Project "Payback"

[Vegas69]

With a bore of 4.300x4.375 stroke it makes a 508. You can bore the existing sleeves just like any block. If they end up unservicable, they are replaceable. I'm not going to make an undersquare engine. It will be 4.280 x4.250. I thought about doing an odd ball engine just to be rare, but it adds stress to the pistons limits the rpm potential a Hair.....

[70rs]

Nice! Do you have a target for top useable RPM?

[skatinjay27]

kick azz... is all that comes to mind right now!:unibrow:

[BBC71Nova]

Awesome Todd! Man those aluminum BBCs are nice :D .

Any particular reason you went with the ZL-1 block over a Brodix, Dart, etc?

John

[Vegas69]

There were a few factors. Weight, GM Engineering, and last but certainly not least, history. The 540 idea came and went pretty quickly. I had to be a little economical. This allows me to reuse my pistons, carb, clutch, and fuel system. Going 540 would have added 50 lbs even in aluminum and my components just aren't ideal. This should provide all the power I need to do what I intend. Pretty sure I found the only resale block for sale in the US. It hasn't been used but I saved about $900 over getting it at the parts counter.

The usable RPM won't change to much from the old motor. My exact words to him were, "This car is 50% race and 50% street" I don't want to give up my highway cruising drivability but want it to rev higher. I'd say it will have usable power from 2500-6500. Redline should be in the mid to high 6k.....The cam is still up in the air.

[GregWeld]

Interesting Todd... so how do they get there?

Going to have to rename you now -- "Thumper" fits better...

[monza]

That looks nice, real nice! for a big block... just had to drop that. Seriously that block is going to make a bad ass power plant.

Very cool on the ZL-1. What's the time frame? All the parts ready to go should be quick I hope. The old school speed shop looks like a great choice.

You get a A+ on your homework project so far.....

[GregWeld]

4.300 bore - MAX

4.375 Stroke Max

Bore x's pie - times stroke times 8 -- 473 cubic incheroos

Somewhere my math SUCKS Phone water! I've checked this three times and it comes out 473 --- but the actual displacement would - as Todd states - be 508
so what am I missing??

[Vegas69]

Targeting a February completion. All the parts still need ordered but will happen very soon.

I don't know Greg, I used an online calculator!

[gmorris]

Just a question but did you have the oil filter bypass blocked off? I had the same thing happen except my gear failed due to poor engagement coupled with MSD's crappy gear. I haven't put enough miles on mine since to know what the filter looks like but since I have the bypass plugged and everything is forced through the filter I'm crossing my fingers that no major damage was done. You're making me doubt that now :_paranoid

[Vegas69]

No it wasn't. The new motor will have it plugged!:unibrow:

[HWY Nova]

Somewhere my math SUCKS Phone water! I've checked this three times and it comes out 473 --- but the actual displacement would - as Todd states - be 508
so what am I missing??

Bore: 4.300 in.

Bore Area: Pi X 4.300 X 4.300 / 4 = 14.522 sq. in.

Displacement/cylinder: 4.375 X 14.522 = 63.534 cu. in.

Total Displacement: 8 X 63.534 = 508 cu. in.

[66LS7]

That is going to be a killer motor, should really help loosing the extra weight on the track.:thumbsup:



Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[70rs]

Way to go Todd!:thumbsup: I am looking forward to this chapter and can't wait to see a final parts list and then some numbers from the dyno!:cheers:

[gmorris]

No it wasn't. The new motor will have it plugged!:unibrow:

Then just make sure you run a racing filter with no internal bypass and a sturdy can. I use wix R series filters and they seem to be good quality.

[Vegas69]

Yep, I run a moroso racing filter anyway. You should be good to go. My filter caught a ton of it, unfortunately I didn't know I had a problem until it was to late anyway.

[GregWeld]

I have read that "normal" store bought filters can't deal with the pressures a good motor will make - say 70 lbs... and they can pop or blow... so running a "Race" style filter is smart insurance.

I run a cleanable stainless steel screen O'ringed type filter with magnets internally and remote mounted.... it filters 100% of the oil. However, all of that - won't save a motor that is determined to grind itself to death... But it sure SHOWS YOU that is happening!!! LOL

[Rybar]

Very cool motor Todd, really like the idea of shedding the BBC weight off the front with the alum block.

Have you thought about the spring rates having to be changed on the front end?

And have you thought about upgrading to EFI at some point?

[Vegas69]

Luckily Prodigy accidentally put small block/lsx springs in the front anyway. I was actually contemplating changing to big block springs before I pulled the motor. Although after my last autocross I was really happy with it as is. I'm sure my coil overs will need adjusted so I should be in good shape chassis wise.

As far as injection goes, I don't have any immediate or future plans. I'd need to start over from tank to engine on my fuel system. I feel the carb is easier to deal with in a racing enviroment. It's easier to keep two bowls full than 60psi behind every injector ALL the time. Plus, I just chapped my wallet anyway! Is there a group for this sickness?

[waynieZ]

This site is the group for that. We all share the same affliction! Thats going to be a sweet engine, plenty of power and a weight savings. This car just keeps getting better all the time !

[tones2SS]

Very cool Todd. Glad to see things going well for you with the engine.
That shop looks very clean and orderly, which usually means a good/reputable shop. I am looking forward to the build and the dyno numbers. That is going to be an ass-kicking engine.
Very nice my friend!!!!:cheers: :thumbsup: :cheers:

[awr68]

That sounds like a kick ass package, Todd! :thumbsup:

[DFRESH]

Trying to think of a some new names for your screen name and the car now --

Alumaback
BBalumaC
ZL1AutoX
Beotch


Happy for you man----good find. Hope your wife is still going to have a good Christmas after these purchases. When you guys are gonna dyno, if you want some company, let me know. It's kinda like a birth of a child--it's nice to hear them scream for the first time--you know they are alive.

Doug

[Vegas69]

Don't give up your day job. :rofl: I'll definitely let you know. It should be mid February or so.:thumbsup:

[rogue]

The max is 508 cubic inches. It will be a 489 since my SRP forged pistons are in good shape. Just need a polish. At the end of the day, I decided that this made the most sense for my car and my application. This ain't no drag car. :D That's another project! I'll have some updates with all the trick parts and machining..........

I am eventually going this same route but even bigger perhaps. The block was pricey I imagine but well worth every penny. I am jealous :thumbsup:

Were you experiencing any push at track days with the iron block?

[Vegas69]

My road course experience was so limited, but the car seemed really good. It will push on the autocross but I'm in the middle of a rear sway bar as well. Two different animals for sure. That's the main reason I got an adjustable rear bar. I really didn't go aluminum to shed the weight, it's just a nice side effect. I just felt it made more sense to drop the coin on a special block instead of a run of the mill 454 block. The machining cost is no different, it's simply the cost of the new block minus the pennies I get for the old one. It will end up making alot of sense. To be honest, the engine wasn't on the cars level anyway. I never would've picked that set up today. I wasn't planning on spending this much money on the car. I also didn't have plans to race it much at the time. It's one giant flippin snow ball. I keep telling myself it's going to stop someday. :_paranoid I've done a ton of research lately, pick my brain anytime.

[GregWeld]

I'm lovin' all of this Todd... Merry Christmas to yourself, by the way! LOL

Someone asked me the other day about something I'd bought... I told them... "I'm not broke - but I'm certainly bent"!

[70rs]

Maybe someday that one big flipin snowball will roll into a LSX motor huh?
:D

[comp-spec]

All aluminum 500cid big block...do you really have to say any more.
nice choice

[fleet]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/EngineRoadTrip017.jpg



Looks great and less filling. :thumbsup:

Here's how they sounded back in '69.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Camaro%20427/th_b2bbf713.jpg (http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Camaro%20427/?action=view&current=b2bbf713.flv)

[skatinjay27]

Maybe someday that one big flipin snowball will roll into a LSX motor huh?
:Dhellz NO!!!!!! lol
it would have been much smarter ($cheaper$) for him to go that route...MUCH cheaper!;)
but no where near as cool...

[Vegas69]

Maybe Erics right, I should buy 3 of Franks LS3's and have a couple spares in the trailer when I race. :goofy: I called Schwartz Machine which manufactured the block. To my surprise Bob Cross from GM racing called me back and is sending me a care package. Turns out he is responsible for bringing the ZL-1 block back and actually found the forms in a warehouse the size of and airport hanger. http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/_res/pdf/MagazineArticles/PopularHotRod_BigBlockBirthday.pdf My take was it was all the info from the endurance tests and specs they used on the ZL-1 from there 50 hour endurance test in the article.. Should be interesting. Pretty cool having a GM racing engineers phone number. :unibrow: It's just not quite as simple building this engine. The aluminum block brings in some new variables. For instance the main bolts must be torqued in a similar sequence to an intake but the inner and out bolts have a different torque spec. Also, the bearing clearances are different due to more swelling. It has a steel billet cap and aluminum top half. I could dry sump this block but that just isn't in the cards. Here is the only document that came with the block. Pretty cool stuff....
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/EngineSpecSheet.jpg

[89 RS]

That is pretty cool Todd. Can't wait to see the results, as always with what you try to achieve. I saw the price on that though...:faint:

[Rybar]

Luckily Prodigy accidentally put small block/lsx springs in the front anyway. I was actually contemplating changing to big block springs before I pulled the motor. Although after my last autocross I was really happy with it as is. I'm sure my coil overs will need adjusted so I should be in good shape chassis wise.

As far as injection goes, I don't have any immediate or future plans. I'd need to start over from tank to engine on my fuel system. I feel the carb is easier to deal with in a racing enviroment. It's easier to keep two bowls full than 60psi behind every injector ALL the time. Plus, I just chapped my wallet anyway! Is there a group for this sickness?

Thats good news on the springs. Did ever get a chance to weigh the car before you pulled the motor? Interesting to see how much weight it will shed off :yes:

[monza]

I think you should think a bit more about a dry sump and not right off that idea so quick.... it's only money.
Super cool on the Gm contact.

[tones2SS]

Christmas came early for Todd!!:cheers:

[awr68]

So no LS9?.............................................. ....................:lol:

j/k......it's going to be bitchin'!! :thumbsup:

An all aluminum BBC is top shelf in my mind! Rember the Red Witch.....yeah, pretty bad ass!! :yes:

Queston, what do you think it will weigh? And what savings over the last iron block build? And what does this compare to an AL headed SBC and an all AL LSx build?

[GregWeld]

I think you should think a bit more about a dry sump and not right off that idea so quick.... it's only money.
Super cool on the Gm contact.

I think you're right Monza -- let's not let him WRITE off the idea quite so quickly. I'll personally kick in $100 bucks for a dry sump! Who's in with me?

LOL

[Vegas69]

According to GM specs there is a 150 lb difference between a Gen VI 454 block and the ZL-1 block. That's pretty significant. I'm pretty sure it puts me within 100 lbs of an LSX and should be comparable to a small block with aluminum heads. EVERYTHING under the hood is aluminum as well. I guess I should look into the dry sump option a little more. I already have plans for a road race pan, windage tray, and scraper. Keep in mind that I also have a 3qt accumulator. I wasn't having oil pump pickup problems with my street strip pan and accumulator that I know of..... I've got to cut myself off somewhere. :unibrow:

[zbugger]

Damn dude.... Your car just keeps getting more and more cool. I liked the car before, but this makes it just nuts.

Oh, and I'd go with the guys on the dry sump setup. Or are you saving that for a reason to take the car apart again in the future? Anything not to be "done", huh? lol.... They're never done.

[waynieZ]

Get it going Greg I got $40 !

[awr68]

According to GM specs there is a 150 lb difference between a Gen VI 454 block and the ZL-1 block. That's pretty significant. I'm pretty sure it puts me within 100 lbs of an LSX and should be comparable to a small block with aluminum heads.

That is a great savings and should be quite noticable! Thanks for posting the numbers Todd!

.... I've got to cut myself off somewhere. :unibrow:

I agree.....right after the dry sump!! :lol:

[Vegas69]

Dry sump is out Tony. Greg and my buddy Wayne's $140 bucks won't even pay for the shipping. :lol: If I was back in the fabrication stage and didn't have a fist full of accesories and no place to mount that monster oil tank it might be a different story. I've already breached my passenger inner fender for the accumulator. I don't mind making changes, but not at the cost of leaving a trail of after thoughts...... At the end of the day, a good pan, windage tray, and scraper will treat me right. It's not like I plan to run the 24 hours of Lemans here.

[awr68]

I totally understand! At this point I'm not willing to make changes either....somtimes it's just not worth it!

[Efi69Cam]

Dry sump is out Tony. Greg and my buddy Wayne's $140 bucks won't even pay for the shipping. :lol: If I was back in the fabrication stage and didn't have a fist full of accesories and no place to mount that monster oil tank it might be a different story. I've already breached my passenger inner fender for the accumulator. I don't mind making changes, but not at the cost of leaving a trail of after thoughts...... At the end of the day, a good pan, windage tray, and scraper will treat me right. It's not like I plan to run the 24 hours of Lemans here.

I'd be quite interested in knowing what you decide on. Stefs will make a custom fabricated pan for a BBC but other than that I have not seen any off the shelf pans for BBC for anything other than drag race applications. My 540 has a milodon kick out pan on it now, but I'd like something better.

Will the old Corvette trap door pan fit with the DSE frame?

[monza]

So the dry sump idea is already dead.

Here is some useless reading then http://www.drysump.com/drysump.htm

[Vegas69]

There is just no easy way for me to package it at this point. It has to be belt driven and I'm not just going to mount the big honkin tank on the firewall either. That can O worms just doesn't appeal to me right now. Unless I'm missing something....

[GregWeld]

All you need is a road race pan to control oil creep and slosh - so you don't run dry...

I agree with you - you add one thing and it's a can of worms that doesn't stop...

[70rs]

hellz NO!!!!!! lol
it would have been much smarter ($cheaper$) for him to go that route...MUCH cheaper!;)
but no where near as cool...

I was kidding. I would actually NOT like to see an LSx in Todds car. This new motor is going to be pretty cool and I doubt there will ever be a situation where another car pulls up and pops the hood and they have matching motors. Not too many of those ZL-1s running around on the street.:cheers:

[Payton King]

I like your motor choice. My buddy Conrade has the ZL-1 motor in his 69. His made 605 hp at the crank.

There is no doubt that you will feel the difference up front.

[monza]

There is just no easy way for me to package it at this point. It has to be belt driven and I'm not just going to mount the big honkin tank on the firewall either. That can O worms just doesn't appeal to me right now. Unless I'm missing something....


Nope you've got it nailed... yes belt driven, yes need a tank (does not have to be huge or on the firewall) I was actually close to going dry sump on my car, decided not to. I think they are a 'cool-techy' and make so much sense for the track . So I was just hoping I could live my dry sump fantasies through you..... (ouch- that sounds bad)
For sure it would open a can of worms on other things, but that was half the fun of seeing if I could get you to bite!

[rogue]

glad the dry sump idea has been killed. It would only be suited to the most hardcore of road racing prepped BBCs... You already have an accusump as insurance. You have to be doing some pretty impressive driving to NEED a dry sump.

Skip barber in 2010 Todd? I'm planning on it...

[MarkM66]

I'd be quite interested in knowing what you decide on. Stefs will make a custom fabricated pan for a BBC but other than that I have not seen any off the shelf pans for BBC for anything other than drag race applications. My 540 has a milodon kick out pan on it now, but I'd like something better.

Will the old Corvette trap door pan fit with the DSE frame?

http://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_bbc.html

[Vegas69]

glad the dry sump idea has been killed. It would only be suited to the most hardcore of road racing prepped BBCs... You already have an accusump as insurance. You have to be doing some pretty impressive driving to NEED a dry sump.

Skip barber in 2010 Todd? I'm planning on it...

Definitely still on the agenda. The ladies at Spring Mountain still harass me on a regular basis. It's a 3 day in Corvettes over here, so that may be something to consider. I just need to figure out when and where. I was meaning to talk to you about your new milodon pan. What do you think of the quality?

[Vegas69]

http://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_bbc.html

Good link Mark. Efi, stefs doesn't have anything specific for a 69 Camaro road racer. They sent me a couple sketches. Jake recommended Canton but my engine builder has had horrible luck with them. Right now I plan to run the same Milodon as Rogue.

[tjbruning]

Good link Mark. Efi, stefs doesn't have anything specific for a 69 Camaro road racer. They sent me a couple sketches. Jake recommended Canton but my engine builder has had horrible luck with them. Right now I plan to run the same Milodon as Rogue.


Billet Fabrication makes nice pans also...
http://www.billetfab.com/GMpans_order.htm

[70rs]

Good link Mark. Efi, stefs doesn't have anything specific for a 69 Camaro road racer. They sent me a couple sketches. Jake recommended Canton but my engine builder has had horrible luck with them. Right now I plan to run the same Milodon as Rogue.

Just a thought Todd, can Speedtech put one together for you? I don't remember what sub you are running but they have a BBC in the 69 they run. ??

[GregWeld]

Just watched a video about the GM plant and the building of the ZO6 in particular... they clearly state that they went to a dry sump for TWO reasons:

1) They can pull over a G in steady cornering... and in the video, demonstrated the movement of liquid and how it climbs walls.

2) They had "no room" for a DEEP sump pan with the low ground clearance.

So my take away from that is - that had they been able to do a "proper" pan - then they may have chosen to go with a wet sump.

[mfain]

I had Dan Olsen build a BBC road race pan for me -- very nice piece with a passenger side kickout, scraper, and doors/baffles. My motor is well behind the front crossmember, so the pan is pretty "square" in front and would probably not work well with any crossmember or steering linkage interference. As it turns out, I never installed the pan as I went to a dry sump, and yes, rebuilding the firewall to get a three gallon dry sump tank in place was quite a hassle. Fortunately, fiber glass is easier to move than 16 gauge. Picture at following link.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=19227&d=1251164776

[Vegas69]

Killer work man. I'm learning fast!

[MarkM66]

Good link Mark. Efi, stefs doesn't have anything specific for a 69 Camaro road racer. They sent me a couple sketches. Jake recommended Canton but my engine builder has had horrible luck with them. Right now I plan to run the same Milodon as Rogue.

Thanks. I have no idea what they fit though.

They sure hold a lot of oil.

[Efi69Cam]

That aviaid pan is a beast!

The cruicial dimensions are the 15" width 9" depth and 12" length of the sump, probably would fit in my car, but I'd have to remove the passender side header to get to the starter.

The C6 oil pan has internal baffles that eliminated the need for the batwing pan of the C5. Maybe one could start with an aluminum (for ease of fabrication) drag race pan then add baffling similar to the C6?

[thedude327]

Just been reading through the last ten pages or so and nice project engine!!!
Have you selected a cam and cylinder head package for your motor yet? I sure hope you dyno it and put a vid. on your build thread after it's assembled.

Paul
:thumbsup:

[nvr2fst]

I ran across this really cool block while I was over there....:D
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/EngineRoadTrip017.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/EngineRoadTrip019.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/EngineRoadTrip020.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/EngineRoadTrip023.jpg


Holy crap, I go dormant for a while on this thread and get to come back to this find! Sweet, Sweet, Sweet Todd, great find and a perfect combo for the cars potential your looking for.

[Vegas69]

I did get a small update on my engine today. My valve guides are shot after 3500 miles. :rolleyes: Over .010 clearance on the intakes. Jason is thinking bad geometry or assembled dry. Neither would surprise me. So now I need guides and that means a valve job. Might as well port the heads now to. :morepower All the bottom end parts have been picked by Jason at Pettis Performance. He's used all of the parts and tested them in previous engines.

Callies Compstar Crank, Manley H Beams with 2000 ARP bolts, ATI SFI Balancer, Existing SRP Forged Pistons, McLeod SFI 30lb Billet Steel Flywheel.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Lrg-BBC.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/ati-917064_w.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/man-14054-8.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/srp-212135_w.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/mcl-460260-1a_w.jpg

[GregWeld]

:hail: :hail: :hail: :wow: :wow: :hail: :hail: :hail:

[70rs]

Sorry to hear about the heads. Maybe getting into the motor now was the best thing.

Nice list of parts there! :thumbsup: Any ideas for power level yet?

[WILWAXU]

Nice parts!

[jr421]

Great car, I am not surprised by the guides, I have assembled alot of racing BBC and you have to know what you are doing its not a slap it together engine! I am building a 496 for my 69 so I am working with the Todd starter kit! I have cubic inch envy! You will definately need some new tires soon! :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

sweet!!!
so much for re-using parts though! lol

[Vegas69]

It's that snowball effect. The rods were borderline at best. The crank was external balance and ok for that engine. The balancer was ok for that engine. At the end of the day, I must insure my investment. Being that chunk of aluminum. If I stick a rod through the side of it, it won't be because I cut a few corners. I want something that is going to stand up to the torture I plan to put it through. If there's one thing I've learned in the last 3 years building this car, do it right the second time, I mean first time. :unibrow: This puts all my other do overs to shame.

[70rs]

Well you are doing it right this time for sure. You mentioned a rod through the block.....that gave me chills.....:_paranoid

[tones2SS]

I did get a small update on my engine today. My valve guides are shot after 3500 miles. :rolleyes: Over .010 clearance on the intakes. Jason is thinking bad geometry or assembled dry. Neither would surprise me. So now I need guides and that means a valve job. Might as well port the heads now to. :morepower All the bottom end parts have been picked by Jason at Pettis Performance. He's used all of the parts and tested them in previous engines.

Callies Compstar Crank, Manley H Beams with 2000 ARP bolts, ATI SFI Balancer, Existing SRP Forged Pistons, McLeod SFI 30lb Billet Steel Flywheel.

Todd, that sucks about the valves/valve guides, but that's a GOOD EXCUSE to upgrade and do it right!! Sounds good about porting the heads. Did Jason how many horses you would gain with the ported heads?
Callies makes a great crank. Highly recommended by a lot of people. Keep us posted buddy!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[70rs]

Any word on the engine Todd?

[Kendall Burleson]

That a good choice on parts by all mean port the cylinder heads prep the valve face 4 angle seat will also help on flow:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

No updates just yet. I know he had two engines that needed dynoed and had to go out the door. I should hear from him this week yet.

[89 RS]

Any updates yet Todd?

[DFRESH]

I am officially living out my PT fantasy through this thread---something breaks and is replaced with the very best. What will be the next thing to wear out prematurely? Sounds like your wallet might be inline---

Doug

[Vegas69]

Jason and I are on the same page and I'm letting him do his thing. I've authorized him to do the port job on the heads. We are still on schedule for February. He will have some photos of all his trick work soon. Hell, I can't wait!

[Flash68]

Are you expecting you clutch to hold the new power? You have Dual Friction if I remember correctly?

[Vegas69]

No.....:rofl:

[Flash68]

No.....:rofl:

I wasn't thinking so either! :lol:

[Vegas69]

The way I figure, it will hold until it gets hot. I expect to get it really hot so I'll go to the new DFX or McLeod twin disc. This snowball started at Pikes Peak and I hope it's on the bunny slope.:rolleyes:

[Flash68]

The way I figure, it will hold until it gets hot. I expect to get it really hot so I'll go to the new DFX or McLeod twin disc. This snowball started at Pikes Peak and I hope it's on the bunny slope.:rolleyes:

Yep, makes sense. I really like my McLeod Street Twin RST. Rated to 800 hp/ft lbs and with no hydraulic assist I think the pedal effort is very manageable.

[skatinjay27]

Jason and I are on the same page and I'm letting him do his thing. I've authorized him to do the port job on the heads. We are still on schedule for February. He will have some photos of all his trick work soon. Hell, I can't wait!
port work???
what happened to not wanting to do any fuel system work? snowball:unibrow:

[Vegas69]

Thinking about putting a fuel pressure and fuel mixture gauge in the dash cluster. It's on the bench for an oil temp gauge anyway. Fuel system is border line. I'm going to give it a chance. If I knew then what I know now.........

[70rs]

We all know it takes effort to create a snowball........:_paranoid

Me thinks Todd likes this snowball!:rofl:

[Vegas69]

This is the last snowball...mark my words. :yes: I'm done.

[70rs]

This is the last snowball...mark my words. :yes: I'm done.

Oh yeah, right........famous last words! :rofl:

How long have you been on this site? Did you remember to take your meds today Todd??:D

[jamesg602]

Todd,

I Know this is off topic but what kind of coating do you have on your garage floor? Did you apply it or have it done profesionally? BTW sweet pics of your new engine.

Thx
James

[Matt@BOS]

I never realized how great the snowball analogy was until just now, reading about your project. Actually screw the snowball analogy, your car is like snowman. You've got a pile of snowballs. Each successive snowball is a little smaller. If you're like me, you've got one snowball for the suspension, wheels, brakes, etc, which is by far the biggest, then you've got another for the engine, which is a slightly smaller snowball, and finally a couple more little(r) ones for paint and interior, and that is just the process of doing it the first time. God forbid it starts to melt, and you've got to go back out there, like with your engine.

Just remember, eventually your snowman is going to start to melt again :unibrow: I know you were looking at that carbon fiber closeout, and let me tell you, buying one carbon fiber part is a dangerous road to take, even if you paint it. I needed a hood and ended up with everything but a deck lid.

Matt

[Vegas69]

I had the garage coating done by a local outfit. It was around 2k for a 3 car garage. It's pretty trashed right now with my massive spill from yanking the motor. I might need to have some of it redone. Not sure yet.

Matt, you are absolutely right. Many snowballs. The engine is the biggest since this is the second go around and I'm reusing very little. I'll have exactly what I want though. From here on out, I feel like I'm happy with everything I have on the car and its should take the abuse that's planned. When I started this process almost 4 years ago, I didn't plan to race the car. Now that's about all I care about. Different decisions have to be made. What you can get away with on the street fails misearably on the track. Will I make some small tweaks like close out panels and tail lights? I'm sure eventually.

[89 RS]

This is the last snowball...mark my words. :yes: I'm done.

Lol...and I've got some beach front property in Montana I'll sell ya.:lol:

[sixnina]

Lol...and I've got some beach front property in Montana I'll sell ya.:lol:

yeah and without these snowballs this thread would melt,and we cant have that.

[DFRESH]

This is the last snowball...mark my words. :yes: I'm done.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And I thought you were always honest---maybe only in your intentions with that statement my friend. Last snowball---yeah---you like racing now--it's just beginning if you find you "love it". I'll support you in it though--we can roll downhill together until we end up in some rehab clinic in Malibu for this. Greg will have to pay for it and visit us on the weekends.

[GregWeld]

I'll bring my drool diaper!


:woot:

[bmwwksmarc]

When I started this process almost 4 years ago, I didn't plan to race the car. Now that's about all I care about.


Todd how does it go: You know how to make a small fortune in racing........start with a large one :lol:
Or something like that.........

Marc

[Vegas69]

You got that right Marc. :willy: I'd rather have the car than the money in the bank... At least it's a partial investment.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/noname.jpg

I dropped the Boze wheels off at the UPS store the evening. I can't say I was happy to see them go. They sure did gleam in the store. I'm sure many of you are wondering if I have a screw loose. The fact of the matter is I've changed my ways throughout the build of this car. It started out as just a fairly stock restoration, then I saw the pro touring stuff and wanted the look. Now I'm all about performance. Those wheels aren't the optimal choice performance wise for my car. The fronts weren't wide enough to take advantage of my front subframe and the 19's are heavy out back. The compound wasn't as soft as I would like either. I've got to be fairly responsible to myself. The new ZL-1 build goes a little beyond that. I have a brand new radiator on the way and my current clutch won't work. Of course that's just a small part of the snowball. The wheels were collecting dust and hadn't been on since June so they went down the road. Sure the car was designed after those wheels but I've grown to like the new look better. It's the feel it give the car. I may eventually brush all the chrome on the outside of the car. That will be down the road. Plus Frank @ Prodigy Customs cuts me some killer deals on wheels and tires. :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid If I had a second set of wheels, I'd want A6's for autocross at this point. I don't plan on driving from here to Maine in this car. The R888's will be fine for what I have planned for the street and track.

[extralight]

You got that right Marc. :willy: I'd rather have the car than the money in the bank... At least it's a partial investment.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/noname.jpg

I dropped the Boze wheels off at the UPS store the evening. I can't say I was happy to see them go. They sure did gleam in the store. I'm sure many of you are wondering if I have a screw loose. The fact of the matter is I've changed my ways throughout the build of this car. It started out as just a fairly stock restoration, then I saw the pro touring stuff and wanted the look. Now I'm all about performance. Those wheels aren't the optimal choice performance wise for my car. The fronts weren't wide enough to take advantage of my front subframe and the 19's are heavy out back. The compound wasn't as soft as I would like either. I've got to be fairly responsible to myself. The new ZL-1 build goes a little beyond that. I have a brand new radiator on the way and my current clutch won't work. Of course that's just a small part of the snowball. The wheels were collecting dust and hadn't been on since June so they went down the road. Sure the car was designed after those wheels but I've grown to like the new look better. It's the feel it give the car. I may eventually brush all the chrome on the outside of the car. That will be down the road. Plus Frank @ Prodigy Customs cuts me some killer deals on wheels and tires. :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid If I had a second set of wheels, I'd want A6's for autocross at this point. I don't plan on driving from here to Maine in this car. The R888's will be fine for what I have planned for the street and track.

I don't think you've lost you mind.....you just know what you want and what it will take to get to your goal.....have fun....life's too short and stressful to only focus on "the future". Love the car and the fine tuning!

[DOOM]

:( ;) You gotta do what you gotta do!!You got that right Marc. :willy: I'd rather have the car than the money in the bank... At least it's a partial investment.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/noname.jpg

I dropped the Boze wheels off at the UPS store the evening. I can't say I was happy to see them go. They sure did gleam in the store. I'm sure many of you are wondering if I have a screw loose. The fact of the matter is I've changed my ways throughout the build of this car. It started out as just a fairly stock restoration, then I saw the pro touring stuff and wanted the look. Now I'm all about performance. Those wheels aren't the optimal choice performance wise for my car. The fronts weren't wide enough to take advantage of my front subframe and the 19's are heavy out back. The compound wasn't as soft as I would like either. I've got to be fairly responsible to myself. The new ZL-1 build goes a little beyond that. I have a brand new radiator on the way and my current clutch won't work. Of course that's just a small part of the snowball. The wheels were collecting dust and hadn't been on since June so they went down the road. Sure the car was designed after those wheels but I've grown to like the new look better. It's the feel it give the car. I may eventually brush all the chrome on the outside of the car. That will be down the road. Plus Frank @ Prodigy Customs cuts me some killer deals on wheels and tires. :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid If I had a second set of wheels, I'd want A6's for autocross at this point. I don't plan on driving from here to Maine in this car. The R888's will be fine for what I have planned for the street and track.

[DFRESH]

You got that right Marc. :willy: I'd rather have the car than the money in the bank... At least it's a partial investment.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/noname.jpg

I dropped the Boze wheels off at the UPS store the evening. I can't say I was happy to see them go. They sure did gleam in the store. I'm sure many of you are wondering if I have a screw loose. The fact of the matter is I've changed my ways throughout the build of this car. It started out as just a fairly stock restoration, then I saw the pro touring stuff and wanted the look. Now I'm all about performance. Those wheels aren't the optimal choice performance wise for my car. The fronts weren't wide enough to take advantage of my front subframe and the 19's are heavy out back. The compound wasn't as soft as I would like either. I've got to be fairly responsible to myself. The new ZL-1 build goes a little beyond that. I have a brand new radiator on the way and my current clutch won't work. Of course that's just a small part of the snowball. The wheels were collecting dust and hadn't been on since June so they went down the road. Sure the car was designed after those wheels but I've grown to like the new look better. It's the feel it give the car. I may eventually brush all the chrome on the outside of the car. That will be down the road. Plus Frank @ Prodigy Customs cuts me some killer deals on wheels and tires. :_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid If I had a second set of wheels, I'd want A6's for autocross at this point. I don't plan on driving from here to Maine in this car. The R888's will be fine for what I have planned for the street and track.


Good thing you bought that truck at the rate you are unloading and loading stuff lately----

[Vegas69]

Now that the engine is coming along nicely, I'm starting to get motivated to get back out in the garage. I'm currently working on the AC/Heat installation. I designed some custom condensor brackets the other night and they are in the works at my trusty water jet company. They should be pretty trick. I just wasn't happy with the flimsy, cheasy ass brackets. I want something more supportive and clean of course.

Last night and this morning I worked on plumbing the unit under the dash. While it sounds simple, it's quite the head scratching dilema. Both heater hose and one AC connection is on the back side of the unit wedged between the firewall and unit. It's not extremely spacious under there either. Luckily I had already figured out how to mount it and had that set up in the past. I didn't want the heater control valve in the engine comparment and I wanted it to be fairly easy to connect all four connections on both sides of the firewall. This was the cleanest and most servicable way I could come up with. All lines will come straight out and wrap up around the front and or side. All the connections will be made to the unit prior to installation and then it should be fairly easy to make the connections at the firewall. The hoses will be out of site from teh passenger seat and outside the car. On the engine side all all four will be at the same angle in parrelel and go up through the fender and to their respective places. They are angled more towards the fender than they look.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/ACInstall001.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/ACInstall004.jpg

[70rs]

Nice set up Todd. It should be a nice, clean install too.

[sixnina]

Very clean work. So whats the status on the engine?

[DFRESH]

Man, you are going to love that A/C---that's great you are putting it in---nice install thus far---wish mine was setup that way---

Doug

[Vegas69]

Thanks guys:cheers: Jason is plugging away on the engine. He was already porting the heads and had the decks machined. He also spec'd the cam and has ordered it. Last time we talked he was on schedule for February. I'm sure I'll have some photos next week sometime.

[DFRESH]

Keep pushing forward man---every change you make the car just keeps getting more Bad A.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

would just like to say "i fackin love your car, Todd"


...that is all.

[Me walking] walks out of the thread. [/Me walking]

[tones2SS]

Thanks guys:cheers: Jason is plugging away on the engine. He was already porting the heads and had the decks machined. He also spec'd the cam and has ordered it. Last time we talked he was on schedule for February. I'm sure I'll have some photos next week sometime.

Very nice.:thumbsup:
This is going to be Christmas in February for you Todd!!! I'm dying to hear this bad boy.
Keep us posted bud!:cheers:

[Vegas69]

would just like to say "i fackin love your car, Todd"


...that is all.

[Me walking] walks out of the thread. [/Me walking]

Thanks buddy...:cheers:

[GregWeld]

I'd like it way better if it was white with blue stripes... a little more firebirdish.
:lol:

[Flash68]

I'd like it way better if it was white with blue stripes... a little more firebirdish.
:lol:

maybe YOU should have bid on it then :_paranoid

[awr68]

Moving along nicely Todd! Who bought the wheels/tires?

[Vegas69]

SSable(Justin) is putting them on his 67 that's about ready for paint.

[awr68]

Cool.........We will need pics!!

[GregWeld]

Todd --

Let me know if you're going to use beadlock A/C hose and fittings... I have the MasterCool crimper -- all you need is a vice to hold it.... clock 'em and crush 'em....

I could just send it down.

PS - If you use the "cad" plated ones -- buff 'em up before you put 'em on the hose - they'll look like chrome. And you'll go faster.

[Vegas69]

Greg, I'll take you up on that deal. I was just thinking about who was going to crimp them this morning.

[GregWeld]

If you're ready -- I'll fire it off today -- if not let me know....

PM or email me a shipping address.

Let's talk when you get it - and I'll make sure you don't create leakers...

[waynieZ]

Sweet deal Greg.

[GregWeld]

Sweet deal Greg.

Spreadin' the love buddy - just spreadin' the love.

[Vegas69]

I spent a few hours in the garage tonight mainly working on plumbing the AC. Basically figuring out the cleanest way to route all my hoses and wiring and what fittings and extra hose I needed to order. I think I have a solid game plan that should look clean but easy to work on.

I also went down and picked up my condensor brackets. They turned out perfect. I designed them so they wouldn't restrict any air flow to the radiator but only required two bolts to hold in the condensor. It's 1/4 aluminum which is probably a little over kill but I plan on some pretty sustained high speed in this car. They will get the krylon touch so they disappear and more appropriate hardware.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Condensorpics002.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Condensorpics003.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Condensorpics004.jpg

[DFRESH]

T, when is the new mondo radiator suppossed to show up? Please get pics of it also---looking forward to the setup of the oil cooler portion of that. Are you plugging in a power steering cooler as well?

Doug

[KPC67]

Thats a neat idea

[Vegas69]

The oil cooler portion will be a piece of cake. I'm using an internal 12 plate heat exchanger with 12AN connections. I decided to go this direction mainly due to packaging. The engine t stat will regulate the oil temp and require no oil stat. The jury is out whether it will cut the chase on extended road racing. With the new aluminum block, double pass radiator, 13 qts of semi synthetic oil, I feel it will be plenty for what I intend to do with the car. I have no current plans for a power steering cooler but there will be room now if I end up needing it. I've got the turn 1 pump now that's under driven at high rpm. If I have problems, it wil get one.

[70rs]

Nice work on the brackets there Todd.
What do you have going in place for the radiator?

[MarkM66]

Work out a deal with V/A, send them the specs to those brackets, and they give you a cut of the profits.

Yours is so much better.

[waynieZ]

The brackets look great, with easy access to them.

[Vegas69]

The brackets cost about $60 so I doubt Vintage Air would be to excited about the venture. :D As soon as I get the radiator, I'll post some pics. Should have it in a couple weeks.

[Vegas69]

Jason over at Pettis Performance sent me some photos today. He's right on schedule.

In the first two photos the block is being decked and bored.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/boringblock.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/deckingblock.jpg

The factory lifter brackets bosses have been removed so he can install screens.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/valleywithtowers-1.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/valleyaftercuttingtowers.jpg

[Vegas69]

Here is the port work. The chambers, intake, and exhaust ports have been reworked.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/chamberported1novalvejob.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/chamberported2novalvejob.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/intakerunnerported.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/exhaustrunnerported.jpg

[Vegas69]

It looks like he massaged the crank....I'll have to ask.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/crankshaft.jpg

[waynieZ]

Who would have thought a big hunk of aluminum could be so pretty! Very nice Todd.

[Aschle]

Very nice !!! What sort of #'s are you expecting out of it?

Jason

[tones2SS]

Awesome Todd.
Should be a blast to drive when complete!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[skatinjay27]

hell Im even more scared to go for a ride!!!:lol:

[Vegas69]

That's alright, we'll just get you some depends and life insurance. :rofl:

[GregWeld]

Geez -- Too bad about that hairline fracture... You see it... right there... no lower... :rofl:

The felt pen "name" on the counterweight will probably throw it out of balance.

[Vegas69]

That ain't funny Weld.

[89 RS]

Geez -- Too bad about that hairline fracture... You see it... right there... no lower... :rofl:

The felt pen "name" on the counterweight will probably throw it out of balance.

That ain't funny Weld.


:lol: You guys are not right.

[waynieZ]

Todd keep the pictures coming ,its winter up here in the North East not sunny like in Vegas. I need something to get me through the dark cold days till spring.

[tones2SS]

hell Im even more scared to go for a ride!!!:lol:

AJ, is this because of Todd's driving or his new "monster" engine?!?! lollll..:lol:
Just kidding Todd. I'm anxious to see and hear this bad boy!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[g356gear]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0544.jpg


Hey Todd,
Where did you find those plug wire insulators?

[GregWeld]

You can find them here in colors ---


http://cableorganizer.com/insultherm-spark/


But I'd check Summit Racing...

[GregWeld]

Here ya go -- I'm doing Todd's secretarial work now...

These are available from Summit Racing... $16. I post the black versions but they also have colors.


http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010511/

[Vegas69]

Thank you Greg for your considerable skills. I wouldn't run wires under the header again. The photo is a header setup for a stock subframe, my new headers are tighter. I have my engine torn down and after inspecting all the wires and boots it was a matter of time before I had a misfire. Mine will be along the valve cover rail. Function then form for me.

[chr2002ca]

...I wouldn't run wires under the header again...

Agreed. I spent countless hours trying to get my wires running under the headers and still went through 2 sets before giving up and running them along the valve covers also.

I hope your new engine is coming along nicely Todd! :hail:

[redfire69]

Awesome engine Todd. What BBC headers do you guys recommend w stock SF and a steering box? Do they all have to be "clearanced"?

[Aschle]

Granted, I have a small block, but in my 91' Camaro I have my wires run underneathe the headers and they are doing great. I routed them that way back in 99' :thumbsup:

Jason

[Vegas69]

Awesome engine Todd. What BBC headers do you guys recommend w stock SF and a steering box? Do they all have to be "clearanced"?

You can't beat a set of Lemons. Mine fit perfect.

Jason, I'm running 2 1/8 primaries(Bigger than most cars exhaust) and the headers must hug the block tight for the steering shaft. The factory ran them under in many of the late model small block applications. Two different ball games. The last thing I want is to develop a misfire in the middle of a race or cruise. I always carried an extra plug and wire just because I knew it was a compromise for cleanliness.

[chr2002ca]

Same deal with me. Big block with 2" primaries and they hug the block close due to my steering box(and I would not recommend Hedman headers). Passenger side was easy on the wires. Driver's side was a nightmare, no matter how strategic I was or how much heat shielding I used. It just wasn't meant to be.

[redfire69]

Thanks guys, appreciate the quick replies! :lateral:

[Vegas69]

I spent most of the afternoon in the garage. My engine dyno is tenantively scheduled for next Monday so I'm trying to get a head start.:D I insulated the firewall and cowl with second skin dyna pro. I've got the AC/Heat all mocked up and all the routing and fittings figured out. I'll have the unit back under the dash next week and get the wiring buttoned up. I'm going to wait until the engine is in to plumb everything else. I did get the condensor brackets painted and installed. It disappears nicely. I wired in another LED in series with the current high beam LED. It was just to bright at night. This will cut the voltage in half and it should be about right. I just shrink wrapped it so it won't emit light. I also cut the hole for the oil temp gauge between the speedo and tach. That wasn't fun, one mistake and it needed repainted. Turned out nice. I also played with pedeal ratios. I drilled a hole 5/8 higher which takes it from a current 8:1 ratio to a 12.4:1. Basically cutting pedal pressure needed by a 1/3rd. The side effect is less piston travel per stroke. After mocking it up and measuring, I decided to stay with the current setup. If I decide to go to a 1" bore master later, this hole would give me the same pedal feel with more volume. The dash insert is back in and I'll get the radio and steering column back in the insert tomorrow.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2610001.jpg
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http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2610009.jpg
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[Lenie]

Todd you get more done in a weekend then I do in a month. It's looking good, looking forward to seeing it when it's completed but then again, I also liked it before the remodel. Man I need to throw my couch away.:lol:

[DFRESH]

T, are you running the cable operated Vintage Air? Trying to determine if those knobs you have which control the AC/Heater functions operate the cables or do they hook up via wires?

Doug

[Vegas69]

Todd you get more done in a weekend then I do in a month. It's looking good, looking forward to seeing it when it's completed but then again, I also liked it before the remodel. Man I need to throw my couch away.:lol:

Ya, I even left out some stuff. :rofl: I find myself scrutinizing my previous work. I added some mesh to a couple areas of the dash harness that may rub through in say 100,000 miles. LOL I wired the new gauge through the connector. American autowire doesn't sell the terminals but they were nice enough to send me a few for free. It's scary, the car is really getting close to being 100% done.

[Vegas69]

T, are you running the cable operated Vintage Air? Trying to determine if those knobs you have which control the AC/Heater functions operate the cables or do they hook up via wires?

Doug

I'm running a Gen IV unit and it's electric. It's a pretty slick set up. I only need to run one wire through the firewall so it's going to be an ultra clean install. I already had wired in a ground from the fan relays for the trinary switch.

[MWCC]

Todd,

I love following your progress. Very thorough and great attention to detail. I know what you mean about the brightness of the LED. In the past I have installed a regular incandescent bulb in-line to draw some voltage and it really cut down the LED brightness.

You say your almost done with your car?? Are you sure you want to stick with that statement?:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

For now...:D

[MWCC]

For now...:D

Spoken like a true gearhead!! :cheers:

[DFRESH]

Ya, I even left out some stuff. :rofl: I find myself scrutinizing my previous work. I added some mesh to a couple areas of the dash harness that may rub through in say 100,000 miles. LOL I wired the new gauge through the connector. American autowire doesn't sell the terminals but they were nice enough to send me a few for free. It's scary, the car is really getting close to being 100% done.

Was that last sentence for Kelli or what? :lol:

[Vegas69]

Yeah right....

[PSV]

What are the chances of having another set of the condensor brackets made? I have an extra 1" bore wilwood master I would trade for a set. Its new I just went with a black one in 7/8 instead. I would also gladly purchase a set if possible.

[Vegas69]

I'm interested, let me check and make sure he saved the file.:thumbsup:

[PSV]

That would be great. Thanks!

[DFRESH]

Todd---in regards to the upper bars (on G-Bar setup) did you get rid of the both the bushings (front and rear) and convert to rod ends/heim joints, or did you keep one side as is and covert the other?

I have pics of your lowers and know you kept the poly front bushing on it and converted the rear of the bar.

Thanks bro.

Doug

[Vegas69]

I converted both. I felt that they would take most of the punishment on the race track.

[Vegas69]

Nothing to exciting. I'm just getting as ready as possible for my new engine. I managed to order 2 fittings the wrong size from vintage air or I'd have the unit in the dash and done...:rolleyes: I did start crimping some lines. I've been spending some time at the nursing home trying to keep this old guys spirit up. He just happened to have a crimper he borrowed me. Thanks Greg! :D
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2910002.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2910003.jpg

I cleaned all my accessories and they are ready to go back on. I also brushed my puke tank and coolant resorvoir. I sealed them with metal sealer. They are supposed to sit a day or two before wiping it off. I'll be running 2 puke tanks so I'll have to go through the whole process on the new one to match it. I had them both polished up and looking pretty. Wasn't feeling it.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2910015.jpg

I pulled apart my accumulator to clean out all the old oil and possible debris even though it's after the oil filter. What a bitch getting that thing apart. I got all the oil out of it with some brake cleaner and then headed for the kitchen to was everything with soap and hot water. I got caught in the act and she didn't say a word. :thumbsup: Anytime I deal with internals, I like to use paper towels. It's clean as a whistle and back together. I thought some of you might be interested in the inner working of an accumulator. Super simple piece that most engine builders swear by.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2910009.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update2910010.jpg

[GregWeld]

Nice crimper!

Have a glass of vegetable juice before using it - makes it work better!

[g356gear]

I got all the oil out of it with some brake cleaner and then headed for the kitchen to was everything with soap and hot water. I got caught in the act and she didn't say a word. :thumbsup:


Just wait till you start washing parts in the dishwasher. ;)

[GregWeld]

Maybe she saw sparkly metal and thought it was a ring??

:rofl:

[waynieZ]

If she thought it was a ring and it wasn't, he would have been in alot more trouble than just washing parts in the sink.

[Vegas69]

Maybe she saw sparkly metal and thought it was a ring??

:rofl:

She would of fainted....:rofl:

[tones2SS]

Is your engine just about done Todd? Any word on it?

[syborg tt]

I've always loved seeing picture of this car. I never new there was a build thread on the car.

Wow you have done an incredible job documenting the build of this car.

[Vegas69]

Thanks Marty, it's as much bull ****ting as it is car stuff. I enjoy it.

Tone, it will be next week. Jason called today and the rods were hitting in an unusual place between the cylinders and camshaft. It's all clearanced now but that meant going from the assembly room back to the dirty area. He normally dry test fits everything but didn't expect issues since the paperwork clearly states the block will clear up to a 4.375 stroke. Evidentally the H beams are a little chunkier than GM used to spec out the block. Just a small bump in the road.

[GregWeld]

Todd --

It's the proverbial 3 lbs of S*** in a 1 lb can...

Motor guy came to the shed today... and it's amazing all the little details they have to watch for with these "special" blocks... and mine isn't really so special... but we have to remember to use a small base circle cam... and .300 taller lifters... and a pan that's made for a wider rail... and...

[tones2SS]

Tone, it will be next week. Jason called today and the rods were hitting in an unusual place between the cylinders and camshaft. It's all clearanced now but that meant going from the assembly room back to the dirty area. He normally dry test fits everything but didn't expect issues since the paperwork clearly states the block will clear up to a 4.375 stroke. Evidentally the H beams are a little chunkier than GM used to spec out the block. Just a small bump in the road.

Better he found out then, then if it got back to you in that condition. But, like you said, they are a reputable engine builder.
Good deal. Keep us posted bud!:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

It will be like a double blueprint build because he will be checking the assemble again.

[Vegas69]

Now that I'm running dual crankcase puke cans, I had to find a clean place to mount the coolant recirculating tank. I want to keep the crankcase vent fittings, hoses, and tanks in harmony. So I decided to draw me up another sketch and send it over to my trust water jet guy.I designed it so it would all but disapear. I also brushed this tank and sealed it. I'll be using -6 fittings and hoses. The bracket will get the krylon touch in semi gloss to blend in with the inner fender.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610014.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610007.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610004.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610003.jpg


I also began mocking up the new radiator. I want to use the same holes as with the old radiator. I asked for the mounting tabs to be blank. I decided to wait until the engine is back in to locate my holes. They don't call it a big block for nothing. It's tight between all my accessories and the cooling fans. I'll wait so I can jockey it around and make sure I have proper clearance. It's going to look great in there.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610001.jpg

[GregWeld]

Nice!

Next time you show your hands in a pix -- throw some dirt on 'em.

:rofl:

[98ssnova]

Todd I like the lower mount for you radiator. can you even still use that book with all the stuff you have to the car:lol: :lol:

[Vegas69]

Todd I like the lower mount for you radiator. can you even still use that book with all the stuff you have to the car:lol: :lol:

Not much!

[Bowtieracing]

Now that I'm running dual crankcase puke cans, I had to find a clean place to mount the coolant recirculating tank. I want to keep the crankcase vent fittings, hoses, and tanks in harmony. So I decided to draw me up another sketch and send it over to my trust water jet guy.I designed it so it would all but disapear. I also brushed this tank and sealed it. I'll be using -6 fittings and hoses. The bracket will get the krylon touch in semi gloss to blend in with the inner fender.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610014.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update21610007.jpg



I really like the recovery tank Todd!! How did you brushed it? I need to do same for my billet specialties polished one.

[Vegas69]

I polished it, then used red scotch brite with even strokes multiple times. Then sealed it.

[Bow Tie 67]

.......... even strokes multiple times. .............. Then sealed it.

This my man is why you are called a " Car Guy "




Nice progress, and looks like today will be the day this thread hits 100k views

[Vegas69]

You mean take a 1/2 hour job and turn it into a 2-3 hour job. :unibrow: I really enjoy this little stuff that makes the car unique to your own taste. I'll be designing a coil bracket for the intake when the engine is ready.

[tones2SS]

As usual, awesome Todd.
You do a lot of work on your own car, which is great. And looks awesome too.
Keep us posted buddy!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[GregWeld]

DING DING DING DING DING


100,000 page views!!!



EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA


:woot:

[monza]

DING DING DING DING DING


100,000 page views!!!



EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA


:woot:


Beers on me, when ever were altogether! :cheers:

[Vegas69]

Have you seen me drink?

[monza]

Have you seen me drink?

I'm not worried you should be able to keep up....

[Vegas69]

You must need help then..:lol: You coming down for RTTH West?

[waynieZ]

Looking good. The bracket looks great.

[Steve1968LS2]

Beers on me, when ever were altogether! :cheers:

:woot:

Get this car "done" so we can feature it.. or even better.. test and feature it :)

[Bow Tie 67]

:woot:

Get this car "done" so we can feature it.. or even better.. test and feature it :)


Look whos talking, " done " is not in either of your vocabulary.

[Vegas69]

I'm actually open to letting you guys test her out. It's close to where I want it for the feature. It will have to be good enough once the new engine is in and I make some tweaks for the better under the hood. The rear sway bar should loosen the car up just enough to to help rotate the ass end in teh slow autocross corners and slalom. Between that and losing 150lbs on the nose, it will be interesing.:thumbsup:

Agreed Matt, never done but this motor deal was part neccesity and part snowball.:unibrow: There are a few exterior cosmetic things I'm kicking around now that the Forgelines are full time. Racing and having fun are first on the list.

[Flash68]

100,000+ views now I see.... Todd, you big stud you! :lol:

[GregWeld]

100,000+ views now I see.... Todd, you big stud you! :lol:

It's like watching a train wreck - you just can't turn away! :rofl:

[Vegas69]

Hey boys, somebody has to do it. 100,000 views and 0 stars. :rofl:

[g356gear]

Hey boys, somebody has to do it. 100,000 views and 0 stars. :rofl:

Voila:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Hey boys, somebody has to do it. 100,000 views and 0 stars. :rofl:

I always thought you were the star Todd!
:rofl:

[ProdigyCustoms]

[QUOTE=Vegas69;269921] There are a few exterior cosmetic things I'm kicking around now that the Forgelines are full time. QUOTE]

Oh do I have something cool for you. Something I just ordered for my black car! Shhh!

[Vegas69]

You're like a crack dealer. :D Clue me in via email dude.

[tones2SS]

100,000+ views now I see.... Todd, you big stud you! :lol:

Dave, don't be making his head bigger than it already is!! lollll..:lol: :wow:
That would be awesome if Payback gets a feature. That car is definitely worthy of it.:cheers:

[monza]

Oh do I have something cool for you. Something I just ordered for my black car! Shhh!

I wanna see too!

[DOOM]

[QUOTE=Vegas69;269921] There are a few exterior cosmetic things I'm kicking around now that the Forgelines are full time. QUOTE]

Oh do I have something cool for you. Something I just ordered for my black car! Shhh!

Frank..... Come on ,give it up !!:yes:

[Vegas69]

:unibrow: Top secret....

[Bow Tie 67]

I know .......... a bra?

[Vegas69]

I didn't do much this weekend. I need an engine. Looks very likely for this coming week. :thumbsup: However I went off the deep end on the brushing. All AC/Heat fittings, air cleaner lid, hose seperators, and both breather catch cans. All sealed and ready to go.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update22110008.jpg

[GregWeld]

I know .......... a bra?

Hey! He's in good shape! He don't need no stickin' bra...

[akrapovic]

Are you running a catch can off of both valve covers?

[Vegas69]

Yep, my new engine builder recommended it and not why you think. It's a matter of crank case air speed. One vent would evacuate the system but the air speed is higher and will carry more oil vapor. I didn't have any issues with the old setup but I only road raced it once. I'd rather it was over kill if anything.

[g356gear]

I polished it, then used red scotch brite with even strokes multiple times. Then sealed it.

What do you use as a sealer? Matt finish clear?

[Vegas69]

Just Wizards metal sealer.

[skatinjay27]

I didn't do much this weekend. I need an engine. Looks very likely for this coming week. :thumbsup: However I went off the deep end on the brushing. All AC/Heat fittings, air cleaner lid, hose seperators, and both breather catch cans. All sealed and ready to go.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Update22110008.jpg
hey that table looks to have a cowl on it!;)

[tones2SS]

hey that table looks to have a cowl on it!;)

WOW, good eye AJ!!:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Ya, I'm a little out of space. It's hard to believe how much crap fits on these cars.

[skatinjay27]

WOW, good eye AJ!!:thumbsup:

naw... i somewhat cheated as i helped him make that table a few months back LOL

[tones2SS]

naw... i somewhat cheated as i helped him make that table a few months back LOL

lollllll....:cheers:

[MarkM66]

What's the status on the engine? Is it being built?

What oil pan will you be using?

[Vegas69]

Hoping to dyno it still this week. I'll talk to Jason later today but that was the game plan. I'll be running the Milodon road race pan with scraper and windage tray along with a 3 quart accumulator.

[waynieZ]

That will be plenty of oil protection. Did the builder let you know what he's expecting for power numbers?

[tones2SS]

Awesome. Should be killer power and torque numbers.:thumbsup:

[g356gear]

Hoping to dyno it still this week. I'll talk to Jason later today but that was the game plan. I'll be running the Milodon road race pan with scraper and windage tray along with a 3 quart accumulator.
Did you ever consider dry sump?

[Vegas69]

Not seriously, it's just to late in the game. That was a decisioin that needed to be made about 2 years ago in the fabrication stage. This will work fine.

[DFRESH]

Impressive as always bro---you are a craftsman for sure.

Doug

[Vegas69]

My new plate....
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/createplateimage.jpg

[98ssnova]

BA Todd hurry up and get this motor already:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Scheduled for Friday which just happens to by my birthday. :thumbsup: As long as Jason doesn't run into any problems finishing the assembly tomorrow, I'm headed over Friday morning for dyno flogging and hauling her home Friday night. :D :D

[monza]

Nice Bday present! Take some dyno vid for sure.

[waynieZ]

Sweet thats great news you got to be stoked. I can't think of a better way for a car guy to spend a birthday. I'm glad to see it coming together for you.Thats a great looking plate.

[tones2SS]

My new plate....
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/createplateimage.jpg

Cool looking plate Todd!!:thumbsup:

Scheduled for Friday which just happens to by my birthday. :thumbsup: As long as Jason doesn't run into any problems finishing the assembly tomorrow, I'm headed over Friday morning for dyno flogging and hauling her home Friday night. :D :D

Talk about a "happy" birthday present. That will be killer!! I hope all goes well for you so you get to bring that bad boy home.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
(Friday happens to my birthday as well!!:cheers: )

[GregWeld]

Times are tough.... times are hard.... Here's your f********* birthday card!:D



Nice plate!

Enjoy tomorrow!

[waynieZ]

How's it looking for Friday? Is the engine going to be done?

[Vegas69]

He just called and it's a go....:thumbsup: :willy:

[waynieZ]

Ye Haaa Glad to hear it Todd. good for you.....

[Kendall Burleson]

Are you dyno before you bring it home?:willy:

[Vegas69]

Yep, I'm heading over there at 7 AM to watch hime break it in and then find the sweet spot. I'll have HD video and dyno sheets soon. :D

[Kendall Burleson]

Cool can't wait to hear it then will you try to run it after SEMA if invited.

[mdprovee]

Hey Todd,

Make sure you take lots of photos..cant wait to see it in April.

[98ssnova]

Happy B-day bud now lets see the vid show us the presents:willy:

[GregWeld]

98ssNova

Kelli would slap your face if she heard you.... :rofl:


I can't imagine how much fun it would be to get to watch your brand new motor hammer the dyno... Forget the cake -- give me another pull!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tones2SS]

That is awesome Todd. You must be sikked!:wow: :thumbsup:
Happy Birthday bud.:cheers:

[Spiffav8]

I'll be home for R&R in a few weeks. Think you can have it up and running by then?

:unibrow:

[waynieZ]

Happy birthday Todd . Now lets see that video!

[98ssnova]

98ssNova

Kelli would slap your face if she heard you.... :rofl:


I can't imagine how much fun it would be to get to watch your brand new motor hammer the dyno... Forget the cake -- give me another pull!!

EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

Hopefully Todd dont mix these up:rofl: :rofl:

[BBC71Nova]

Happy b-day Todd! Now where are those dayum dyno videos :rofl:

[DFRESH]

I spoke with Todd---he will be home in about half and hour (about 9:00 p.m. west coast) and said he was going to let everyone know how the day went.

Happy Birthday Bro---

Doug

[Matt@BOS]

Happy b-day Todd! Now where are those dayum dyno videos :rofl:

I second this. We need documentation of the unadulterated awesomeness.

[Vegas69]

Thanks for the birthday wishes:cheers: I started a new thread on the ZL-1.:unibrow: