Project "Payback" [Archive] - Page 10

Vegas69

06-26-2011, 09:38 PM

As many of you know, I've been fighting some pretty wicked brake pad knockback since I built the car. Part of dealing with it this long is do to procrastination:D , but it was mostly due to figuring out an economical solution that didn't have to many side effects. Like a full floating rear end that needs serviced way to often, loss of my internal parking brake(Which I really like and use), looked good, and didn't break the bank.(I've already got to much money tied up in this car. :lol:

Big thanks go out to Dustin Burr at Wilwood engineering. We talked and came up with an economical solution. What I did was adapt a GM metric caliper fitment to the rear of my car. A metric caliper came on the front of a boat load of cars from 68 on up. Wilwood just came out with their own version that looks great and maches my fronts well. This is a floating caliper design. It was important that I kept the e brake set up but Wilwood doesn't make a bracket to adapt this caliper to there parking brake set up. Dustin hinted around about a company that does and I have to keep that a secret. They don't normally sell this bracket individually so we'll just leave it at that.

This is as step DOWN in brake performance. Meaning, full out road racing and heat disipation. I stepped down to a 12.2" x .81 rotor. (Old was 12.98 x 1.01)They offer the caliper in 3 piston diameters. I picked a diameter slightly smaller than what I had before. My thought was that I feel most of these cars are built with larger brakes than needed out back. Take a look at any Corvette, minus the c6 z06. It's only 30% of the braking. I feel it will meet the needs of my car. I don't endurance race.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes002.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes001.jpg

As usual, when you put your own swing on things, it comes with it's problems. Just a couple little things to make it work. The brackets I sourced were to tight to fit over the caliper so I had to clearance them and come up with my own spec of how loose I wanted them. A steel bracket and aluminum caliper made me a little nervous due to the difference in expansion rates. I settled on .015 as a minimum on each side. I was really scratching my head mounting up these brackets. I knew the spacing was wrong. Turns out they forgot to send the spacers and hardware with the brackets. Once I recieved teh missing link, things went well. I didi find the center mounting bolt to pass into the e brake slide so I ground the bolts down about 1/8 so the e brake shoes could move as designed.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes003.jpg
I'm really happy with how they look. I took her out for a ride tonight and it stops great. The pedal is high and hard. I put it through the paces that would've induced the pedal drop in the past and I was only able to detect a hint of knockback. If the track results back this up. I'm going to be a happy dude! I'll report back after my next event.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes010.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes009.jpg

Spiffav8

06-27-2011, 12:24 AM

Hope that solves the issue once and for all. Be interested in hearing the after action report on this fix.

Way to keep after it brother.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

coolwelder62

06-27-2011, 05:42 AM

Good luck,At your next racng event.:thumbsup:

96z28ss

06-27-2011, 01:49 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes003.jpg

So was Kelly helping you, or are you one of those guys that don't like to get his hands dirty?

06-27-2011, 01:54 PM

Is this a single, dual, or four piston caliper?

Flash68

06-27-2011, 01:54 PM

The continued pursuit of perfection.... :thumbsup:

Vegas69

06-27-2011, 05:30 PM

So was Kelly helping you, or are you one of those guys that don't like to get his hands dirty?

Hey man, I like getting greasy like the next guy. It's just a little embarassing having greasy finger nails when you are supposed to be a professional.

Is this a single, dual, or four piston caliper?

It's available in 3 piston volumes. The smaller calipers have 2 pistons while the largest is a single bore. It's floating so no pistons on the outside.

Ron in SoCal

06-27-2011, 05:43 PM

Great upgrades and I hope it cures the problem Todd. It's a floater so it should. Good looking caliper IMO too. I also would think 3 laps around RTTC would not create a heat/brake fade issue, but longer sessions (20 min SOW) maybe?

Gaetano should chime in here; he told me his rotors 'pop' during cool down sessions...

Vegas69

06-27-2011, 06:03 PM

It's all speculation at this point. All I know is, anything is better than what I had.... Until you experience serious knockback on the track, it's really hard to understand. It throws off your timing and greatly decreases brake performance. I still think the fronts will fade before the rear. Remember, braking is 70% front, 30% rear. I don't have any intentions to run past about 15-20 minutes on an open track. My car simply isn't engineered to go any longer than that anyway.

tones2SS

06-27-2011, 06:04 PM

Hopefully this fixes your brake problem. Good luck!

GregWeld

06-27-2011, 08:11 PM

Hey man, I like getting greasy like the next guy. It's just a little embarassing having greasy finger nails when you are supposed to be a professional.

REALLY?? That's never been an issue for me...

EEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA:woot: :lol:

Vegas69

06-27-2011, 08:24 PM

We really need a few more smilies around here... :D

waynieZ

06-27-2011, 08:43 PM

I hope it works out for you Todd, you put plenty of work into getting it right. Are those calipers comparable in size to the regular C6 calipers?

DRJDVM's '69

06-27-2011, 10:57 PM

GregWeld

06-28-2011, 06:15 AM

Well I welded in my Airbar and now you have me all freaked out....thanks :)

Was the plate welded all the way around the perimeter or just in certain spots? I noticed that the bolt holes were open....

The Airbar is a bolt in deal too.....its held in by 10 self tapping bolts....

I'm no engineer, but can anyone honestly tell me that 10 self tapping bolts into thin ass original frame rails would have held up any better? I would think that they would have just ripped out of the frame

So....looks like I'll be adding some extra support.......

You'd have to actually drive it... and have 600+ HP.... and big azz sticky tires... and track the crap out of it... so if you have all that going for you... then you "might" break your frame.

GregWeld

06-28-2011, 06:32 AM

Well I welded in my Airbar and now you have me all freaked out....thanks :)

Was the plate welded all the way around the perimeter or just in certain spots? I noticed that the bolt holes were open....

The Airbar is a bolt in deal too.....its held in by 10 self tapping bolts....

I'm no engineer, but can anyone honestly tell me that 10 self tapping bolts into thin ass original frame rails would have held up any better? I would think that they would have just ripped out of the frame

So....looks like I'll be adding some extra support.......

NED -- Here's what you SHOULD BE worried about.... Watch ALL the video. :woot:

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Vegas69

06-28-2011, 08:25 AM

Well I welded in my Airbar and now you have me all freaked out....thanks :)

Was the plate welded all the way around the perimeter or just in certain spots? I noticed that the bolt holes were open....

The Airbar is a bolt in deal too.....its held in by 10 self tapping bolts....

I'm no engineer, but can anyone honestly tell me that 10 self tapping bolts into thin ass original frame rails would have held up any better? I would think that they would have just ripped out of the frame

So....looks like I'll be adding some extra support.......

I'd add frame gussets now since you are in fabrication stage. I have some brackets being cut and they will be welded in this week. I'll take some photos of the finished product. I don't like the sharp points this cradle was designed with. They could've easily been half moon shaped. That being said, with the way I've driven the car, it's not the end of the world.

BBC69Camaro

06-28-2011, 08:34 AM

DRJDVM's '69

06-28-2011, 08:59 AM

Yeah yeah....by the time I'm done with the car, the frame will have melted away from global warming...:)

I will have close to 600 HP....335 in rear but not as sticky of a tire....and the car will get abused but not nearly what Todd does I'm sure..

All last night I was trying to come up with plans for gussets or other braces to act as a counterforce for the bracket pulling on the frame etc. I think that at the minimum I'll add a plate to the outside of the frame that extends past the ends of the bracket.

Todd...yours is the g-bar? The pix I pulled up look like a different design than is under your car but I may be wrong. I pulled it up online to get a more global view of where the system attaches and spreads the load.

One thing I did notice is that the Airbar system frame bracket has longer horns on each side of where the tube attaches to the frame plate. The g-bar and g-link have those attachements pretty close to the ends of the frame bracket.

Ron in SoCal

06-28-2011, 09:17 AM

Sorry to hear about your cracks in the rear frame-rails Todd. Looks like you have a good fix in boxing up the other 2 sides. :thumbsup:

Guess that is another another thing to add to my to-do list. I always wondered given how thing the rear frame-rails are what it would take to break them.

Good point. And then we freaks add to the problem by mini-tubbing our cars and cutting right into that weak point. When I looked at cutting into the frame rails, I said F'that and had 1/4" steel plate put into the thin area. This may come back to bite me, as now the flex will be transfeered to the weak, non-reinforced frame rail area. I guess if that happens I'll be calling Todd to fax me a template...:yes:

Vegas69

06-28-2011, 09:45 AM

Ned, my G Bar is an Air Bar with varishocks. Simple as that. The design for the Cuda is likely different to some degree. Once I get the brackets and they are welded, I'll post it up to jog your mind.

Ron, You are running the quadralink which is a big difference in design. It has a panhard bar vs. triangulated upper links. I haven't seen anybody break a frame yet with a DSE set up. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened but it seems to be a more natural design for the frame rails. That would be the area you need to keep an eye on... I doubt you have any problems but it you do, congratulations. That means you have put many a beating on that purty car. :D

DRJDVM's '69

06-28-2011, 11:54 AM

With the AirBar for my car, the front section of the tube that has the upper forward link bracket attaches to the floor rather than have a bar that goes all the way across.... they supply plates to go inside the car to spread the load. The first design they had used small L plates and some people ripped their floors....so they made them bigger and all one piece.... I reinforced mine and made them even bigger

The G-bar has a crossmember tube that goes all the way from frame bracket to frame bracket for both the shock and the UCA, right? Mine doesnt... yet :)

rwhite692

06-28-2011, 04:26 PM

Ned I don't think you have anything to worry about, whatsoever, with the way yours is welded in. You'd probably be pulling 2Gs and snap an axle shaft off before you would move that thing, LOL

*Edit* and, if you change those mounts and then as a result we have to make some new brackets for your exhaust....I'll kill you.

rwhite692

06-28-2011, 04:42 PM

[quote=GregWeld;356615]NED -- Here's what you SHOULD BE worried about.... Watch ALL the video. :woot:

LOL! Not many truck frames get bent in THAT direction!

rwhite692

06-28-2011, 05:02 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/BackBrakes009.jpg

Todd I agree 100% w/regard to rear brakes (30% of the equation) and this should be a very effective solution for your knockback issues.

Floating calipers exist in the OEM realm for a reason, after all.

I wonder how long it will take before Wilwood, Baer, etc, bring a large-format floating caliper configuration to the market, since many people clearly want really large rear brake setups for various (mostly aesthetic) reasons.

But then again, how many folks actually track their cars, and become concerned with knockback....

Vegas69

06-28-2011, 05:42 PM

That was my thought as well, you look at 95% of factory cars and they have a floating caliper out back. Most have them up front as well. The C5 Z06 had a floating rear caliper and the C6 still does. Good enough for me...

rwhite692

06-28-2011, 08:15 PM

Todd, Unless I'm mistaken, re: the current corvette (06-up) Z06 rears, I believe they are fixed mount? The "base" car Z51 are floater style, though.

Vegas69

06-28-2011, 08:24 PM

Yep, re read my post....:D

rwhite692

06-28-2011, 08:45 PM

Yep, re read my post....:D

Well, yeah, LOL you could read that either way...

JKnight

06-29-2011, 10:10 AM

I used a similar rationale when I chose the C5 Z06 rears. That's turned out well because the braking has been really good with no noticable knockback.

Vegas69

06-29-2011, 04:55 PM

I dropped the old girl off at JSL design & engineering yesterday morning to get the frame repaired. Couple good guys down there. Jim brought in his own Tig machine from his house to do the job. He's 65 and has been around the block a few times. He races karts all over the west coast and these things go 160 mph! He said his time at infinion was 4 seconds faster than the top qualifier in the Sprint Cup race last Sunday. Anyway, I stopped by today and he's got one side about 80% done. He still needs to add the gussets to the bottom front and inside front. He's really doing a really nice job and I feel good about the work. He said grinding out and merging the tig and mig welds has been the biggest challenge. It's always tough for me to give up the reigns. Should be done tomorrow. This ain't going to be cheap but I'm just not ready to start over out back with new frame rails and a different suspension system. I've spent way to much time finding the feel with this setup that I desire. Then I get into tearing up my trunk, fuel system is in the way, have to find the balance again.....
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/photo.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/photo1.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/photo3.jpg

70rs

06-29-2011, 05:53 PM

Nice to know its in good hands Todd. You'lk be thrashing her again in no time.:thumbsup:

skatinjay27

06-29-2011, 06:05 PM

those are some sheety pics mang! makes it look more like melted lead than some stacked tig beads!haha

Ron in SoCal

06-29-2011, 06:05 PM

It looks good Todd. I wouldn't have started over either if I had your time slips. Hopefully the tab doesn't sting too much...!

GregWeld

06-29-2011, 06:48 PM

Personally I hope it costs a small fortune... that way he'll get off my butt about the '32...

EEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

When he says it's a bitch to merge the two welds -- he's not kidding... my guess is that the MIG was done dirty... and it's now spitting and popping at him when he's trying to TIG over it. TIG does not play well with grease and dirt and old paint... And the crack - even ground out - is hiding all manor of yuck inside the "frame rails". Calling those "frame rails" is kinda like saying I'm tall. :rofl:

Vegas69

06-29-2011, 09:07 PM

:D Greg, you get wood on the ball once and a while. He said the mig welds were dirty and he had a spray bottle handy. :lol: It takes alot of finess to weld an 1/8" plate to .003 thick frame rails! If I ever build another, frame rails will be on the short list. These babies were cherry. I can't imagine some of the rails running around out there.

Pile of chit I phone for pics. Maybe it's just my nervous switch or you're used to my outstanding photography.

CrossRamRich

06-29-2011, 11:42 PM

:D [QUOTE=Vegas69;356552]We really need a few more smilies around here... How's this?:D :D :D

tones2SS

06-30-2011, 06:02 PM

Glad to see Payback getting repaired. She'll back on "track" again soon.
Good luck!

rwhite692

07-01-2011, 09:02 AM

Vegas69

07-01-2011, 09:34 PM

In all seriousness, they are probably .0625.

She's all patched up with 15 hours of repair. :willy: Jim did a fantastic job for me. Well worth the dinero. He used his break and formed the brackets so he could weld them to the cradle(away from the mig weld)and distribute some force over multiple points. It's not exactly how I planned but I gave him free reign since he was doing the fabrication. ;)

Got her back yesterday at 4 O'clock and went out and played with the proportioning valve a little and gave it a little hell to see how the repair felt. Brakes were incdredbile(got that light feeling) and the car just felt great doing some slalom. If I break this repair, it's time to back half the car. I'll be happy with equal service life to the original.

I'm happy to have a shope about 3 miles from the house with some REAL experience. :thumbsup:

I washed her up last night and laid a fresh coat of wax. Our water is so flipping hard, I HATE actually washing the car. I wash it, dry it, wipe it down with detailer, then I can wax it. I've tried the Mr. Clean deal and it helps but doesn't eliminate the problem. They don't call us the granite State for nothing.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Framerepair4.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Framerepair3.jpg

GregWeld

07-01-2011, 09:51 PM

Looks good Todd.

Hey -- Hard water? Get yourself a deionizer... Used to use that on the big boat. Kept the varnished teak rails all purdy... and the spots off the gelcoat. No drying - just wash it - then RINSE with the deionized water. It's the way all the big ballers roll. Surprised you don't have one! :unibrow:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11201522

Vegas69

07-01-2011, 09:55 PM

Thanks for nuttin...:lol:

GregWeld

07-01-2011, 10:03 PM

Call your Culligan man.... They can hook you up.

Vegas69

07-01-2011, 10:06 PM

I've got a water softener on the house and the previous owner actually ran cold and hot to the corner of the garage from the hot water heater. I'm just to damn dense to remember to get a flippin hose since I wash it about three times a year. (I'd rather bitch and moan):D

DOOM

07-02-2011, 06:43 AM

Todd..... It sounds like QUADRA LINK time..............:D

GregWeld

07-02-2011, 06:57 AM

Todd..... It sounds like QUADRA LINK time..............:D

YEAH! And I know a good shop that is very mechanically oriented... just a few miles south of me...

Stuart Adams

07-02-2011, 07:58 AM

Todd..... It sounds like QUADRA LINK time..............:D

Nothing like an obvious statement!! LOL. Car is cool.

Vegas69

07-02-2011, 09:04 AM

Todd..... It sounds like QUADRA LINK time..............:D

If I had it to do all over again... :yes:

I've got to much time finding the balance I like in this car with this set up. Not to mention the mods. (Brackets, rod ends, springs, tow hooks) I really think I'd have to play with sway bar tuning to find it with the quadralink. It would've been alot easier. Every car is different...

In fact, I had an offer this week from a very respected suspension manufacturer. They offered to give me a brand new rear suspension(Not even available yet), rear end housing, and brakes. They even promised to tune the car to perfection. I had to turn them down. I just don't want to start over at this point. :_paranoid I just want to drive, man....

Steve1968LS2

07-02-2011, 09:43 AM

So, is the frame fixed.. will you be in Fontana??? :)

Vegas69

07-02-2011, 09:49 AM

You kidding?:D My dirty girl wouldn't miss a beat down on that pretty penny. :drool:

Ron in SoCal

07-02-2011, 11:53 AM

If I had it to do all over again... :yes:

I've got to much time finding the balance I like in this car with this set up. Not to mention the mods. (Brackets, rod ends, springs, tow hooks) I really think I'd have to play with sway bar tuning to find it with the quadralink. It would've been alot easier. Every car is different...

In fact, I had an offer this week from a very respected suspension manufacturer. They offered to give me a brand new rear suspension(Not even available yet), rear end housing, and brakes. They even promised to tune the car to perfection. I had to turn them down. I just don't want to start over at this point. :_paranoid I just want to drive, man....

Was the 'respected suspension manufacturer' from Saudi Arabia? :lol:

Flash68

07-02-2011, 04:42 PM

In fact, I had an offer this week from a very respected suspension manufacturer. They offered to give me a brand new rear suspension(Not even available yet), rear end housing, and brakes. They even promised to tune the car to perfection. I had to turn them down. I just don't want to start over at this point. :_paranoid I just want to drive, man....

Now that is discipline... a weaker man would have caved.

Let that big dog eat.

mexMan

07-02-2011, 05:13 PM

Vegas, does Payback have a Torque Arm?

Vegas69

07-02-2011, 07:59 PM

No, it's a triangulated 4 link...

rogue

07-03-2011, 01:18 AM

You kidding?:D My dirty girl wouldn't miss a beat down on that pretty penny. :drool:

dity girl :lol:

ErikLS2

07-03-2011, 10:46 AM

In fact, I had an offer this week from a very respected suspension manufacturer. They offered to give me a brand new rear suspension(Not even available yet), rear end housing, and brakes. They even promised to tune the car to perfection. I had to turn them down. I just don't want to start over at this point. :_paranoid I just want to drive, man....

I happen to know someone with a 69 looking for a rear suspension for his car :lol:

After seeing what happened to yours that AME rear sub setup certainly looks appealing.

Vegas69

07-03-2011, 02:52 PM

dity girl :lol:

She's always up for a good time, lets me treat her anyway I like, and cleans up nice when she feels like it. :_paranoid :lol: She just wouldn't be happy being *****footed to car shows and washed every Sunday.

Vegas69

07-11-2011, 06:37 PM

Just got back from the Hotchkis/Baer/NMCA event in Fontana. Kelli and I had a great time. We drove in Friday afternoon and went out and met up with Cassanova and a few other guys to race some carts. I got there late and got in on the last race. They put me in the back and after a spin out and passing over half the field, all I needed was one more lap to get past Cassanova. :unibrow: :D We stayed about 10 miles from the track and Callahan came rolling in late and we had Payback, Motiv8r, and Carl's beauty all parked in the handicapped spots at the Holiday Inn over night. I figured they'd steal the bright red or carbon fiber one with air ride instead of mine, so I slept well. :D So well in fact, when I woke up, Carl and Larry were at the track. ha ha Anyway, On Saturday, I autocrossed and ran the Baer Speed stop challenge. I was one of the faster cars in both segments. The track was very loose and slick. New floating calipers are a vast improvement. I was on R888's so I ran exibition. Sorry, no go pro or photos at this time. Saturday evening, my car got shot by an un named magazine for a future feature. I spent about 2 hours detailing the car after a full day of racing. :willy: Anyway, that was a great experience and I can't wait to see the photos.

Sunday, we got up early enough to head over with Cassanova and stop an dget a bite to eat at some dive. I decided to drag race in the morning. Personally, autocross gets a little boring after a bunch of runs, so it's nice to mix it up. Like last time, I got thrown to the wolves. Sunday isn't the best day to just show up and run. I ended up having to bracket race again. I dialed in a hair below my Vegas strip time. My first run I spun like helland missed second gear for what felt like forever and got my aise whipped. So, I had to buy myself back into the deal. Second go around I spun again and luckily my competitor red lighted so I got to make a run for free the first time in my short drag race life. :D

I get matched up against another 69 Camaro with a ZL1. :thumbsup: This is a real drag car but.....the driver is a fine 18 year old chick. :faint: Daddy is a pro and we had a great conversation. She dials in at a 10.33 and I'm dialed at a 12.19. I finally burn out in 2nd gear and get the tires reasonably warm. The car launches similar to how it did in vegas. Still a miserable 60 foot time. It spins then it hooks good and really pulls some G's. Anyway, we both break out but she beats me to the line by .0037!!!!! for the win. That was an awesome race!

Fontana seemed to be a little greasier than Vegas but the air was a hair better. Rupp ran the day before and said the air was around 5k in elevation. I heard anywhere from 3400-4000 so who knows. Anyway, it was about 90 degrees. I was able to break into the 120mph range and gained 26.61 mph from the 1/8-1/4. Bottom line, getting out of the hole on road race tires ain't no cake walk. Rupp ran 11.47 at 124.xx on Micky Thompsons, a little more power, and about 300 lbs less weight. He's offered to let me borrow them. Probably break my car in half. :lol: Rupp, I'm ready to go heads up. :D

Car ran great all weekend. I missed more shifts this weekend than I've missed in all the previous events. It's time to adjust the clutch and I think the 600 is about fed up with me at this point. ha ha
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/FontanaDragSlip.jpg

rwhite692

07-11-2011, 07:04 PM

Now that sounds like a great weekend, Todd!!

GregWeld

07-11-2011, 07:55 PM

Good story Todd!

Think about this -- When I pit crewed for McCollough and Whipple in 1971 -- AA/FC -- they set the WORLD RECORD at 201 MPH.... and here you are going 120!! Pretty amazing if you ask me!

Glad you had a good time and didn't break anything (that we know of YET). :unibrow:

Tom.A

07-11-2011, 07:56 PM

The big block sounded really good on the speed stop challenge and I told you I thought you were sandbaggin with 12.19 :D Congrats. There were some real cards over at the strip when I went checked it out. I had flash backs of the old LACR in Palmdale.

Vegas69

07-11-2011, 09:04 PM

Ha Ha Greg, you know where I'll be looking first....

You were right Tom. I have broke out by less than a .1 both times I've been out. Breaking out means I'm getting faster. :thumbsup: I was launching at about 2200 in Fontana vs. 3000 rpm in Vegas. I have to put drag racing right up there with autocross.

People look at you with a blank stare when you tell them you drag raced, autocrossed, and ran a 0-xx-0 event in one weekend.

07-11-2011, 09:58 PM

Todd,

What did you run in the Baer stop challenge?

6D9

07-11-2011, 11:15 PM

Man sounds like a blast! I cant wait to someday do one of these events. Your car is an all around killer ride...:thumbsup:

Flash68

07-11-2011, 11:24 PM

Saturday evening, my car got shot by an un named magazine for a future feature. [/IMG]

About friggin time bro! :woot:

BBC69Camaro

07-12-2011, 07:21 AM

Nice Todd! Sounded like you had a blast, I'm very envious :unibrow:

Vegas69

07-12-2011, 07:45 AM

Todd,

What did you run in the Baer stop challenge?

Thanks guys...:cheers:

I ran a 7.99 on Saturday and I'm pretty sure I cooked my brake fluid on Saturday after 8 or so back to back runs. On Saturday, I was just hitting the rev limiter in 2nd and on Sunday I was getting into 3rd for a couple seconds. Brakes were just a little to spongy to pull off a better time. I did the same thing at RTTC running back to back to back,etc

WicKeD_SS

07-12-2011, 08:23 AM

Sounds like it was a fun race! Penny vs Payback..... Now that sounds like a bad ass race! To bad you live on the other side of the us, would love to see your car in action! Grats :thumbsup:

dhutton

07-16-2011, 04:11 PM

Hey Todd, just got my Super Chevy magazine and they're declaring you King of the weekend at Super Chevy Las Vegas. :thumbsup:

Congrats, good to see all that hard work really paying off.

Don

Vegas69

07-16-2011, 06:40 PM

Thanks for the heads up Don:cheers:

My question, when is everybody else around here going to start calling me King?:unibrow: If Super Chevy can do it, you can too.....:lol:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/SuperChevySept11issue.jpg

GregWeld

07-16-2011, 07:04 PM

:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: KING TODD:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

g356gear

07-16-2011, 07:24 PM

Feature soon!!!:thumbsup:

Vegas69

07-16-2011, 07:33 PM

:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: KING TODD:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

Somebody pinch me, I must be dreaming. :unibrow:

Am I the only one that can see Weld sitting in a REAL King's chair in front of his computer right now? :rofl: If it helps you visualize it, just remember his feet will be dangling. :lol:

waynieZ

07-16-2011, 07:56 PM

ALL HAIL TODD!!! ALL HAIL TODD!!! As in the little fuzzy guys from the locker in Men in black II. Thats awesome Todd ! Nice job.

56pickup

07-16-2011, 08:41 PM

King Todd! Sounds good to me! :thumbsup:

GregWeld

07-16-2011, 08:48 PM

You mean like this??

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Trip%20to%20Arizona/IMG_0525.jpg

Vegas69

07-16-2011, 09:01 PM

Yep, but I was thinking along the lines of a Burger King hat. :D

89 RS

07-16-2011, 11:47 PM

Congrats on the "crowning" Todd! That is a pretty cool accomplishment.

Greg from Aus

07-17-2011, 05:19 AM

You mean like this??

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Trip%20to%20Arizona/IMG_0525.jpg

Very funny.

Greg

Matt@BOS

07-17-2011, 10:54 AM

Dear King,

I have followed the build of your royal chariot extensively over the years, as it is similar to my own mode of on-track transportation. After seeing said car in person, I have an inquiry and slight request. Would it be possible to have to have one of your underlings provide me some data on your springs, i.e spring rates, and how high they are set on their respective coil over shocks. A picture would be superb. Try as I might to crank my springs higher, they seem to settle to the stance of the Noble Doctor Renner's low rider.

Sincerely,

Matt

GregWeld

07-17-2011, 11:15 AM

Does Doctor Renner still live? I thought maybe he'd gone off to jihadist school.

Matt@BOS

07-17-2011, 11:45 AM

Does Doctor Renner still live? I thought maybe he'd gone off to jihadist school.

Last I heard, from a secondary source, he had retreated to a remote sector of the Southwest (the Grand Canyon). Whether or not there is a Jihadist school over there remains to be seen. I am guessing he is only a threat to the staff at Source Interlink, and only if his demands for a new transmission are not met.

Matt

Flash68

07-17-2011, 02:16 PM

Todd, nice achievement buddy, but I'd heard somewhere you were already crowned King of the 24 Hr Fitness Gym here in the famous Castro District of San Francisco. Or was that just a nasty rumor? :_paranoid

coolwelder62

07-17-2011, 03:42 PM

WOW!! that's the folding chair I need for watching my son's baseball game's.I keep breaking the one my wife is buying at Target.:lol: Congrat's on being named the ( KING :thumbsup: ).Because of all your hard work,is why your camaro work's so well when head out to the track.:thumbsup:

RECOVERY ROOM

07-17-2011, 08:08 PM

Your always ICEMAN to me

RECOVERY ROOM

07-17-2011, 08:12 PM

You mean like this??

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Trip%20to%20Arizona/IMG_0525.jpg

They can laugh.... all you got to do is build a footstool out of stacks of 100 bills then see who's laughing. (that is a frickin funny pic.)

Vegas69

07-17-2011, 09:47 PM

I'm running for head presidential groundskeeper so I thought it was imperative that I respond to most of you...

Dear King,

I have followed the build of your royal chariot extensively over the years, as it is similar to my own mode of on-track transportation. After seeing said car in person, I have an inquiry and slight request. Would it be possible to have to have one of your underlings provide me some data on your springs, i.e spring rates, and how high they are set on their respective coil over shocks. A picture would be superb. Try as I might to crank my springs higher, they seem to settle to the stance of the Noble Doctor Renner's low rider.

Sincerely,

Matt

Matt, I run a 550 Hypercoil spring with about and extra 100 lbs on the nose. I had the same problem with 450's. Mine seemed to be coil binding... I don't miss that wrastlin match. I'll get you some photos when I get my lazy ass out to the garage and actually work on my ride.... It could be a while, it's a little toasty around here.....:faint:

Todd, nice achievement buddy, but I'd heard somewhere you were already crowned King of the 24 Hr Fitness Gym here in the famous Castro District of San Francisco. Or was that just a nasty rumor? :_paranoid

My aise is still chapped from that experience....:lol: The first time we met, I could've swore we'd met before? :rofl:

WOW!! that's the folding chair I need for watching my son's baseball game's.I keep breaking the one my wife is buying at Target.:lol: Congrat's on being named the ( KING :thumbsup: ).Because of all your hard work,is why your camaro work's so well when head out to the track.:thumbsup:

It's all driver, my car rides like a 1968 Chrysler Newport. :thumbsup:

Your always ICEMAN to me

Iceman got some bitches, but the King slays em...:_paranoid :unibrow: :rolleyes: :lol:

RECOVERY ROOM

07-18-2011, 08:01 AM

:hail: :hail: :hail:

cencalc6

07-18-2011, 09:44 AM

Nice job :cheers:

Flash68

07-18-2011, 09:53 AM

I'm running for head presidential groundskeeper so I thought it was imperative that I respond to most of you...

What a cock knocker! :lol:

Rybar

07-18-2011, 11:01 AM

Congrats Todd, that is really cool. So was there any restriction on the R-compound rubber or treadwear ratings at that event??

Vegas69

07-18-2011, 12:01 PM

Yep, Super Chevy events are 100 treadwear.

GregWeld

07-18-2011, 04:05 PM

Sorry dude.... I'm voting for the opposition.

You guys remember that thread?? :lol: :woot:

tones2SS

07-18-2011, 05:47 PM

Very cool Todd!
Uhhhhh,........I mean King! lol Congrats!:cheers:

Vegas69

07-20-2011, 07:05 PM

Sorry dude.... I'm voting for the opposition.

You guys remember that thread?? :lol: :woot:

Doug tells it better....:unibrow: It goes like this: I voted for the Vette, liked it better. :lol: Best part was how the guy took it all personal and got all pissed. :D Last time I checked it's a free country?

skatinjay27

07-20-2011, 07:25 PM

fine:
i voted for ron, liked him better.:P

nvr2fst

07-20-2011, 07:38 PM

Congrats on the win and the ink King Todd. Your quarter mile time was pretty good also.

Btw- every time I see that photo of Greg in the chair first thing that pops to mind is Napoleon looking over the masses.

Vegas69

07-20-2011, 08:55 PM

fine:
i voted for ron, liked him better.:P

I ain't giving up my crew chief without a fight. Especially to a liberal with an LS7. :D :lol: I lost your number when I got my Iphone. Send me a text..

Vegas69

07-20-2011, 08:57 PM

DFRESH

07-20-2011, 09:11 PM

Sorry dude.... I'm voting for the opposition.

You guys remember that thread?? :lol: :woot:

Man, that will always be one of my favorite Todd quotes---for sure--still laugh about that one---

"Dude, I gotta be honest, I voted for the Vette". LOL----:lol:

skatinjay27

07-21-2011, 01:13 AM

I ain't giving up my crew chief without a fight. Especially to a liberal with an LS7. :D :lol: I lost your number when I got my Iphone. Send me a text..will do.
I thought you were never gonna give up that razor! Lol
After I got my mytouch slide I wondered how I got by with a regular phone haha

skatinjay27

07-21-2011, 01:18 AM

Man, that will always be one of my favorite Todd quotes---for sure--still laugh about that one---

"Dude, I gotta be honest, I voted for the Vette". LOL----:lol:http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=250938&postcount=3

Ron in SoCal

07-21-2011, 08:49 AM

I ain't giving up my crew chief without a fight. Especially to a liberal with an LS7. :D :lol: I lost your number when I got my Iphone. Send me a text..

At least you got the LS7 part right...:D

WCBT-HC8MRg

Matt@BOS

07-21-2011, 09:22 AM

I ain't giving up my crew chief without a fight. Especially to a liberal with an LS7. :D :lol: I lost your number when I got my Iphone. Send me a text..

Liberal, with an LS7? Hell, I don't know if Ron qualifies as an American anymore. That video he posted won't load due to copyright laws in "my country," which either means Ron isn't actually an American, or California seceded from the U.S. after the time of posting, and without my knowledge. Either way, I can't see the video.

Matt

Ron in SoCal

07-21-2011, 09:50 AM

^ Copyright violations are about as American as one can get...:lol:

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/th_ReganCommercial.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/?action=view&current=ReganCommercial.mp4)

Vegas69

07-21-2011, 11:44 AM

Nice:thumbsup:

skatinjay27

07-21-2011, 12:00 PM

Nice:thumbsup:x2
whats even funnier is that having such an off topic video (to the main thread subject) fall right in line with the majority of this thread!:lol:

Vegas69

07-29-2011, 10:51 PM

It ain't no secret that I've hated the way my transmission has shifted since day one. Mainly a super notchy 2nd gear that has improved a little over time but not enough to make me happy. A TKO 600 just isn't a worthy race transmission in stock form. Down ****ing is like sticking your prick in a virgin. :lol:

There are a few shops that modify these things to make them shift up to 7-7500 rpm reliably. Liberty in Michigan and American Powertrain in Tennessee. Liberty wants about $750 plus freight both ways and American powertrain is around $1250 but they harden the parts to make them more durable. From my understanding, they only add upgraded synchros to 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear. Neither price includes a new shifter.

Since I do all kinds of racing with this thing, I'm replacing the brass synchros with carbon fiber empregnated synchros in 1-5. I've downshifted into 1st 2-3 times running misc. autocross events. See paragraph one. I figure while I have it apart, I may as well do them all. The carbon fiber synchros are $50 a piece.

I was hoping to find a red flag tearing this thing apart. I did find a broken spring retainer in the shifter but seriously doubt that's affecting anything. I ran it through the gears with the inspection cover removed. I noticed that second required the shift sleeve and synchro to move much farther to mesh than any other gear. These carbon fiber synchros are supposed to slow down the shaft more aggressively than the brass and aid in making the synchro and sleeve mesh faster. Everything is in excellent shape so far.

It really wasn't that difficult to dissasemble. I went out after dinner and had it out and apart in about 3 hours. You need to be careful because it's a needle bearing nightmare.(Especially in the 5th gear race) There are misc. shims beind bearing races that you need to be careful with. The front plug for the lower gear shaft is known to leak when they sit and mine did as well. It sets the preload on the bearing on that end and it will get glued back in to stop the leak. I am going to add a Pro 5.0 shifter with adjustable stops....

I'll be into this deal about $600 including synchros, shifter, gear oil, and sealer.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/TransTearDown001.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/TransTearDown004.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/TransTearDown005.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/TransTearDown006.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/TransTearDown011.jpg

Lenie

07-29-2011, 11:24 PM

Todd, if my transmission was out of the car sitting on a table apart in that condition it would scare the hell out of me! Kudo's to you for jumping in with both feet and taking care of business. I'll just sit here w/a beer in hand and applaud.:lol: :lol: :thumbsup: Nice work.

69x22

07-29-2011, 11:36 PM

You might want to hold off on the Bud Light till you get that thing back together.:cheers:

Vegas69

07-29-2011, 11:44 PM

Don't congratulate me yet. It's still got to go back together and work BETTER than before and not leak. :unibrow:

When I moved here back in 1999, I was an auto mechanic for GM. Two year degree, ASEP student apprentice, ASE master tech, the whole nine yards. I was 22 and landed a job at a GMC/Pontiac dealer. Anyway, I could do anything bumper to bumper. These guys in Vegas all had specialties and that's all they did. Brakes, interior, engines, alignments, trans, suspension etc. Premadonnas... I'd been there about a week and ripped the auto trans out of a firebird and tore it down for an overhaul. I ended up meeting one of my best buddies to this day that was a tech in that shop. I found out later that all the techs in the shop were placing bets on whether the car would ever move again. :rofl: It did...

Vegas69

07-29-2011, 11:46 PM

You might want to hold off on the Bud Light till you get that thing back together.:cheers:

You're right, I'll drink Corona's until it's back together. :cheers:

Track Junky

07-29-2011, 11:48 PM

$600 bones, not a bad deal. Pretty ballsy taking it upon yourself to do this so close to September.

Hope it works out bro, dont want to miss you in September.

I scheduled a Thunderhill trackday for August 12 to flog my car. I adjusted my watts link by matching it up with my rear leaf roll center yesterday and it feels alot better but really dont like the way the vette wheels feel out front. The turn in and the way the rest of the front suspension is reacting feels sketchy but I wont know until August 12 if its a good or a bad sketchy. Taking a set of my old torque thrusts with me to get a real feel for the difference.

DFRESH

07-30-2011, 12:01 AM

Way to go brother---inspiring for sure---no fear from you ever with tearing into it---i'm always amazed at your persistence and willingness to do it yourself.

Next, I'd like to see you repaint the car in a weekend---just a scuff and shoot. Just let me know before hand please. I'll bring the Apple Pie for that one.

D

Greg from Aus

07-30-2011, 03:46 AM

Great work Todd, nothing like grabbing the bull by the horns.

Greg

89 RS

07-30-2011, 10:06 AM

War

07-30-2011, 02:04 PM

Show off

Vegas69

07-30-2011, 02:17 PM

Show off

****, you are probably designing and making your own trans for your car.:D

Gandalf

07-30-2011, 04:13 PM

****, you are probably designing and making your own trans for your car.:D

Yeah - no kidding! Between the two of you and your skill-sets, I really do wonder what could be achieved.

And Todd, well, you just plain scare the bejesus out of me sometimes the way you take on these projects. A shifter, convertor, shift-kit and fluids - there, that's my trans repertoire! Always an inspiration man and appreciate you sharing your hard-core engineering. Icing on the cake that you go out and beat the snot out of it too.

Awesome!
Gregg

Vegas69

07-30-2011, 11:25 PM

Yeah - no kidding! Between the two of you and your skill-sets, I really do wonder what could be achieved.

And Todd, well, you just plain scare the bejesus out of me sometimes the way you take on these projects. A shifter, convertor, shift-kit and fluids - there, that's my trans repertoire! Always an inspiration man and appreciate you sharing your hard-core engineering. Icing on the cake that you go out and beat the snot out of it too.

Awesome!
Gregg

Thanks Gregg:cheers:

I'm a fair mechanic and a shade tree engineer, but Jason is a super star with fabrication. We both have one trait in common, we tend to overbuild and definitely over think. I've learned so much building this car. I know why Stielow has built 10 of them. I could build a better car. I'd rather enjoy this one.:thumbsup:

I ran a local SCCA merry go round tonight in my Audi S4. It's all wheel drive, super charged, blah blah blah, but it wasn't even close to the same. My car would've done very well on this short course tonight. I'm guessing in the 3 second range better. Sometimes I dislike the rawness of my car. Then I remember the beauty. I'm one with my car. I can feel EVERYTHING. A little tire slip, throttle response is there, right now!, brakes are gradual not touchy... Most of all, ain't nobody racing anything even close to as cool.

Flash68

07-31-2011, 09:54 AM

I'm a fair mechanic

A rare moment of you selling yourself short. :D Much better than fair my friend!

I could build a better car. I'd rather enjoy this one.:thumbsup:

And thank you for not building a different car that would undoubtedly smoke the rest of us. :thumbsup: :lol:

tones2SS

08-01-2011, 05:49 PM

Way to go brother---inspiring for sure---no fear from you ever with tearing into it---i'm always amazed at your persistence and willingness to do it yourself.

D

Man, you said Doug. Good for you Todd.
Good luck!

GregWeld

08-01-2011, 07:35 PM

Most of all, ain't nobody racing anything even close to as cool.

ZACKLY!:thumbsup: :hail: :cheers:

jjarky

08-01-2011, 08:46 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/TransTearDown011.jpg

Kudos man....theres no better feeling than putting something like that back together and it works!

"Needle bearing nightmare" :rofl:

frojoe

08-01-2011, 09:50 PM

Yeah - no kidding! Between the two of you and your skill-sets, I really do wonder what could be achieved.

I demand a "fab-off" competition. Imagine what kind of metal jewelery could emerge!

sweetstang68347

08-02-2011, 11:52 AM

I am going to add a Pro 5.0 shifter with adjustable stops....

I was looking at one of those shifters when I was installing my TKO-600. The vendor really steered me clear of them. The trans has internal stops and they are not needed. Thats what I was told. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I hope it turns out awesome. :thumbsup: I have never had any shifting problems with my trans. Are your shifting issues due to the increased rpm you're shifting at? I was wondering when they start to have issues. The highest I shift is usually 6,000 -6,500 rpm.

Vegas69

08-02-2011, 01:26 PM

I've also seen that info online. All the shops that modify them reccommend a shifter with stops. The internal stops are probably fine for 95%. When you race them, you tend to put things in a position of compromise. With the external stops, it's going to eliminate internal stop wear and possible over engagement.

sweetstang68347

08-02-2011, 04:28 PM

Are your shifting issues due to the increased rpm you're shifting at? I was wondering when they start to have issues. The highest I shift is usually 6,000 -6,500 rpm.

Did I just quote myself? Yes I did. :D Are they cf synchros the only internal mods you have planned. I know you looked into the Liberty mods and stuff.

Vegas69

08-02-2011, 06:19 PM

I ain't real quick, so forgive me. :D I've had a notchy second gear and some high rpm troubles. More the notchy second and downshift issues. All I have planned is the the synchros and shifter. The whole polished shafts deal is a farse. They are mirror polished already. I'll report back on the change once I row some gears. :thumbsup:

Track Junky

08-02-2011, 06:58 PM

I've got a Muncie that will take 800/fp/torque. Its called a Spec-25 and I could keep my foot in the peddle slamming into 2nd.:thumbsup:

Gee, I'm real sad to hear about the t-5's having syncro problems :D

Just kiddin' bro, have to raz you a bit, but according to my trans guy, what he says best be true, but so far soo good after 6 years.

Vegas69

08-02-2011, 07:09 PM

I like overdrive....:unibrow:

Track Junky

08-02-2011, 07:29 PM

Cant say that I blame you. My car is strictly track and dont have tha balls to screw around on the street.

Hope it all goes back together well, looking forward to seeing you in September.

To be honest, I'm looking more forward to the bench racing at barbecue time.:thumbsup:

sweetstang68347

08-03-2011, 09:06 AM

Vegas69

08-03-2011, 09:16 AM

A bunch of us have met at functions like SEMA and RTTC.

Payton King

08-03-2011, 09:58 AM

I have a pro 5.0 on a T56. The stops work, but they are harsh to the hands. I have taken mine out. You may try putting some type of rubber on the end of the bolts to lessen the shock. You will understand the first time you bang the gears.

skatinjay27

08-03-2011, 12:35 PM

Maybe a little off topic but how does everyone know everyone else? Are you guys in the same location or just attend the same events. Sometimes it sounds like a car can be pushed across the street to the next shop if you know what I mean.for me unfortunately for me i gotta live in the same city as todd !:P but we did end up meeting through this site. for others its like he said sema and other events (just spend more time here and before you even meet others youll feel like you've known them for years!)

yo iceman when u putting it back in ?

Vegas69

08-03-2011, 02:07 PM

Dear Crew Chief Whitesides,
Hoping the parts come in today and I can start assembling the trans. I have another trick up my sleeve so it may delay the install a little while. You are still welcome to come over Sunday. There is work to be done and lots of **** to be talked.:lol:

Vegas69

08-03-2011, 02:08 PM

Flash68

08-03-2011, 04:45 PM

I have another trick up my sleeve so it may delay the install a little while.

No one likes a c0cktease. :D

Vegas69

08-03-2011, 10:23 PM

No one likes a c0cktease. :D

Don't worry, my giggle juice will just negate your clutchless tranny. :unibrow:

Vegas69

08-03-2011, 10:41 PM

Turning the corner and have all the surfaces and parts cleaned and dissasembled the main shaft to inpsect the components.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CleaningandLeak011.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CleaningandLeak006.jpg

For those of you with TKO's that leak when they sit in the garage, here is what causes it. The lower shaft plug that houses the end bearing race has a tiny little o ring on it. I made a video but I'm not in the mood for the ridicule. :D Anyway, the oring is a little chewed up. Seems to me that teh plug spins from time to time and compromises the oring. I'll be gluing mine back in with silicone and a new oring.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/CleaningandLeak005.jpg

If you can't find em, grind em. We all know and have experienced this deal. Well, my inspection of the main shaft gears, synchros, and slides made this all to real. The third/fourth gear slider needs replaced. It's hard to tell, but the teeth should be sharp and they are beat up.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/006-6.jpg

My parts did come in today but now I'm waiting on the slider before I can reassemble the main shaft. I did replace the pins in the shift forks as they tend to get bent and one was a hair tweaked. I reassembled the 5th gear assembly with the needle bearing fiasco. This is the only carbon fiber that will ever be part of this car. :unibrow:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/008-5.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/002-9.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/001-7.jpg

Matt@BOS

08-03-2011, 11:32 PM

Hey Todd, want to rebuild a T56? :unibrow:

I'm continually amazed by the projects you keep on undertaking,

Matt

Vegas69

08-04-2011, 08:32 AM

Let's see how this one goes first. :lol:

Track Junky

08-04-2011, 06:45 PM

I'm probably the last guy that would ever want to tell you this but you are the man. Great effort dude!!

If she dont hold up in September I'll probably be as pissed off as you will,.

GregWeld

08-04-2011, 07:00 PM

Are the carbon fiber syncros upgraded or standard parts?

Vegas69

08-04-2011, 07:09 PM

I'm probably the last guy that would ever want to tell you this but you are the man. Great effort dude!!

If she dont hold up in September I'll probably be as pissed off as you will,.

I knew we'd see eye to eye eventually. :lol: :cheers:

Are the carbon fiber syncros upgraded or standard parts?

:rofl:

RECOVERY ROOM

08-04-2011, 07:10 PM

You know where all those parts go..HA HA. I took a TH400 apart once, It ended up at the trans shop. Go job for trying it yourself:thumbsup:

Flash68

08-11-2011, 05:38 PM

How is Operation Transvestite going Todd? :unibrow:

Vegas69

08-11-2011, 05:41 PM

They sent me the wrong slider so I'm waiting on the correct part to show up. I've got everything I need minus the part to put it back together. If the part shows up tomorrow, I'll likely have it back together this weekend.

67ragtp

08-11-2011, 06:26 PM

Hey Todd,

Its lookin good :thumbsup: , Im curious, where are you buying your sliders and carbon syncros? Any gaskets or anerobic sealer everywhere?

They must use some killer epoxy to hold that carbon to the brass. Im trying to remember why Paul at Liberty talked me out of installing them, Im blank.

Did you need a bearing press to get anything apart on the main shaft or did it come a part pretty easily with removing a bunch of E/C-rings?

Thanks Rich

Vegas69

08-11-2011, 08:46 PM

Hey Rich,
Tremec used anaerobic sealer everywhere but the inspection covers and shift plate originally. I'm no stranger to the technology as we used it in some GM applications way back when. I'll be using silicone on everything going back together as that's what has been recommended. Everything pulls apart by driving out a pin, c clip, or clips retained by a collar.
I'm buying all my parts from Bob Hanlon in PA. He has brand new take out parts from transmissions that he face plates which makes the sliders a reasonable price. I thought the same thing about the sychros and the bonding. I'd be surprised if your trans doesn't have them in it. From my understanding, it's technology that is used in the t56 platform.

intocarss

08-16-2011, 07:49 PM

Sat here for almost 3 hours and read about 95% of this thread until my old eyes gave out. Simply amazing car and build. Your dedication to detail and function is second to none, Your car comes off to the naked eye as a "grass parked under a shade tree trailer queen" ;) ... then you see it being used the way it is intended to be and that is very much RESPECTED! I love it!!!! :bow:

Hats off to you and your Cammy. If I still have my car and I race at LVMS at the PSCA SSCN at the end of this year,, I hope you can swing by and check out the action

BTW about your dist gear..
On my car I run a bronze gear and removed the rubber O rings You may loose a little oil pressure ( IMOHO nothing to worry about) It'll add more oil to the gear, Been this way in mine since 2005.. just check with "your eng builder" for your own peice of mind..

Also another good practice is to machine an oiling groove above the distributor gear so it has pressurized oiling to the gear, and if you do it after timing has been set you can clock it so the groove oils the distributor gear and camshaft gear It cuts down on wear alot, better life with a bronze gear also. Use moly cam assembly lube on the new gear next time you replace it for break in....(If you didn't already know)

I was wondering who built your 489 If it wasn't JP? You can PM me the name if that's ok..

Vegas69

08-17-2011, 03:20 PM

Track Junky

08-17-2011, 09:21 PM

Thanks for the kind words. It's been a fun adventure. I'll definitely try to make the next psca event. May run if they'll let me.

Pettis did build my engine February,2010 and I've beat the living **** out of it ever since. What a great engine builder and such a mom and pops shop with old school values. They give me better prices than jegs and mom answers the phone. I ended up pulling the lower o ring when I replaced the gear. Only lost a couple lbs of pressure. I have it out now for the trans deal and it looks good.

Just what we needed, another guy to make this guys head bigger than it already is :rofl:

intocarss

08-18-2011, 02:05 PM

Thanks for the kind words. It's been a fun adventure. I'll definitely try to make the next psca event. May run if they'll let me.

Pettis did build my engine February,2010 and I've beat the living **** out of it ever since. What a great engine builder and such a mom and pops shop with old school values. They give me better prices than jegs and mom answers the phone. I ended up pulling the lower o ring when I replaced the gear. Only lost a couple lbs of pressure. I have it out now for the trans deal and it looks good.

Yup JP is definitely a mom N pop operation. Shop is even at the house I've even heard stories of mom bringing cookies out to the shop LOL. YES come play with the PSCA there is a class for everyone, you may want to run in Open Comp or Street Muscle

Track Junky

08-23-2011, 08:00 PM

Todd, how's the tranny coming along?

Vegas69

08-24-2011, 08:24 AM

I recieved the 1-2 slider I needed right before I headed out on vacation. The new slider and the old gear didn't mesh(was told it was a 50/50 shot) so I had to order the assembly right before I left. I just got back last night and the new part is here so it will be going together this week, finally.

Track Junky

08-24-2011, 09:45 AM

Good luck bro, keep us posted!!:thumbsup:

dwilson

08-25-2011, 07:24 AM

subscribed. lol

Vegas69

08-25-2011, 09:33 PM

aDWmBDFoNHc

Flash68

08-25-2011, 11:22 PM

GregWeld

08-26-2011, 06:26 AM

Duuuuude! <Spicolli style>

The very last thing in the world I wanted to do on a Friday morning - sitting here in Sun Valley - was to watch a video of you jacking your handle off....

The very least you could have done was to get Kelli to do the demonstration.

:willy: :woot:

Vegas69

08-26-2011, 07:49 AM

The camera went dead right in the middle of my hollywood debut. :lol: If she don't leak like a siv or sound like a dump truck, should be good to go.

This is a finicky piece. The teeth were chewed up on the 2nd gear side so I ordered the new slider. It wouldn't mesh with my old gear so I ordered the slider/gear assembly. The gear didn't want to play nice with my mainshaft so I ended up using the new slider and my old gear.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/003-9.jpg

I reassembled the main shaft in the vice. Also pictured is the main shaft assembly and 5th installed.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005-5.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/010-1.jpg

This picture shows the broze shift pads on the outer fingers of the 1-2/3-4 shift forks.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/008-6.jpg

89 RS

08-26-2011, 08:14 AM

Nice...like the video appearance. I bet you will be glad to have everything put back into the car and driving the car again...nice work man.

waynieZ

08-26-2011, 10:36 AM

Todd Nice job. Did you have to adjust any shims or were they right on with the new parts?

Ron in SoCal

08-26-2011, 04:35 PM

Dude, you were made for TV. :rofl:

Can't ya slam those gears any harder? Actually that looks and sounds pretty sweet. You must be itchin to get in there and not fiddledick around with shifting anymore.

:cool:

^ Ha, totally agree! :lol:

So I'm standing around @ RTTC2, Todd, Dave and Dr. Renner shooting the breeze before the cold start of the road course and the conversation went like this:

Todd: So how's your car coming (Todd smirk)
Me: Uh, ya know...still in paint jail (red face)
Me: Did you decide what you're gonna do about that tranny?
Todd: Prob pull it after the season and send it to Liberty. I just want to drive it for now.
Me: I don't blame you. Dude, why don't you just pull it and put the parts in yourself?
Todd: I would, but nah, there's a bunch of tight tollerances in there and I think it's a job better left for the pros.
Me: It's just a tranny. I think you can do it.
Todd: We'll see...

....Props Todd...:thumbsup: I dig that you stepped up your game. You are in the pro ranks! :yes:

Track Junky

08-26-2011, 05:37 PM

Great job Todd!! I think your ready for Hot Rod TV, just need a better camera man, lol.

Flash68

08-26-2011, 05:43 PM

Great job Todd!! I think your ready for Hot Rod TV, just need a better camera man, lol.

As much as I hate to admit it, I'd rather watch Todd on TV than Stacy David. :rofl:

Vegas69

08-26-2011, 06:08 PM

Wayne, the end play checked out at .0005 so I'm good to go.

Ron, I'm cheap what can I say. :unibrow: I just couldn't stomach the shipping and investment into this transmission. I'm not thrilled to have stuck another $750 into it but it's the most economical solution. You'll be loving me when you start rowing gears with that 56.

Guys, got my hair cut today but I'll start working on my mullet pronto. :lol:

Vegas69

08-28-2011, 09:15 PM

Trans is back in and I did take it for a 20 minute rip today even though it was 4000 degrees outside. Everything fought me from getting the trans to slide in, pedal return spring, exhaust. Just one of those deals. :unibrow: I ended up taking half my jack rod and wedging the clutch pedal down and it slid right in! Haven't had that problem with the real input shaft clutch alignment tool in the past.

As usual, I can't leave anything alone. I decided to swap to an aluminum flywheel. I had Jason Pettis balance it before sending it my way. He always recommends balancing anything from a manufacturer.(Clutch pack, flywheel) He has better equipment and always finds them to be out of balance to some degree. The old steel flywheel was 30 lbs. The new McLeod aluminum comes out to 14 lbs.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/003-10.jpg

The trans feels sharper and the shifter has really shortened the throws. 3/2 & 2/1 downshifts are definitely better. 3rd seems to find home easier while 4th/5th feel about the same. The work definitely netted me an noticable improvement. Buttonwillow next month will test out the repeated high rpm shifting. My 1-2 shift still isn't perfect. It's still the notchiest gear but it has improved. I'm going to adjust the clutch a hair tighter for more disc disengagement. I'm happier with the trans and that was my goal. :thumbsup:

I regards to the aluminum flywheel. I love it!!! This engine isn't radical and it eats up that aluminum flywheel with NO problem. I can still take off with very little throttle. It's really changed the whole feel of the car. It revs so much faster and has really upt the anty in terms of a performance feel. The car even seems to take off better. It's crisp and more fun to drive! RPM matching is easier. Man, I wish I would've done this a long time ago. High reving big block torque and aluminum flywheels should sleep together every chance they get! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D It just doesn't feel like 489 cubic inches..... I can't wait to drive it again.

sik68

08-28-2011, 09:32 PM

Aluminum flywheel :thumbsup: Now it's a a real race car!

Indeed it does change the whole car, for the better :) The revs just seem to be more connected to your right foot. The only downside I've found on the track is that when downshifting, the revs fall to idle so quickly with the clutch in...requiring a quick efficient heel-toe technique. I've almost had the rear end come around a few times when I let the clutch out with too little revs.

You will never want to drive a car with a heavy flywheel again.

Not that you have a problem with rolling burnouts, but you can probably add 10mph to your burnout speed now :). Looking forward to seeing you at BW.

-Steven

Track Junky

08-28-2011, 09:47 PM

You always said if you ever pulled the tranny you'ld be throwing in an aluminum flywheel. Hell the damn things out why wait right? Your clutch disk will last you a ton longer.

You wont be using 1st to 2nd much on the road course, I'm figuring mostly 3rd and 4rth.

I could never figure out why those trannies are so much notchier in the shifting but i guess its just the nature of the beast.

Anyhow, looks like it's time to take that thing out for a few good rides, get everything to mesh, and make friends with its new components.

My car is pretty much ready now. All fluids changed except for brake, alignment redone last Friday. Lowered the front another inch and had to do the old baseball bat roll to the front fender lips again, lol. Looks like **** but oh well, it aint no show car. I'm 22 1/2" from floor to fender lip now.

Flash68

08-28-2011, 11:52 PM

As usual, I can't leave anything alone. I decided to swap to an aluminum flywheel.

Knew it was only a matter of time after you were revvin my motor in Dougie's garage.. :unibrow:

So how bad out of balance was your new flywheel before Pettis fixed it up?

Vegas69

08-29-2011, 08:14 AM

With the stock synchros and the 30 lb flywheel, it was a real bitch downshifting without upsetting the car. I haven't started working on heel/toe and it really wasn't an option until these changes. Now that I have the brake pad knockback sorted, I can work on the pedals one of these days. The gas pedal is splined so all I'll really need to do is fab up a pedal stop and bolt it to the floor. Looking forward to Buttonwillow. :thumbsup: I may hit up a local SCCA autocross the weekend before as well.

I definitely didn't need to tear the bellhousing off to update the trans.:D Glad I did, I found that a few of my pressure plate studs had actually lifted the center disc ring slightly. I switched out the hardware. Evidentally the lock washer were missing in the kit and when I torqued the nuts, the studs moved.

I still need to bleed out my brakes. I've got the Wilwood 600 fluid this time around. I cooked my front fluid in Fontana last month. If I have time, I'm also going to put the car on the scales and lower it a little out back. I've got 3/16" to spare according to my O-rings. :lol: Gaetano, your car is waaaaaay lower than mine.

I didn't ask how far the flywheel was out to be honest. I can see where he drilled on it along with my pressure plate. Jason's Mom said most manufacturers spin them on somehing similar to a tire balancer. Jason can spin it at high rpm. If he recommends I do something, I listen.

I've got some new rubber that's going on this week as well. My rears are heat cycled out really bad. They are noticably harder than the fronts and I've noticed a really loss of lateral and forward bite lately. They are just plain wore out. Fronts aren't far behind so I decided to replace all four at once. Picked up a good deal on the rear thanks to our resident liberal Ronnie..:lol:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/002-10.jpg

Sieg

08-29-2011, 08:44 AM

Todd,

Is the Wilwood fluid 5.5?

What gas pedal are you using? The Camaro brake/gas pedal relationship is far from optimal IMO. I'm trying to get a setup that allows me to use the left and right sides of my foot vs heal and toe. I can heal and toe it now but its too extreme to trust.

I'm guessing my pedal needs to come up 1" and over .5"-.75" and maybe take the rubber pad of the brake and use a thin abrasive material.

Vegas69

08-29-2011, 09:20 AM

It's their 600 racing fluid. http://www.jegs.com/i/Wilwood/950/290-6209/10002/-1

I have a lokar throttle arm and sparco pedals. I'm not sure I can make it work either at this point. The lokar arm does move the pedal over closer to the brake pedal.

sik68

08-29-2011, 09:20 AM

Hey Todd, you have the Lokar pedal too? I messed with the splines for days to get the height right but it wasn't coming out right, so finally just added ~5/8" thick worth of plastic sheets underneath the pedal pad. The spacing between pedals isn't so bad, it's the height offset.

Nice rubber!

Vegas69

08-29-2011, 09:25 AM

My thought is to get the brakes bleed back out so the pedal is normal and figure out the right height under max effort braking. Then I'll add a throttle arm stop to keep the stress off the throttle cable. I'm sure it's going to be tricky and doubt I get to it before buttonwillow. I'd rather have Dave's set up!

Ron in SoCal

08-29-2011, 09:54 AM

'Liberal Ronnie...,' Gigg-ady! :lol:

So glad you finally came over to the aluminum darkside. Big Torque + fast R's = Title Contender! :thumbsup: Also, +1 for the flywheel balance. I made the mistake of not doing it one time. Never again...

Track Junky

08-29-2011, 10:55 AM

I remeasured heights and wrote them down this time and these will be from floor to fender lip:

Passenger side front 22 1/2"
Passenger side rear 22 7/8"
Driver side front 22 3/4"
Driver side rear 23 1/2" Due to Fays 2 Watts link plate sandwiched under leaf spring/shock plate.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/New%20Stance%208-30-11/CamaroStance8-30-11004.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/New%20Stance%208-30-11/CamaroStance8-30-11003.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/New%20Stance%208-30-11/CamaroStance8-30-11002.jpg

Vegas69

08-29-2011, 12:17 PM

Do you have any shock travel left?:unibrow:

Track Junky

08-29-2011, 02:47 PM

Are you kidding??? With all that flex in my stock subframe.........I got tons :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Actually, measurable travel up front is barely 3" and rear is probably a bit above 4".

I can gain travel if I relocate front sway bar above subframe like on the Penske/Donahue '69 but it hasn't been an issue yet with the 700 lb springs.

Bringing the hub out 2" with the spacer for the vette wheels may cause some issues due to increased leverage but I'm going to bring my Torque Thrusts out to Buttonwillow just in case.

intocarss

08-29-2011, 03:41 PM

Flash68

08-29-2011, 04:24 PM

I've got the Wilwood 600 fluid this time around. I cooked my front fluid in Fontana last month.

What fluid were you using before? This reminds me to upgrade that stuff.

The spacing between pedals isn't so bad, it's the height offset.

Absolutely. People keep commenting on my track vids to use heel/toe... I welcome them to come try in my car. My height difference is so far off it's not funny.

My thought is to get the brakes bleed back out so the pedal is normal and figure out the right height under max effort braking. Then I'll add a throttle arm stop to keep the stress off the throttle cable. I'm sure it's going to be tricky and doubt I get to it before buttonwillow. I'd rather have Dave's set up!

Well yes you could cheat and join the really really dark side..... Todd, I am your father.... :cheers: :D

Track Junky

08-29-2011, 05:23 PM

Finally some pics of T Junkies car. I've been looking and could never find a thread about it. Looks great, More info please!! :cheers: Sorry for the high jacking of your thread. Now back to the regularly scheduled program.

Sorry for the hi-jack Todd.

Thanks for the kind words, I'll throw a little something together when I get a little more time.

Vegas69

08-29-2011, 06:05 PM

I was using GM fluid last time. Dustin at Wilwood keeps telling me that you need to bleed the brakes before every event. The speed stop challenges is the only place I've experienced any issues. I really think it's a combination of back to back runs and very little cooloing due to no speed like on a road course.

Who needs shock travel with 700 springs. Ha Ha

89 RS

08-29-2011, 07:48 PM

Glad to see you got everything back together and running. I wish I had a 1/4 of your mechanic skills, as always, nice work man.

Vegas69

08-29-2011, 08:03 PM

Practice makes perfect. :_paranoid

Track Junky

08-29-2011, 08:14 PM

Whats shock travel? As long as I still haven't rattled the teeth out of my gums I figure I'm still good.

And who needs a bump stop when you have a solid sway bar for a stop :lol:

Vegas69

09-04-2011, 10:26 PM

Kelli and I took the car for a ride out to Callville Bay this moring for breakfast. I needed to scuff in the new rubber for my up coming races anyway, right. :D I also did a mini desert hail mary this evening. All and all, I racked up over 100 miles today.

I've been busy getting the car ready for my SCCA event next Sunday and the road race in Buttonwillow on the 17th. I can't seem to leave anything alone. I always end up tweaking this and that before most events. My dad's an engineer, it's his fault for passing along those genes :lol: All the hardwork is definitely paying off. My desert hail mary allowed me to really bang some gears tonight. I made a small clutch adjustment. My tko 600 is now t56 esque. :lol: It's sharp and I'm actually pretty happy with it. 2nd ain't perfect but it's a HELL of a lot better. Between that and the aluminum flywheel, it's a night and day difference. :thumbsup: One interesting thing is the car is getting out of the hole better. I noticed it before swapping tires so I'm thinking the aluminum flywheel isn't hitting the tires as hard. I've got 600 ftlbs at 3500 rpm, I can't make any other sense of it.

I bled the brakes out with the wilwood 600 fluid. The front fluid was indeed cooked from the Fontana event last month. Brakes are high and very good now.

I checked the alignment and everything is good to go.... 1/16 toe in and top secret camber. HA HA

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/004-2.jpg

I changed out the springs 6, 9, 12 months ago and never corner weighted the car. A friend and client in the SCCA was nice enough to lend me his scales again. The good news is she's lost about 44 lbs since I last scaled her. At first I thought the scales had a problem. I knew I'd lost 16lbs with the flywheel change, but where the hell did the rest of the weight go? It's the brake change. I lost a considerable amount of weight and rotating mass when I switched to my floating caliper set up. Since the front brakes overheated in the speed stop challenge and the rear fluid was brand new, I still feel that it was a good decision. Buttonwillow may change that but I doubt it. Anyway, lowered the rear of the car about .25" before I scaled it. I've put the car thought hell and back and my indicators showed over .25 to spare. I ended up needing to sping the RF coil over up 4 full turns and the LR 2 full turns to get a PERFECT 50/50 cross weight. :D Car's lower than ever, has more meat, and no rubs that I'm aware of. :thumbsup:

I can't wait to get her off road and see what she's got!

This is how my corner weight started...(Me in the car)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/014-2.jpg
After multiple adjustments: (Me in the car) Two more gallons of gas..(Full Tank)
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/029-1.jpg
Weight without me...
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/030-1.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005-6.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/017.jpg

Flash68

09-06-2011, 06:19 PM

Put that fatty on a diet! :D

Lookin good man... you might be a force to be reckoned with in 2 weeks... :unibrow:

mike67cam

09-07-2011, 07:17 AM

Todd,

Your car looks great. It's one of my favorites on the site. How is the ground clearance with the car sitting that low? Any clearance issues with the headers?

Thanks,
Mike

Vegas69

09-07-2011, 07:55 AM

Put that fatty on a diet! :D

Lookin good man... you might be a force to be reckoned with in 2 weeks... :unibrow:

Might? :unibrow: Looking forward to it man!

Todd,

Your car looks great. It's one of my favorites on the site. How is the ground clearance with the car sitting that low? Any clearance issues with the headers?

Thanks,
Mike

Thanks Mike. I can only recall scraping the right header v band once over a large speed bump. We have pretty flat and generally good roads around the valley. It's not much lower compared to the past. .25" front and back....

Nessumsar

09-07-2011, 09:09 AM

Glad to hear the upgrades were worth it. Just keep her together for another week alright? Can't wait to see you boys at BW. :cheers:

BBC71Nova

09-07-2011, 10:23 AM

I think you need an Anvil CF hood HA! And maybe the inners to match.

Looks good Todd. Good luck at the events.

Matt@BOS

09-07-2011, 10:53 AM

That weight isn't bad at all. Without all of my stupid little carbon fiber parts, I think my car would weigh more. I find that a little scary actually...

Matt

skatinjay27

09-07-2011, 12:07 PM

Thanks Mike. I can only recall scraping the right header v band once over a large speed bump. We have pretty flat and generally good roads around the valley. It's not much lower compared to the past. .25" front and back.... the v-band also caught a cross beam getting on a dyno once:_paranoid

look how dirty those front wheels are! your gonna loose like 25 point at your next car show if you dont get those cleaned up!

sik68

09-07-2011, 12:58 PM

Only 52% over the nose with a BBC?! I'm doing something wrong.
:thumbsup:

Stuart Adams

09-07-2011, 01:23 PM

Just imagine what post number it will be when he puts an LS motor in!!!

slenning

09-07-2011, 01:26 PM

Just imagine what post number it will be when he puts an LS motor in!!!

Good one Stuart, I can't wait to hear Todd's response to that one :lol:

BTW Todd, very nice Camaro that just keeps getting better and better. Congrats

Vegas69

09-07-2011, 05:21 PM

Just imagine what post number it will be when he puts an LS motor in!!!

That will be around the same day I let my old lady carry my balls around in her purse. :rofl: (We all know that guy) Never gonna happen!

Vegas69

09-07-2011, 05:29 PM

Glad to hear the upgrades were worth it. Just keep her together for another week alright? Can't wait to see you boys at BW. :cheers:
We are going to have a blast!
I think you need an Anvil CF hood HA! And maybe the inners to match.

Looks good Todd. Good luck at the events.
See my response to Stuart..:lol:

That weight isn't bad at all. Without all of my stupid little carbon fiber parts, I think my car would weigh more. I find that a little scary actually...

Matt

We both built fat chicks. I've got the lightest big block possible...
the v-band also caught a cross beam getting on a dyno once:_paranoid

look how dirty those front wheels are! your gonna loose like 25 point at your next car show if you dont get those cleaned up!
Maybe I'll take it down to the super run after the scca and buttonwillow event WITHOUT cleaning it. :lol:

Only 52% over the nose with a BBC?! I'm doing something wrong.
:thumbsup:
Just put a stupid sub box made out of lead in the trunk and you can do it too...

Good one Stuart, I can't wait to hear Todd's response to that one :lol:

BTW Todd, very nice Camaro that just keeps getting better and better. Congrats

I'm at the end of a very long road..... Up next is likely the back shocks. I have single adjustable varishocks and feel they aren't giving me quite the rebound I need on the street of track. :cheers:

Stuart Adams

09-08-2011, 05:10 AM

Todd, you are a scream. Nice car.

Vegas69

09-12-2011, 09:06 PM

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Had a fun day Sunday. Car felt great and the new tires definitely stepped up the grip level, especially the side bite out back. I was able to set my rear shocks near the middle ground again. The course was a finesse design with no place to put down much power. I was only .5 off the CSP club champ on A6's and .9 off the ST champ that wins PAX all the time. Once again, the fastest car that DROVE to the track.:thumbsup:

We had a huge storm blow in at the end of the day. Car got thrashed on the way home.

GregWeld

09-12-2011, 09:53 PM

So how'd the tranny work??

Vegas69

09-13-2011, 07:31 AM

The real test is this weekend at Buttonwillow for down shifts and many high rpm up shifts. So far, it's been worth the trouble.

GregWeld

09-13-2011, 07:51 AM

The real test is this weekend at Buttonwillow for down shifts and many high rpm up shifts. So far, it's been worth the trouble.

That's good to hear!!

Maybe you have a side biz there?

ironworks

09-13-2011, 08:12 AM

Man I guess all the Lat-g guys are coming to Buttonwillow. And to think they are all sold out for me to run. Depending on work load. I might just cruise out there.

Vegas69

09-13-2011, 08:51 AM

That's good to hear!!

Maybe you have a side biz there?

Hells no...:unibrow:

Man I guess all the Lat-g guys are coming to Buttonwillow. And to think they are all sold out for me to run. Depending on work load. I might just cruise out there.

Looks like a get together Friday and Saturday evening are in the works. Shame, I was looking forward to spanking that slow poke you call a pro touring car. :D I have to think that somebody won't show up and you can slide in?

ironworks

09-13-2011, 09:23 AM

Hells no...:unibrow:

Looks like a get together Friday and Saturday evening are in the works. Shame, I was looking forward to spanking that slow poke you call a pro touring car. :D I have to think that somebody won't show up and you can slide in?

I have been trying to get a spot for a few weeks. But we are also in full thrash mode around here to get 4 cars to SEMA and as we all know work comes before play. This week is crucial to get our biggest project together for the show. Plus I would hope you would beat me out there, you have been driving and tuning the car for a few years. I get to mess with mine in my spare time. I have alot more time at the goodguys autocross experience then big track time in this car. But Buttonwillow is my home track, I have done quite a few laps in my Mustang back in the day. But if you want to go over to the go kart track where the real side by side action is, I will give up a hundred pounds to you and still take you to school.

Flash68

09-13-2011, 11:45 AM

Man I guess all the Lat-g guys are coming to Buttonwillow. And to think they are all sold out for me to run. Depending on work load. I might just cruise out there.

Hells no...:unibrow:

Looks like a get together Friday and Saturday evening are in the works. Shame, I was looking forward to spanking that slow poke you call a pro touring car. :D I have to think that somebody won't show up and you can slide in?

It absolutely pains me but I may have to back out of this weekend due to some health issues.... Rodger, I think I have what you need... for both days. I will make the final call in the next day or 2....

Vegas69

09-13-2011, 11:45 AM

:unibrow: If I had time, I'd take you up on that.

Vegas69

09-13-2011, 11:48 AM

ironworks

09-13-2011, 11:52 AM

:unibrow: If I had time, I'd take you up on that.

It's always the little guys who are pissed after I clean their clock. The part they forget it weight is down force and down force is momentum. The hotter or colder the track the more you will complain.

ironworks

09-13-2011, 11:55 AM

It absolutely pains me but I may have to back out of this weekend due to some health issues.... Rodger, I think I have what you need... for both days. I will make the final call in the next day or 2....

The problem I'm seeing, Is I bet they check ID. So Unless they will let you transfer it to me and I pay you. I bet it goes to the 3 guys waiting on the waiting list. Just what I'm seeing from begging for 3 weeks for a spot. I even sent them a picture of my hauler so they might think I was someone. That did not help. I even dropped the Earnhardt a few times.....Nothin......

Flash68

09-13-2011, 11:57 AM

The problem I'm seeing, Is I bet they check ID. So Unless they will let you transfer it to me and I pay you. I bet it goes to the 3 guys waiting on the waiting list. Just what I'm seeing from begging for 3 weeks for a spot. I even sent them a picture of my hauler so they might think I was someone. That did not help. I even dropped the Earnhardt a few times.....Nothin......

No, they allow a transfer for a small fee. Others have already done it.

ironworks

09-13-2011, 12:00 PM

No, they allow a transfer for a small fee. Others have already done it.

Sounds like the Government, You can do anything for a small fee.

Vegas69

09-18-2011, 11:42 PM

Had a great time at Buttonwillow this weekend.:D Fast cars, good company, and a few cold ones.(Maybe more than a few):lol: Car was really fast. I think I passed about 50 cars in my 5 sessions. Bunch a M3's, M5's, S4's, Shelby... :thumbsup: I laid down a 2:18 in the 2nd heat and that was my only clean lap with no traffic. I knew I could lay down a better lap but it took until the last two laps of the 5th sessoin for me to get a clean track. I'd have a great lap going in other sessions and catch somebody. :willy: Anyway, I laid down a 2:14.1xx and 2:14.2xx my last two laps. The go pro battery went capoot after heat 2. The car was very well balanced and man was it making big power. I was thrilled with the performance. I did have some high oil temps come into play that I need to address. It was in the low 90's but I really need a bigger cooler. As you'll see in the video, I wind it out pretty good. Later in the day I shifted into 4th to lower rpms and create less heat. I was hitting about 130-135 down both straights at the end of the day. Buttonwillow is the ****. Favorite to date.....

The 2:18 lap starts at about 2:30...
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Gandalf

09-19-2011, 12:04 AM

Awesome Todd! Glad all your hard work and fine-tuning is paying off. Love watching you "clean-house" on the track and esp reel-in that smokey 67/68 Camaro one last time. Car is running wicked fast man - congrats!

Gregg

cencalc6

09-19-2011, 07:49 AM

Nice Job Todd :cheers:

Nessumsar

09-19-2011, 11:04 AM

Saturnight was a blast, it was great to finally hang out with the Ice Man :cheers:. I can't wait for the next event, all of us can play together then :unibrow:.

Lenie

09-19-2011, 11:22 AM

Sounds like the Government, You can do anything for a small fee.

Hey, I resemble that remark:D

Lenie

09-19-2011, 11:27 AM

Saturnight was a blast, it was great to finally hang out with the Ice Man :cheers:. I can't wait for the next event, all of us can play together then :unibrow:.

Todd, I don't have a car to bring but I'm sure I can put down a few cold one's w/you one day. Video looks more than fun, congrats

MaxHarvard

09-19-2011, 12:01 PM

Nice work!

Flash68

09-19-2011, 12:10 PM

Great day Todd. It did look like the Bimmers were reasonably quick to let you pass.

I loved the couple minutes of chatter in the garage afterward.

Looks like it's time for more mods. :D

intocarss

09-19-2011, 12:35 PM

You looked great out there

waynieZ

09-19-2011, 12:39 PM

That was awesome Todd. It still amazes me how much I feel like I'm riding in the car with you guys when I watch these videos. I wish there was a way you could put up the speeds and rpms in the upper or lower cornes of the video so we could see them as you drive. Verey nice!

Bow Tie 67

09-19-2011, 03:06 PM

Nice job bud:thumbsup: , with those gumball tires it makes you feel like " The King "

Track Junky

09-19-2011, 04:30 PM

Todd, congrats on the lap times!!:thumbsup: Had a great time with you guys this weekend.

We should put together another Buttonwillow September trip next year. :unibrow:

WicKeD_SS

09-19-2011, 04:55 PM

Nice Vid, seams like your doing all the passing! :thumbsup: Grats

tones2SS

09-19-2011, 05:50 PM

Great video and great driving Todd. Car sounds mean.

89 RS

09-19-2011, 06:26 PM

Good stuff man! Thanks for sharing, car sounds awesome.

Vegas69

09-19-2011, 07:26 PM

Thanks for all the compliments. :cheers: This is really what building these cars is all about, having a good time with great people. The off track festivities was just as fun. In the video you have to remember that the camera was mounted on top of the car. It seems to flatten out the track and make the car in front seem a little farther out. I almost rear ended that S4 halfway through the heat. :lol: After watching the video, I can see where I picked up my 4 seconds at the end of the day. I started to improve towards the end of the video.

The Pettis Performance power was fantastic! The chassis balance was very good. The brakes stayed high and firm and didn't fade all day. Not even a hint of knockback!!!!!!! :willy: :unibrow: :thumbsup: The new aluminum flywheel let me make beautiful downshifts. They are hard to hear with the wind noise.

Now for the minuses. I missed a bunch of shifts. I think the new flywheel and clutch meshed in the first heat and the pedal free play got excessive. I think an adjustment will get my good positive shifts back. My coolant and oil temps got way to high. At the end of the heat in the video, water was 230 and oil 270-275. :_paranoid I later found that shifting into 4th through the middle section reduced temps by roughly 20 degrees. While it was hot, I need to address it befor my next track day with ambient above 75. I felt faster with it in 3rd but turned my 2:14 in 4th. I've got some ideas of what I plan to do to reduce oil temps. You know I'll share my plans.

Gaetano, you are on, brother!:cheers:

Flash68

09-19-2011, 07:42 PM

Yeah I couldn't hear the revs well on the downshifts.... was it a major adjustment in your heel-toe method to match revs?

Vegas69

09-19-2011, 07:46 PM

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Vegas69

09-19-2011, 07:46 PM

Yeah I couldn't hear the revs well on the downshifts.... was it a major adjustment in your heel-toe method to match revs?

I didn't get around to adjusting the pedals.....

jski67

09-19-2011, 08:10 PM

Hey Todd,

Just caught back up on this thread and wow, your car is performing great.

I took a break from mine for a bit after the mad thrash to get it on the road and I'm discovering that working out the bugs can be tougher than building it in the first place...so I admire your perseverance.

Now that it you've had them awhile, I wanted to follow up on your rear springs...are you still happy with the 275 springs in the shorter length? How do they ride on the street?

I'm running 200/12 inch spring on my tri-4 bar and feel they're way too soft...

Thanks,
Jason

camcojb

09-19-2011, 08:37 PM

great run Todd. I think the track is way better run in that direction; last time I was there they were running reversed, which sucked in comparison.

Vegas69

09-20-2011, 11:03 AM

Jason, I am happy with the springs. They ride fine on the street with the shocks dialed down between 0-2. When I lowered the car .25" two weeks ago, I had to safetly wire the spring to the shock body due to a small gap between the adjuster collar and spring at full extension. I've autocrossed and road raced and haven't encountered any issues.(I have 2.25" compression and 2.75" of rebound) I really depends on your setup. If you have a rear sway bar, going to this stiff spring will require the removal of the rear sway bar. Feel free to PM me any questions....

Jody, I didn't run with Mary and Carl on Sunday but they did run it counter clockwise. I thought the same thing, clockwise seemed like the best configuration.

CarlC

09-20-2011, 12:44 PM

Next time I'm going to get some real tires. I don't like this two wins and two losses gig very much.

Oh, and nice job on scaring the women and children every time you came by the start/finish. That beast makes all kinds of good noises.

Good times brother.

Mary and I did the CCW thing on Sunday. Though I prefer the CW route I'm starting to like the CCW configuration more and more. In CCW #1, the longest configuration, there are more places where one must be very careful not to carry too much speed vs. the CW arrangement. There were two major off-track excursions while Mary was riding with me, one of them forcing us off the track to make sure there was no bent sheetmetal. The guy that went off in front of us spent the next 30 minutes using the track air to blow out the car. He was carrying too much speed entering Bus Stop and lost the back end of car, spinning him around.

Vegas69

09-20-2011, 12:53 PM

Next time I'm going to get some real tires. I don't like this two wins and two losses gig very much.

Oh, and nice job on scaring the women and children every time you came by the start/finish. That beast makes all kinds of good noises.

Good times brother.

Your math is pretty fuzzy. :D Thos Kuhmos felt pretty sporty to me. You better bring some bubble gum on your shoes next time because my girls not done improving lap times.

Seriously great time......:cheers:

For you guys reading this, me and Carl have a very healthy rivalry and we always are neck and neck regardless of the event. It doesn't really matter who wins as long as it's me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

intocarss

09-20-2011, 12:59 PM

It doesn't really matter who wins as long as it's me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quote of the year rt there!! :thumbsup:

PS more pics please

I don't fit in with you all yet. Here's me at BW in 2010

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/buttonwillow2010.jpg

CarlC

09-20-2011, 04:24 PM

Your math is pretty fuzzy. :D Thos Kuhmos felt pretty sporty to me. You better bring some bubble gum on your shoes next time because my girls not done improving lap times.

Seriously great time......:cheers:

For you guys reading this, me and Carl have a very healthy rivalry and we always are neck and neck regardless of the event. It doesn't really matter who wins as long as it's me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Good call on the bubblegum. When Mary was riding with me on Sunday I felt something weird by my feet near the end of the session. The accellerator pedal came off. Bubblegum would have worked. Thanks for the tip!

Let's add 'em up.

Optima = Carl
RTTC2 = Todd
NMCA/Hotchkis/Baer Autocross = Carl
Buttonwillow = Todd.

Plus, if memory serves, you ran the last three events on gummy tires, while my prissy little cupcake has 180-220 treadwear tires.

Sieg

09-20-2011, 04:33 PM

Plus, if memory serves, you ran the last three events on gummy tires, while my prissy little cupcake has 180-220 treadwear tires.

Game on! It doesn't get much better than friendly competition of this nature. :thumbsup:

Vegas69

09-20-2011, 04:55 PM

Good call on the bubblegum. When Mary was riding with me on Sunday I felt something weird by my feet near the end of the session. The accellerator pedal came off. Bubblegum would have worked. Thanks for the tip!

Let's add 'em up.

Optima = Carl
RTTC2 = Todd
NMCA/Hotchkis/Baer Autocross = Carl
Buttonwillow = Todd.

Plus, if memory serves, you ran the last three events on gummy tires, while my prissy little cupcake has 180-220 treadwear tires.

You are conveniently forgetting RTTC 1. I know you turned your RF into a square peg but none the less. :unibrow: Last time I checked, anything under 200 treadwear was illegal(Kuhmo Ecsta). You buy me a set of PS2's and we'll see if you can settle the score.:D