familiar with good ol' small blocks, but the 180 degree thermostat seems low to me. What were your oil temps getting to when your old engine was still in good working condition?

Matt

[Track Junky]

Gaetano you got a part # on that pan if you don't mind.
Shane

CAN15-260

[Flash68]

Three things from the assembler bleachers

1 I wouldn't look for the "typical" NASCAR pan. The road race Nascar pans are probably different than the roundy round ones. I know they use different styles of radiators for each type of track I'm sure the pans are specific. :D

2 Even for my FE the pans are typically cheaper than $1k unless you are going for a billet pan. :question:

3 This thread is trending too much towards you build so I imagine DB Cooper and crew will be jumping in soon to get us back off topic. :rofl:

Just can't let it go can ya. :D

1 - I looked for countless pans. I bet I am second to none in hours spent scouring for good used parts. Seriously, I am a legend in that department. :lol:

2 - The nice used pans I was finding for $250-350 sell for over $1000 new. They are amazing quality. Here is an example of one made by Weiss and it is top notch (verified by their competitor who I called. LOL)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/A43006.jpg

3 - No comment. :willy:

This is the pan that I am using. 7 quart, 5 trap doors, bung for oil temp sender.


http://pitstopusa.com/images/M14593491.jpg (http://pitstopusa.com/images/F14593491.jpg)

I'm still very surprised you don't run at least Accusump with your motor and your usage.

Meh, I'll probably take my Ford out to Buttonwillow. We'll see. I would want to add an oil cooler and power steering cooler, as well as an accusump, which I'd want to keep out of the engine bay. I'd also need clear bra, which I never replaced after the accident, and that stuff isn't cheap either.

Question. Now, I come from LS land, so I'm not that familiar with good ol' small blocks, but the 180 degree thermostat seems low to me. What were your oil temps getting to when your old engine was still in good working condition?

Matt

Don't get me started (again) on bringing that new Mustang to BW.

I'm debating where to mount my Accusump right now. I like where Weld's is mounted but I don't like oil and fuel in the passenger compartment. Still I'm considering it, or possibly right behind the rear firewall.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4033.jpg

I read about LS guys on the Corvette Forum running their oil temps up to near 300 all the time, ideally not sustained, but still most of them don't seem to care too much.

When I am up to temp on the street and track, water is 180-190 and oil is 220-240. Right where it should be ideally and where it is for Gaetano and that's who I mimicked my system after. He has the same Stat and a Setrab cooler.

I at first was worried this system did not perform well enough but after the motor revealed serious detonation that seems to explain the issue. I was not having temp issues until about 3rd lap of the 2 sessions that went bad. Very bad. :willy:

[Track Junky]

Accusump location is a no brainer. Bottom back side of radiator support area. Thats where mine would go. Most likely fab something to attach Accusump straps/clamps to subframe cross member.

[Flash68]

Accusump location is a no brainer. Bottom back side of radiator support area. Thats where mine would go. Most likely fab something to attach Accusump straps/clamps to subframe cross member.

Would go or will go?

That's one location I'm considering, but I have a PS steering cooler there (not a huge deal to relocate) and more importantly is more weight in the area I don't want more weight.

Chris Robinson has his mounted in front of his fuel tank on his 69.

[intocarss]

On Bob's 69 drag Camaro. I made a alum bracket and mounted it in front of the radiator up as high as I could go. I did have to mod the hood latch bracket some. I also put an on/off lever inline... off while going up to staging then turn it on just before you pull out to the track

[Vegas69]

I'm with you, I don't like oil or fuel in the passenger compartment. Please tell Greg to fix those clamps. :D

[Flash68]

Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

Piston and decking will handle that.

My understanding is the type of dish design will address this. I plan to talk to Mike about this in more depth this week.

If you dig back far enough you'll find some info about a case of CI phobia and infatuation with small carbs :rofl:


For comparison sake, my carb has bigger "vitals" than a HP950. :unibrow:

On Bob's 69 drag Camaro. I made a alum bracket and mounted it in front of the radiator up as high as I could go. I did have to mod the hood latch bracket some. I also put an on/off lever inline... off while going up to staging then turn it on just before you pull out to the track

I didn't realize drag cars ran Accusumps.

I'm with you, I don't like oil or fuel in the passenger compartment. Please tell Greg to fix those clamps. :D

Finally something we agree on. :lol:

What issue with the clamps -- that they're not aligned?

[fleetus macmullitz]

They ain't playin! :cool:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/A43006.jpg

[GregWeld]

I'm with you, I don't like oil or fuel in the passenger compartment. Please tell Greg to fix those clamps. :D




You guys have to get over the whole "I want to impress my sister" kind of car builds --- mine is a real race car.... clamps schamps... they just have to be functional.... they ain't about being pretty! :rofl:

Actually -- you might laugh - but when you see the little ole Mutt... you'd be shocked at how nicely it's built COMPARED TO the other crap that shows up! I gots me a bonafide show car compared to some of this other junk on the track.

[Flash68]

You guys have to get over the whole "I want to impress my sister" kind of car builds --- mine is a real race car.... clamps schamps... they just have to be functional.... they ain't about being pretty! :rofl:

Actually -- you might laugh - but when you see the little ole Mutt... you'd be shocked at how nicely it's built COMPARED TO the other crap that shows up! I gots me a bonafide show car compared to some of this other junk on the track.

Mine will have the same clamps. No billet clamps or Ring Brothers hinges on this car. :D

Greg's car is actually a big factor of my "blueprint" moving forward and the 30 pics of it I took last weekend will provide good reference for a few things I'm doing. It is without a doubt a superbly executed track car, and as you said, looks better and cleaner than a ton of PT cars I've seen.

Greg, be careful... you might get invited to Optima with that "street" car if you put license plates on it (wipers and windows not necessary) :lol:

[Matt@BOS]

Mine will have the same clamps. No billet clamps Ring Brothers hinges on this car. :D

Greg's car is actually a big factor of my "blueprint" moving forward and the 30 pics of it I took last weekend will provide good reference for a few things I'm doing. It is without a doubt a superbly executed track car, and as you said, looks better and cleaner than a ton of PT cars I've seen.

Greg, be careful... you might get invited to Optima with that "street" car if you put license plates on it (wipers and windows not necessary) :lol:

That little Muttstang wouldn't stand a chance at Optima. Those red and blue fittings would cost him too many points in the style portion :rofl:

Oh and I doubt he has tire warmers. You need those to be competitive these days.

Matt

[FETorino]

Just can't let it go can ya. :D

1 - I looked for countless pans. I bet I am second to none in hours spent scouring for good used parts. Seriously, I am a legend in that department. :lol:

2 - The nice used pans I was finding for $250-350 sell for over $1000 new. They are amazing quality. Here is an example of one made by Weiss and it is top notch (verified by their competitor who I called. LOL)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/A43006.jpg




:willy:

Just step up to the dry side. :wow:

[Flash68]

That sure is purrty, but I gotta make some concessions and plan ahead here. I already have the accusump so I'm good for now. Buying a house, getting married, and having a motor built all at once is quite a handful right now. :wow:

[GregWeld]

That sure is purrty, but I gotta make some concessions and plan ahead here. I already have the accusump so I'm good for now. Buying a house, getting married, and having a motor built all at once is quite a handful right now. :wow:



Candy ass.

[intocarss]

That sure is purrty, but I gotta make some concessions and plan ahead here. I already have the accusump so I'm good for now. Having a motor built, getting married and buying a house, all at once is quite a handful right now. :wow: Fixed it for ya, get your priorities straight..Congrats on all of the above!!! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Candy ass.

See if I compliment you on that overpriced ****ty thing you bought from Charley again.

Fixed it for ya, get your priorities straight..Congrats on all of the above!!! :thumbsup:

Thanks, and I think I agree with you. :D

[Sieg]

See if I compliment you on that overpriced ****ty thing you bought from Charley again.
You'll understand where he's coming from when you add kids to your current situation. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Buying a house, getting married, and having a motor built all at once is quite a handful right now. :wow:

Agreed , that is a lot to handle all at once.

May I suggest an organizer...something European perhaps? :_paranoid

[Flash68]

You'll understand where he's coming from when you add kids to your current situation. :D

and that's why I'm trying to spend every extra dollar on the car now. :lol:

[Flash68]

Agreed , that is a lot to handle all at once.

May I suggest an organizer...something European perhaps? :_paranoid

:D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/tumblr_ldc7zq6FmK1qza49co1_500.png

[fleetus macmullitz]

:D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/tumblr_ldc7zq6FmK1qza49co1_500.png

:lol:


Probably wasn't 'hot' though.

[Sieg]

and that's why I'm trying to spend every extra dollar on the car now. :lol:

Keep the hammer down brother! :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Keep the hammer down brother! :thumbsup:



Yep -- 'Cause in a couple years he'll be pushing one of these down the driveway instead of a race car.... :rofl:


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/51j63Pr2oTL_SL500_AA300_.jpg

[Sieg]

Don't forget the first 3 years and all those plastic must haves with a 6-12 month shelf life. :D

Recaro Sport Seat only $224
http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/Zc37XSdCB0obGhQgDnlziiEUMepg13Ai55ORzdWY4812TU2s91 qe5VvxOQo3MhFUWcq6JUsUyrcWWpiia2YhJSQ2LdroPgaIc8V6 W1UqmE1De2Abjwba6oPBhw_6iyxiFwW5wpqd7s7LtQD4_Xswnf jdoUQebi9RPlayRqVR66_b5Q

[Flash68]

I'll take the Recaro thank you! :lol: :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Don't forget the first 3 years and all those plastic must haves with a 6-12 month shelf life. :D

Recaro Sport Seat only $224
http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/public/Zc37XSdCB0obGhQgDnlziiEUMepg13Ai55ORzdWY4812TU2s91 qe5VvxOQo3MhFUWcq6JUsUyrcWWpiia2YhJSQ2LdroPgaIc8V6 W1UqmE1De2Abjwba6oPBhw_6iyxiFwW5wpqd7s7LtQD4_Xswnf jdoUQebi9RPlayRqVR66_b5Q


Isn't that the drivers seat out of Greg's Mustang? :rofl:

[Flash68]

Isn't that the drivers seat out of Greg's Mustang? :rofl:

Zing! :rofl: :rofl:

[fleetus macmullitz]

This is the first thread my shrink goes to when he pops in here.

[Track Junky]

Isn't that the drivers seat out of Greg's Mustang? :rofl:

Wait till Greg gets a hold of you :rofl:

[Bucketlist2012]

Isn't that the drivers seat out of Greg's Mustang? :rofl:

Ouch.....Even I puckered up on that one....

You guys are brutal....funny as Hell, but brutal...

:cheers:

[Flash68]

Okay, we are gonna take a small detour and address my project, how's that? :lol:

Got 2 boxes today. :unibrow:

Was looking hard for a CV products pump in the low pressure range (most of the Nascar take-offs are high pressure - 8, 9 or 10psi+ and require a regulator). But hard to find and a near $400 price tag shied me away.

Found an "open box" ebay special Holley Billet 170 pump for $165 (new $275). And I only accepted its billet nature because it won't be very visible. :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4048.jpg

My other ebay purchase... the Wilson ported 2 piece Edelbrock 2922 top and GM base for 18* heads. RPM range 5000-8500. :lol:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4051.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4053.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4063.jpg

Crank is supposed to be here tmrw. :woot:

[Track Junky]

Never seen those billet pumps before.....nice score fancy pants :lol:

The intake sounds a little out of range to me....sure thats where you want your motor to live?

[Ron in SoCal]

Never seen those billet pumps before.....nice score fancy pants :lol:

The intake sounds a little out of range to me....sure thats where you want your motor to live?

...aaand, flip that bad boy intake over so we can see the porting?

[Flash68]

Never seen those billet pumps before.....nice score fancy pants :lol:

The intake sounds a little out of range to me....sure thats where you want your motor to live?

The pump is supposedly worth .5 seconds at Thunderhill. That's what sealed the deal. :woot:

Mike assures me he will cam this motor to the heads and induction system and make the torque we want. :thumbsup:

...aaand, flip that bad boy intake over so we can see the porting?

Dammit Ron I already boxed it back up. :willy:

[Track Junky]

The pump is supposedly worth .5 seconds at Thunderhill. That's what sealed the deal. :woot:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Seriously? Who sold you that line?

[Flash68]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Seriously? Who sold you that line?

I'm selling it to myself. :D

[intocarss]

:thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

I'm selling it to myself. :D

Alright bro, I'll buy that for a dollar....hurry up and finish that thing.....times-a-waistin' :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Alright bro, I'll buy that for a dollar....hurry up and finish that thing.....times-a-waistin' :thumbsup:
The kid's in 4th gear, be careful what you wish for........you might get a stinky can of whoop a$$. :D

[GregWeld]

Just ship me my seat back!

[Track Junky]

Dave and I will be doing quite a few track days together as soon as he's done. Maybe he can teach me a thing or two. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

:thumbsup:

That's a fast avatar Jer.

Just ship me my seat back!

Would look great in the 32.... :_paranoid

Dave and I will be doing quite a few track days together as soon as he's done. Maybe he can teach me a thing or two. :thumbsup:

That's pretty modest bro.... I'm the underdog here with your experience both in general and at these tracks! Really lookin fwd to it! :woot:

[Flash68]

...aaand, flip that bad boy intake over so we can see the porting?

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-2.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-17.jpg

[intocarss]

^^^^

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/pigwink.gif

[makoshark]

Okay, we are gonna take a small detour and address my project, how's that? :lol:

Got 2 boxes today. :unibrow:

Was looking hard for a CV products pump in the low pressure range (most of the Nascar take-offs are high pressure - 8, 9 or 10psi+ and require a regulator). But hard to find and a near $400 price tag shied me away.

Found an "open box" ebay special Holley Billet 170 pump for $165 (new $275). And I only accepted its billet nature because it won't be very visible. :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4048.jpg

My other ebay purchase... the Wilson ported 2 piece Edelbrock 2922 top and GM base for 18* heads. RPM range 5000-8500. :lol:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4051.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4053.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4063.jpg

Crank is supposed to be here tmrw. :woot:

Looks like your build is going to have some really nice parts in it. Way to scratch and dig for the deals. Also, shame on you to try and keep this on topic:willy:

[fleetus macmullitz]

DG,

Likely you're the hardest workin parts acquisition hobbyist in the northern atmosphere. :cool:

[Ron in SoCal]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-2.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-17.jpg

That's what I'm talkin' about....:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

That's what I'm talkin' about....:thumbsup:
Textured for your pleasure too! :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Looks like your build is going to have some really nice parts in it. Way to scratch and dig for the deals. Also, shame on you to try and keep this on topic:willy:

Thanks dude. And yeah what was I thinking trying to get this train wreck back on track????

DG,

Likely you're the hardest workin parts acquisition hobbyist in the northern atmosphere. :cool:

I thoroughly enjoy that hunt for the elusive killer value deal. It is an exercise that is both rewarding and borne out of necessity. :captain:

Headed to Watson today to drop stuff off. Some block machine work is done supposedly so I'll take a peak. Also have some questions for Mike on .... stuff.

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks dude. And yeah what was I thinking trying to get this train wreck back on track????



I thoroughly enjoy that hunt for the elusive killer value deal. It is an exercise that is both rewarding and borne out of necessity. :captain:

Headed to Watson today to drop stuff off. Some block machine work is done supposedly so I'll take a pic. Also have some questions for Mike on .... stuff.

Fixed it for ya!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks dude. And yeah what was I thinking trying to get this train wreck back on track????


Exactly. Why miss all the thrills, chills and pure profit from a good ole fashioned train wreck? :D

KUt87BGKMaY

[tones2SS]

Nice stuff Dave. Getting exciting in here.
Keep us posted.

[Flash68]

Had a great hour with Mike B the shop today. Man I learn a ton there.

Updates:

-Roller bearing 50mm cam tunnel is bored
-Deck was not square (shocker) so they are squaring it up. He said he'll likely bring it down from 9.0225 where it sits now just to 9.000 and call it good.
-Diamond hone up next
-His assessment of the block is that he likes its water jackets, its priority oiling and he compares it so far to the Little M, so I liked hearing that

We knew my Jesel shaft rockers would need some attention (new adjusters, maybe some rollers) but we did discover the intake is a 1.7 ratio (not 1.6 as advertised) and that's a good thing for cam design. 1.6 is exhaust as sold.

We talked cams in detail and he is a big believe in these oversized base circle cams, either 50 or 55mm for SBC. He showed me a shelf Comp Cams Mopar cam with standard base circle next to one he designed and had cut with a monster base circle (don't know Mopar sizes) but the difference was staggering. And what he said that was really staggering was the larger one made 60 more hp on the dyno. No other changes. Same cam specs. Wow. I had no idea on that stuff. So I'm sold on the added expense (a few hundred bucks) for the larger base circle on mine. Done deal.

He also would not let me take a pic of the 2 Mopar cams side by side. Trade secrets. :unibrow:

I learned the "C" or Cleveland firing order is the same as the LS firing order (also called a 4 cylinder swap) and it's easier on the internals while making more power. He said that's why all or most of new modern motors use that firing order. He uses the 4-7 swap on tunnel ram setups.

Mike is so cool and old school.. he has the same credit card machine from 1989 he said. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! It is huge like the phone Gordon Gekko was holding on the beach in Wall Street. :lol:

Put the crank on the scale. Mike said weight don't mean nothin til it registers on his scale. :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4094.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4095.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4098.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4099.jpg

[Track Junky]

Nice....so whats left on the list as far as parts?

[Vegas69]

I love the engine building stuff. It's my favorite part of the build process. I've offered to sweep floors around Jason's place a few times.:lol:

[coolwelder62]

Is that one of those LS block's Cast in South America.It doesn't look familiar.:willy: :willy:

[89 RS]

Thanks for sharing Dave, good stuff!

[Flash68]

Nice....so whats left on the list as far as parts?

Carb will be here later this week. And Mike has to order cam and pistons. Then it's just the little things like bearings, accessories, carb spacer, and installation. They are super busy at the shop so now sure how quickly it will get done, but at least my parts search is not any hold up now with the crank being here. I think he said cam and pistons take 1-2 weeks max once ordered.

I'll be bringing my pan, oil pump, timing chain, distributor, and damper over there soon and hopefully they all pass his inspection.

I love the engine building stuff. It's my favorite part of the build process. I've offered to sweep floors around Jason's place a few times.:lol:

Yeah man this is a blast. I think I'm gonna make a stop weekly at least to Mike's even if I don't have anything to say or pick up or drop off. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Is that one of those LS block's Cast in South America.It doesn't look familiar.:willy: :willy:

Heck it might be. Now you got me all freaked out Scott! :willy:

Thanks for sharing Dave, good stuff!

I got nothin to teach people, so I'll just pass on the good stuff I'm getting from Mike. :lateral:

[coolwelder62]

I think I saw them using the very style motor in the new Fast
5 movie.:lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

Roller bearing cam tunnel?

Diamond hone?

Nice... :lol: :cheers:

[badmatt]

whooooooooo!

Parts look awesome Dave!

[skatinjay27]

I think I saw them using the very style motor in the new Fast
5 movie.:lol:

naw that thing was used in american graffiti :lol:

[sixnina]

Good info Dave, keep it coming. That motor will be done in no time and then you'll be joining richie for some late nights on bmf!:thumbsup:

Shane

[Chad-1stGen]

Had a great hour with Mike B the shop today. Man I learn a ton there.

We talked cams in detail and he is a big believe in these oversized base circle cams, either 50 or 55mm for SBC. He showed me a shelf Comp Cams Mopar cam with standard base circle next to one he designed and had cut with a monster base circle (don't know Mopar sizes) but the difference was staggering. And what he said that was really staggering was the larger one made 60 more hp on the dyno. No other changes. Same cam specs.

I don't get this? How does changing the base but not changing the cam specs gain 60 hp? Was he saying that just having the large roller bearing surface frees up that much HP? Any engine experts able to explain this?

[Flash68]

I don't get this? How does changing the base but not changing the cam specs gain 60 hp? Was he saying that just having the large roller bearing surface frees up that much HP? Any engine experts able to explain this?

There was greater detail in the convo, but remember it's hard for me to keep up with Mike all day. :D

Something about there's more to it than that (because I asked the same question as you). Something about the lobe shapes and the events happening at an extra 6 or 8 degrees of duration? Something like that? I probably regurgitated it all wrong.

Any smarty pants engine guys care to join in? :lateral:

The motor in question was a super stocker he built. He does a lot of those.

[intocarss]

I don't get this? How does changing the base but not changing the cam specs gain 60 hp? Was he saying that just having the large roller bearing surface frees up that much HP? Any engine experts able to explain this? WIth the 50-55mm cams, the bigger base circle and bigger rollers on the bigger lifters make a wider radius and smoother contact on the lifter, it is also supported better with the nasty pressure angles that are going on.. Simply it's a smoother transition,, So YES it frees up power so to say....plus the 50-55mm cam has a much stiffer core so cam timing stays better front to rear due to less twist on the cam. I'm no cam expert so I hope this makes sense cuz I suck at explanations :willy:




I remembered Dave wasn't able to get a pic
So here is a eather a 50 or 55mm SBC cam (not sure which I just grabbed it off the shelf for a pic)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/IMG_5527.jpg

And here is a I believe a regular SBC cam or could be a BBC (again I just grabbed it real quick for a pic) BUT YOU'LL GET THE IDEA

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/IMG_5531.jpg

THE MOUSE THAT ROARED,,,THE RATS THAT CRY

[Flash68]

Thanks Jerry. That does sound much like what Mike was talking about. :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

I don't get this? How does changing the base but not changing the cam specs gain 60 hp? Was he saying that just having the large roller bearing surface frees up that much HP? Any engine experts able to explain this?

For the same reason not all cams with advertised duration of say 290 deg are the same. The ramps are very different and hence the actual timing events. That's why a starting point for cam comparisons is to use the measurements of duration at .050 of lift.

Mopars used to have an advantage in the flat tappet cam world because of their larger base circle cams.

Roller lifters allow for more extreme timing events and a larger base circle allows you to have even more aggressive ramps without the lifter binding. Optimizing the opening events is what cam timing is all about and the larger base circle gives you the ability to do so. Cam lobes get closer to square. Open to full lift quicker and close from full lift quicker.

[Sieg]

Any smarty pants engine guys care to join in? :lateral:

For the same reason not all cams with advertised duration of say 290 deg are the same. The ramps are very different and hence the actual timing events. That's why a starting point for cam comparisons is to use the measurements of duration at .050 of lift.

Mopars used to have an advantage in the flat tappet cam world because of their larger base circle cams.

Roller lifters allow for more extreme timing events and a larger base circle allows you to have even more aggressive ramps without the lifter binding. Optimizing the opening events is what cam timing is all about and the larger base circle gives you the ability to do so. Cam lobes get closer to square. Open to full lift quicker and close from full lift quicker.

Pretty smarty pants for a Ford guy IMHO. :D

[Vegas69]

This is real race car stuff. How agressive can you get with that opening ramp. To put it in Laymans terms, how fast can you get the valve near max lift and keep it there during duration? Just like many other things in this hobby, it's a snowball effect. :unibrow:

[DFRESH]

And keep the valve train stable with those aggressive ramp profiles. I think Mr. Moderator is using shaft rockers--correct? This new motor is going to be sick. D, will you leave the exhaust the same? Side output?

D

[Flash68]

This is real race car stuff. How agressive can you get with that opening ramp. To put it in Laymans terms, how fast can you get the valve near max lift and keep it there during duration? Just like many other things in this hobby, it's a snowball effect. :unibrow:

This is what I tried to convey about the lobes staying near max lift (or targeted lift -- I remember Mike sayin 200-600 is the range he cares about, even though we will likely have around .700 net lift.) for an extra 6-8 degrees of duration.

And keep the valve train stable with those aggressive ramp profiles. I think Mr. Moderator is using shaft rockers--correct? This new motor is going to be sick. D, will you leave the exhaust the same? Side output?

D

Yes, Jesel shaft rockers. Mike says they are pretty old but he can "update" them to be okay to use.

I plan to run same current exhaust. Driver side exit only, and that is key for running Thunderhill where the sound meter is on the passenger side. I hope I can pass. I'll bring the Spintech setup as a backup. Hopefully the new headers will come close to where the old ones ended. I also thought that by running the motor on the dyno with no muffs it would be near reality to my real exhaust on the street/track with only the inserts I have for a few db reduction.

[Bucketlist2012]

I like a moderator that likes it loud...

If he was running Midas Turbo mufflers, I would be concerned...

[fleetus macmullitz]

Agreed. :cool:

RbqG6mIg0Ko

[Chad-1stGen]

Agreed. :cool:

RbqG6mIg0Ko

Best part of that vid is the sound of the car pulling back into the driveway IMO. Can't wait to hear your new motor Dave!

[Flash68]

I like a moderator that likes it loud...

If he was running Midas Turbo mufflers, I would be concerned...

:thumbsup: :rockin:

Best part of that vid is the sound of the car pulling back into the driveway IMO. Can't wait to hear your new motor Dave!

Thanks dude. I kinda miss that quiet exhaust too sometimes. Luckily the boom tube is reversible. :cheers:

[intocarss]

Pulling in the driveway is my favorite part too. I kept forgetting that there is a jackhammer in the back ground and everytime I watched, I kept thinking DAMN he grabbed a bearing & got rod knock on that last pass

[Sieg]

Maybe the jackhammer was a subliminal message of that motor's destiny. :_paranoid

[badmatt]

oh dave!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/badmatt/IMG00754-20120507-1835.jpg

/ hijack

[GregWeld]

Luckily the boom tube is reversible. :cheers:


Like a vasectomy....

[intocarss]

Well????????????????

[Flash68]

Like a vasectomy....

Well????????????????

No, I am not scheduled to have a vasectomy. Thanks for asking. :lol:


I am close to figuring some changes out.... I don't wanna be a flip flopper so let me get my ducks in a row. :D

My Lat G friends will be the first to know! :lateral:

[FETorino]

No, I am not scheduled to have a vasectomy. Thanks for asking. :lol:


I am close to figuring some changes out.... I don't wanna be a flip flopper so let me get my ducks in a row. :D

My Lat G friends will be the first to know! :lateral:

Changes? Unless your swapping to a CHI headed windsor stroker there shouldn't be anything you are afraid to post for us to criticize you about. :D

Good luck with the vasectomy it shouldn't hurt much....

[intocarss]

I am close to figuring some changes out.... I don't wanna be a Ford flopper so let me get my ducks in a row. My Lat G friends will be the first to know! :lateral: So now your writing nursery rhymes?

[Track Junky]

He's a poet and he didn't even know it :D

[intocarss]

He's a poet and he didn't even know it :D

Apparently so are you :bow:

[Flash68]

Changes? Unless your swapping to a CHI headed windsor stroker

Thankfully, I don't know what that is :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I am close to figuring some changes out.... I don't wanna be a flip flopper


Thanks... thanks a lot. :mad:



:lol:

[FETorino]

Thankfully, I don't know what that is :lol:

Just a little SBF street mill.:unibrow:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/CHI427.gif

[Flash68]

Thanks... thanks a lot. :mad:



:lol:

:willy: :lateral:

Just a little SBF street mill.:unibrow:



Actually I think I've seen that dyno somewhere. Love it. But I didn't want that long stroke.

Gaetano's dyno should look like this since he has 427 cubes. :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Ok if I flip flop later so be it. :lol: As of now this bastardized Ford looking Dodge colored POS Chevy is gonna experience some big changes and it's just sooner than I had anticipated. Sometimes you just can't control timing and some parts landed in my lap that I just could not pass up. Good thing the guy takes layaway. Thanks Larry if you're reading! :D

My current subframe with all the goodies is pretty much sold so I guess it's in motion now. :rolleyes:

Here's the goods:

Jake's Rod Shop Apex C6 subframe
6 way Bilsteins front and rear (might upgrade to double adj)
1.25" splined sway bar
Jake's torque arm

Of course this triggers lots of other discussions and decisions to make. I think I'll end up with a Moser or Speedway Floater (using my existing Wilwood brakes front/rear) and a dry sump has entered back into the discussion again.

What is completely up in the air at this point is timeline. It is possible I miss Buttonwillow in September, but if that's the way it has to be for this car to get real serious and solid and safe, then so be it. I wanna get things solid and right with this car before I really start going fast. I haven't been 100% comfortable with my stock sub, 12 bolt with c clips, and a few other things.

I might not have a car at BW in Sept, but I will damn sure be there regardless. :thumbsup:

Not in my possession yet but deposit paid and I'll pick it up in the next month or two. Ok lemme have it. :lolhit:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-6.jpg

[FETorino]

Ok if I flip flop later so be it. :lol: As of now this bastardized Ford looking Dodge colored POS Chevy is gonna experience some big changes and it's just sooner than I had anticipated. Sometimes you just can't control timing and some parts landed in my lap that I just could not pass up. Good thing the guy takes layaway. Thanks Larry if you're reading! :D

My current subframe with all the goodies is pretty much sold so I guess it's in motion now. :rolleyes:

Here's the goods:

Jake's Rod Shop Apex C6 subframe
6 way Bilsteins front and rear (might upgrade to double adj)
1.25" splined sway bar
Jake's torque arm

Of course this triggers lots of other discussions and decisions to make. I think I'll end up with a Moser or Speedway Floater (using my existing Wilwood brakes front/rear) and a dry sump has entered back into the discussion again.

What is completely up in the air at this point is timeline. It is possible I miss Buttonwillow in September, but if that's the way it has to be for this car to get real serious and solid and safe, then so be it. I wanna get things solid and right with this car before I really start going fast. I haven't been 100% comfortable with my stock sub, 12 bolt with c clips, and a few other things.

I might not have a car at BW in Sept, but I will damn sure be there regardless. :thumbsup:

Not in my possession yet but deposit paid and I'll pick it up in the next month or two. Ok lemme have it. :lolhit:



I like it. :thumbsup: I was afraid you were going to say you bought an LS. :rofl: The torque arm should be a great rear set up for the track. SPend the money you saved on the adjustable shocks and a floater. Moser is the cheaper option.

[Flash68]

I like it. :thumbsup: I was afraid you were going to say you bought an LS. :rofl: The torque arm should be a great rear set up for the track. SPend the money you saved on the adjustable shocks and a floater. Moser is the cheaper option.

LS? You'd see me put a Ford motor in this car before that.

The shocks are adjustable and custom valved by Jake. Just not double adjustable. We'll see. He says the singles are more than enough for 95% of the people. Am I in the 5%? I'd like to be. :lol:

Yeah he recommended Moser also. Probably what I'll do.

[intocarss]

Ok lemme have it

You're looking at the BIG PICTURE. Smart move & congrats!! Then again.... what do I know ;) :cheers:

[FETorino]

LS? You'd see me put a Ford motor in this car before that.

.

That CHI Windsor is calling your name. :D Be the first on your block to run a 427 Ford in a Camaro. :rofl:

[Flash68]

Ok lemme have it

You're looking at the BIG PICTURE. Smart move & congrats!! Then again.... what do I know ;) :cheers:

Thanks. That's exactly what I'm trying to do, Jer. What's a few extra months to get it right?

[Flash68]

That CHI Windsor is calling your name. :D Be the first on your block to run a 427 Ford in a Camaro. :rofl:

Surprisingly... I don't hate the idea. :lol:

But a guy on here already ran a Ford 302 twin turbo in his 1st gen Camaro a couple years ago. He put in a LS though recently.

[Track Junky]

I was wondering how long you were going to wait before letting the cat out of the bag.
The cool thing about you getting Jakes set up is between you, Todd, Ron, and Chad we will have 4 different manufacturers subframes at Buttonwillow. Maybe not all 4 this year but hopefully next.
Thats some exciting chit there!! :thumbsup:

The sad thing is that when I kick your azzes at Buttonwillow your going to be wondering WTF :lol:

[intocarss]

, Jer. What's a few extra months to get it right? THAT MANY MORE WINS UNDER YOUR BELT :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

What's a few extra months to get it right?

I'd be going through some serious withdrawls. :willy:

[Track Junky]

GCTTFMF's :hail:

GCTTFMF'S :cheers:

[intocarss]

The sad thing is that when I kick your azzes at Buttonwillow your going to be wondering WTF :lol:

GCTTFMF's :hail:

[Flash68]

The sad thing is that when I kick your azzes at Buttonwillow your going to be wondering WTF :lol:

See Jerry's wise comment below. :lol:

THAT MANY MORE WINS UNDER YOUR BELT :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I'd be going through some serious withdrawls. :willy:

I'm trying to be conservative. Maybe I will make BW. I reserve the right to change my mind and change direction every 10 minutes. :D

[intocarss]

I'm trying to be conservative. Maybe I will make BW. I reserve the right to change my mind and change direction every 10 minutes. :D Thats only if it's ok with your wife :_paranoid

JUST DO IT DAVE!!!

[Flash68]

I wanna say that I spent several days and conversations with Jake about this setup before committing and got comfortable with the setup. A deal isn't a good deal if it's a bad fit for what you're doing. Duh.

What I like is Jake has been running this stuff in his own AIX 2nd Camaro (bad ass BTW) for 4 years and does quite well with it. That means something to me. And he's committed to help support me 100% on installation, tuning and guidance. Thanks Jake if you're reading. :thumbsup:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/38471850001_large.jpg

[Track Junky]

I'm trying to be conservative. Maybe I will make BW. I reserve the right to change my mind and change direction every 10 minutes. :D

You sound like my wife :lol:

If I were you I'd throw the subframe in after Buttonwillow if you dont think you'll have time to get it in before that. I have a feeling that once you see all of us out on the track your going to wish you had your car.

[Track Junky]

I wanna say that I spent several days and conversations with Jake about this setup before committing and got comfortable with the setup. A deal isn't a good deal if it's a bad fit for what you're doing. Duh.

What I like is Jake has been running this stuff in his own AIX 2nd Camaro (bad ass BTW) for 4 years and does quite well with it. That means something to me. And he's committed to help support me 100% on installation, tuning and guidance. Thanks Jake if you're reading. :thumbsup:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/38471850001_large.jpg

I NEED a poster of this car!!

[intocarss]

You sound like my wife :lol:

I have a feeling that once you see all of us out on the track your going to wish you had your car. And once he's done making THESE changes ...everyones gona wish he DIDN'T :rofl:

[intocarss]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/38471850001_large.jpg[/QUOTE]


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/southpark-cum.jpg

[Track Junky]

And once he's done making THESE changes ...everyones gona wish he DIDN'T :rofl:

I'll make him wish he didn't :rofl:

[Track Junky]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/38471850001_large.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/southpark-cum.jpg[/quote]

:lol:

[Flash68]

You sound like my wife :lol:

:lol:



If I were you I'd throw the subframe in after Buttonwillow if you dont think you'll have time to get it in before that. I have a feeling that once you see all of us out on the track your going to wish you had your car.

Thought about it, but that's doing some shiat twice. Motor is already out. It's still possible putting all this together for BW. A long shot but possible. :lol:

I NEED a poster of this car!!

I'll bet Carter Hickman has a hi res file.

And once he's done making THESE changes ...everyones gona wish he DIDN'T :rofl:

Jerry you might be president of my fan club. :thumbsup:

Or are you just sucking up to a new moderator? :D

[intocarss]

[QUOTE=Flash68;413961
Jerry you might be president of my fan club. :thumbsup:

Or are you just sucking up to a new moderator? :D[/QUOTE]

It's all about leaf springs and SBC'S FTW

[Flash68]

It's all about leaf springs and SBC'S FTW

I'm kinda bummed about ditching the leaf springs to be honest, but it's the natural evolution. :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

I'm kinda bummed about ditching the leaf springs to be honest, but it's the natural evolution. :thumbsup: Ok I'm back to sucking up to a new moderator then........ Anyone seen Spiffav8 :hail:

[Track Junky]

It's all about leaf springs and SBC'S FTW

True that Cuz. :cheers: Somebody has to stay true to the roots.
Old School Soldiers :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

True that Cuz. :cheers: Somebody has to stay true to the roots.
Old School Soldiers :thumbsup: :woot:

[Flash68]

True that Cuz. :cheers: Somebody has to stay true to the roots.
Old School Soldiers :thumbsup:

You got a watts link so you cheat.

[intocarss]

You got a watts link so you cheat.

Now you sound like that BBC Vegas guy :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Track Junky]

I'm kinda bummed about ditching the leaf springs to be honest, but it's the natural evolution. :thumbsup:

Definitely been the modern day trend and for good reason. Adjustability is a key element in being fast.
In all seriousness I imagine maybe someday I'll be heading down the same road. Last year at Buttonwillow I really couldn't give any of those guy's an honest run for the money. Once I'm convinced that I need to drop another bundle to stay competitive then I'll make the change.

[Flash68]

Now you sound like that BBC Vegas guy :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That was the idea! :D

[intocarss]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-6.jpg

You're getting a bike rack too?? SWEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!

Is that frame here in La?

[Track Junky]

You got a watts link so you cheat.

:lol: They ran panhards back in the day.:unibrow:

[Track Junky]

You're getting a bike rack too?? SWEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!

Hey Dave, work that rack into the deal....I'll throw it on my car for Buttonwillow and use my sno-board as a wing. :lol:

[intocarss]

:lol: They ran panhards back in the day.:unibrow:

It's OK Tracky. Next they'll be bitching about no dash pad ;)

[Flash68]

Definitely been the modern day trend and for good reason. Adjustability is a key element in being fast.
In all seriousness I imagine maybe someday I'll be heading down the same road. Last year at Buttonwillow I really couldn't give any of those guy's an honest run for the money. Once I'm convinced that I need to drop another bundle to stay competitive then I'll make the change.

I hear ya brother... I woulda stayed leaf for awhile had this not fallen into my lap. Good things happen to good people? :_paranoid

You're getting a bike rack too?? SWEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!

Is that frame here in La?

I was wondering who might say that. :D

Nope it's up on the good end of California. :unibrow:

:lol: They ran panhards back in the day.:unibrow:

Touche. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

It's OK Tracky. Next they'll be bitching about no dash pad ;)

dont forget about the carpet :unibrow:

[Flash68]

dont forget about the carpet :unibrow:

I thought you were gonna call our carpet guy and get that handled Mr Race Car. :unibrow:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Man, so many posts in this thread tonite.

Trying to catch leaves me no time to send tweets to myself.

Oh btw...Jake's for the win!

:lol:

[intocarss]

I thought you were gonna call our carpet guy and get that handled Mr Race Car. :unibrow: Look who's calling the kettle black now. This is all awesome news Dave, can't wait to see it finished!

Hopefully one day I'll get my POS done and there will be another "dog" to play with

[Track Junky]

I thought you were gonna call our carpet guy and get that handled Mr Race Car. :unibrow:

Easy there NASCAR, cut me some slack, I haven't found a carpet with enough horse power yet :lol:

[Flash68]

Man, so many posts in this thread tonite.

Trying to catch leaves me no time to send tweets to myself.

Oh btw...Jake's for the win!

:lol:

:lol: I'm not sure how you manage the 14 email accounts you actively use. :rofl:

Look who's calling the kettle black now. This is all awesome news Dave, can't wait to see it finished!

Hopefully one day I'll get my POS done and there will be another "dog" to play with

Yeah I know. But I have carpet and a dash pad!

I hope you get out there with us too Jer. Good having you convert from that dark side. ;)

[fleetus macmullitz]

:lol: I'm not sure how you manage the 14 email accounts you actively use. :rofl:


:lol:

Your intel is giving me credit for 3 extras...I think. :_paranoid

[Flash68]

Easy there NASCAR, cut me some slack, I haven't found a carpet with enough horse power yet :lol:

Are you done with your Dr Frankenstein Skunkworks subframe yet? :D

:lol:

Your intel is giving me credit for 3 extras...I think. :_paranoid

I will have to 'moderate' my source. :lateral:

[Track Junky]

Are you done with your Dr Frankenstein Skunkworks subframe yet? :D

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:I'll let you know in September

[califconstruct]

Nice set up!.. Its gonna be sweeeet!

Ok if I flip flop later so be it. :lol: As of now this bastardized Ford looking Dodge colored POS Chevy is gonna experience some big changes and it's just sooner than I had anticipated. Sometimes you just can't control timing and some parts landed in my lap that I just could not pass up. Good thing the guy takes layaway. Thanks Larry if you're reading! :D

My current subframe with all the goodies is pretty much sold so I guess it's in motion now. :rolleyes:

Here's the goods:

Jake's Rod Shop Apex C6 subframe
6 way Bilsteins front and rear (might upgrade to double adj)
1.25" splined sway bar
Jake's torque arm

Of course this triggers lots of other discussions and decisions to make. I think I'll end up with a Moser or Speedway Floater (using my existing Wilwood brakes front/rear) and a dry sump has entered back into the discussion again.

What is completely up in the air at this point is timeline. It is possible I miss Buttonwillow in September, but if that's the way it has to be for this car to get real serious and solid and safe, then so be it. I wanna get things solid and right with this car before I really start going fast. I haven't been 100% comfortable with my stock sub, 12 bolt with c clips, and a few other things.

I might not have a car at BW in Sept, but I will damn sure be there regardless. :thumbsup:

Not in my possession yet but deposit paid and I'll pick it up in the next month or two. Ok lemme have it. :lolhit:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-6.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

I wanna say that I spent several days and conversations with Jake about this setup before committing and got comfortable with the setup. A deal isn't a good deal if it's a bad fit for what you're doing. Duh.

What I like is Jake has been running this stuff in his own AIX 2nd Camaro (bad ass BTW) for 4 years and does quite well with it. That means something to me. And he's committed to help support me 100% on installation, tuning and guidance. Thanks Jake if you're reading. :thumbsup:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/38471850001_large.jpg

Da*n I watch a movie w the GF on a Sat night and missed all the action!

Great decision Dave-O. Jake is one of the few, if not the only one, that has all the specs at his fingertips and will ratlle them off for his customers. He can tell you Roll center, IC, COG, Ackerman and Scrub. He uses his shiat with the big boys and it works.

I can't wait to see this go together! And no changing your mind Sir (Miss? :lol: )...:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Can I get the cliff notes?:unibrow: From a glance my impression is that somebody is squealing like a school girl over some parts he doesn't even own. :D

Man, you are going to be pissed when you go through all that trouble and still get whipped by a big block car with a sub woofer and A/C.

[intocarss]

Man, you are going to be pissed when you go through all that trouble and still get whipped by a big block car with a sub woofer and A/C.

That should be your sig line :lol:

[sik68]

Great another PT formula 1 car. :P At least tell me you're going to keep the chainsaw towhook.

Get the good shocks!

[Flash68]

Nice set up!.. Its gonna be sweeeet!

Thanks Art. I'll call you today or tmrw :thumbsup:

Da*n I watch a movie w the GF on a Sat night and missed all the action!

Great decision Dave-O. Jake is one of the few, if not the only one, that has all the specs at his fingertips and will ratlle them off for his customers. He can tell you Roll center, IC, COG, Ackerman and Scrub. He uses his shiat with the big boys and it works.

I can't wait to see this go together! And no changing your mind Sir (Miss? :lol: )...:cheers:

Yep I really liked that. Full disclosure is never a bad thing.

Miss? :lol:

Can I get the cliff notes?:unibrow: From a glance my impression is that somebody is squealing like a school girl over some parts he doesn't even own. :D

Man, you are going to be pissed when you go through all that trouble and still get whipped by a big block car with a sub woofer and A/C.

Well that was strategic actually. Now that I've posted it there's no turning back. I've committed to it with a deposit and I've pretty much sold the subframe I have. Not really a choice at this point.

Hey when did Stielow add a big block and subwoofer?

Great another PT formula 1 car. :P At least tell me you're going to keep the chainsaw towhook.

Get the good shocks!

Ha. Yeah the chainsaw must stay. I hope it still will mount easily where it's at on the new sub.

Yeah I hear ya on the shocks.

How was the ALMS?

[intocarss]

Hey when did Stielow add a big block and subwoofer?






http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/kelso_burn.gif

[mdprovee]

WOW Dave, gone for a day or two, and 5 pages to catch up with. Congrats on the suspension. Taking a great step forward.

[carbuff]

Here's the goods:

Jake's Rod Shop Apex C6 subframe
6 way Bilsteins front and rear (might upgrade to double adj)
1.25" splined sway bar
Jake's torque arm

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-6.jpg

Hey, that looks familiar! Jake does some nice work!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/71%20Firebird/IMG_1277.jpg

[Sieg]

What does Jake use for spindles?

[carbuff]

What does Jake use for spindles?

It's all C5/C6 stuff. In my case, I also purchased his DOM tubing custom control arms. They maintain the C5/C6 pickup points and also use a set of, oh crap, can't remember the name, but an aftermarket set of bushings.

You can see more of the pictures of my setup here if you are interested:

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/71%20Firebird/

Unfortunately, I don't have anything assembled and running yet, but definitely looking forward to doing so!

[Flash68]

WOW Dave, gone for a day or two, and 5 pages to catch up with. Congrats on the suspension. Taking a great step forward.

Thanks Mike. It truly never ends. It's just a matter of how much and how fast apparently.

Hey, that looks familiar! Jake does some nice work!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/71%20Firebird/IMG_1277.jpg

It's all C5/C6 stuff. In my case, I also purchased his DOM tubing custom control arms. They maintain the C5/C6 pickup points and also use a set of, oh crap, can't remember the name, but an aftermarket set of bushings.

You can see more of the pictures of my setup here if you are interested:

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/71%20Firebird/

Unfortunately, I don't have anything assembled and running yet, but definitely looking forward to doing so!

Hey thanks now I remember seeing you had his stuff. Glad you posted it. I'll check out the pics. What's your ETA for getting on the road/track?

[carbuff]

Hey thanks now I remember seeing you had his stuff. Glad you posted it. I'll check out the pics. What's your ETA for getting on the road/track?

Good question. In my current living situation, I don't have a garage to work on it, so all of my great parts are sitting at the moment. I've been trying to find a space which I could rent to move it all into and work on the car, but again, no luck...

Hopefully that is going to change soon! It's tough looking at the pretty pieces and not being able to do anything with them. :(

[intocarss]

The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli!!!!!!

[Chad-1stGen]

Damn Dave I was looking forward to having a shot at beating you with an unfair parts advantage. Way to bring things more even again.

At least I will be a member of the AC and subwoofer club :)

[Flash68]

Good question. In my current living situation, I don't have a garage to work on it, so all of my great parts are sitting at the moment. I've been trying to find a space which I could rent to move it all into and work on the car, but again, no luck...

Hopefully that is going to change soon! It's tough looking at the pretty pieces and not being able to do anything with them. :(

Well we will have a race to see who gets back on the road first. Mine could be anywhere from 2.5 to 8 months. (Skip knows where that line is derived from :D)

The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli!!!!!!

That line never gets old. :thumbsup:

Damn Dave I was looking forward to having a shot at beating you with an unfair parts advantage. Way to bring things more even again.

At least I will be a member of the AC and subwoofer club :)

We are basically gonna have totally different cars so it's anyone's ballgame. :unibrow:

I don't appreciate your AC and subwoofer remark. :lol:

[FETorino]

Well we will have a race to see who gets back on the road first. Mine could be anywhere from 2.5 to 8 months. (Skip knows where that line is derived from :D)

:


Spill the beans. Why 8 months?
BOSCO

[Flash68]

Spill the beans. Why 8 months?
BOSCO

Give me your code, man! :D

Oh I dunno. No new news really. Just life, marriage, house, and budget.... constant juggling. :yes:

In other news, dropped off my carb today and looked pretty good to the guys. Mike said my block needed some work (shocker). The bore ranged from 4.1490 to 4.1495 and now is all good at 4.1554 across the board. He said depending on which piston company he'll order from (CP or Diamond) will determine the size of the piston because they apparently take their measurements from different points on the piston. Interesting.

Next I need to go grab all my accessories and hopefully reusable parts from the 377 and take them up there. Hope to make it to Rich's shop Saturday.

[89 RS]

Oh I dunno. No new news really. Just life, marriage, house, and budget.... constant juggling. :yes:



Geez Dave, you act like you're gonna be busy...:D

New subframe now too, dang man, you're gonna have a new ride with the new motor and everything else...sweet. :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Give me your code, man! :D

Oh I dunno. No new news really. Just life, marriage, house, and budget.... constant juggling. :yes:

.

Don't forget 8 hrs a day on the box :rofl: :rofl:

[tones2SS]

Wow Dave, this car is evolving more and more by the day. Alright buddy! :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

i feel a vertigo coming on!:lol:

[Flash68]

Geez Dave, you act like you're gonna be busy...:D

New subframe now too, dang man, you're gonna have a new ride with the new motor and everything else...sweet. :thumbsup:

Thanks Corey. I dig my own holes to crawl into so I can't really complain. :D

Don't forget 8 hrs a day on the box :rofl: :rofl:

I don't get it. Did I not the movie with that line it? :_paranoid

Wow Dave, this car is evolving more and more by the day. Alright buddy! :thumbsup:

Tell me about it. See below!

i feel a vertigo coming on!:lol:

:lol:

[sixnina]

Next I need to go grab all my accessories and hopefully reusable parts from the 377 and take them up there. Hope to make it to Rich's shop Saturday.

Dave, what do you hope to reuse? Maybe if your over there for a while I'd be able to stop by in the afternoon and meet you in person. :cheers:
Shane

[Flash68]

Dave, what do you hope to reuse? Maybe if your over there for a while I'd be able to stop by in the afternoon and meet you in person. :cheers:
Shane

Oil pan and pump (dry sump still considering), distributor, timing gear, damper, water pump, alt, and I think that's it. Hopefully most it is in good usable shape for Watson approval.

Yeah if we are there def stop by.... I heard you stopped by the other day and brought the requisite 6 pack for Rich. Atta boy! :D :cheers:

[Vegas69]

Dude, put a new oil pump and timing chain in that thing. :faint:

[Flash68]

Dude, put a new oil pump and timing chain in that thing. :faint:

Is 1 year old really old for an oil pump? I didn't think so? I know it's not something to screw around with though. ?

And I said timing gear.... if the gears look good we will reuse (this was Mike's call), but yes a new chain will be purchased. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Dude, put a new oil pump and timing chain in that thing. :faint:

X2, no brainer there.....and when you throw out the old pump be sure to hold on to the pick up. :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

New engine to me means new oil pump and new timing set.(Gears & Chain) Failures by either leads to huge expense vs. the low cost to replace them.

How hot did you get that engine. :D

[FETorino]

Geeze just dry sump it. :D

Here's a good source for a proper pump. He's almost next door.

http://stores.precisionoilpumps.com/-strse-SB-Chevy/Categories.bok

[Flash68]

New engine to me means new oil pump and new timing set.(Gears & Chain) Failures by either leads to huge expense vs. the low cost to replace them.

How hot did you get that engine. :D

Keep getting me on that overheat job eh? :lol:

Yeah I think you're right and Mike will probably say that once he sees my junk parts. :D

Geeze just dry sump it. :D

Here's a good source for a proper pump. He's almost next door.

http://stores.precisionoilpumps.com/-strse-SB-Chevy/Categories.bok

Man I guess I haven't priced pumps in awhile... yeah that's cheap. Ok you guys convinced me. That wasn't so hard was it. Thanks :woot:

[DFRESH]

Ok if I flip flop later so be it. :lol: As of now this bastardized Ford looking Dodge colored POS Chevy is gonna experience some big changes and it's just sooner than I had anticipated. Sometimes you just can't control timing and some parts landed in my lap that I just could not pass up. Good thing the guy takes layaway. Thanks Larry if you're reading! :D

My current subframe with all the goodies is pretty much sold so I guess it's in motion now. :rolleyes:

Here's the goods:

Jake's Rod Shop Apex C6 subframe
6 way Bilsteins front and rear (might upgrade to double adj)
1.25" splined sway bar
Jake's torque arm

Of course this triggers lots of other discussions and decisions to make. I think I'll end up with a Moser or Speedway Floater (using my existing Wilwood brakes front/rear) and a dry sump has entered back into the discussion again.

What is completely up in the air at this point is timeline. It is possible I miss Buttonwillow in September, but if that's the way it has to be for this car to get real serious and solid and safe, then so be it. I wanna get things solid and right with this car before I really start going fast. I haven't been 100% comfortable with my stock sub, 12 bolt with c clips, and a few other things.

I might not have a car at BW in Sept, but I will damn sure be there regardless. :thumbsup:

Not in my possession yet but deposit paid and I'll pick it up in the next month or two. Ok lemme have it. :lolhit:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo1-6.jpg

Copy cat.

[FETorino]

Copy cat.

Yep another Camaro. :D

[Flash68]

Copy cat.

How can I be a copy cat when I'm actually going to install the stuff? :wow:

You owe me a phone call, Jerky. :)

[Vegas69]

Boooooya:lol:

[Flash68]

Yep another Camaro. :D

Sorry, I wanted to be fast not different. :rofl:

Boooooya:lol:

You knew it was coming. :unibrow:

[FETorino]

Sorry, I wanted to be fast not different. :rofl:

:

But what if you end up neither? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Flash68]

But what if you end up neither? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Good point. Dangit. :rofl:

[FETorino]

Good point. Dangit. :rofl:

My first PT style car was a 69 Firebird so trust me I'm with you guys on the first gen fixation. :D

And more than a little jealous of the chassis and track R&D and availability of parts. :(

[Flash68]

And more than a little jealous of the chassis and track R&D and availability of parts. :(

And this is why you're overcompensating with the cubes. Good luck with that. :rofl:

[intocarss]

New pump!! New chain old gears? If Mike says OK then go for it!!

We don't like to because the chain meshes (sp) with the gears and well you get it

[Flash68]

New pump!! New chain old gears? If Mike says OK then go for it!!

We don't like to because the chain meshes (sp) with the gears and well you get it

Yeah I think ya'all are right. Why take risks to save a couple hundred on this deal... dumb. What was I thinking? :willy:

[FETorino]

And this is why you're overcompensating with the cubes. Good luck with that. :rofl:

"You’re never beaten until you admit it." :D

[intocarss]

Sorry, I wanted to be fast not different. :rofl:





But what if you end up neither? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's IMPOSSIBLE!! FAILURE is NOT an option in a Chevy :woot:





Yup I learned to "multi quote" HAHAHAHAHAHAA :willy:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Copy cat.



You owe me a phone call, Jerky. :)


Really? You think that's how it works? :rolleyes:

Your name gets put in the hat like everyone elses.


:lol:

[sixnina]

Oil pan and pump (dry sump still considering), distributor, timing gear, damper, water pump, alt, and I think that's it. Hopefully most it is in good usable shape for Watson approval.

Yeah if we are there def stop by.... I heard you stopped by the other day and brought the requisite 6 pack for Rich. Atta boy! :D :cheers:

Sounds like a plan, we will see if I get outta work by then. I needed some info on something on my car and that six pack got him talking.:rofl: Smokey is gonna be a bad ass ride too. Well hope to see you soon

Shane

[Flash68]

So I was over at Watson Racing and we installed the old used oil pump and got my magnesium bellhousing cleaned up and ready for install later.... :_paranoid

Kidding of course. What was I thinking? Young rookie that I am... :lol:

No real car news but life news that certainly affects the car. In contract on another house and we think this is the one. And it's got a nice oversized 2 car garage so I'll be able to park my hot rod under my own roof for the first time.. ever. :thumbsup:

Rich and I already have a plan for BW in September.... I'll be there... and driving... something. :cool:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Rich and I already have a plan for BW in September.... I'll be there... and driving... something. :cool:

May I make a suggestion?

p5Bpa2PZLxY

:D

[Flash68]

Look at you trying to project your Euro influences on me. :lol:

I need to go pay Alex a visit and see if he'll let me borrow that car. :woot:

That'd be one heck of an expensive track car!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Look at you trying to project your Euro influences on me. :lol:

I need to go pay Alex a visit and see if he'll let me borrow that car. :woot:


:lol:


I hear the tool kit comes in a very nice carrying case. :_paranoid

[Bucketlist2012]

So I was over at Watson Racing and we installed the old used oil pump and got my magnesium bellhousing cleaned up and ready for install later.... :_paranoid

Kidding of course. What was I thinking? Young rookie that I am... :lol:

No real car news but life news that certainly affects the car. In contract on another house and we think this is the one. And it's got a nice oversized 2 car garage so I'll be able to park my hot rod under my own roof for the first time.. ever. :thumbsup:

Rich and I already have a plan for BW in September.... I'll be there... and driving... something. :cool:

Congrats on the house.. Life news...I hear you loud and clear...

I understand what you are talking about.. I am in a pretty nice house and thought I was ready to maybe start on the next phase of my build,Interior and more power, and maybe a new truck, but as you can see from my avatar, my Wife has found her new dream home.. I will be making an offer on it ,in the next few months when it comes on the market.

I won't be upgrading anything on my car for a while..Thank God that I got the work I got done at Steve's shop Before she found this place..Another REO, just like last time, but this one is crazy sweet..

Now I can't blow up my LT-1. She said once we get the house and fix it up, I can work on my car again..haha, with what money ? Not the investment money...That is off limits..

I will be driving something too...An old Pick up truck and a Golf cart.. And a Z/28 with ratty Interior..

[intocarss]

So I was over at Watson Racing and we installed the old used oil pump and got my magnesium bellhousing cleaned up and ready for install later.... :_paranoid

Kidding of course. What was I thinking? Young rookie that I am... :lol:

No real car news but life news that certainly affects the car. In contract on another house and we think this is the one. And it's got a nice oversized 2 car garage so I'll be able to park my hot rod under my own roof for the first time.. ever. :thumbsup:

Rich and I already have a plan for BW in September.... I'll be there... and driving... something. :cool:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Rich and I already have a plan for BW in September.... I'll be there... and driving... something. :cool:

Rental Car. Rental Car! Rent a Mustang. They probably have some blue ones with white stripes, and they're not the fastest cars out there either, so that combo should make you feel right at home :lol:

Matt

[Flash68]

Rental Car. Rental Car! Rent a Mustang. They probably have some blue ones with white stripes, and they're not the fastest cars out there either, so that combo should make you feel right at home :lol:

Matt

:lol: That statement wants me to cancel the contract on this house and spend all my money to get the car done just to make it in Sept. :woot:

It's easy to talk smack when you know I ain't bringin the heavy artillery eh? :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Congrats on the house.. Life news...I hear you loud and clear...

I understand what you are talking about.. I am in a pretty nice house and thought I was ready to maybe start on the next phase of my build,Interior and more power, and maybe a new truck, but as you can see from my avatar, my Wife has found her new dream home.. I will be making an offer on it ,in the next few months when it comes on the market.

I won't be upgrading anything on my car for a while..Thank God that I got the work I got done at Steve's shop Before she found this place..Another REO, just like last time, but this one is crazy sweet..

Now I can't blow up my LT-1. She said once we get the house and fix it up, I can work on my car again..haha, with what money ? Not the investment money...That is off limits..

I will be driving something too...An old Pick up truck and a Golf cart.. And a Z/28 with ratty Interior..

Whoa Mike that avatar is serious. Is that out near your neck of the woods? Your wife likes nice things I guess. :lol:


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jer, you gonna join us at BW in Sept for some pretend racing? :thumbsup:

[Bucketlist2012]

:lol: That statement wants me to cancel the contract on this house and spend all my money to get the car done just to make it in Sept. :woot:

It's easy to talk smack when you know I ain't bringin the heavy artillery eh? :unibrow:

Rent a GT 350 and go shut them all up... Then they will have to explain why a Ford/Rental car just beat them..

Maybe they have a miss in the engine, or the car is not set up right. Or the Tire pressures are off, or they are manstrating..That is when they are Bloated.

And smack talk is easy behind a Computer .. I should know..

[Flash68]

Rent a GT 350 and go shut them all up... Then they will have to explain why a Ford/Rental car just beat them..

Maybe they have a miss in the engine, or the car is not set up right. Or the Tire pressures are off, or they are manstrating..That is when they are Bloated.

And smack talk is easy behind a Computer .. I should know..

Manstrating! :rofl: :rofl:

Mike you're getting darn good at this smack talk thing. :thumbsup:

[Bucketlist2012]

Manstrating! :rofl: :rofl:

Mike you're getting darn good at this smack talk thing. :thumbsup:

Thanks.. I am working on my game..

No the spread is in Redding , where all the family is. Might be a little crazy, but the market is so soft, and I will get ready just in case.

I think she is a little crazy, but I will see what happens.. I created a monster..

So nix any AMG, or Denali truck, ect...No more Z/28 work.. But if the numbers crunch when it comes on the market, who knows..But if they don't crunch, I will have to crush her dream.

We can change my name from Mike the bucket list guy to Merrikat Mike, the " Dream Crusher"..

[Matt@BOS]

:lol: That statement wants me to cancel the contract on this house and spend all my money to get the car done just to make it in Sept. :woot:

It's easy to talk smack when you know I ain't bringin the heavy artillery eh? :unibrow:

Hell, if you're not bringing your Camaro, maybe I'll bring mine now. I'm considering revalving the shocks, but might wait until after September so I've got at least one excuse.

[Flash68]

Hell, if you're not bringing your Camaro, maybe I'll bring mine now. I'm considering revalving the shocks, but might wait until after September so I've got at least one excuse.

We'll be bringing a Camaro... just not a blue and white one. :P

Do whatever you gotta do. Just bring the Purple People Eater out for some fun.

[intocarss]

Jer, you gonna join us at BW in Sept for some pretend racing? :thumbsup:

I'LL BRING MY FASTEST BENCH

[FETorino]

I'LL BRING MY FASTEST BENCH

Bring a two seater so I have a place to sit. :D :rofl:

[intocarss]

Bring a two seater so I have a place to sit. :D :rofl:

YOU GOT IT!! But the way things are going (knock on wood) we may need bleachers!!

[Matt@BOS]

We'll be bringing a Camaro... just not a blue and white one. :P

Do whatever you gotta do. Just bring the Purple People Eater out for some fun.

Likewise, just make sure it is ready. Remember, it is going to need one of these:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0302.jpg
Ahh, who am I kidding. Of course it is going to have one of those.

Matt

[Vegas69]

This reminds me of my remark at RTTC. "Is there any alcohol in this beer?":rofl:

[FETorino]

Whoa Mike that avatar is serious. Is that out near your neck of the woods? Your wife likes nice things I guess. :lol:

:

Yea that hut is more palatial than GWs Toter :rofl: :rofl:

[Flash68]

Likewise, just make sure it is ready. Remember, it is going to need one of these:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0302.jpg
Ahh, who am I kidding. Of course it is going to have one of those.

Matt

You'll all be pleased to know the car we are bringing runs on alcohol...figuratively and literally. :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Look familiar? :unibrow:

[intocarss]

Look familiar? :unibrow:You've kidnaped Gordos top end? :wow:

[Flash68]

Look familiar? :unibrow:

Not really. What is it?!

[Sieg]

Not really. What is it?!
Muffler bearings off Richard Petty's car.

OK, modified Bowtie heads w/ 2.155 intakes w/ beryllium seats and a Bowtie intake.

[Flash68]

Muffler bearings off Richard Petty's car.

OK, modified Bowtie heads w/ 2.155 intakes w/ beryllium seats and a Bowtie intake.

18 or 23*?

[Sieg]

I think they're the 18's, they were on the bench at the Springer's shop today and I thought of you http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/FeelGood.gif

Very light, almost half the weight of my AFR's. Notice the filler ridge in the intake to swirl the flow?

[Flash68]

Muffler bearings off Richard Petty's car.



I missed that. :lol:

I think they're the 18's, they were on the bench at the Springer's shop today and I thought of you http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/FeelGood.gif

Very light, almost half the weight of my AFR's. Notice the filler ridge in the intake to swirl the flow?

Very juicy. I know the decks on the AFR's are thick but twice as heavy surprises me. Guess I don't need to use that mag bellhousing now after all. :D

[Sieg]

They had 50cc chambers..............real FASTCAR stuff!!!

[Flash68]

They had 50cc chambers..............real FASTCAR stuff!!!

I see his Schwartz is bigger than mine (47.5cc) :D

[FETorino]

I see his Schwartz is bigger than mine (47.5cc) :D

Hmm your chambers are so small :D

[Sieg]

Hmm your chambers are so small :DIf he had a bigger piston it would be a moot point. :unibrow:

[FETorino]

If he had a bigger piston it would be a moot point. :unibrow:

His piston tops will look like cereal bowls so he can run on pump gas.:rofl:

[Track Junky]

His piston tops will look like cereal bowls so he can run on pump gas.:rofl:

Dave, be sure to order 9 pistons.......I broke a soup bowl today :lol:

[Sieg]

His piston tops will look like cereal bowls so he can run on pump gas.:rofl:

Pump gas? I thought they only had E85 in his region?

[Track Junky]

Seriously though, pump gas with 47.5 cc combustion chambers......is that even possible?

[Sieg]

Seriously though, pump gas with 48.5 cc combustion chambers......is that even possible?Before Todd calls you out on your math again, they're 47.5cc. :D

[Track Junky]

Thanks, fixed :lolhit:

[Flash68]

I see the knitting club had a meeting tonite while I was away. :rofl:

Don't worry Mike has it all covered... max of -20cc dish and a piston design that he is confident in will net us around 11:1.

The rate I'm going I may say hell with it and say go dome and hit 2 hp per cube.

[GregWeld]

Raise your game you poser... get the POS up around 13.5 and run some 110 like da big dogs do.


She takes 5 to 7 gallons per 20 minute session @ $8.29 a gallon.... :thumbsup:


Therefore I offer some good advice..... Marry a Lawyer!




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/65%20Mustang%20Track%20car/a1782746.jpg

[Flash68]

Raise your game you poser... get the POS up around 13.5 and run some 110 like da big dogs do.


She takes 5 to 7 gallons per 20 minute session @ $8.29 a gallon.... :thumbsup:


Therefore I offer some good advice..... Marry a Lawyer!




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/65%20Mustang%20Track%20car/a1782746.jpg

You seriously might be right..... I gotta go back to the drawing board on this and sharpen my pencil.

I may be muckin up this car build, but I am doing something right shackin up with Susie Q. ;)

[Bucketlist2012]

Always marry a woman with money...

I have plenty of my own, but the way they like to spend it, we need them to be doing well, or they would drain us like a litter of puppies drains their momma...

[Bucketlist2012]

With 9.0 to one's on my 40 year old motor,"so I can run Pump gas ", I feel really inadequate right now...

I need to stay away from the track , unless it is the peanut butter track..

I will just get smoked...

[Flash68]

Always marry a woman with money...

I have plenty of my own, but the way they like to spend it, we need them to be doing well, or they would drain us like a litter of puppies drains their momma...

I got lucky Mike. She is grounded and likes bargains like me and has no expensive vice like I have with this car. :unibrow:

I'm buying the house. I figure she can buy everything else for the next 40 years. :D

With 9.0 to one's on my 40 year old motor,"so I can run Pump gas ", I feel really inadequate right now...

I need to stay away from the track , unless it is the peanut butter track..

I will just get smoked...

Yeah you better step up your game pal after you buy that Shaq Hollywood Moviestar pad up on the Oregon border. :lol:

[Bucketlist2012]

I got lucky Mike. She is grounded and likes bargains like me and has no expensive vice like I have with this car. :unibrow:

I'm buying the house. I figure she can buy everything else for the next 40 years. :D



Yeah you better step up your game pal after you buy that Shaq Hollywood Moviestar pad up on the Oregon border. :lol:

Too Funny...My Wife is as creative as it gets with bringing in the dead presidents.. But I have created a monster..But she understands budgets, and protecting the principal,ect..

Stepping up my game ?? With what.. My Kobe Bryant spread will prevent me from pulling my motor .. so I am stuck as the pace car/lap car

40 years....Hmmmm... At 52, I was going with a 30 year, but maybe at 3.5%, I should go 40. she is younger and i will be gone by then....Hmmm....

[intocarss]

Raise your game you poser... get the POS up around 13.5 and run some 110 like da big dogs do.


She takes 5 to 7 gallons per 20 minute session @ $8.29 a gallon.... :thumbsup:


Therefore I offer some good advice..... Marry a Lawyer!


I like where this is heading Dave LOL!! Go for it :thumbsup:

5-7 gallons in 20 mins?? DAMN that is some good gas mileage!! I used 3-4.5 gallons in 8 seconds

[GregWeld]

I like where this is heading Dave LOL!! Go for it :thumbsup:

5-7 gallons in 20 mins?? DAMN that is some good gas mileage!! I used 3-4.5 gallons in 8 seconds



Yeah! And my motor lasts longer too!


Trust me -- I pit crewed for McCulloch and Whipple summer of 1971.... I've seen some serious fuel burn rates!


Ever clean the pan after a nitro run? I have.... more than once! Oh -- and after I was done with that I could clean the "wubba" off the body panels... and fetch another case of oil from across the pits (on your shoulder)... and then GTFOOTW.... (get the ---- out of the way).:rofl:

[Vegas69]

This thread went from Queer right to Ghey.

[intocarss]

Yeah! And my motor lasts longer too!


Trust me -- I pit crewed for McCulloch and Whipple summer of 1971.... I've seen some serious fuel burn rates!


Ever clean the pan after a nitro run? I have.... more than once! Oh -- and after I was done with that I could clean the "wubba" off the body panels... and fetch another case of oil from across the pits (on your shoulder)... and then GTFOOTW.... (get the ---- out of the way).:rofl: Hey now Greg be nice... my eng lasted 7 seasons and is still going strong ;).. Yes i know about cleaning nitro pans, I used to be the bottom end guy (that just sounds so wrong) and "go-for guy" on Hippo Banner's nitro fuel altered and on Tim Grose's funny car back in the late 80's -90's

[Sieg]

I used to be the bottom end guy (that just sounds so wrong) and "go-for guy"

This thread went from Queer right to Ghey.
Hit the nail on the head with that one. :D

[intocarss]

Hit the nail on the head with that one. :D

Shouldn't you be out in the garage putting your car together?? :_paranoid

[Flash68]

This thread went from Queer right to Ghey.

I'm not sure what's more disturbing... the fact that I considered going to track only high compression or using the word ghey in a post.

That's twilight zone shiat right there.

[Sieg]

Shouldn't you be out in the garage putting your car together?? :_paranoidDon't you have a bottom-end or rear-end you should be working on? :unibrow:

[intocarss]

Don't you have a bottom-end or rear-end you should be working on? :unibrow:

Today I am heading out to the track to work on a Dwarf

Not that there is anything wrong with that

[Matt@BOS]

So, how much power is your race car going to have?

Screw it, before you even respond I'm just going to go ahead and tell you that you should have built an LS. :unibrow:

Matt

[GregWeld]

So, how much power is your race car going to have?

Screw it, before you even respond I'm just going to go ahead and tell you that you should have built an LS. :unibrow:

Matt



OMG --- Why in the world would anyone want to spend half the money for twice the motor?


When you can do it "Todd's Way".:lol:

[Vegas69]

When you can do it "Todd's Way".:lol:

=You mean fast, reliable, and doesn't sound like a 1996 Chevy Beretta with a straight pipe. :rofl:

[Matt@BOS]

=You mean fast, reliable, and doesn't sound like a 1996 Chevy Beretta with a straight pipe. :rofl:

I'm confused. I thought you were going for sarcasm with the fast and reliable part, but then you threw in the word 'doesn't' in front of sound[s] like a 1996 Chevy Baretta with a straight pipe. I'm going to have to google 'Chevy Baretta' but I'm pretty sure your car doesn't sound like one of those things.

Matt

[FETorino]

The rate I'm going I may say hell with it and say go dome and hit 2 hp per cube.

Might as well start tearing out the carpet and installing the real race seats, hans device and fire system.

It's either PT, Lat G or a Race car better decide now.;)

I vote for the cereal bowls. :thumbsup: Your guy can probably make them work.

Todd got it half right BB:rofl: