1968 Camaro "Badmotorfinger" v2.2

[Flash68]

I recommend this 'exchange' gets included in the BMF build book.


:hello:

Certainly you mean the How Not To Build Book..... it's part of the Ron Myers Hot Sauce book series. :twak:

:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

1. If you don't have something nice to say, well then.... you all know the rest

:D

Certainly you mean the How Not To Build Book..... it's part of the Ron Myers Hot Sauce book series. :twak:

:cheers:

I'm doing the opposite of my natural instinct...so #1 instead.

:lol:

[Vegas69]

Just as much can be learned from watching someone do it the wrong way. Over and over and over...:D

I'm almost starting to feel guilty but you are such an easy target. Hope you and the family are well...

[Flash68]

Just as much can be learned from watching someone do it the wrong way. Over and over and over...:D

I'm almost starting to feel guilty but you are such an easy target. Hope you and the family are well...

Yep. Learning from the mistakes of others and making my own mistakes for others to avoid. That about sums it up.

Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

Happy New Year.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

.

Yeah, publicly put pressure on the 'yute...

:shakehead:


lol

[intocarss]

Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

Happy New Year.

^^^FACT^^^

[Track Junky]

Yep. Learning from the mistakes of others and making my own mistakes for others to avoid. That about sums it up.

Don't feel guilty... my son will walk and talk, and my car will pass Gaetano triple in build costs in 2015. That's pretty exciting right there. :D

Happy New Year.

Fixed that for you Dave. :mock:

Don't forget to buy a transponder. :poke:

[Flash68]

Fixed that for you Dave. :mock:

Don't forget to buy a transponder. :poke:

Yeah I'll be lucky to be about triple.... :lol: But I may be okay since you started working with Sutton recently.... just ask Weld. :computer:

Speaking of Weld and parade laps.... sans transponder..... :popcorn2:

I'm driving up to Cortex this week to check out the progress.

[glassman]

Dave, whats the old sayin on here? "pics or it didn't happen?"...

[GregWeld]

Dave, whats the old sayin on here? "pics or it didn't happen?"...




As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

[carbuff]

As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

:ohsnap:

That's some funny snidzit right there...

[intocarss]

As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded... Now that's funny!

[SSLance]

As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...



:lmao:

[fleetus macmullitz]

As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

For some reason, this thread attracts GW internet huggs like nuttin else...


:popcorn2:

[tones2SS]

As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

Good thing I didn't have a sip of water in my mouth right before reading this. lol
Too funny.

[Spiffav8]

As long as this build is taking -- even digital pictures will most likely be faded...

That very well might be the funniest thing ever posted on LG to date.

Well done!

[Track Junky]

Yeah I'll be lucky to be about triple.... :lol: But I may be okay since you started working with Sutton recently.... just ask Weld. :computer:

Speaking of Weld and parade laps.... sans transponder..... :popcorn2:

I'm driving up to Cortex this week to check out the progress.

Wish I had the extra cake to play with Ron but unfortunately I'm going to have to settle with "good enough for now".

Greg will never get a transponder. He's worked to hard at boosting his ego. :lol:

[Vegas69]

Don't listen to these chumps. You'll be driving your protouring car through the Wendy's drive through soon enough. You may need your pit crew to rebuild it after such a strenuous exercise, but that's the price you have to pay to out run Gaetano.

[GregWeld]

CorteX is all over this build! With that in mind, I looked at the CorteX Racing site today hoping to find shop pics of a Camaro lurking in the background... but given that CorteX is a Mustang specialist shop... they've no doubt taken great pains to hide the CamoFord build.

Re: Gaetano/Weld lap times....

We do have a great time bantering back and forth in these threads and on the text train. But I'll repeat what I've said many times. It's one thing to run spec cars and see who's the best driver... but it's a ridiculous exercise to try to compare different cars. I say this for those that haven't tracked or AutoX their own cars... and then if they do... try to begin this comparison. It's impossible. That's why they have CLASSES in racing - so the cars are basically built to rules and specs to keep them as even as possible. We don't do any of that. Ours are all very very different. If you want to know what your car is CAPABLE OF - get one of the best drivers on here (Pozzi/Hobaugh/Maier/Finch et al) to run it for you. Then that's the time to beat in YOUR car.

A buddy of mine just added a Lotus 2 11 to his garage. He's a Porsche instructor and has tracked for years. He is copying my set up - which is copied from the Lotus Cup Unlimited Champions set up. I guarantee he will be many SECONDS faster than me. He's a far more capable driver. That's MY time to work to in that car.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Don't listen to these chumps. You'll be driving your protouring car through the Wendy's drive through soon enough. You may need your pit crew to rebuild it after such a strenuous exercise, but that's the price you have to pay to out run Gaetano.

Your posts remind me of the 12 pillars of Jim Rome.

lol


hjgpo3_SF7M

[Flash68]

Rear suspension UPGRADE well on its way. This is what will be the first GM version of the Cortex Torque Arm and Watts link. Oh, and it's made for a 108 inch wheelbase for those keeping track.

Old JRS torque arm = 30 lbs

New Cortex torque arm = 18 lbs

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0092_zps5867eece.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0092_zps5867eece.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0093_zpsd6f719f6.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0093_zpsd6f719f6.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0096_zps6d0436fd.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0096_zps6d0436fd.jpg.html)


Once they finish up the watts link and fuel cell cage adjustments, they'll move on to LCA modification and header/exhaust fab.

Regular updates should be more the norm now as I will be going by there every 2-3 weeks. One of those perks of working with a local shop. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

What a year a difference makes..... HAHAHAHAHAHA


Betsy home - new baby son Garrett - a car that might be finished.... HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

[intocarss]

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[Flash68]

Yeah, it's a great start to 2015. :thumbsup:

I LOL'd there Jer.. Nice. :D

[tones2SS]

Nice to see the updates Dave.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Yeah, it's a great start to 2015. :thumbsup:




...Life brimming brightly with optimism and verve...

#namethatepisode

[DBasher]

Woohoo updates! :thumbsup:
Do you have any shots of the front mount and crossmember? And because I don't spend anytime under a camaro, are the other two links located in the stock spring location?

Filip is a hell of a nice guy and can drive ok too...won't be much longer now!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I hope you are keeping that trick double D exhaust.

looks good.

[Ron in SoCal]

Dave what are they doing to the LCAs?

Great to see some progress on this Beast :cheers:

[Track Junky]

Right on Dave. Great to see this project moving forward again. I'm counting on you to wrap this up soon.
Then I envision you sucking me into multiple track days and my wife making me move into my car trailer. :lol:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Right on Dave. Great to see this project moving forward again. I'm counting on you to wrap this up soon.
Then I envision you sucking me into multiple track days and my wife making me move into my car trailer. :lol:

if your lucky....you get the dog house and the dog gets a nice warm bed.

better put Dish and a big screen back there.

[carbuff]

Dave,

Any thoughts on whether you will be able to adjust the pinion angle with this setup? With my original JRS setup, the 'old' style that used 2 rods to triangulate the housing to the TA, I could. When we added Jake's plate which bolts to the pinion support and then to the TA, you lose that ability unless you egg out some holes.

From what I can see in this picture, it looks all welded in that area, so is there any adjustment I can't see?

Looks like it's going to be a nice setup! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I would assume they set up the angles and fabricate around it. It "shouldn't" need adjustment. Unless the vibration at freeway speeds on the Griswold family road trip bothers the little one. :D

[Flash68]

Woohoo updates! :thumbsup:
Do you have any shots of the front mount and crossmember? And because I don't spend anytime under a camaro, are the other two links located in the stock spring location?

Filip is a hell of a nice guy and can drive ok too...won't be much longer now!

I realized when I got home I didn't take pics of that. Dangit. The Cortex TA is 4-5 inches shorter than the JRS piece so the mount and Xmember were indeed modified from before.

I haven't really paid attn to the lower links in ages and I can't even tell you if they are in the stock spring location... you might know more about Camaros than me actually. :lol:

And yes Filip is a great guy and I really enjoy talking and working with him. And yes he can flat out drive. :thumbsup:

I hope you are keeping that trick double D exhaust.

looks good.

We hope and plan to. I brought up the remaining pieces today and the guys there really liked the setup.

Dave what are they doing to the LCAs?

Great to see some progress on this Beast :cheers:

We decided to "straighten" the rear arm of the LCA to gain 2-3 inches of header clearance since it doesn't change any of the structural integrity of anything. We agreed it was likely easier to cut that than to make the NASCAR headers go around that unnecessarily "bulky" area. Plus I told them I'd rather cut up a JRS part than a NASCAR part if it had to be one or the other. :sieg:

I should have pics of that next I go up.

Right on Dave. Great to see this project moving forward again. I'm counting on you to wrap this up soon.
Then I envision you sucking me into multiple track days and my wife making me move into my car trailer. :lol:

Wrap it up soon? :lol: Good one.

The multiple track days is a no brainer... but I cannot be held responsible for you and Brian living together in a trailer in Simi Valley.

Dave,

Any thoughts on whether you will be able to adjust the pinion angle with this setup? With my original JRS setup, the 'old' style that used 2 rods to triangulate the housing to the TA, I could. When we added Jake's plate which bolts to the pinion support and then to the TA, you lose that ability unless you egg out some holes.

From what I can see in this picture, it looks all welded in that area, so is there any adjustment I can't see?

Looks like it's going to be a nice setup! :thumbsup:

I would assume they set up the angles and fabricate around it. It "shouldn't" need adjustment. Unless the vibration at freeway speeds on the Griswold family road trip bothers the little one. :D

No adjustment is correct. They set it and forget it. The whole shoot n' match is pretty close to what Filip runs on his '66 as that has the same 108" wheelbase.

So Bryan, when you swapping out that JRS TA? :popcorn2:


Thanks fellas... I think I am on a good course. :cheers:

[carbuff]

So Bryan, when you swapping out that JRS TA? :popcorn2:

:) If I were going to swap it all out, I would go all the way to a 3-link instead of another TA. Too many challenges between exhaust routing and sway bar mounting and setting driveshaft angles. Of course I liked keeping the back seat on TOW.

Given the race car status of BMF :poke: , I'm a little surprised you didn't jump all the way up to a 3-link instead of the TA. Since you are making the change, any thoughts on that choice?

[GregWeld]

:) If I were going to swap it all out, I would go all the way to a 3-link instead of another TA. Too many challenges between exhaust routing and sway bar mounting and setting driveshaft angles. Of course I liked keeping the back seat on TOW.

Given the race car status of BMF :poke: , I'm a little surprised you didn't jump all the way up to a 3-link instead of the TA. Since you are making the change, any thoughts on that choice?



He wanted to insure that both Gaetano and I can pass his ass despite having a NASCAR winning motor.

[fleetus macmullitz]

He wanted to insure that both Gaetano and I can pass his ass despite having a NASCAR winning motor.

:lol:

[Chad-1stGen]

I got excited reading about actual car progress!! Good stuff Dave!

I can't wait to hit up a track day with you and have you beat me soundly again :)

[Flash68]

:) If I were going to swap it all out, I would go all the way to a 3-link instead of another TA. Too many challenges between exhaust routing and sway bar mounting and setting driveshaft angles. Of course I liked keeping the back seat on TOW.

Given the race car status of BMF :poke: , I'm a little surprised you didn't jump all the way up to a 3-link instead of the TA. Since you are making the change, any thoughts on that choice?

I am not sure if I would completely agree with your implication that a 3 link is going "all the way"... it's debatable I guess, just like about everything else on this site. :)

I have a lot going on in the back seat area right now anyway, so it could be a challenge if I were to "go all the way" but I haven't looked into it to be honest. I bought into the torque arm idea 3 years ago based on its simplicity and Jake doing well with it in AIX.

Cortex has been very successful with their torque arm (and other parts) so when I decided to go with them it was part buying into Cortex/Filip and part the mechanism itself. Filip is a real engineer by trade as well.

Contrary to popular belief I am not building a GT-1 car (do they have lic plates? :peepwall:) and I don't plan on being the guy tuning and adjusting a million things between every session. Not interested in that.

Here is Sutton's brief explanation and I maintain it should suit me well. Of course... are these cars ever done? :)



Torque Arm suspensions are also common as a factory style rear suspension in some cars. They are the simplest of the designs, allow a high degree of rear end articulation & can take high shock loads from hard launches. They can be made "a little" adjustable, but typically offer less adjustability than the other designs, as far as controlling the front Instant Center, rise leverage & anti-squat. If designed well & installed as instructed, these make a great all around suspension for the person that doesn't want to tune much.

3-links are very common in road racing, especially in full body cars like GT1 & the Trans Am series, because they allow for the most articulation & can be highly adjustable & tunable for track conditions. You also see them a lot on top AutoX racers.

[Flash68]

I got excited reading about actual car progress!! Good stuff Dave!

I can't wait to hit up a track day with you and have you beat me soundly again :)

You and me both! I really wanna go back to Willow Springs sometime.

[intocarss]

You and me both! I really wanna go back to Willow Springs sometime.

I may come up and follow you guys around :goggles:

[Flash68]

I may come up and follow you guys around :goggles:

Follow? You might be the pace TRUCK. :goggles:

[rustomatic]

Progress is good! Griggs Racing has done quite well with that setup...

I'll hope to see this car on the track this year, when I momentarily crawl out from under my rock...

[Flash68]

Progress is good! Griggs Racing has done quite well with that setup...

I'll hope to see this car on the track this year, when I momentarily crawl out from under my rock...

I should hope it will see a track this year... so far so good with Cortex!

[intocarss]

I should hope it will see a track this year... so far so good with Cortex!

That's great news

[Ron in SoCal]

Quit holding out ... :idea:

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Not going to shake that loose anytime soon

[96z28ss]

I should hope it will see a track this year...

Wait, did they add a 68 Camaro to iracing?

I figure that would be the only way it would see a track this year.

Greg liked iracing so much he went and got himself a Miata.

[Flash68]

Quit holding out ... :idea:

Hey now. Not everyone has a contractual obligation to make weekly post updates. :stirthepot: :D

Not going to shake that loose anytime soon

I think it should stay connected in there. :lol:

Wait, did they add a 68 Camaro to iracing?

I figure that would be the only way it would see a track this year.

Greg liked iracing so much he went and got himself a Miata.

Ouch Bob. That cuts. That cuts deep. :tv_happy:

Don't get me started on that Miata deal.... :lostmarbles:

[Flash68]

Cortex is working on a few things right now but nothing was really picture worthy. Rear end is getting provisions for the diff cooler I picked up at Roush and it is being sent out for powdercoating.

Headers are cut and waiting for LCA's to be installed so some tubing cab be bought to bridge the gap of 2-3" that each primary needs. Probably will get those pieces from SPD in Sac.

Crick (fab guy) has started making the remaining transitions needed for the 5" x 2" flat bottom exhaust to connect to the 3.5" collectors at front and the 90*'s at the rear.

They have modified my LCA's for about 3" of back side clearance for the headers which they will be fitting next.

Before:

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http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/FA9C9FBB-998B-4513-83E8-81337276B69A-4039-000006A023FDCB62.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/FA9C9FBB-998B-4513-83E8-81337276B69A-4039-000006A023FDCB62.jpg.html)

After:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/E9502AE7-C85C-401D-844A-6C1D7E1FE440_zpswiazfssk.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/E9502AE7-C85C-401D-844A-6C1D7E1FE440_zpswiazfssk.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Six or seven YEARS and untold 1000's of dollars and that's all you got??

[Rod P]

Six or seven YEARS and untold 1000's of dollars and that all you got??


:lmao: :lolhit:

[Flash68]

Six or seven YEARS and untold 1000's of dollars and that all you got??

For some it takes longer than most to get it all together..... take that Ron in Socal guy or instance... :action-smiley-027:


And yes that is a very expensive and exotic control arm. :idea:

:BlahBlah:

[Sieg]

For some it takes longer than most to get it all together..... take that Ron in Socal guy or instance... :action-smiley-027:


And yes that is a very expensive and exotic control arm. :idea:

:BlahBlah:

You proved that fact with your first child.......cars should be different.

Strike while you still can!

:)

[GregWeld]

For some it takes longer than most to get it all together..... take that Ron in Socal guy or instance...:BlahBlah:




His crap is measured in DECADES and 100,000's of thousands.... and
he still won't have a custom UCA.... LOL

[Ron in SoCal]

His crap is measured in DECADES and 100,000's of thousands.... and
he still won't have a custom UCA.... LOL

Is that a good thing or bad thing? :lostmarbles:

Both I think :lol:

[Flash68]

Is that a good thing or bad thing? :lostmarbles:

Both I think :lol:

:D :cheers:

[Flash68]

Cortex using some 321 stainless from SPD to lengthen the primaries.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/2015-02-25%2018.06.47_zpsnuq6olcq.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/2015-02-25%2018.06.47_zpsnuq6olcq.jpg.html)

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[Track Junky]

Looking great Dave!! :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Six or seven YEARS and untold 1000's of dollars and that's all you got??

Heard a rumor that lil FlashJr got very animated when he heard BMF is scheduled to finished by his 16th birthday. :relax:

Nice that some very noteworthy people also adhere to the relaxed pace philosophy... of course sometimes there's pushback.

[GregWeld]

That's it! I'm going straight to CorteX this week to see if this thing is moving along or not. I'm certain that within an hour of showing up - the car will be sitting outside the shop and I'll have been thrown out with it. And with this build - that would be considered "progress".

[Flash68]

Heard a rumor that lil FlashJr got very animated when he heard BMF is scheduled to finished by his 16th birthday. :relax:

Nice that some very noteworthy people also adhere to the relaxed pace philosophy... of course sometimes there's pushback.

He might have to take this project over well before his 16th to finish it. :D

That's it! I'm going straight to CorteX this week to see if this thing is moving along or not. I'm certain that within an hour of showing up - the car will be sitting outside the shop and I'll have been thrown out with it. And with this build - that would be considered "progress".

Don't you have more important stuff to do? Like make sure the soup has the right amount of Sieg in it. :popcorn2:

Oh and I like you remembered to capitalize the X in CorteX.... good on you. :lol:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

That's it! I'm going straight to CorteX this week to see if this thing is moving along or not. I'm certain that within an hour of showing up - the car will be sitting outside the shop and I'll have been thrown out with it. And with this build - that would be considered "progress".

where the hell were you 6 months/years ago?? yeah, I know. I couldn't remember either.

[Rod P]

That's it! I'm going straight to CorteX this week to see if this thing is moving along or not. I'm certain that within an hour of showing up - the car will be sitting outside the shop and I'll have been thrown out with it. And with this build - that would be considered "progress".

ha ha ba ba ha ha !! lets go Greg

[Flash68]

You guys aren't helping. But I guess you're not hurting either. :lol:

[intocarss]

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[89 RS]

Keep the faith Dave! :lol:

[califconstruct]

Just in case your thinking of changing directions on the build again!! :lmao:


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4952320228.html


Just add blue paint!!



.

.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Fixed it...

[Sieg]

Just in case your thinking of changing directions on the build again!! :lmao:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4952320228.html

Just add blue paint!!



700 hp doesn't even get an eyebrow lift from Super Dave.

Blue paint.........and skinny white Ford stripes.

:D

[Payton King]

I forgot this build thread still existed. From reviewing most of the pages, I thought is was a semi-chat room.

Love ya, mean it

[Flash68]

Just in case your thinking of changing directions on the build again!! :lmao:


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4952320228.html


Just add blue paint!!



.

.

That's Pat's car. I'd like to go check that out one of these days.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=49230


700 hp doesn't even get an eyebrow lift from Super Dave.

Blue paint.........and skinny white Ford stripes.

:D

You got me pegged Stieg. :thumbsup:

I forgot this build thread still existed. From reviewing most of the pages, I thought is was a semi-chat room.

Love ya, mean it

Bros before.... ? :lol:

[Ron Sutton]

I forgot this build thread still existed. From reviewing most of the pages, I thought is was a semi-chat room.

Love ya, mean it

:lmao: :stirthepot: :lmao: :poke: :warning: :excited:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Tuff to get a car built balancing a career, family and ...

[fleetus macmullitz]

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I forgot this build thread still existed. From reviewing most of the pages, I thought is was a semi-chat room.



ICYMI dept: Just substitute the word 'thread' when GC says 'life', and use 'post' when he says 'day'.


:whenitsdone:

[Flash68]

My old Porsche is for sale again in and a prospective buyer PM'ed me asking some questions. I looked at the for sale ad and check out what is playing on the radio. That's gotta mean good things are in my future. Yeah, that's it.

:rockin: :rockin: :rockin:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/interieur_zps70a96edb.jpg.png

[GrabberGT]

My old Porsche is for sale again in and a prospective buyer PM'ed me asking some questions. I looked at the for sale ad and check out what is playing on the radio. That's gotta mean good things are in my future. Yeah, that's it.

:rockin: :rockin: :rockin:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/interieur_zps70a96edb.jpg.png


Wow! An unsolicited post from you on your own thread and THIS is all we get? :buttkick:

[intocarss]

Wow! An unsolicited post from you on your own thread and THIS is all we get? :buttkick: At least it wasn't about a new mini van

[Vince@Meanstreets]

At least it wasn't about a new mini van

yet!

[Flash68]

Wow! An unsolicited post from you on your own thread and THIS is all we get? :buttkick:

Well like Payton the more we look at some things we scratch our heads or try to decide to abandon ship and start over or finish what is started. Currently it is the alien (like that Vince?) exhaust system. What a zoo.....

Hopefully we will be on track soon and on to more predictable things like buttoning up sheetmetal and finishing some mechanical and plumbing.

At least it wasn't about a new mini van

yet!

Ha. Not happenin. Wife has SUV and I have back up kid hauler with my new (to me) Crewcab Duramax.

[LS7 Z/28]

I was listening to "Outshined" the other day and the first thing that came to my mind was your car. The second thing was how I always used to play this game called Road Rash on Sony PlayStation back in the day and the soundtrack had Outshined and Rusty Cage on it. Those were the days. :beavis:

[WSSix]

I'm ok with that being a sign of good things to come.

[Vegas69]

So, you are saying that you used to have a car than ran? WOW

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'm ok with that being a sign of good things to come.

Better than the alternative view...lol

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[Flash68]

I was listening to "Outshined" the other day and the first thing that came to my mind was your car. The second thing was how I always used to play this game called Road Rash on Sony PlayStation back in the day and the soundtrack had Outshined and Rusty Cage on it. Those were the days. :beavis:

Love it. :cheers:

I'm ok with that being a sign of good things to come.

Trying to get back to that point where you make up the ground you lost. The ole 1 step forward 2 steps back deal. :D

So, you are saying that you used to have a car than ran? WOW

I don't see where I said that. :buttkick:

But that also doesn't mean it isn't true!

Aw heck the car was gonna get blown up at some point....

Better than the alternative view...lol

9Nb_mH4Q4mw

I thought that was gonna be a twilight zone vid. Which might have also been appropriate. lol

[fleetus macmullitz]

Stay strong DG. :D

Don't want Lil Flash to see pain in your eyes...

F3RYvO2X0Oo


....when 'BMF' is spoken of in his presence.



lol

[Roberts68]

... the more we look at some things we scratch our heads or try to decide to abandon ship and start over or finish what is started. Currently it is the alien (like that Vince?) exhaust system. What a zoo......

^^^ This... The whole mockup/concept was a little hard for me to embrace but your whole car is extreme from my perspective in the peanut gallery. It would be a real challenge to pursue not having some concept of the sound to expect. I am sure you have considered plenty, but what recourse will you have if it is too loud for some of the tracks out there once completed, other than not go to those facilities.

[Flash68]

^^^ This... The whole mockup/concept was a little hard for me to embrace but your whole car is extreme from my perspective in the peanut gallery. It would be a real challenge to pursue not having some concept of the sound to expect. I am sure you have considered plenty, but what recourse will you have if it is too loud for some of the tracks out there once completed, other than not go to those facilities.

The sound situation has been part of the planning from the beginning. Fist, the drivers side exit due to the location of most if not all of the local tracks' sound meters (as opposed to most race cars where the rocker exits on the passenger side only).

And the custom removable box muffler made by Rob @ No Limit (which surely appears to be a very well made cool piece at a very fair price) was great in theory. I think it would have worked had Fab5.3 not sized it to fit in the majority of the space allowed. There was just not enough area around the big box (less than an inch everywhere I could see) for airflow and any cooling assistance we thought. So CorteX and I agreed on scrapping that piece unfortunately.

So I ordered up 2 more smaller mufflers the other day to hopefully go in tandem with my other 2 small bullet mufflers and we'll start there. If we have to add a larger case or do something about that later, it won't be the largest project ever and access is relatively easy where this is happening.

Collector transitions are finished

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/5F788948-2BD1-4CFD-8D03-E9BB755F514E_zpsbyhdyn5a.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/5F788948-2BD1-4CFD-8D03-E9BB755F514E_zpsbyhdyn5a.jpg.html)

And I did take delivery of some cool parts lately which always feels kinda good.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/43E15B81-D596-4904-81A4-C845D1D95CA6_zpsqp6hd1to.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/43E15B81-D596-4904-81A4-C845D1D95CA6_zpsqp6hd1to.jpg.html)

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[Roberts68]

Wow. I feel a bit honored to have elicited a response that resembles an actual progress update with multiple photographs.... That's pretty monumental stuff in a thread such as BMF.:stirthepot:

NOW, in the other spirit of the thread... That's a nice measure of commitment DG, being that tires are date coded. :poke: :lol:

That has to be one of the most wicked reinforced looking clutch plates I have ever seen. What's the story there? Definitely not standard issue right?

[DBasher]

I've been rereading some of this build(?) trying to figure out what's really going on...
It looks like CorteX has the suspension just about wrapped up and some other fab is happening with exhaust and what not.
Motor/drivetrain ready?
Body looks ready other than flares and exhaust trim.
Seats in
Babies born and at least crawling around, congratulations by the way. Kids are an eye opener!
Tires, clutch.....I've read a couple times that you've said it'll be done when it's done but it's gotta be getting close!

:cheers:

[Flash68]

Wow. I feel a bit honored to have elicited a response that resembles an actual progress update with multiple photographs.... That's pretty monumental stuff in a thread such as BMF.:stirthepot:

NOW, in the other spirit of the thread... That's a nice measure of commitment DG, being that tires are date coded. :poke: :lol:

That has to be one of the most wicked reinforced looking clutch plates I have ever seen. What's the story there? Definitely not standard issue right?

LOL... tires are dated Feb 2015... so yeah I could be in trouble there huh. :lol:

But seriously, with BFG only making about a few sets it seems before of Rivals, I got on a waiting list awhile ago and decided to get them now while I can. Who knows if I'd be able to in the future.

Clutch discs are from Quartermaster.... dual disc.... some kind of "rally" hybrid material.... SUPPOSED to fit my Tilton setup.... that's all I got. We'll all find out at some point.

:cheers:

I've been rereading some of this build(?) trying to figure out what's really going on...
It looks like CorteX has the suspension just about wrapped up and some other fab is happening with exhaust and what not.
Motor/drivetrain ready?
Body looks ready other than flares and exhaust trim.
Seats in
Babies born and at least crawling around, congratulations by the way. Kids are an eye opener!
Tires, clutch.....I've read a couple times that you've said it'll be done when it's done but it's gotta be getting close!

:cheers:

YOU're trying to figure out what's going on?? :lol:

Suspension is done.
Exhaust has been a pain (for them and me) but is nearing completion. I'll grab it soon and take it to get it coated since I am close by.
Motor/drivetrain have been ready for more than a year. Motor was completed and dyno'd in late 2013. That sucker is ready to sing.
Flares will happen later, maybe this coming winter or next year.
Seats/pedals will be mounted here soon as well as tie in to the diagonal and harness bar CorteX will add.
Son is nearing 6 months old and is the best distraction anyone could ask for. Thanks :cheers:

And yes, done when it's done is the name of the game. :sieg:

[Flash68]

I am pretty bummed that I won't get to see what this would've sounded like.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/03339870-55c2-4466-b3d5-8b61d17243bc_zps20addb87.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/03339870-55c2-4466-b3d5-8b61d17243bc_zps20addb87.jpg.html)

[Payton King]

I thought that was a smoker. Throw a couple racks of ribs in while making laps, eat them between runs. LOL

Just add it to the wall of shame...mine is getting full.

[Flash68]

I thought that was a smoker. Throw a couple racks of ribs in while making laps, eat them between runs. LOL

Just add it to the wall of shame...mine is getting full.

LOL.. the smoker idea is a good one. Dangit now I'm hungry. :sieg:

[Matt@BOS]

Did Crick build those transitions from the headers? Those look time consuming.

[Flash68]

Did Crick build those transitions from the headers? Those look time consuming.

Yep. And YA THINK?! Crick is a pretty talented fabricator.

No easy way to transition from a super upside down sideways cross hex Double D into a circle.... and that's just the rear.

The front "collector" replaces the regular NASCAR merge collector and transitions 2 2-1/4" pipes into a parallelogram (or is it rhombus? :sieg:) thingy then into the Double D... Um, yeah.

If I had better pics I'd show them but I don't right now.

[57hemicuda]

You need to send that part east, that bulletproof muffler belongs on my new military truck.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Children/laur/dawns-pics/i-r3jpKnZ/0/L/20150130_161721-L.jpg

[skatinjay27]

400+ pages!! And the car is still in pieces...Lol.

the only reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that I've been gone so long I missed out on the fact that you already finished the car...

Then tracked it for a season but decided to tear it down because it just wasent the Mustang you envisioned when you first started building the car.

that's the case right?! :P :P :P

[Sieg]

Then tracked it for a season but decided to tear it down because it just wasn't the Mustang you envisioned when you first started building the car.

that's the case right?! :P :P :P

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8Ds7rVn/0/XL/i-8Ds7rVn-XL.jpg

[Vegas69]

400+ pages!! And the car is still in pieces...Lol.

the only reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that I've been gone so long I missed out on the fact that you already finished the car...

Then tracked it for a season but decided to tear it down because it just wasent the Mustang you envisioned when you first started building the car.

that's the case right?! :P :P :P

Come back in another 5-10 years. ha

[intocarss]

She be rolling rt along now :RunninDog: And why were you going to install a BBQ in your car:lostmarbles:

[Flash68]

You need to send that part east, that bulletproof muffler belongs on my new military truck.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Children/laur/dawns-pics/i-r3jpKnZ/0/L/20150130_161721-L.jpg

Done!

400+ pages!! And the car is still in pieces...Lol.

the only reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that I've been gone so long I missed out on the fact that you already finished the car...

Then tracked it for a season but decided to tear it down because it just wasent the Mustang you envisioned when you first started building the car.

that's the case right?! :P :P :P

AJ you dirty dog... what's been happenin? Todd sells his car (soul) so you go into hibernation? That's aint right man.... :lol:

I think your story is partially correct. Just not sure which part. :sieg:

:cheers:

Come back in another 5-10 years. ha

I thought you changed for the positive? Relapse? :bitchslap: :lol:

She be rolling rt along now :RunninDog: And why were you going to install a BBQ in your car:lostmarbles:

Right on Jer... and good question.... :lol:

[Vegas69]

I am, that's my optimistic timeline. :lol:

[Flash68]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/B044CE34-3B37-4EFA-BFB1-3035F306D2D0_zpspz7flsif.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/B044CE34-3B37-4EFA-BFB1-3035F306D2D0_zpspz7flsif.jpg.html)

[Greg from Aus]

That is some sweet work right there Dave.

[fleetus macmullitz]

That is some sweet work right there Dave.

X2. :thumbsup:

Nice you could use a Cali company...

[57hemicuda]

You better put that cool suit on your Christmas list. Because your chestnuts are going to be roasting on an open fire.LOL

Fab looks great, you gotta be happy with that.

[Sieg]

You better put that cool suit on your Christmas list. Because your chestnuts are going to be roasting on an open fire.LOL

Fab looks great, you gotta be happy with that.

X's 2!

Heat shielding for that fire bottle.........reminds me of a potential bomb in that pic. :D Seriously, is their performance affected by temperature extremes?

[gerno]

Lots going on there in a small space. Fab looks really clean, tell them to hurry up and get the rest complete.

[Flash68]

You better put that cool suit on your Christmas list. Because your chestnuts are going to be roasting on an open fire.LOL

Fab looks great, you gotta be happy with that.

You tryin to say I won't be driving til after Christmas?! :catfight: :lol:

It will surely be interesting... but coating, wrap, and shielding is already planned to try to deal with this. Time will tell. Hopefully not Todd's timeline of course.

And yeah they do nice work up there and are good at problem solving, which I was happy to oblige them with.

X's 2!

Heat shielding for that fire bottle.........reminds me of a potential bomb in that pic. :D Seriously, is their performance affected by temperature extremes?

We discussed relocating the fire bottle to the trunk. Not a big deal or much rework to do that.

And the nearby heat potential and its effect is a good question. I do not know how sensitive that is. Must research. Or just relocate.

Lots going on there in a small space. Fab looks really clean, tell them to hurry up and get the rest complete.

Ha. As long as there's room for me to sit in there somewhere.

[glassman]

Nice to see the progress pics, like this is really happening (or are you just copying someone elses pics just to tease us?)....Nice to see the avatar change as well (a little oil on the brain never hurt no one)....oh and btw, the tires you bought do have spoil date, so either a) there someone elses tires and that is a fake pic cause your the only one on this planet with Rival's lol OR b), this is really happening....

[Flash68]

Nice to see the progress pics, like this is really happening (or are you just copying someone elses pics just to tease us?)....Nice to see the avatar change as well (a little oil on the brain never hurt no one)....oh and btw, the tires you bought do have spoil date, so either a) there someone elses tires and that is a fake pic cause your the only one on this planet with Rival's lol OR b), this is really happening....

Something is surely happening. Some pics are mine. Some are from the fabricator.

The avatar change was to remind me that I had a running car once. :sieg:

Waiting for/watching my car get worked on gives me some time to do things like get on the right waiting list for tires... :)

[Matt@BOS]

Something is surely happening. Some pics are mine. Some are from the fabricator.

The avatar change was to remind me that I had a running car once. :sieg:

Waiting for/watching my car get worked on gives me some time to do things like get on the right waiting list for tires... :)

You are on a wait list for the upcoming Falken tires???

[Track Junky]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/B044CE34-3B37-4EFA-BFB1-3035F306D2D0_zpspz7flsif.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/B044CE34-3B37-4EFA-BFB1-3035F306D2D0_zpspz7flsif.jpg.html)

Street car theme coming to fruition. Nice seat warmer Dave. :lol:

[Flash68]

You are on a wait list for the upcoming Falken tires???

Yes, those too. I should have said ListS. I assume I am behind you and JCG on that waiting list?



Street car theme coming to fruition. Nice seat warmer Dave. :lol:

Pump gas. Check
Street tires. Check.
Heated seats. Check.

Shall I continue? :stirthepot:

[rustomatic]

Most. Complicated, yet stylish. Exhaust. Ever. (except for an odd CP car or two)

I'll look forward to having earplugs to witness this thing demonstrating kinetic abilities in the future!

[intocarss]

IIRC... ALL THIS STARTED CUZ OF A BLOWN HEAD GASKET :confused59: :military:

[Sieg]

IIRC... ALL THIS STARTED CUZ OF A BLOWN HEAD GASKET :confused59: :military:
It's all Todd's fault.

:secret:

[Matt@BOS]

I was going to tell you that your exhaust is on the wrong side for running at Laguna Seca, but I doubt it would make enough of a difference anyway. :lol:

[Flash68]

Most. Complicated, yet stylish. Exhaust. Ever. (except for an odd CP car or two)

I'll look forward to having earplugs to witness this thing demonstrating kinetic abilities in the future!

Thanks. I think. Things in this area definitely got out of hand quickly... but I am dang excited to see and hear it finished.

Earplugs are recommended for driver, but not passenger.

IIRC... ALL THIS STARTED CUZ OF A BLOWN HEAD GASKET :confused59: :military:

Kinda sorta. And the discounted local JRS frame and torq arm....

It's all Todd's fault.

:secret:

He definitely had a hand in it.

I was going to tell you that your exhaust is on the wrong side for running at Laguna Seca, but I doubt it would make enough of a difference anyway. :lol:

You have that backwards my friend. I am on it, even though Laguna Seca is not a track I plan to run as often as Thunderhill or Sonoma for a few reasons.

All sound meters at Norcal tracks are on the passenger sides (typically), hence the driver side exit. Don't give me a lot of credit, but give me just a little please. :lol:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/sharkwerks_track_tips.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/sharkwerks_track_tips.jpg.html)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/728690d1368723065-laguna-at-105db-w.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/728690d1368723065-laguna-at-105db-w.jpg.html)

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[GregWeld]

Just absolutely amazing what a REAL FAB SHOP can accomplish for less money - in less time - and done right.... without a bunch of BS.

[glassman]

Yes, those too. I should have said ListS. I assume I am behind you and JCG on that waiting list?





Pump gas. Check
Street tires. Check.
Heated seats. Check.

Shall I continue? :stirthepot:

Which sound system you doing? the Alpine or SB2? they both sound great but only one of them plays Def Lepperd, one will make you def..

[fleetus macmullitz]

Almost a very cool Camaro...almost.

lol

[WSSix]

lol, I love what people do to get around sound checks at tracks. Reminds me of SLP doing the two out the left exhaust on the 4th gen cars for the same reason.

[Sieg]

Just absolutely amazing what a REAL FAB SHOP can accomplish for less money - in less time - and done right.... without a bunch of BS.

You're talking about the exhaust tips right?


:underchair:

[fleetus macmullitz]

This thread offers a lot of peace and quiet...

:relax:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

You're talking about the exhaust tips right?


:underchair:

haaaa haaaaaa

Skip, I had no idea you were Darksican??

[GregWeld]

Mods --- Can you please relabel a couple threads to give better clarity??




Change Dead Pool to:


Dead Pool Sr.


Change Badmotorfinger to:


Dead Pool Jr.


Change Thrift Shop Camaro to:


Dead Pool Sr and Jr knock up their First Cousin, keeping it "real" in the family

[fleetus macmullitz]

Skip, I had no idea you were Darksican??

:lol:


All whitebread here Badd Vince...(just assuming Good Vince lives on the East Coast).

lol

Mods --- Can you please relabel a couple threads to give better clarity??

Change Dead Pool to:


Dead Pool Sr.


Change Badmotorfinger to:


Dead Pool Jr.


Change Thrift Shop Camaro to:


Dead Pool Sr and Jr knock up their First Cousin, keeping it "real" in the family

Doubt you'll get any help on that. What self-respecting mod looks at this thread?

:popcorn2:

[Chad-1stGen]

Dave,

Did you by chance mock up a seat before they fabed that exhaust? I'm surprised by how far forward it is. I don't remember you being 5' tall...

[Flash68]

Dave,

Did you by chance mock up a seat before they fabed that exhaust? I'm surprised by how far forward it is. I don't remember you being 5' tall...

Yes it's a tight fit all around but the Butler seat does fit where the current cage is set and with pedals. And as you remember I am a bit more than 5 foot but The kid I bought the car from was shorter than Weld. (Not kidding). And the cage was built by a shop for him so it's not as far as back as I'd like, but it should do. Can't cut out everything in this car ... oh wait, nevermind.... :sieg:

I am thinking about a seat mount setup that can swap the Butler seat and a softer street seat fairly easily.

[intocarss]

I am thinking about a seat mount setup that can swap the Butler seat and a softer street seat fairly easily. Wait what! Don't be a candy ass :bitchslap: OH and if this thread is going to the top THERE BETTER BE UPDATES :guns:

[Vegas69]

I'm slapping you through the computer right now. Stayed focused Danielson.

[Flash68]

Wait what! Don't be a candy ass :bitchslap: OH and if this thread is going to the top THERE BETTER BE UPDATES :guns:

I am actually heading up there tomorrow. I may even bring Rob's special camera. :flashie:

I'm slapping you through the computer right now. Stayed focused Danielson.

Oh you shush. :lol:

The only possible changes at this point would be in the name of safety. There really aren't that many decisions for me left to make. The parts are pretty much all there.

[Flash68]

Mods --- Can you please relabel a couple threads to give better clarity??




Change Dead Pool to:


Dead Pool Sr.


Change Badmotorfinger to:


Dead Pool Jr.


Change Thrift Shop Camaro to:


Dead Pool Sr and Jr knock up their First Cousin, keeping it "real" in the family

Do you seriously have over 17,000 posts? :twak:

[fleetus macmullitz]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

F9LjYaZnwXA


lol

[GregWeld]

Do you seriously have over 17,000 posts? :twak:



Ain't retirement great?? Oh wait.... how would you know.... Sorry. Rhetorical question.


BTW -- Tomorrow morning I leave the beauty and peace of Sun Valley to go to an actual track (Thunderhill) and run my car... All weekend... many sessions... We'll have the cheeseballs on for ya. :popcorn2: :poke: :peepwall:

[Payton King]

Not even my thread and I get abused.

[Sieg]

It's such a nice day.........think I'll take my car for a drive. :unibrow:

[DavidBoren]

Ahh, the good old "I can drive my car" trump card.

[Matt@BOS]

It's such a nice day.........think I'll take my car for a drive. :unibrow:

It's a really nice day down in SoCal too. So nice I can't decide which loud, clunky, kidney destroying car to hop into today.

Oh, the things you have to look forward to, DG! :lol:

[Flash68]

Ahh, the good old "I can drive my car" trump card.

Yep. It's just not my year. Again. :lol:

It's a really nice day down in SoCal too. So nice I can't decide which loud, clunky, kidney destroying car to hop into today.

Oh, the things you have to look forward to, DG! :lol:

What are you... like 25 going on 58? :geezer:

:rockin:

[Flash68]

Oh and Rob was in town so I had a pro camera man at my disposal:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0001_zpsejftavwh.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/BMF%20Camaro/IMG_0001_zpsejftavwh.jpg.html)

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[intocarss]

Looking good DG. Nice that you found a shop that is getting it done!!:thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

Last few post are too funny! This build has definitely gone from mild to wild!

[GregWeld]

I bought a whole race car for what you're in those mufflers........

[GregWeld]

Ahh, the good old "I can drive my car" trump card.



David -- Meet Dave... oh and Payton... and oh about 50 others on here... some build threads are... well... what should we say... Fossilized? Nah.... Prehistoric? Too strong?? Okay... measured in light years?

Most of the "chatter" is just to bump them (the threads) to the top once in awhile to remind the owners to walk out to the garage and look under the boxes...

[Matt@BOS]

Yep. It's just not my year. Again. :lol:



What are you... like 25 going on 58? :geezer:

:rockin:

Seeing this much progress on your car sometimes makes me wonder if I am in some alternate universe, 30 years in the future.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

now thems some boom tubes

[fleetus macmullitz]

I bought a whole race car for what you're in those mufflers........

Yeahbutt...

DG's mufflers > GW's Miata



:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Most of the "chatter" is just to bump them (the threads) to the top once in awhile to remind the owners to walk out to the garage and look under the boxes...

Yep.

And it also reminds some brave souls here to see if the place where they're hiding their credit card receipts is still 'secure'.


:G-Dub:

[Vegas69]

Another 100k and you are there, man. :thumbsup:

Looking good there, sir.

[Greg from Aus]

Looking the business Dave, don't worry about that Weld character, he's only pissed he can't afford it. :underchair:

[Flash68]

I bought a whole race car for what you're in those mufflers........

You must be talking about that pit vehicle you bought to take you from the rig to the clubhouse and back.

Prehistoric? Too strong??

Nah. Not strong enough.

Yeahbutt...

DG's mufflers > GW's Miata



:D

They certainly should be!

Yep.

And it also reminds some brave souls here to see if the place where they're hiding their credit card receipts is still 'secure'.


:G-Dub:

Man I seem to be headed that direction.... :G-Dub:

Another 100k and you are there, man. :thumbsup:

Looking good there, sir.

$100k? That's it? Whew....

Looking the business Dave, don't worry about that Weld character, he's only pissed he can't afford it. :underchair:

Business is the plan... thanks GOOD Greg.... :D

[WSSix]

That's a wicked exhaust system, Dave. Hope it sounds badass!

[DBasher]

Wasn't the exhaust done a few years ago? This feels like deja vu...I'll have to go back and reread.

:thumbsup:

[intocarss]

I GOT YOUR BACK DG :thumbsup:

[rustomatic]

Were I in the manly dual exhaust club, I'd be like dude, bro, crossover? X-pipe? Other special powers?

If you wait long enough, I might start an unbuild/build thread for my car that will probably not move out of my garage again for about a pre-K childhood or so...

[Flash68]

That's a wicked exhaust system, Dave. Hope it sounds badass!

Good God me too! :D

Wasn't the exhaust done a few years ago? This feels like deja vu...I'll have to go back and reread.

:thumbsup:

Yeah it was done.... very economically I got a real Nascar boom tube ($90 off ebay) to fit with relative ease and loved it. But big exhaust systems don't work too well with torque arms, and we lowered the car a bit.

No need to re-read... you won't find anything in this quagmire.

Were I in the manly dual exhaust club, I'd be like dude, bro, crossover? X-pipe? Other special powers?

If you wait long enough, I might start an unbuild/build thread for my car that will probably not move out of my garage again for about a pre-K childhood or so...

I GOT YOUR BACK DG :thumbsup:

An H or X pipe would be nice but at this power level it really doesn't matter. Traction will be at a premium anyway. Especially since this is a 200 TW wearing street car. :underchair:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Looks like yer startin' to see the light at the end of the tunnel DG.

[sik68]

Looking good DG! I think you should route the same exhaust on the Dmax :peepwall:

[Flash68]

Looking good DG! I think you should route the same exhaust on the Dmax :peepwall:

I like your thinking. :superhack:

[intocarss]

Looks like yer startin' to see the light at the end of the tunnel DG.

:thumbsup:

[DBasher]

I'm going to just put this here....

[WSSix]

Is that real?! Please say it's real. Please!

[DBasher]

I wish! The kid's name is Khyzyl Saleem and he's a got really cool style.

:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Is that real?! Please say it's real. Please!

Can't be real, it's not on jackstands.

:underchair:

[WSSix]

hehehe I knew it wasn't Dave's. I was just really hoping it was a real car. It's very DTM looking. I love it!

[Flash68]

That thing is pretty cool. It just makes me hungry. :)

[glassman]

Well theres only one way to feed that appetite, in the words of the famous 21st century profit, "GET'R DONE"!!!

[Spiffav8]

I'm going to just put this here....

That was just mean. I like your style! :D

[67goatman455]

Someone needs to make you old farts some facebook accounts, it is a pain in the ass to keep track of whats going on with this car lol

[Sieg]

DG - I found a Stuart Smalley approved performance mod for your build........

http://www.gurneetools.com/old/images/acdelco34723.jpg

[Flash68]

Someone needs to make you old farts some facebook accounts, it is a pain in the ass to keep track of whats going on with this car lol

I could not agree more. :D

DG - I found a Stuart Smalley approved performance mod for your build........

http://www.gurneetools.com/old/images/acdelco34723.jpg

Thanks Sieg. I don't have any use for that but I know of a Torino that could use that once it decides to come off the trailer onto the ground sometime in 2016 or 2017.

[Matt@BOS]

All fast, running track cars need at least a pair of jackstands.

[Flash68]

All fast, running track cars need at least a pair of jackstands.

I am neither fast nor running.

But I do have 2 pairs of jackstands in the garage.... used... by someone else.

This thread is so sad.

[96z28ss]

I wonder if Doug will have his new LS monster motor and DSE subframe in place and running before your car is done?

[DFRESH]

I wonder if Doug will have his new LS monster motor and DSE subframe in place and running before your car is done?

Yes.

[Flash68]

I wonder if Doug will have his new LS monster motor and DSE subframe in place and running before your car is done?

Yes.

So you think you will win the battle of the snails?

You've had that DSE subframe since before Rich was drinking Bud Light.

[DFRESH]

So you think you will win the battle of the snails?

You've had that DSE subframe since before Rich was drinking Bud Light.

I just used the car again today to drive to work---took it to lunch---then drove home on PCH through Laguna Beach.

What is the subframe you speak of?

[Vegas69]

Not only will it run first, it will run for $100,000 less. hahahahahahaha

[Ron in SoCal]

So you think you will win the battle of the snails?

You've had that DSE subframe since before Rich was drinking Bud Light.

That was before Pro-Touring was a twinkle in Stielow's eye.

[Flash68]

I just used the car again today to drive to work---took it to lunch---then drove home on PCH through Laguna Beach.

What is the subframe you speak of?

Not only will it run first, it will run for $100,000 less. hahahahahahaha

You guys are really packing the 1-2 punch these days.

One guy's got 190 horsepower (still)

The other guy has zero horsepower.

Keep up the great work guys. :lol: :cheers:

Doc, is that DSE sub serial number 001?

[Vegas69]

I'm starting to feel guilty after 5 years of ribbing. :lol:

[Flash68]

I'm starting to feel guilty after 5 years of ribbing. :lol:

You need to keep it up for at least another 5 years!

[89 RS]

You guys are really packing the 1-2 punch these days.

One guy's got 190 horsepower (still)

The other guy has zero horsepower.

Keep up the great work guys. :lol: :cheers:

Doc, is that DSE sub serial number 001?

I don't have any room to talk, but that's funny. :lol: :cheers:

[intocarss]

Opened this thread with so much hope :waveflag:

[GregWeld]

Wait! .....Rich is drinking Bud Light?

[Sieg]

Opened this thread with so much hope :waveflag:

Jer Dawg, you can't morf a perfectly good Camaro into one of these in only two years.

http://www.rossiniracing.com/images/watkins-glen-spec-miata-lap-record-2014.jpg

[GregWeld]

Those look really familiar..... but I can't quite recall what they are.






Jer Dawg, you can't morf a perfectly good Camaro into one of these in only two years.

http://www.rossiniracing.com/images/watkins-glen-spec-miata-lap-record-2014.jpg

[intocarss]

Jer Dawg, you can't morf a perfectly good Camaro into one of these in only two years.

http://www.rossiniracing.com/images/watkins-glen-spec-miata-lap-record-2014.jpg

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Sieg]

Those look really familiar..... but I can't quite recall what they are.

:y0!: .............Race cars.

[Flash68]

Jer Dawg, you can't morf a perfectly good Camaro into one of these in only two years.

http://www.rossiniracing.com/images/watkins-glen-spec-miata-lap-record-2014.jpg

Those look really familiar..... but I can't quite recall what they are.

All I know is they are faster in that stand still photo than in real life.

Isn't Todd in that class with his '89 Grand Cherokee?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Isn't Todd in that class with his '89 Grand Cherokee?

So?

It's a perfectly sane vehicle choice...

[Vegas69]

I gots one thing to say, it runs. :D

[Flash68]

I made a line graph of my dyno numbers... ya know, since nothing else is really going on here and this engine was completed and dyno'd over a year and half ago. :computer:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/Watson%20437%20SB2.2%20dyno%20graph_zpsabzfpd6r.jp g (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/Watson%20437%20SB2.2%20dyno%20graph_zpsabzfpd6r.jp g.html)

[GregWeld]

Now - make another graph plotting "skill level" and "track experience" ...... LOL

[Flash68]

Now - make another graph plotting "skill level" and "track experience" ...... LOL

:lol:

Laugh it up Ron Sutton Jr.

I won't forget my transponder I can assure you that. :action-smiley-027:

[Chad-1stGen]

ha ha ha. Poor Badmotofinger is the punching bag of Lat-g.

Funny that your dyno graph practically starts at 4k rpm. Because racecar...

[Ron in SoCal]

ha ha ha. Poor Badmotofinger is the punching bag of Lat-g.

Funny that your dyno graph practically starts at 4k rpm. Because racecar...

I know what yer sayin' Chad, but graph does look flat @ 4k and over 500 ft/lbs. I think he'll have plenty of grunt. Plus DG's a down low kinda guy. :lol:

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Looks as streetable as a Prius.

At this rate, you'll need to tear it back down and re-lube it. hahahaha

[fleetus macmullitz]

Dyno line graph...

[WSSix]

I hope I have a torque curve like that with my stroker.

[carbuff]

Looks as streetable as a Prius.

At this rate, you'll need to tear it back down and re-lube it. hahahaha

And replace those valve springs if the engine hasn't been turned over in a while. Ask me how I learned that lesson. :(

[Flash68]

ha ha ha. Poor Badmotofinger is the punching bag of Lat-g.

Funny that your dyno graph practically starts at 4k rpm. Because racecar...

It is a punching bag... and well deserved eh.

Starts at 3900 because dyno operator likes to go easy on his dyno, that's all.

I'd be willing to bet this thing makes very respectable torque well below that 3900 number.

437 inches and a cam that's really not that rowdy. I am leaving a ton of power on the table with the heads on this thing due to mild cam and low rocker ratio (1.7) vs your average SB2.2 headed engine.

#becausecubicinchesandmildcam

:D

I know what yer sayin' Chad, but graph does look flat @ 4k and over 500 ft/lbs. I think he'll have plenty of grunt. Plus DG's a down low kinda guy. :lol:

:cheers:

Bad Ron, are you actually in support of me here? Kinda? On the down low? :lol:

Looks as streetable as a Prius.

At this rate, you'll need to tear it back down and re-lube it. hahahaha

Todd, always the bearer of good news. :lol:

Dyno line graph...

Newman!

I hope I have a torque curve like that with my stroker.

Nothing like cubes to bring a power band down to the left.

And replace those valve springs if the engine hasn't been turned over in a while. Ask me how I learned that lesson. :(

My apologies that you bought a used motor to start with and never touched it before installing. :slingshot:

In all seriousness, I can't recall the specs of yours, but mine has pretty mild spring pressures considering the parts list. I hope this serves me well in the interim and in the longer term. :)

[Flash68]

ha ha ha. Poor Badmotofinger is the punching bag of Lat-g.

Funny that your dyno graph practically starts at 4k rpm. Because racecar...

Hey Chad.... because racecar here as well? :rules:

Wait... don't you have a Mast LS too? :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/11401239_10206708789746493_8554300683051366263_n_z ps3use2nen.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/11401239_10206708789746493_8554300683051366263_n_z ps3use2nen.jpg.html)

[Chad-1stGen]

Hey Chad.... because racecar here as well? :rules:

Wait... don't you have a Mast LS too? :D



First, I will take Hobaugh's LS7 anytime over my motor. That said, here is my dyno graph...

Note that I do have more torque at 3,600 rpm...

http://carphotos3.cardomain.com/images/0015/94/16/15614961_large.jpg

[Flash68]

Both of those Mast curves look sweet. I am gonna go out on a limb and say all 3 of these engines are/will be a hoot to drive. :D

In before Sieg asks me what my projected MPG will be.... :action-smiley-027:

[Sieg]

In before Sieg asks me what my projected MPG will be.... :action-smiley-027:

David - Keyword: Projected

I hope I'm still alive to see the actual.

[carbuff]

My apologies that you bought a used motor to start with and never touched it before installing. :slingshot:

In all seriousness, I can't recall the specs of yours, but mine has pretty mild spring pressures considering the parts list. I hope this serves me well in the interim and in the longer term. :)

:Tomcat:

Actually it wasn't used, it had just been sitting for a while. I bought it from the original build shop. But I'd bet those springs had been in the same position for, oh, 5 years or so. And they were beehives, not exactly a high-pressure spring rate on those...

Go put a long wrench on that crank snout and turn it over once in a while.

[Flash68]

:Tomcat:

Actually it wasn't used, it had just been sitting for a while. I bought it from the original build shop. But I'd bet those springs had been in the same position for, oh, 5 years or so. And they were beehives, not exactly a high-pressure spring rate on those...

Go put a long wrench on that crank snout and turn it over once in a while.

Just messin..

Yeah it's not a bad idea. But what's another couple months when it's been sitting for oh, coming up on 2 years... sigh.



I hope I'm still alive to see the actual.

The way you use a machete I am worried for you. And others. :slingshot:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Newman!



Bania!

[Sieg]

The way you use a machete I am worried for you. And others. :slingshot:
This guy agrees with you as he was an early victim.......and bad karma for me. :sieg:

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Q2scKBd/0/L/i-Q2scKBd-L.jpg

.......at least I didn't get a dog!

[sixnina]

I made a line graph of my dyno numbers... ya know, since nothing else is really going on here and this engine was completed and dyno'd over a year and half ago. :computer:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/Watson%20437%20SB2.2%20dyno%20graph_zpsabzfpd6r.jp g (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/Watson%20437%20SB2.2%20dyno%20graph_zpsabzfpd6r.jp g.html)

Dave,
You sure you gonna have enough power there? Jk Have you driven anything that radical, I can't quite remember the horse power numbers on your other cars. It's going to be a tough one to get all that power planted.
Shane

[Scott Haggai]

Damn thats a lot of power!

[Flash68]

Dave,
You sure you gonna have enough power there? Jk Have you driven anything that radical, I can't quite remember the horse power numbers on your other cars. It's going to be a tough one to get all that power planted.
Shane

It'll do! There's a lot of power left in it if I want to get more radical with the cam actually. That's for later. Maybe.

While this will undoubtedly be a handful, it's not my first big power car. My previous Camaro with the procharged SBC that Jody built was around 750-800 crank hp (even though I didn't get to put much mileage on it before selling it). But I did daily drive a 700+ hp twin turbo Porsche for 2 years. It's a different car of course but power is power and you do get used to it and comfortable with it.

It's all relative.... I got bored pretty quick with the first motor in this car (550ish hp) and knew I would need more for my own satisfaction. To some people 450-500 hp is a ton. And that's not a bad thing.

And then there's people like SW.. where 800 hp feels like Weld's Miata.

Damn thats a lot of power!

Yeah it should be a wild ride. :D

And you are on fire with your :bigun2: posting today! :lol:

[Sheck44]

I completely agree with Flash68, it's all what your used to, but I have to say that I've now had my 69 on the road now for a few days and there's no way in hell I'd want more power then this ... It's an absolute monster but I've got it just right for 'me', in the wrong hands though this kind of power can get very dangerous very quickly

Cheers
Steve

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii200/SCOBRA48/WAAAY%20OTT/LS7%20Dyno%20Final_zpscznlpsez.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/SCOBRA48/media/WAAAY%20OTT/LS7%20Dyno%20Final_zpscznlpsez.jpg.html)

[Flash68]

That's gotta be a blast to drive ^^

But report back in a year or so on that power level. :D

[garret805]

That dyno sheet should be illegal.

[Panteracer]

They always say there is never too much power
I rode Cr 500's back when they were not detuned
unbelievable machines

Pantera has 600 ...bird has 750... after driving
the Bird I often wish the Pantera had more

Ran against a 750hp Pantera on the track several
times and how he could pull me down the straights
was like nitrous

I vote more Power

Bob

[GregWeld]

This has nothing to do with Dave's car or the thread in general... but then come to think about it - not much in here actually does...




I vote more DRIVER capable of handling more power..... and a properly set up car that can actually take advantage of the power.

So many videos already on YouTube of the idiots crashing their brand new HellCats and Corvettes...

People learn to drive better with LOW POWER momentum cars... and most could probably put down better laps times with a Miata than they could/can in an 850hp "PT car". They'd actually drive the line carrying some speed, instead of linking a whole bunch of "oh sh!t" moments together. Thinking back to the dude that used to manage the El Toro track, that drove a PRIUS backwards and laid laps times better than most that came with their big time cars. LOL






They always say there is never too much power
I rode Cr 500's back when they were not detuned
unbelievable machines

Pantera has 600 ...bird has 750... after driving
the Bird I often wish the Pantera had more

Ran against a 750hp Pantera on the track several
times and how he could pull me down the straights
was like nitrous

I vote more Power

Bob

[Flash68]

They always say there is never too much power
I rode Cr 500's back when they were not detuned
unbelievable machines

Pantera has 600 ...bird has 750... after driving
the Bird I often wish the Pantera had more

Ran against a 750hp Pantera on the track several
times and how he could pull me down the straights
was like nitrous

I vote more Power

Bob


I vote more power as well Bob. :D

I wonder why Greg went out and bought a Miata after driving the Mustang last couple years.... hmmmmm

This has nothing to do with Dave's car or the thread in general... but then come to think about it - not much in here actually does...




I vote more DRIVER capable of handling more power..... and a properly set up car that can actually take advantage of the power.

So many videos already on YouTube of the idiots crashing their brand new HellCats and Corvettes...

People learn to drive better with LOW POWER momentum cars... and most could probably put down better laps times with a Miata than they could/can in an 850hp "PT car". They'd actually drive the line carrying some speed, instead of linking a whole bunch of "oh sh!t" moments together. Thinking back to the dude that used to manage the El Toro track, that drove a PRIUS backwards and laid laps times better than most that came with their big time cars. LOL

So one minute you advocate going out and just having fun and it's not about being fast and lap times and transponders and bla bla bla..... and then now it's how to scale in and get to be a better driver by starting with a lower power car, hitting the lines, hitting the g-spot, I mean apex, and then adding power and reducing lap times and bla bla bla... (okay I added a little extra in there :D)

But still, I didn't know John Kerry (expert flip flopper) joined the forum!

[Vegas69]

He should run for office. He's full of enough sh*t. :D

[Rmonte]

When do we see the Vegas69 update???

[DBasher]

When do we see the Vegas69 update???


Check the Healthy Living thread! :D

[Flash68]

When do we see the Vegas69 update???

I like the way you think.

[intocarss]

I vote more power as well Bob. :D

I wonder why Greg went out and bought a Miata after driving the Mustang last couple years.... hmmmmm



So one minute you advocate going out and just having fun and it's not about being fast and lap times and transponders and bla bla bla..... and then now it's how to scale in and get to be a better driver by starting with a lower power car, hitting the lines, hitting the g-spot, I mean apex, and then adding power and reducing lap times and bla bla bla... (okay I added a little extra in there :D)

But still, I didn't know John Kerry (expert flip flopper) joined the forum! I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS RT HERE

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=372664&postcount=7 :waveflag: :rules: :waveflag:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS RT HERE

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=372664&postcount=7

haaaa haaaaaa I knew that one would come back!!:D

[Flash68]

I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS RT HERE

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=372664&postcount=7 :waveflag: :rules: :waveflag:

haaaa haaaaaa I knew that one would come back!!:D

Change is constant. :)

[GregWeld]

I just added up the collective "seat time" of the "more power chorus"....


OUCH! is about all I can say about that <Forrest Gump voice>

[Vegas69]

I'LL JUST LEAVE THIS RT HERE

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=372664&postcount=7 :waveflag: :rules: :waveflag:

That was 10,783 posts ago. People can change. hahahahaha

[Flash68]

Flares, shmares.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/yeah_zpsws61jk08.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/yeah_zpsws61jk08.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Looks like something we might expect from "Budget Crack Junky".... but not on the #FlashieThingieNASCARCamaroFordCortexUltimateRaceC ar









Flares, shmares.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/yeah_zpsws61jk08.jpg (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/flash68/media/yeah_zpsws61jk08.jpg.html)

[fleetus macmullitz]

#flareroids

[Track Junky]

Looks like something we might expect from "Budget Crack Junky".... but not on the #FlashieThingieNASCARCamaroFordCortexUltimateRaceC ar

One word for you. "DILLUSIONAL" :twak:

[96z28ss]

I don't understand what's so wrong with flares. Some people make a living designing them. Sheesh!

As long it don't look like this.
http://www.cherokeeforum.com/attachments/f2/11806d1264634681t-fender-trimming-but-keeping-stock-flares-custom-fenders-3.jpg

[Panteracer]

One of the guys I went to high school
Started the vette Flairs in Scca back in the
day. This is his car way back when. I am trying
to get together with him to catch up. I guess he
is still glassing away. Skip love the Pantera

Bob

[Flash68]

I don't understand what's so wrong with flares. Some people make a living designing them. Sheesh!

As long it don't look like this.
http://www.cherokeeforum.com/attachments/f2/11806d1264634681t-fender-trimming-but-keeping-stock-flares-custom-fenders-3.jpg

Flares will definitely happen... just not sure when... might run Joe Dirt style for a bit.. and full embrace it. :D

One of the guys I went to high school
Started the vette Flairs in Scca back in the
day. This is his car way back when. I am trying
to get together with him to catch up. I guess he
is still glassing away. Skip love the Pantera

Bob

Hey Bob, local guy? Might be interested in talking to him....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Pre Father's Day bump for what I predict will be the most explosive thread of 2016...

#WaitingPool


U0Hx5ka1FiA

[Flash68]

WaitingPool.... :lol: :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I don't understand what's so wrong with flares. Some people make a living designing them. Sheesh!

As long it don't look like this.
http://www.cherokeeforum.com/attachments/f2/11806d1264634681t-fender-trimming-but-keeping-stock-flares-custom-fenders-3.jpg

Haaa haaaa see I told you Dave. :tv_happy:

[intocarss]

AND HERE I THOUGHT :shakehead:

[fleetus macmullitz]

AND HERE I THOUGHT :shakehead:

#foolmeTwice

Jer, you're such a...


LbaBkDlo1e4


:thankyou:

[DBasher]

Almost a month since an update from me.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9446.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9465.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9473.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9497.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9505.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9510.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9520-Edit.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/_MG_9530.jpg

Refreshing with pictures so I can remember exactly which Camaro this build is about.....:hello:

[Neil B]

I loved it the way it was as well as what you are doing to it! It always creates that visceral reaction when I see it. You just KNOW it's badass.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Those old pics...#mustamissedallthatwinning

:ohsnap:

[Panteracer]

Flash,
Sorry missed your question until now about the flairs
Yes he is in Morgan Hill
I have an Email and Contact
One of my Superintendents when by
his place and he is still glassing on the weekends

I can send you his contacts
if you want

Bob

[GregWeld]

Refreshing with pictures so I can remember exactly which Camaro this build is about.....:hello:




I think we need some shirtless Selfies of Vegas69....... tossed into the mix.

[Vegas69]

Nobody wants to see that.. :D

So this was a car at some point. :trophy-1302:

[GregWeld]

Nobody wants to see that.. :D

So this was a car at some point. :trophy-1302:



Just trying to breathe some "life" into this non race car thread... LOL