Project "Payback"

[Vegas69]

I have been lurking around here for quite a while and thought I would introduce my project that has recently started. It took me nearly a year to find the right car for the project. I ended up purchasing a all original 307 car with 90k original miles and have already sold a bunch of parts I don't need to the guys on camaros.net. I had purchased another car but found it to be rough and ran across this car and couldn't pass it up.
I named the car Payback due to a long story that I'll keep fairly short. I purchased a 1968 camaro at the beginning of my senior year in highschool for $3500. The dealer I bought it from agreed to paint it any color I wanted as part of the deal. I decided on corvette yellow with black Z28 stripes. I picked the car up and paid cash. It had a 400 small block and turbo 350. Turns out the car was destined for the junk yard before the shop rescued it. I took it to prom and raced the car out on the country roads quite a few times and did well. The 400 was tired along with pretty much all the mechanical parts. I spent the next three years and every dime I made restoring the mechanical parts of the car. I built a 355 with a steel crank, decked block, double hump heads ported and polished, etc. Rebuilt the entire suspension, brakes, transmission, repainted the engine copartment, underneath, bushings etc. Well I finally had it just the way I wanted it and had about 2000 miles on the clock when I decided to move to Las Vegas. I stored it and planned to come back for it the moment I had a place to keep it. That never happened. I got a phone call that it had been stolen and they did eventually find the car. It was stripped and I couldn't take it back. I got a measly 7500 bucks from the insurance company.
I have always wanted to build another one so I am going to payback the piles of dog **** that stole it by building my idea of the perfect 1969 camaro resto mod style. Most of the parts are already bought and I will post updated throughout the project.

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[Rybar]

Cool story, I'm sure it will be nice as I've seen alot of your posts and you do have some nice parts lined up.

If you are in vegas have you contacted Tyler at ATS? www.t56kit.com he can hook you up with some nice parts.

[skatinjay27]

hey im in vegas too, are you the same vegas69 over at protouring.com
if so why not post some of the newer picks...

[Vegas69]

I haven't had a chance to speak with Tyler at ATS. But I will keep him in mind in the future. These are the newest pictures. The wheel shot you saw on protouring was the previous project with my wheels hung on it. I'll post the real deal when its mocked up and mini tubbed.

[Vegas69]

My project is unfortunately on hold due to a fallout with the builder that was going to do the car. After a year and a lot of promises that weren't kept. I'll leave it at that. Looks like more payback is in order.
I am talking to someone about taking over and if things work out I will be doing a roller and completing the rest of the car. The engine shows up next week at my house. Good news with the engine. It made 593 hp at 6000 rpm and still climbing and 587 lbft at 3700rpm. I ended up getting a march setup and didn't realize it doesn't have some of the bling so I will be adding it when it gets on the engine stand in my garage.
Here is the dyno: http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/th_1eda007a.jpg (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/?action=view&current=1eda007a.flv)

[ProdigyCustoms]

The Prodigy Rescue Team is on the way! To cool of a story! To cool of a customer! To cool of a car! Can't say no. Besides, I need something to drive in Vegas!

[Vegas69]

Frank and I have struck a deal! I am now excited about my project again. Frank I'll let you borrow the car anytime buddy!

[Bandit Ls-1]

man thats a horrible story about ur 1st camaro, but this car looks great man good luck.

[vinz68]

sorry to hear about your first camaro:( i wish you all the best with "payback":woot:

[skatinjay27]

very cool todd, frank and hes crew do amazing work. so now whats the finsh date looking like...

[Vegas69]

The car is being picked up this coming week and delivered to Prodigy Customs along with all my parts. Once it gets there, Frank will be able to give me a better idea of when to expect it.

[Vegas69]

Can you say the boys at Prodigy Customs are kicking some ass on my car! Franks got more done having my car for a short while than a year at the last shop. Looks like buying that virgin 307 car paid off. I am not going to let the cat out of the bag on the finish date yet because it's rediculous!

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[skatinjay27]

cool, you must be very excited!!!is frank putting a nitto model in the car for delivery!!!

[ProdigyCustoms]

Opps, what other pictures were in that group? The fabrication should be done in two weeks. Fenders and doors are repaired today. Quarters this week, mini tubs and blocking next week. Should be back in Vegas by mid October.

[olds87]

Nice :thumbsup: , love the pic of nitto model and the one on the right.

[Vegas69]

Sweet Frank:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Frank and the boys at Prodigy Customs are making great progress. Rough bodywork is done, minitubs are in, subframe connectors are done. Little hiccup with the rear rims. 19x13 and a 345 buldge the sidewalls to much so the rims need narrowed 1 inch. Frank and I are blaming that one on a sleepless night with strippers, booze, and a tatoo. Not going to say which one of us:D Should be in the booth for epoxy primer and getting that body straight for the sexy black paint. Engine photos are next.
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[ProdigyCustoms]

Well, were at 20 days now. After a long day of polishing metal and some touch up sandblasting, Payback is now locked in DP90 Epoxy and ready for finish bodywork. looks good in black already!

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[skatinjay27]

eww its getting so close, DAMN frank you guys are quick.

todd you finish that engine yet, let see a pic.
pretty sweet to know that this bad boy is gonna be rolling around vegas!

[Flash68]

Vegas, that thing is gonna be bad! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Hey Jay the engine is ready just waiting on the headers to show up on my doorstep. Should be next week. Flash I checked out Vertigo and that is one bad ass project!

[7TSS]

Nice project.

Sorry to hear about the previous ride and then the "other" builder.

Looks like things are well on track. Looking at Prodigy's other projects you seem to be in good hands.

Looking forward to more updates

[Flash68]

Hey Jay the engine is ready just waiting on the headers to show up on my doorstep. Should be next week. Flash I checked out Vertigo and that is one bad ass project!

Thank you Vegas.

I have been waiting to see yours come together for awhile now too. I almost got those Boost wheels and I think they're gonna be sweet on your car, especially those big fat rears. Can't wait to see more update pics... keep em coming!

[Rybar]

Looking good, Frank and crew are working fast! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I think I creamed my pants when I unrapped the first header. Lemons makes some top notch headers. I finally got her almost completely dressed. Still need to play with the plug wires and send back the T-stat housing due to a couple scratches. Heres my beast:
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[Vegas69]

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[monza]

Wow, looking amazing .... those headers are like artwork! Very nice.

[68protouring454]

killer whos valve covers?

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys I am pretty stoked. The valve covers are proform but come alot duller. My engine builder scratched the piss out of them so I knocked off the clear coat with some rubbing compound and then polished them with some wizards billet polish. They came out closer to what I am looking for. Still a few scratches but I'll worry about that once she as some miles on her! I'm also thinking K&N breathers to match instead of the cheapos I roughed up.

[Flash68]

Whoa... everything looks sweet!

[skatinjay27]

man that is gonna look soo good in the 69!!!! todd where did you get the air cleaner assembly from?

[Vegas69]

It's made by proform and comes with a paper filter. I bought the K&N separate. You'll have about 100 bucks in it.

[Rybar]

That engine looks awesome. Nice job putting it together. :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

any new progress todd?

[Vegas69]

Not sure Jay......I have been trying to stay out of Franks ear the best I can due to Sema next week. I am ready to start slinging parts and have pretty much made all my decisions. The rear wheels have to be narrowed from 19x13 to 19x12 due to the tread width being to wide. I am planning to go to Sema if time allows.

[Spiffav8]

Looking forward to Payback getting finished. AJ and I need another Vegas guy to hang with.

:cheers:

[skatinjay27]

Not sure Jay......I have been trying to stay out of Franks ear the best I can due to Sema next week. I am ready to start slinging parts and have pretty much made all my decisions. The rear wheels have to be narrowed from 19x13 to 19x12 due to the tread width being to wide. I am planning to go to Sema if time allows.yea i bet hes working his ass of on emptynest... it amazes me how these guy cars are still being worked on with sema only a few day away, thats AWSOME. well todd when the car gets back if you ever need a hand getting it all buttoned up give me a ring, i could help when im NOT working...

[awr68]

The rear wheels have to be narrowed from 19x13 to 19x12 due to the tread width being to wide.

That doesn't sound right? Are you sure you don't need to widen the rear wheel to a 13" because of the 345 tire? The 345 calls for a 12-13.5" wheel so I would think your 13" would be perfect?

Car looks great BTW!!

[Vegas69]

Jay and Curtis I want to see both your cars. If you plan to go to a show or meet up let me know. After mini tubbing the tires didn't have enough clearance so narrowing the wheel 1 inch will gain about a half inch sucking in the sidewall. Last Frank and I talked the car was getting blocked out nice and slick for that shiny black paint. I might have to take Frank out and buy him some lap dances and get him good and drunk to get payback on it's way to Vegas a little sooner.

[ProdigyCustoms]

We do have some news on the tire / wheel dilema. We got Lisa's 345s on 12" rim, and they fit your car Todd also.

As for progress as you know you went on hold lasweek until after SEMA. See ya Saturday night for that lap dance

[Vegas69]

Glad to hear those big old meats are going to tuck up in those wheel wells nicely. You let me know when you hit the streets of Vegas and I'll gladly let you pick out the hottie of your choice.:D Really looking forward to seeing Emptynest and the Vette.

[tones2SS]

That engine looks awesome. Nice job putting it together. :thumbsup:
That's what I say.
VERY NICE ENGINE!!!!!:thumbsup:

[class67]

It seems like your project is going pretty smooth..and quick, which is always nice. Keep the updates coming and those headers are a work of art, awsome!

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys. I haven't updated my build for a while. Frank is hoping to have my car done in early December. I am making sure I have my engine ready to stab so that is all done. Today I spent about an hour on my oil breather system and my starter shield. I decided I didn't want to run valve cover breathers due to the mess that would eventually compromise my headers and so on.
I went ahead and bought some new valve covers with no holes so I could modify them. I am going to run a -12AN breather system with canister. Today I went ahead and found the best place for my breather and cut the hole, filed it smooth, and bolted it on. I was going to reduce it to -10 AN but Frank talked me into 12 so jegs is going to have to exchange a few things. :unibrow:
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[Vegas69]

I am running a GM performance parts mini starter. Those killer headers come with a compromise. The header and starter have to go on together. I hope to do it only once so I am taking every step to protect that little sucker. I moved the starter as close to the block as possible and of course the shield hits the block. I ground it down so it does not touch the block. I don't want any noise. I will also run my starter wiring and probably atleast one spark plug wire through the shield for extra protection.
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[Vegas69]

Firewall looks killer. Went over final body and sub mods yesterday. I don't need no stinkin wipers. Should be shiny soon:thumbsup:
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[Evil_s10]

Wow that big block is gonna feel right at home under that hood! Those headers look amazing!

[Spiffav8]

Will it be home for Christmas?

[ProdigyCustoms]

No, it will be black by Christmas but not quite home yet. The situation with Lisa's dad after SEMA through a wrench into things a bit.

[Vegas69]

I definitely creamed my pants when I opened up this email! Is there any color that looks better than black? Man it's looking sick. Frank said they plan to color sand it still and then clear coat. This year is getting off on the right foot!!!!:D
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[Spiffav8]

Wow! That is going to be sick!

I want to be there when it shows up here in Vegas. :thumbsup:

[awr68]

Looks great! With all the paint being sprayed it's an exciting time for many of us right now! :thumbsup:

[ProdigyCustoms]

Happy New Year Todd! She is going to be pretty hot.

[Vegas69]

This is definitely the fun part. Thanks for the comments and I'll let you know when the truck is on it's way Curtis.

[Rybar]

Lookin good man, there are alot of projects getting out of paint jail lately. :D

[skatinjay27]

This is definitely the fun part. Thanks for the comments and I'll let you know when the truck is on it's way Curtis.hey,hey,hey do leave me out todd!lol

man that car is gonna be slick, in reference to you other post, i say red calipers and as big of rotors as you can fit!!!

[Vegas69]

AJ I haven't forgotten you buddy. I'll make sure I let you know when she is on the way. I like the red calipers but decided it didn't fit the scheme. It will be 13" front and back with 6 piston/large 4 piston rear. Cross drilled and slotted in black powder coat. Man this thing is going to be a bitch to keep clean.:D

[skatinjay27]

AJ I haven't forgotten you buddy. I'll make sure I let you know when she is on the way. I like the red calipers but decided it didn't fit the scheme. It will be 13" front and back with 6 piston/large 4 piston rear. Cross drilled and slotted in black powder coat. Man this thing is going to be a bitch to keep clean.:Dyea but its gonna be one dark and mean lookin 69!!!!!! better order the zaino!

[Vegas69]

Quick update....front sub is in and all the major body panels are hung. It's been over to the headliner shop and they are putting in my roll bar and seat belt set up. They have already color sanded the paint and waiting for the right conditions to spray on that final coat of black and then clear.:D
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Right now I am trying to decide exactly how I want my front end painted. (Grill, bumper, healight bezels, spoiler) That RCR camaro threw a wrench in my spokes. Can you have to much black? Naaaaaah

[Vegas69]

The engine is pretty much ready to plug and play. Since the last photos I have changed to MSD cut to lenght wires and run them under the headers with boot guards. Changed valve covers and installed a -12 AN fitting for my puke can. Painted the engine mounts. Got in touch with Lokar for the special fitting to work with the Gen VI pan. Put on my oil filter adapter and pipe fitting and AN connections. Cut a coil mount out of billet aluminum. The coil may still end up inside the car. The only thing that may still change is the oil pan to black. At first I really liked the red but now am having second thoughts. It may come off before I drop it in for a paint job. Other than that it's done.
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[4OfaKind]

Hey Todd,

Which shop in Vegas are you having your interior done at? I'm no where near that point but I like to have stuff planned ahead of time.

Thanks,

Mal

[Vegas69]

Interior is still up in the air. Considering having the stock door panels professionally redone or just ordering new deluxe stuff. The front seats will definitely be an aftermarket like a corbeau or sparco with the back seat to match. If I find someone that is referrable I'll let you know.

[Vegas69]

I had Ben work me up a rendering before it's time for trim, mirrors, grill, etc. He ended up doing about 6 different renderings for me. Ben is great to work with and I would highly recommend spending the money because it takes alot of the guess work out of it. Frank it's time to talk powder coat:clap:
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[awr68]

Looks sweet! Is it about ready to head home??

[XcYZ]

Wow, Ben hit another home run! :hail:

[ProdigyCustoms]

Looks sweet! Is it about ready to head home??

Pretty close. We got it out of the headliner shop and are just waiting for the perfect day to spray. We get a lot of 70 degree mild humidity days this time of year. Been a little chilly and wet since we brought it back. Soon as we get the right day, we clear. The it is days away.

[Spiffav8]

I had Ben work me up a rendering before it's time for trim, mirrors, grill, etc. He ended up doing about 6 different renderings for me. Ben is great to work with and I would highly recommend spending the money because it takes alot of the guess work out of it. Frank it's time to talk powder coat:clap:
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:thumbsup: That's going to be AWESOME!! Love the wheels and the stance!!

[Flash68]

Man this is sweet!

[Autokraft]

That is going to be Sweet when finished:hail:

Rendering is just awesome:thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

SWEET!!!! it looks soo good!
i guess you decided on the front bumper then... good choice.
i dont remember if you mentioned it but what are you running for suspension? that car screams air ride to me.

[Vegas69]

I appreciate all the positive comments. I like to think it's got a modern look but not lost all it's nastalgia. Ben recommended some modern mirrors but I want to keep the car muscular. I was really considering a Fuel or Killer Customs look but really wanted to keep the rear bumper chrome and the wheels will pop even more in reality. So I kept the chrome mirror and doorhandles along with the grill trim. The nice thing about it if I change my mind it's all stuff that pops off and can be painted or powdercoated easily. I don't think that is going to be the case.
AJ I am glad you are not writing the checks.:D I am running a g-bar out back and DSE upper and lower control arms with gulstrand mod and 2" lowering springs. The G bar has coil overs so I can dial in the stance and cut the front springs if necessary.
One of my favorite parts of the project is my seat belt set up. I wanted to get rid of the stock belts but didn't want to be strapped in the car with racing belts. I am going with a new set of 3 point belts mounted to the roll bar to function like a new factory car. Should have photos soon.

[skatinjay27]

lol.
i think the car looks PERFECT in the rendering. not to much chrome , not to much black, to me the car is the perfect mix, and i agree with you on the mirrors (are you doing the drivers side also?)

the gulstrand mod ... thats where you lower the upper control arm mounting hole right? i wouldnt or could spend the dough on an air ride system just the look of that car with the big rear wheels and tires, i just envisioned it being parked just sitting super low!!! no i like you susupension set-up , very very fuctionaly without all the added costs.

[Vegas69]

Yes....DSE has their own gulstrand template that works with their built in caster and camber curve. At this point adding anything to the budget is out. I totaled everything up in a spreadsheet and it's not pretty. :_paranoid But who gives a ****.:D

[vinz68]

Yes....DSE has their own gulstrand template that works with their built in caster and camber curve. At this point adding anything to the budget is out. I totaled everything up in a spreadsheet and it's not pretty. :_paranoid But who gives a ****.:D
I know what you mean! On paper it's scarry.

[Vegas69]

Hey at least yours drives! Well it used too.:rofl:

[Vegas69]

I opened my inbox and my computer locked up right when I saw that I had paint pics! Took me an hour to get my computer up and running. It was worth the wait:
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Wet sanding and buffing this week. Man does it look hot!!!!!!!

[Vegas69]

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Made my decision on paint and gauges for my DSE dash this week as well.
Gauges are on the way to Frank for a custom touch:D
Will be discussing final roll bar, seat belt, and grill finishes tomorrow sometime.

[Lenie]

That looks very nice, what brand and color of black is that? I'm spraying next week with ppg no toner black. I can only hope it turns out as nice as yours did.:thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

man i said it before and ill say it again thats some slick azz black paint!!!! looking good todd!!

[Vegas69]

That looks very nice, what brand and color of black is that? I'm spraying next week with ppg no toner black. I can only hope it turns out as nice as yours did.:thumbsup:
Lenie, probably best to PM Frank at prodigy for the color. It's supposed to be a really black black. Judging by the photos I agree.

[Spiffav8]

any idea on a delivery date?

[Vegas69]

When it gets here.:unibrow: My friends ask me that all the time and < that is my answer.

[awr68]

Looks awesome!! Sure have been a lot of cars in paint booths lately!!

[Rybar]

That is going to be one badass machine when done. Looks killer :thumbsup:

[navyflyer72]

Black Muscle in Vegas... hmmm to say that this is hot would be an understatement! haha... But seriously this '69 is looking HOT! Frank you guys rock!

[Vegas69]

Well the front subframe is in and welded, paint is almost finish buffed.......but I woke up yesterday and decided it was a bad move to use the stock sub in my car. So the boys at Prodigy are going to cut it out and the new DSE sub is going in!!
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This allows me to run a 275 up front and have a lower ride height than with the two inch drop springs.



Now the problem. I have to buy new headers, widen the front wheels, buy new tires,etc. :willy:
So my kick ass Lemons Headers are for sale and my freshly restored front sub tricked out with all DSE's finest is for sale. The pits have been filled and she has a fresh coat of paint. Headers are $1425 shipped and I need to think about the sub.

[awr68]

Sell Rupp the frame for his new car...

I thought you said DSE uses those headers for their builds? Are you sure they won't work?

In the end you know you made the right choice!! ;)

[Vegas69]

Sell Rupp the frame for his new car...

I thought you said DSE uses those headers for their builds? Are you sure they won't work?

In the end you know you made the right choice!! ;)
Already tried to sell it to Rupp. Haha Well they have with a stock sub. I called Dan Lemons and he said they will not clear the steering shaft or lower control arm mount. Since they are built to clear the steering gear and now I will have a rack. He has different jigging for the new DSE sub. I plan to call Lemons and DSE in the morning to triple check and place my new order for headers. Lot's of interest in the headers already. They should be sold this week. It's the only major change I have made midstream, so I guess I get one mulligan.

[awr68]

One major change is way under par...certainly you can dream up others!! ;)

[Vegas69]

One thing getting screwed around by my old builder did was give me plenty of time to plan, research, and plan some more. Interior is about all that is still up in the air. Have seats picked out, my DSE scheme is done and the guages are bought. Steering wheel and column are also bought. Door panels, rear seat, and stereo are the major decisions left. Roll bar is in but needs finished.

[awr68]

Yeah the interior is a very personal deal...I tend to keep them fairly factory and very usable. Updated seats are a must though! Since you have a roll bar I would stay with the performance feel/style...leave the mega-buck leather interiors for the smoothed over cruisers....I like them, I just don't think they blend well with a street fighter type build.

[skatinjay27]

lol todd didnt you just say last week , at this point theres no adding to the budget!!! :unibrow: :unibrow: you crazy man!!! thats gonna be sweet!!! the stock sub did seem out of place with your build though...

[Vegas69]

I called Frank and said talk me out of it. Didn't happen. Just like Frank said "You're all in" I knew it was the right decision but my credit card is chapped:lol: I am going to be so glad I did it once the car is rolling down the road. You have to think about resale when you build these cars. As much as we all want to think we will never sell our labors of love, they will go down the road eventually.
Anthony, I agree on the interior. I am mixing old and new anyway so it won't be to far from stock.
Ordered my new Lemons headers this morning. Dan Lemons nominated me for customer of the year. :rofl:

[Vegas69]

Was going to wait until the paint was fully cut and polished but what the hell. Had a couple requests due to wheel purhcases. Here you go guys! Think the tires are to small?
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Polished photos later this week!!

[Tom.A]

Really looks nice. What wheels are those? I looked through the thread but could not see it mentioned.

[Vegas69]

ZE Boost

[Rybar]

Those wheels look awesome. Looks good.

[skatinjay27]

man!!! those rears meats make the fronts look like skinnys!!!!

but i think the rear lips are too small :lol: :lol:
the wheels look good todd!!!

[Vegas69]

And they are 255's. They look like pizza cutters! 275's will end up on front.

[skatinjay27]

And they are 255's. They look like pizza cutters! 275's will end up on front. yep thanks to that dse subframe!!!!!
it will balance it out much better, looks and performance... my 4th gen has 275 / 315s and it tracks awesome!!! what exhaust set-up are you going with...

[Vegas69]

The jury is still out. Not looking for something annoyingly loud.

[skatinjay27]

i would just go with big pipe and magnaflows then... not too loud and should flow enough for that monster you call a motor!!!lol
but im pretty sure its not gonna be easy toning that thing down!

[Spiffav8]

If I can't hear you from at least a mile away it's not loud enough. :yes:

[69x22]

anxious!

[Vegas69]

The subframe went in last week! The paint is all buffed out and they are working on final assembly, roll bar/seat belts, and the dash insert now. It will be on the way to Vegas within a couple weeks!:D I am going to send the front wheels out when it gets here to widen them .5 inches so I can get my 275's up front.
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[awr68]

Looking great! Nice upgrade and pretty quick too!!

[7TSS]

I must say the guys @ Prodigy sure don't waste any time. I sure wish we had a shop like that here. Great work. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I think Frank is ready to have my car out of his life and get paid. :yes: It's so close to being done. Definitely in the home stretch and I am very excited to get started on brakes, wiring, engines, interior, fuel, :D

[Vegas69]

I set up transport today boys! :cheers:

[Spiffav8]

I set up transport today boys! :cheers:

Be sure to let me know of the delivery date so I can come by and see that sucker roll off the truck! :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

I set up transport today boys! :cheers:now the real fun begins!!!!:D

[Vegas69]

Exactly:yes:

[Spiffav8]

Aj and I keep talking about your car while we reassemble mine. We can't imagine how careful you have to be not to scratch anything on that car! :_paranoid

[Vegas69]

Your not kidding. I have plans for that and it's my first order of business. A combination of plastic, blankets, and fender cover should do the trick. I am in no hurry, otherwise I'll be back stuck on the couch or in front of the monitor every night again. All my friends are like I'll help you....the problem is they like to drink a 12 pack while doing it. Most all will be done solely. I'll be more likely to call you guys since you have experience.

[Spiffav8]

Your not kidding. I have plans for that and it's my first order of business. A combination of plastic, blankets, and fender cover should do the trick. I am in no hurry, otherwise I'll be back stuck on the couch or in front of the monitor every night again. All my friends are like I'll help you....the problem is they like to drink a 12 pack while doing it. Most all will be done solely. I'll be more likely to call you guys since you have experience.


I used a car cover for all but the area I'm working on and it's done a great job of keeping the car clean. It might sound kind of odd but I've used layers of blue painters tape to cover areas we are working on/around, to keep scratches and minor dings to a minimum and had great success. I keep Red Bull in the fridge for the guys but no beer. That's just asking for trouble! Figure I'll have a BBQ for everyone that helped when we're done and they can drink all they want then.

I'm more than willing to lend a hand so just say when. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Yep....have two big rolls of painter tape too. I'll get in touch with you and AJ when I know the delivery date.:thumbsup:

[awr68]

exciting stuff!! can't wait to see some pics in the LV sun!! :cheers:

[Vegas69]

You and me both.....:cheers:

[skatinjay27]

im not really a drinker so you dont have to worry about that...
but i am a lil scared to work on you car due to the fresh big$$$ paint job. but im sure if you go overboard on protecting it youll be fine... i pretty good at being extra carefull since my car is already painted and so is curtis's and ive been fine with both of them...
todd do you have my #?

[DOOM]

Any word on delivery yet???

[Vegas69]

Talked to Frank on Monday and they are still shooting to have it on the hauler this weekend.

[Spiffav8]

Talked to Frank on Monday and they are still shooting to have it on the hauler this weekend.


Great. I work 6 days this month and sure as sh!t it will show up while I'm out of town. :mad:

[Vegas69]

Curtis....this car is going nowhere. Come on over when you get back.

Carpet is optional right?
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[awr68]

Getting closer!! :cheers:

[skatinjay27]

that seatbelt setup should be pretty trick!

[DOOM]

:cheers: Any word yet can't wait to see it.Its got to be killing you!!

[Vegas69]

I have been crazy busy lately, but I still harass Frank as much as possible. I talked to him today and the car is 100% on the semi Friday. All they had left was the headlight buckets and window trim. I have brakes, wiring, and a Ricks tank on the way. I will be ordering all my misc crap from classic industries this month as well. I have pictures of it pretty complete,but I want to post it in full roller status.:D Next time may be it being lowered off the truck. :thumbsup: Doom...I have only laid hands on the car once in stock form. I have never even seen the wheels in person. It's still a cartoon to me. When it show up, it will be a real reality check. I can't wait to make this thing a nasty mother.

[DOOM]

I have been crazy busy lately, but I still harass Frank as much as possible. I talked to him today and the car is 100% on the semi Friday. All they had left was the headlight buckets and window trim. I have brakes, wiring, and a Ricks tank on the way. I will be ordering all my misc crap from classic industries this month as well. I have pictures of it pretty complete,but I want to post it in full roller status.:D Next time may be it being lowered off the truck. :thumbsup: Doom...I have only laid hands on the car once in stock form. I have never even seen the wheels in person. It's still a cartoon to me. When it show up, it will be a real reality check. I can't wait to make this thing a nasty mother.

I hear ya !! I have had my car done in my head for three years now,and I could only imagin what its like being this close. I can't wait to see how it comes out !! I'm like you I always wanted a nasty BIG BLOCK car, and I think your going to have plenty of nasty!!!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Vegas69]

After many months of coming in and out of the garage and being a huge procrastinator,(I hate paint work) I decided the oil pan had to match the block and car. I liked it red at first, but it just doesn't match my theme. Nothing like sniffing paint first thing in the morning.

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The car is on the semi heading this way finally! Set at the transport company for almost a week. Frank hasn't emailed me the final photos due to there size.So I'll just tease everybody until the car gets here.:D It's not clean or final buffed at this point.
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[DOOM]

OH MAN!!!!!!!!!!!:wow: :cheers:

[7TSS]

That looks cool. Love the rear meats. :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

That thing is Badass for sure. Love it! :hail:

[skatinjay27]

damn!!! thats alot of tire!!!
whos gonna do the final buff?
you got marquez lights for it?

[Vegas69]

Final buff was done by prodigy before she left. I called Classic Chevy 5 speed today and he said you should be alright with the 550hp clutch since I'll never hook it up. He assumed I had 275mm. After he found out I had 345's he recommended the 700hp clutch.:D I am sure I'll never hook these up either. I like the stock tail lights. That little stuff can all be changed later if my taste changes. Those are the tail lights out of the car. They were in pretty nice shape since they had been replaced. I had to reuse something! Should have AAW wiring, Wilwood kit, and Ricks Tank within the next couple weeks. Frank:clap: I ordered everything I could think of from Classic Industries while they are having the 20% off sale and managed to spend enough to get free shipping and not tax! A stock resto would have been cheap!!!!

[Spiffav8]

Curtis....this car is going nowhere. Come on over when you get back.

I'm home! Give me a call when you know what time it's supposed to arrive and I'll be there!! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

You got a deal....I will need a hand getting it in the garage.:cheers:

[Spiffav8]

You got a deal....I will need a hand getting it in the garage.:cheers:

Hope your drive way isn't on a hill like mine. :lol:

[Vegas69]

Actually it is...:D Not much weight in the car though. Oh and no steering wheel.:_paranoid

[Spiffav8]

Wicked Todd...just wicked. I'll start posting some pictures tomorrow.:thumbsup: Frank and the gang did an awesome job!

Glad no one fell off the truck when we unloaded it. That would have sucked it Aj or Dave ended up with a broken leg! :_paranoid

[Vegas69]

Thanks buddy...the more I look at it the more wicked it gets. :cheers:

[Flash68]

Dude that thing is looking bad! Can't wait for more pics. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Check out my payback is on the ground thread for the delivery. Here are the photos from today after some elbow grease. :D
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[Vegas69]

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[GHOSTDANCER]

:hail: :hail: :hail: :thumbsup: :cheers:

[Vegas69]

Dash Insert....haven't seen this scheme yet
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[Flash68]

Effin Sweet!

[BLACKJACK]

THAT THANG IS SWEEEET:hail: :cheers: :lateral: :thumbsup:

[Bulldog68]

Can you say jealous? :hail:

[rallye455]

What size tires and wheels are they?

[awr68]

Looks awesome!! :thumbsup:

[mark smith]

the car turned out very sweeet

[BBC71Nova]

That looks awesome! Congrats.

[Lenie]

Cars looking great, love the black. What is the backspacing on your 19x12's and the width of your rear end flange face to flange face.
Thanks
Lenie

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys....ZE Boost brushed centers and the wheels had to be narrowed from 13 to 12". It was originally around 6.25 but probably closer to 5.25 now. Lenie you would have to call Frank at Prodigy on the rear and backspacing currently. They are pretty damn tight in there. I guarantee Frank will tell you to order your wheels and measure regardless since you can't be off by much. Specs on wheels and tires is 19x12 345/30/19 Michelin Pilot Sports 18x8.5 front 255/40/18 Pilot Sport(More than likely will be changed to 18x10 with a 275/35/18) I have bigger fish to fry now.

[vinz68]

The car looks awesome!:thumbsup:

[DOOM]

Anything new???:drool:

[Vegas69]

I have been burning the midnight oil. I have made some pretty good progress. I'll have an update this week. I recieved the wrong front brake kit and still waiting on a boat load of parts to show up. I have my second skin sound deadener showing up today or tomorrow. :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

DAYAM!! Just saw the pics of the car on the ground, LOVE the wheel tire combo and stance. :thumbsup: Man I love that steamroller look in the rear. Looks awesome :hail:

[Vegas69]

Thanks Ryan......I have been working 7 days a week at least 8 hours a day so I haven't done to bad for only having the car 2 weeks.

First thing I did was mount the battery in the trunk. It is made for a red top Optima. Mother F....er didn't fit of course. I had to flip over the top bracket and egg out the hole and switch hardware. Turned out nice though.:thumbsup:
My brakes showed up, unfortunately my subframe change screwed me on the front brakes and they sent brakes for a stock sub. Wilwood dropped the ball there. I do have the rear brakes all ready to go minus the brake lines from the hose to the calipers. Just waiting on the rear end bracket. I did have to enlarge the stud holes in the rotors quite a bit. There is a shoulder about an 1/8 inch off the flange. The center hole needed enlarged very little. They fit perfect now and I have the parking brake adjusted and the rotor to caliper clearance is within spec. They look gooooood withthe wheels on but I was to lazy to lift those heavy sucker on there for the photo.
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[Vegas69]

Next I ordered 40 sqft of second skin sound deadener. It wasn't to bad once I got the hang of it. Undecided on the firewall. Not real excited about using an insulator that could be very messy incase it decides it wan't to come loose. This should help substantially with road noise and exhaust resonance.
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[Vegas69]

I got my oil sender all set up for my gauges along with the temp sender in the manifold. I have to get a 90 degree elbow to make it work. The block is made for this elbow. I bet the factory does it the same way.

I got the master cylinder all mounted up for mock up of the brake lines. I made a bracket out of 1/8 inch aluminum and mounted my proportioning valve and ran the brake line all the way to the rear. What a pain in the ass! I bought the jegs 25 ft roll and had my crapsman flare tool break at 11:30 at night!!!! They replaced it :thumbsup:

I went ahead and mocked up my radiator and breather tank just to get an idea on my firewall set up.
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[Vegas69]

I have done a bunch of misc crap. Trimmed the glove box insert so it would fit. Does anything bolt on these cars??? :lol: Have one door panel that has already been on and ready to go. The clips weren't even fricking close. This door panel was ridiculous. I spent the better part of the night on it. The drivers side fits nice! Screws through the handle and carpet will hold it on since I am running a deluxe interior. I found out I have to change window regulators so they are setting in a box in the garage. I did put on the outside window trim and quarter window rubber, rear license plate bracket, rear lock cylinder, new dome light and bezel. Some other misc crap. It's been a lot of fun so far. :D

[markd]

Looks great! Frank and crew did a great job on the paint…I love black when it’s done right!

I have been trying to figure out what color to paint my engine compartment (Body color which is Tuxedo black or semi–gloss black or flat black). Looks like yours is semi gloss…I like it!

Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing the updates with us.

[68protouring454]

looks awesome man, if i may say something, what size core on the radiator? and what size fan? generally twin 11's barely cool a big hp bb, on vins car we a twin 13 inch fans and a be cool radiator and it does its job but it runs 190-200
cant wait to see more good luck:cheers:

[Mizfit]

car looks great!!!! keep up the good work:thumbsup:

[awr68]

Looking good!! I can't wait for those days!!

[Vegas69]

I appreciate it guys......I have my doubts on the radiator as well. I scored a good deal on it over a year ago from this guy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-69-CAMARO-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33602QQihZ008Q QitemZ180231456257QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW It's a two row and really is a pretty nice piece in person. He has 99.7 percent feedback and over 2000 sales on radiators. I don't believe everything I read. I will definitely let you know. I scored it for like 400 bucks with the fan.
I wouldn't go past semi gloss unless you spend a lot of prep time on the radiator support...etc If you need to touch it up...out comes the semi gloss can.

[skatinjay27]

looks great todd moving pretty fast! so what next weekend it will be all done and on the road lol.

[Vegas69]

Hell yes.....:D Waiting on three brake pieces and I can plumb the rest. Then I can feasably stab the engine. If I can talk Frank into sending me my damn wiring harness I'll be set. Better get a tranny coming as well. I also decided to remove the plastic off the front end. It wasn't exactly sealed and did a great job protecting the paint but thanks to Curtis I took it off. The clear coat went on about 60 days ago. Probably cured but not taking any damn chances! I'll just have to get some fluffy towels.

[Spiffav8]

Hell yes.....:D Waiting on three brake pieces and I can plumb the rest. Then I can feasably stab the engine. If I can talk Frank into sending me my damn wiring harness I'll be set. Better get a tranny coming as well. I also decided to remove the plastic off the front end. It wasn't exactly sealed and did a great job protecting the paint but thanks to Curtis I took it off. The clear coat went on about 60 days ago. Probably cured but not taking any damn chances! I'll just have to get some fluffy towels.


I got that info from Anthony (AWR68) so right or wrong he gets the credit...or blame, however you want to look at it. :D

[Vegas69]

But they are painted black and have v clamps which I didn't order. I am actually digging the black and considering whats called black velvet ceramic coating. In all actuality I'll probably just go with the same coating as the last set. I went ahead and rerouted my plug wires and tweaked everything to fit.
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[Vegas69]

I have made some good progress in the last week and a half. All my brake lines are bent and done. All I need is front brakes. I took my master cylinder/pedal bracket to the media blaster since it was a rusty old biatch. I won't bolt one rusty part back on the car. Once thats back the master goes back on and all brake lines are tight and the pedals go in.

I replaced the window regulators due to the deluxe panels. The windows roll so nice now. I also found out that new window felt/brackets from classic industries are junk. The door panels will not work with them. They are made incorrectly. I am glad I kept the originals.

I mocked up my DSE dash and drilled all the holes to make it fit nice and level.

I recieved my AAW harness this week and will start wiring soon

I also just ordered my TKO 600 today and will order all the other goodies tonight or tomorrow.
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[Spiffav8]

Looking good bud! :thumbsup:

I get back to Vegas just after the first and will swing by for a look.

[69x22]

Car looks awesome, Ive been following the build for a while. Frank does some nice work. What are you planning on using to engage the emergency brake?

[ProdigyCustoms]

I appreciate it guys......I have my doubts on the radiator as well. I scored a good deal on it over a year ago from this guy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/67-69-CAMARO-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33602QQihZ008Q QitemZ180231456257QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW It's a two row and really is a pretty nice piece in person. He has 99.7 percent feedback and over 2000 sales on radiators. I don't believe everything I read. I will definitely let you know. I scored it for like 400 bucks with the fan.
I wouldn't go past semi gloss unless you spend a lot of prep time on the radiator support...etc If you need to touch it up...out comes the semi gloss can.

Wow Todd, lot's of progress. Looking awesome, don't those repro deluxe door panels suck the most!

I have not been checking this thread very close so I missed this. I think you may as well change the radiator now before you wet it up. I have used those and Jake is correct, your radiator does not stand a chance, especially in Vegas. I stopped selling them.

I am not trying to sell you **** you don't need, I got plenty of your money already. I have something new for you we are building with twin 13" fans pulling 3400CFM accross the entire core. That fan WILL NOT pull 3000CFM. That place is infamous for over stating the fan volume. You could try it, but once you get it wet and dirty it is a used radiator that did not work and worth less.

This is what you need. Double pass design (good for 10 to 20 degrees additional cooling), dual 13" fans, full core coverage, much better. $850 which is more then double what you paid, but $300 less the comparable units!

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u212/ProdigyCustoms/67-69camaroLS1FS.jpg

[whytry]

Awesome looking car. Been watching the progress... Getting closer!!!

[Denvervet]

Everything is looking sweet. BTW I really like the flat of the undercarriage paint.....makes the suspension stand out. What type of coating did Frank use on that? Looks like he did the inside floors, etc with the same thing. I am getting ready to do my undercarriage and been unsure what I wanted to use.

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys....pretty sure it's 3M body shutz. Frank, since you have enough of my money..go ahead and send me one and I'll pay you with an I O U. :D

[ProdigyCustoms]

Your credit is good with me. I sold out of the 3 I had in stock, I have 3 more ready in a week or so.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Denver, that is Wurth SKS. Great product but you need one of their guns and that makes it cost prohibitive.

[Vegas69]

Your credit is good with me. I sold out of the 3 I had in stock, I have 3 more ready in a week or so.

I'll be in touch soon. Hold off until then.

[Vegas69]

Well boys I have been kickin some ass on my hot rod. Work is suffering pretty bad right now....I need to get here on the road. haha I just can't get the bitch off my mind! Anyway, plenty of fun and adversity. I love it. Who's hiring at 150 bucks an hour??

First..pedal set up. Took a stock brake clutch set up and had my stock brackt sand blasted, epoxy primed and I painted it. Then set it up for the new pedals. I tried the stock accel setup but realized it wouldn't work for multiple reasons. I ended up using a lokar setup and modifying the brand new pedal setup for my taste.:D It was more work than it looks like. Bolt in my ass.


Ya right
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So I mocked it up and figured out the pedal height was way off anyway. I then drilled soe holes and did a little cutting and ended up with this. Nice billet black anodize with my sparco pedal that are killer. The brake pedal is just a hair off in reality. The pedals are not where they will end up.

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[Vegas69]

Next I routed my battery cables, soldered the ends, blah blah blah. Old lady helped me with the bulkhead and cross threaded the nut. Good lesson for her. With my seat brackets this is the best way. Negative cable will go through a grommet and ground to the unused bolt at the top of the bellhousing. I was really pissed about the trunk to passenger compartment insulator fit until I had cut on it multiple times and realized my car was mini tubbed. drrrrrrr
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[Vegas69]

Pleasant suprise...me and the UPS guy are getting a little to tight. I think the neighbors are talking. My Ricks Tank showed up with the notched corners. What a nice piece. Thanks for the great price and quick turn around Mr. Serafine.
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[Vegas69]

Frank....I love you like the brother in law I never wanted.:rofl: Anyway....after I figured out you put drop bushings in my car I shot the **** with everyone about it and they all said I was fuct. I measured and you were right. At least I hope so.:D I cut all the auto nut grommets off.

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[Vegas69]

Now for the real fun. Time to mock up the bellhousing, flywheel, starter, etc. Now I remember why I quit working on cars for a living. If it can go wrong it will for me. Luckily I am not getting paid so I enjoy it.

So I take the engine off the stand..pretty exciting. First thing is the pilot bearing. I pushed it in with my thumb. That's not going to work. Slightly oversize or whatever is in order tomorrow. Strike one.

Next I mocked up the starter. .006 is not enought clearance between my starter and flywheel. GM mini starter and flywheel. Thank SCAT. Strike 2
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The SFI bellhousing doesnt clear my oil pressure sensor....different fitting arrangement will fix it.....strike three

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[Vegas69]

The bellhousing is bolted on and it's time to measure the run out. Of course it's out of spec:unibrow: What would be the fun of something bolting on and not needing an hour or two of tweeking. Alcoholics anonymous where are you. :lol: Strike four...wait thats to many. The adjustable ball stud is in route. haha

Houston we have a problem
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[waynieZ]

After Two strikes I would be tlking to myself in foul languages. Keep fighting !
How do you get more clearance on the starter ,shim it down from the block??
After I PMed you I decided to go with the Air Bar with the coil overs, thanks for the reply. Its good you can figure these little problems out , when I put mine back together I can check this thread for pointers. Keep the pictures comming.
Wayne

[skatinjay27]

is that your bike jack supportin that engine lol.
damn todd ur moving on that baby...
when your ready to wiggle that pig block in give me a call or better yet when the cars ready to roll make SURE you call me!!!

[Vegas69]

I try and post as much info as possible to help others figure out issues with there builds. I know I have used the search function and saved myself some headaches. Wayne, there are two measurments on the starter. The first is flywheel to pinion nose clearance. You need to take the nose off the starter and place a shim and new thicker gasket to get it within spec. You also have a starter pinion tooth to flywheel tooth clearance which you check with a pin style feeler gauge. Mine is within spec. I hope not to mess with shims after it's assembled. I used the bike jack to help steady the engine while I was turning it over for the run out readings. I may just be giving you a call AJ. The engine will be going in no later than next weekend.

I did get the pilot bearing issue solved today. I used a center punch and made three indentations every approx 1/8 inch. It actually raises the metal slightly around the indentation. I then coated the inside of the crank snout with red loctite. The pilot bearing went in with plenty of resistance and the loctite was better safe than sorry. I remeasured the bellhousing and found the lowest and highest spot. It is .010 out of spec. I have .014 offset dowels on the way to get my quick time scattershield centered. Part of the issue is that my engine was line bored even though it was a brank new GM block. The offset dowels should get it where it needs to be. Jim and Todd over at Classic Chevy 5 speed are great guys. Highly recommend them.:thumbsup: I still need to get my crossmember modified to a two piece design. It will not go in due to the lower body mounts.

[skatinjay27]

just drive down to tylers shop... im sure he has them in stock and his are some pretty trick looking crossmembers...

[waynieZ]

Thank you
Wayne

[Vegas69]

Already talked to Tyler. His are made for the T56. I am running a tko600. I thought about using his ends but they are out of stock. Probably going to have Tyler mod my current one of fabricate me a new one.:thumbsup:

[Denvervet]

How much lower are your body mounts than stock requiring you to modify your Xmember? I will be doing the same drill and trying to anticipate obstacles. I am using GW solid mounts but considering shaving one of mine down due to my frame being about 3/8 " off ( vertically) on one side.

[Vegas69]

I have the half height DSE mounts. I don't know exactly how far it drops it. Would have to measure a stock mount. You could also call DSE. I bet it's around 3/8 to 1/2 inch.

[awr68]

Todd it's looking killer! :thumbsup:

The lower DSE mounts are .5" lower than stock and yes they add to the fun! I had to raise the tranny tunnel .75" to clear my T56. I also noticed that a one piece trans x-member doesn't work with them either...good thing I have one of Tyler's 3-piece x-members!

I wouldn't use the lower body mounts again as it's not worth the issues they cause. I had to cut a perfectly good trans tunnel to fit the T56...not what I had in mind when I was shopping for a rust free car. Kyle did offer to swap them out for the full height but I already had the DSE SFC's installed and figured I should just cut the floor...live and learn! :)

[FaBrycation]

looking good! hopefully i'll get to see it sometime.

[Vegas69]

Anthony...I am hoping to not feel that pain.:_paranoid Appreciate the kind words sick 4dr. Well me and Curtis spent a **** load of time tonight getting the bellhousing in alignment. It was setting right at .015 with the stock dowels. The best we could do with the offset dowels was .006. We found that about a inch of the bellhousing was rough enough to really sway our readings. The spec is .005 so we figure it's closer than most and basically it amounts to .0005 out of spec due to the circumfrance. So we spent 2 hours screwing with the dowels and runout and 15 minutes installing the engine. :D Gotta love it. Here she is boys. Fits nice.
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[Spiffav8]

That bad boy went in Super Smooth! Hope the rest of the car goes that easy. :_paranoid

[Efi69Cam]

Anthony...I am hoping to not feel that pain.:_paranoid Appreciate the kind words sick 4dr. Well me and Curtis spent a **** load of time tonight getting the bellhousing in alignment. It was setting right at .015 with the stock dowels. The best we could do with the offset dowels was .006. We found that about a inch of the bellhousing was rough enough to really sway our readings. The spec is .005 so we figure it's closer than most and basically it amounts to .0005 out of spec due to the circumfrance. So we spent 2 hours screwing with the dowels and runout and 15 minutes installing the engine. :D Gotta love it. Here she is boys. Fits nice.
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Looks sweet. Thanks for the motivation.

Whose front accessory system is that? It does not look quite like the vintage air.

[skatinjay27]

sweet!!! i bet that feels like a BIG mile marker getting that engine in there!
that big block looks at home in there.

[DOOM]

Hey Todd
Thanx again for letting me come over and see the Camaro:thumbsup: I see the engine is in! Not much longer, I hope before its ready to fire!!!!! Thanx again!
Mario

[Vegas69]

Tranny is in...what a mother ***** ****** **** :D I am so wore out I don't fee like going into detail. Later
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[Spiffav8]

At least it's in...and fits. :thumbsup:

[monza]

Just went from the first post until now......
your car is really Badass! Can't wait to see it done and your close~NICE!

[Vegas69]

Appreciate it...it has a March ultra drive system on it. I have a new bracket being made as we speak that will look similar to the paper mock up on the motor.
After spending a couple hours centering the bellhousing, I figured it would slide right in. Ya right. We could get it within about a half an inch and it would stop. Figured it had to be clutch alignment problem so I took it back apart and got it as close as humaly possible with the same outcome. I got to thinking about when I mocked up the bellhousing on the tranny on the table. It was a very snug fit. In fact it took a little effort to get it on there. We figured out it was the hub on the tranny not wanting to seat in the bellhousing. Since I only had a **** hair for the clutch to be off, I used a tie strap and cranked the clutch fork all the way back to let the pressure off the clutch then it would move with the tranny. Then we were able to get it in all but 3/16 to 1/4. We knew at that point the clutch was engaged and so was the pilot bearing mostly. So I sucked it in slowly with the bolts which is usually the wrong idea but I had no choice. A little resistance then it slid right in. Everthing feel right and turns freely. The photos are of it jacked up until the vent almost touches the floor. Looks damn close to stock crossmember height. I am going to try and have my current crossmember modified so it bolts together on both side just on the outside of the tranny mount. Probably build some adjustment in it so I can get the vent as close to the tunnel as possible and adjust my pinion angle from there. Distributor clearance is find etc. :thumbsup:

[NvrDun71]

Todd, clean out those PM's brotha...

[Vegas69]

The complete fuel system is done except for the gas cap. The stocker won't fit. I used 1/2 aluminun moroso line from the G Bar bracket to the fuel regulator on the front frame. The rest is AN and black pro flo 350. I also made a bracket for the fuel pump with rubber insulators up against the tank. It is wired from the trunk and the wires run on top of the tank.
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[Vegas69]

I have my remote oil filter and hose done. I used heat wrap where they are close to the headers and snaked them between the frame and oil pan through the engine mount. She ready to prime. Pretty slick and looks damn good too.
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[Vegas69]

Power steering is almost done. I need to call DSE in the morning. I can't get a fitting on the pressure side of the rack. Probably going to need a 45 right out of the rack to get a fitting to screw on. Anyway, breather system is complete. Power steering resorvoir and all the other lines are done.
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[waynieZ]

Looks good I'm glad I stayed up late , got to see new update.
Wayne

[Vegas69]

I have alot of time in wiring. Most of the front end is wired just waiting on my Vintage air kit and my dual fan setup so I don't have to back track. Everything from the fuse block back is done. I am also waiting on the AC so I can cut my hole for the AC controller. I want to wire the AC/Heat and gauges before the column goes back in. Really could turn the key in a little of no time. I want to get it to the point I can back it out of the garage before the key turns. Here is a glimpse at wiring.
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[waynieZ]

I can't wait to see it run !

[Vegas69]

I have Tyler at ATS making me a crossmember. As soon as he is done I can order my drive shaft and cut my shifter hole.
Headers are out at the coater and should be done tomorrow. Went with the same coating as before just due to the heat disipation. I liked the black when I had it mocked up but want to cut down on heat as much as possible. Once the headers are in..I can start stacking in my Z bar, column, master cylinder..etc.
Dual fan setup should be on it's way.
Vintage air was ordered from Frank last week. Hope to see it no later than the beginning of next week.
Should have front brakes showing up anyday now as well.

[waynieZ]

You must be nipping at the bit to get it running.
Wayne

[Spiffav8]

Todd your making awesome progress! I might have to stop in and have a look.

[Vegas69]

Come on over anytime...and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Can't wait to fire it up and piss off the neighbors.:D

[Rybar]

Looks awesome Todd, nice progress!

[skatinjay27]

man todd your jamming on that car esp. cause your doing most of it alone too.
i need to come by a see that car now since it sporting LOTS more parts than the last time i saw it!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Efi69Cam]

[QUOTE=Vegas69;151207]Power steering is almost done. I need to call DSE in the morning. I can't get a fitting on the pressure side of the rack. Probably going to need a 45 right out of the rack to get a fitting to screw on. Anyway, breather system is complete. Power steering resorvoir and all the other lines are done.

Are you using small or big block frame stands? Dan @ Lemon's told me he prefers the fit with the small block mounts.

[Vegas69]

AJ...come on over buddy. I have a freshly coated set of headers I just picked up today. EFI I have the small block 307 stands. I am on Dan's Christmas list this year. :D It has nothing to do with the rack and high pressure fitting. I am going to try and loosen the rack up so I can move it just enough hoping that once the fitting is threaded it will clear the frame fine.

[waynieZ]

Are the new headers Lemon's? Lets see!
Wayne

[Vegas69]

What the hell. The primaries are bigger than most cars tailpipes.

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[waynieZ]

They look awesome I like the conectors for the collectors I wish I would have seen them when I got my Hookers
Wayne

[Efi69Cam]

AJ...come on over buddy. I have a freshly coated set of headers I just picked up today. EFI I have the small block 307 stands. I am on Dan's Christmas list this year. :D It has nothing to do with the rack and high pressure fitting. I am going to try and loosen the rack up so I can move it just enough hoping that once the fitting is threaded it will clear the frame fine.

I was curious about the frame stands because I have a set of the DSE subframe lemons being build right now.
There seems to be alot of clearance between your radiator and water pump, room for big a$$ electric fan motors, something I will be needing as well.

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys....there really isn't that much room once you get a shroud on it. Definitely just enough room for a dual fan setup.
I ended up having to take the sway bar out and unbolting the rack to get the high pressure fitting on. My only bitch so far with the DSE sub. A little more fitting clearance would be good. But power steering is done now.
Headers are in but need to rearrange some starter wiring. GM really could have designed the starter better. I'll tweak it and it will be just fine. They look good! I think I liked the black a little better but I really need all the heat disipation I can get.
As soon as I get my AC, cross member, and fan situation squared away it's time to set fire to this beast.

[skatinjay27]

Thanks guys....there really isn't that much room once you get a shroud on it. Definitely just enough room for a dual fan setup.
I ended up having to take the sway bar out and unbolting the rack to get the high pressure fitting on. My only bitch so far with the DSE sub. A little more fitting clearance would be good. But power steering is done now.
Headers are in but need to rearrange some starter wiring. GM really could have designed the starter better. I'll tweak it and it will be just fine. They look good! I think I liked the black a little better but I really need all the heat disipation I can get.
As soon as I get my AC, cross member, and fan situation squared away it's time to set fire to this beast.yea but they sure do look good all shinny! so you gonna stick with the v-band clamps then.. imo thier a better choice thier quick leak-free and better ground clearance that a 3 bolt...

[Spiffav8]

Wicked!

What's on your list of things to do next week? Looking for an excuse to drive across town. :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

I actually didn't order the v clamp option but they came with them. I was trying to save a bone or two. Glad he messed up and sent them with them however. It will make it so much cleaner.
May be slow this week. I have some wiring I can button up, but for the most part I am waiting on the parts mentioned. The Vintage Air box keeps me from doing to much under the dash, completing my front wiring, and mounting my dash insert. Not having the crossmember keeps me from cutting the shifter hole, setting up my Z bar, ordering my driveshaft,etc. Maybe I'll just put in a swamp cooler this week.:unibrow:

[Spiffav8]

I actually didn't order the v clamp option but they came with them. I was trying to save a bone or two. Glad he messed up and sent them with them however. It will make it so much cleaner.
May be slow this week. I have some wiring I can button up, but for the most part I am waiting on the parts mentioned. The Vintage Air box keeps me from doing to much under the dash, completing my front wiring, and mounting my dash insert. Not having the crossmember keeps me from cutting the shifter hole, setting up my Z bar, ordering my driveshaft,etc. Maybe I'll just put in a swamp cooler this week.:unibrow:

I hope that swamp cooler is for the garage. Starting to get warm here.

[Vegas69]

Well I have run into a couple problems that will slow me down.

The drivetrain angle is approx 4.5 degrees measuring off the tail shaft, and that is with it uncomfortably close to the tunnel. I am going to order the driveshaft and measure off the U joint caps like Jim over at Classic Chevy 5 speed said I must do. Looks like the tunnel will need cut or I'll have to put stock height bushings in the car. I would have to cut the subframe connector welds to put stock height bushing in it anyway. At this point I'll probably cut the tunnel due to already cutting all my custom lines. I did ask for stock height bushings when Prodigy built my roller, so not real excited about all the trouble it's caused me so far. More than likely Payback is going to have to make a trip down to ATS for the tunnel fabrication. May just get it running and have him do the tunnel and exhaust all at once.

Had to cut the hole for my AC in my DSE dash and the paint chipped when I pulled off the tape. Make sure you cut all your holes before you paint it. :yes:
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[Lenie]

Todd, As with myself, it seems like it's always something. Keep plugging away, that's a beautiful car you have there.:thumbsup:
Good Luck
Lenie

[skatinjay27]

thats weird that it chipped... what did you use to cut it??? from the pic it looks like it would be better to repaint it anyways cause the paint line from the black to the silver doesent look too straight...
i can see it now, when you pulled that tape off and took some paint with you, you must have been pissed.
also sorry to hear about the tunnel... those body drops have been giving you a good amount of trouble...

[Vegas69]

It's 1/8 inch steel so I had to use a cut off wheel and a die grinder. Looks like it will be headed back to Prodigy for a redo. I am going to go ahead and order the driveshaft and get exact measurments. It would be ideal to get the driveline to 3 degrees. Right now I can get it to 4.5-5 which may work as long as the driveshaft is at 1-1.5 degrees. You take your drivetrain and pinion angle and subtract your drive shaft angle. If I have to cut the tunnel I will. In the end I am sure the aggravation will be worth it. Just wasn't expecting it.:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Been super busy with work and vacation but I managed to get out in the garage tonight and made some major progress.

At this point I wouldn't recommend DSE half drop body bushings to my worst enemy. That 1/2" is desperately needed in the tunnel with a TKO 600 and a slammed chassis. It's also needed for the air cleaner.

One step back
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After alot of research I found out that I had 1969 307 frame stands and 1967-1968 small block engine mounts. They changed the motor mounts in 1969 for the low performance small blocks. I couldn't have had a taller set up. I do have to thank Dan Lemons for that one. I am going to email him so he can update his records. I figured out that going to 1969 HI Po 302/350 mounts gained me 3/8 of an inch. They used them to gain hood clearance for the cowl induction option. On the left you will see my new set up that gains me 3/8 which equals about .2-.3 in driveline angle but it made just enough difference. The aircleaner clearance is a bonus.
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My new driveshaft showed up today from Empire Driveline and Classic Chevy. What a nice piece!!!:unibrow: Will insall and measure working angles on my =driveshaft tomorrow hopefully. If that all checks out Tyler at ATS will be getting a call to fab my crossmember finally!
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With the tranny not touching the tunnel and the vent as close as possible with no compression the intake is at .1 degree and the driveline angle is 4.1 down. I found that the valve cover crease is equal to the tail shaft angle. The car does pitch down in the front slightly stance wise so I will more than likely gain a little and the car the intake will probably end up perfect along with the drivettrain angle. I am probably going to build some blocks to put the weight on the front wheels to get it at true ride height and compress the rear end fully to do my final drivetrain/driveshaft angles. Things look pretty good now...I can probably tweek the cross member with shims just enough to make it work and be in spec with no vibrations or unwanted noises. Time will tell.

[Vegas69]

To achieve the measurments I leveled the car using the rockers.

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[awr68]

Sorry to hear about your troubles! I too have the .5" lower body mounts and redid the tunnel top on a rust free floor...not what I had planned but the T56 had to fit and I had already welded the SFC's in at that height. Kyle offered to swap out my mounts for stock height but I decided I would rather do the tunnel than revisit the SFC's. In hind sight I probably should have swapped to stock height mounts to make many other things work easier...live and learn!!

Good to see you are back to making progress!! :cheers:

[waynieZ]

I'm glad its working out for you I would have hated to see you cut the tunnel being so close to start up.
Wayne

[waynieZ]

Anything new ?
Wayne

[Vegas69]

The rear end is all set up as good as I can get the driveline angles with what I have to work with. Tyler has my crossmember and is modifying it into a three piece design similar to the T56 kit he sells. I have my dual fans wired up. Really waiting on some parts right now. Once I have my AC, DSE dash back from repaint,crossmember, steering wheel adapter,front brakes, it won't be long before that key turns.

[skatinjay27]

geez still dont haev the front brakes??? what taking so long?
dual fans? didnt the setup you got from ebay only have 1 fan,did you get the rad./fans that franks was talking about?

[Vegas69]

I ended up getting a dual spal set up from the radiator shop I bought it from. Should flow 3400 cfm. The wilwoods are a sore subject with me right now. 6 months since I paid for them and no front brakes. I havent' needed them but I will very very soon. Hope they show up this week.

[Spiffav8]

Good thing you installed AC in your garage, it's 109 today. OH WAIT...that's right you installed a heater thinking the car would have arrived sooner. WOW! That sucks........lol

[Vegas69]

I'd rather sweat my ass of than freeze:cheers: We have throttle, carbuerator, and the grommet for the wires through the firewall done this morning. Lookin good boys...stop on by anytime.

[skatinjay27]

Good thing you installed AC in your garage, it's 109 today. OH WAIT...that's right you installed a heater thinking the car would have arrived sooner. WOW! That sucks........lol
that what im doing today lol. putting up a swamper in the garage...:yes:
ive been wanting to come by but i work evenings:(

[Spiffav8]

I'm out of town most of July. Barely got time to swap out the laundry on this last rotation home. I'll be back some time after the 10th...ugh. I'll grab Aj and swing by one weekend when things slow down on this end.

Keep at it! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Update:

After all the talk of one fan not doing the job, I called the radiator manufacturer and they make a dual spal setup for my radiator. It's all wired with an individual relay per fan. I still need to tidy up the wiring a little in the photo.
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I got the throttle completely set up and adjusted along with the carb mounted. The fuel system is turn key minus the gas cap and gas:D
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[Vegas69]

Prodigy Customs repainted my dash insert and got it back super quick. I was pleasantly suprised when the Fed ex guy showed up on Saturday. It' looks great. :thumbsup: All the gauges are completely wired and ready to plug and play.
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This is a pretty pleasant site to come home to everyday. I have people stopping by left and right. Met a really cool guys tonight that lives a few blocks away that is a toy nut and restoring a 69 Firebird right now.
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[waynieZ]

Sweet, your getting closer to firing it up. Its coming together nice.
Wayne

[Steve1968LS2]

Very nice!

Love the project so far. The only thing I'm not "feeling" is the black mesh covering your radiator hose. And it's not so much the covering as it is how it looks unfinished and rough on the ends.

Is that how you plan on running it or is that just for now?