1968 Camaro "Badmotorfinger" v2.2

[FETorino]

You just made my day, CONGRATS dude!!! That thing is so badass Rob had to use it in his avitar :brix: We'll try and win one tonight and dedicate it to this!!!

:hail:

JerDog

Where are you guys racing tonight?

To answer your technical question did they do :secret: YES :yes:

That there my friends is an example of how to get hp from a SBC. :thumbsup:

:willy: I'd be lying if I didn't say I was a little scared about our dyno duel :confused59:

Now that DG has unveiled v 2.222222222222 it ALMOST makes sense why it was a decade in the making. ALMOST.:P

Ah now for the smell of E85 in the morning and finally one of us walks away with....... Sh:censored: Dave it's been so long since we made this bet I forgot what it was. Did you write it down somewhere?:lmao:

It's just good to see you about to have a running motor.

:omg: :hapdance: :happy23: :hapdance:

Now get it on the dyno.

jkm1i2o6Ri8

:cheers:

[camcojb]

Let there be light...

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/null_zpsa16d3160.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/null_zpsa16d3160.jpg.html):confused59: :bow:

[Richio1]

That's one fine looking power plant there Flash. Can't wait to see/hear that baby roar.

I know it's been a long road... good for you. ( no avatar )

[DaleTx]

Wow...the engine looks great!

Can't wait to hear this one run... nice work :thumbsup:

:cheers:

[MX145]

Wow...the engine looks great!

Can't wait to hear this one run... nice work :thumbsup:

:cheers:

X2. Looks awesome!!

[sik68]

Orinda will never be the same :bur2:

[intocarss]

JerDog

Where are you guys racing tonight?

VENTURA FAIR GROUNDS..VRA SENIOR DWARF CARS

WHAT'S THAT BOTTLE OF LUBE FOR??

[FETorino]

WHAT'S THAT BOTTLE OF LUBE FOR??

Dave had an invoice from Mike to pay:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :G-Dub:

Good luck tonight

:cheers:

[badmatt]

Its.... so.....Beautiful... :hairpullout:

[Richio1]

Dave had an invoice from Mike to pay:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :G-Dub:

Good luck tonight

:cheers:

That's funny. :lol:

[Flash68]

:confused59: :bow:

Jody, am I on the right forum? And am I relieved of my duties yet? :lol:

That's one fine looking power plant there Flash. Can't wait to see/hear that baby roar.

I know it's been a long road... good for you. ( no avatar )

Thanks Jeff... I would like to a 1/4 mile run on one of those Wed night drag deals at Sonoma..... let's meet up. :thumbsup:

Oh, and that avatar should not scare you or anyone... it's a 6 lb cat and runt of the litter. :D

Orinda will never be the same

My neighbors have no idea what is coming.... except the neighbors I like. :peepwall:

Dave had an invoice from Mike to pay



Not yet.. but it's coming. :sieg:

You just made my day, CONGRATS dude!!! That thing is so badass Rob had to use it in his avitar :brix: We'll try and win one tonight and dedicate it to this!!!

:hail: :gitrdun:

Thanks big Jer... almost there man.... good luck!

July 20, 2013..aka the day the :beathorse known as BMF v2.2 finally stopped.

:thankyou:

Oh I am quite certain it will start up again at some point. :D

Wow...the engine looks great!

Can't wait to hear this one run... nice work :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Thanks Dale.

[Vegas69]

Bad ass!

[Track Junky]

Congrats Dave!! We've all been waiting for this for a long time!! That is fricken awesome!!:woot:

[WSSix]

Looks nice! Congrats. :thumbsup:

[Chad-1stGen]

Sexy looking engine! When does it get dynoed? :)

[fleetus macmullitz]

When does it get dynoed? :)

Yeah...our patience is wearing thin.

And don't call him John.


http://mlb.mlb.com/images/5/1/0/52162510/Harbaugh_v166xfb3.gif



:lol:

:hello:

[Flash68]

Sexy looking engine! When does it get dynoed? :)

Look what the cat dragged in! :poke:

Thanks Chad -- it's been too long bro -- dyno should be next week or the following at worst.

(I've said that before though so take with plenty of salt)

:peepwall:

[Sieg]

dyno should be next week or the following at worst.

This is bigger news than the Royal Baby!

ROCK this place DG! :captain1:

[tones2SS]

Yeah...our patience is wearing thin.

And don't call him John.


http://mlb.mlb.com/images/5/1/0/52162510/Harbaugh_v166xfb3.gif

lmao
Looks great man. Can't wait to see the numbers Dave!

[89 RS]

Dave, that engine is freakin' sweet!

[intocarss]

Hey I'm back...where's the fricken dyno vid!!!!! LETS :gitrdun:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Hey I'm back...where's the fricken dyno vid!!!!! LETS :gitrdun:

Waiting for car stuff ain't for the faint of heart...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPS0a31CAAEdK-w.jpg:large

[DFRESH]

Let there be light...

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So stoked to hear this bad boy being wrapped up brother! Very, very cool indeed. Can't wait to hear it thunder. Love the sb2 motors. Always wanted one for the racecar---so cool.

D

[waynieZ]

Sweet !

[Flash68]

The only constant is change.

:peepwall:

[Ron in SoCal]

The only constant is change.

:peepwall:

This is what, post #3? :lol:

You guys... I am trying to hold off on getting crazy here and you are not helping!! :willy:

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[FETorino]

The only constant is change.

:peepwall:

Interesting :popcorn2:

[Rybar]

Dave that motor looks great, congrats buddy

[Sieg]

The only constant is change.

:peepwall:

http://www.mediacamp.com/assets/strange-albert-einstein.jpg

[Stovebolter]

Very nice Dave.

[intocarss]

:y0!:

[Sieg]

:y0!:

Do you need a moderator's approval to speak up or Dave's? :D

[tones2SS]

Waiting for car stuff ain't for the faint of heart...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPS0a31CAAEdK-w.jpg:large

HA HA!!!!!
:lmao:

[intocarss]

Do you need a moderator's approval to speak up or Dave's? :DRob's

[fleetus macmullitz]

:y0!:

Do you need a moderator's approval to speak up or Dave's? :D

Ouch!

[Streetking]

Bad Ass!

[glassman]

Ouch!

Keep your eye on the ball(s)...owe!

Back on topic....

[Flash68]

Dyno day pending...

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[chr2002ca]

Awesome. Go kick some ass on that dyno. :thumbsup:

[Nick.V70]

Pretty spiffy looking! :cheers:

[DFRESH]

Is anyone else concerned that those plug wires aren't stout enough?

[Ron Sutton]

Is anyone else concerned that those plug wires aren't stout enough?

Was that sarcasm? :headscratch:

.

[Ron Sutton]

I apologize in advance if the answer is in your build thread.

I'm assuming you didn't keep the "Cup" camshaft. So what did you do for cam profile & type ?

.

[Flash68]

Is anyone else concerned that those plug wires aren't stout enough?

Was that sarcasm? :headscratch:

.

:lol:

Ron, you will meet Doug one day and you will understand. :D

I apologize in advance if the answer is in your build thread.

I'm assuming you didn't keep the "Cup" camshaft. So what did you do for cam profile & type ?

.

No worries. This thread is a quagmire for sure. :hitaxeonthehead:

It was not a cup camshaft to begin with. I purchased the motor used and we decided (were forced to) fix or redo quite a bit. The cam that came with it (Bullet) was in good shape and had pretty decent specs (but not ideal) so we are starting out with it. The plan is to upgrade the cam after my 2-3 year refresh (depending on usage) and rev it higher. But first thing's first....

Here are the specs:

264/274 @ .050
.390/.390 @ lobe
.663/.663 net lift with 1.7/1.7 rockers
113 LSA

This cam with the motor mostly as is (minus the head work, dry sump, E85) "supposedly" made 730 something hp below 7000 rpm and 610 or so ft lbs at around 6000 rpm.

We will know soon enough.

:G-Dub:

[DFRESH]

Was that sarcasm? :headscratch:

.

No, of course not.:sarcasm_smiley:

[Ron Sutton]

:lol:

Ron, you will meet Doug one day and you will understand. :D



No worries. This thread is a quagmire for sure. :hitaxeonthehead:

It was not a cup camshaft to begin with. I purchased the motor used and we decided (were forced to) fix or redo quite a bit. The cam that came with it (Bullet) was in good shape and had pretty decent specs (but not ideal) so we are starting out with it. The plan is to upgrade the cam after my 2-3 year refresh (depending on usage) and rev it higher. But first thing's first....

Here are the specs:

264/274 @ .050
.390/.390 @ lobe
.663/.663 net lift with 1.7/1.7 rockers
113 LSA

This cam with the motor mostly as is (minus the head work, dry sump, E85) "supposedly" made 730 something hp below 7000 rpm and 610 or so ft lbs at around 6000 rpm.

We will know soon enough.

:G-Dub:


Wow, our engines have a lot of similarities ... but with unique differences.

My engine makes 730hp at 7000 rpm & 600# of torque at 5600rpm ... cam is 265/274 @ .050 & .648"/.630" net lift ... and also runs on E85. But mine is 405" on 23° degree heads.


What cubic inches is yours?

[sik68]

:excited:

You going to take it easy on the pulls, or are you gonna play hungy hungry horsepower?

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs44/PRE/i/2009/096/f/5/They__re_Hungry_Hungry_Hippos_by_acarabet.jpg

[Flash68]

Wow, our engines have a lot of similarities ... but with unique differences.

My engine makes 730hp at 7000 rpm & 600# of torque at 5600rpm ... cam is 265/274 @ .050 & .648"/.630" net lift ... and also runs on E85. But mine is 405" on 23° degree heads.


What cubic inches is yours?



Wow that is dang near the same huh. Those are great numbers for a 23* motor. What heads do you use?
:bigun2:

But with my head work and mods I should be upper 700's I am guessing? If I hit the magic 800 I will be stoked.

My cubes are 437. 4.17 x 4.00

[Flash68]

:excited:

You going to take it easy on the pulls, or are you gonna play hungy hungry horsepower?

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs44/PRE/i/2009/096/f/5/They__re_Hungry_Hungry_Hippos_by_acarabet.jpg

Ha now that trumps my cat avatar for sure. :lol:

Mike doesn't chase hp on the dyno he says.. and the dyno is for making sure everything runs properly. We will just play with timing, jetting, and carb spacers.

Another of his lines is "it's gonna make what it's gonna make" :rules:

so hopefully that = FE power + a lot more. :bigun2:

[Ron Sutton]

Wow that is dang near the same huh. Those are great numbers for a 23* motor. What heads do you use?
:bigun2:

But with my head work and mods I should be upper 700's I am guessing? If I hit the magic 800 I will be stoked.

My cubes are 437. 4.17 x 4.00

They are Dart CNC ported heads with 227cc runners. This engine is very "developed."

The original incarnation made 673hp & 572#. 9 days on the dyno, 5 camshafts, 6 rocker arm combinations, 5 intake manifolds, 3 sets of headers, 3 carburetors, 2 days tweaking the fuel curve later ... whew ... and it now makes 731hp & 599#.

:trophy-1302:

.

[Flash68]

They are Dart CNC ported heads with 227cc runners. This engine is very "developed."

The original incarnation made 673hp & 572#. 9 days on the dyno, 5 camshafts, 6 rocker arm combinations, 5 intake manifolds, 3 sets of headers, 3 carburetors, 2 days tweaking the fuel curve later ... whew ... and it now makes 731hp & 599#.

:trophy-1302:

.

Yeah I figured it was "developed"... that's an understatement. :lol:

Ron, care to give me your educated guess of my engine results (hp/tq) based on what you know about it? :rules:

[intocarss]

IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!...GO GET EM TIGER :smiley_smack:

[Flash68]

IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!...GO GET EM TIGER :smiley_smack:

Thanks Jer... it's almost magic time.... hopefully next week at S&S. Do you know Rick Santos?

[intocarss]

Thanks Jer... it's almost magic time.... hopefully next week at S&S. Do you know Rick Santos? I don't know him presonally, but sure have heard of him... YOUR BABY IS COMING TO LIFE!!! CONGRATS!!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Dave your motor is bad a$$. Can't wait for the dyno numbers and vid :headspin: :thumbsup:

OT: Nice 69 in your sig! You think Big Red is running a factory spoiler @ 200 mph?

[Sieg]

OT: Nice 69 in your sig! You think Big Red is running a factory spoiler @ 200 mph?
Looks like it along with, airbrushed wheel covers, roof channels, and aero hood. Be interested in knowing the front and rear spring rates compared to their Silver State setup.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rVsSFSh/1/L/i-rVsSFSh-L.jpg

[glassman]

Whats it going over to S&S for ? i thought you were assembled and ready to go, no?

They are a top notch machine shop for as far back as i can remember, my family lived in that hood for 40+ years. I dont know them personally, but they did the machine work on my engine for my boat through a machine shop.....

Do they dyno and tune?

[Ron Sutton]

Yeah I figured it was "developed"... that's an understatement. :lol:

Ron, care to give me your educated guess of my engine results (hp/tq) based on what you know about it? :rules:

Sure!

I need a few more details ...
Carb or EFI size in CFM
Compression ratio
Rod length 6.0" or ?
Are the heads SB2 or SB2.2
Are the cylinder head intake runners 286cc or different ?
Header primary diameter & length
Collector diameter & length
Cam degreed at ???
Is cam a roller or big lifter flat tappet?
Also: Is this a 4.4" or 4.5" bore center block & head combo?


If you don't have it all, just get me what you can.

[WSSix]

Congrats on getting the engine ready for the dyno, Dave. Here's hoping you hit 800 :thumbsup:

[MX145]

Can't wait to see what she does. Hearing these motors fire up always gets my blood pumping. Never gets old! Your motor looks awesome btw!!

[Flash68]

Dave your motor is bad a$$. Can't wait for the dyno numbers and vid :headspin: :thumbsup:

OT: Nice 69 in your sig! You think Big Red is running a factory spoiler @ 200 mph?

Thanks Ronnie.... Yeah, Big Red...can't go wrong there...

And Big Red can run whatever spoiler it wants. It can't not go fast. :D

Whats it going over to S&S for ? i thought you were assembled and ready to go, no?

They are a top notch machine shop for as far back as i can remember, my family lived in that hood for 40+ years. I dont know them personally, but they did the machine work on my engine for my boat through a machine shop.....

Do they dyno and tune?

Mike Blackstone (Watson Racing) has known Rick Santos (S&S) a very long and Rick is one of the few guys Mike trusts in the bay area. Mike has a dyno but because mine will run E85 he prefers to dyno it over at Rick's since his fuel system is more beefed up and set up for a lot of the alcohol motors they do over there. Makes no diff to me. I am in good hands.


Sure!

I need a few more details ...
Carb or EFI size in CFM
Compression ratio
Rod length 6.0" or ?
Are the heads SB2 or SB2.2
Are the cylinder head intake runners 286cc or different ?
Header primary diameter & length
Collector diameter & length
Cam degreed at ???
Is cam a roller or big lifter flat tappet?
Also: Is this a 4.4" or 4.5" bore center block & head combo?


If you don't have it all, just get me what you can.




Carb is Holley HP950, but as you know Ron, factory ratings (especially Holley) are not reliable with respect to cfm.

Compression is 13:1

6.0" rods

Heads are SB2.2 worked by Curtis Boggs @ RFD in Virginia. I am guessing you know of him or have heard of him. Peak is 410-420 cfm at .900 but around 395-400 at .700 closer to where my cam net lift ends up. Low and mid lift numbers are strong. The work done was intended for road race (vs the Nascar CNC programs) and not max hp at high rpm.

Header is stepped 1-3/4 to 1-7/8 to 2.... 3.5 collector. Do not have length. It is a Profab Nascar type take off I believe.

Do not know cam degree number.

Cam solid roller.

Block is Dart Little M -- not a Bowtie/SB2 block.... so that must make it 4.4" I am guessing.


Congrats on getting the engine ready for the dyno, Dave. Here's hoping you hit 800 :thumbsup:

Thank you! Me too. :)

[FETorino]

That's great DG all you had to do was tell Ron look back at last Octobers posts for engine specs.:stirthepot:

Any real updates?:lmao:

[Flash68]

Ok.... wheels are finally done and on the car. I give you the Jongbloed Racing 330 wheel.... done locally in Morgan Hill.

18x12 front and 18x13 rear on 315 and 335 Hoosier A6's.

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[Flash68]

And the car is one the ground off the lift for the first time in probably 6 months. That's always a step forward.

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[Flash68]

Rich has been working on the fuel cell cage and I am really happy with how it's turning out. Just needs some top bars/straps and powdercoating. I gave Rich the "blueprints" for the cage found in Circle Track magazine. It uses about 50 feet of 1x1 square tubing. Heavy and a little overkill but about as safe as I can get I figure.
http://www.circletrack.com/safety/ctrp_1110_fuel_cell_mount_build/viewall.html

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[Flash68]

That's great DG all you had to do was tell Ron look back at last Octobers posts for engine specs.:stirthepot:

Any real updates?:lmao:

Nice avatar... :bitchslap: :D

[Matt@BOS]

And I thought the front of my car had stupid amounts of camber when I was looking at it the other day. BMF looks nothing but serious business now. And those wheels... I kind of really want some now.

[Flash68]

And I thought the front of my car had stupid amounts of camber when I was looking at it the other day. BMF looks nothing but serious business now. And those wheels... I kind of really want some now.

Well this is only 2.5* actually, which is what Jake specs for my setup. I don't consider that too extreme. But maybe that's part of my problem... since I don't consider this car too extreme. :peepwall:

[FETorino]

And I thought the front of my car had stupid amounts of camber when I was looking at it the other day. BMF looks nothing but serious business now. And those wheels... I kind of really want some now.

Matt Are you sure you can accept that hellafflush 315 on a 12" wheel up front.:cheers:

[Sieg]

BMF'n Outlaw :unibrow:

Flares :secret:

[intocarss]

BMF'n Outlaw :unibrow:

Flares :secret:

Outlaw 10.5?? :guns:

Without the flares... it looks like a dirt track car :drive:

:hello: :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Those wheels stick (stand) out...:wow: :D

Now that's a real update! :cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

Carb is Holley HP950, but as you know Ron, factory ratings (especially Holley) are not reliable with respect to cfm.
No worries. We're just ball parking here anyway.

Compression is 13:1

6.0" rods

Heads are SB2.2 worked by Curtis Boggs @ RFD in Virginia. I am guessing you know of him or have heard of him.
Yup.

Peak is 410-420 cfm at .900 but around 395-400 at .700 closer to where my cam net lift ends up. Low and mid lift numbers are strong. The work done was intended for road race (vs the Nascar CNC programs) and not max hp at high rpm.
Very similar to Busch/Nationwide numbers back then.

Header is stepped 1-3/4 to 1-7/8 to 2.... 3.5 collector. Do not have length. It is a Profab Nascar type take off I believe.
Cool. Also probably a Busch/Nationwide piece.

Do not know cam degree number.

Cam solid roller.

Block is Dart Little M -- not a Bowtie/SB2 block.... so that must make it 4.4" I am guessing.
It probably is.

Thank you! Me too. :)

My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)

[GregWeld]

Have you considered a set of INTROS??

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[Flash68]

Without the flares... it looks like a dirt track car :drive:

:hello: :thumbsup:

I almost wanna cut out the fenders and clean them up and leave it... modern pro dirt? :lol:

Those wheels stick (stand) out...:wow: :D

Now that's a real update! :cheers:

Thanks Ronster. Real updates are fun when they happen. :D

My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)



I like those.. pretty optimistic I think... but I'd take your guesses over Rob's. :bitchslap:

My guess is 790 hp @ 6800 and 625 ft lbs @ 6000.

Have you considered a set of INTROS??

Yep. Every Tuesday between 9 and 9:30am.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


You are killing me smalls!


I go to bed thinking about cars and feeling empty because no serious updates on Lat-G,,, Then BAM POW.... you throw this down.


Love it.

I like to please when I can. Myself included. :sieg:

[intocarss]

I almost wanna cut out the fenders and clean them up and leave it... modern pro dirt? :lol:

AND IT WILL CALLED THE "DIRT DIGGLER TOUR"!!!!:gitrdun: :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0047_zpsf5870c00.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0047_zpsf5870c00.jpg.html)

No wonder yer phone has been ringing non-stop. :cool:³

6FTLD6idBjA

[FETorino]

My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)




I like those.. pretty optimistic I think... but I'd take your guesses over Rob's. :bitchslap:

My guess is 790 hp @ 6800 and 625 ft lbs @ 6000.




What didn't you like about my guess:headscratch:

770 hp and 610 lbs doesn't sound so bad. It may still be a few months the way things roll on this thread.:popcorn2:

Have you considered a set of INTROS??

Who doesn't :headscratch:

:cheers:

[Payton King]

Must have thrown a glitch in the system and took Lat-G down.

I am happy for you. The car looks great!

[Flash68]

Must have thrown a glitch in the system and took Lat-G down.

I am happy for you. The car looks great!

LOL! Thanks P.... only Weld and his 12k posts could something like that. :innocent:

I'm ready to see some new pics of yours. :headspin:

[sixnina]

Nice Choice on the wheels Dave,
The car is looking wicked bada$$. Good job Richie on the gas tank mount.
Congrats.:thumbsup:

[Richio1]

Why don't we have a pool going for this?


Place your bets... Winner takes all. :G-Dub:

[Ron in SoCal]

Why don't we have a pool going for this?


Place your bets... Winner takes all. :G-Dub:

Jeff, we do have a "Pool" going after this. :lol: :cheers:

[GregWeld]

LOL! Thanks P.... only Weld and his 12k posts could something like that.:



I wouldn't have HALF of that if you boners hadn't hidden the multi post instructions from me!!!

[Sieg]

if you boners
He called us boners :sieg:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Richio1]

Jeff, we do have a "Pool" going after this. :lol: :cheers:

Yeah :D but it's a live pool not a dead pool. :happy23:

[Flash68]

Jeff, we do have a "Pool" going after this. :lol: :cheers:

Key word "after" ... as in behind... as in chasing... as in... ok you get it. :bigun2:

:cheers:

He called us boners :sieg:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:waveflag: :D

[FETorino]

Nice Choice on the wheels Dave,
The car is looking wicked bada$$. Good job Richie on the gas tank mount.
Congrats.:thumbsup:


I don't know I was thinking something polished would look better.:sarcasm_smiley:

:cheers:

[Richio1]

Holy, SH.. with the 2-5 new pages a day added to your thread somehow I missed these... Looks awesome!

Smokey would be proud

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg.html)



I still miss Vertigo. Man that was a bad ass car.

But this one is quickly replacing it. Cant wait to hear that motor roar.

Im tellin ya, we will have to get a group of us together for a day out at Sear Point next spring.

[intocarss]

THAT DOES LOOK BAD ASS!!!

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg.html)

[Flash68]

I don't know I was thinking something polished would look better.:sarcasm_smiley:

:cheers:

You know how I roll.

Holy, SH.. with the 2-5 new pages a day added to your thread somehow I missed these... Looks awesome!

Smokey would be proud

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg.html)



I still miss Vertigo. Man that was a bad ass car.

But this one is quickly replacing it. Cant wait to hear that motor roar.

Im tellin ya, we will have to get a group of us together for a day out at Sear Point next spring.

Thanks Jeff.... oh man the old Vertigo... haven't thought that (or suffered that) in a long time. I basically learned how to not build a car :lol: -- rookie project manager mistakes and the like.... yet somehow I make some of the old mistakes as well as new ones on this thing. :smiley_smack:

And since I built that car my interests and goals have changed... just slightly. :D

We def have to get some guys together around here. Would be a great time. Lots of people making good progress and coming close to finishing cars it seems. 2014 could be a good year. :thumbsup:

[mdprovee]

Dave, I cant wait to see it in action.

[MX145]

Your new wheels made your car look much more aggressive! I like it!

[Nessumsar]

Oh myyy!

You know I like it Dave... lol

Can't wait to she her in person after the makeover.

[Track Junky]

Holy, SH.. with the 2-5 new pages a day added to your thread somehow I missed these... Looks awesome!

Smokey would be proud

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0045_zpsfaa7e026.jpg.html)



I still miss Vertigo. Man that was a bad ass car.

But this one is quickly replacing it. Cant wait to hear that motor roar.

Im tellin ya, we will have to get a group of us together for a day out at Sear Point next spring.

Car looks wicked Dave!! Would love to do a group track day at Sonoma. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Dave, I cant wait to see it in action.

Thanks Mike!

Your new wheels made your car look much more aggressive! I like it!

Thanks! can't disagree. She's gonna get dirty and go into battle sooner or later!

Oh myyy!

You know I like it Dave... lol

Can't wait to she her in person after the makeover.

I know you're on board Jon.... my wide legged friend. :D

Car looks wicked Dave!! Would love to do a group track day at Sonoma. :thumbsup:

Thanks bro.... can't wait for you to show me those lines on our local tracks. :thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Camaro is looking killer Dave!

[Flash68]

on the dyno and just waiting on a couple little things to button it all up... day to day at this point

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_zps2a77658f.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_zps2a77658f.jpg.html)

Had to drive a little further to pick up some green Scribners, but it was appropriate... gotta love "race fuel" for $3.19 a gallon

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/b3751b91-c4d2-48e9-b524-0f3271ae5913_zpsd6866e3d.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/b3751b91-c4d2-48e9-b524-0f3271ae5913_zpsd6866e3d.jpg.html)

did a little chemistry test... the beer didn't win (but it did taste better)

Came out to E88... that's a lot of detonation protection :slingshot:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_001_zps7f0237b1.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_001_zps7f0237b1.jpg.html)

[Rick D]

Nice Dave, so once it's dynoed how long before it gets in the car?? We want to see track video :poke: as I'm sure you do as well at this point :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

OMG! I'll be on Social Security before this thing fires off.....



:bur2: :warning:

[FETorino]

OMG! I'll be on Social Security before this thing fires off.....



:bur2: :warning:

Aren't you already on SS?:lmao:

:cheers:

[Sieg]

OMG! I'll be on Social Security before this thing fires off.....

:bur2: :warning:
But will you have a building permit? :D

[Flash68]

Nice Dave, so once it's dynoed how long before it gets in the car?? We want to see track video :poke: as I'm sure you do as well at this point :thumbsup:

As soon as the engine is safely off the dyno, the car, engine & remaining loose items will be going down to see the Fab53 man Brett Campbell for some fab projects and to get this thing on the road (track) ASAP. :bigun2:

OMG! I'll be on Social Security before this thing fires off.....



:bur2: :warning:

Well if that ain't a layup.... I'll leave the SS alone for now. :D

I'll have the 2nd rendition of this engine done in a couple years before you're even picking colors for the drapes up there in Retirement Valley.

:bump:

[intocarss]

As soon as the engine is safely off the dyno, the car, engine & remaining loose items will be going down to see the Fab53 man Brett Campbell for some fab projects and to get this thing on the road (track) ASAP. :bigun2:





:bump: Once it's on the dyno..You're good to go in just couple a few minutes!!!!! Can ya believe it's happening....I can!!! DG.. will "you" be coming down to FAB 53??

[fleetus macmullitz]

OMG! I'll be on Social Security before this thing fires off.....



:bur2: :warning:

I'd apply online...they've seem to have changed the application requirements when you apply in person.

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4bb5ca327f8b9af856f30c00-480/airport-security-line.jpg



:hello:

[Flash68]

Once it's on the dyno..You're good to go in just couple a few minutes!!!!! Can ya believe it's happening....I can!!! DG.. will "you" be coming down to FAB 53??

Yes, I will absolutely be down to Fab53 at some point. I have to make sure Rob does not coerce Brett into making any Ferd type mods on my car. :action-smiley-027:

[FETorino]

Is the motor running yet? :stirthepot:

:cheers:

[Sieg]

Is the motor running yet? :stirthepot:

:cheers:
It's nearly done fermenting or is that ferdmenting? :sieg:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

oh nice, how did miss this thread!

beautiful!!

you know this car is right up my alley!

cant wait to see how this goes!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Soon DG will go from being George 'The Chucker' Costanza to Keith 'Game Seven' Hernandez....in our lifetimes, too.

Ferd Striped Camaro...FTW!



:D

[Flash68]

Is the motor running yet? :stirthepot:

:cheers:

You are on a need-to-know basis. And you .... well, you know the rest of that story. :twak:

oh nice, how did miss this thread!

beautiful!!

you know this car is right up my alley!

cant wait to see how this goes!

Thanks Amir... you missed it because there is a lot of shall we say "filler" in this thread... :lol: but I hope to be changing that soon and adding much more relevant detail. :gitrdun:

Soon DG will go from being George 'The Chucker' Costanza to Keith 'Game Seven' Hernandez....in our lifetimes, too.

Ferd Striped Camaro...FTW!



:D

But there was a second spitter! :confused59:

:D

[Flash68]

:king:

6uu9WHN_IK0

[intocarss]

So i searched 68 road race Camaro and 69 road race Torino...SAYS A LOT DON'T IT ;):underchair: :popcorn2:

[FETorino]

So i searched 68 road race Camaro and 69 road race Torino...SAYS A LOT DON'T IT ;):underchair: :popcorn2:

Really JerDog it's so easy.http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/GeicoCaveman_zpsf023b7b0.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/GeicoCaveman_zpsf023b7b0.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/caleYar_zps7f86fbac.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/caleYar_zps7f86fbac.jpg.html)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/Foyt69Riverside-vi_zps311e5a88.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/Foyt69Riverside-vi_zps311e5a88.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/pettychrishusseyphoto_zpsfbaa9cb8.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/pettychrishusseyphoto_zpsfbaa9cb8.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/72tor_zpsd689fe6d.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/72tor_zpsd689fe6d.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/lgtalladega_zpsa3b24741.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/lgtalladega_zpsa3b24741.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/MarioAndretti-1968.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/MarioAndretti-1968.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/69_Ford-Torino-Cobra-DV-10-AI_a01.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/69_Ford-Torino-Cobra-DV-10-AI_a01.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/69-Ford-Torino-Cobra-DV-10-AI-002.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/69-Ford-Torino-Cobra-DV-10-AI-002.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/LeeRoyYarbroughsweptthe1969GNevents___.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/LeeRoyYarbroughsweptthe1969GNevents___.jpg.html)ht tp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/1968_DAVID_PEARSON_HOLMAN_MOODY_NASCAR_FORD_TORINO _427_FRONT_1.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/1968_DAVID_PEARSON_HOLMAN_MOODY_NASCAR_FORD_TORINO _427_FRONT_1.jpg.html)

[Flash68]

Um haven't we seen all these Torinos before? Did you really need a do-over?

And here I thought I was being a good sport posting the Ford pic (on topic) in your thread. :bitchslap:

[intocarss]

Really JerDog it's so easy BMF FRONT PAGE!!! WHERE'S YOURS???

:flashie: :mock: :whistling:

[GregWeld]

Thank god they never built a "Torino Cobra"......

[FETorino]

Um haven't we seen all these Torinos before? Did you really need a do-over?

And here I thought I was being a good sport posting the Ford pic (on topic) in your thread. :bitchslap:

I apologize........:angel:

JerDog made me do it.:whistling:

Can I make it up to you?:captain1:

Thank god they never built a "Torino Cobra"......

And I won't take that BAIT.:shakehead:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/flare_zps46d8fb76.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/flare_zps46d8fb76.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/1967-chevy-camarofront-three-quarter_zps30897e4f.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/1967-chevy-camarofront-three-quarter_zps30897e4f.jpg.html)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/flare2_zpsc1ac3053.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/flare2_zpsc1ac3053.jpg.html)

:cheers:

[Flash68]

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/1967-chevy-camarofront-three-quarter_zps30897e4f.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/1967-chevy-camarofront-three-quarter_zps30897e4f.jpg.html)



Now that is just ... well, the picture says it all. :bigun2: You are forgiven.

P.S. I don't think it was a coincidence the other 2 Camaros were all dented up. :lol:

[GregWeld]

A guy has to love a Camaro done up in Ford GT40 Livery....

[Matt@BOS]

A guy [with a Camaro done up in Shelby Mustang livery] has to love a Camaro done up in Ford GT40 Livery....

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Sieg]

A guy has to love a Camaro done up in Ford GT40 Livery....
Porsche flew those colors in a few classes over the years too! :action-smiley-027:

http://cdn.fotocommunity.com/images/Motorsport/Rundstrecke/Gulf-Porsche-917-a25324391.jpg

[Flash68]

Originally Posted by GregWeld View Post
A guy [with a Camaro done up in Shelby Mustang livery] has to love a Camaro done up in Ford GT40 Livery....

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Glad you typed it before I could. Who doesn't love the stripes over the roof?!

[GregWeld]

Ya just gotta race for Gulf Oil....

[intocarss]

FTORINO always finds the good stuff:hello:

[FETorino]

FTORINO always finds the good stuff:hello:

Sometimes:mock:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/Wiseman29_zps63e5d588.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/Wiseman29_zps63e5d588.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

As long as we're posting REALLY OLD PHOTO'S ---- Can anyone remember when.......





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/file-32.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Fun%20Fotos/file-32.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS VEHICLE.... Last seen mid-decade.... pre nup. Please call 1-800-LIL-WANDA






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/file-33.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Fun%20Fotos/file-33.jpg.html)

[fleetus macmullitz]

Brutal GW brutal...lol


I'm still lookin for this one...cuz I prefer Camaros without them Ferd stripes on 'em.

p7P4ZXWQ6CI

The VertiMaro was :cool:

[intocarss]

Brutal GW brutal...lol


I'm still lookin for this one...cuz I prefer Camaros without them Ferd stripes on 'em.

p7P4ZXWQ6CI

The VertiMaro was :cool: I remember when I first saw that ^^video ^^ (it was linked from some Porsche site) I had no clue who DGflash68BMF was lololol. I thought WOW that car sure scared the "Porsche driver" :lmao: .....



Then i saw this video and thought HEY he's getting better :rolleyes:


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And now DGFlash68BMF is all grown up and has a big boy engine BUILT BUY A DRAG RACER!!!:thumbsup: :hello:

[Flash68]

Greg that is just COLD.... :lol:

I guess I really need some new material here.... :popcorn2:

[Sieg]

I guess I really need some new material here.... :popcorn2:

You know better than to say that!

bdcpLP_eYMo

[Flash68]

That guy is pretty dang good.

[fleetus macmullitz]

That guy is pretty dang good.

Rumor has it he was hired to make some SB2.2 dyno noises...

[tones2SS]

HAS ANYONE SEEN THIS VEHICLE.... Last seen mid-decade.... pre nup. Please call 1-800-LIL-WANDA
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/file-33.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Fun%20Fotos/file-33.jpg.html)

:lmao:
I haven't seen that car in a while. I wonder what the owner did with it? :unibrow:

[intocarss]

I knew there was something rt about DG!!!!

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/file-33.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Fun%20Fotos/file-33.jpg.html)

:thumbsup: :hello:

[Flash68]

Ok Mike decided to get after it today and made 2 warm up pulls to make sure no leaks and it wasn't going to grenade. :hairpullout:
Here is what he gave me for details:

30 degrees timing
Brad Penn 10w30 (18 quarts total!)
108 psi oil pressure

both runs from 4900 to 6600

604 ft lbs @ 4900
608 ft lbs @ 6600
peak of 640+ somewhere in between

764 hp @ 6600 and still climbing

The real fun and tuning begins tomorrow. :bigun2:

[DFRESH]

Ok Mike decided to get after it today and made 2 warm up pulls to make sure no leaks and it wasn't going to grenade. :hairpullout:
Here is what he gave me for details:

30 degrees timing
Brad Penn 10w30 (18 quarts total!)
108 psi oil pressure

both runs from 4900 to 6600

604 ft lbs @ 4900
608 ft lbs @ 6600
peak of 640+ somewhere in between

764 hp @ 6600 and still climbing

The real fun and tuning begins tomorrow. :bigun2:

Outstanding brother---those are some serious numbers right there. Looking forward to what awaits us tomorrow.

[Vegas69]

Have you called Rob to make sure he's still with us? :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ok Mike decided to get after it today and made 2 warm up pulls to make sure no leaks and it wasn't going to grenade. :hairpullout:
Here is what he gave me for details:

30 degrees timing
Brad Penn 10w30 (18 quarts total!)
108 psi oil pressure

both runs from 4900 to 6600

604 ft lbs @ 4900
608 ft lbs @ 6600
peak of 640+ somewhere in between

764 hp @ 6600 and still climbing



:thumbsup:

pBWcRqPesws&feature

[Flash68]

Have you called Rob to make sure he's still with us? :lol:

I did and he admitted that his last happy day was yesterday. It only gets worse from here on out. :lol:

[Richio1]

I did and he admitted that his last happy day was yesterday. It only gets worse from here on out. :lol:


Love that.


Congrats on the the stout numbers. Going to be one hell of a ride.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

F*&#in torque monster!!!!! :bur2:

[Rybar]

Awesome numbers Dave! Congrats! Thing is going to be a Monster

[Rick D]

Wow, hi Rob :hello:

That's some crazy warm up numbers there Dave!

[Sieg]

F*&#in torque monster!!!!! :bur2:
If he can hook it up it's going to come off the corners HARD!

[chr2002ca]

One bad mutha right there, and you ain't even tuned it yet. Can't wait to here it running in person. Congrats on the progress Dave. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

That'll work...

[Ron Sutton]

My calcs show 818hp @ 7000 rpm & 645# Torque at 5800rpm, but I had to guess at lot of stuff. Now lets go see what it really does. :)




Waiting patiently. :whistling: :stirthepot:

[sik68]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/hump-day-camel-gif.jpg

DYNO DAY!

[Matt@BOS]

How badly did your engine beat Rob's?

[sixnina]

How badly did your engine beat Rob's?

Yeah dg what's the verdict ??
Shane

[Flash68]

I feel like I should be more excited but I'm honestly just relieved that all went well. The excitement is starting to build though. :cheers:

Best numbers of the session:

795 hp @ 7200
643 ft lbs @ 5700

600+ ft lbs from 4800 to 6900

30* timing (tried 32* but roughly the same output)
No jet changes
1" 4-hole spacer

after warm up oil pressure settled at 30 psi @ idle
WOT oil psi still kinda high but Mike likes it

Mike is happy with the conservative timing & fuel numbers and thinks that gives me plenty of leeway for any future operator error. :D

I give you the FE Eater... turn up the volume if you'd like.

(and that's Pete on the right... he guards my motor from any Ford saboteur)
u2sdYxqu3eQ

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_002_zps1bfd5f9f.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_002_zps1bfd5f9f.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_0022_zpsc3e683a7.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_0022_zpsc3e683a7.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_0023_zpse59519d9.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_0023_zpse59519d9.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_0032_zps419e0eae.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_0032_zps419e0eae.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/photo_004_zps2de208c2.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/photo_004_zps2de208c2.jpg.html)

[Vegas69]

What are you compensating for? Oh ya, the driver. :D Wicked!

[Flash68]

What are you compensating for? Oh ya, the driver. :D Wicked!

You got that straight! Driver gonna need some work! :lol:

[57hemicuda]

If that doesn't give you a bit of a puffer, nothing will. Looks like the pulls went to 7500, which is short shifting that engine. LOL Hell, that thing should last forever keeping the rpm's down there. I really can't wait to see how the car puts down that much power, should be a hand full.

Randy Johnson's car made I think he said over 900hp at the wheels and it worked really well at Motorstate. If its anything like my experience with new engines, 2 weeks in you'll wondering what you can do to make it faster.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

You got that straight! Driver gonna need some work! :lol:

It's gonna be pretty on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights.

[intocarss]

Congrats!!!

[Ron Sutton]

It's gonna be pretty on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights.

It's gonna be "interesting" on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights. :)

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Hey Dave ! Congrats on getting her done ... dyno'd ... and making big power. :trophy-1302:

When you come off your high ... later this year ... I have questions.
a. Do you know why the dyno sheet shows two fuel lb/hr columns (A & B)
b. The BSFC #s are utilizing Fuel B Lb/Hr ... ask him if these #'s are accurate?
c. Did you guys run any EGT or O2 sensors? If yes, can you post those sheets?
d. Did you guys do any carb tuning?
e. If yes, did you tune any air bleeds?

I can tell you guys ran her "safe" by the BSFC #s. You remember when I said mine was "developed"?

I think your baby has another 25-30 hp in her up top ... but you'll never need it anyway.

Congrats !!! :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Party time! :cheers:

Dave's gonna do the Ricky Ricardo dance tonight!
ku44onHEY9I

[Rick D]

WOW that's freaking awesome Dave!!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Party time! :cheers:

Dave's gonna do the Ricky Ricardo dance tonight!
ku44onHEY9I

:lol:

Ron FTW!

[89 RS]

That motor sounds insane! Very nice Dave.

[sik68]

Congrats on the successful pulls and making da big boy power, the car is going to be insane! 795hp at 84 deg air temp....you're over 800hp on most Bay Area days.

:flag2:

What's your rear gear ratio again?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Congrats on the successful pulls and making da big boy power, the car is going to be insane! 795hp at 84 deg air temp....you're over 800hp on most Bay Area days.

:flag2:

What's your rear gear ratio again?

3:42's and a 6 speed FTW!

Have fun trying to sleep tonight Dave. LoL

[intocarss]

I love it when it pulls down and then the floor, walls and windows vibrate OH and the smell!!! ..I miss dyno days

u2sdYxqu3eQ

[FETorino]

:waveflag: Don't shoot DG:waveflag: Don't shoot :waveflag:

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[DFRESH]

Nice job bro--that is certainly stout fo shizzle! Can't wait to here that bad mama in the car at an event.

D

[Flash68]

Weld called and told me I better use multi-quote...

If that doesn't give you a bit of a puffer, nothing will. Looks like the pulls went to 7500, which is short shifting that engine. LOL Hell, that thing should last forever keeping the rpm's down there. I really can't wait to see how the car puts down that much power, should be a hand full.

Randy Johnson's car made I think he said over 900hp at the wheels and it worked really well at Motorstate. If its anything like my experience with new engines, 2 weeks in you'll wondering what you can do to make it faster.

Yeah nothing like seeing your :G-Dub: being pulled to 7500 right before your eyes. Well this cam is pretty small and I really was never planning to rev it past 7000, but I guess 7200-7300 is in order now.

Handful is right.... I can always throw a cam/rocker/carb change in it and hit 900. Like I need that.

It's gonna be pretty on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights.

200 will be indeed interesting... I will probably get some Rivals since they carry my sizes for RTTC... but will start out with my Hoosier scrubs. A6.


It's gonna be "interesting" on 200 tread wear tires and sound nice in the straights. :)

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Hey Dave ! Congrats on getting her done ... dyno'd ... and making big power.

When you come off your high ... later this year ... I have questions.
a. Do you know why the dyno sheet shows two fuel lb/hr columns (A & B)
b. The BSFC #s are utilizing Fuel B Lb/Hr ... ask him if these #'s are accurate?
c. Did you guys run any EGT or O2 sensors? If yes, can you post those sheets?
d. Did you guys do any carb tuning?
e. If yes, did you tune any air bleeds?

I can tell you guys ran her "safe" by the BSFC #s. You remember when I said mine was "developed"?

I think your baby has another 25-30 hp in her up top ... but you'll never need it anyway.

Congrats !!!



Thanks Ron!

a. I forgot what Mike said on this, but Rob reminded me, that A & B are primary and secondary fuel flow readings... he knows where he wants them and said these #'s were right there

b. I will have to ask him this... how can you tell they are using Fuel B?

c. No EGT and no O2. I will have O2 bungs welded into my collectors for in car gauge

d. Nope. He liked it where it was he said.

e. No, he just played with the ide mixture screws (they were bottomed out as delivered I guess)

As you can tell, Mike doesn't like to spend a lot of time tuning on the dyno. His philosophy is to get it running safe, make sure no leaks/issues, and pull it off and do the tuning in the car.

Yep, he tunes on BSFC and said he knows what he is looking for. He liked it a little rich here.

He said there is more power in it also. He also said I could take it somewhere else in the Bay Area (Top of the Hill, Panella, etc) and it would hit 830+ hp. He said Pro Stock motors are 100 hp down on his dyno and mine is prolly 40-50 down. I don't really care. (Ok yes I do - I wish it hit 800 :D) But you get the point.

And you nailed it... this is as much power as I need... for now. :)


Party time! :cheers:

Dave's gonna do the Ricky Ricardo dance tonight!


That is a great use of the youtubage there Ron.... am I still part of the Rontourage? :hitaxeonthehead:

Congrats on the successful pulls and making da big boy power, the car is going to be insane! 795hp at 84 deg air temp....you're over 800hp on most Bay Area days.

:flag2:

What's your rear gear ratio again?

Yes sir... 800 woulda been nice but it's all good.

Rear gear is 3.64 to start.

3:42's and a 6 speed FTW!

Have fun trying to sleep tonight Dave. LoL

Like my old 95 Z28. lol

Been a long day... I should sleep well.. but I probably won't.

I love it when it pulls down and then the floor, walls and windows vibrate OH and the smell!!! ..I miss dyno days



That's a fun time ain't it? Slightly nerve racking though. :wacko:

:waveflag: Don't shoot DG:waveflag: Don't shoot :waveflag:

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Like I told you earlier... 2nd place ain't too bad here. That make ya feel any better? :lol:

Nice job bro--that is certainly stout fo shizzle! Can't wait to here that bad mama in the car at an event.

D

Thanks Doc.... RTTC2014 here we come.... just keep that drag car away from me and don't steal my thunder. :bigun2:

[96z28ss]

Nice job bro--that is certainly stout fo shizzle! Can't wait to here that bad mama in the car at an event.

D

Oh yeah can't wait to hear that motor rev up in the car.
It's going to sound so good bouncing off the rev limiter.

[Sieg]

Pretty amazing numbers Dave :thumbsup:

I'm going to play "Mother" now, is your roll cage and safety equipment equal to what you're creating?

You're not in the pro-tinkering or pro-touring class anymore.

Additional Gussets and X-bracing?

[Ron Sutton]

Pretty amazing numbers Dave :thumbsup:

I'm going to play "Mother" now, is your roll cage and safety equipment equal to what you're creating?

You're not in the pro-tinkering or pro-touring class anymore.

Additional Gussets and X-bracing?

Yes ... what he said ... X2.

[Flash68]

Oh yeah can't wait to hear that motor rev up in the car.
It's going to sound so good bouncing off the rev limiter.

Hopefully we keep it under 7400 this time. Unless you are working that corner I might raise it just for you Bob.

Pretty amazing numbers Dave :thumbsup:

I'm going to play "Mother" now, is your roll cage and safety equipment equal to what you're creating?

You're not in the pro-tinkering or pro-touring class anymore.

Additional Gussets and X-bracing?

Fair question and I've been planning for safety upgrades since last year. I already have a fairly complete stout cage. The only thing needed to really "complete" is an under dash bar and then tying in the front down bars to that. I am working with Brett on a plan to try to do that. It's not for certain but I'd like to.

6 nozzle Fire suppression already purchased last year.
6 point camlock harnesses purchased recently.
Sparco suit, gloves, boots
CarbonX long sleeve shirt and underwear
Nomex socks and head sock
HJC helmet

Might do some A pillar gussets too. I'd like to.


Yes ... what he said ... X2.



I think I am doing pretty good.... you guys should go work on Gaetano now. :angel: :D

[intocarss]

Hopefully we keep it under 7400 this time. Unless you are working that corner I might raise it just for you Bob.



Fair question and I've been planning for safety upgrades since last year. I already have a fairly complete stout cage. The only thing needed to really "complete" is an under dash bar and then tying in the front down bars to that. I am working with Brett on a plan to try to do that. It's not for certain but I'd like to.

6 nozzle Fire suppression already purchased last year.
6 point camlock harnesses purchased recently.
Sparco suit, gloves, boots
CarbonX long sleeve shirt and underwear
Nomex socks and head sock
HJC helmet

HEAD & NECK RESTRAINT

Might do some A pillar gussets too. I'd like to.




I think I am doing pretty good.... you guys should go work on Gaetano now. :angel: :D

I FIXED IT FOR YOU!!! :guns: Don't worry Gae's gona get a talking to too :buttkick:

[Sieg]

I think I am doing pretty good.... you guys should go work on Gaetano now. :angel: :D
I don't think his motor is as capable of inducing the caliber of cartwheels your's could. :sieg:

Both of you have probably exceeded the performance levels of '68-'70 era Trans Am cars and you're exceeding the current Vintage Trans Am car performance level..........I'd be looking at the level cages the vintage boys are running and see what you can realistically adapt to BMF V.2.

I am completely in support of what you are doing and don't want to sour the hype of this moment in any way as the car is over the top impressive to me.......but you've somewhat built the perfect storm with the new grip and horsepower levels...........your safety is more important to me than the car. :thumbsup:

Sincerely,
Momma Sieg

[Track Junky]

Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

Leave it to Dave to make me go out and spend more money now :bang: :lol:

[Sieg]

Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

Leave it to Dave to make me go out and spend more money now :bang: :lol:

At least you won't get thoroughly embarrassed.....my car on the other hand is in the garage :underchair: whimpering and shaking. :D

[DaleTx]

Congrats Dave!... That is one awesome engine you've built :thumbsup:

:cheers:

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[Greg from Aus]

Dave congratulations on a killer combo, sounds fantastic.

[coolwelder62]

Pretty frickin Cool.!!!!!!!!!!Wouldn't mind doin SB2.2 in a project someday.Sound's awesome.Look's like this Thread could pass Payback shortly.Might have to figure a way come too the west for RTTC.:hail:

[intocarss]

OK, ENGINE IS DONE...MORE UPDATE PICS OF THE OF THE CAR !!!! :hello:

[Flash68]

I FIXED IT FOR YOU!!! :guns: Don't worry Gae's gona get a talking to too

HANS is also on the shopping list too. I forgot to add that. :thumbsup:

I don't think his motor is as capable of inducing the caliber of cartwheels your's could.

Both of you have probably exceeded the performance levels of '68-'70 era Trans Am cars and you're exceeding the current Vintage Trans Am car performance level..........I'd be looking at the level cages the vintage boys are running and see what you can realistically adapt to BMF V.2.

I am completely in support of what you are doing and don't want to sour the hype of this moment in any way as the car is over the top impressive to me.......but you've somewhat built the perfect storm with the new grip and horsepower levels...........your safety is more important to me than the car.

Sincerely,
Momma Sieg

I appreciate it, Momma, but if you look around our site, I have more safety items (on the car and on person) than 95% of those running. And I am adding more.... I'm serious about it and heading in the right direction.

And Gaetano is damn fast for a pretty simple setup. I think 140 on the straights that he can hit is enough to do cartwheels -- isn't any caliber of cartwheel bad on a track? :mock:

Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!



You aren't. :lol:

At least you won't get thoroughly embarrassed.....my car on the other hand is in the garage :underchair: whimpering and shaking. :D

Come on out and play. The driver is the X factor no? :sieg:

Congrats Dave!... That is one awesome engine you've built :thumbsup:



Thank you. I just got in the way... it would have been built faster and cheaper had I stayed out of it. :lol:
I did learn a hell of a lot though.

I'm hoping that you will let me do some of my 4130 cage wonders on your Ride. After seeing that monster.... It sure would fit the build.

Congrats, that is just wicked. Looking forward to working on your project.

I can't wait! I am thinking some of your 4130 magic is in order... :stirthepot:

Dave congratulations on a killer combo, sounds fantastic.

Thank you sir!

Pretty frickin Cool.!!!!!!!!!!Wouldn't mind doin SB2.2 in a project someday.Sound's awesome.Look's like this Thread could pass Payback shortly.Might have to figure a way come too the west for RTTC.:hail:

Scott, get your butt out here. Payback? I have enough trouble keeping up with RonInSocal for President 2016. :waveflag:

OK, ENGINE IS DONE...MORE UPDATE PICS OF THE OF THE CAR !!!! :hello:

Can I get a couple weeks please? :drowninga:

[coolwelder62]

HANS is also on the shopping list too. I forgot to add that. :thumbsup:



I appreciate it, Momma, but if you look around our site, I have more safety items (on the car and on person) than 95% of those running. And I am adding more.... I'm serious about it and heading in the right direction.

And Gaetano is damn fast for a pretty simple setup. I think 140 on the straights that he can hit is enough to do cartwheels -- isn't any caliber of cartwheel bad on a track? :mock:



You aren't. :lol:



Come on out and play. The driver is the X factor no? :sieg:



Thank you. I just got in the way... it would have been built faster and cheaper had I stayed out of it. :lol:
I did learn a hell of a lot though.



I can't wait! I am thinking some of your 4130 magic is in order... :stirthepot:



Thank you sir!



Scott, get your butt out here. Payback? I have enough trouble keeping up with RonInSocal for President 2016. :waveflag:



Can I get a couple weeks please? :drowninga:Are you going to repaint the car RED!!!!!!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Holy Hell!! How the hell am I supposed to compete with that!!

Leave it to Dave to make me go out and spend more money now :bang: :lol:

should I start wiping down that stroker LS7 in the shed? I think you should be fine as long as you stay ahead of all the tire smoke (jet wash) LOL

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I'm hoping that you will let me do some of my 4130 cage wonders on your Ride. After seeing that monster.... It sure would fit the build.

Congrats, that is just wicked. Looking forward to working on your project.

twin halo funny car style!!!!!!

[intocarss]

Did you take the engine home with you??

[Sieg]

I appreciate it, Momma, but if you look around our site, I have more safety items (on the car and on person) than 95% of those running. And I am adding more.... I'm serious about it and heading in the right direction.[\QUOTE]
99.8% of the cars on the site don't have your power to weight ratio and aren't capable of the level of grip. :action-smiley-027:

[QUOTE]And Gaetano is damn fast for a pretty simple setup. I think 140 on the straights that he can hit is enough to do cartwheels -- isn't any caliber of cartwheel bad on a track? :mock:

Personally I really like the spectacular cartwheels that the driver walks away from. :mock:

Come on out and play. The driver is the X factor no? :sieg:
:snapout:
To a degree.......getting gapped 8-10 car lengths on the straight lap after lap makes it tough. The way I see it given enough laps is I'd have two reasonable chances against you. 1) You run out of fuel. 2) You run the rear tires to the cords.
:thumbsup:

[glassman]

Endurance? sieg...

Are you dropping in the car? at your home or down in the South Bay? ya gottal be itchin to drive that baby!!! I'm droolin just watchin....

[Track Junky]

should I start wiping down that stroker LS7 in the shed?

Nah...I'm gonna wait and see how things play out............H.P. will help him at T-Hill but wont be a big threat at Sonoma. Regardless, I'm still going to tuck away a few horsepower bones just in case :relax:

[Flash68]

Are you going to repaint the car RED!!!!!!!

That's not the worst idea I ever heard. :D But I really like the Viper blue paint that came with the car. And it's pretty decent considering it's nearing 15 years old.

Did you take the engine home with you??

Nope. Engine and car are waiting to be picked up by the Fab man... Fab53 that is... he is coming up soon. :thumbsup:


99.8% of the cars on the site don't have your power to weight ratio and aren't capable of the level of grip. :action-smiley-027:







Those sound like positives for me, yes? :RunninDog:



To a degree.......getting gapped 8-10 car lengths on the straight lap after lap makes it tough. The way I see it given enough laps is I'd have two reasonable chances against you. 1) You run out of fuel. 2) You run the rear tires to the cords.
:thumbsup:

That sounds like another good thing for me. :D

Endurance? sieg...

Are you dropping in the car? at your home or down in the South Bay? ya gottal be itchin to drive that baby!!! I'm droolin just watchin....

No, still lots of fab work to do up and down the car. I have neither the skills nor the tools to do it myself. So it's heading south to Long Beach to the new Fab53 shop to finish her up. I am stoked to be one of Brett's first customers in his new venture. :thumbsup:

Nah...I'm gonna wait and see how things play out............H.P. will help him at T-Hill but wont be a big threat at Sonoma. Regardless, I'm still going to tuck away a few horsepower bones just in case :relax:

Will I be a threat in the parking lot when you set up your skidpad? :lol:

[GrabberGT]

To a degree.......getting gapped 8-10 car lengths on the straight lap after lap makes it tough. The way I see it given enough laps is I'd have two reasonable chances against you. 1) You run out of fuel. 2) You run the rear tires to the cords.
:thumbsup:

Having a mental flashback to arcade days where the only way to keep up and win the racing game was to keep hitting the "NOS" button and hope you dont run out.

[intocarss]

Nope. Engine and car are waiting to be picked up by the Fab man... Fab53 that is... he is coming up soon. :thumbsup:



SWEET!!! Maybe I'll sneak on down there for a peak!!!

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH !!:secret:

BMF BLUE CREW

[Track Junky]

Will I be a threat in the parking lot when you set up your skidpad? :lol:

I couldn't tell ya....I dont do cone zones :lol:

[Sieg]

Those sound like positives for me, yes? :RunninDog:
Yes but things happen fast with high grip and horsepower..........

N89v6Wj82lQ

...........and those guys have state of the art traction control and I don't want to see you holding a yard sale anytime soon. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Will I be a threat in the parking lot when you set up your skidpad? :lol:

Oh man...that's a GW :weld: stage 3 whacking!


:lol:




BMF BLUE CREW

Jerdog, is that you in there? :shakehead:



http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/bl/bluemaninterview/bluemaninterview_story1.jpg



:hello: sigh...




:D

[Sieg]

Having a mental flashback to arcade days where the only way to keep up and win the racing game was to keep hitting the "NOS" button and hope you don't run out.
I left out option 3) Pull over in on escape road and wait, then pull out in front and block him like Big Wanda. :unibrow:

[GregWeld]

I couldn't tell ya....I dont do cone zones :lol:




I love you man!!!



HAHAHAHAHA

[Chad-1stGen]

Badass numbers Dave!!

Will have to swing by Brett's new shop for a tour when you get your car down here.

I just hope you have figured out how to continue running the boom tube exhaust with the new motor and chassis :) That would be music to my (bleeding) ears!

[Streetking]

Great numbers, congrats!!

[Flash68]

I couldn't tell ya....I dont do cone zones :lol:

Ok fine let's meet at Adams in the spring for their big autocross without cones? That better? :D

Yes but things happen fast with high grip and horsepower..........

N89v6Wj82lQ

...........and those guys have state of the art traction control and I don't want to see you holding a yard sale anytime soon. :D

I am listening... what would you have me do that is not already done or in process?

I left out option 3) Pull over in on escape road and wait, then pull out in front and block him like Big Wanda. :unibrow:

:lol:

Badass numbers Dave!!

Will have to swing by Brett's new shop for a tour when you get your car down here.

I just hope you have figured out how to continue running the boom tube exhaust with the new motor and chassis :) That would be music to my (bleeding) ears!

Thanks Chadwick... Brett and I talked about the boomtube and we are committed to making it work.. or at least the majority of it. I have added a little something to tone down the note just a tad... but not too much. :)

[Track Junky]

Ok fine let's meet at Adams in the spring for their big autocross without cones? That better? :D

Your first track day with that beast is going to be at Adams? Boy, you'll really going to get a chance to stretch her legs their :lol:

Just kiddin' Bro........we're going to have some good times when she's done :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Your first track day with that beast is going to be at Adams? Boy, you'll really going to get a chance to stretch her legs their :lol:

Just kiddin' Bro........we're going to have some good times when she's done :thumbsup:

I never said it'd be my first track day. :computer: I think a good first track day might be Willow Springs after Brett is done with it... I like the Extreme Speed group and have run with them twice before down there.

And good times are brewin I agree. :D

[Track Junky]

All I can say is I cant wait to see that beast run. She's going to be meaner than a junk yard dog :yes: :cheers:

[Flash68]

Great numbers, congrats!!

Thanks SW... pretty pedestrian numbers for you. :D

[seancarole]

WoW!!! Rocking #`s !!!
Who`s midplate you gona use?:king:

[Flash68]

WoW!!! Rocking #`s !!!
Who`s midplate you gona use?:king:

Ha, ain't going quite that far.

Thanks!

[seancarole]

What? gona use front plate trans mount ?????????????????

[Flash68]

What? gona use front plate trans mount ?????????????????

That was the plan. Trying to keep things simple. You don't like that call I take it.

[Sieg]

I am listening... what would you have me do that is not already done or in process?
I know you are.....cage and seat mount strength, steering column. I'm not going to push it any farther. just wanted to make sure there's a balance of horsepower and safety in the build because that motor definitely tips the scales. :bigun2: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I know you are.....cage and seat mount strength, steering column. I'm not going to push it any farther. just wanted to make sure there's a balance of horsepower and safety in the build because that motor definitely tips the scales. :bigun2: :thumbsup:

Good points. I am going to raise the front of my seat bracket to get a better angle and body position -- something I wasn't happy with before. I have the Corbeau sliding seat brackets for now, but I do like the side mounts and figure they are stronger.

Also have considered a Woodward type column.... I do have the factory collapsible column for what's worth. I know, it ain't close to a Woodward but it's better than nothing and what many have.

I do appreciate and welcome this discussion. :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

I do appreciate and welcome this discussion. :thumbsup:
I know you do. :thumbsup:
Greg's rear loop bracing grabbed my attention as a good start, I'm far from an engineer or cage expert though. Sutton and Alston appear to know them well.
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=39645&d=1370240467

If the cage, seat, belts, and column all do their job in a "substantial" event that's reasonable safety.

[Flash68]

I know you do. :thumbsup:
Greg's rear loop bracing grabbed my attention as a good start, I'm far from an engineer or cage expert though. Sutton and Alston appear to know them well.
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=39645&d=1370240467

If the cage, seat, belts, and column all do their job in a "substantial" event that's reasonable safety.

I would like to get my cage checked out and evaluated at some point. The previous owner took the car to a fab shop and asked them to build him an SCCA cage... I just don't know exactly how well it passes muster.

Greg's cage is very nicely done it appears.

If Brett is able to complete the front tie-in, which I am sure he is capable of, then I think I will be pretty satisfied with my cage front to back.

[Sieg]

If Brett is able to complete the front tie-in, which I am sure he is capable of, then I think I will be pretty satisfied with my cage front to back.
My guess is Brett will know if it's structurally right or wrong. :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

This is a good conversation ! :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

FROM 2001 SCCA FOURM

some more info, from another thread in the Technical Forum, about Roll Cages...

6. Material:
A. Seamless, or DOM (Drawn Over Mandrel) mild steel tubing
(SAE 1010, 1020, 1025) or equivalent, or alloy steel tubing
(SAE, 4130) shall be used for all roll cage structures. Proof
of use of alloy steel is the responsibility of the entrant.
B. Minimum tubing sizes (all Formula, Sports Racing, GT, and
Production Category automobiles, and all automobiles
registered prior to June 1, 1994) for all required roll cage
elements (All dimensions in inches):
Vehicle Weight Material
Without Driver Mild Steel Alloy Steel
Up to 1500 lbs. 1.375 x .095 1.375 x .080
1500-2500 lbs. 1.50 x .095 1.375 x .095
Over 2500 lbs. 1.50 x .120, 1.50 x .095
1.625 x .120,
or 1.75 x .095
C. Minimum tubing sizes for (all Showroom Stock, Touring and
Improved Touring Category automobiles registered after June
1, 1994) for all required roll cage elements (All dimensions in
inches):
Up to 1500 lbs 1.375 x .095 DOM / Seamless / Alloy
1501-2200 lbs 1.500 x .095 DOM / Seamless / Alloy
or 1.500 x .120 ERW
2201-3000 lbs 1.500 x .120 DOM / Seamless / Alloy
1.625 x .120 DOM / Seamless / Alloy
1.750 x .095 DOM / Seamless / Alloy
or 1.750 x .120 ERW
(American Sedans may construct to these
specifications regardless of weight.)

3001-4000 lbs 1.750 x .120 DOM / Seamless / Alloy - No
ERW
Over 4000 lbs 2.000 x .120 DOM / Seamless / Alloy - No
ERW
Main hoop: 4 bends maximum, totaling 180 degrees ± 10
degrees.
Front hoop: 4 bends maximum or Front downtubes: 2 bends
maximum.
Rear hoop supports: No bends.
If any of the above bend requirements cannot be met, all
components of the roll cage shall be fabricated from the tubing
size(s) listed for the next heavier category of automobiles.
D. For purposes of determining tubing sizes, the vehicle weight
is as raced without fuel and driver. The minus tolerance for
wall thickness should not be less than .010" below the nominal
thickness. Improved Touring roll cage tubing sizes are to be
calculated based on the published vehicle weight minus 180
lbs.
E. An inspection hole at least 3/16 inch diameter shall be drilled
in a non-critical area of all tubes with a specified size to
facilitate verification of wall thickness.


PIC OF CAGES
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[Flash68]

If anything I will probably follow as closely as possible the rules & regs for AIX. I may try to run this car in that class sooner or later, but of course I will be at a major disadvantage in the weight category. Everything else is looking decent and Jake's subframe is an approved subframe (the class requires stock subs or an approved aftermarket bolt in version)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasaproracing.com%2Frules%2Fa merican_iron%2Famerican_iron_extreme.pdf&ei=3SAZUqTgDqr1iwK8oYGYDg&usg=AFQjCNFN4HIU-bnOuJsILff9qaRwFp7xwQ&sig2=btsxDwewhurCQBcjEzlJnQ&bvm=bv.51156542,d.cGE

This is a good conversation ! :thumbsup:

I agree!

[MX145]

A lot going on over here lately. Glad to see you're making progress Dave!

[Ron Sutton]

When you do you get your bad mamma jamming engine back in the car ?

[seankc31]

:offtopic: does anyone know what the original side markers and front signal lights look like for 68 camaro? where they amber with amber light or white/clear with amber light? I have to buy some and when I get an inspection they may say something if its clear I have to follow DOT standards for now :bang:

[Flash68]

When you do you get your bad mamma jamming engine back in the car ?

Brett is coming up this weekend it looks like (and maybe even my arch nemesis Rob :stirthepot:) to grab all my stuff and take it all down to his new shop and start kickin some ass on it. Can't wait. :thumbsup:

:offtopic: does anyone know what the original side markers and front signal lights look like for 68 camaro? where they amber with amber light or white/clear with amber light? I have to buy some and when I get an inspection they may say something if its clear I have to follow DOT standards for now :bang:

Hey Sean, I actually do not know as I have never really paid attention to that. But I am sure someone on here knows and can chime in for you with an answer.

[intocarss]

:offtopic: does anyone know what the original side markers and front signal lights look like for 68 camaro? where they amber with amber light or white/clear with amber light? I have to buy some and when I get an inspection they may say something if its clear I have to follow DOT standards for now :bang: FRONT SIGNAL ARE AMBER AND FRONT SIDE MARKERS ARE CLEAR


Brett is coming up this weekend it looks like (and maybe even my arch nemesis Rob :stirthepot:) to grab all my stuff and take it all down to his new shop and start kickin some ass on it. Can't wait. :thumbsup:



REALLY??? YOU'RE GONA LET ROB BE ALONE WITH BMF???:confused59: :bitchslap: :lostmarbles: :underchair: :gitrdun:

[Flash68]

Ok I have been playing with my new MSD 6AL-2 programmable box and trying to set up a fuel curve here. First time doing this and wondering what you guys think.

On the dyno we ended up with 30* timing (dist locked out).

Since I will run this on the street occasionally and thought programming some retard down low would help at start up and low speeds/off-idle.

Figured the idle will be in the 1100-1200 range so I started the curve at 1400 rpm and have it all in at 3000. I've some curves where the retard is linear from zero up to 2500 or 3000, and then I have seen some like this where it's a "flat lined" constant retard for an rpm range before getting up to all in at 2500 or 3000.

What do you guys think?

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[Vegas69]

With that combination, you won't bog it down in gear below 2,000 or so. If you do, you will want less timing to prevent detonation.

[67zo6Camaro]

lateral-g

[Flash68]

I'm just planning a little road trip.... and I thought I would stop by and say Hi. :innocent: :thumbsup:

Does it involve any Fords? :D

:gitrdun:

[GregWeld]

My honest opinion --- that's what your DYNO operator should have been helping you with....


A guess on timing is a motor that's going to have problems.

[Flash68]

My honest opinion --- that's what your DYNO operator should have been helping you with....


A guess on timing is a motor that's going to have problems.

There is no guessing here on timing. We already tuned for timing on the dyno. And you know his rep. He isn't a schlep. (Hey that rhymes)

This is just for the start up and low rpm retard. I am not putting in MORE timing. We are already running at least 2 degrees less advance than what we tested fine on the dyno, but since power difference was less than 1% 30* is where it stays. Add to that E85 has much better anti-detonation characteristics than gas and we are in a pretty conservative safe zone, all things considered.

I already discussed with Mike that I was going to put some retard in down low with my programmable box and he agreed it was a good idea.

That being said, some smarter guys than me on Corner Carvers encouraged me to increase the timing from 0 to about 800 rpm and then have a constant retard surrounding my idle rpm (300 rpm on each side of it -- target idle is approx 1100) and then at 1400 rpm start pulling out the retard (advancing more) in a linear fashion up to 3000 rpm. Again, smarter guys than me! Here is where I am out now. They encouraged me to add a MAP sensor if I really start driving this on the street a lot but only time will tell how much that is.

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[GregWeld]

In drag racing with a timing lockout ----- we put a coil interrupter (Susie can probably explain the whole interruptus thing to you) so you could spin the motor --- no timing in --- lift off the switch and let it fire. That, of course, is just for a start sequence.


The motor in the Mustang has a normal timing curve and idles about 1200 but doesn't "like" anything but "punch it I know the road!".... so I have no clue about street driving your monster race car -- 'cause I just wouldn't do it. :>)

[GregWeld]

The reason I said your dyno operator should have worked with you on the timing is because THAT IS THE PLACE TO DO THOSE THINGS.... he is able to put a load on the motor -- run it at an rpm -- watch all the parameters of importance.... and dial it right in. Including fueling.

I know that the TOTAL timing was set at the dyno --- but the curve is every bit as important.

[Flash68]

In drag racing with a timing lockout ----- we put a coil interrupter (Susie can probably explain the whole interruptus thing to you) so you could spin the motor --- no timing in --- lift off the switch and let it fire. That, of course, is just for a start sequence.


The motor in the Mustang has a normal timing curve and idles about 1200 but doesn't "like" anything but "punch it I know the road!".... so I have no clue about street driving your monster race car -- 'cause I just wouldn't do it. :>)

The reason I said your dyno operator should have worked with you on the timing is because THAT IS THE PLACE TO DO THOSE THINGS.... he is able to put a load on the motor -- run it at an rpm -- watch all the parameters of importance.... and dial it right in. Including fueling.

I know that the TOTAL timing was set at the dyno --- but the curve is every bit as important.

That's now how Mike rolls with his dyno. He gets it running good and safe and then says tune it in the car. Many people tune on a dyno but not Mike. He says too many conditions (loads, etc) change from dyno to car so it's a wasted strain on the dyno.

This is just getting a base curve to start out.

Plenty of people (like you in your tracky car) just run a locked out full advance setup just fine. We ran it on my last motor and it was great for 2 years.

MSD probably had not invented the programmable 6AL-2 box back when you were dealing with your coilus interruptus. :action-smiley-027:

[GregWeld]

MSD probably had not invented the programmable 6AL-2 box back when you were dealing with your coilus interruptus. :action-smiley-027:




Are you kidding! MSD didn't even exist back then!!!



HAHAHAHAHA


We're talking 1970 here! My guess is --- YOU didn't even exist then!




EEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

[FETorino]

The Digital 6 has a 20 deg retard for starting so no worries about cranking. The Dinosaur method GW mentions if for motors back in the day of the FE.:lol:

I have to look at the MSD instructions so I don't know if the 20 is subtracted from the rpm at cranking or total timing. I say leave 20 in it below idle, or 10 out if you want to look at it that way. As people have told you this stabilizes idle by quickly building some torque if the motor falls below the desired rpm range bouncing it back into that range.

You have an efficient combustion chamber and high compression so flame travel across the piston shouldn't be an issue as evidenced by only needing 30 deg of total timing. I don't think you need a bunch of timing down low like some of us with archaic combustion chambers.


For your idle rpm start conservative at 20 out and leave the linear curve you have from there to 4000 for starters. I don't know enough about your SB2.2 but I would think you don't need to be all in as early as 3000 because of your compression and cyl head efficiency.

Once it runs in the car. You can add timing in at idle with the car running and get a feel for how much timing it likes at idle by listening to the motor. The idle quality will get better as you move timing up and then start to get choppy when you get to much timing because the cyl pressure peaking too early will be fighting the piston traveling up the bore. I would do this little exercise with the idle set a little on the low side since it will make the changes in idle more obvious.

Keep in mind this is all based on a proper AF ratio. You are running fat which requires a little more timing that if you were dead on. If you optimize your jetting you will have to go back and tweak the timing again. Your chassis dyno told you a peak all in timing #. Some old school ear tuning can get you pretty close on what the motor wants at idle. From there you can get pretty close on when to bring it in. JMHO


Your car is relatively light and your gearing and tire diameter are helping to minimize the load on the motor. That along with the preigniton resistance of E85 reduces a lot of concerns of hurting your motor with to much timing.

But as mentioned you don't need a bunch of timing to ensure peak pressure is reached early enough so I wouldn't get to aggressive with the timing without running it on a chassis dyno.

When the motor is running in the car you can dial in the carb and ignition on the chassis dyno and that will tell you how much timing you really need.

Where is Ron in Nor CA? He has a "developed" SB2.2:headscratch: He'll probably call BS on my advice.:underchair:

:cheers:


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[Flash68]

The Digital 6 has a 20 deg retard for starting so no worries about cranking.

Where is Ron in Nor CA? He has a "developed" SB2.2:headscratch: He'll probably call BS on my advice.:underchair:

:cheers:

The Digital 6 (6520) does have the start retard built in. The programmable 6AL-2 (6530) does not. You program it exactly how you want it. I have the 6AL-2 and I think you do too? :computer:

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14791

Ron in Norcal has a developed motor yes... but it's a 23 degree not SB2.2. His developed SB2.2 would probably make 100 more hp than mine. :sieg:

Not a bad photo there, Mr Forvette. :mock:

I'm just planning a little road trip.... and I thought I would stop by and say Hi. :innocent: :thumbsup:

So how'd that trip go? :stirthepot:

[FETorino]

Not a bad photo there, Mr Forvette. :mock:





I've seen better:mock:

:cheers:



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[Sieg]

I've seen better :mock:

:cheers:

I've seen better as well :mock:

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FPD8675/1/XL/i-FPD8675-XL.jpg

[Flash68]

I've seen better:mock:

:cheers:



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Now that's a Ford I would allow in my garage.

I've seen better as well :mock:

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FPD8675/1/XL/i-FPD8675-XL.jpg

But of course this one trumps that. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

When Brett and I stopped by to grab my engine on Friday, Mike @ Watson Racing just happened to be dynoing a 650 cubic inch Pro Stock motor. :eek:

The sound made the hairs stand up all over my body. The hairs did stand up when my motor was on the dyno, but that was for different reasons. :G-Dub: :lol:

1400+ hp
1000+ ft lbs

Enjoy.

Wy1sEAIbOBA

[FETorino]

The Digital 6 (6520) does have the start retard built in. The programmable 6AL-2 (6530) does not. You program it exactly how you want it. I have the 6AL-2 and I think you do too? :computer:

http://www.msdignition.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14791




Ok I have been playing with my new MSD 6AL-2 programmable box and trying to set up a fuel curve here. First time doing this and wondering what you guys think.



Yep you're right :waveflag: , got me there, there isn't a switched start retard like on the 6520. You can just take 30 deg out below 400 that will make starting easy. Fix that on your timing map will you.:bitchslap:

Now explain to me where in the instructions the MSD controls adjusts the carb jetting to control the fuel curve?:headscratch:

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

You can just take 30 deg out below 400 that will make starting easy. Fix that on your timing map will you.:bitchslap:

Now explain to me where in the instructions the MSD controls adjusts the carb jetting to control the fuel curve?:headscratch:

:cheers:



Egg Sack Lee



I too, noticed the "fuel curve" and just left it alone.... but I had started loading the ammo....

[Flash68]

Now explain to me where in the instructions the MSD controls adjusts the carb jetting to control the fuel curve?:headscratch:

:cheers:

You guys knew what I meant... :twak:

[fleetus macmullitz]

You guys knew what I meant... :twak:



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[tones2SS]

When Brett and I stopped by to grab my engine on Friday, Mike @ Watson Racing just happened to be dynoing a 650 cubic inch Pro Stock motor. :eek: The sound made the hairs stand up all over my body. The hairs did stand up when my motor was on the dyno, but that was for different reasons. :G-Dub: :lol:


HA HA!! Nice one Dave.:lol:

[Flash68]

Ok so I was guided to make one more change for the initial map and to add some timing at idle speed. Here is where I am at now. Will be fun to play with it on start up and see how it reacts to some small changes, if anything.

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[Sieg]

I hope your start up goes much better than mine! :sieg:

Congrats on 3000 post too. :thumbsup: