1968 Camaro "Badmotorfinger" v2.2

[CrossRamRich]

List of things to do before i die:
1. Laguna Seca
2. Still working on number one :lol:

[Flash68]

Laguna isn't bad for a beginner. Just don't go out and try and set the lap record first sesson. :D It's not a high-speed circuit, more technical. You just need to establish your reference points for approach, turn in, and braking. Turn 1, 6, 7, and 8 (the corkscrew) are blind so references are on the horizon or the track surface. I think the max speed I saw cresting T-1 on the KTM RC8R was 145, the MotoGP guys see about 165 which is hard to comprehend. I'd guess you might see 130-135 with your car, the key is scrubbing speed on the downhill approach to the dual apex Andretti hairpin (T-2). It's a great track!

I haven't ran any car track days, I'll assume they're similar to bikes and run three 20 minute sessions on the hour for advanced, intermediate, and beginner skill levels?

Cool man..thanks for the insight... or warnings... LOL :D

I'm not sure on the sessions and different days available... just looking at that now for several tracks.

List of things to do before i die:
1. Laguna Seca
2. Still working on number one :lol:

Haha I like your attitude! :lol:

[scottysimp7]

Flash, check out trackmasters racing. I ran with those guys when I had the sti. Super mellow, and they will put an instructor in the car with you first time. Headsets and all. The info they give you is priceless- cool guys too.

[Track Junky]

A case of the nerves is normal for anyone your first track outing. Hell, even second and third. The thing you should remember is that there are skill level groups that you could choose to be in and in each of those groups most everybody around you feels the same way and are most likely thinking the same thing you are, bringing themselves and their car home in one piece.

I'll be running a time trial event with NASA May 14th at Thunderhill. You should sign up for HPDE 1. That way you can ride with an instructor to learn the line on the track in your car and then you can ride with me and get an idea of what it will feel like wheel to wheel.

Fair warning: Road racing can be addicting and hazardous to your wallet.

[mdprovee]

I think I need to get a dipstick for my oil pan first. :lol:

Hey Dave,

When you have your made let me know, and they can make a second one. I need one too. I have the Champ RR pan too.

[Flash68]

Flash, check out trackmasters racing. I ran with those guys when I had the sti. Super mellow, and they will put an instructor in the car with you first time. Headsets and all. The info they give you is priceless- cool guys too.

Headsets?? Hell, I don't want anyone talking to me while I'm running. It's just me and the road. :lol:

In all seriousness, thanks, I'll check that out! I gotta get down and see your car... and that motor!

A case of the nerves is normal for anyone your first track outing. Hell, even second and third. The thing you should remember is that there are skill level groups that you could choose to be in and in each of those groups most everybody around you feels the same way and are most likely thinking the same thing you are, bringing themselves and their car home in one piece.

I'll be running a time trial event with NASA May 14th at Thunderhill. You should sign up for HPDE 1. That way you can ride with an instructor to learn the line on the track in your car and then you can ride with me and get an idea of what it will feel like wheel to wheel.

Fair warning: Road racing can be addicting and hazardous to your wallet.

Dammit, I'd love to come that weekend but I think that's the weekend of a debaucherous bachelor party I'm going to in Guerneville. We are renting a house for 20 dudes a half block from the brewery. That won't get messy. :_paranoid

I do wanna go for a ride with you on the track soon tho man!

Hey Dave,

When you have your made let me know, and they can make a second one. I need one too. I have the Champ RR pan too.

When we get ours done, I'll take pics and let you know how it looks and works. You running Super Comp headers or ?

[mdprovee]

Yes Dave, I am running Super Comps too. Yeah let me know how it works.

[CrossRamRich]

Crew chief get to go to the bachelor party?:)

[Flash68]

Crew chief get to go to the bachelor party?:)

Shake and Bake! :cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I think I need to get a dipstick for my oil pan first. :lol:

World's foremost dipstick expert and always treated Flash well...I'd buy from him.

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[frojoe]

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Fair warning: Road racing can be addicting and hazardous to your wallet.

Like. Or not?

[Flash68]

World's foremost dipstick expert and always treated Flash well...I'd buy from him.

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Which one's Flash? :lol:

Like the new avatar Skip. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Which one's Flash? :lol:



The one acting like an adult.

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:lol:

[Flash68]

Almost a month since an update from me. That's a first I think. :P

So I saw on another forum recently there was a local photography student working on his masters at SF Academy of Art and was looking for various types of cars to shoot for his senior thesis. Being more of a Euro/Porsche/etc forum, he got lots of Porsches volunteering. I offered to be his muscle car guy and we met up about a week ago and toured some semi rural roads behind my office in the east bay. He is pretty talented for a student I thought. Curious to know what some pro's like Rupp or McGaffin would think, but either way thought I'd post some of his and my faves.

Disclaimer: the last one with me "posing" is something he asked me to do, as well as all his past subjects, as he was in part trying to profile the owners of the cars as well. :captain:

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[scottysimp7]

Sweet! I really dig the photo while driving. Did he have someone driving another car? Lookin good holmes

[Flash68]

Sweet! I really dig the photo while driving. Did he have someone driving another car? Lookin good holmes

Thanks bro! It's actually a photoshopped still shot where he hooks up this rig with a 15 foot pole deal hanging off the side. It was a home fabbed deal by a friend of his. Worked really well and was sturdy.

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[uk68327]

Great photos, I see you could not resist doing a donut on one of the pics :unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Sweet..... Except the one with some DB in a helmet... or was it a hellmut..

[jy211]

first pic almost makes the car look like a model :thumbsup:

[torino420]

Very cool photos Dave, car looks sick! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Thanks guys... except you Greg! :lateral:

[Ron in SoCal]

Poseur...! :lol:

Pics look great Dave :thumbsup:

[awr68]

Great Pics Dave! Looks like a fun day! I see ya held back on wearing the brightly colored shoes.........:P

[skatinjay27]

awesome shots dave!!!!
car looks super bad azz and sits perfect! wish i could have saw it in person at rttc...
but why the hell would you let him profile you as some macho tough guy (actually it could be todd!! haha) it would have help with his project to show that your a jolly frisco boy who digs macho muscle cars!:P

[Ron in SoCal]

^ "Jolly Frisco Boy"

ahahahahahaha! :lol:

[Flash68]

AJ - you wanna fight!? :lol:

Hey - Mr Macho Todd is the one who went to the gym in the Castro district of SF when he visited... if he hasn't told you that story yet. He has some explaining to do... :lol:

[BANKO]

I thought "The Stig" never showed his face.....you just blew the mystique :-)

Where are the hooning pics?

[Flash68]

I thought "The Stig" never showed his face.....you just blew the mystique :-)

Where are the hooning pics?

Thanks Josh.

Well, I don't really think you could identify me from that helmet pic. :_paranoid

Had to look up the word "hooning" to be honest.... that was a new one for me. Not much shenanigans on the street for me anymore as I have been saving almost all of it for the track! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Very nice Dave. Car looks great, and mean too!:thumbsup:

[Sandbagger]

On page 28 in Chevy HP there is a Camaro that looks an auful lot like this one .:unibrow:

[Flash68]

On page 28 in Chevy HP there is a Camaro that looks an auful lot like this one .:unibrow:

I can't remember if I still subscribe to CHP... LOL... I'll have to take a look. Thanks for the tip. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Had to look up the word "hooning" to be honest....


It's just like spooning - and living in San Francisco you should be all too familiar with that... :D

[Flash68]

It's just like spooning - and living in San Francisco you should be all too familiar with that... :D

I am really starting to anticipate my planned move to the east bay in 2012 because of you. :D

[GregWeld]

I am really starting to anticipate my planned move to the east bay in 2012 because of you. :D

Good -- I can stay at your house when I go to Pleasanton... it will save me huge bucks over buying something in Napa Valley. :unibrow:

[Flash68]

Good -- I can stay at your house when I go to Pleasanton... it will save me huge bucks over buying something in Napa Valley. :unibrow:

Yeah you can stay there.... one night per year... and that CamEro wine is required cover charge. :D

My requirements are minimum 2 car garage with extra shop space for those tools I don't know how to use and a 1/2 acre plus. The rest of the property can be a sh!t box. :lol:

[KlasSic68]

:thumbsup: Sweet photo shoot. I really like the mocked up driving shot!
Cant wait to see you two in action at Good Guys

[Sandbagger]

I can't remember if I still subscribe to CHP... LOL... I'll have to take a look. Thanks for the tip. :thumbsup:

Had to fight off some old lady for the last copy .
You might recognize a few other guys in that mag ...

[Flash68]

:thumbsup: Sweet photo shoot. I really like the mocked up driving shot!
Cant wait to see you two in action at Good Guys

Hey Justin, will look for ya at Pleasanton! You bringin your truck?

Had to fight off some old lady for the last copy .
You might recognize a few other guys in that mag ...

Atta boy. I am sure I can guess some of the heavy hitters that will also get some coverage. :thumbsup:

[KlasSic68]

Hey Justin, will look for ya at Pleasanton! You bringin your truck?

Still not decided if I am bringing the truck or not... probably decide at the last minute

[The WidowMaker]

looks good buddy. the car looks really good!

[waterwalker]

looks good

[Vegas69]

:D :lol: Not bad for a Ford paint job and corvette wheels...

[Flash68]

:D :lol: Not bad for a Ford paint job and corvette wheels...

Don't forget the Dodge Viper paint code to make it a trifecta. :D

[coolwelder62]

Flash,Very cool photo's.Car look's Awesome.:thumbsup: Scott M.

[67zo6Camaro]

The last two pictures in that set are awsome.

Looking forward to seeing you guys at the track this coming weekend.

Brett

[Flash68]

Thanks fellas... can't wait for Willow Springs this weekend. My first real open track day! :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Don't forget to charge your GoPro batteries...:unibrow:

(that's not a knock on anybody :lol: )

[Flash68]

Don't forget to charge your GoPro batteries...:unibrow:

(that's not a knock on anybody :lol: )

:lol: Oh I already have my plan to charge it between sessions. :thumbsup:

[Tom.A]

Those are great pics. You got a steal on that car.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Might wanna take advantage of this weekend by making a slight mod to your voicemail greeting...

'Can't take your call cuz I'm busy racing at Willow Springs, and yes, you should be very impressed!'



:D

[Flash68]

Those are great pics. You got a steal on that car.

Thanks Tom. It was a great project to pickup and fortunately for me it was exactly the direction my interest has been going, even though I did not realize it at the time of purchase.

Might wanna take advantage of this weekend by making a slight mod to your voicemail greeting...

'Can't take your call cuz I'm busy racing at Willow Springs, and yes, you should be very impressed!'



:D

LOL. Awesome. I may actually do just that. :lol:

[Rybar]

Dave, the photos look great. I like the motion shot, side shot and your stig pose shot too :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Dave, the photos look great. I like the motion shot, side shot and your stig pose shot too :thumbsup:

Thanks brother!


So, prep for Willow Springs this Sunday is almost done:

DSE power steering cooler
Stainless coolant reservoir (ebay special!)
M-21 shift linkage stops adjusted (troublesome at RTTC2)
Champ dipstick installed -- (Todd, you impressed? :lol: )
Adjusted camber from -1.7* to -2.2*

Hoping to get temporary oil temp gauge installed to get a baseline reading on oil temps this weekend. Weather forecast is low 60s as of now so should be nice.

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Yeah it's kinda dirty -- this ain't no show car! :lateral:

[Vegas69]

I thought every protouring car required being put on jackstands to check the oil. :unibrow: Looks good, have fun!

[tones2SS]

Have fun Dave.:thumbsup:

[CrossRamRich]

"I am a semi-professional racercar driver and, an ametuer tattoo artist!"..... New 4 inch air cleaner, 18 psi radiator cap, thats gotta be what, 40 horse? :yes:

[Track Junky]

Have fun out there Dave. Are you trailering or driving? Is weather going to hold up down south? I heard we might see some rain at Thunderhill.

Could be a good time to learn how to drift :thumbsup:, lol. Just kidding.

[Flash68]

"I am a semi-professional racercar driver and, an ametuer tattoo artist!"..... New 4 inch air cleaner, 18 psi radiator cap, thats gotta be what, 40 horse? :yes:

I knew that 4" cowl hood would come in handy someday! :thumbsup:

Have fun out there Dave. Are you trailering or driving? Is weather going to hold up down south? I heard we might see some rain at Thunderhill.

Could be a good time to learn how to drift :thumbsup:, lol. Just kidding.

Thanks G... yes we are trailering. Weather looks great as of right now down there... 62* and sunny on Sunday. :thumbsup:

I did the Marina AutoX in the rain already... I'm all done with drifting! :lol:

Good luck at T-Hill. :woot:

[Ron in SoCal]

Have a great time Dave. Wish I was out there w you! Looking forward to the vid...:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Have a great time Dave. Wish I was out there w you! Looking forward to the vid...:thumbsup:

Thanks Ron... I came down with a nasty head cold the past couple days so I'm trying to clean myself up for Sunday. :mad:

[CrossRamRich]

Locked and loaded! Shake n bake! Badstinkyfinger on trailer ready to rock! Ace crewman Frankie Jud joining the pit crew. This is gonna be stellar! :willy:

[Vegas69]

Go get em ladies....:thumbsup:

[CrossRamRich]

We reconfigured the car in the shape of a rabbit and its gonna poop out little rabbits on the track, and throw magic **** out the window!:unibrow:

[Vegas69]

Abrakadabrah...brah...:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

If the driver can also make some smooth moves

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that lil '68 should do well.

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[Flash68]

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[CrossRamRich]

That just happened!:yes: Slingshot........engaged. :lol:

[DFRESH]

Help me Tom Cruise

[Flash68]

Help me Tom Cruise

Help ME... my pit crew are at the Rosamond Bikini Bar tonite.... :unibrow:

[89 RS]

Help ME... my pit crew are at the Rosamond Bikini Bar tonite.... :unibrow:

Work hard and play harder...:lol:

BTW Dave, those pictures looked really good. Good luck tomorrow.

[CrossRamRich]

We are back! What a great time. Great driving Dave. Haulin butt out there. Shake and bake! :cheers:

[DFRESH]

We are back! What a great time. Great driving Dave. Haulin butt out there. Shake and bake! :cheers:

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Wooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[73CPCAMARO]

Dave,

I love the photos of your car. Your Camaro looks amazing in those shots (and in person). Hope to see you soon at Marina.

Brian

[67zo6Camaro]

You guys did an outstanding job at the track. The only way Dave was able to loose that additional 5 sec. was with your pit crew help. :thumbsup: If he sneeze you handed him a tissue...Now that's the way to run a track day. No worries for the driver.

In addition you have one big heart Bro... thanks for letting my son use the Snap on Tools jacket for the ride home. Way to look out for the little guy.

Brett

We are back! What a great time. Great driving Dave. Haulin butt out there. Shake and bake! :cheers:

[67zo6Camaro]

Dave, as I have said before, in a half jokeing manner - but way more serious now, you are my new benchmark. Your car is bitchen in the looks department and performance. And you have proven you have driving skills. So now I will be practicing more and guaging my progress based on your times.:hail:

Right on man, great hanging with you at the track and I look forward to seeing you at P town.

Brett

[CrossRamRich]

Thanks Brett. You have a great kid, he was content, even in the terrible weather. We had a blast.:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Work hard and play harder...:lol:

BTW Dave, those pictures looked really good. Good luck tomorrow.

Thanks Corey.

Dave,

I love the photos of your car. Your Camaro looks amazing in those shots (and in person). Hope to see you soon at Marina.

Brian

Brian, thanks man. Can't wait to see your world-beater Camaro. That thing is just diabolical. :cool:

I will see you soon somewhere!

Dave, as I have said before, in a half jokeing manner - but way more serious now, you are my new benchmark. Your car is bitchen in the looks department and performance. And you have proven you have driving skills. So now I will be practicing more and guaging my progress based on your times.:hail:

Right on man, great hanging with you at the track and I look forward to seeing you at P town.

Brett

Brett -- thanks bro. We had a blast hanging with you and were glad you came up. Was a fun little pro touring group we had there. And I appreciate those words from a guy with track experience. I look forward to our friendly competition in the near future! :thumbsup:

I will now take this opportunity to show off the sickest tow hook I have yet to come across, one that Brett custom fabbed for me prior to this event. After it was installed, we were looking at it and saying how it looks like a chainsaw... no more than 5 seconds later a fellow driver walked over and said "man, that thing is a chainsaw" :lol: So it is now aptly named the "Chainsaw" tow hook, by Fab53. :cheers:

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More on that tow look later.... :_paranoid

[Flash68]

This is a little wordy, but since RTTC2 had been my previous best all time experience in a car, that has now been trumped I am here to report. Had an absolute killer time at Streets of Willow Springs on Sunday meeting up with some of the Socal boys who are willing to beat on their cars a bit. Chad, Brett, Mike & I were the 4 Camaros there to represent our team amidst the sea of Bimmers, EVOs, and S2000 type cars. Brett wasn't allowed to run because his rollbar isn't done yet, but his killer Camaro got tons of attention.

My team includes my ace crew chief Rich Bermea of Road Touring Customs who has become a damn good friend of mine in the past year. These races and trips wouldn't be half as fun without this dude. Everyone who meets him loves the guy, naturally. Thanks buddy! :cheers: For this event he brought along his sidekick Frankie Jud, another skilled wrench and all around great dude. Plus he brought a 2nd GoPro to put on the outside of the car. :unibrow:

If you haven't ever stayed a night in Rosamond, CA......... well, you made a good decision. :lol: Quite the place. While I headed back to the Bates Motel after dinner to nurse the end of a head cold, the crew headed out to lovely establish known as the Rosamund Bikini Bar.... they were back in about 20 minutes. :lol:

Let's get to the racing. 1st Session - decided to jump up into Intermediate group since I've done RTTC and a couple autoX events, and that was a good group to start in with the point by deal and to get accustomed. Took it nice and easy and started learning the course while watching the gauges and checking things over. We added an cheapo oil temp gauge and rigged it up to monitor that before building an oil cooler system later. Well, that backfired a bit as I pulled off the course after 4 laps after the gauge showed 275* and rising. 270* was our predetermined warning number. Crew checked oil pan temp and it was only like 110 and water temp never budged over 180, so it was determined the cheapo POS gauge was not accurate. Sweet. Best time 1:36 taking it pretty easy. Thanks to Jay @ Speedtech for initial tire pressure recommendations.

2nd Session - Got a full 9 laps in but probably only 2 really clean ones due to knuckleheads not knowing when to give a point by (I gave my share throughout the day BTW). Pushed it harder and knocked 3 seconds off to 1:33. Crew made continuous adjustments to tire pressures & shock settings.

Chad encouraged me to try to get into Advanced for 3rd session so I talked to the organizers and they were cool with it.

3rd Session - Great call by Chad to move me up to Advanced. Faster and smarter drivers and better spacing even though similar number of cars in this group. Got 5 solid laps (can't remember why not more) and knocked 5+ seconds off my time. Down to 1:28 now. Some minor right side tire pressure tweaks and we were pretty dialed in for the rest of the day.

The real reason I think I knocked off 5+ seconds is Rich found this in my tail pipe. We think Todd must've snuck in and planted them. :rofl:

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4th Session - Short session as the tranny linkage was already feeling mushy (reoccurring issue since RTTC) going in so I wasn't sure if I'd make the checkered... and that came true... but because the battery tipped over in the trunk on my 2nd lap (:lol:) -- guess that battery hold down didn't gitter dun (cheaper chrome piece that came on the car). Battery tipped over and knocked the fuel pump electrical out of commission, so it just died and I pulled over. So I got to test out my new Chainsaw tow hook. :D

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Session 5 - Battery reconnected and tightened down and shifter linkage massaged a bit (not much to do -- we just need a new linkage... or trans!). Ready to rock. Got to line up 2nd right behind the badass Orange C6 Z06 all race prepped on R888's. He set low time of the day with a Pro Driver at 1:23. The owner was driving this time so I gave myself a shot... a long shot. Or no shot :lol: Held with him okay for about 1/2 a lap then fell back. Shifter started giving me bad trouble and had to really slow shift it and force into gears. Gave her hell for 3 laps and laid down my best time on my final lap. Felt like a 1:27 but I knocked 5 thousandth's off my best for a lower 1:28.2. Video review shows the shifter issue slowed me a bit there.

Here is my 5th & final session trying to keep up with the badass C6 Z06. Best lap is 3rd lap before pulling into pit.

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And here is my final & best lap of the day.

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I received some really nice praise from other drivers and the event organizers at the end of the day. They were shocked I was on street tires. Some of these guys used to seeing imports don't give our cars too much credit since they don't see many of them. That's how it seemed anyway.

No offense to autoX lovers, but man this puts that game to shame in the fun department IMO. I can't wait to get back out to a road course, and I encourage anyone on the fence to do the same.

[Track Junky]

Awesome job by you and your crew Dave!!

I imagine you will be going to a 5 or 6 speed but I posted a bit of info at your thread about the Muncie and linkage I am using at the PT site. If you need more info get a hold of me. I stick with the Muncie for weight reasons and will eventually go to a Jerico and sequential linkage.

Once again, awesome job and congrats on a successful weekend. :thumbsup:

Hope to see you guys at Buttonwillow July 30th.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Congrats to the whole GoodTransBadLinkageHand crew for a successful day. :thumbsup:

Cool how driver and crew overcame the cars' issues.

Great driving (no surprise) and a great post.

[waynieZ]

Nice driving. It felt like I was in the car with you.

[Flash68]

Awesome job by you and your crew Dave!!

I imagine you will be going to a 5 or 6 speed but I posted a bit of info at your thread about the Muncie and linkage I am using at the PT site. If you need more info get a hold of me. I stick with the Muncie for weight reasons and will eventually go to a Jerico and sequential linkage.

Once again, awesome job and congrats on a successful weekend. :thumbsup:

Hope to see you guys at Buttonwillow July 30th.

I had been leaning toward a Liberty prepped TKO 600 for quite a while, but my mind has started wandering toward these other 4 speeds lately i.e. Jerico and Tex Racing.... hmmm.

Thanks for the words. We will race together one of these days! :cheers:

Congrats to the whole GoodTransBadLinkageHand crew for a successful day. :thumbsup:

Cool how driver and crew overcame the cars' issues.

Great driving (no surprise) and a great post.

The BadLinkageFinger crew did a great job. The car is taking everything we throw at it pretty well.

Thanks for the words Dr. Skip! :thumbsup: (In DFresh Land, everyone is a doctor) :lol:

Nice driving. It felt like I was in the car with you.

Thanks Wayne!

[tones2SS]

Very nice Dave. Great videos. Glad you had fun.
Your car sounds mean and it moves out pretty good too!:yes: :thumbsup:

[Nick.V70]

Lovin the pictures Dave. So great to see you really getting to use this car.:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Very nice Dave. Great videos. Glad you had fun.
Your car sounds mean and it moves out pretty good too!:yes: :thumbsup:

Lovin the pictures Dave. So great to see you really getting to use this car.:thumbsup:

Thanks dudes! :cheers:

Nick -- can I assume you'll be at GG Pleasanton on Saturday?

[Flash68]

Thanks to Jay (BrakeLate) for this video chasing me in my 2nd and final Intermediate session before moving up to Advance to get some room to run. He catches up to me about the 5:50 mark. Since I burn quite a bit of oil, he first thinks there is a problem with my car when I smoke on decel/shifting. :lol: It's nice to be able to watch my lines from this perspective.

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[HEEP]

Looked like the only problem with your Camaro was that he couldn't keep up.:hail:

HEEP

[Vegas69]

I didn't see the 11 mustang coming anywhere close to hanging. :P That little 377 is a monster.:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Haha. He was a good dude and at least wasn't an import! :thumbsup:

[1965_SS]

Awesome car and video's! I like how you left that new mustang:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Just got home from the shop working all afternoon and into the night with Rich on my transmission deal... the M21 that came with the car has been giving me problems with shifting since RTTC so we decided to pull it and throw in one of his spare M21's in the shop for the upcoming GG AutoX next weekend in Pleasanton. Well, getting it out and talking more about it, we decided to try the wide ratio M20 he had there. We think the 2.52 1st should actually be much better for autoX as I will max out at 60ish mph in 1st (70ish with M21). We used parts from at least 3 different Muncies I believe so it's a bit of a mutt now. :thumbsup:

I was stoked to read recently this AutoX will not be the usual peanut but a little longer course to stretch our legs. How long I have no idea... I just can't imagine more than 60mph will be seen.

This move will also help us determine if the M21 itself was the problem or if the linkage was it. We've been stumped thus far.

It will also provide me with real world data in my never-ending and incessant research of my next trans (TKO, T56, T101a, Jerico are all candidates).

Also found we had one bad roller rocker (galled) so that is on order. Would love to move to shaft rockers someday.

Ok, I am getting delirious.... off to bed. :cheers:

[torino420]

Is there a schedule for when you'll be running? I'd like to come check it out.

Damn Dave, you're a night owl :D

[Flash68]

Is there a schedule for when you'll be running? I'd like to come check it out.

Damn Dave, you're a night owl :D

It says 9am to Noon and 1pm to 3pm on Saturday, but not sure how it all works actually. I plan on getting there before 9am and see what happens. Should be some killer cars out there so come check it out and say hello.

[Matt@BOS]

It says 9am to Noon and 1pm to 3pm on Saturday, but not sure how it all works actually. I plan on getting there before 9am and see what happens. Should be some killer cars out there so come check it out and say hello.

Yeah, it's always smart to show up a little early on Saturday to get one of the lower numbered spots, which means you might get one additional run compared to some of the higher numbers if they only make it half way through a round at the end.

Oh, and I wouldn't expect to get over 40mph this coming weekend. This years autocross might be bigger than last year's, but that isn't necessarily saying much :lol:

Thanks for posting up that video too. Looks like you had a lot of fun out there. Makes me want to get out to a big track again.

See you next weekend,

Matt

[Nick.V70]

I will see if I can plan to come out to the show sat for the day so I can watch the racing. I am not planning to take my car in the day but later my wife and I are planning to take it out down town if all goes right this week with it. Dave you planning on staying in the area sat night or heading home?

[Flash68]

Yeah, it's always smart to show up a little early on Saturday to get one of the lower numbered spots, which means you might get one additional run compared to some of the higher numbers if they only make it half way through a round at the end.

Oh, and I wouldn't expect to get over 40mph this coming weekend. This years autocross might be bigger than last year's, but that isn't necessarily saying much :lol:

Thanks for posting up that video too. Looks like you had a lot of fun out there. Makes me want to get out to a big track again.

See you next weekend,

Matt

How early you think on Sat is sufficient? Based on my 4am post this morning from last night, you can guess I am not a morning guy. What time you guys plan on rolling over there?

40mph track has got to be more fun than the damn peanut. Was never too excited to run that configuration. This should be fun regardless -- looking like a good crew coming up.

Thanks and looking forward to see you Socal surfer boys too. :lol:

I will see if I can plan to come out to the show sat for the day so I can watch the racing. I am not planning to take my car in the day but later my wife and I are planning to take it out down town if all goes right this week with it. Dave you planning on staying in the area sat night or heading home?

Nick, I was gonna hit you up this week and did figure you'd be there car or not. We are getting a bunch of us together after the show for dinner. Check this thread out. You should join and def bring the car!

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=349862&postcount=40

[Matt@BOS]

How early you think on Sat is sufficient? Based on my 4am post this morning from last night, you can guess I am not a morning guy. What time you guys plan on rolling over there?

40mph track has got to be more fun than the damn peanut. Was never too excited to run that configuration. This should be fun regardless -- looking like a good crew coming up.

Thanks and looking forward to see you Socal surfer boys too. :lol:



Getting there around 8 a.m. can't hurt, but I might sacrifice a possible 30ish sec run at the end of the weekend for an extra hour of sleep Saturday morning.

Goodguys said that they were planning a bigger course with better management for cars entering and exiting. So, hopefully things will run quickly and smoothly this year.

Matt

[Nick.V70]

Nick, I was gonna hit you up this week and did figure you'd be there car or not. We are getting a bunch of us together after the show for dinner. Check this thread out. You should join and def bring the car!

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=349862&postcount=40

Nice, let's hope the car makes it out, I will plan to try and make it early for the racing and show and see how the evening goes, still need to get a baby sitter :willy:

[Flash68]

Nice, let's hope the car makes it out, I will plan to try and make it early for the racing and show and see how the evening goes, still need to get a baby sitter :willy:

Heck, man, bring the Chevelle out for a nice break-in on the AutoX. :unibrow:

:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

a couple more vids from the 2nd GoPro at Willow Springs 2 weeks ago...

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[tones2SS]

Awesome videos Dave. Looks like you had some fun. That top video is awesome as you blow all those cars away behind you.:lol:
Keep up the good work bud.:thumbsup:

[CrossRamRich]

Magic Man!!! Now you see me, now you dont!:hail:

[CrossRamRich]

Ready for Big Willow saturday. Hope to see Dave get some good numbers with the new "Secret Weapon" installed.:D Anyone else comin to play?:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ready for Big Willow saturday. Hope to see Dave get some good numbers with the new "Secret Weapon" installed.:D Anyone else comin to play?:cheers:


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/NFL-Al-Davis.jpg

Just win Baby!




:lol:

[Flash68]

Well Skip, that ^^ there is a very scary sight! :lol:


We definitely did not win the big race this weekend, but we did "win" in finding a nice used M21 for sale and stumbling upon a piece of history (more on that later)...

Met up with Chad-1stGen and continued making some new friends in the Mustang crowd -- Carlos, Jay, Dave are all great guys who were very helpful and welcoming. I took rides with both Carlos and Jay and got to see their different lines on the track (both are instructors). Unfortunately, I got more seat time as a passenger than I did driving my own car. Boo. :lol:

The models and photographers June and Nicole were a pleasure to spend time with as well. :unibrow:

After our 3rd Muncie trans in less than a month, Mr Muncie failed us again. In our rush to salvage the weekend we made calls, checked craigslist, posted on forums/facebook and struck out... until Rich thought to check out the onsite race shops there and see what they had. Well, whaddya know... an M21 laying underneath a Cobra body.... doing nothing. $400 later and 2 trips to the ATM and we have a new trans... Rich dove into it and knocked it out in about 1:30 I believe in an effort to make the final session at 4pm. Trans got in just fine (minus reverse - but who needs that) but the linkage and shifter would just not go into multiple gears no matter what was tried.... so the day was done.

My crew chief Rich is a stud and as I keep saying, I wouldn't be able to attend these track days without him, so thanks buddy. I think we only put down about 30 bud lights this weekend (poor performance, I know)... many at the track.... was anyone else surprised they serve alcohol onsite? I admit it did come in handy once we were just spectators. :thumbsup:

After 4 muncie transmissions in less than a month, I officially hate Muncie, whoever he is. I gotta figure something out soon....

I only took one video of my 2nd and final shortened session where I hit consecutive 1:42 laps with shifting issues and point-by's. You can see me yelling and waving at some guys to just go around me during some of my issues. :willy:

At about 2:10 in my video, one of the highlights was hitting 130-132 on the front straight just before my braking point and a C6 Z06 passes me and cuts in front for the turn-in as he was doing close to 140 I would guess. Open passing in advanced is pretty fun once you're comfortable with it.

Still gotta work on my rev matching, but adjustments need to be made to the pedal setup as the brake pedal engages way too high to roll over and blip the throttle.

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And last but not least, in our search for a spare M21 trans, we stumbled upon this little gem of history.... yes, it's the real deal. Very cool.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo_002-4.jpg

[coolwelder62]

And last but not least, in our search for a spare M21 trans, we stumbled upon this little gem of history.... yes, it's the real deal. Very cool.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo_002-4.jpg[/QUOTE]Now that's what I'm talkin about.That's awesome.:hail: :hail: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

i was hoping you would see that Scott. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Ready for Big Willow saturday. Hope to see Dave get some good numbers with the new "Secret Weapon" installed.:D Anyone else comin to play?:cheers:

Oh, and the "Secret Weapon" = FAIL. :lol:

[scottysimp7]

Sorry to hear about the tranny issues. Bummer.:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Dude --- I f'n near 60 years old and even I don't use a Muncie transmission! Haven't rowed one of those for like 25 years!

Raise your game down there! I'm thinking the land of fruits and nuts has gotten in your shorts.

You want a T56 6 speed? I'll bring it down next time I come. Got the bellhousing etc. It's out of an late 80's early 90's Camaro I think. Not sure it would hold up either... those were pretty low HP/TQ cars.

[Flash68]

Sorry to hear about the tranny issues. Bummer.:cheers:

well we had a good run there with the old tech :lol:

Dude --- I f'n near 60 years old and even I don't use a Muncie transmission! Haven't rowed one of those for like 25 years!

Raise your game down there! I'm thinking the land of fruits and nuts has gotten in your shorts.

You want a T56 6 speed? I'll bring it down next time I come. Got the bellhousing etc. It's out of an late 80's early 90's Camaro I think. Not sure it would hold up either... those were pretty low HP/TQ cars.

LOL thanks Greg. And you're right.. we've been gum and paper clipping these Muncies all year, and we finally got bit. It has been fun and interesting trying to get the most out of "inferior" stuff - non LS, no overdrive, no Vintage Air... you know, all that REQUIRED pro touring stuff. :lol:

I Really appreciate the offer on that T56, but yeah I think it's rated to maybe 400hp if I had to guess. :cheers:

Believe me, I'll be back with a beefy trans next time out, you can be sure of that. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

400 HP might be pushing it!

LOL


I know a real estate guy in Lost Wages that wants to spend big bucks on an upgrade --- maybe he'd have a hand me down.....

EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Vegas69]

I wouldn't sell this thing to you, let alone Dave.:unibrow:

[GregWeld]

I wouldn't sell this thing to you, let alone Dave.:unibrow:

SELL?! Who said anything about paying you money for it. Come on! I thought you and Dave were tight! Or is that just his underwear? :woot:

[Vegas69]

****, I ain't rollin around in Grey Poupon like you.:rofl:

[Flash68]

LOL.... Todd ain't gonna pull that trans til something goes wrong with it. We up here at the Garlic Proving Grounds have no issue swapping trannies weekly. My mechanic is the fastest gun in the West. :D

Greg, when I race, I freeball it baby. That's just how I roll. :rofl:

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[fleetus macmullitz]

TMI³

:P



Sounds like a

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waitin to happen.

:lol:

[Flash68]

See Todd... I actually was involved in the tranny swap. And beer was involved apparently. :_paranoid

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/254349_2042778824176_1085492243_2455474_4107169_n. jpg

[GregWeld]

And beer was involved apparently


This what you're using for gear lube? Might explain the failures....:willy:

[Vegas69]

It's OK to peel off those RTTC stickers now. :D Watching doesn't count.

[mdprovee]

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I know you have been fighting it.

[awr68]

Those Youtube vids crack me up! :lol:

[Flash68]

This what you're using for gear lube? Might explain the failures....:willy:

Maybe I should've used some of your CamEro wine eh GW? :lol:

It's OK to peel off those RTTC stickers now. :D Watching doesn't count.

Yeah yeah yeah.. I've been waiting for someone to comment on that. LOL.. hey, can a brutha just support the Pro Touring world here? :woot:

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I know you have been fighting it.

Thx Mike. Will live to fight another day.. :cheers:

Those Youtube vids crack me up! :lol:

Which ones? Yelling at the other cars to just go around me? LOL

[Vegas69]

Dude, I'm your biggest supporter in Nevada. :D If you keep the muncie, you need to get one that has been gone through by a reputable trans shop right before it is drop shipped at our door. Just make sure the bud light truck beats it by a few minutes. :unibrow:

[coolwelder62]

Dude, I'm your biggest supporter in Nevada. :D If you keep the muncie, you need to get one that has been gone through by a reputable trans shop right before it is drop shipped at our door. Just make sure the bud light truck beats it by a few minutes. :unibrow:ICE COLD-BUD LITE LIME.:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

No wonder you like those prissy LSX engines. Give me a corona with a real lime. :D

[CrossRamRich]

"Willow Springs " Rocks!!! They have a full bar:cheers: , food:yes: , great paddock. We even had cheerleaders!:unibrow: You guys are missin out!

[Flash68]

Dude, I'm your biggest supporter in Nevada. :D If you keep the muncie, you need to get one that has been gone through by a reputable trans shop right before it is drop shipped at our door. Just make sure the bud light truck beats it by a few minutes. :unibrow:

Yep, like this one. http://www.5speeds.com/spec25/spec25.html

But I think I'm done with Muncie in all seriousness.

ICE COLD-BUD LITE LIME.:thumbsup:

No wonder you like those prissy LSX engines. Give me a corona with a real lime. :D

Well it's likely Corona or Negro Modelo for me boys as I'll be on the beach in Puerto Vallarta in about 14 hours from now. :unibrow:

"Willow Springs " Rocks!!! They have a full bar:cheers: , food:yes: , great paddock. We even had cheerleaders!:unibrow: You guys are missin out!

That place has a great vibe to it. Just feels nostalgic as all get out to me. Models and cheerleaders don't hurt either. :woot:

[fleetus macmullitz]

For it being less than a year since you bought this car, you've accomplished alot getting the car to the point of being a very capable track performer (temporary tranny issues aside) with Rich's stellar help, and alot as a driver... all in a very short period of time. :thumbsup:


Safe travels.

[skatinjay27]

Well it's likely Corona or Negro Modelo for me boys as I'll be on the beach in Puerto Vallarta in about 14 hours from now. :unibrow:


:
i hate you!:thumbsup:

that pic of the car getting worked on looks sweet!
what camera was that with it looks crisp!

[Flash68]

For it being less than a year since you bought this car, you've accomplished alot getting the car to the point of being a very capable track performer (temporary tranny issues aside) with Rich's stellar help, and alot as a driver... all in a very short period of time. :thumbsup:


Safe travels.

Thanks Skip! I agree it's been fun and some early success in a short time as we learn and grow. It's just been great to spend so much time wheelin the car around! :thumbsup:

i hate you!:thumbsup:

that pic of the car getting worked on looks sweet!
what camera was that with it looks crisp!

I hate you back. :cheers: :lol: I just had a Margerita and a cuban for ya.. poolside.. :thumbsup:

My cheerleader/model/photog says it's a Canon T2i 28-135mm. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

I just had a Margerita and a cuban for ya.. poolside.. :thumbsup:




:ttiwop:


:lol:


We're talkin cigars and not people here, right?


:D

[BANKO]

I love this pic!

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Fab50Three/IMG_0833.jpg

Nice work in getting your wheel center cap level ;-)

[CrossRamRich]

Can you believe this dude is in Mexico answering posts? I would hope there are better things to do there. Wait til he finds out I entered the car at Watsonville Speedway last night. I read somewhere "You aint racin till you got dirt in your beer!" We would like to be a well rounded racecar!:rofl: :cheers: :D

[mexMan]

I'm in Mexico answering posts, does than makeme a bad person? LOL :D

I love the trailer hook!

[GregWeld]

I'm in Mexico answering posts, does than makeme a bad person? LOL :D

I love the trailer hook!

I think Rich was referring to TODD -- AKA Vegas69.... who is there on vacation.

[mexMan]

I think Rich was referring to TODD -- AKA Vegas69.... who is there on vacation.

And he didn't tell me?! Todd ain't leaving Mexico until he shows me Payback.

[Flash68]

:ttiwop:


:lol:


We're talkin cigars and not people here, right?


:D

Maybe.. :unibrow: and I know which Seinfeld scene you're thinking of Skip. :lol:

I love this pic!

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k514/Fab50Three/IMG_0833.jpg

Nice work in getting your wheel center cap level ;-)

Ha, yeah that's a great pic. Brett, the maker of it took that pic at Willow Springs. And I cannot take credit for the level center cap. Heck, maybe Brett pushed the car fwd a bit to get it like that. Would not surprise me. :lol:

Can you believe this dude is in Mexico answering posts? I would hope there are better things to do there. Wait til he finds out I entered the car at Watsonville Speedway last night. I read somewhere "You aint racin till you got dirt in your beer!" We would like to be a well rounded racecar!:rofl: :cheers: :D

Hey, sometimes I need a vacation from my vacation. Plus, after 30+ hours poo & beach side since Wed, I can spare a few minutes to check in my people. :lateral:

Throw some old McCreary dirt track tires on there and let's go! :lol:


I'm in Mexico answering posts, does than makeme a bad person? LOL :D

I love the trailer hook!

No, that makes you a great person. Lovin Puerto Vallarta... great place.:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I think Rich was referring to TODD -- AKA Vegas69.... who is there on vacation.

I think you've been duped. I'm typing this from the pool in PV as we speak. And I don't think this is Todd in a bikini next to me.:rofl:

[Vegas69]

There's no mistaking a specimen this good....:D

[mexMan]

I think you've been duped. I'm typing this from the pool in PV as we speak. And I don't think this is Todd in a bikini next to me.:rofl:

Ok, you ain't leaving Mexico until you show me Badmotorfinger!

[CrossRamRich]

There's no mistaking a specimen this good....:D

Or that bright :rofl: !!!

[GregWeld]

I think Rich was referring to TODD -- AKA Vegas69.... who is there on vacation.


Oops -- It's Dave that's down there! I think "vacation" can also be called "drug mule"??


Race car parts are expensive.... gotta pay for 'em some how!! :rofl: :rofl:

[Matt@BOS]

Oops -- It's Dave that's down there! I think "vacation" can also be called "drug mule"??


Greg, you must be watching too many episodes of Locked up Abroad.

Matt

[Flash68]

Mexican customs was a breeze upon re-entry.... :unibrow:

[CrossRamRich]

Letsa buya thea Italian gear seta! We makea the car plenty fasta!! :D

[Flash68]

Letsa buya thea Italian gear seta! We makea the car plenty fasta!! :D

Naw, we gonna be taking this trans drama into a newer decade.... I'm all fed up with 40+ year old Muncie "technology"... there's prolly a good reason none of these other PT/track cars are running an old M21. :thumbsup:



And in other news... the owner 2 owners ago of my car tracked me down after seeing it in Camaro Performers covering the RTTC2 event. He was really happy to see the car again and we chatted about everything he did. He actually painted the car in 1999 when he was 15 in hid dad's paint shop. And he did the mini-tub job before there was the mini-tub kit everyone buys today. Wants to come see it in action on the track someday. :cheers:

[uk68327]

Naw, we gonna be taking this trans drama into a newer decade.... I'm all fed up with 40+ year old Muncie "technology"... there's prolly a good reason none of these other PT/track cars are running an old M21. :thumbsup:

I'm installing an M21 in my 68 - old skool drivetrain for the win! :_paranoid if it breaks, then the Italian gearset gets commissioned :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Mark

[ssick chevelle]

What is the purpose of the bar across the enginembay? Looks beautiful

[fleetus macmullitz]

And in other news... the owner 2 owners ago of my car tracked me down after seeing it in Camaro Performers covering the RTTC2 event. He was really happy to see the car again and we chatted about everything he did. He actually painted the car in 1999 when he was 15 in hid dad's paint shop. And he did the mini-tub job before there was the mini-tub kit everyone buys today. Wants to come see it in action on the track someday. :cheers:

Cool story. Must of made your day. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I'm installing an M21 in my 68 - old skool drivetrain for the win! :_paranoid if it breaks, then the Italian gearset gets commissioned :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Mark

Well I gave it plenty of chances but they just aren't happy with my motor and apparently shifting techniques. :lol:

I thought about the Italian gearsets and told Rich about them, but now I am just thinking something newer and beefier altogether... and different.

After 4 various Muncies in this car in less than 2 months, I'd say it's time to try something else!

What is the purpose of the bar across the enginembay? Looks beautiful

It's a Monte Carlo bar that was custom fabbed by the shop the previous owner had do all the rollcage work. It ties in those forward down bars that keeps the frame and cage all rigid.

Cool story. Must of made your day. :thumbsup:

Yes that was a fun chat and gave me -- as resident one-liner Todd would say -- the warm and fuzzies inside. :D

[Ron in SoCal]

^ Hey Dave - what's the deal w the italian gear sets? Never heard of them (nothing new there). Also, that was a very cool story of the prior owner. Maybe you and Rich can draft him into the pit crew? :cool:

[Flash68]

^ Hey Dave - what's the deal w the italian gear sets? Never heard of them (nothing new there). Also, that was a very cool story of the prior owner. Maybe you and Rich can draft him into the pit crew? :cool:

Apparently this is a way to get some stronger gears in there. There was/is an Italian gear company who manufacturers stronger M22 gearsets with a greater level of detail (apparently) than what Muncie themselves did. I couldn't find a ton of solid details on them but did find several 4 speed/Muncie rebuilders/sellers who sell them for about $500-600 a set. But, if I am going to dump $1000+ into ANY tranny, I figure it not be a Muncie.... you can dress up a hooker with Gucci shoes and bag but she is still a hooker. :_paranoid

:lateral:

And my pit crew is getting kinda big then.... puts some more pressure on said driver to perform. :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

Yep. Just look at it as a $1000 discont on the new tranny...:thumbsup:

[dwfastcam]

Help ME... my pit crew are at the Rosamond Bikini Bar tonite.... :unibrow:

Haha, Zebras? How was that

[Flash68]

Haha, Zebras? How was that

I don't remember for sure but that sounds right! I didn't go -- only the pit crew went... I was not feeling 100% that weekend so I stayed at the hotel, another Rosamond treat. :lol:

[dwfastcam]

I don't remember for sure but that sounds right! I didn't go -- only the pit crew went... I was not feeling 100% that weekend so I stayed at the hotel, another Rosamond treat. :lol:

Haha, right on! I used to be a Lancaster local, we would venture to rosemond for a good laugh now and then.:cheers:

Well I dig the car and the videos, if you ever need another pit crew member, I'd love to come drink some beers.:woot:

[Flash68]

Well after a little hiatus and some time researching and sourcing parts, we are back at it. Took out the trans and clutch yesterday to make way for this new baby:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3459.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3463.jpg

It's a Tex Racing (now G-Force) T101A 4 speed from a Nascar team. Can routinely pick these up with some race miles on them for about $1800-2200, but I found a gem with mostly fresh/new parts on craiglist for $1750 in the gear ratios I was looking for - very close to the M-21/M-22 ratios.

2.26 1st
1.54 2nd
1.29 3rd
1.1 4th

It's got dog rings so can't wait to do some clutchless shifting and left foot breaking on the road course. :thumbsup:

One of the reasons I liked this conversion is that it's nearly the same case size as the Muncies I'd been using, and the only things we think are needed for the swap are a clutch disc change (10 spline to 26), a Turbo 400/1310 yoke, and some tunnel mods to make room for the heim shift rods and bulkier Hurst Super Shifter.

Also cleaned up the dirty exhaust system a bit. A $5 can of Rustoleum goes a long way. :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3474.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

Dave -- great choice! That tranny is bad a** and perfect for your intended use. I can't wait to see it run...! :thumbsup:

P.S. next time let me play delivery driver :lol:

[Vegas69]

Bad ass, that will be a blast to row through the gears. Now that's a close ratio. Look at 2nd-4th.:faint:

[GregWeld]

Now you're talking!!

[Flash68]

P.S. next time let me play delivery driver :lol:

Ha, I didn't end up getting that one... this one came from back east.. but I do appreciate your "courier" offer Ron. :thumbsup: :D

[Track Junky]

Sweet find. My muncie also has the turbo 400 32 spline output shaft. You may need to shorten your drive shaft also. I'm pretty sure I have the drive shaft you need laying in my garage. Let me know if you want to give it a try.

[89 RS]

That's pretty sweet Dave, that tranny is gonna be wicked, great find...exhaust is lookin' good also.

[Flash68]

Bad ass, that will be a blast to row through the gears. Now that's a close ratio. Look at 2nd-4th.:faint:

Now you're talking!!

Sweet find. My muncie also has the turbo 400 32 spline output shaft. You may need to shorten your drive shaft also. I'm pretty sure I have the drive shaft you need laying in my garage. Let me know if you want to give it a try.

That's pretty sweet Dave, that tranny is gonna be wicked, great find...exhaust is lookin' good also.

Thanks guys. I'm making the push to be Ron's Vice Presidential candidate. :lol:

[senor_Camaro]

man you need to get a T-56!!!!!! ive been watching your vids on youtube, really i like the video with the corvette. keep up the good driving

[uk68327]

Very nice - and cheaper than buying a Muncie/Rockcrusher/Super case combo! :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks guys. I'm making the push to be Ron's Vice Presidential candidate. :lol:

Uh, you do know Ron does a background check, right?

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Funnies/128811278302796946.jpg




Nice tranny acquisition though. :D

[Flash68]

man you need to get a T-56!!!!!! ive been watching your vids on youtube, really i like the video with the corvette. keep up the good driving

I considered lots of trannies... T56, TKO, M-22 Rockcrusher, Jerico.... but this fit budget and size and is bulletproof pretty much.

Thanks, and that was fun trying to keep up with that Z06. He ditched me pretty quickly though. :D

Very nice - and cheaper than buying a Muncie/Rockcrusher/Super case combo! :thumbsup:

Yes, the badass Autogear or other beefed up Muncies were all over $2000.

Uh, you do know Ron does a background check, right?

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Funnies/128811278302796946.jpg




Nice tranny acquisition though. :D

LOL... thanks.

We all got the skeletons in our closet. :_paranoid :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

We all got the skeletons in our closet. :_paranoid :lol:

Checking right now...:lol:

[Matt@BOS]

I considered lots of trannies... T56, TKO, M-22 Rockcrusher, Jerico.... but this fit budget and size and is bulletproof pretty much.



Dave, just a little warning given your penchant for going through transmissions - I've only ever driven one car with straight cut gears, but I was told to use the clutch as you normally would, because while the trans was designed to function without the clutch in the event of a mechanical failure, it was intended to be used with it. If I'm wrong though, and sound like an idiot, please correct me :lol:

Matt

[rwhite692]

Dave that T101 should serve you well, good choice!

[tones2SS]

Very nice Dave. Nice to see the updates for Badmotorfinger.:thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

NOW that's a real man's Trans.No girly tunner crap there.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Frickin,awesome.:thumbsup: Scott

[Flash68]

Dave, just a little warning given your penchant for going through transmissions - I've only ever driven one car with straight cut gears, but I was told to use the clutch as you normally would, because while the trans was designed to function without the clutch in the event of a mechanical failure, it was intended to be used with it. If I'm wrong though, and sound like an idiot, please correct me :lol:

Matt

Hey Matt. I def have not authority to say you are wrong... or an idiot... :D
What I can say is I've spent the last couple months talking to all kinds of people on the subject of T101/Jerico dogbox trannies, and there were def mixed opinions on some subjects (using the clutch vs not, and clutch size/usage mainly). But most that I talked to who road raced -- and even 1 guy who built and maintained the T101A driveline for a Rusty Wallace Craftsman team for 8 years -- encouraged not using the clutch on the track.

Here is a video in a T101A thread on another forum I found, and what I will be trying to mimic on the track:

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Oh, and since you mentioned I love to kill Muncies.... here is the current Muncie Graveyard at the shop. :)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3473-1.jpg

[Flash68]

Dave that T101 should serve you well, good choice!

Very nice Dave. Nice to see the updates for Badmotorfinger.:thumbsup:

NOW that's a real man's Trans.No girly tunner crap there.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Frickin,awesome.:thumbsup: Scott

Thanks fellers! :thumbsup:

No girly crap here Scott! I love it! HAHA! :rofl:

[senor_Camaro]

let me know if you would like to sell some of those muncies, I have some customers interested in 4 speed swaps.

[Matt@BOS]

That is quite the graveyard you've got over there. I'm just curious, but what is the logic behind the clutch/clutchless debate. I'd love to know a little more. I suppose the trans was designed around racing, seems like it was the right choice given what you do to the car, and probably won't be joining the Muncies any time soon, but I'm curious as to what maintenance is required. Do these last quite some time without a rebuild? I don't know much about the Jerico. I just know they're tried and true.

BTW, I think I know why you really went with this transmission. You don't have to heel-toe in your car anymore :lol:

Matt

[SBDave]

I could be wrong.... but I don't think this gearbox is straight cut gears, it's dog change. Dog change is a different style of engagement (most manual's are synchro). Dog change are more widely spaced engagement teeth on the gear and selector hubs to help with shifting at high rpm's. Done correctly you can shift faster because you are matching the rpm's of the gears and you are not relying on the synchros to match rpms which takes time.

You can still miss shift and beat the dogs up, but they are thicker than the synchro teeth and can take some abuse. The dog teeth are back cut so when you are on power they are locked together. When you don't match rpm's correctly you damage the leading edge of the back cut which if it gets bad enough (effectively ruining the back cut) allows the dogs to slip apart causing the trans to slip out of gear.

Sounds like a sweet setup! ....did you get it from racingjunk? I was looking for more info on the trans and found a wanted ad for one there.

-Dave

[Flash68]

let me know if you would like to sell some of those muncies, I have some customers interested in 4 speed swaps.

That's a possibility. 2 of those are mine and 2 are Rich's. Actually only 1 has a broken gear. I'll talk it over with him.

That is quite the graveyard you've got over there. I'm just curious, but what is the logic behind the clutch/clutchless debate. I'd love to know a little more. I suppose the trans was designed around racing, seems like it was the right choice given what you do to the car, and probably won't be joining the Muncies any time soon, but I'm curious as to what maintenance is required. Do these last quite some time without a rebuild? I don't know much about the Jerico. I just know they're tried and true.

BTW, I think I know why you really went with this transmission. You don't have to heel-toe in your car anymore :lol:

Matt

First thing I can think of is less of an rpm drop by shifting without the clutch and just lifting off the gas quickly. Beyond that I am not sure. I plan to street drive it before Buttonwillow and will try both ways.

Maintenance -- again, different opinions, but they are all pretty similar. The thing is... most everyone is using these trans in very heavy duty racing environments i.e. oval track, 200-300 mile races, or regular track days. I foresee 4-6 track days per year for me for the next year or so I can be a little less aggressive on schedule I would think. Every single person I talked to says to use Mobil 1 synthetic 75-90. Check/change fluid every 1-2 races and service/refresh every 1-2 years (or 1500 race miles. Uh, that's a lot).

And what do you mean I don't have to heel-toe anymore? I never did before! :lol:


I could be wrong.... but I don't think this gearbox is straight cut gears, it's dog change. Dog change is a different style of engagement (most manual's are synchro). Dog change are more widely spaced engagement teeth on the gear and selector hubs to help with shifting at high rpm's. Done correctly you can shift faster because you are matching the rpm's of the gears and you are not relying on the synchros to match rpms which takes time.

You can still miss shift and beat the dogs up, but they are thicker than the synchro teeth and can take some abuse. The dog teeth are back cut so when you are on power they are locked together. When you don't match rpm's correctly you damage the leading edge of the back cut which if it gets bad enough (effectively ruining the back cut) allows the dogs to slip apart causing the trans to slip out of gear.

Sounds like a sweet setup! ....did you get it from racingjunk? I was looking for more info on the trans and found a wanted ad for one there.

-Dave


Thanks Dave. I did get a few emails from racingjunk guys but they were either overpriced or not what I was looking for. Found this one on Memphis craigslist. I searched wide and deep!

Looks like you are partially correct on the dog ring vs straight cut deal. A dog ring trans can have either helical gears or straight cut gears, or a combination. Nice little write up here:

http://seacoastsubarus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4916

[Payton King]

Ron loves his and you can surely bang gears quickly. Jake has one in his AIX car and Vinnie is running one now as well.

[Flash68]

Ron loves his and you can surely bang gears quickly. Jake has one in his AIX car and Vinnie is running one now as well.

Hey Payton -- yep, all 3 of those guys you mention I contacted about their experiences and advice with this trans. It's not a very long list of people running them that I could find anyway.

Jake actually runs a Jerico if I recall, but pretty much the same deal.

:cheers:

[SBDave]

That's a nice write up on different options available in transmissions, a much more thorough explanation than mine.

I've ridden (but never driven) in race cars with dog change/helical cut trannys, the noise of a proper shift is pretty incredible. I'm interested to see what you think. I understand it can be an expensive learning curve to drive dog change properly...but maybe cheaper than replacing Muncies. ;)

-Dave

[Flash68]

That's a nice write up on different options available in transmissions, a much more thorough explanation than mine.

I've ridden (but never driven) in race cars with dog change/helical cut trannys, the noise of a proper shift is pretty incredible. I'm interested to see what you think. I understand it can be an expensive learning curve to drive dog change properly...but maybe cheaper than replacing Muncies. ;)

-Dave

I agree, and I hope to get in there and learn quickly. Everyone I have talked to says shift it like you mean every... single... time. Sounds fun and hopefully not harder than it sounds. I think getting the footwork down will be the hardest part since it will be so counterintuitive.

But yes, either way... no more Muncies. :)

[CrossRamRich]

It seems we now have "Garage" acsess for Buttonwillow, so we will be bringing the icechest, Weber, and "Carmen Electra" cut-out :unibrow: Oh ya, and tire pressure gauge. :cheers:

[Track Junky]

Thats awesome Rich, but aren't you forgetting something?

[CrossRamRich]

Thats awesome Rich, but aren't you forgetting something?
Tip money for the single moms?????:D, Bud Light for the pit crew?????:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Dude, shake and bake!

[Track Junky]

It seems we now have "Garage" acsess for Buttonwillow, so we will be bringing the icechest, Weber, and "Carmen Electra" cut-out :unibrow: Oh ya, and tire pressure gauge. :cheers:

All those items your bringing so far sound great, But if you dont have a car to fill it with you'll need the Karioki Box so we can use the rest of the space as a dance floor :rofl:

In other words, WHATS UP WITH THE NEW TRANS INSTALL!!

[DFRESH]

It seems we now have "Garage" acsess for Buttonwillow, so we will be bringing the icechest, Weber, and "Carmen Electra" cut-out :unibrow: Oh ya, and tire pressure gauge. :cheers:


Woooooooooooooooooooo! Wooooooooooooooooooooooo! Help me Tom Cruise!

Lovin September right about now---Yee Haaaaaaaaaa

DFRESH

[Flash68]

In other words, WHATS UP WITH THE NEW TRANS INSTALL!!

Waiting on a clutch disc to arrive... then it's on. Just decided (and confirmed I am within spec) to go with the Centerforce LMC (light metal clutch) disc and use my existing RAM pressure plate and alum flywheel. Gotta love mixing and matching parts. :D

Woooooooooooooooooooo! Wooooooooooooooooooooooo! Help me Tom Cruise!

Lovin September right about now---Yee Haaaaaaaaaa

DFRESH

Doctor Fresh is alive! Good to have you back.... :cheers:

[Flash68]

Got some more serious safety gear (all nomex SFI 5 stuff) ordered this weekend, as well as the rest of the oil cooling system I finally decided on. Will get started on that by next weekend. I've really started to think about safety more lately and try to incorporate that into every potential upgrade or mod.

And another Dog Ring trans expert sent me this bad ass video of a Jerico'd GT350R @ Road America... :captain:

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[GregWeld]

Let us know when you're that smooth.... :rofl: :D


That is a sweet video - I was mesmerized watching it.

[Track Junky]

Let us know when you're that smooth.... :rofl: :D


That is a sweet video - I was mesmerized watching it.


Like Greg has alot of room to scoff :rofl: :rofl:

Glad to hear things are coming along. I remember that I called Center Force and they sent me a recommended clutch disk. Either eway, I always show up loaded with tools and extra parts so hopefully all goes well in September.

[Ron in SoCal]

Man Dave that vid is sick. Good luck getting that footwork/rev matching down. As sarcastic as that sounded and I usually am, I really mean it. How bad a** would that be on the road course? :thumbsup:

[Chad-1stGen]

Sweet vid Dave. Can't wait to see you in action with the new trans!

[Flash68]

Let us know when you're that smooth.... :rofl: :D


That is a sweet video - I was mesmerized watching it.

Yeah I think it might take a couple trips around the block to get that down. :lol:

Mesmerized... you and me both!

Like Greg has alot of room to scoff :rofl: :rofl:

Glad to hear things are coming along. I remember that I called Center Force and they sent me a recommended clutch disk. Either eway, I always show up loaded with tools and extra parts so hopefully all goes well in September.

Yeah I talked a bit with both RAM and Centerforce and really liked their road racing intended LMC disc... it is meant to work with their LMC pressure plate, but with the pressure plate an extra $500 and the one I have looking fine, I just ordered the disc. We confirmed measurements so they said it should be fine.

I hope all goes well in Sept too. :cheers:

Man Dave that vid is sick. Good luck getting that footwork/rev matching down. As sarcastic as that sounded and I usually am, I really mean it. How bad a** would that be on the road course? :thumbsup:

Yeah 1st day at BW I hope to really get things down. A full day is a lot of time to get your coordination together. Maybe by 2nd day I can get a good rhythm going. I will say it looks easier to me than mastering rev matching with the traditional heel-toe clutch method. We'll see!

[EBMC]

I used to run Buttonwillow on my bike, love that track! We even ran it forward and backwards one weekend, everything I learned the first day, forget it! Have a blast.

[Flash68]

I used to run Buttonwillow on my bike, love that track! We even ran it forward and backwards one weekend, everything I learned the first day, forget it! Have a blast.

Very nice Steve. We are running it CW one day and CCW the other so know learning for day 2 for us either. It will be a blast I am sure. :woot:

[Track Junky]

Very nice Steve. We are running it CW one day and CCW the other so know learning for day 2 for us either. It will be a blast I am sure. :woot:

I was a little disappointed to see the guys running in the school group would be going CCW the next day. To learn the line in the CW direction one day and then change it up the next day?

Either way, should be a good time. Just sayin'.............

[CrossRamRich]

"Reverse engineering". A great saying for completely dismantiling a perfectly good racecar. Dude, we got some work to do.....:brix:

[70rs]

Got some more serious safety gear (all nomex SFI 5 stuff) ordered this weekend, as well as the rest of the oil cooling system I finally decided on. Will get started on that by next weekend. I've really started to think about safety more lately and try to incorporate that into every potential upgrade or mod.

And another Dog Ring trans expert sent me this bad ass video of a Jerico'd GT350R @ Road America... :captain:

5aYBBkFFJuI

Very cool video. I would like to see a full "in cab" view of the driver. To be able to watch the steering and shifting all going on at the same time.

There was another dash cam video with rpm/mph/gear/g force.... From inside a 69z. The shifting was going on above 8,000 rpm much of the time. That driver did not seem to be as smooth through the corners as the mustang driver. Fun to watch any of those.
Its at the bottom of the screen after the mustang video ends

[Chad-1stGen]

There was another dash cam video with rpm/mph/gear/g force.... From inside a 69z. The shifting was going on above 8,000 rpm much of the time. That driver did not seem to be as smooth through the corners as the mustang driver.

Shoulda linked it! Gonna go look for it now lol

EDIT: Found one with a 67 Z28. OMG that guy winds that poor motor out so hard

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[Flash68]

"Reverse engineering". A great saying for completely dismantiling a perfectly good racecar. Dude, we got some work to do.....:brix:

Uh yeah.... so our trans swap and oil cooler project turned into this?? :lol:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3485.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3487.jpg

[itsals1]

I've never seen a aftermarket shifter like that!:lol: I bet its a great fit on the hand and shortens the throw quite a bit:rofl:

Travis :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Uh yeah.... so our trans swap and oil cooler project turned into this?? :lol:



Luuuuuucy? You got some 'splain-in to doo!

[Nick.V70]

Looking good Dave, hope you get her back together so we can tear up Danville:thumbsup:

[Chad-1stGen]

Dave,

I was wondering how the progress went this weekend. Hopefully that is progress!!

[Flash68]

I've never seen a aftermarket shifter like that!:lol: I bet its a great fit on the hand and shortens the throw quite a bit:rofl:

Travis :cheers:

I think it will work quite well! :lol:

Luuuuuucy? You got some 'splain-in to doo!

Ron you know how it works.... "well, as long as we are in here let's do ..... bla bla bla bla...." and "we might as well do this".... :_paranoid :thumbsup:


Looking good Dave, hope you get her back together so we can tear up Danville:thumbsup:

I just hope we got it back together in time for the Buttonwillow weekend! :D

Dave,

I was wondering how the progress went this weekend. Hopefully that is progress!!

I think I will call this sideways progress? :cheers:

[tones2SS]

Let the conversion begin!
I like your new "shifter" beer bottle design.:D

[Ron in SoCal]

I think it will work quite well! :lol:

Ron you know how it works.... "well, as long as we are in here let's do ..... bla bla bla bla...." and "we might as well do this".... :_paranoid :thumbsup:

I just hope we got it back together in time for the Buttonwillow weekend! :D

I think I will call this sideways progress? :cheers:

More like, (Dave's voice) "Hey Rich, while we're changing out the tranny and modding the clutch, why don't we tear out the interior, dash, do some wiring, put some of that noise/heat sticky stuff in cause you know how comfy I like to be at the track and, oh yeah got any spare aluminum laying around you could trim up for those X brace thingys near the back seats? I'm off to get some beer and I'll be back in the morning. Think you'll have it done?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(just teasing Bro!)

[GregWeld]

Seriously?! Is that a LIGHT BEER?!


:D

[Flash68]

Let the conversion begin!
I like your new "shifter" beer bottle design.:D

Rich only drinks Bud Light... if it were me, it'd be a nice Belgian or hoppier ale. :cheers:

More like, (Dave's voice) "Hey Rich, while we're changing out the tranny and modding the clutch, why don't we tear out the interior, dash, do some wiring, put some of that noise/heat sticky stuff in cause you know how comfy I like to be at the track and, oh yeah got any spare aluminum laying around you could trim up for those X brace thingys near the back seats? I'm off to get some beer and I'll be back in the morning. Think you'll have it done?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(just teasing Bro!)

Ya know, you'd normally be sorta right on that, but in this case I actually did most of the "demo" myself... I mean, it's a lot easier to knock something down than build it up right? :lol:

A good way to learn how something gets installed or goes together is to take it apart I hear. We'll see when it's time to put it back in... or leave it out in this case as part of our "race weight" strategic plan. :unibrow:

:lateral:
Seriously?! Is that a LIGHT BEER?!


:D

Tell me about it... flavored water..... but I don't think Rich, or anyone, would be very productive after 15 of the beers I like to drink. :cheers: :D

[Flash68]

We made some progress on the various projects to get ready for Buttonwillow next month. I wish I could just leave the shift rods exposed.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3504.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3505.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3531.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

Dude I was gonna bump this thread tonight. Tranny w the rod ends looks sexy...(opps Dave, don't read that wrong!). Gitt-er dun! :thumbsup:

[Chad-1stGen]

Uh your last update wasn't showing how you put in sound deadener was it? Hopefully that was already there. Otherwise, I can speak from experience that doing things twice isn't the ideal way :)

[Flash68]

Dude I was gonna bump this thread tonight. Tranny w the rod ends looks sexy...(opps Dave, don't read that wrong!). Gitt-er dun! :thumbsup:

:lol: Ron, I didn't know you liked to party in Thailand. :lol:

Uh your last update wasn't showing how you put in sound deadener was it? Hopefully that was already there. Otherwise, I can speak from experience that doing things twice isn't the ideal way :)

Haha NO thank god... we pulled out the carpet for the tunnel work, and to pull up a sh!tload of that jute crap!

Lotsa of little things going on right now with the car, but I am focused on getting the big stuff done so we can make Buttonwillow!!

[Flash68]

Well I had another inspiring day watching the Trans Am series run at Monterey Historics yesterday at Laguna Seca. Cannot believe I've never gone to that before and it's right here within 2 hours of me. Will be an annual event moving forward for sure.

Got many more ideas and function/form cues from these cars that I will be incorporating. The beauty of these cars to me is that they are so darn simple yet effective and proven. Add some newer technology and I think you've got a great combo.

I shoulda brought my GoPro and took some vid, but this iphone vid captures the sound nicely I think. :D

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[scottysimp7]

Looks and sounds awesome. Bummed I couldnt make it bro. :)

[Track Junky]

Gitt-er dun! :thumbsup:

Thats what I'm talkin' about!! :thumbsup:

Lookin' good Dave. A few more Budlights and Rich will have her on the road. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

We made some progress on the various projects to get ready for Buttonwillow next month. I wish I could just leave the shift rods exposed.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3504.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3505.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3531.jpg

Look's great.:thumbsup:

[Nick.V70]

Great progress man!!
Also great catching up with you the other day in Dublin:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Thanks bro's.... getting closer....

Nick - good seein ya and the car last week. I know you still got more plans and mods for it, but it's lookin sweet already as is! :thumbsup:

[CrossRamRich]

We got our work cut out, thrash time buddy!:willy:

[Track Junky]

9 work days to go guy's........:cheering:

[scottysimp7]

Get that beast finished so Richie can finish mine!!! Good luck down south Flash, you will kill it. :unibrow:

[sik68]

I've seen how you guys can thrash in the paddock... I wouldn't be surprised if the tunnel welds are still hot in session 1.

Need progress pics!

[CrossRamRich]

Nothin like an uncorked 377 shakin the crap out of the shop. We are almost there. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

9 work days to go guy's........:cheering:

Now make that 8 days. We are hoping to have the car street testing by Saturday. It is possible. :D

Get that beast finished so Richie can finish mine!!! Good luck down south Flash, you will kill it. :unibrow:

Scotty, I know I have been hogging Rich lately at the expense of your progress... I promise after Buttonwillow mine is gonna chill for awhile and you are Priority #1! I can't wait to see you in yours buddy. I really am anxious to see and HEAR that bad boy. :woot:

I've seen how you guys can thrash in the paddock... I wouldn't be surprised if the tunnel welds are still hot in session 1.

Need progress pics!

That is entirely possible although hopefully this weekend's goal is accomplished! Got some pics forthcoming....

Nothin like an uncorked 377 shakin the crap out of the shop. We are almost there. :thumbsup:

My ears are ringing right now as I am trying to get to sleep, but I wouldn't have it any other way.

(Highly recommended that you turn your speakers up to max volume :D)

ajVymj76gg4

[Flash68]

Made some really good progress tonight. Just one of those days where almost everything worked out well and came together. We needed one of those!

Long story short on the new 3" aluminum driveshaft I got recently... bought a new/2nd hand shaft on ebay for $200 in the length I thought was dead nuts what I needed, but I failed to account for the larger 1350 pinion yoke, so was going to get it shortened 1/2" (at the tune of $125) to make the trans yoke hit its target slip of 3/4"... driveshaft guy says we dont have a 1350 pinion u-joint, as I was told by seller, but instead it's a 1330/3R conversion u-joint... first I am kinda pissed, but then realize because of this the 1330 pinion yoke is shorter than the 1350 and that makes my driveshaft perfect length and hits my 3/4" slip target as I had previously thought. And the 1330 pinion yoke I needed is a little cheaper than the 1350 yoke I just bought (1350 is an overkill upgrade for what this car is doing anyway). Things were just fine with my old 1310 yoke/u-joints. Okay not so short of a story but it had a great ending and I wanted to share. :thumbsup:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3707.jpg

Got the oil cooling system finished and buttoned up consisting of a good sized Earl's cooler, Mocal 180* thermostat, 17 feet of Aeroquip -10AN stainless hose, 10 fittings, and Moroso remote oil filter system. Fired up the motor and it ran like a champ and got up to proper temp and pressure. First time I'd heard the kitten purr in almost 3 months. :unibrow:

The system added just under 2 quarts to the total amount of oil being used.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3718.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3721.jpg

Very tight fit.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3724.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3728.jpg

Todd -- Rich says hello.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3730.jpg

We ended with the new driveline and cleaned up exhaust all done and called it a night.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3733.jpg

Back at it this weekend! :lateral:

[Ron in SoCal]

Looks great Dave! Your motor will thank you for that oil cooler on those hot track days in the middle of the desert. Your Mocal T-Stat looks very similar to the Derale I bought:

http://www.etrailer.com/p-D25719.html

Drive shaft looks right at home too. Glad it fit, cause I know how mad you get about eBay deal fail...:lol: (teasing Bro!)

[sik68]

Looking good! Tru dat Ron. That ought to take care of the 91deg next Saturday. :dance:

[torino420]

Nice updates Dave, car sounds wicked as always :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Dave it looks like you did a nice job mounting the cooler. Plus on the drive shaft don't you love it when a plan comes together even if you didn't plan it or something like that! :goofy: Very Nice.

[Vegas69]

Not bad for a couple California rednecks....:D

[Track Junky]

Lookin' good :thumbsup:

So whats left to do?

[intocarss]

ajVymj76gg4 Sounds great!! That's why I love drag cars... No muffs!

Nice upgrades too. You should really find a way to get the one header tube off the pan or heat wrap that tube . That's just added unwanted heat to the oil not to mention that it could rub a hole from vibration, if its pushing hard enough on the pan..Just my 2 cents

[Flash68]

Looks great Dave! Your motor will thank you for that oil cooler on those hot track days in the middle of the desert. Your Mocal T-Stat looks very similar to the Derale I bought:

http://www.etrailer.com/p-D25719.html

Drive shaft looks right at home too. Glad it fit, cause I know how mad you get about eBay deal fail...:lol: (teasing Bro!)

That Derale looks like a nice piece for 1/3 of the price of my Mocal. (Thanks a lot Gaetano!) :lol:

Yeah I lucked out on the shaft. But I love rollin the dice on ebay parts. It's just a fun part of life for me. Sometimes it works and others it don't. But I think I've "won" more than I've "lost" so far. :thumbsup:

Looking good! Tru dat Ron. That ought to take care of the 91deg next Saturday. :dance:

Thanks bud. Are you still going for both track days? Seems most are only doing Saturday... 91* eh? Yeah the cooler was a big thing to get done!

Nice updates Dave, car sounds wicked as always :thumbsup:

Thanks J... how is that Torino goin these days? Any new mods or plans? I missed ya at Danville recently... saw your car but I had to leave early and you weren't at the car.

Dave it looks like you did a nice job mounting the cooler. Plus on the drive shaft don't you love it when a plan comes together even if you didn't plan it or something like that! :goofy: Very Nice.

Yeah we just saw the Trans Am Vintage races at Laguna Seca recently and tried to mimic a lot on those cars. And it was very relaxing and rewarding to have that driveshaft work out just right! :woot:

Not bad for a couple California rednecks....:D

Hey I resemble that remark.... and you would know how we roll. :unibrow:

Lookin' good :thumbsup:

So whats left to do?

Last night's punchlist for this weekend reads:

Trans tunnel fab and plate/shift boot
Center gauge pod
High temp brake fluid
Pedal mods
Carpet and interior

Sounds great!! That's why I love drag cars... No muffs!

Nice upgrades too. You should really find a way to get the one header tube off the pan or heat wrap that tube . That's just added unwanted heat to the oil not to mention that it could rub a hole from vibration, if its pushing hard enough on the pan..Just my 2 cents

Thanks. Yeah I wish we had time to install the cut outs :unibrow:

And I tend to agree with you. I guess we will run the first day next Sat and then check it before Sunday. Might have to eventually re-route it. That damn dipstick tube was part of the issue too. Good thing we didn't go -12AN lines otherwise it woulda been really tough.

[89 RS]

Good stuff Dave, that cooler will definitely be beneficial for you. How much do you think the aluminum driveshaft helps? I've thought about getting one myself as the 1LE Camaros came with aluminum driveshafts from the factory...so there are used ones out there to be had.

Look forward to seeing your mods that are going to be done this weekend.

[CrossRamRich]

Amazing what a 5 dollar can of bbq paint can do them thar pipes!:D

[Flash68]

Good stuff Dave, that cooler will definitely be beneficial for you. How much do you think the aluminum driveshaft helps? I've thought about getting one myself as the 1LE Camaros came with aluminum driveshafts from the factory...so there are used ones out there to be had.

Look forward to seeing your mods that are going to be done this weekend.

Thanks man. I'm not sure how much on the DS but I've read usually 6-8 lbs savings for a stock unit. I've really tried to go light on everything -- light flywheel was there, so added a light metal clutch disc and now the driveshaft. Esp since mine is such a high revver.

How much can you pick up a 1LE shaft for?


Amazing what a 5 dollar can of bbq paint can do them thar pipes!:D

And paperclips and wood glue. :lateral:

[sik68]

Thanks bud. Are you still going for both track days? Seems most are only doing Saturday... 91* eh? Yeah the cooler was a big thing to get done!



I gonna be der come friday, saturday, n' sunday I reckn or til my clothes git ripe. We gonna have da track turselves!

[/redneck]

[89 RS]

How much can you pick up a 1LE shaft for?



I have seen them for $150 bucks, I'm thinking it might be worth it. What do you think?

[Flash68]

I gonna be der come friday, saturday, n' sunday I reckn or til my clothes git ripe. We gonna have da track turselves!

[/redneck]

I think you'll fit right in. :D

I have seen them for $150 bucks, I'm thinking it might be worth it. What do you think?

I wouldn't rank it high on the priority list I don't think, unless you were at a point where you thought the stock DS wasn't going to hold. Unless you found a great deal on one, I would probably do it later. My stock steel DS was doing just fine, but since I needed a change in length I decided to shop for a "deal" and got lucky.

[Vegas69]

Disagree with that logic. Once you start pushing factory capacities and racing, it's time for a matching driveshaft that is engineered to take the abuse intended. A driveshaft failure ain't pretty.:D

[dwfastcam]

Dude, that thing sounds pissed off uncorked. Great progress on the upgrades, and good luck this weekend on gettin her done. Just checked your last email , my project is in the "pro-parts collecting" stage so I'm in no hurry for the trans. :thumbsup:

Kick ass SeaBass!
DW

[intocarss]

Disagree with that logic. Once you start pushing factory capacities and racing, it's time for a matching driveshaft that is engineered to take the abuse intended. A driveshaft failure ain't pretty.:DListen to this guy^

And IMOHO Once you get to a certain point... in most cases it's not one thing that makes a big change, it's all the little changes that add up

[Flash68]

Disagree with that logic. Once you start pushing factory capacities and racing, it's time for a matching driveshaft that is engineered to take the abuse intended. A driveshaft failure ain't pretty.:D

Agreed, but hell you can say that about a lot of things really. As a matter of priority, and the fact that many of us aren't "overpowering" our driveshafts, I'm not sure it's a HIGH priority, that's all I'm saying. I ain't dropping the clutch at 4000 rpm with sticky tires, and that's what usually kills driveshafts and drivelines parts.

I don't know the last time I read about a twisted DS on the PT forums... On Yellowbullet or LS1tech? Yeah, plenty.

Dude, that thing sounds pissed off uncorked. Great progress on the upgrades, and good luck this weekend on gettin her done. Just checked your last email , my project is in the "pro-parts collecting" stage so I'm in no hurry for the trans. :thumbsup:

Kick ass SeaBass!
DW

Haha thanks David. I'm sure we will be looking to get rid of at least one of the Muncies here at some point. :thumbsup:

Listen to this guy^

And IMOHO Once you get to a certain point... in most cases it's not one thing that makes a big change, it's all the little changes that add up

Listen to THAT guy? No way! :lol:

Agreed, and I'm really just adding little things for now .... and it's fun to add little things here and there.. One big thing left (hopefully at some point) is to add a full frame. Working on that plan but I like trying to compete with my stock sub and leafs for now.

But all that stuff is moot unless you are working on your driving and practicing to get better and learn your car. :cheers:

[DIGI-TAILS]

Looks awesome Dave. Enjoy!!! :cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

One big thing left (hopefully at some point) is to add a full frame.


Oh great.

Next thing you know you'll be thinkin its ok to run 18" wheels!


:lol: