Project "Payback"

[Flash68]

Lucky you were only doing 50 in that 35..... :D

[Spiffav8]

That looks like about $150.00....that sucks. :lol:

If you get one from LVMPD let me know right away so I can try and work some magic for you. Sorry but Henderson is beyond the range of my voodoo.

:captain:

[Vegas69]

I got one of those in December too.:rofl: The radar detector may have to come to fruition.

[tones2SS]

That sucks.
I bet it's tough to keep off it in that mean, black machine!!!:_paranoid

[awr68]

Leave me alone Curtis, Anthony said to be nice so I am jerk.


Sorry, that was not directed to you, 68 blackbeauty was really pushing it and I guess I should have been more specific. Again sorry, you are an asset to this site and I agree with what you had to say to him! :cheers:

[Lenie]

For you guys running the DSE sub. Do yourself a favor and have them weld on the Z bar bracket. The inner fender makes this a real pain in the you know what. It's tapped and done right but......it was a last minute change. The clutch rod etc. is on the top of the list. She is a dirty pig right now and needs some touch up. Somehow the inner fender got all scratched to **** on the way here. Of course no steering was probably the cause.
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The boys over at ATS have been treating me right. Here is the solution to my crossmember issues. They modified it with one of their T56 crossmember ends and moved the center bracket slightly. Of course it still needs painted. ATS is top notch. Highly recommend them.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0860.jpg

I added fuel tonight to prime the fuel system and check for leaks. I had 4 leaks. Two at the carb bowls and the fitting on both sides of the pump. I used a pipe dope and the fuel ate right through it. Lucky me!! I had to disasemble all the fittings with the dope and replace it with tape. It's all fixed now but what a mother ######. The carb leaks were caused by a frankly crappy design. They used two gaskets with my high dollar fuel rail. I used the gaskets and tape and it's not leaking anytime soon.
Got a question for you, pm sent.

[monza]

I got one of those in December too.:rofl: The radar detector may have to come to fruition.

Get the V1 it is truly amazing! Then... a laser jammer.

[Flash68]

Get the V1 it is truly amazing! Then... a laser jammer.

Agreed. Love my V1. Have it hardwired. Gotta get that as a minimum. Laser jammer is nice, however illegal in Calif. :willy:

[Vegas69]

Ya....I think you guys are right. That or I need some quiet mufflers. :lol: Here is my chassis dyno numbers for the thread.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/th_Dynoday3-09007.jpg (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/?action=view&current=Dynoday3-09007.flv)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Dynosheetstd.jpg

[Spiffav8]

The car sounds perfect! :thumbsup:

[68/Camaro]

Todd,
Your Car Sounds Wicked!!:drool:

[Vegas69]

It did sound wicked:rofl:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/016.jpg
I just wanted to play with my new camera.

Lately I noticed a little coolant on the front of the engine. Never enough to leave anthing on the ground. I traced it to the water pump weep hole. 2000 miles on my Edelbrock Victor Jr. water pump and it's starting to drip here and there. They won't warranty it since it's over a year. So I pressure checked the system in an attemp to make it leak and found a nice little surprise. The front drivers side water port on the intake also had an external leak at 12psi. Should have it back together this weekend. :thumbsup: I love this stuff anyway.

[DOOM]

:faint:

[Flash68]

Todd, you need to start building hot rods out of your garage.

Git er dun.

[Vegas69]

Actually....I'm hoping to find a property on at least .5 acre in the next 2 years and build a real garage with a lift. I'll probably start doing some work on hot rods and pro touring cars for fun and a little extra denero for my toys. Right now I just don't have the space or neighborhood for the work.

[Flash68]

Actually....I'm hoping to find a property on at least .5 acre in the next 2 years and build a real garage with a lift. I'll probably start doing some work on hot rods and pro touring cars for fun and a little extra denero for my toys. Right now I just don't have the space or neighborhood for the work.

That sounds like a sweet plan!

[tones2SS]

Actually....I'm hoping to find a property on at least .5 acre in the next 2 years and build a real garage with a lift. I'll probably start doing some work on hot rods and pro touring cars for fun and a little extra denero for my toys. Right now I just don't have the space or neighborhood for the work.

That sounds awesome.
You may even have some work from the people from Lateral-g.net!!
GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup::lateral:

[waynieZ]

That sounds good Todd. When I get my car on the trailer I'll bring my car and part to your house . The second 69 should be a breeze for you . Even easier its a small block lol .

[Vegas69]

The second would be much easier. Bring it on down Wayne.

I'll be over at Red Rock Harley Davidson with the car tomorrow from 10-3. They are having a car/bike show. Any locals feel free to stop by and say hey and give me a vote. They are also having some cash awards for a few categories and it's public choice which is cool. Spent a few hours detailing so it should look decent. More info:http://www.redrockharley.com/

[waynieZ]

Hi Todd How's the car coming? . I wanted to ask you, is that fuel pump setup noisy or does it vibrate ? It looks sweet but I hate a noisy pump. I might be using something like yours.
Wayne

[Vegas69]

I can't hear it over the exhaust.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I can't hear it over the exhaust.

In the wake of the every increasing LS motor tsunami, its refreshing to hear some big block humor, intentional or not! :D

[Vegas69]

Ya...and I think my car is quiet. :rofl:

I got the car back together last Wednesday in preparation for a car show at the local Harley Davidson dealer. I used my coolant system pressure tester after I installed the water pump and intake. Those two leaks were fixed but the gauge still dropped about a half pound in 2 minutes. I ended up needing to move a hose clamp and tighten another a hair and it held 16 lbs no problem. So the intake and water pump both definitely had a leak after inspection after removal. That's all fixed now.

Got up early Saturday and cruised over to the show. I actually entered multiple categories and had a great time. I must of had 7-8 friends show up to keep me company and the car was a huge hit with a nice crowd most of the time. It was a public vote show. Unfortunately the voting slips were inside the dealer and nobody I talked to around my car seemed to know anything about voting. I thought I had it in the bag. Afterall my friends all voted for me and I had a crowd all day. Boy was I wrong. I got beat by a 68 Pro Street Camaro!:D All I can figure out is that all the old farts that entered the show voted for that car or Pro Street is still king. :rofl: That will be the last time I enter a car show. I was thinking on the way over there, I would really just like to keep driving. That is the best part of this car anyway. It looks hot but it drives outstanding.

I've been lucky enough to get the car out the last four days in a row and log a few hundred miles. I've been playing with shock adjustments and brake bias. I have all the rear brake in it and added a little more firmness out back. It's just the best car I've ever driven. It's a blast. I'm entering my first Autoross Sunday.

I did attract the hot chicks at the show. The local gun store had models. I was so dumbfounded when they all jumped in my car I didn't even get a shot. I did drag the best looking one over for a photo later. You can kind of see the Pro Street car by the right side of my hood in the last shot.
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[Flash68]

Pro Street rules! :lol:

Hopefully we can see some vid of the auto-x.

[Spiffav8]

Pro Street rules! :lol:

Hopefully we can see some vid of the auto-x.

I'd rather see the vid of the three hot chicks in Todds car...:lol:



So Todd...did you win the contest or what?

[Flash68]

I'd rather see the vid of the three hot chicks in Todds car...:lol:



absof*ckinglutely! :D

[tones2SS]

I'd rather see the vid of the three hot chicks in Todds car...:lol:



So Todd...did you win the contest or what?

Yeah, Todd.
Hook us up!!:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I'd rather see the vid of the three hot chicks in Todds car...:lol:



So Todd...did you win the contest or what?

Nope...I got beat out by that Pro Street Orange 68 Camaro with the 445 slicks and the blower through the hood. Instead of an SS emblem or RS emblem, it has a Pro Street emblem. LOL I had a good time, I just won't be sticking around for the end of car shows from now on.

[Spiffav8]

Nope...I got beat out by that Pro Street Orange 68 Camaro with the 445 slicks and the blower through the hood. Instead of an SS emblem or RS emblem, it has a Pro Street emblem. LOL I had a good time, I just won't be sticking around for the end of car shows from now on.

Figures that the one car I was the most critical of wins. In no way shape or form was that car cool other than it was a Camaro. The color sucked, the interior sucked and the stance was ridiculous. I swear it looked like someone puked in it....maybe there is a huge Pro Street movement that I don't know about....or understand.

[MWCC]

What probably happend to you Todd is normal. A lot of shows are very political. You need to be in with the right people to get the votes. Peoples choice or not, a lot of shows are who you know. Maybe the wrong crowd was there.

I would have voted for ya if I was there!! That car is SWEEEET!!:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Appreciate it guys....the public for the most part wasn't voting. I think you are exactly right Nick. The car show crowd dictated the outcome. We all know the average cars show guy is in his 50's or 60's and set in his ways. I did have a couple say they were voting for me. I would never vote for a pro street car so there you go. I was the only pro touring car on the lot. I bet my ride home was the best. LOL

[awr68]

Just keep driving it....you know it kicks ass!! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Just keep driving it....you know it kicks ass!! :thumbsup:

Yeah dude, you don't need the validation that its bad ass. :D

[Vegas69]

Prepping the car for the autocross Sunday. I decided to clean both fuel filters since the car has a decent amount of miles. I also decided to figure out exactly how much fuel I have with the gauge on Empty. Ricks tanks show empty with 5 gallons in reserve I figured out tonight. I pumped all the gas out into a can with the fuel pump to simulate running out of gas. That ought to get me atleast 25 miles. :D Nice to know on a road trip.To my surprise the fuel filters were spotless. I must of done a good job of cleaning out everything originally. I'll pump the tires up to 40psi and I'm ready to go Sunday. http://www.myautoevents.com/pls/mae/frmEventDetail.Show?psevent_id=10025

[fleetus macmullitz]

Todd, you seem prepared to take on any pro-street car that dares enter this contest, huh?

:D

[Vegas69]

HA HA :cheers:

[Flash68]

Video or it didn't happen....

[tones2SS]

Appreciate it guys....the public for the most part wasn't voting. I think you are exactly right Nick. The car show crowd dictated the outcome. We all know the average cars show guy is in his 50's or 60's and set in his ways. I did have a couple say they were voting for me. I would never vote for a pro street car so there you go. I was the only pro touring car on the lot. I bet my ride home was the best. LOL

You are exactly right Todd.:thumbsup:
I would have voted for Payback. I bet you did have the best/most comfortable ride home too!!!:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Video or it didn't happen....

Not sure about this event.....maybe after some practice.

[68protouring454]

fyi, i would inflate or deflate tires to 34-36 for auto x,

[fleetus macmullitz]

I hear it helps if you're angry, or at least look angry.

:D

[skatinjay27]

are you going alone?
call me i video it for you (i wont post it unless you want.)LOL

[Vegas69]

fyi, i would inflate or deflate tires to 34-36 for auto x,

Thanks for the heads up Jake. I run 35 all the time anyway.

[6D9]

Todd....have you get your car to the strip yet??

[Vegas69]

I went to the autocross Sunday. I am having a set of racing wheels made right now and will probably get out to the drag strip soon. I have shattered my big and skinny dreams with my Forgeline purchase. I am going to go with a wheel and tire I can safely run autocross, road course, and drag strip.

[Flash68]

I went to the autocross Sunday. I am having a set of racing wheels made right now and will probably get out to the drag strip soon. I have shattered my big and skinny dreams with my Forgeline purchase. I am going to go with a wheel and tire I can safely run autocross, road course, and drag strip.

Damn, now you're gettin Forgelines? Which ones? You sellin the Boosts then?

It never ends...

[Vegas69]

Boosts aren't going anywhere. They are still my favorite for my car. Just want a spare set of lighter weight 18's with a set of R compounds since I intend to race the car alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D And you are 100% right, it never ends dude. Your journey has just begun.

[Flash68]

Boosts aren't going anywhere. They are still my favorite for my car. Just want a spare set of lighter weight 18's with a set of R compounds since I intend to race the car alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D And you are 100% right, it never ends dude. Your journey has just begun.

Yeah good. Those Boosts are money on 1st gens. I kinda regret changing my mind and not getting them. You done good.

18s and R compounds sounds yummy. You thinkin R888s?

[Vegas69]

I really want the Hoosier A6's for autocross but I do intend to run the optima challenge and drag strip for fun and don't and can't afford to buy that many compounds. R888 should work for everything fairly well.

[6D9]

I went to the autocross Sunday. I am having a set of racing wheels made right now and will probably get out to the drag strip soon. I have shattered my big and skinny dreams with my Forgeline purchase. I am going to go with a wheel and tire I can safely run autocross, road course, and drag strip.



Good deal man.....sounds like a plan! Should run really good I bet. 500rwhp should get you some soild low 120 traps I would think. Sometimes I wish I went the big stroker BBC route instead of the Procharger...just so much crap to worry about!

[Vegas69]

The Forgelines are officially in production and I should have them in about 30 days with fresh R888 rubber. Can't wait.

I am running my second Autocross Sunday. There are some things I wanted to fix and tweak before this weekends race. I encountered what I believed was some brake pad knock back. Basically, I would go into the first corner with great pedal and going into the next corner I would have to much pedal travel. It delayed my timing and I eventually just pumped them once between corners. (like I didn't have enough going on) So I jacked up the car when I got it home and checked for pad drag. The fronts seem to have plenty of drag after parking the car. The rears however had barely any to none. I decided to install a 2 psi residual valve to keep the pads up against the rotors and creat some drag. Evidentally there is enough play in the rear end to cause some knock back. I can't feel any and have never had this problem on the street. This weekend will let me know if it's fixed.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/021.jpg

Upon inspection before the last autocross I found a leaky axle seal in the RR. It was starting to get onto the rotor and the drum brakes for the e brake. When the rear end was assembled whoever installed the axle seal must of used a seal driver that was a little small. As you can see in the photo the inside of the seal was caved in some and caused the leak. I can understand why...they are kind of a biatch to get in. You really need a seal driver kit with a 63mm driver. Axle is back in and the brakes are back on now.
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Last but not least is I encountered enough wheel flex for the inside lip of the wheel to contact the shock bushing and housing in the LR. I also determined that my current setup will not work with my 18's. I have two brackets being cut at the water jet shop in the morning. I'm moving my shock mount in 2 inches for extra clearance that will keep the shock on the same plane with no bind and approx same length. A small ride height change wil need t be made but the rub will be gone and it will work for both 18's and 19's. The rear end bracket is 1/8 and I stepped it up to 1/4 just to be safe. The bracket will also have rounded corners and painted to match.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/016-1.jpg

[fleetus macmullitz]

Great TCAND* tech as always Todd. :thumbsup:

I think I should build one like yours.

It's the only PT car with an online service manual. :D



*These cars are never done

[Flash68]

Impressive work man. Good luck on the auto-x. Make us proud! :D

[BBC69Camaro]

How close where was your rim to the lower shock mount?

[Spiffav8]

Be sure to let me know where and when for Sunday. :unibrow:

[98ssnova]

Hey Todd I would resafetywire those brakes double neutral is not good and there is alot of slack in the wire would want your brakes rotors to loosen up on you at the event.

[bigtyme1]

Todd, let me know how the shock brackets turn out. I may have to do the same thing. Infact if you to make and extra set PM me a price and I'll take them.

[Vegas69]

I enjoy the tweaking and dialing in of the car. Everytime I put a wrench on the car it's a little better. I've searched through many forums for ideas so I feel it's the least I can do to save somebody a headache.

The shock was probably 3/8" LR from the wheel. Bigtyme...feel free to steal the photo and send it to your local waterjet. They are only costing me $40. Let me make sure they work as intended first. I'll snap some pictures this weekend.

I see what your saying about the safety wire. There not as loose as they may look.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Todd, your car is a role model to all those little Camaros out there hoping to be pro-touring Camaros when then grow up. :D

[Vegas69]

I won't be making the race. One autocross and I already have a torn upper gbar bushing and bleeding the brakes I see a few bubbles where the machined surfaces meet RR. The two center bolts feel bottomed out or cross threaded. You can acutally wiggle the center bolts that hold the caliper together. All three other calipers feel seated and won't wiggle of course. It has great pedal and will hold for 2 minutes but after 2 mintues there is just enough to wet your finger. So you guys with stock g bar links might as well upgrade now if you plan to drive your car. I'm going to request a new caliper from Wilwood since it's clearly an assembly problem. What a buzz kill!:D

The good news is the residual valve has gave me the brake drag I need and the brackets turned out sweet. Time for a bud light.:cheers:

[Spiffav8]

So Sunday is a no go?:mad:

[Flash68]

Bummer dude..

[bigtyme1]

Great Todd, send in some picks when there done. No water jet in my area but maybe I can cut them up my self.

[Vegas69]

Sunday is a no go. As soon as I get them both installed I'll snap some photos bigtyme.

The good news is, next race I'll have my Forgelines and R888's! I might as well upgrade all my end links out back because I will find every weak link and clearly the urethane bushing aren't going to hold up to my abuse. For a weekend cruiser yes, for some racing, not even close. Especially once I have my R compounds. Really wishing I would have went Quadralink right now. I'll have way more invested in this rear suspension with new links and a sway bar. It should be bullet proof however.

[Vegas69]

Found some photos from the Autocross 2 weeks ago. This was coming out of the longest straight so it was a very fast corner. Car looks pretty decent. Once I get the tires more evenly matched and R compounds I'll get some new photos. Have a feeling a rear bar is going on after the race rubber.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/3481991033_03115b4984.jpg
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[awr68]

Love the action shots!! :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Where's the video? ;)

[Vegas69]

:D You must of missed the thread.
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[69x22]

Love it!!!

[fleetus macmullitz]

:D You must of missed the thread.


Thanks for the re-post! :D

Trying to keep of with 'The king of all media' Flash Gordon's epic saga I became a slacker on your auto-x debut. That's my lame excuse. :lol:

[tones2SS]

Love the action shots!! :thumbsup:

I agree Tony.
Car looks so sinister going around those cones!!:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Todd,

Looks like a nice big auto-x.

Did you like the layout?

Down the road, would you switch to an aluminum block?

[Vegas69]

It was a large track but a pretty touch layout with the slalom at the end getting progressively narrower. Of course I would prefer an aluminum block but that's 5k. Then I might as well go 540, mechanical cam, blah blah blah. The motor I have is so strong I won't mess with it unless absolutely neccesary. The race wheels and tires I have on order should make a huge difference by narrowing the stagger gap, lowering the rotating mass, and adding much more grip. The car really handles well on the road. That being my first autocross with street tires, I feel with my tweaks and becoming a better driver I can be very competitive with my big block. Keep in mind that I have aluminum heads, radiator, hinges, all my resorvoirs, battery in the trunk.etc. So it's like having a small block up there. In fact I am running small block springs with no coil bind. That being said if I do grenade the motor it will be hard not to go to an aluminum Dart block. My favorite is still a aluminum big block with a hogan intake. But that means atleast 10k and I have to much money in this car already. :rofl:

[fleetus macmullitz]

My favorite is still a aluminum big block with a hogan intake.

Tasty!

... I have to much money in this car already. :rofl:

Nahhhh! :D

[Flash68]

540..... I like it.

[Vegas69]

Still off the road waiting on some end links and a caliper. First batch was wrong. My last update included a residual valve to help with pad knock back I had during my first autocross. I've heard that it may not solve my issues. I hope it does, but I wanted to make sure it was the rear causing me issues. I also wanted to take some measurements with a dial indicator to find out just how much axle travel and bearing play I have.

LF .001 RF .001
LR .013 RR .010

I cinched down the rotor with lug nuts and divided the front measurment and used the whole rear measurment. I can definitely see with the added load of autocross how the rear end play could grow to at least double my measurments. I'm going to check specs on end play with moser.0 If my residual valve doesn't fix my problem, I'll be looking for some bearings that will give me less end play.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/003-4.jpg

[skatinjay27]

^^^^^^^^^^ blah blah blah! i wanna know what wheels you ended up ordering!lol

[Vegas69]

Tough ****

[Spiffav8]

Ha,Ha!

[bigtyme1]

Todd, did you get the shock plates made yet?

[Vegas69]

I sure did. They fit perfect. All business...1/4 inch plate with grade 8 bolts with nylon nuts.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005-2.jpg

[tones2SS]

Such a nice car Todd.
I'm with you. I'm not sure if I want to do the LSx engine or aluminum big block fuel injected. I was actually talking about that with Tony Rose last week and your car came up. Your car is pushing me towards the big block.
VERY NICE!:bow: :cheers:

[BBC69Camaro]

I sure did. They fit perfect. All business...1/4 inch plate with grade 8 bolts with nylon nuts.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005-2.jpg

So is that a flat square plate that you bolt on that offsets the shock mount inboard? Any pictures unassembled? My lower shock mount is pretty close as well.

[Vegas69]

Thanks tone...I would love to have fuel injection. One of these days.

Ed...it's just 1/4 plate with rounded corners cut out of a water jet machine. I even had him cut the bolt holes with the water jet. Cost me under $30. The rear end housing is 1/8 plate. I'm not sure if it will effect the handling or have any other adverse effects yet. I do know that the stock setup will not work well in a racing or high load enviroment so you many as well change now. I really think it's axle end play that causes the issue now that I'm up to my eyes in brake pad knock back. It' really the easiest way to do it without any bind or a different length shock. I noticed the new G Link has the shocks mounted more vertical so that did give me the idea. I tried a set of mustand g bar lower shock mounts and the angle is off. I didn't snap any pictures before I mounted them. It moves the shock mount in 2". You could fabricate a new bracket that didn't move it in quiet as much but you would need to use a double sheer mount with a sleeve. I really don't think I'll experience any changes in ride or handling.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Todd,

I know you're not ready to switch over to EFI but have you looked into this system?


http://www.retrotekspeed.com/products/powerjection-iii/

Kty_JzA3MZY

[BBC69Camaro]

Ed...it's just 1/4 plate with rounded corners cut out of a water jet machine.

Cool, be nice to see how it handles with that plate on it. Should fix any rubbing issues. I'll have to put that on my todo list. Thanks Todd.

[Vegas69]

Ed...don't cut those rotors just yet.

I found my brake pad knock back problem. I have to say I'm a little dissapointed in Moser Engineering and Wilwood honestly. These guys are in bed together and their products should work together. I figured out that I have .020 clearance between by bearing retainer and bearing outside race. So the bearing and rotor are sliding back and forth .020 before any bearing flex. I'll add a shim behind the bearing and it will fix it. I am going to call Moser out on the carpet in the morning.
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[Vegas69]

Todd,

I know you're not ready to switch over to EFI but have you looked into this system?




Won't handle my power...if I do it, it will be a hogan.

[70rs]

Todd,
Glad you got that figured out. And thanks for posting the solution for us.
I currently have the stock ten bolt in my 70 and was looking at stepping up to the unit you have. Maybe there will be a real "fix" from the manufacturer by the time I am ready for one.
Eric

[Vegas69]

I think it's important for us to share solutions with eachother. Building these bad mothers is one thing. Having the tenacity to make them perfect is another. It is truly a custom applicaton where a tweak here and there can make your next drive that much better. I can't wait to get this thing on the track with my new forgelines and a predictable brake. I am also speculating that my brake performance on the street will be better than ever. :yes:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I can't wait to get this thing on the track with my new forgelines and a predictable brake. I am also speculating that my brake performance on the street will be better than ever. :yes:

Like you said in the vid a lot of us weren't aware of this problem. Good job.:thumbsup:

Have you ever considered a career with the Emergency Broadcast System? :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

Eat ****.:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Eat ****

And may you enjoy yours in liquid form! :lol:

[Flash68]

Have you ever considered a career with the Emergency Broadcast System? :unibrow:

:rofl:


Todd, they need to give you a show on Speed Channel. You might be more interesting than that Stacy David weirdo. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

... that Stacy David weirdo. :D

He wouldn't fit in in your neighborhood?! :wow:



:lol:

[Flash68]

He wouldn't fit in in your neighborhood?! :wow:



:lol:


No he would not! I live in the Mission District where all the hipsters and the Mexicans live. :willy:


All jokes aside for once, I'm pretty impressed with your pursuit of absolute perfection with your car, Todd. Keep fighting the good fight.

[fleetus macmullitz]

When Todd's asleep and no one else is in this thread, do my lame comments really count as a thread hijack?

Ok, I'll be serious.

Always interesting, always impressive Todd. :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Myself, Todd and Ron Deraad have been exchanging emails back and forth on this problem. All three of us have the same knock back problem. Me and Ron have 9 inches (must be genetics) and Todd has the 12. All have the big ford bearings.

I will be pulling mine apart this weekend.

[Vegas69]

After a pow wow with Matt over at Moser Engineering, I'm pointing my finger at Wilwood. As he stated, they haven't reinvented the wheel here. The big ford end and the bearing are ford parts. I think the retaining plate is the issue. He thought I should shim it on the outside so it would be the way it was intended and would maintain all my axle mesh. Payton, since your problem started after installing the Wilwood kit it just reinforces what moser said. Measure your end play this weekend and hopefully we will need the same shims. We'll get some made. He did say he would call his Wilwood rep and make it known. I'm calling them later if I have time.

[Payton King]

being so thin. I am really leaning towards making a new one that is thicker and machine a little preload into it.

I really do not want to be in my office today so I may get out of here and go mess with it.

[Vegas69]

It's possible that the retaining plate has been tweaked as well causing the slack. We need to be careful with to much preload since it does hold on the backing plate as well. Let's get on the same page after I talk to Wilwood and you tear into yours. We'll get this whipped.

[bigtyme1]

Hey Todd,Just curious, did anybody ask frank about this issue? He sells alot of these set ups and it's the first time I've heard of it. I have the same set up as you. Hope to be test driving soon to see if I have the same issue.

[Vegas69]

LOL Me and Frank always talk about everything. He hasn't come across it yet. I have it figured out and will post updates soon.

[Vegas69]

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Which would you want in that high speed corner?
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/0808or_04_zwilwoods_dynalite_pro_se.jpg

[waynieZ]

No questioning the difference there. They look like their for different aplications (Trailer queen on the left and real car on the right). Nice catch on this I will have to mention this to Mike when he builds my Fab 9.

[MWCC]

Hey Todd,

I was going through some old pics and came across a few from your car.

Here she is in all her glory right before she was blown apart and transformed into the BEAST she has now become. I figured everyone would get a kick out of these. That baby has come a long way!!!

ENJOY!!!:thumbsup:

The Little Green Monster hiding in the background.
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt38/MWCC_album/100_1765.jpg

A close-up
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt38/MWCC_album/100_1767.jpg

[Spiffav8]

Hey Todd,

I was going through some old pics and came across a few from your car.

Here she is in all her glory right before she was blown apart and transformed into the BEAST she has now become. I figured everyone would get a kick out of these. That baby has come a long way!!!

ENJOY!!!:thumbsup:

The Little Green Monster hiding in the background.
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt38/MWCC_album/100_1765.jpg

A close-up
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt38/MWCC_album/100_1767.jpg

Wow...the car has come a long way! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Thanks Nick! She didn't look to bad back then. The car actually drove really well after swapping out the plugs. Such a solid starter. Very few of them left.

[MWCC]

Such a solid starter. Very few of them left.


Thats for sure!! I haven't come across one that original and solid since yours. I know they're out there, but most are garage queen #'s cars. A solid 307 car to build on........few and far between.

[tones2SS]

Hey Todd,

I was going through some old pics and came across a few from your car.

Here she is in all her glory right before she was blown apart and transformed into the BEAST she has now become. I figured everyone would get a kick out of these. That baby has come a long way!!!

ENJOY!!!:thumbsup:

The Little Green Monster hiding in the background.
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt38/MWCC_album/100_1765.jpg

A close-up
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt38/MWCC_album/100_1767.jpg

WOW!!
Very cool. Looks like a nice clean car to begin with.
BIG CHANGE!:wow: :cheers:

[Vegas69]

I've got a ton of time in this car. Not just rolling around underneath but planning. The car was a super nice start.

The car has been up on jack stands for to long now for 4 link bushing fatigue and brake pad knock back. I have both issues resolved I think. Here is a look at my stock G Bar/Air Ride bushings after 2200 miles and one autocross.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/003-5.jpg
Clearly I have compromised both bushings especially the triangulated bushing. When I ran the Autocross I had no rub in the morning and made some adjustments in the afternoon and developed a rub. The bushing is suspect at best and I think the extra stress forced it's hand.

So I decided to upgrade my end links and upper control arms so adjustment would be a piece of cake. It sucks that I have to basically rebuild my rear end. It's for two specific issues. Let's start with the brake pad knock back. I had .020 and .023 axle end play with the Wilwood retaining plates. Well I have finally got Wilwood to admit there is a problem. There is no preload on the bearings and they have something in the works. (Where is my jack off symbol) Anyway, Currie makes a new retaining plate which you can see in the pics below. Way thicker and a larger lip to compress the bearing. After ripping apart my LR the Wilwood retainer was tweaked. I dont' baby this car but I'm disapointed. I insalled one axle and my end play is down to .006. Very nice.

I also started from scratch on my end links and upper control arms. I decided ot piece together the upper arms and make them stout and more adjustable. I sawed off the lowers, tapped the threads, and installed the new links. (It's more work than it looks like) I ended up repainting them since they had to be in the vice for cutting and tapping. Teh end links are kevlar/teflon mix. I want my **** bullet proof. :lol:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/002-2.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005-3.jpg

[Denvervet]

Nice job on the end links. I saw this coming and replaced mine with a Johnny joint. I had mine cut and threaded by a local machine shop for next to nothing:yes: . Did you have to remove the end bearing to get that retaining plate on? I'm going to be in the same boat soon and wondered what it takes to get those pressed bearings off.

[Vegas69]

It takes about $125. LOL If you haven't built your rear end, buy the plates from currie to start with. Scratch that, buy them anyway and press your bearings off and back on. They will need to install new retainer sleeves for the bearings.

[tones2SS]

Seriously Todd, you need to start doing pro-touring builds.:thumbsup:
How do you know so much about this stuff? I wish I knew half of what you know. lol:lol:

[70rs]

i have never used anything like the g-bar so I have no idea how long those bushings should last.
Is that normal wear? I would think they would last longer than that.

[Spiffav8]

i have never used anything like the g-bar so I have no idea how long those bushings should last.
Is that normal wear? I would think they would last longer than that.

2200 miles...normal wear? I would have to say no. They should last a long long time.

[Vegas69]

Thanks Tone...it's really just experience. I did get a 2 year degree in auto and was a line tech for a couple years. That was a good solid base where I'm pretty capable of anthing from bumper to bumper. Building these things is nothing like working on regular cars. It's all about tweaking and coming up with solutions that look good and work well. For me so far a lot of it has been fixing problems from parts manufacturers and other individuals. Some of the bugs have included:

Engine builder isntalled wrong distributor gear
Intake leaked water external
G bar end links just aren't worthy of the track
Wilwood brake caliper leak
Wilwood retainer plate mis engineered
Axle seal mis installation
Edelbrock water pump leaked out weep hole
1/2 height body bushings I wasn't aware of
Broke two oer emergency cables before I switched to lokar


I'm sure there were other issues. There have been things I've done that needed redesigned or tweaked as well.

Had to redesign the fuel system with about 5 miles on the car
Hooked up the rack backwards and blew out the seal(Assumed red was high pressure not yellow)
Had oil fitting leak at the remote oil filter mount needed tape instead of sealer
Sure many more.


At the end of the day it's just little stuff and part of the game. I'm sure I've been much luckier than most. Not bitching one bit. Everybody that has actually touched the car did and awesome job...Prodigy Customs, Findlay Customs, ATS

[70rs]

Hi Todd,
For such an incredible car the list of issues does seem short. I can understand the frustration with having to re engineer parts. I have had to re engineer drawings from engineers in the construction arena. And I only installed the stuff. Some things look better on paper huh?

I agree with tone. Open a shop. "If you build it, they will come":D

[bigtyme1]

Hey Todd, did you get them shock plates made yet? Also what is you adjustment on the Varishocks Hieght?

[Vegas69]

The car is back on the ground. I'll have pics tomorrow or Sunday. Your going to need to adjust your coil overs about 25 times to dial it in. LOL

[tones2SS]

Sweet.
Can't wait to see it!:cheers:

[waynieZ]

Nice work Todd ..

[Vegas69]

I have a little time before my race tonight so I thought I'd update my thread. After my last post race inspection I found a RR axle seal leak and had severe brake pad knock back on the track. I replaced both axle seals and while bleeding the rear brakes notices bubbles coming out between the RR caliiper halves. Frank at Prodigy and Wilwood were kind enough to warranty that caliper. To fix the pad knock back issue I had to press of and on the bearing for a plate with a larger lip. (Wilwood is designing a new plate now) I also tore up two of my upper link bushings and switched over to a kevlar/teflon end link which should get rid of the bind. That required re centering the rear end and setting the pinion angle. I aslo had some plates water jetted to move the coil over mount in 2 inches to clear my 18's and 19's. While I had the calipers off I figured it was time to put a short brake hose in the system so I can pull the calipers without bleeding the brakes.

So my Forgelines show up. Gorgeous....bolt them on and the front hit the caliper. Tried jet nuts, and a spacer and just wasn't happy with the clearance. So I made the decision to change to 13" rotors and now I have a ton of clearance for both wheels. Of course that meant swapping out the caliper studs and safety wiring the new rotors. I also had to recenter 3 calipers since I changed front rotors and a new rear caliper. The mounting pad is thicker on the forgelines so I had to put in longer studs. That required removing the hubs and I went to a 2.5 inch stud which meant I have to run open ended lug nuts. So I now have a 1/8 spacer for the forgelines out back and the fronts just bolt on. I can run eithe rset of wheels with plenty of clearance. :thumbsup:

This all took about 6 weeks and a ton of work!

Here is a pictures of the new coil over mount. It has alot more clearance between teh bracket and wheel. (Picture makes them look close)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/009-2.jpg

Here you can see the longer studs and smaller rotor. 14" rotors and an 18" step wheel don't mix real well. I needed to change rotors or go with a thicker pad on the wheel which meant less wheel lip. I never wanted 14" rotors in the first place and wanted to keep the lip.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/001-4.jpg

Finally got her on the ground at 11:30 last night. We had friends over and I spent the whole night in the garage. :lol:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/011-2.jpg

[camaro2nv]

I know I already posted but man I love those wheels!

[70rs]

X2 camaro2nv. The wheels look great.
Glad to see it's on the road again Todd. Good luck today at the autoX!

[Vegas69]

It was a great night. The course was very technical and tight. The track surface was bumpy and loose. What a difference the race wheels made. The push was out of the car. Also happy to say the brakes were 100% better. The fastest sweeper the car stuck like glue. I ended up nosing out a new Viper and got beat by a Nissan Gtr by less than a second. The icing on the cake was there was a Mustang Super Snake at the event. He was slow but his buddy ask how much horse I had. I said 600. Well my buddy has 700. Cool....well I pull out on the interstate and guess who is in front of me. Up for the challenge we ran them up way into triple digits. Weak ass 700hp. I pulled him twice!:D :D Oh yeah...the old girl is a chick magnet. My old lady couldn't make it and I had 3 young ladies ask for a ride and I obliged.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/018.jpg

[89 RS]

Todd, those wheels look sick. I think your car has a very sinister look to it now, looks awesome! :thumbsup:

[Tom.A]

Looks killer Todd :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

OH MAN!!!
You're killing me Todd. Love that car, and not just because it's got a BBC in it neither!! lol And the new wheels look KILLER!
I'm glad it went well for you. I like the story about the Mustang dudes. lol
Keep up the great work. She's a real beauty!:hail: :cheers:

[Flash68]

Good stuff man, but no pics of the 3 young ladies getting a ride = fail. :D

Was it one of the Eleanor replica Super Snakes or the late model version?

[Vegas69]

It was a brand new super snake from my understanding. Claimed 700hp and the top of the line super snake is 725hp. I have my doubts after racing him on the interstate. I was reading this morning that the 725hp super snake will run high 10's with slicks. However, it is 4100 lbs. All I know is I pulled him really well the first time u p to about 130 and the second time he got a little jump and I got him by a nose. He just disappeared in my rear view mirror after that. It was really fun and I'm glad I'm not locked up in the pokey.:rofl:
The chicks just weren't that hot. haha I didn't look over the car real close but it resembled this http://www.shelbyautos.com/images/SSFlyer.pdf but was flat black.

[Flash68]

yeah I figured it was a late model version cuz those things run some very unimpressive times based on their claimed power, and yes they are behemoths of a car. Nothing like having an 800# or so weight advantage!

Nice kill. Just get a good radar like the V1. :D

Hey, not-hot chicks need lovin too. :lol:

[Vegas69]

I'll leave that up to you.:D It's been so long since I've had some strange that I probably wouldn't even get my zipper down.

[Flash68]

It's been so long since I've had some strange that I probably wouldn't even get my zipper down.

Easily the quote of the day. :lol:

[70rs]

:rofl: :rofl: ....wouldn't even get my zipper down:rofl: :rofl:

I laugh only because I can relate.......

Glad to hear you smoked an over priced Ford. Nice work!

[Vegas69]

Here is a video of the track layout Saturday night. Super tight but fun. Those two 90 degree turns were a killer.
http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/R2s99zoom/6-13-09%20Autocross%20Primm%20LVRSCCA/?action=view&current=P6130011.flv

[Vegas69]

Found some video of my car....looks great until I get to the double 90 degree turns. The car was just a little low and I don't have much camber in it yet so it did limit my turning radius a little.
http://s694.photobucket.com/albums/vv304/bridgidmasters/Autocross/?action=view&current=MVI_4026.flv

The car I raced on the way home sure does have the super snake hood. http://s694.photobucket.com/albums/vv304/bridgidmasters/Autocross/?action=view&current=MVI_4017.flv

[89 RS]

Todd, looked like you were moving pretty good. Cool video.:D Do you know what your average speed was?

[waynieZ]

Nice job Todd, It looks like it was fun..

[slck6t9]

Todd that was awesome. Your car definetly halls the mail...:hail:

[Matt@BOS]

Hate to say it, but that car you raced wasn't a Super Snake. I've got an 06 Mustang, as well as a Camaro, (I don't discriminate with muscle cars) and have wasted quite a few hours getting to know Mustangs, before really getting into pro-touring. In the video you posted, the car looked like a regular GT with a Roush body kit, and maybe a blower, from the sound of it at the end. Unless he's got forged internals, I doubt he's putting down more than 450rwhp, which explains why you blew past him. Hey, he probably felt emasculated by that sinister looking 69 of yours and had to say something :lol:

BTW you really make wish I'd gotten brushed hoops and my forgeline ZX3s, the new wheels look killer

Matt

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys! Your right Matt it wasn't a super snake. I found out it's an 07 GT with the body kit. However, it has been turned into a stroker with a turbo.

[70rs]

I just watched the video Todd, the car looks like it ran awesome! In the vid it looks like there is about ZERO body roll. How is the ride on the street with the current set up? Nice work on the track!

[Vegas69]

Really nice actually. I have the front shocks as stiff as they will go and it still rides nice. The back has 16 positions and I run it at about 12 on the track. I dial it all the way back to 3-4 and it rides really plush. The last two times I autocrossed I got about 2 miles and pulled over and crawled underneath the rear for a few seconds and on my way.

[skatinjay27]

yeah thats a big part of the DSE sub and g-bar that amazes me, the way todds car rides on the streets.
with how nice and comfortable the suspension is on the streets you'd NEVER expect it to react the way it does when its put to the test... :unibrow: :unibrow:
and thats one of the big differences with just using a stock sub and great leaf springs, yes youll be able to hang with the 4/3 linkswith aftermarket subs on the track but to do that you have to sacrifice ride quality on the streets:(
i just look at it like if ya got the money the deff. go with 4/3link with a aftermarket sub.

todd i gotta come see the race look in person soon!

[70rs]

It sounds like a really cool set up Todd. I'll have to go back through my suspension after I get it on the road and do some better upgrades. For now it will be upgraded leafs and everything in front but the stock sub. Down the road I hope to be able to do a trick rear set up. For now the drivetrain is eating up a big chunk of the budget. I spoke to Jason Rushforth today and got my wheel choice figured out and am working on the brake package.
Rushforth Rated X 20x10 rear and 19x8 fronts with black centers and polished lip. 285/35/20 and 245/40/19 tires.
Can you guys suggest a good street tire that will stick in dry weather but at cooler temps than you have down in Nevada?
Thanks,
Eric

[Vegas69]

yeah thats a big part of the DSE sub and g-bar that amazes me, the way todds car rides on the streets.
with how nice and comfortable the suspension is on the streets you'd NEVER expect it to react the way it does when its put to the test... :unibrow: :unibrow:
and thats one of the big differences with just using a stock sub and great leaf springs, yes youll be able to hang with the 4/3 linkswith aftermarket subs on the track but to do that you have to sacrifice ride quality on the streets:(
i just look at it like if ya got the money the deff. go with 4/3link with a aftermarket sub.

todd i gotta come see the race look in person soon!

Thank you sir...and you definitely need to come over soon. You need to get out to my next autocross and ride along. How you been man?

I'd just go with the R888's and call it a day. If I had it to do all over again that's exactly what I would do. I haven't driven the car in sub 75-80 degree temps but it really has nice grip even when the tires aren't warm. Bad news is they don't make them in a 20". I wouldn't run that big a wheel if you plan on racing the car at all. And I don't care what the new ZR1 has on it.

[70rs]

It won't be "raced". Maybe a couple of open track days at most. It's being built to run on the street and have fun with. There is a fair amount of rice grinders around here that I want to play with. Just out of curiousity why would you not run 20's if it were to be raced?

[Vegas69]

Lack of sidewall and r compounds. I was once at your stage. I didn't think I'd race mine much either. Now that's all I care about. lol If you race it and your hooked your stuck with 2 sets of expensive wheels. (Ask me how I know) Now is the time to decide if your willing to take that chance. Personally I'd go with a 19/18 stagger since many performance tires are available. I get pulled over everytime I drive the damn thing on the street. I have the traffic ticket guy on speed dial and I'm on his Christmas list. :rofl: :rofl:

[70rs]

What you're saying makes good sense Todd. I'll have to re think my wheel sizes. I didn't realize there was such a limited range of tires in the 20" size. A 18/19 stagger would still look great and give me a bit more sidewall and a broader choice of tires too. Once again Todd, you have given me some great advice. Thanks.
As for the getting pulled over, I have a couple of friends in the city P.D. and a couple more who work for the county sherrif dept. I met them while I was out tearing it up on my bike. Now we are great friends. My wife is my insurance agant, if I get any more tickets I am effed!:D

[Spiffav8]

todd i gotta come see the race look in person soon!

Aj I am of the same mind. I say we grab a few of the locals and head out to the next event with Todd. I'm sure he could use a good pit crew. lol

[Vegas69]

Project number 1,028:D

Venting a rear end and fuel tank on a 69 Camaro is very difficult. I should say it's very difficult if you want to vent your fuel system correctly without vapor lock or overheating the pump. I've been running K&N's for both as high as I could get them which wasn't good enough and I knew it. I know I was losing some gas at a little grease. Of course autocross and plans to road course really forced my hand. Plus at no miles per gallon it's not fun losing a few ounces here and there. So anyway, I designed a venting system for both the rear end and fuel tank.

I was very important to me that I kept my 8 an vent. Your fuel vent is supposed to be equal to your feed line and I wasn't going to compromise. I picked up a couple plan jane coolant overflow tanks and tapped them for 3/8 npt top and bottom, the rear end tank got tapped 1/4 npt since I used 6 an for it. I ran all AN fittings, bulhead through the trunk, then vented the tank at the top through grommets into a 1/2 and 3/8 K&N. This will hopefully allow me to top off the tank with no spillage and I'll have a quart capacity in the overflow tanks. The gas tank and rear end are well below these tanks so it should solve any spillage and it look pretty damn cool too. I even used the leaf spring shackle bushing hole for support. That's really a pretty tight spot between the frame rail and quarter, it looks large in the photo. Just to give you a feel those K&N filters are 4 inches across together. Probably have about 10-15 hours in design, fabrication, and assembly.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/FuelVent001.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/FuelVent008.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/FuelVent009.jpg

[70rs]

It looks like it turned out very nice Todd. Have you had a chance to "test" it out on the local twisties yet?
I hope it works as good as it looks.

You mention "no miles per gallon". Have you had a chance to figure out average MPG yet?

[awr68]

Looks nice Todd! Do you have any fuel smell in the garage (while parked)? That is one thing I'm needing to avoid!!

[Vegas69]

I only checked the fuel mileage once on a cruise out of town a ways and got 10mpg. That was highway. :_paranoid I've never really got a strong fuel smell Anthony. I did use hard line the length of the car where the fuel probably sits the most.

[Flash68]

Wow Todd that is some nice clean work. Like a professional.

[waynieZ]

That looks like a nice setup nice and neat..

[Vegas69]

Ever since I mounted up my Forgelines I've had a pull to the right. I've been meaning to add some negative camber to the car since it was set up at a conservative .5 on both sides. Somehow I now had R.375 and L.75 degrees on negative camber. Clearly the almost .5 degrees is the problem. I haven't got out and bought that swamp cooler yet, so I've been spending more time talking about cars than driving and working. I decided to head out there tonight and play with my new bubble gauges and toe plates. I had the camber set at 1 degree per side in like 10 minutes. I have 3/16 toe out currently which is a probably a little to much. I'll save that for another rodeo. Took her out for a 30 mile cruise and she drives beautiful and straight again. :thumbsup: The extra turning radius is a bonus. I'll probably lift the front a hair when I reset the toe.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/016-2.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/023.jpg

[skatinjay27]

thats a cool alignment gauge...its simple and looks to be a much better option than the spc one. i really just wanna do my own alignment since we dont really have manys options for shops out here.

[Vegas69]

I can get different hub adapters for it as well. I ended up getting it from a race shop downtown. They were nice enough to change out the adapter to fit a corvette at no charge.

[Spiffav8]

thats a cool alignment gauge...its simple and looks to be a much better option than the spc one. i really just wanna do my own alignment since we dont really have manys options for shops out here.

The guy Tyler sent me to did a decent job, but was a total jerk and charged me more than he quoted on the phone.

[skatinjay27]

The guy Tyler sent me to did a decent job, but was a total jerk and charged me more than he quoted on the phone.
yeah, the guy that still does it the old school way right ie: no fancy electronic setup?

[Spiffav8]

yeah, the guy that still does it the old school way right ie: no fancy electronic setup?

The only real complaint I had was that he put a small scratch on one of the wheels. Other than that and being charged more than I was quoted he did a good job.

[Vegas69]

Can't you guys text, email, pick up the phone, drive to eachothers house, use the us postal service or something to communicate? :rofl:

[70rs]

Can't you guys text, email, pick up the phone, drive to eachothers house, use the us postal service or something to communicate? :rofl:

You all must live near each other? Glad to see it works that way in other parts of the country too.

Todd, how is the new venting system working out?

[Vegas69]

I'm definitely getting better gas mileage. However, when I park after a drive and the tank releases pressure it will piss a little. I'm going to try a vented cap and if that doesn't do it, I'll rerun the vent hose with two loops in it. It is alot better than the old setup. The rearend vent works perfect.

[70rs]

I'm definitely getting better gas mileage. However, when I park after a drive and the tank releases pressure it will piss a little. I'm going to try a vented cap and if that doesn't do it, I'll rerun the vent hose with two loops in it. It is alot better than the old setup. The rearend vent works perfect.

Glad to hear it. I am going to do something very similar. Thanks for the ideas!

[skatinjay27]

You all must live near each other? Glad to see it works that way in other parts of the country too.

Todd, how is the new venting system working out? naw just in the same city. lol


and No we cant... we prefer to hi-jack your thread!:D

[Spiffav8]

naw just in the same city. lol


and No we cant... we prefer to hi-jack your thread!:D

Actually we all live on the same block but it's just to hot to go outside. :D

[Flash68]

how has this car not been featured in a mag yet?

[skatinjay27]

how has this car not been featured in a mag yet?
its about to be on the cover of chp and CP at the same time!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol:




no one to shoot the car here in vegas...

[Vegas69]

I haven't exactly been sending photos to magazines begging. Steve said he'll shoot it and I told him there was no hurry. The car isn't going anywhere. The car only gets better and better. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

its about to be on the cover of chp and CP at the same time!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol:


:willy: :lol:

I haven't exactly been sending photos to magazines begging. Steve said he'll shoot it and I told him there was no hurry. The car isn't going anywhere. The car only gets better and better. :thumbsup:

I figured he would be at some point...

[jcal87]

Todd your car is truly badass!

[tones2SS]

Todd your car is truly badass!

Yes. Yes it is. My favorite part = BBC!!!:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Thanks.... I spent the better part of yesterday afternoon trying out Zaino. It's labor intensive but the car really turned out nice. It's looking just as shiny or shinier than ever. I also had some clear bra installed behind both wheels up to the body line for protection with the R888's. Went out this morning for breakfast and a run around the lake. I haven't had a chance to shoot any decent photos since the wheel change. I need to add a couple loops to my new venting system as you can see. It doesn't seem to leak while running since a vaccum is being pulled on the tank as fuel is consumed. I knocked down 9 miles per gallon city/highway. :rofl: You can also see the new gbar coilover mount setup. I ended up adding a third bolt for safety and looks.

Here are my two ladies.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CamaroLakeAug09023.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CamaroLakeAug09032.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CamaroLakeAug09004.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CamaroLakeAug09011.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CamaroLakeAug09018.jpg

[70rs]

Looking great Todd! Is everything going well with the new brake swap? I know that was a while ago but I had not heard anything on it. :cheers:

[awr68]

Yeah, that's bad ass!! I love that you keep tinkering and making it better and better!! :thumbsup: :cheers:

[Spiffav8]

Wow :wow: the thing is glowing more than ever!! :thumbsup:

I know Aj is a big fan of Zanio and has used it. What are your thoughts? Is it worth the effort, how many hours did it take you to do the entire car. Also how is that clear bra stuff holding with those rock throwing monsters you have on the back end of that power house?

Now that the weather has cooled a tad I think I need to twist your arm and get you to take me for a ride. :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

The brakes still have a little knockback, but it's managable. It's barely noticable on the street.

The Zaino is really a pain in the ass. I spent about 4-5 hours on the car. The polish that I first used called the z5 is supposed to fill in minor imperfections and light scratches. After the first application, the shine was very noticable. I then reapplied it and finished with the z2. I really can't say I noticed any extra shine after the final two applications. The z2 is supposed to be the last step and it has sunblock. The z2 was also very hard to get off compared to the z5. We'll definitely have to get out for a ride. I have a race coming up on August 23rd in Primm.

The car really isn't finished. I still need to add the AC and something for the Ipod. I'll also be adding an accumulator, oil cooler, and possibly a 2 pass radiator soon. I think the tweaking part of the build is my favorite. At the end of the day, it's a custom build and it takes miles to make them reliable enough for the street, let alone the track.

[waynieZ]

The car looks sweet Todd.

[monza]

Looks great! Really had to restrain my self from making a nice 'rides' joke.:_paranoid

Just noticed, maybe it's covered in the past 69 pages but how come one black bumper and one chrome?

[Vegas69]

Ha..ha.. I just like the ass end of a 69 with a chrome bumper. I admit it worked better with the other wheels. Hows Fuel?

[monza]

Nothing wrong with a nice black ass end...

FUeL is great just finished up a conversion to a full DSE front clip, mainly to get a bigger (wider) front wheels. But also added dual adjustable shocks front and rear. With all that, needed new front brakes to fit the new front and that of course rolled into new wheels ...HRE's again all around. Few other tweaks in there as well. Like anything took a bit longer then expected. Really worked out good however as I sold all the 'old' stuff for a good price for both myself and the buyer.

[camaro2nv]

Makes me want to paint my car black.

[BBC69Camaro]

Wow looking great!

[awr68]

Makes me want to paint my car black.

Makes me want to paint mine grey!

Sorry Todd, j/k!! Actually it's funny, I never liked black camaros until I saw one pro-toured! Now I love them!! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

:rofl: Ya, black is not the easiest color to deal with. Mine has a little more black than the average Camaro.:_paranoid

[Flash68]

Makes me want to paint mine grey!

:thumbsup: :lol:

[Blake Foster]

the location of the photos looks like a GREAT place to loose the brake rod retaining clip!!!:_paranoid :_paranoid

car looks great with the new wheels. what you doing with the others :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

Ha ha....this was on the other end of town. Every time I look at photos with the old wheels, I'm not sold on the new ones..... So they'll just be garage ornaments until I decide to road trip the car or change the widths and stick some r888's on them. This car literally went from driving on an icy road with the pilot sports to hooking it in 1st gear at close to full throttle. I can't believe it. Are you bringing out a car for Sema this year?

[tones2SS]

The car looks sweet Todd.

You said it Wayne. Todd's car is killer.:cheers:

[Flash68]

Todd, when you gonna slap some drag radials on there and run a 1/4 mile? :woot:

[DOOM]

Ha ha....this was on the other end of town. Every time I look at photos with the old wheels, I'm not sold on the new ones..... So they'll just be garage ornaments until I decide to road trip the car or change the widths and stick some r888's on them. This car literally went from driving on an icy road with the pilot sports to hooking it in 1st gear at close to full throttle. I can't believe it. Are you bringing out a car for Sema this year?

Man Todd I like the old wheels on that car.. But you have to go with what works...

[Vegas69]

They started out as race wheels, but once I got a taste of the traction it's hard to go back. I like them both for different reasons. I can always slap some r888's on the bozes if I change my mind. I think these things will hook really well at the drag strip. I can pretty much mat it on clean pavement now and it hooks good.:thumbsup:

[BBC71Nova]

When you gonna get that thing to the strip anyways :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

When it's less than 105. LOL More than likely this fall.

[89 RS]

Looks great Todd! Man those wheels are just killer. Always look forward seeing what tweaks you do.

[Rybar]

Does look awesome Todd. I personally like the Boze wheels better myself.

[tones2SS]

I agree with Ryan. But, still looks killer with the Forgelines as well.:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Thanks alot guys....:( One day I like one set and the next the other. It's a good thing I have two sets!

[Matt@BOS]

Hey, I never realized you had a chromed rear bumper and a painted front. I was thinking of that look myself, but couldn't think of any cars that I thought really pulled it off until I saw your car

Since it looks like my Camaro's bound for SEMA, I suppose a bonus to the trip will be seeing "Payback." maybe the Best of Show guys could be convinced to paint the front bumper...

and I know everyone's already said it, but you did a great job on that car, its beautiful.

Matt

[Vegas69]

Thank you sir....I can't believe your car is going to make it since I just looked at your thread. Car is looking great. Are you running the optima challenge?

[Matt@BOS]

Nah, we haven't really thought about the Optima challenge. As cool as it would be, I think there will definitely be cars out much more suited for event. Cars that have got some miles on them, and are sorted out. Not to mention the fact that any of the eligible drivers, might be in need some serious performance driving lessons before hand :lol:

I'd like to see your car out on the track come November though. I'm sure it could throw down with the best of them.

[Vegas69]

I'm with you, the driver would be my biggest handicap. I'm preparing for the event but I'll have to be sponsored. I guess they already have enough 1st gens. Imagine that. :unibrow: I'm getting on that track regardless. I really want to go to the driving school if my schedule allows it.

[clay69camaro]

Nice car

[Vegas69]

I was supposed to run another autocross tonight but it pissed all day up until about 2 pm. I looked at the forecast and they said 70 percent chance of rain about an hour before I had to leave. So I skipped the race since it was 45 minutes each way and I didn't want to destroy my clean car. Of course it didn't rain a drop. So I went out on a lonely desert road and just beat the piss out of my car.:D 0-60 0-100 130mph sprint 75-0 etc. Pretty sure I had more fun than the autocross would have been. That's the most fun I've had with my shorts on in a while.

I also added two loops to my vent hose and that seems to have fixed the discharge at close to full tank. I changed the squirters on the carb to the next smaller size and it's never run better. It's super crisp. Car is a flippin beast. It just plain rips.

[Flash68]

Awesome Todd. That sounds like my type of hot rodding. Just go find a nice road and hammertime. :D

You should get one of those RaceLogic Performance Boxes (P-Box) and time your 0-60, 0-100, 60-130, etc. I got one and will get some numbers on the Camaro when it's done. I got it for the Porsche since everyone in the modded Porsche world compares their 60-130 times. It allow an apples to apples comparison and takes traction issues out of the equation like with a 0-60. I wanna see how some nicely modded musclecars compare to the quicker times for comparison.

It really is a cool little device. I got a slightly used one for about $400.

http://www.performancebox.co.uk/overview.html

[Vegas69]

I was thinking the same thing but didn't know what to buy. Traction is really good now. I just have to ease into the throttle when I drop the clutch in first and it's good to go. I only overspun the tires once launching. I'll put that cool device on the list.

[tones2SS]

Good to hear Todd. That car is a flipping beast. I love it.
Keep us posted bud!:cheers:

[Vegas69]

I'm preparing for my first road course event this Saturday. I'll be running the 3.2 mile loop out at spring mountain ranch in Pahrump where the Optima challenge is held. I need to get my accumulator plumbed and working, at least one tow hook made, and a couple other miscelaneous things before Saturday to pass tech. I was hoping to have my oil cooler set up done before my first event. I've been in touch with Ron Davis but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'll just have to run hard and pull off the track and watch my temps. Once the accumlator is working ,I'll have 10 quarts of oil in the system so that should help some until I figure out exactly what direction to go with the oil cooler.

I've decided I like the original look of the car better. It's just to damn black with the new wheels and I like the 19" wheel out back. I've been kicking around narrowing my rear bozes and widining the fronts and sticking r888 rubber on them as well.:rolleyes: I just can't bring myself to bolt the bozes back on with those pilot sports. They just have no grip compared to the r888's.

[awr68]

Have a great time Todd! I made it out to Spring Mountain last year....VERY nice place!! :cheers:

[Lenie]

I myself am really partial to the 19's although they both look good. Good luck with the road course.

[Flash68]

3.2 mile road course sounds like a blast! I prefer the Bozes on your car too. :yes: Altho the tread pattern of the R888 is visually stimulating. :)

[1in1969]

How about painting/powder coating the centers on your Forgelines? Silver or light Charcoal? Just a thought. Car looks great BTW! Shawn

[Rybar]

Todd, that sounds like a ton of fun. So what is all needed to pass tech inspection on a road course like Spring Mountain?

[Payton King]

They really pop against the black...in pictures anyway.

I know there is a better selection on rubber in the 18 sizes, but I like the look of an 18 front, 19 rear on a 69. One of the reasons I have not changed mine out yet.

I would like to see your race wheels in a full polish.

[Vegas69]

They were really intended to be "Race" wheels until I got the taste of some real traction. I'll throw the Boze's back on after the race this weekend.

To pass tech for this sanctioning body in particular:

Snell 2000 an up helmet
Fire suit 3.2 A/1
Neck collar 3.2 A/1
Extinguisher bolted to the car within reach and over 2lbs (Specified Chemicals)
Roll bar minimum of 1.75" for my weight(Roll bar not required but must be porper size
Tow hook front or back


Since they mandate a maximum tire width of 285 in the street class, I had to go to the modified class. That brought a few extra rules into play. Here are the rest of the rules. http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/Uploads/RedlineTimeAttackRules.pdf

[waynieZ]

Good Luck Todd sounds like your living the good life now . All your hard work is paying off. I like the Boze wheels too.

[tones2SS]

They really pop against the black...in pictures anyway.

I know there is a better selection on rubber in the 18 sizes, but I like the look of an 18 front, 19 rear on a 69. One of the reasons I have not changed mine out yet.

I would like to see your race wheels in a full polish.

I agree. The Boze really did "pop" against the black.

[rogue]

I'm preparing for my first road course event this Saturday. I'll be running the 3.2 mile loop out at spring mountain ranch in Pahrump where the Optima challenge is held. I need to get my accumulator plumbed and working, at least one tow hook made, and a couple other miscelaneous things before Saturday to pass tech. I was hoping to have my oil cooler set up done before my first event. I've been in touch with Ron Davis but haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'll just have to run hard and pull off the track and watch my temps. Once the accumlator is working ,I'll have 10 quarts of oil in the system so that should help some until I figure out exactly what direction to go with the oil cooler.

I've decided I like the original look of the car better. It's just to damn black with the new wheels and I like the 19" wheel out back. I've been kicking around narrowing my rear bozes and widining the fronts and sticking r888 rubber on them as well.:rolleyes: I just can't bring myself to bolt the bozes back on with those pilot sports. They just have no grip compared to the r888's.

I highly suggest running your first few events on the Pilot Sports. New drivers shouldn't be learning on R-Comps. It will be a crutch for you and you wont be getting an accurate idea of the limits of your car, your driving and grip. Then again I don't know what your racing experience is....

I think a lot of people in the pro-touring world have a tendency to overthink speed parts, mods etc. Go out there and have fun. Once you get lapped by a 123rwhp miata you'll realize that your car, its parts, and all the engineering you've done don't mean a thing. Its all driver skill. Seat time is the best investment you can make...

Start attending more HPDE events. That said I'd like to drive out to Vegas and run Spring mountain with you one day... :thumbsup:

[rogue]

how has this car not been featured in a mag yet?

Seems the mags are focused so much on LSX based cars right now... yawnnn...:faint:

[Vegas69]

No way man....I want my grip and 275's up front. :D My main goal this weekend is to get a feel for road racing. They are supposed to have some instructors handy for a ride along. If I'm hooked, I'll spend the money on their driving school. You should, it's supposed to be one of the best tracks around.

[rogue]

No way man....I want my grip and 275's up front. :D My main goal this weekend is to get a feel for road racing. They are supposed to have some instructors handy for a ride along. If I'm hooked, I'll spend the money on their driving school. You should, it's supposed to be one of the best tracks around.

Its not a question of IF you'll be hooked, you will be. The only problem I forsee is your pretty expensive paint job. You might want to clear bra the hell out of that car if you haven't already. I expect my car to be paintless by the end of next year from so many rock chips at the track. Dick Guldstrand told me that if you're not sliding off the track you're not driving fast enough so be prepared for that as well :lol:

Go out and get a bunch of seat time and instruction, its an absolute blast. I'd love to see another pro-touring car actually out at HPDE events ripping it up. I'm a little bit sick of these $100k pro-touring cars 'racing' at 35mph autocross events...

Drive your damn cars folks, thats why we built them like we did :thumbsup:

I should have my tremec in by then. Their safety requirements are a bit more than the group I normally run with. Firesuit, neck collar, roll bar? I guess thats because of the class they're forcing you to run in.

I'll keep an eye out for events up that direction. I typically run with Speedventures.

http://www.speedventures.com/events/Default.aspx

Every time I've gone out, I've invited everyone on both forums, and not once has a single car shown up. Trailer queens :_paranoid

We should have a big block shootout :willy:

[fleetus macmullitz]

How about painting/powder coating the centers on your Forgelines? Silver or light Charcoal? Just a thought. Car looks great BTW! Shawn

Or the whole wheel.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Wheels/DSC1242sized.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3364/superspokehires.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/superspokehires.jpg/)

[tones2SS]

how has this car not been featured in a mag yet?

I have to ask this question again myself.
What a killer car. Now that Todd's being messing around with the auto-x, we know that it can talk the talk and walk the walk. Great car Todd.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Vegas69]

Forgelines won't be changing. I like the wheels alot, but they are my track look. I modeled the car after the boze wheels. I have clear bra'd behind both wheels up to the crease in the body. Not everyone has the ambition to race and they may not have built their car for that purpose. That wasn't my original intention when the project started. I've just come to the realization that I have waaaay to much performance for the street to appreciate safely. Now I'm making the changes needed to make the car as reliable and predictable on the track as I want it to be. I always wanted to get into circle track racing later in life. This may be the precurser to that or a faster form of road course racing. I'm not afraid to get some chips in the car since it already has plenty from running around town. Paint can be fixed or refreshed. I built it to drive! Last time I checked, that was the intended purpose of a car. :D You will see me in California eventually. I do want to trailer it that far in case of weather or a mechanical problem.

As far as the magazine deal goes, I haven't sent one photo to anyone but Steve Rupp in the construction phase. Steve said he would shoot it eventually and it just gets better and has more history everyday. I 'd rather it was down the road after I've run some road course events as so on. That wasn't the reason I built the car and I can care less about car shows and showing it off. The biggest car show in Nevada is this weekend and I'm racing. I also turned down a spot at a recent indoor car show at a local strip casino. It's probably to late, but I wouldn't be interested in a Sema spot at this point either. I'd rather she was sitting cozy in my garage where I may have the chance to drive! Now if it got me into teh optima challenge I'd have to suck it up. LOL

[Tom.A]

Good luck at Pahrump.
I hope you get invited to the Optima challenge. Last year was great event to watch but the 40 car field was a little soft.....ie; I could do without Barry White driving a Ford crossover :rolleyes: I think they hoped to get more cars and in the end they were left with some seat fillers. Hopefully they will select a full 40 cars like yours that are geared for this type of event:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Good luck at Pahrump.
I hope you get invited to the Optima challenge.

Agreed, it really should be there.:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I'm already trying to work the back up deal with Jimi with Optima. I'll probably just show up and if a spot needs filled. :D His exact words to me were " We already have enough 1st gen camaros in the field". :rofl:

[fleetus macmullitz]

" We already have enough 1st gen camaros in the field". :rofl:

That's impossible. :mad:

Once properly educated, 1st gens will become the vehicle of choice for every licensed driver.

:D

[tones2SS]

That's impossible. :mad:

Once properly educated, 1st gens will become the vehicle of choice for every licensed driver.

:D

Nice Skip!!! lol :lol: :cheers:

[Vegas69]

The road course thrash has been on all week. I won't run a road course without an accumulator. (Poor mans dry sump) An accumulator will provide up to 5 seconds of oil pressure if the oil pump pick up is uncovered in a high g corner. After watching video at spring mountain, I know they have many 3-5 second high g corners. The accumulator holds 3 quarts and has a piston that reacts instantly when I turn the valve on. I won't use it on the street. I'll have to turn the valve off while running to store the 3 quarts. I can also prime my engine by opening the valve before start up. Pretty cool piece. It's frickin huge though. I had no choice but to mount in on the inner fender. I like the race look of it.

I plumbed it into the pressure side of the oil system. I found a trick three way an fitting from earls that allowed me to plumb it in on the return side of the filter.

I had some tow hooks water jetted as they were needed for tech. They are probably a little over kill but I figured I'll use them to tie down the car once I get my enclosed trailer.

I'm about an hour or two away from being ready to haul some ass around spring mountain raceway. It's going to be crazy. From what I hear, speeds in the 130-150 are obtainable down at least one straigtaway.

It's a frickin pig right now. I haven't wiped down the frame and so on for a while.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/002-5.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/004.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/008-1.jpg

[Flash68]

that ACCUMULATOR is the pig! that thing is gargantuan. :wow:

[Vegas69]

I ain't facken around here. LOL I don't want my oil pressure gauge pegging zero Saturday.

[Flash68]

Why don't you take that big ass Moroso sticker off there and keep the engine bay looking super clean! Or is that not a sticker? :_paranoid

[Vegas69]

It wasn't high on the racing checklist. :rofl:

[Flash68]

why don't you put an equally big sticker on the valve covers that say:

VALVE COVERS

:D

[Vegas69]

I'm trying to edumacate a few fellers around here. Evidentally barbeque flash dance knows it all. That was wrong, but really funny. :rofl: I'm sure the sticker is coming off, just not today or tomorrow. I've been working on a few to many squats getting off and on my creeper! You wouldn't know since your paying somebody else to cuss like a sailor. I do like your valve cover idea. I may actually get some vinyl stickers that say 1969 Camaro for the doors. :rofl: What happended to my thread? No wonder I can't ever find anything in my thread!

[Flash68]

I'm trying to edumacate a few fellers around here. Evidentally barbeque flash dance knows it all. That was wrong, but really funny. :rofl: I'm sure the sticker is coming off, just not today or tomorrow. I've been working on a few to many squats getting off and on my creeper! You wouldn't know since your paying somebody else to cuss like a sailor. I do like your valve cover idea. I may actually get some vinyl stickers that say 1969 Camaro for the doors. :rofl: What happended to my thread? No wonder I can't ever find anything in my thread!

Hey Toddy... don't be a little biatch. If it's past your bedtime, then go to bed! :lol:

[Vegas69]

Good idea....I'll be back at you after the race!:cheers:

[Flash68]

Good idea....I'll be back at you after the race!:cheers:

Sweet. Give em some big block hell. :woot:

[Bow Tie 67]

Dick Guldstrand told me that if you're not sliding off the track you're not driving fast enough so be prepared for that as well :lol:

Go out and get a bunch of seat time and instruction, its an absolute blast. I'd love to see another pro-touring car actually out at HPDE events ripping it up. I'm a little bit sick of these $100k pro-touring cars 'racing' at 35mph autocross events...

Drive your damn cars folks, thats why we built them like we did :thumbsup:

:


Amen, brother. ^^^^^^

Todd, I agree with rogue and the street tires first. I know the pilots suck, I have the same tires, but with them you can drive the car up to and beyond the limit to get a true feel for the car. My fastest laps have always been right after an off track excursion. With the R888, I have them also, they can mask driving error and give, at least for me, a sense of being super man. I have only used the r compound at two events. I am a little nervous at finding there limit, as I know it will be at a much higher speed and pucker factor. Learn to drive the car first, then compliment your skills with better tires.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'm trying to edumacate a few fellers around here. Evidentally barbeque flash dance knows it all.

Wow! Even the normally very tough Russian judge gave a 10.0 mark for that fine beatdown and dismount off of Flash's head. :wow:

[tones2SS]

Thanks for posting Todd and explaining all that. I appreciate and follow this thread closely as it is very relative as to how I want to build my car.:thumbsup: :cheers:
(I know, I know,...great minds think alike!!!) lol:rofl:

[89 RS]

why don't you put an equally big sticker on the valve covers that say:

VALVE COVERS

:D

I'm trying to edumacate a few fellers around here. Evidentally barbeque flash dance knows it all. That was wrong, but really funny. :rofl: I'm sure the sticker is coming off, just not today or tomorrow. I've been working on a few to many squats getting off and on my creeper! You wouldn't know since your paying somebody else to cuss like a sailor. I do like your valve cover idea. I may actually get some vinyl stickers that say 1969 Camaro for the doors. :rofl: What happended to my thread? No wonder I can't ever find anything in my thread!

:rofl: ....You guys are something else. On a serious note, that is some good stuff you did to your car Todd. Can't wait to hear how everything goes.

[Vegas69]

Ya...I harrass these guys just like my buddies around here.

I understand your theory bowtie. I'm sure it's the best way but I feel safer on my R compounds. My other set is a 255/345 stagger. It works great on the street, but not so much on the track. The car is so much more predictable with these wheels and tires. It's my first time so I hope to be a little conservative. :_paranoid She's all ready to go. That accumulator is a pretty cool deal. I'm up at 5 AM to go over the hump to Pahrump and give it hell. I'm pretty sure I'm taking half the garage!

[waynieZ]

Good luck tomorrow Todd. Have some fun for me...

[rogue]

Ya...I harrass these guys just like my buddies around here.

I understand your theory bowtie. I'm sure it's the best way but I feel safer on my R compounds. My other set is a 255/345 stagger. It works great on the street, but not so much on the track. The car is so much more predictable with these wheels and tires. It's my first time so I hope to be a little conservative. :_paranoid She's all ready to go. That accumulator is a pretty cool deal. I'm up at 5 AM to go over the hump to Pahrump and give it hell. I'm pretty sure I'm taking half the garage!

scary words... read them again. R-Comps won't talk to you like street tires, you will end up sliding off the track before you know it. They don't give a driver feedback at the edge of grip. I learned this lesson many times over myself with my car, and I'm SO glad I have a single stage earl sheib job. Just trying to keep your nice shiny paint job shiny and save a fellow Lateral-G member some heartache.

This is the last time I'll mention it I promise. :yes:

Good luck out there regardless of what you choose to run. Have fun!

[68protouring454]

I will disagree to an extent. toyo r888 have great grip but they are not in anyway shape or form dot slick tires, the offer really good feedback and are merely a sticky street tire, can be used in all weather.
I have driven every track day i have done with them, they give you confidence, but yet screech when nearing limit and come back quite nicely when you turn down the wic some.
while comparing to pilot sport II's they are day and night, but there are a few street tires that stay up with the toyos in short track burst's up to 10-15 mins, after that the toyos will hold much better.
just creep up on the edge as the day goes on, and you will be all good.