1968 Camaro "Badmotorfinger" v2.2

[Ron in SoCal]

I'm diggin those lifters! Intake, heads and block aren't bad either...:D

[Ron in SoCal]

I only back the best.

It's the way we roll.


:rofl:


I see the builder knows how to do a REAL BBC.....

Close Greg. The saying is, 'cause that's how we (I) roll' :lol:

[Vegas69]

I only back the best.

It's the way we roll.


:rofl:


I see the builder knows how to do a REAL BBC.....

No hard feelings man, I'll give you another shot at me once my contract with Mt. Dew and Burger King expires.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Close greg. The saying is, 'cause that's how we (I) roll' :lol:

Uh actually Ron, Greg purchased "It's the way we roll."

'cuz that's how we(I) roll' ... is so played!

I think GW also bought 'cuz that's the way we were.'

:woot:

[Ron in SoCal]

Did Barbara Striesand come w the purchase? :rofl:

[sik68]

Congrats Dave this is awesome, such a hardcore build. Let me know the next time you stop in at Watson, I drive through Concord M-F.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Did Barbara Striesand come w the purchase? :rofl:

Perhaps a certain lat-g member might arrange for Babs (as we call her in the biz) to sing at a couple of lat-g members' weddings.

Not sure if she ever sang out the window of a toter....



:lateral:

[intocarss]

All this suspence and you're going with Mike @ Watson racing? I for sure was waiting to see a Summit crate eng pic HA HA


In all seriousness you are in great hands, Mike builds some great stuff (as you have seen).. My boss "Lambeck" raced against Mark for years.

At one time Mark and Bob teamed up and Bob drove Marks' white SS/BM National Record Holder 1998 OLDSMOBILE ACHIEVA and set some records with it too. (we have pics with Blackstone/Lambeck on the door) Then Bob bought the car as a roller from Mark. The racing world sure is small one.. Congrats Dave. And if you've never been... make sure you're there for "Dyno day" it's a blast!! I still get excited everytime we dyno one

BTW If you're still looking for used SBC parts let me know what you need.... we got shelves of new and used stuff and maybe we can help. Rons seen it lol

[Nessumsar]

Geeze Dave, thats going to be a killer engine! I'm all kinds of jealous now...:hail:

I'm gunna need to upgrade to keep up with you guys now! Maybe its time to ditch these iron heads on my 388?? haha

Keep us posted!

[Ron in SoCal]

All this suspence and you're going with Mike @ Watson racing? I for sure was waiting to see a Summit crate eng pic HA HA


In all seriousness you are in great hands, Mike builds some great stuff (as you have seen).. My boss "Lambeck" raced against Mark for years.

At one time Mark and Bob teamed up and Bob drove Marks' white SS/BM National Record Holder 1998 OLDSMOBILE ACHIEVA and set some records with it too. (we have pics with Blackstone/Lambeck on the door) Then Bob bought the car as a roller from Mark. The racing world sure is small one.. Congrats Dave. And if you've never been... make sure you're there for "Dyno day" it's a blast!! I still get excited everytime we dyno one

BTW If you're still looking for used SBC parts let me know what you need.... we got shelves of new and used stuff and maybe we can help. Rons seen it lol

Yep. 1998 Super Stock World Champ. I believe that car also got 'Best Engineered' Award. I could not stop staring at it. My favorite part? The lightened crank. Man I want that for the centerpiece on my kitchen table...:cool:

BTW Dr. Renner - there was not a single purple anno part on that car :lol:

[intocarss]

You guys are frickin hilarious.... thanks for helping make this thread the polar opposite of the tech-heavy and tuning-heavy thread of Todd's. :D

HEY we do what we can, from highjacking threads to talking smack or just completely going off topic... WE'RE HERE TO HELP!!

Maybe Buttonwillow will turn out to be an Oddo vs Pettis vs Blackstone vs Lambeck vs NYES
vs QMP (HELL we'll let the LXs guys play too) grudge fest. ,

Yes Ron that car did win Best Engineered when Big Bob had it

LOL Ron
How bad you want one of them light weight cranks? We got spares!! ;)

[sixnina]

You guys are frickin hilarious.... thanks for helping make this thread the polar opposite of the tech-heavy and tuning-heavy thread of Todd's. :D

Dropped off some more parts today and solidified most of the build plan today. The builder/shop is Mike Blackstone @ Watson Racing & Engineering in Concord, CA. An awesome facility to say the least. 26,000 sq ft full of top shelf parts and machines, yet is a small mom and pop type shop with only 3 employees including Ben Watson the owner. Pete is the general machinist. Not sure how they crank out so much killer stuff but they do. 10, 12, 15, and 18 degree heads on the shelf, blocks of all kinds, and they do Pro Stock, Stock Eliminator, circle track, road race motors... not much they don't do.

Mike has already spent a few hours with me schooling me on 18 degree stuff and engine building in general. He's a super nice guy and already treats me like I've already spent $20k with him before.

Mike is a big fan of Keith Dorton (as am I) and is a big proponent of the 394 SBC, so that's what we are going with after telling him what parts I already have and what my intentions are. Here's my parts list, most of which has been acquired over past couple months:

-PBM iron race block, 350 mains, 4.155 bore, .903 bushed lifter bores, splayed caps on all 5 mains, bore cam tunnel to BBC cam size of 50mm
-3.625 stroke crank (looking for one)
-6" rods (have a set - may use, may not)
-Dished piston to achieve no more than 11:1 (Mike will spec and order)
-GM Bowtie 18 degree heads (being checked and flowed by Mike soon to verify 373cfm flow sheet provided by seller :unibrow:) (ebay)
-GM Bowtie 18 degree intake (ebay)
-Jesel shaft rockers 1.6/1.6 ratio (ebay)
-Morel/Roush Yates .903 roller lifters w/ .180 offset intake (ebay)
-Stainless 18 degree 1-3/4" stepped to 1-7/8" headers w/ merge collectors (they're a tad rough, but scored these on Craigslist in Nascar country for $350!)
-Holley 830HP (I bought awhile ago off Yellowbullet but not sure if will be used)
-Solid Roller spec'd by Mike

I am leaning toward dry sump, but Mike suggested and also likes a wet sump with an external oil pump for what I have and on a budget, so I need to look into that.

When it's all said and done we are shooting for near 700 hp at no more than 7000 rpm on 91 octane. Mike says the 18 degree heads are so damn efficient that they don't need the cubes the 23 degree stuff does, but they can be a little more tuning sensitive, another reason it will be dialed in correctly. And they like a lot less timing than a 23 degree I guess - like 32 degrees. I plan on him dyno tuning it in his shop after assembly. You get the dyno room for the whole day whether it takes 3 hours or 8 hrs to get her dialed in. :woot:

I gotta thank our resident good samaritan and butt of many jokes, Greg Weld. He offered to sponsor me for some stuff after I blew up at RTTC and I am greatly appreciative. He supports this niche a lot thru his time and money and spreads it around to help many people. Ok enough about that guy. Thanks G-Dub. I'll put your decal on my car now (see below). :D

Ok here's the pics so far. Hope I did not disappoint.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4005.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4011.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF4009.jpg

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http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/catrods.jpg

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That's awesome Dave,
Looks like you are definitely taking things to the next level. Can't wait to see this one dyno:thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

That's awesome Dave,
Looks like you are definitely taking things to the next level. Can't wait to see this one dyno:thumbsup:

X2 :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

X3 +1 I can't wait to hear on-board audio from the track! :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Dave --

If you want better rods -- go for it! I'll be happy to spring for them.

If you don't use the 6" - just toss them on flea bay or here - and use the dough for something else.

We don't want any excuses for not beating anything and everyone!

:rofl:

[Sieg]

Dave - Whats the debate on the rods?

[intocarss]

Dave --



We don't want any excuses for not beating anything and everyone!

:rofl:

Mr. Greg.....Are you throwing down the gauntlet? :woot:

[Ron in SoCal]

Those Crowers - assuming undamaged - should hold the power just fine...:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

and you missed the deadline by 1:08.............NICKEL TITS

That motor is so you and your car!

I imagine you've thoroughly enjoyed the quest researching and acquiring parts and getting to know the builder.

Looking forward to this one.

I started that post before midnight but I get distracted looking for my next Nascar part on various sites. :D

Thanks... and you're dead on -- I love the part of researching and educating myself on what's out there and looking for good deals. Others spend their hours in the garage - I spend mine online learning and finding cheap stuff. :thumbsup:


So this is nascar. :unibrow: Sounds like a solid plan for your Winston Cup car. I'm surprised you couldn't find a wealthier sponsor with your crew chief and driving skill. :lol:

That baby should be all you need to have some fun.

No, if I went Nascar on your ass I'd be 850 hp like Mikey Maier. :unibrow: This is my "street" version. Pump gas and a milder cam so it actually makes good power below 6k rpm.

And I think I did find the right sponsor at the right time... you have seen his whopper of a Toter Home thread haven't you? That wasn't a coincidence! :lol:

Congrats Dave this is awesome, such a hardcore build. Let me know the next time you stop in at Watson, I drive through Concord M-F.

Thanks dude. It really is meant to be a budget 18 degree build, and I am getting most of these parts for incredible prices. Dimes on the dollar. :thumbsup:

I'll let you know next time I go and see Mike... probably a few weeks or when some new parts come in.


All this suspence and you're going with Mike @ Watson racing? I for sure was waiting to see a Summit crate eng pic HA HA


In all seriousness you are in great hands, Mike builds some great stuff (as you have seen).. My boss "Lambeck" raced against Mark for years.

At one time Mark and Bob teamed up and Bob drove Marks' white SS/BM National Record Holder 1998 OLDSMOBILE ACHIEVA and set some records with it too. (we have pics with Blackstone/Lambeck on the door) Then Bob bought the car as a roller from Mark. The racing world sure is small one.. Congrats Dave. And if you've never been... make sure you're there for "Dyno day" it's a blast!! I still get excited everytime we dyno one

BTW If you're still looking for used SBC parts let me know what you need.... we got shelves of new and used stuff and maybe we can help. Rons seen it lol

Thanks Jerry. Good to know Mike and Watson are well known in the racing community. I know Todd talks about how professional and well run the Pettis shop is, and I don't doubt it, but I think any of you would get that same feeling walking into this shop and seeing the parts, machines, and motors laying around. Best of the best parts in there. I am the el cheapo guy in there now. Surprised my application was accepted. :lol:

And yeah I can't wait for the dyno day. The Day of Reckoning. :D

Cool. I'll send you a list of parts we are still looking for. Thanks :thumbsup:

Geeze Dave, thats going to be a killer engine! I'm all kinds of jealous now...

I'm gunna need to upgrade to keep up with you guys now! Maybe its time to ditch these iron heads on my 388?? haha

Keep us posted!

Thanks Jon. I have been and am still all kinds of jealous of your 315 squared deal.... I want to get there someday. It's on the list. :thumbsup:

HEY we do what we can, from highjacking threads to talking smack or just completely going off topic... WE'RE HERE TO HELP!!

Maybe Buttonwillow will turn out to be an Oddo vs Pettis vs Blackstone vs Lambeck vs NYES
vs QMP (HELL we'll let the LXs guys play too) grudge fest. ,

Yes Ron that car did win Best Engineered when Big Bob had it

LOL Ron
How bad you want one of them light weight cranks? We got spares!! ;)

I like the sound of that. That is shaping up to be a helluva weekend.

Depends on how lightweight and cost.... Mike has a 3.625 light crank in stock but it's $1500. That's too rich for my blood and overkill for my app. Looking for something cheaper and doesn't have to be feather weight. Might go with a Callies Compstar. Mike likes those for the price.

He likes all the obvious good brands of stuff -- Bryant, Carrillo, Oliver, and Callies -- hates Eagle stuff... he will not install it.

Dave --

If you want better rods -- go for it! I'll be happy to spring for them.

If you don't use the 6" - just toss them on flea bay or here - and use the dough for something else.

We don't want any excuses for not beating anything and everyone!



They should be fine but I am just thinking is it worth it on this motor to save just a few hundred bucks. I need to call Mike back and discuss it with him.

Thanks for the offer Greg. I need to cut you off before you own 51% share of this motor. :rofl:

No excuses... and no mercy. Kobra Kai Dojo. :thumbsup:

Dave - Whats the debate on the rods?

They are CAT rods. My early research shows not a lot of love for them. I need to have Mike weigh them too. Again, I don't need feather weight here, but I don't want a boat anchor like Todd's car and motor either.

To be continued..... :lateral:

[Flash68]

Those Crowers - assuming undamaged - should hold the power just fine...:thumbsup:

They are I-beams (prefer H-beams) and they are only 5.7 inch. :mad:

[Ron in SoCal]

They are I-beams (prefer H-beams) and they are only 5.7 inch. :mad:

My Bad. Thought they were the right combo for your stroke...:thumbsup:

Weld - Ur up :D

[intocarss]

Thanks Jerry. Good to know Mike and Watson are well known in the racing community. I know Todd talks about how professional and well run the Pettis shop is, and I don't doubt it, but I think any of you would get that same feeling walking into this shop and seeing the parts, machines, and motors laying around. Best of the best parts in there. I am the el cheapo guy in there now. Surprised my application was accepted

Depends on how lightweight and cost.... Mike has a 3.625 light crank in stock but it's $1500. That's too rich for my blood and overkill for my app. Looking for something cheaper and doesn't have to be feather weight. Might go with a Callies Compstar. Mike likes those for the price.

He likes all the obvious good brands of stuff -- Bryant, Carrillo, Oliver, and Callies -- hates Eagle stuff... he will not install it.







I know the feeling I am blessd to be able to be around this racing stuff all day long and have a hand in it and on it


Just to clarify... The spare cranks I was posting to Ron about is our 28 -35# Comp eng stuff. Won't work in your app. I did PM you about a crank Bob has for sale. Remember there is nothing wrong with going 'over kill' with the rotating assembly (think longevity). Build the bottom end as light & strong as you can and make the Horse power with the top end ;)

[intocarss]

My Bad. Thought they were the right combo for your stroke...:thumbsup:

Leave yours and his personal life out of this Bubba!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Flash68]

I know the feeling I am blessd to be able to be around this racing stuff all day long and have a hand in it and on it


Just to clarify... The spare cranks I was posting to Ron about is our 28 -35# Comp eng stuff. Won't work in your app. I did PM you about a crank Bob has for sale. Remember there is nothing wrong with going 'over kill' with the rotating assembly (think longevity). Build the bottom end as light & strong as you can and make the Horse power with the top end ;)

Dang those are light. I just want a crank 50# or less!

I'll check my PM now.:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

CAT rods? :lol:

[GregWeld]

Yeah --- The Cat in the Hat left some SCAT....


He's a dumbass -- but we love the unclean.

:rofl:

[Sieg]

Yeah --- The Cat in the Hat left some SCAT....


He's a dumbass -- but we love the unclean.

:rofl:

LOL

Sorry Dave didn't intend to set you up for the multi-dog-pile. :D

Might look into Pankl: http://www.pankl.com/Engine.395.0.html
They own the Carrillo brand. My take on Pankl is American V8's are childs play for their engineering. KTM has a stake in the company and uses their rods and pistons in some very high-stressed high reving single cylinder 4-strokes.

[tones2SS]

Very awesome Dave. That should be a killer engine for Badmotorfinger!:thumbsup:

[badmatt]

Dave, Joo need a dry sump?

There a couple Auto verdi's on ebay.. FYI.

and yes i still havent scanned the dyno sheets yet.

Matt

[Flash68]

CAT rods? :lol:

Yeah --- The Cat in the Hat left some SCAT....


He's a dumbass -- but we love the unclean.

:rofl:

I have no idea what you're talking about... :_paranoid

LOL

Sorry Dave didn't intend to set you up for the multi-dog-pile. :D

Might look into Pankl: http://www.pankl.com/Engine.395.0.html
They own the Carrillo brand. My take on Pankl is American V8's are childs play for their engineering. KTM has a stake in the company and uses their rods and pistons in some very high-stressed high reving single cylinder 4-strokes.

The dog pile is what I have come to expect. :unibrow:

I have seen some of the Pankl stuff -- def looks up the task. Talked to Mike again today and he said it's my call on the rods... so I in the meantime I am looking for some 6 inchers with the 2.0" rod journal (said Honda was a little too small here - would prefer 2.0" for this setup). Will be on the lookout.


Very awesome Dave. That should be a killer engine for Badmotorfinger!:thumbsup:

Thanks Tony!

Dave, Joo need a dry sump?

There a couple Auto verdi's on ebay.. FYI.

and yes i still havent scanned the dyno sheets yet.

Matt

I have a couple sources for good used dry sump setups. Once I get mine, I will share with you said source. :lol:

Send that dyno sheet! :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

SCAT rods.....






Not Cat rods

[fleetus macmullitz]

SCAT rods.....






Not Cat rods

Shoot, almost had a good ole fashioned (S)CAT fight!

X4Piuuqqs10

[Vegas69]

http://www.manleyperformance.com/dl/2012/rods.pdf

[Flash68]

SCAT rods.....






Not Cat rods

Watson's guys think they might be these. The rod bolts say "C.A.T." on them.

http://www.rpmmachine.com/cat-cr-4340-hbeam.shtml


http://www.manleyperformance.com/dl/2012/rods.pdf

Yeah yeah... I know where to find good rods. Thanks Pettis, Jr. :lol:

The "Watson approved rod list" does include Manley. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Yes --- that's them...


Sorry -- they've been laying around awhile.... so forgot the source!


They're out of my old 427 SBC Dart motor.... but they're probably stretched a few thousandths now... oh -- and out of round on the big end... and rusted up too.


:rofl:


I still have the COLA 4" forged crank they were hung on....

[GregWeld]

This might be new news for you young guys -- but choosing your rod is critical, unlike choosing which bimbo you're going to notch your belt with (pre engagement days). :unibrow:

WTF.... It's my wallet -- go for the best!

[sik68]

This might be new news for you young guys -- but choosing your rod is critical, unlike choosing which bimbo you're going to notch your belt with (pre engagement days). :unibrow:

WTF.... It's my wallet -- go for the best!

:hail: Very cool!

I can think of some expensive rods...Crower stuff can get pretty astronomical. They are, per the analogy, the Megan Fox of belt notches.

[Flash68]

Yes --- that's them...


Sorry -- they've been laying around awhile.... so forgot the source!


They're out of my old 427 SBC Dart motor.... but they're probably stretched a few thousandths now... oh -- and out of round on the big end... and rusted up too.


:rofl:


I still have the COLA 4" forged crank they were hung on....

This might be new news for you young guys -- but choosing your rod is critical, unlike choosing which bimbo you're going to notch your belt with (pre engagement days). :unibrow:

WTF.... It's my wallet -- go for the best!

Ha, don't be sorry. Mike says they are usable with $150 of machine work and the 2000 rod bolt upgrade (they have the 8740 now). They don't look that bad but like you said, rods are pretty critical.


:hail: Very cool!

I can think of some expensive rods...Crower stuff can get pretty astronomical. They are, per the analogy, the Megan Fox of belt notches.

Crower's high end stuff is damn expensive... but their Sportsman stuff is pretty reasonable.

Megan Fox... not a bad choice there. :lateral:

[preston]

One regret I have on my engine was building it with Eagle/SCAT rods and crank. Not that they haven't performed, I've had no problems. But I want to support American manufacturing and companies as much as I can (used a DART block and AFR heads at least).

There was the cost of course. I don't know what other people's experiences are,and maybe this was more with the crank then the rods as I already had the rods for this buildup, it seemed like it was going to be a nominal 6 week lead time to get a crank (which means 10 weeks in the real world). Whereas SCAT and Eagle both had the crank in every configuration ready to ship (ie juggling main and rod sizes and balance options).

Some people seem like they spend years buying parts and putting together an engine. I tend to pull a damaged engine and want to get it back in the car asap. My machinist already takes long enough to get it out the door as it is, and he will barely glance at your engine after teardown until all the parts are sitting on the build table. I just couldn't take spending MORE THAN TWICE as much for a crank and then also having to wait who knows how long (BTW this was for a 427 Windsor with small 2.5" mains and chevy rod journals, zero balance).

That was my experience anyway. Next time I replace rods I will go USA and name brand - If I can get them! Maybe I just didn't talk to the right people or try hard enough but seems like they all had a long lead time.

Greg since you are on this thread (well, you are on every thread), do you have an engine builder you like in the NW ? Who do you plan on taking your Mustang engine too ? PM if you want to avoid thread jacking.

[GregWeld]

Greg since you are on this thread (well, you are on every thread), do you have an engine builder you like in the NW ? Who do you plan on taking your Mustang engine too ? PM if you want to avoid thread jacking.



I have special jacking privileges grandfathered in.... granted to me by Todd back in the day.


Dale Green Performance - Auburn


And Tony Odo on the Mustang engine since he built it and I got a lifetime of engine rebuilds from Charley when I bought the car. That covers basically bumper to bumper including wreck repair.

[Flash68]

One regret I have on my engine was building it with Eagle/SCAT rods and crank. Not that they haven't performed, I've had no problems. But I want to support American manufacturing and companies as much as I can (used a DART block and AFR heads at least).

There was the cost of course. I don't know what other people's experiences are,and maybe this was more with the crank then the rods as I already had the rods for this buildup, it seemed like it was going to be a nominal 6 week lead time to get a crank (which means 10 weeks in the real world). Whereas SCAT and Eagle both had the crank in every configuration ready to ship (ie juggling main and rod sizes and balance options).

Some people seem like they spend years buying parts and putting together an engine. I tend to pull a damaged engine and want to get it back in the car asap. My machinist already takes long enough to get it out the door as it is, and he will barely glance at your engine after teardown until all the parts are sitting on the build table. I just couldn't take spending MORE THAN TWICE as much for a crank and then also having to wait who knows how long (BTW this was for a 427 Windsor with small 2.5" mains and chevy rod journals, zero balance).

That was my experience anyway. Next time I replace rods I will go USA and name brand - If I can get them! Maybe I just didn't talk to the right people or try hard enough but seems like they all had a long lead time.

Greg since you are on this thread (well, you are on every thread), do you have an engine builder you like in the NW ? Who do you plan on taking your Mustang engine too ? PM if you want to avoid thread jacking.

I hear you and won't argue your support of American products, and I don't wanna tangent into anything political or too controversial, but I have no issue with buying overseas stuff if it's decent quality. With regard to machine work - that's where the Americans come in and make sure it's up to snuff. :D

I am a business owner and I feel that if someone somewhere else can do better than me (or just as good) for a better price, then good for them. Asian and overseas products get a bad rap for a lot of stuff, but our dear Americans churn out a lot of junk too unfortunately. Like anything... caveat emptor. :thumbsup:


I have special jacking privileges

Greg! That is TMI buddy... TMI! :rofl:

[makoshark]

The forged Eagle stuff is nice, strong stuff. However, they are rarely within spec. Ask any machinist, they will tell you. My Eagle forged crank had to be blueprinted due to it being so far out of spec.

[GregWeld]

So then --- what part of that is "nice"?


Don't answer - it's rhetorical question. Just saying' --- that if you buy parts and have to completely rework them -- then the prices are "cheap".... so you might as well have paid for a good piece that IS nice.

[makoshark]

The nice part about them was they were free to me:yes:

[intocarss]

The forged Eagle stuff is nice, strong stuff. However, they are rarely within spec. Ask any machinist, they will tell you. My Eagle forged crank had to be blueprinted due to it being so far out of spec. 100% correct... Eagle is not machined here, It's done in China. I ran SCAT stuff in my 1,000 Hp n/a 540 drag eng, because they are machined in the USA (and my budget) . They are still going strong after 7 years and 300+ runs seeing 8,200 rpm and some of those were with a 250 shot of N2o

Can't stress enough, That with the proper parts, clearances, balancing and and a very very clean assembly and routine maintenance is the key to making an engine live I do also agree that as far as "longevity" the China stuff won't last as long as the high $$ stuff

At the end of each season at the very least I changed valve springs, Lifters (rollers) Timing belt (Jessel) & rod bolts (ARP 2000) Every other season was bearings and rings if needed

And for what it's worth some of the big brand Co's do have their lower level $ stuff made in China but it's machined here

Disclaimer.. I am in NO way pushing China products and I am in full support of buying AMERICAN but sometimes you can't

[makoshark]

Scat is definitely the way to go for durable entry level parts ready to go out of the box. Mine was remachined in the USA:lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

:hail: Very cool!

I can think of some expensive rods...Crower stuff can get pretty astronomical. They are, per the analogy, the Megan Fox of belt notches.

Ahaha...thx Steven! Maybe I'll rename my car Megan :D I used Crower billet Max-lites. At first we ordered Oliver road race rods. When they arrived we weighed them - 630 gms each IIRC. So we backtracked to Crower. Final rod weight was 580 gms. I was all over that.

I agree w Greg. Rod selection is critical...::lateral:

[Flash68]

Bottom line... no matter what rods we get... they are getting the full body cavity search by Mike and will be 100% made ready to go. :thumbsup:

EfzXpE0QB2U

[Ron in SoCal]

^ What are you trying to say Dave?

I'll let Todd take this one...:lol:

[Flash68]

100% correct... Eagle is not machined here, It's done in China. I ran SCAT stuff in my 1,000 Hp n/a 540 drag eng, because they are machined in the USA (and my budget) . They are still going strong after 7 years and 300+ runs seeing 8,200 rpm and some of those were with a 250 shot of N2o

Can't stress enough, That with the proper parts, clearances, balancing and and a very very clean assembly and routine maintenance is the key to making an engine live I do also agree that as far as "longevity" the China stuff won't last as long as the high $$ stuff

At the end of each season at the very least I changed valve springs, Lifters (rollers) Timing belt (Jessel) & rod bolts (ARP 2000) Every other season was bearings and rings if needed

And for what it's worth some of the big brand Co's do have their lower level $ stuff made in China but it's machined here

Disclaimer.. I am in NO way pushing China products and I am in full support of buying AMERICAN but sometimes you can't

I agree Jerry. My PBM block was cast in China but it is machined here... and will be checked over and have final machining done at Watson. 2 American layers of work after the Chinese layer. :thumbsup:

Ahaha...thx Steven! Maybe I'll rename my car Megan :D I used Crower billet Max-lites. At first we ordered Oliver road race rods. When they arrived we weighed them - 630 gms each IIRC. So we backtracked to Crower. Final rod weight was 580 gms. I was all over that.

I agree w Greg. Rod selection is critical...::lateral:

That's another thing.... these CAT rods are pretty heavy. Another reason I am looking at a something sub 600 grams ideally.

^ What are you trying to say Dave?

I'll let Todd take this one...:lol:

I'm not sure if that's worse for Todd... or me. :_paranoid

[6D9]

Damn Dave that sounds like she is going to be one rowdy girl! Should be badass and something different from the ls route.

[Rod P]

pictures Dave we need pictures!!!!!! :willy: I cant handle it without pictures

[fleetus macmullitz]

pictures Dave we need pictures!!!!!! :willy: I cant handle it without pictures

Agreed, my show-touring section in photobucket is kinda sparse with BubbleButt not completed yet.

[Flash68]

Damn Dave that sounds like she is going to be one rowdy girl! Should be badass and something different from the ls route.

Thanks Ron. I really think this is going to be a bang for buck motor too when final numbers are compared with those other guys (LS).

pictures Dave we need pictures!!!!!! :willy: I cant handle it without pictures

Rod that's all I got buddy! :willy:

Agreed, my show-touring section in photobucket is kinda sparse with BubbleButt not completed yet.

paging Dr Renner...

[DFRESH]

paging Dr Renner...

Is this some sort of a slam or a degrading remark? Being mentioned in the same vicinity as BubbleButt leaves me feeling uncertain about how to effectively respond, given your current city locale and the name of your car being stinkyfinger---or something like that.

Dub

[fleetus macmullitz]

Is this some sort of a slam or a degrading remark? Being mentioned in the same vicinity as BubbleButt leaves me feeling uncertain about how to effectively respond, given your current city locale and the name of your car being stinkyfinger---or something like that.

Dub

:lol:


The Dub is good, long live the Dub.

:woot:

[Vegas69]

This might be new news for you young guys -- but choosing your rod is critical, unlike choosing which bimbo you're going to notch your belt with (pre engagement days). :unibrow:

WTF.... It's my wallet -- go for the best!

I just can't believe you beat Doug to Daddy Warbucks wallet. I would've bet the farm on Douglas. :unibrow: :lol:

[Flash68]

I just can't believe you beat Doug to Daddy Warbucks wallet. I would've bet the farm on Douglas. :unibrow: :lol:

G-Dub knows how to align himself with winners :D

Shouldn't you be out trying to keep up with some Mopars about now?

[Vegas69]

Was hoping to get out there today but I had a good client in town and that F'd that idea. Tomorrow looks like wind and rain so I may go to the SCCA event on Sunday and skip the Mats deal.

[DFRESH]

I just can't believe you beat Doug to Daddy Warbucks wallet. I would've bet the farm on Douglas. :unibrow: :lol:

I have Greg's respect--to some, that's much more important.

That being said, Greg, if you are giving away blocks, crankshafts and various car parts, i'll be glad to allow some slide on the respect scale. :lol:

Love the GW---can't imagine what we would do without him---I still remember when I thought he was the other Greg Weld--way back when---

And remember when DG was a wee lad with a pro charged 68 and a Porsh?

Todd was just a normal Camaro guy---

Skip, well, Skip is still exactly as he was---happy, trusting in the right God, the only one that matters

Payton had a street car---

We wondering about Auto X and Road Courses---

Optima meant a battery--not a sudden urge to spend 100k for a single event

Man, that was only like 4 years ago---shoot--maybe 3---

Anyways, GW, if you would like to continue to be a part of transforming my race car into an extreme hardcore PT car (Silver State, One Lap, etc), just let Rodger know. Oops, let the secret slip---no photos yet. Soon---but we will keep the Pro Charger and limit it to about 16 pds---for something over 1000RWHP. Racepak/MSD is on board along with Morrison, ProCharger and CARS. Just need a new front sub and someone to fab it into the rest of the car---You in?

DUB A LICIOUS

[Ron in SoCal]

I just can't believe you beat Doug to Daddy Warbucks wallet. I would've bet the farm on Douglas. :unibrow: :lol:

^ That'd be a good bet. I think Dub Renner just took the lead...:lateral:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Wow, Doug, now that's what I call a creative accounting. :cool:

If your building a brand folks, that's how you do it. As this is seen all over the world, 'The Renner Legend' label surely is multiplying in scope and depth. :unibrow:

Seriously Doug, thanks for the complimentis. ;)

[Flash68]

Is this some sort of a slam or a degrading remark? Being mentioned in the same vicinity as BubbleButt leaves me feeling uncertain about how to effectively respond, given your current city locale and the name of your car being stinkyfinger---or something like that.

Dub

Stinkyfinger promises to be nice to Wanda once she takes her pro touring training wheels off.


I have Greg's respect--to some, that's much more important.

That being said, Greg, if you are giving away blocks, crankshafts and various car parts, i'll be glad to allow some slide on the respect scale. :lol:

Love the GW---can't imagine what we would do without him---I still remember when I thought he was the other Greg Weld--way back when---

And remember when DG was a wee lad with a pro charged 68 and a Porsh?

Todd was just a normal Camaro guy---

Skip, well, Skip is still exactly as he was---happy, trusting in the right God, the only one that matters

Payton had a street car---

We wondering about Auto X and Road Courses---

Optima meant a battery--not a sudden urge to spend 100k for a single event

Man, that was only like 4 years ago---shoot--maybe 3---

Anyways, GW, if you would like to continue to be a part of transforming my race car into an extreme hardcore PT car (Silver State, One Lap, etc), just let Rodger know. Oops, let the secret slip---no photos yet. Soon---but we will keep the Pro Charger and limit it to about 16 pds---for something over 1000RWHP. Racepak/MSD is on board along with Morrison, ProCharger and CARS. Just need a new front sub and someone to fab it into the rest of the car---You in?

DUB A LICIOUS

Hey get out of here with that... get your own Greg Weld. :lol:

Nice review of the last 4 years of Lat G indeed..... :thumbsup:

If you do actually build this hardcore PT car, will you please name it "FAIR"? :thumbsup:

[DFRESH]

Hey get out of here with that... get your own Greg Weld. :lol:

Nice review of the last 4 years of Lat G indeed..... :thumbsup:

If you do actually build this hardcore PT car, will you please name it "FAIR"? :thumbsup:

LOL--get your own GW---that was a good one.

If it happens, we will call it "Stupid".

If GW climbs on board, we will call in "Investing 666"

BG WNDA

[ironworks]

Boy walking into this thread and looking around on this thread is like walking to a room and finding 2 people you did not even know were dating are kissing all over each other on the couch.

Just a little bit awkward, As you were. :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid

Way too much heavy petting in for me.

[DFRESH]

Boy walking into this thread and looking around on this thread is like walking to a room and finding 2 people you did not even know were dating are kissing all over each other on the couch.

Just a little bit awkward, As you were. :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid

Way too much heavy petting in for me.


XXX-OOO so you don't feel left out. You must be missing those bear hugs from Todd about now--u know, the ones where he picks you up off of your feet? I never wanted to say anything, but it's ok---not that there's anything wrong with that.

DR

[DFRESH]

Is this thead about Dave's car? I thought it was the Open Discussion section.

[Vegas69]

:lol:

[Sieg]

Priceless :D

[Rod P]

Is this thead about Dave's car? I thought it was the Open Discussion section.

Daves car?? who's Dave? what kinda car?

[tones2SS]

Is this thead about Dave's car? I thought it was the Open Discussion section.

lol :D

[GregWeld]

I'm glad I was gone to "the other Washington" and missed this whole "affair"...


Renner.... I have some left over wire from re-doing Rudy's Camaro... some of it's long enough you can still read the labels. Oh - and I have the diagrams too... you're welcome to them if you need it.

[makoshark]

Daves car?? who's Dave? what kinda car?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gWB7IzxtU

[Rod P]

its OK Dave I never gonna give up on you man!! LOL!!

RICK ROLLED! (http://youtu.be/VgJ2k_zzzHE)

:unibrow:

[DFRESH]

I'm glad I was gone to "the other Washington" and missed this whole "affair"...


Renner.... I have some left over wire from re-doing Rudy's Camaro... some of it's long enough you can still read the labels. Oh - and I have the diagrams too... you're welcome to them if you need it.

Woo Hoooo! Big Wanda loves getting wired.

XX-OO

[Flash68]

I'm finding out cranks are in short supply these days unless you are very flexible with what you want. Got my order in for crank and rods. Going with medium to light weight stuff and small journal sizing. Mike didn't wanna do Honda journals (1.888) on this setup for longevity reasons.

Scat F43 lightweight 3.625 stroke, small journal (2.000), approx 44 lbs
Callies Compstar 6" H-beams w/ ARP2000 bolts, approx 590 grams

Heads are in the "cylinder head room" today and we should have flow and chamber numbers soon. Piston design and order will follow (Diamond first option, CP is backup). Mike likes the "boxed Nascar style" pistons he said for added strength and they apparently last quite a bit longer. He listened to me when we talked because his recommendations are consistent with the longevity theme I stressed.

Cam design will follow as well. Bullet is Plan A, CamMotion is Plan B.

Was really close to getting some dry sump parts together, but decided to KISS and stay wet sump and an accumulator. It works for many here and I didn't wanna make this a longer and costlier time than it is already. Dry sump will be V3.0 in a few years.

With the slight backlog at the shop and the slow delivery time for the crank (6-8 weeks), this is probably looking like a 10-12 week ETA from now to be safe. So that means June 30 @ Thunderhill ain't lookin good. I'll try to get a shakedown in July sometime as August will be hectic (wedding) and worst case I am shaking it down while passing Todd on the straight at Buttonwillow in Sept. :unibrow:

Now back to looking for that Braswell carb I want.....

[EBMC]

Hey Dave i may have a Braswell carb for you. I cant remember if I sold it or not. I can let you know tomorow.

[GregWeld]

I know of a couple of real p u s s i e s on here that once they commit to marriage the car parts go to the wayside... WTF?! Today I took Gwen out and bought her a helmet -- next thing you know she's shopping for driving shoes. :woot:

I'd say you p U s s i e s need to marry a little better maybe?

[Flash68]

Hey Dave i may have a Braswell carb for you. I cant remember if I sold it or not. I can let you know tomorow.

Steve, that'd be cool. Hopefully if you do have it, it's the right specs or at least close to it. Thanks.

I know of a couple of real p u s s i e s on here that once they commit to marriage the car parts go to the wayside... WTF?! Today I took Gwen out and bought her a helmet -- next thing you know she's shopping for driving shoes. :woot:

I'd say you p U s s i e s need to marry a little better maybe?

And you are referring to whom? :_paranoid

Hey Focker - my lady was at RTTC with me in full support mode. :D :woot: :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Good luck Pal. :unibrow: :lol:

[GregWeld]

Hey Focker - my lady was at RTTC with me in full support mode. :D :woot: :thumbsup:



I saw her.... she was just there to clean up after you.

[fleetus macmullitz]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Popcorn-02-Stephen-Colbert.gif

[Flash68]

I saw her.... she was just there to clean up after you.

Sounds like full support to me. :lol:

[intocarss]

What's this doing on page 4. Bump for updates

[fleetus macmullitz]

What's this doing on page 4. Bump for updates


They're here for the next few months www.thebachelor.tv (http://www.thebachelor.tv)

[intocarss]

They're here for the next few months www.thebachelor.tv (http://www.thebachelor.tv)

:wow:

[Flash68]

What's this doing on page 4. Bump for updates

They're here for the next few months www.thebachelor.tv (http://www.thebachelor.tv)

Hey come on now. Just accumulating parts...

Got the Accusump today. Rods will be here tomorrow.

Have a local guy who is considering buying what's left of the 377 so that would be nice to get it all sold and done at once.

I've come close on sourcing the carb for this motor. I've learned a lot lately about carbs, venturi and throttle bore sizing, CFM ratings (they are worthless), etc. from talking to a couple custom carb builders (KB and Braswell). I am looking for a 1.41 Venturi and 1.75 throttle bore carb if anyone has one laying around. :unibrow:

My heads are "in the head room" (yeah, that's what she said) at Watson and I should have flow numbers any day. I'll call him tmrw probably and see if he's got them.

[intocarss]

SWEET!! Now spend less time over in Gregs' thread getting in touch with your "feminine side" and post more pics of your parts!! :lol:

[Flash68]

SWEET!! Now spend less time over in Gregs' thread getting in touch with your "feminine side" and post more pics of your parts!! :lol:

Duly noted. And agreed. :lol:

[Flash68]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo_004-10.jpg

[GregWeld]

Yeah -- you'll be able to stretch those just fine!


:lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

See...now was that so hard? :lol: At least Jerry will be cool for a day or so...

Oh and congrats Bro! Those look schweet :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

They there......nice rod.

[intocarss]

Actually Ron. I'm a lil scared now! First all this talk about getting in touch with his "feminine side" and now he's showing me his rod :_paranoid

[Ron in SoCal]

Actually Ron. I'm a lil scared now! First all this talk about getting in touch with his "feminine side" and now he's showing me his rod :_paranoid

(Wisper voice: Shhhh...you're derailing his thread! :D )

[Vegas69]

Good choice, gots me a Compstar crankshaft in my hot rod.

[intocarss]

(Wisper voice: Shhhh...you're derailing his thread! :D )

Got it!! Damn those are nice rods AND LUBE IS INCLUDED Congrats!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Got it!! Damn those are nice rods AND LUBE IS INCLUDED Congrats!!

You just earned your stripes Dog...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Track Junky]

I didn't see the lube. I think he's going to be taking this one dry. :lol:

Just kidding Dave, nice score :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

I didn't see the lube. I think he's going to be taking this one dry. :lol:

Just kidding Dave, nice score :thumbsup: NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER put your rod in dry. WOW Dave's Camaro eng is coming along nicely!!! :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

I didn't see the lube. I think he's going to be taking this one dry. :lol:

Just kidding Dave, nice score :thumbsup:

NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER put your rod in dry. WOW Dave's Camaro eng is coming along nicely!!! :thumbsup:

You guys need to get in touch w your feminine side --

g63YG-BOCns&NR

Hey Dave - your rods are really lightweight!

[GregWeld]

Hey Dave - your rods are really lightweight!




At 6.0" they're a little short too.....

[intocarss]

Scrap your build Dave, Look what I found for ya

It's got "A Polished Chrome Intake with complete water jackets to fit the heads and a high rpm fan"

http://jxn.craigslist.org/pts/2975107472.html

[GregWeld]

I thought Camelback heads were only found in Phoenix! Who knew?!?!


What a brutal machine that would be!







Scrap your build Dave, Look what I found for ya

It's got "A Polished Chrome Intake with complete water jackets to fit the heads and a high rpm fan"

http://jxn.craigslist.org/pts/2975107472.html

[Flash68]

What. The. Fvck.

I leave for an hour and look what happens. :lol:

Ron? 2 vaginas? Really? :rofl:

Good choice, gots me a Compstar crankshaft in my hot rod.

It's quite a day when Todd is the lone man on track with a serious post. :D

I woulda got the Compstar crank too, but they don't make it in the 3-5/8 stroke and small journal. Plus it's a heavy biatch at 53 lbs (SBC). I saved 9 lbs and only spent about $80 more for the Scat F43.

Jerry -- shouldn't you be over at YellowBullet stirring up a hornets nest there? :lateral:

[Track Junky]

You guys need to get in touch w your feminine side --

g63YG-BOCns&NR

Hey Dave - your rods are really lightweight!

Can I hear a triple P......thats as far as I go with that one :_paranoid

[intocarss]

At 6.0" they're a little short too..... It's not the size that counts ..It's what you do with it :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

Jerry -- shouldn't you be over at YellowBullet stirring up a hornets nest there? :lateral:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/YBBitch-2.png AND I'M BEING NICE!!! And see what happens when you leave :woot:

[badmatt]

http://www.jeffgothelf.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/unicorn.jpg

[Flash68]

:lol:

[makoshark]

WOW! Boy has this thread taken a different turn. You wrong coast guys are really starting to concern me:_paranoid

[intocarss]

NpV7ibiQbYM

[Flash68]

WOW! Boy has this thread taken a different turn. You wrong coast guys are really starting to concern me:_paranoid

Come join us at Buttonwillow in Sept. You'll see it's really about sh!t talkin, drinkin beer, and drivin fast. :cheers:

NpV7ibiQbYM

Someone who gets it. :thumbsup: :rockin:

[makoshark]

Come join us at Buttonwillow in Sept. You'll see it's really about sh!t talkin, drinkin beer, and drivin fast. :cheers:

Do I bring wheel bearing grease or KY jelly?:rofl:

[Track Junky]

Gotta admit, thats pretty fricken funny :lol:

[Flash68]

Do I bring wheel bearing grease or KY jelly?:rofl:

Gotta admit, thats pretty fricken funny :lol:

:lol: Not bad, focker.

[Vegas69]

Do I bring wheel bearing grease or KY jelly?:rofl:

:thumbsup: :lol: Depends on which camp you want to be affiliated with. The limp wristed fellas will be in the Audi Grey hauler with the Canary Yellow Canopy. There may be a blue mustang, cough, camaro out front as well.

[makoshark]

Would love to come out and show you guys (or should I say gals:D ) how it's really done, but my car is aceless right now:(

[Flash68]

:thumbsup: :lol: Depends on which camp you want to be affiliated with. The limp wristed fellas will be in the Audi Grey hauler with the Canary Yellow Canopy. There may be a blue mustang, cough, camaro out front as well.

I'm not sure where you'll be, but come find me... I'll be in the area called the WINNERS CIRCLE. :unibrow:

Would love to come out and show you guys (or should I say gals:D ) how it's really done, but my car is aceless right now:(

Git to work son! :lateral:

[Vegas69]

:lol:

[skatinjay27]

I'm not sure where you'll be, but come find me... I'll be in the area called the WINNERS CIRCLE. :unibrow:


man dave did you get your spelling lessons from rodger!:lol:
the word you were looking for is spelled WIENERS :lol:

[Flash68]

Dropped off new rods and talked to Mike about heads, intake, and cam plans...

The good news.... heads flowed right at what I was told they flowed.

Lift / Intake / Exhaust
.100 75 53
.200 149 106
.300 226 158
.400 264 212
.500 326 234
.600 358 247
.700 369 255
.800 373 258
.900 366 260
.975 366 262

The bad news... I need new springs, retainers and keepers, but I was kinda factoring that possibility in when I got the top end so damn cheap. He likes PAC springs and the titanium stuff.

Mike will run some more numbers and plug into his Cam Doctor but he's thinking about 266ish intake and low 270's exhaust duration @ .050 and peak net life in the .675 range. He is most concerned with the mid lift area of .200 to .600 and these heads do pretty well there for 20+ year old Nascar crap.

He also specs his cams with the Ford Cleveland firing order (again, Nascar) and apparently it's a 4 cylinder swap deal. First I have heard of that, but he's the boss here.

He said the weak link in my parts is the intake and he'll have to do a little work with it so it isn't such a restrictor it's hurting the combo. He'll put the heads with the intake back on later toward the end he said.

I'm having a lot of fun showing up at the shop and talking and learning from these guys. It's a lot of info to take in and retain for me but I learn some things each time I talk to or meet with him. The uber technical workings are not my strong suit. :D

I may pony up for some valve covers from them. Not sure yet. :thumbsup:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo_005-6.jpg

[badmatt]

Get the springs ISF , cryogenicly treated or REM'd it does make them live longer.

[intocarss]

:thumbsup: :willy: Sounds like you'll be Snappin' Necks, and Cashin' Checks in no time PAH!!!!

Splurge and get the VC's you owe it to yourself and those look nice!!

BTW I have a set of used low runs Ti retainers for double springs, If they'll work for your app you can have them. What size valve stem are you running?

[Flash68]

Get the springs ISF , cryogenicly treated or REM'd it does make them live longer.

Didn't know that was done to springs. The gears in my trans have the REM treatment though.

:thumbsup: :willy: Sounds like you'll be Snappin' Necks, and Cashin' Checks in no time PAH!!!!

Splurge and get the VC's you owe it to yourself and those look nice!!

BTW I have a set of used low runs Ti retainers for double springs, If they'll work for your app you can have them. What size valve stem are you running?

Thanks Jer. Not sure whose checks I'll be cashin tho. :lol:

And thanks for the offer on the retainers. I do not know the specs yet but I'll get some numbers from Mike next time I'm there. You're a good man Charlie Brown. :cheers: :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

And thanks for the offer on the retainers.BTW I will also have to know the ID and OD of your springs too

[Sieg]

I may pony up for some valve covers from them. Not sure yet.

Considering the amount of time you'll be spending in the weiners circle you should probably negotiate a sponsorship agreement with the builder. :unibrow:

[Ron in SoCal]

Really like those flow rates. Beefy in the middle and keep flowing all the way to the top....:cheers:

Get the Ti locks and keepers. It's better on your valve train! Jerr Dog's our resident motor expert and goodwill stand, so PM him if you ever need a little backdoor tech. (easy Jerr, I'm talking about motors here :D )

[Track Junky]

Blah, Blah, Blah...........just hurry up and finish this thing so we can go out and play :unibrow:

[intocarss]

DAMN Seig is talking about weiners and Rons talking about back dooring. Your all a bunch of teases!! I don't know how much of an expert I am but I try to help

It's all about Racers Helping Racers. BTW Ron... did you see that 2000Hp+ twin turbo eng over at QMP the other day HOLY S**T and that was with only 18 # of boost

DAMN NICE STEERING WHEEL DAVE



see no high jacking going on here :_paranoid

[Ron in SoCal]

I did not see it run, but remember the build. Jerr. How about we meet for lunch there tomorrow?

[intocarss]

I did not see it run, but remember the build. Jerr. How about we meet for lunch there tomorrow?

QUIT HIGH JACKING THE THREAD!!!

SOUNDS GOOD THOUGH I TAKE LUNCH AROUND 11:30

I LOVE THE NEW SPOILER DAVE!!

[Ron in SoCal]

QUIT HIGH JACKING THE THREAD!!!

SOUNDS GOOD THOUGH I TAKE LUNCH AROUND 11:30

I LOVE THE NEW SPOILER DAVE!!

Meet you at Bob's or QMP?

QUIT HIGH JACKING DAVE'S THREAD!!!

[intocarss]

Meet you at Bob's or QMP?

QUIT HIGH JACKING DAVE'S THREAD!!!

Which ever works is fine by me you decide If we meet at Bob's he may want to go too

As long as you mention something about Dave's car. Then technically it ain't highjacking

Damn cool headers Dave :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

See you @ Bob's @ 11:30. Oh, and Dave...

:ttiwop:

[Track Junky]

Headers and spoiler? WTF Dave......you holding out!!??

[Flash68]

I'm gonna have more pages than Todd here in a minute at this high jack rate. :lol:

Nothing new, G, just the same ole leaf spring stock subbed car with a little more power soon.

I better get used to this heat cuz I am about to start an engine build thread on YellowBullet. Help me God.... you ready over there Jer? :lateral:

[intocarss]

Headers and spoiler? WTF Dave......you holding out!!??

OH Tracky see page 1, pics 3 & 4

[intocarss]

I'm gonna have more pages than Todd here in a minute at this high jack rate. :lol:

Nothing new, G, just the same ole leaf spring stock subbed car with a little more power soon.

I better get used to this heat cuz I am about to start an engine build thread on YellowBullet. Help me God.... you ready over there Jer? :lateral:

Get your thick skin on or at least stay out of the TOBTS LOL YB has some really good people willing to help out ;)

And "Project Payback" is 5 laps/pages down!! But he'll be making a pit stop soon SO hammmer down Dave AND LETS GO RACEN BOYZZZZZZZZZ

[Vegas69]

I better get used to this heat cuz I am about to start an engine build thread on YellowBullet. Help me God.... you ready over there Jer? :lateral:

Why in the world would you want to do such a thing. :lol: Most of those guys are 3rd generation inbreds. I do enjoy a few threads over there though.:unibrow: Do they talk about cars?

[intocarss]

YB Threads: 426,692, YB Posts: 8,417,303, YB Members: 60,666

Out of all that I'd say a couple of them talk cars :woot:

[Flash68]

Get your thick skin on or at least stay out of the TOBTS LOL YB has some really good people willing to help out ;)

And "Project Payback" is 5 laps/pages down!! But he'll be making a pit stop soon SO hammmer down Dave AND LETS GO RACEN BOYZZZZZZZZZ

Oh I know... I've actually started one of 2 threads over there and it wasn't too bad... yet.... def some helpful people. And a few thousand know it alls. Kinda like I am over here on Lat G. :lol:

Why in the world would you want to do such a thing. :lol: Most of those guys are 3rd generation inbreds. I do enjoy a few threads over there though.:unibrow: Do they talk about cars?

Because it will be fun. And harsh. And possibly insightful. I'm actually most interested in them telling me we're doing it all wrong and we should be using $5000 15 degree heads and such, etc. etc. etc. :thumbsup:

They definitely know their old school motors over there.

[Vegas69]

The self shot girls thread is fun.:D

[Flash68]

The self shot girls thread is fun.:D

I'm a subscriber. :lol:

[intocarss]

This thread has gone so far South, we might as well

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/Beers-Are-In-A-Keg.jpg

[badmatt]

I'll drink to that and go peruse the self shot thread as well.

[coolwelder62]

What has yellowbullet have to do W/car's.Sound's like a cheap phonebook.:willy: :willy: :willy:

[Flash68]

I'll drink to that and go peruse the self shot thread as well.

I might've spent some time on that thread today. :D

What has yellowbullet have to do W/car's.Sound's like a cheap phonebook.:willy: :willy: :willy:

:lol: :cheers:

[badmatt]

armature self shot thread ...........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/badmatt/meme-notbad-1.jpg

[intocarss]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/untitled-1.png

[Chad-1stGen]

Man I don't look at this post for 24 hours and it grows by 5 pages lol!

[intocarss]

Man I don't look at this post for 24 hours and it grows by 5 pages lol! We're on a mission!!

[FETorino]

Yea we were talking about an old school 18 deg resurrection build. I'm into it.:D

We can compare dyno numbers in June. :thumbsup:


You guys are frickin hilarious.... thanks for helping make this thread the polar opposite of the tech-heavy and tuning-heavy thread of Todd's. :D

Dropped off some more parts today and solidified most of the build plan today. The builder/shop is Mike Blackstone @ Watson Racing & Engineering in Concord, CA. An awesome facility to say the least. 26,000 sq ft full of top shelf parts and machines, yet is a small mom and pop type shop with only 3 employees including Ben Watson the owner. Pete is the general machinist. Not sure how they crank out so much killer stuff but they do. 10, 12, 15, and 18 degree heads on the shelf, blocks of all kinds, and they do Pro Stock, Stock Eliminator, circle track, road race motors... not much they don't do.

Mike has already spent a few hours with me schooling me on 18 degree stuff and engine building in general. He's a super nice guy and already treats me like I've already spent $20k with him before.

Mike is a big fan of Keith Dorton (as am I) and is a big proponent of the 394 SBC, so that's what we are going with after telling him what parts I already have and what my intentions are. Here's my parts list, most of which has been acquired over past couple months:

-PBM iron race block, 350 mains, 4.155 bore, .903 bushed lifter bores, splayed caps on all 5 mains, bore cam tunnel to BBC cam size of 50mm
-3.625 stroke crank (looking for one)
-6" rods (have a set - may use, may not)
-Dished piston to achieve no more than 11:1 (Mike will spec and order)
-GM Bowtie 18 degree heads (being checked and flowed by Mike soon to verify 373cfm flow sheet provided by seller :unibrow:) (ebay)
-GM Bowtie 18 degree intake (ebay)
-Jesel shaft rockers 1.6/1.6 ratio (ebay)
-Morel/Roush Yates .903 roller lifters w/ .180 offset intake (ebay)
-Stainless 18 degree 1-3/4" stepped to 1-7/8" headers w/ merge collectors (they're a tad rough, but scored these on Craigslist in Nascar country for $350!)
-Holley 830HP (I bought awhile ago off Yellowbullet but not sure if will be used)
-Solid Roller spec'd by Mike

I am leaning toward dry sump, but Mike suggested and also likes a wet sump with an external oil pump for what I have and on a budget, so I need to look into that.

When it's all said and done we are shooting for near 700 hp at no more than 7000 rpm on 91 octane. Mike says the 18 degree heads are so damn efficient that they don't need the cubes the 23 degree stuff does, but they can be a little more tuning sensitive, another reason it will be dialed in correctly. And they like a lot less timing than a 23 degree I guess - like 32 degrees. I plan on him dyno tuning it in his shop after assembly. You get the dyno room for the whole day whether it takes 3 hours or 8 hrs to get her dialed in. :woot:

I gotta thank our resident good samaritan and butt of many jokes, Greg Weld. He offered to sponsor me for some stuff after I blew up at RTTC and I am greatly appreciative. He supports this niche a lot thru his time and money and spreads it around to help many people. Ok enough about that guy. Thanks G-Dub. I'll put your decal on my car now (see below). :D

Ok here's the pics so far. Hope I did not disappoint.

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[Flash68]

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:lol: I'm pretty sure I just saw that posted on the Bullet recently.

Yea we were talking about an old school 18 deg resurrection build. I'm into it.:D

We can compare dyno numbers in June. :thumbsup:

Thanks dude. I think you probably got me, but I think we'll both be happy with our numbers... and make some nice noise doin it. :thumbsup:

And :cheers: for getting this back on point. :D

After watching Greg's and Charley's Mustangs, as well as a couple stock cars, run today at Thunderhill... I am so itchin to get on track.

A small update on my parts hunt that I am proud of... I scored a "blemish" version Holley billet fuel pump (mechanical) for about $110 off retail. Those kinds of things and even savings make me enjoy the hunt. :lateral:

[badmatt]

:lol: I'm pretty sure I just saw that posted on the Bullet recently.



Thanks dude. I think you probably got me, but I think we'll both be happy with our numbers... and make some nice noise doin it. :thumbsup:

And :cheers: for getting this back on point. :D

After watching Greg's and Charley's Mustangs, as well as a couple stock cars, run today at Thunderhill... I am so itchin to get on track.

A small update on my parts hunt that I am proud of... I scored a "blemish" version Holley billet fuel pump (mechanical) for about $110 off retail. Those kinds of things and even savings make me enjoy the hunt. :lateral:

I have a CV reworked carter if you wanted it.. I shouldve put it out there.

[FETorino]

:lol: I'm pretty sure I just saw that posted on the Bullet recently.



Thanks dude. I think you probably got me, but I think we'll both be happy with our numbers... and make some nice noise doin it. :thumbsup:

And :cheers: for getting this back on point. :D

After watching Greg's and Charley's Mustangs, as well as a couple stock cars, run today at Thunderhill... I am so itchin to get on track.

A small update on my parts hunt that I am proud of... I scored a "blemish" version Holley billet fuel pump (mechanical) for about $110 off retail. Those kinds of things and even savings make me enjoy the hunt. :lateral:

I have 100+ ci on you but you have 20 + years of head development on your side. :D

Funny but our flow #s are pretty similar. You have me on the exhaust side. I knew I should have spent the $$ and filled the exhaust port floors and raised the roofs. That's what I get for going cheap. :lol: I am crutching my exhaust flow with some custom step headers but you have those also. Hmmmm..... good thing I have all those extra CI. :D

I find it hard to believe with the cam specs and ci you have that peak hp will be under 7000. Maybe I need to re read the specs.

[Flash68]

I have a CV reworked carter if you wanted it.. I shouldve put it out there.

I've been looking a CV low pressure pump actually (CV2502). I'll PM you. :thumbsup:

I have 100+ ci on you but you have 20 + years of head development on your side. :D

Funny but our flow #s are pretty similar. You have me on the exhaust side. I knew I should have spent the $$ and filled the exhaust port floors and raised the roofs. That's what I get for going cheap. :lol: I am crutching my exhaust flow with some custom step headers but you have those also. Hmmmm..... good thing I have all those extra CI. :D

I find it hard to believe with the cam specs and ci you have that peak hp will be under 7000. Maybe I need to re read the specs.

Funny. My heads are like the weakest of all the heads sitting in the engine shop I'm at. :D It's like the saying goes -- try to buy the ****tiest house on the nicest block or nicest neighborhood. The rising tide lifts all boats. :lol:

I've learned flow #'s are only a small part of heads, as you know I'm sure. Velocity is just as important or more. Still, for the money my top end cost I am stoked to see the results. I'll put them up against anyone on a dollar per $ basis. I guess I should wait til the dyno in case we don't break 500. :lol:

Your cubes are gonna make incredible torque... and incredibly hard to manage. :D

Yeah we are shooting for peak power at 7000rpm. If it comes in at 7200 I guess that's okay. It'll be built right so I'm good with that. Rods are rates to 7500 rpm and 700hp I believe I read.

I'm more looking for that sweet flat torque curve from 4000 up that Mike says he loves about the 394 combo.

[FETorino]

:

Your cubes are gonna make incredible torque... and incredibly hard to manage. :D

I'm more looking for that sweet flat torque curve from 4000 up that Mike says he loves about the 394 combo.

It's all about matching all the pieces of the build. I'm banking on more of a torque shelf. High and flat. :D

What fun would it be to drive if the power was easy to manage.

[Flash68]

It's all about matching all the pieces of the build. I'm banking on more of a torque shelf. High and flat. :D

What fun would it be to drive if the power was easy to manage.

Absolutely. It is fun (and new) for me to be part of the design process of a motor from A to Z.

High and flat. And a bear to manage. I like it. A LOT. :lol:

[intocarss]

Absolutely. It is fun (and new) for me to be part of the design process of a motor from A to Z.

High and flat. And a bear to manage. I like it. A LOT. :lol: I'm glad you're enjoying it!!! It's a blast for rookies LOL Just wait until you get to stand next to your eng on the dyno. I get to hear & feel it monthly or sometimes weekly

Here's a taste for ya...

Our dyno, first pulls on my new 540 back in 2005
I was nervous cuz the warranty expires as soon as it fires And I assembled the whole damn thing LOLOL
gOedVz-b3vI

[Flash68]

Yeah buddy. That's what I'm talkin about. Can't wait for that day! :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

Yeah buddy. That's what I'm talkin about. Can't wait for that day! :thumbsup:

BadStinkyFinger is gona be one BadMutherF**ker :woot:

[tones2SS]

This thread has gone so far South, we might as well

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/Beers-Are-In-A-Keg.jpg

:lol:

Great updates Dave.

[Flash68]

Well we got some changes here fellas. When building a motor from scratch with a professional every change no matter how seemingly insignificant I'm finding can have a chain reaction of changes. :willy:

2 things we discovered just today that are key are that the heads have a combustion chamber of 47.5 cc (I was told 55 by seller). Ok that's ok and where Mike figured they would be in his experience with these heads, but it changes his comfort level of maximum efficiency of a dish piston required to achieve my targeted 11:1 compression. Remember, this is a STREET car :D.

He wants no more than 20 or so cc's in the dish to maintain "efficiency" and to do this we need to shorten the stroke a tad. That actually works out fine since I discovered today my crank that was ordered 2 weeks ago on a 6-8 week delivery estimate is now 4-5 months out. :lol:

The good thing is I only will lose a few cubes (about 7) by going to the 3.562 stroke. AND that stroke is supposedly easier to get and I should be able to get my crank here sooner to possibly speed up this build time.

I've also been researching my GM 053 intake that came with my top end that was supposedly ported by Reher Morrison. Doesn't appear that is the case and Mike says during our chat today that this intake is by far the weak link in my system and could cost as much as 50 hp. Ouch. Unacceptable. Talked to him about viable options (NOT the 18 degree intake on his shelf with 40 hrs of porting that I can have for $2000) and I brought up a 2 piece Edelbrock intake I saw on ebay yesterday that was ported by Wilson. The ad listed the port size and it was nearly dead nuts to the ports he measured on my heads. He said grab em so I got the intake for $350. Quite a bit less than $2000. :thumbsup:

So, a couple curveballs today but I like where it's headed now. :woot:

[sixnina]

Nice update Dave,
It sucks there are people out there willing to do anything to sell a part( your intake) But good you bounced back from that.
Shane

[Sieg]

Dave - Sorry to hear about the heads and crank delay. Hopefully the Wilson intake is as represented. What crank are you using?

[MarkM66]

Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

[Vegas69]

Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

Piston and decking will handle that.

[sik68]

Good updates DG!

11:1 static compression with a 266* @ 0.050 is that going to give you enough dynamic compression? I'm sure they have you covered, just curious.

[fleetus macmullitz]

"just buy this and get it over with :D"



http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/x07sp_ch056.jpg


Right back at 'ya slick!


:lol:

[Flash68]

Nice update Dave,
It sucks there are people out there willing to do anything to sell a part( your intake) But good you bounced back from that.
Shane

Well I got the top end so cheap that just the heads were almost worth what I paid for them + the intake and Jesel shaft rockers. So I knew I factored all of this in and I am still ahead on that. I honestly just think the seller passed on info he was told by the guy he bought them from.

Dave - Sorry to hear about the heads and crank delay. Hopefully the Wilson intake is as represented. What crank are you using?

Thanks but I like where this is going now and my crank was just ordered today and will be here next week instead of 4-6 more weeks. I upgraded to the Callies Comet for a couple hundred extra bucks. Better finishing than the F43 I am being told and weight is at a svelte 43 lbs... 10 lbs lighter than a Compstar.

Stroke is set at 3.562 and with 4.155 bore makes 386 cubes.

Todd, I'm wondering how heavy that Compstar BBC crank of yours is... might need to upgrade that. :lol:

Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

Piston and decking will handle that.

Piston is being designed from scratch and Mike has a grasp on this (I don't claim to). Unlike many engine builders (assemblers) that call up XYZ Piston Co. and say tell me what I need, Mike specs it all himself and calls in the order to his specs. And we are building a motor he has done many times over so I have utmost confidence. Just trying to learn as much as I can in the process. :thumbsup:

Good updates DG!

11:1 static compression with a 266* @ 0.050 is that going to give you enough dynamic compression? I'm sure they have you covered, just curious.

Haven't dynamic vs static with him, so I assume he is not concerned as he is voices all his concerns very openly with me. For a "budget" 18 degree motor he has been great to work with. Basically the cam design will come last he said and he will make the power be exactly where we want it. Every time I ask him something about a change or this or that, he says don't worry we will make it work where we want to when I design the cam. Again, new process for me to build a motor with such planning and project management. I'm lovin that.

"just buy this and get it over with :D"



http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/x07sp_ch056.jpg


Right back at 'ya slick!


:lol:

That's WAY too many cubes. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Quality lat-g post DG with some good info...plus some advice. :D

Better crank, and less filling....nice. :cool:

[Sieg]

Good stuff Dave!

Sounds like CP pistons?

[sik68]

A helpful engine builder...must be nice! :lol:

[Flash68]

Quality lat-g post DG with some good info...plus some advice. :D

Better crank, and less filling....nice. :cool:

Thankya.... Better crank and better delivery time. Maybe we can get this sucker done and on the dyno weeks sooner. :unibrow:

Good stuff Dave!

Sounds like CP pistons?

Diamond is first choice, CP is second per Mike.

[Flash68]

A helpful engine builder...must be nice! :lol:

Yikes. Hopefully you find yours bud. In this business, it's rarely the first guy you to go to it seems. :willy:

[Vegas69]

I think it's 65 or 70 lbs. It revs so fast I wouldn't want a lighter crank.

[Ron in SoCal]

That's WAY too many cubes. :D


Hey, hey, hey now!!! :D

[intocarss]

A helpful & TRUE engine builder...must be nice! :lol:

I fixed it for ya :yes:

[intocarss]

That's WAY too many cubes. :D CHICKEN!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/engine_truck.gif

[intocarss]

I think it's 65 or 70 lbs. It revs so fast I wouldn't want a lighter crank.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/giant_engine_002.jpg

[Flash68]

I think it's 65 or 70 lbs. It revs so fast I wouldn't want a lighter crank.

If you say so. :unibrow:

Hey, hey, hey now!!! :D

I don't know about you guys with your big cubes... maybe overcompensating for something? :lol: :rofl:

CHICKEN!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/engine_truck.gif

Ok I stand corrected. I want that.

[Ron in SoCal]

If you say so. :unibrow:



I don't know about you guys with your big cubes... maybe overcompensating for something? :lol: :rofl:

S.O.P. Sir :lol:

Ok I stand corrected. I want that.

Yeah me too!

[intocarss]

Ok I stand corrected. I want that. You'll need a BIGGER scoop!!:willy:

[Track Junky]

You'll need a BIGGER scoop!!:willy:

And a bigger trailer

[Flash68]

And a bigger valve spring tester. :D

[Flash68]

Locked up my carb just now. A nearly fresh Braswell (dyno and 2 races) with 1.40 Venturi and 1.75 Throttle Body. Made 650hp on a 360" sprint car motor.

$600 (go for $1275 new)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-15.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-15.jpg

[intocarss]

Locked up my carb just now. A nearly fresh Braswell (dyno and 2 races) with 1.40 Venturi and 1.75 Throttle Body. Made 650hp on a 360" sprint car motor.

$600 (go for $1275 new)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-15.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-15.jpg

I'm liking you more and more there Buttercups! Congrats

[Ron in SoCal]

I'm liking you more and more there Buttercups! Congrats

Stay on topic there Jerr...:D

[Track Junky]

Looks like he wrote the jet sizes on top of the bowls. Love playin around with 4150 style carbs. Theres a book out by HP Books, author Mike Urich.....Holley carburator handbook 4150-4160 selection, tuning, and repair. goes for $12.95. It will tell you just about everything you need to know.

BTW, great score :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

Stay on topic there Jerr...:D

I'm on it!!


_WFLUhSym80

[Ron in SoCal]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

J2HBdRCroks

[Sieg]

Wish I was man enough to own a carb like that. :theresa:

Nice score!

[Track Junky]

I LOVE IT,
I NEED IT,
I BLEED IT!!:morepower :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :fire: :cheering: :_party: :beavis: :beavis: :beavis:

[Flash68]

I just got pumped up!! :D :_party: :_party: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :fire: :fire: :fire:

[intocarss]

It's official

cZlNNSjsELs

[Flash68]

I did order a Moroso valve spring tester. Thanks Todd. :lol:

[intocarss]

I did order a Moroso valve spring tester. Thanks Todd. :lol: I'm staying in a Holiday Inn next week :unibrow:

[badmatt]

uhm..

I put my short block back together today? not as high class as a holiday inn express..


Nice carb Dave.

[FETorino]

That's WAY too many cubes. :D

Did he just say that :mad:


Locked up my carb just now. A nearly fresh Braswell (dyno and 2 races) with 1.40 Venturi and 1.75 Throttle Body. Made 650hp on a 360" sprint car motor.

$600 (go for $1275 new)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/photo-15.jpg





That's a cute carb. A pair of those would look good on my intake. :rofl:







Piston is being designed from scratch and Mike has a grasp on this (I don't claim to). Unlike many engine builders (assemblers) that call up XYZ Piston Co. and say tell me what I need, Mike specs it all himself and calls in the order to his specs. And we are building a motor he has done many times over so I have utmost confidence. Just trying to learn as much as I can in the process. :thumbsup:

:D


Yea it's a whole different ball game building a motor rather than assembling. I'm an assembler. I've put together a lot of motors but when it came time for my project and started buying parts that cost real $$ and were hard to find I found someone who really knew their stuff. I remember when I started my build I though I knew exactly what the motor should be. What I have now is similar to what I planned but will far exceed what I would have built. Your stoked on working with your builder. :thumbsup: I know the feeling :cheers:

[intocarss]

Hey Dave I've heard rumors. Just don't let Todd "tree ya"

nsn9uDL6LVw

[Flash68]

That's a cute carb. A pair of those would look good on my intake. :rofl:





Yea it's a whole different ball game building a motor rather than assembling. I'm an assembler. I've put together a lot of motors but when it came time for my project and started buying parts that cost real $$ and were hard to find I found someone who really knew their stuff. I remember when I started my build I though I knew exactly what the motor should be. What I have now is similar to what I planned but will far exceed what I would have built. Your stoked on working with your builder. :thumbsup: I know the feeling :cheers:

I've said it before... I like to do more with less. :D

Hey no offense on that assembler comment -- hell I don't even qualify for that! :lol:

And yeah... totally enjoying and feeling confident in this new motor and that's 95% due to the engine builder. I already feel the pressure of properly maintaining it and caring for it. :willy:

Hey Dave I've heard rumors. Just don't let Todd "tree ya"

nsn9uDL6LVw

That's a great lookin race car. Don't worry I'll have my new BRASWELL carb dialed in for the next one. And a new clutch. :D

[Flash68]

Happy Birthday to Jerdog / Jerry / Intocarss..... he is giving Skip a run for his money on the quality youtube postings. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Happy Birthday to Jerdog / Jerry / Intocarss..... he is giving Skip a run for his money on the quality youtube postings. :D

:lol:

It's a younger mans' game. I conceed. ;)

Happy Birthday to the Jerdawg. :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

Thanks for the B day wishes guys!! Ha Ha I even got Dave to HIGHJACK his own thread! THANKS AGAIN!!

[badmatt]

Happy b-day Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111one

[Vegas69]

I've seen every attempt at increasing a thread post count but this takes the cake. :unibrow:

Happy Birthday our new post whore.:cheers:

[Flash68]

I've seen every attempt at increasing a thread post count but this takes the cake. :unibrow:

Happy Birthday our new post whore.:cheers:

Well the dude has impressively taken over my thread. So the least I can is acknowledge it. :hail:

Don't be bitter because you don't over 400,000 like Larry's thread on PT. :lol:

[GregWeld]

Thanks for the B day wishes guys!! Ha Ha I even got Dave to HIGHJACK his own thread! THANKS AGAIN!!



Dave who??


Happy birthday - hope you woke up with a giant boner and had someone to share it with.

[Vegas69]

Well the dude has impressively taken over my thread. So the least I can is acknowledge it. :hail:

Don't be bitter because you don't over 400,000 like Larry's thread on PT. :lol:

When you own the site you can put any number of view you want. :unibrow:
Dave who??


Happy birthday - hope you woke up with a giant boner and had someone to share it with.

Good one Greg!

[Track Junky]

Happy Birthday Jerry!! Oh, and what Greg said :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

Dave who??


Happy birthday - hope you woke up with a giant boner and had someone to share it with.

At my age I'm just happy to still be waking up, a boner would be icing on the cake. :lol: Thanks Greg and the others

[Ron in SoCal]

Happy birthday - hope you woke up with a giant boner and had someone to share it with.

'Nuff said...:lol:

Happy Bday Jerr-Dog! :cheers:

[tones2SS]

'Nuff said...:lol:

Happy Bday Jerr-Dog! :cheers:

X2!:cheers:

[badmatt]

Happy birthday - hope you woke up with a giant boner

alllllllllllllllllllllllrighty then.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/085/8/1/trollface_skinned_by_renonevada-d3ck2ar.jpg

[Matt@BOS]

Sometimes I click on your thread without bothering to read it just in the hope that "Badmotorfinger" might one day have more views than Payback. Today I bothered to read it, and well... I haven't been missing out on much, just some guy's birthday, (happy birthday Jerry) and some youtube videos, etc.

Matt

[FETorino]

Sometimes I click on your thread without bothering to read it just in the hope that "Badmotorfinger" might one day have more views than Payback. Today I bothered to read it, and well... I haven't been missing out on much, just some guy's birthday, (happy birthday Jerry) and some youtube videos, etc.

Matt

If you dig back far enough you'll find some info about a case of CI phobia and infatuation with small carbs :rofl:
Yea and a couple cheap shots @ assemblers :P

[Vegas69]

I checked and Larry is about 10,000 views behind me. :unibrow: Dave's got 1000 posts in his thread with 10 contributors.

[Flash68]

Sometimes I click on your thread without bothering to read it just in the hope that "Badmotorfinger" might one day have more views than Payback. Today I bothered to read it, and well... I haven't been missing out on much, just some guy's birthday, (happy birthday Jerry) and some youtube videos, etc.

Matt

Payback is old news.

You aren't wrong. But you are a d!ck. :rofl:

Hey I blew my motor and posted pics. That's gotta be somewhat interesting!

If you dig back far enough you'll find some info about a case of CI phobia and infatuation with small carbs :rofl:
Yea and a couple cheap shots @ assemblers :P

Gotta walk before ya run apparently. But hey that carb really ain't that small!

That assembler dig hurt didn't it. :lol:

I checked and Larry is about 10,000 views behind me. :unibrow: Dave's got 1000 posts in his thread with 10 contributors.

haha made you look! You haven't figured out the quality over quantity mantra yet have you. :unibrow: I got the real brotherhood of Lat G in my thread... not the nut huggers of Payback. :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

That DG is gonna be one funny married guy too! :unibrow:

:lateral: weddings... accept no substitutes.

[intocarss]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/Boozebandits-1.jpg

[FETorino]

That assembler dig hurt didn't it. :lol:

I couldn't even get out of bed today. Just laid there staring at Smokey Yunicks book. :(

Your carbs small... its SMALL :rofl:

[Flash68]

I couldn't even get out of bed today. Just laid there staring at Smokey Yunicks book. :(

Your carbs small... its SMALL :rofl:

:lol: Nice.

It's not that small for a 386 cube motor according to the custom carb tuners I've talked to recently. Could it be bigger? Sure, but I stressed maintaining throttle response and low end crispness. In CFM terms (which is the wrong way to rate or look at carbs I've learned) it's probably between 800 and 900 if it was flowed. That's not small to me. My venturi and throttle bore sizing is consistent with 400 inch motors making 650-700 hp. Got that from 2 sources.

Lemme guess, you have a combined 2000 CFM on your double dueler. :D :willy:

[FETorino]

:lol: Nice.

It's not that small for a 386 cube motor according to the custom carb tuners I've talked to recently. Could it be bigger? Sure, but I stressed maintaining throttle response and low end crispness. In CFM terms (which is the wrong way to rate or look at carbs I've learned) it's probably between 800 and 900 if it was flowed. That's not small to me. My venturi and throttle bore sizing is consistent with 400 inch motors making 650-700 hp. Got that from 2 sources.

Lemme guess, you have a combined 2000 CFM on your double dueler. :D :willy:

Just messing with you while my assembler wounds heal. :(

Right now I only own a list 8082 1050 dominator for my single plane manifold.

My builder has a set of duals he knows run well that I am borrowing for the dyno session with the double dueler. :D I think he actually stars with 3310 bodys when he build them. I know he is also bringing a set of 660 center squirters.

[Flash68]

Just messing with you while my assembler wounds heal. :(

Right now I only own a list 8082 1050 dominator for my single plane manifold.

My builder has a set of duals he knows run well that I am borrowing for the dyno session with the double dueler. :D I think he actually stars with 3310 bodys when he build them. I know he is also bringing a set of 660 center squirters.

Killer. Your motor might be the only one on this site I am as excited about as mine. :D

[Flash68]

In my 18 degree head research I found this cylinder head company and these valve covers they make. I really wanted a set but they only make them in BBC and declined my request to make a set for SBC.

http://www.thebmfstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BMF_VC1

[fleetus macmullitz]

In my 18 degree head research I found this cylinder head company and these valve covers they make. I really wanted a set but they only make them in BBC and declined my request to make a set for SBC.

http://www.thebmfstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BMF_VC1

Nice.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/BMF_VC1-2T.jpg

[intocarss]

Just buy a set of blank valve covers and have whatever you want ingraved on them "BadMotorFinger".

Just for reffrence

http://www.innovators.bz/iw_10_002.htm

[Flash68]

Nice.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/BMF_VC1-2T.jpg

You know I tried to save that image but their site image protected it.. how'd you score it? Another site or image?

Just buy a set of blank valve covers and have whatever you want ingraved on them "BadMotorFinger".

Just for reffrence

http://www.innovators.bz/iw_10_002.htm

I didn't really wanna be "that guy" and have something engraved on my car with a made up car name... *cough.Payback.cough*.... :lol:

That's why I loved it when I saw it.. it's subtle and not intended for me. Plus they make killer heads so maybe someone will think I have their heads :D and they look clean and not too loud. Oh well. I'll likely have Watson do a set of theirs if it isn't like $500 since I like supporting them and their logo I like.

Thanks for the link. Nice looking stuff though. I may change my mind. :)

[Matt@BOS]

Payback is old news.

You aren't wrong. But you are a d!ck. :rofl:

Hey I blew my motor and posted pics. That's gotta be somewhat interesting!



Damn, I must have missed that. I hate to admit it, but I was probably trying to give Todd a run for his money by posting pictures of my broken engine with my Camaro build :_paranoid I'm afraid of what I might read through clicking back 10 or so pages. I'll check it out when I'm feeling brave!

Matt

p.s. I have a new intake manifold on the way, and while it isn't a carb, I'll be sure to post pictures of it for you right here, just like FETorino did. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I'm getting those valve covers for my car just to piss you off.

[fleetus macmullitz]

You know I tried to save that image but their site image protected it.. how'd you score it? Another site or image?



I just did a google image search on 'em. You know, cuz they fit a BBC so nice. :P

[Flash68]

I'm getting those valve covers for my car just to piss you off.

I just did a google image search on 'em. You know, cuz they fit a BBC so nice. :P

:lol: bastages!

[fleetus macmullitz]

:lol: bastages!

Sounds European...

Hmmm.

:woot:

[DFRESH]

I'm pretty sure Jody and Scott have had to quit their day jobs just to manage this thread.

[FETorino]

you Chevy guys are so fancy. :D I'm just going to run plain sheetmetal valve covers because my FE is so pretty to begin with. :rofl:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'm pretty sure Jody and Scott have had to quit their day jobs just to manage this thread.

:lol:³

[Flash68]

Sounds European...

Hmmm.

:woot:

Johnny Dangerously. I believe he might have had some Euro trash in him. :lol:

I'm pretty sure Jody and Scott have had to quit their day jobs just to manage this thread.

Exactly why I just made a donation to their cause. Well and that I only have them to thank for discovering an amazing low rider PT 69 with skinnies on all 4 and a nice pile of parts that will be on ebay eventually instead of on the car.

How's that big blingy 2000 hp floater kit? :lateral:


you Chevy guys are so fancy. :D I'm just going to run plain sheetmetal valve covers because my FE is so pretty to begin with. :rofl:

I'm open to that, and I like the sheetmetal covers but I've always just used the covers that came with my motor at the time. I feel like I wanna make my own decision on this one. :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Matt

p.s. I have a new intake manifold on the way, and while it isn't a carb, I'll be sure to post pictures of it for you right here, just like FETorino did. :thumbsup:

Hey I never did that my highjack was subtle trying to get him over to my build thread to see my intake. :P

But since I'm already guilty this is what carb stuff looks like.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/2x4tp.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/TPintake.jpg


Highjack complete :thumbsup:

[sixnina]

Hey Dave,
So with all the added power comes more heat,may have missed it but whats your plans on upgrading the cooling system if any?
Shane

[Flash68]

I'm pretty sure Jody and Scott have had to quit their day jobs just to manage this thread.

Who do you think prompted the thread to promote supporting memberships? Thankyouverymuch. :unibrow:

Hey I never did that my highjack was subtle trying to get him over to my build thread to see my intake. :P

But since I'm already guilty this is what carb stuff looks like.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/2x4tp.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/TPintake.jpg

Highjack complete :thumbsup:

Killer stuff... love it. For that, your highjack is approved. :thumbsup:

Hey Dave,
So with all the added power comes more heat,may have missed it but whats your plans on upgrading the cooling system if any?
Shane

Good question. Sure there will be some more heat, but I have an aftermarket block now that should provide improved cooling and my radiator is a decent one that should handle the load. We are convinced the overheating issue at RTTC was a direct result of the prolonged detonation sustained. I really should have mixed race gas in the tank for protection and I will never do an event without throwing some in there in the future. It's fairly cheap protection but nice to not require it when street driving or even an autoX event I figure.

The oil cooling system seemed to be working and again until the detonation presented itself, thats when water and oil temps shot up. I recall I have read there may be a slight aid in oil cooling from the Accusump? Not sure if that's true or how significant that could be though.

So I hope no changes needed in this department. Thanks for asking.

[intocarss]

[QUOTE=Flash68;412226]Good question. Sure there will be some more heat, but I have an aftermarket block now that should provide improved cooling and my radiator is a decent one that should handle the load. We are convinced the overheating issue at RTTC was a direct result of the prolonged detonation sustained. I really should have mixed race gas in the tank for protection and I will never do an event without throwing some in there in the future. It's fairly cheap protection but nice to not require it when street driving or even an autoX event I figure.

[QUOTE] Leaving the A/C off during track events will make a difference too :P

[Flash68]

Leaving the A/C off during track events will make a difference too :P

:D Check!

[Matt@BOS]

Dave, the Accusump should help a little with oil temps, as you will be benefiting from increased volume which will help dissipate heat a little. I've been toying with the idea of adding one myself, but I'm not really sure I need it since I don't really plan on long sessions on big tracks. Are you adding an oil cooler as well? You know, while you're at it :unibrow:

Matt

[FETorino]

Good question. Sure there will be some more heat, but I have an aftermarket block now that should provide improved cooling and my radiator is a decent one that should handle the load. We are convinced the overheating issue at RTTC was a direct result of the prolonged detonation sustained. I really should have mixed race gas in the tank for protection and I will never do an event without throwing some in there in the future. It's fairly cheap protection but nice to not require it when street driving or even an autoX event I figure.

The oil cooling system seemed to be working and again until the detonation presented itself, thats when water and oil temps shot up. I recall I have read there may be a slight aid in oil cooling from the Accusump? Not sure if that's true or how significant that could be though.

So I hope no changes needed in this department. Thanks for asking.

I know you were considering a dry sump at one point. Any more thought about that. You can definitely keep the oil temps consistent with a dry sump system. Plus the advantage of crankcase vacuum you can add some hp.

[Flash68]

Dave, the Accusump should help a little with oil temps, as you will be benefiting from increased volume which will help dissipate heat a little. I've been toying with the idea of adding one myself, but I'm not really sure I need it since I don't really plan on long sessions on big tracks. Are you adding an oil cooler as well? You know, while you're at it :unibrow:

Matt

Yeah it makes sense the added 3 quarts would help temps. It was either dry sump or accusump for me, but I wanted this modding session to be easy as possible. Dry sump presented many more changes ($$).

So you don't think you'll do any track days? Ahem, Buttonwillow! I mean, a session is a session and they are long and while my previous motor was not worth a lot of money, my new motor is and yours is big $ so I think it's cheap protection. It's pretty easy to plumb in and only a few hundred bucks for everything.

Oh, oil cooler was already done last year. Decent sized Earl's piece with -10An lines and the Mocal 180* thermostat.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/DSCF3717.jpg

[Track Junky]

Dont forget to flush your oil cooler and lines. Hate to see any gremlins from your last escapade wind up in your new motor. ;)

[Flash68]

I know you were considering a dry sump at one point. Any more thought about that. You can definitely keep the oil temps consistent with a dry sump system. Plus the advantage of crankcase vacuum you can add some hp.

Yeah I was very close to pulling the trigger on a system but a couple things changed my mind. Most of the nice pans I was looking at were too deep for my stock sub. So likely in the future there will be a different chassis under this car (more like a 3 year plan) and a new motor with dry sump. I made sacrifices for power (compression) and oiling (dry sump) on this motor, but I plan on phase 3 in maybe 3 years being a high compression dry sump Nascar type motor, something like Maier's Roush Yates Nationwide motor. But that's later... but I do consider where I think I'll be in 3 years to help make decisions today.

I definitely was liking the added hp of the dry sump as well. I estimated 20-30 hp over a wet sump based on my research.

Is your FE dry sump?

[Flash68]

Dont forget to flush your oil cooler and lines. Hate to see any gremlins from your last escapade wind up in your new motor. ;)

Good call. We'll be sure to do that. :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Is your FE dry sump?

Yes. :D With the RS chassis the typical road race pan would have my motor up higher in the chassis. The dry sump allows me three things.

1 Better oiling
2 Motor lower and farther back since my pan will be 3.5" deep max
3 Vacuum in the crankcase for more hp

I am trying to decide between Dailey and an integrated pump and AL pan or Aviad and a steel pan with external oil lines. :question: