Project "Payback" [Archive] - Page 12

Vegas69

04-08-2012, 11:42 AM

Modification 4,063 and 4,064.

As the car and myself have gradually gotten faster along with the onset of old age, :unibrow: safety comes into play. One thing I've always wished I had was a power cut off switch. A majority of fires are caused my an electrical short. It will also be nice while servicing the car. Flaming river makes this big daddy that is NHRA approved and will take 2500 amps for 5 second intervals and 200 continous. Maybe a little over kill but I like a margin of safey. http://www.flamingriver.com/index.php/products/c0015/s0004/FR1003-2 I set out to poke a hole in the rear facia right below the bumper but couldn't bring myself to it. I'll probably do it down the road. Anyway, I just put a make shift T handle on it for now but it's in the right location for the rod down the road. As usual, this turned into quite a little project. I had to rework all the cables and wires minus the negative side. I'm happy with the look and function. I'm going to order a different sticker with the push off instructions. I also plan to cover the terminals. The only bitch I have with it is a roll pin holds the lever on and you must install the switch in the bracket before you put the arm on and beat in the roll pin. The arm won't fit through the hole in the bracket. The hole is also at and angle so a machine screw won't work.
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The second thing I added is a ROLL OVER SWITCH. I wired it into the ground side of my fuel pump relay. The car must be upside down for this switch to cut the ground to the relay. While I hope to never test this one out, I wouldn't want to be upside down with 140 per hour flowing. It's the red capped switch next to the fuel pump relay. I wired it so that if it malfunctions, I can simply uplug the connections and bypass it. The switch is made by painless.
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Neither mod was very expensive, I probably have $250 in the whole deal. The cut off switch was pretty time consuming but that was due to packaging and working around the previous set up. I wouldn't build another car without either.

Flash68

04-08-2012, 12:05 PM

Ron in SoCal

04-08-2012, 12:16 PM

I was just talking w Mike @ Musclerodz about this yesterday. Like you my big hold up was routing the cut-off switch through the rear of the car.

Glad you're thinking safety Todd...:cheers: Maybe in 2017 I'll get to it :lol:

EDIT: Another thought I had is maybe a cut-off lanyard like boat racers use? If they get thrown from the boat it kills all major systems so you don't get mowed down.

intocarss

04-08-2012, 12:57 PM

Nice work.:thumbsup: I just installed one too. Now i got to rewire the bat wire for the stereo back to the battery so it doesn't erase the memory everytime i hit the main kill switch

They also make a remote cable and handle that goes into the car so you can kill it yourself and from the outside. Summit # LOK-1330023

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-1330023/

Todd... does that switch work with an alternator?

Vegas69

04-08-2012, 05:02 PM

When we're all getting caught up in our next 10 hp mod, good call on a pause for safety. Lots of people read this thread obviously so hopefully others consider it. Or just get a mechanical fuel pump. :D

I like my pump 12 inches from the pickup and flooded, thanks anyway. :unibrow:

I was just talking w Mike @ Musclerodz about this yesterday. Like you my big hold up was routing the cut-off switch through the rear of the car.

Glad you're thinking safety Todd...:cheers: Maybe in 2017 I'll get to it :lol:

EDIT: Another thought I had is maybe a cut-off lanyard like boat racers use? If they get thrown from the boat it kills all major systems so you don't get mowed down.

I'd install a cutoff switch when you wire the car. If I was to start over, it would likely have a cutoff switch in the dash similar to Nascar. That still doesn't stop a short from the positive cable since that's a long run from the trunk. My postive cable is only 6-8 inches from the battery to the switch. That's a good thing.

Nice work.:thumbsup: I just installed one too. Now i got to rewire the bat wire for the stereo back to the battery so it doesn't erase the memory everytime i hit the main kill switch

They also make a remote cable and handle that goes into the car so you can kill it yourself and from the outside. Summit # LOK-1330023

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LOK-1330023/

Todd... does that switch work with an alternator?

This switch does not get wired into the ignition system. That would be another benefit of the dash mounted switch. I listen to my Ipod or exhaust so radio stations weren't that important. :unibrow: I may play around a little in PSCA down the road and want to be legal.

intocarss

04-08-2012, 06:45 PM

I like my pump 12 inches from the pickup and flooded, thanks anyway. :unibrow:

I'd install a cutoff switch when you wire the car. If I was to start over, it would likely have a cutoff switch in the dash similar to Nascar. That still doesn't stop a short from the positive cable since that's a long run from the trunk. My postive cable is only 6-8 inches from the battery to the switch. That's a good thing.

This switch does not get wired into the ignition system. That would be another benefit of the dash mounted switch. I listen to my Ipod or exhaust so radio stations weren't that important. :unibrow: I may play around a little in PSCA down the road and want to be legal. What I am asking is.. If you flip the main switch in the trunk to off...does it kill the eng? NHRA track techs "sometimes" check that. And if it doesn't, they won't let you run until it is fixed.

IMOHO if I'm in a wreck I want everything to be shut OFF with one switch eng, fuel pump etc. Just trying to help. My iPod is in my truck.. old owner cheaped out on the stereo in the Cam.

Jtomas801

04-08-2012, 06:52 PM

When I get to the wiring part of my car I am thinking about using this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-30204/

Can wire the toggle switch at the dash, but it disconnects the positive cable at the battery. The only thing is, you would have to wire in another toggle switch so some one could get to it on the outside, per NHRA rules.

Jon

coolwelder62

04-08-2012, 08:05 PM

Todd, Very nice update.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Vegas69

04-08-2012, 08:49 PM

What I am asking is.. If you flip the main switch in the trunk to off...does it kill the eng? NHRA track techs "sometimes" check that. And if it doesn't, they won't let you run until it is fixed.

IMOHO if I'm in a wreck I want everything to be shut OFF with one switch eng, fuel pump etc. Just trying to help. My iPod is in my truck.. old owner cheaped out on the stereo in the Cam.

The answer is NO. The car will continue to run with the switch in the off position. My main focus was a short but I didn't think about them verifying it would kill the engine. I'm not tearing the entire car apart so it will have to do. :D I knew it was likely that it wouldn't kill the engine.

When I get to the wiring part of my car I am thinking about using this:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRF-30204/

Can wire the toggle switch at the dash, but it disconnects the positive cable at the battery. The only thing is, you would have to wire in another toggle switch so some one could get to it on the outside, per NHRA rules.

Jon
See my lesson in paragraph one. :lol:

Todd, Very nice update.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you sir.:cheers:

Jtomas801

04-08-2012, 09:06 PM

Gotcha :thumbsup:

Jon

intocarss

04-08-2012, 09:15 PM

Cool and respected. If you want it to kill the eng and have a 1 wire Alt. use the proper gauge wire and run it from the alt battery main output directly to the battery positive post, and no where else. That will kill the car instantly when you hit the switch. Or If you see they are checking for it at the track, just unhook the Alt when going through Tech. But you didn't hear that from me

Vegas69

04-08-2012, 09:19 PM

Vegas69

04-15-2012, 12:40 AM

Slept in till 9. Ate breakfast at 11 and headed out to the racetrack. :unibrow: I was greeted with some of the usual faces. The Pozzi's, Mr. Alcala, Hobaugh, and last and certainly least, Cris Gonzalez and his latest creation, blue balz that still hasn't got a nut. :lol: In all honesty, I think Brian has bleed that thing dry and them balz ain't blue no mo.

Back to my car. The autocross was a 1st gear good guys type autocross but I had a blast. This was the first outing with the new AFCO rear shocks. I tell you what, the car was good right from the start. Within my first 5-7 runs I clocked a 28.1 which was good for 3rd place for the day. Mary ran a 27.3 and Hobaugh a 27.4. I have alignment changes planned and I may go back to my old front compression setting to get a little more front grip. The loose condition present at El Toro is gone. They had a shoot out between the top 3 non hotchkis sponsored cars and I was the 2nd fastest behing Hobaugh for the day. Your best time of the day was your dial in(28.1) and they added the difference between your dial in and 3 runs to see how consistent you were. I ended up in 3rd place as I was right in the 29-29.3 range. Not my best runs but I was conscience of hitting a cone since that was a 2 second penalty and would've took me out.

Great day and I'd like to thank John Hotchkis for the opportunity to get 12-15 runs in such a short period of time. The Famous Dave's was icing on the cake. :thumbsup:
eSHOmXx9efo

Sieg

04-15-2012, 06:44 AM

Shocking results! :unibrow:

Track Junky

04-15-2012, 08:20 AM

Nice wheel work. Whats up with the passenger? Helmet rules dont apply? Or was that his helmet :rofl:

Vegas69

04-15-2012, 08:53 AM

That is Brian Hobaugh and helmets weren't required. I just had mine on since my Go Pro was mounted to it. Got the idea from Mr. Martinez.

WicKeD_SS

04-15-2012, 11:13 AM

Wow nice video! Would love to get a ride in that beast! :thumbsup:

GregWeld

04-15-2012, 12:50 PM

'bout time you finally took some lessons!

Listen to these guys -- Pozzi - Maier - Hobaugh... and it'll do ya more good than any money you can spend.

I'm only saying this -- not to poke you -- but to commend THEM that they're willing to share their knowledge with "us"! Amazing -- and that's the real spirit!

Vegas69

04-15-2012, 01:01 PM

Having Brian drive my car has been a big help in tuning and allowing him to drive my car showed me a faster way around the track. It was the end of the day so I only made one run after letting him take a few laps. I think with a few more tries I could've improved my best time of the day. Car is getting damn close to it's full potential and I'm creeping up there as well. Brian, Cris, and I talked shop for a few hours last night over some drinks and it's nice to share info as we all learned from the experience. At the end of the day, it's about having a good time.

cencalc6

04-15-2012, 01:20 PM

Love the way your car sounds :thumbsup: Todd What mufflers are you running?

Flash68

04-15-2012, 04:22 PM

Nice work. Who da thunk that fatty could get around a Goodguys style autoX so well? :unibrow:

So first Cris, now you adding Hobaugh to the payroll? :D

Shocking results! :unibrow:

Shocking that he finished near the top? :lol:

Sieg

04-15-2012, 05:09 PM

Shocking that he finished near the top? :lol:
Shocking as in once you experience what decent suspension valving delivers you understand why the real good stuff is real expensive.

The driving ability, motor, and brakes have been there, the shocks have been his handicap IMHO.

Vegas69

04-15-2012, 06:12 PM

Love the way your car sounds :thumbsup: Todd What mufflers are you running?

I have 3" pipe, x pipe, and Magnaflows that dump right before the axle. It sounded really good with the exhaust bouncing off the barriers. Oh ya, and I set off about 5 or 6 car alarms in the parking garage at the Cannery. :unibrow: I would like to put tail pipes on the car. It's got progressively louder or I've got OLD.

Nice work. Who da thunk that fatty could get around a Goodguys style autoX so well? :unibrow:

So first Cris, now you adding Hobaugh to the payroll? :D

Shocking that he finished near the top? :lol:
It does suprisingly well. I have so much engine braking with my big block and aluminum flywheel that it takes a unique driving style. Brian was struggling with it a little since he's used to LS engines. You really have to control front grip with the throttle.

I was thrilled to be that close to Mary & Brian.

Shocking as in once you experience what decent suspension valving delivers you understand why the real good stuff is real expensive.

The driving ability, motor, and brakes have been there, the shocks have been his handicap IMHO.

The shocks definitely made a big difference. The good news is I need to work on the front end again to find a little more grip as the rear is biting better than ever laterally.

We talked about the direction of this hobby and the different type of cars last night. The truth of the matter is that cars like mine and Blue Balz aren't capable of competing with guys like Brian and Mike. It's a simple matter of physics. Our cars are just to heavy. We are gaining tenths and we need seconds to catch up to the top of the field. Mark Stielow is the only one I know of that can win with a car this heavy. Remember, he has 830 ft lbs and ABS. And he's one hell of a wheel man. Guess what he's doing. Building a lighter car. I'm really close to the end of the rope with this car and it's capabilites. I'm having trouble with the thought of selling it but my ideals have changed and I know what I'm capable of building with all my experience. The flip side is I hate to give up the streetability of the car. I've really tried to keep that alive through all my tweaks. It's a great ALL AROUND performer. I just crave the race part more than anything else at this point.

skatinjay27

04-15-2012, 06:32 PM

damn there was ALOT of cones lol i guess they wanted to be sure no one would get lost!:lol:

73CPCAMARO

04-15-2012, 07:07 PM

Todd,

I am glad you made it out yesterday to MATS. It was a very fun weekend. Hotchkis did a really nice job putting on a well run event with more runs that I have ever had in two days. Your Camaro is awesome. The power is unbelievable and the handling is just a few tweeks away from being REALLY GOOD. Thanks for the opportunity to take me for some rides and let me have my hands at the wheel. :D You will really feel the difference once you make the adjustements we talked about with the alignment. Enjoy the car and have a great summer with it. Hope to see you soon at another event this summer.

Brian

Vegas69

04-15-2012, 08:29 PM

Sieg

04-15-2012, 08:47 PM

I just crave the race part more than anything else at this point.
Keep Payback, get Kelli a used Prius and build a light-weight track car. Just don't put Ford stripes on it. :lol:

Track Junky

04-15-2012, 09:35 PM

Keep Payback, get Kelli a used Prius and build a light-weight track car. Just don't put Ford stripes on it. :lol:

Kelli in a Prius after being behind the wheel of the Vette.......Dont think that will happen.
If you want to save some bucks put your '69 up on blocks, find a shell, then pull your motor and front suspension and throw them in the shell. Pick up another G-bar set up and toss that in. That way you can still keep your car and I won't have to hear about how much lighter I am than you. :lol: :unibrow:

sixnina

04-15-2012, 10:55 PM

I have 3" pipe, x pipe, and Magnaflows that dump right before the axle. It sounded really good with the exhaust bouncing off the barriers. Oh ya, and I set off about 5 or 6 car alarms in the parking garage at the Cannery. :unibrow: I would like to put tail pipes on the car. It's got progressively louder or I've got OLD.

It does suprisingly well. I have so much engine braking with my big block and aluminum flywheel that it takes a unique driving style. Brian was struggling with it a little since he's used to LS engines. You really have to control front grip with the throttle.

I was thrilled to be that close to Mary & Brian.

The shocks definitely made a big difference. The good news is I need to work on the front end again to find a little more grip as the rear is biting better than ever laterally.

We talked about the direction of this hobby and the different type of cars last night. The truth of the matter is that cars like mine and Blue Balz aren't capable of competing with guys like Brian and Mike. It's a simple matter of physics. Our cars are just to heavy. We are gaining tenths and we need seconds to catch up to the top of the field. Mark Stielow is the only one I know of that can win with a car this heavy. Remember, he has 830 ft lbs and ABS. And he's one hell of a wheel man. Guess what he's doing. Building a lighter car. I'm really close to the end of the rope with this car and it's capabilites. I'm having trouble with the thought of selling it but my ideals have changed and I know what I'm capable of building with all my experience. The flip side is I hate to give up the streetability of the car. I've really tried to keep that alive through all my tweaks. It's a great ALL AROUND performer. I just crave the race part more than anything else at this point.
Awesome Todd
That really shows how far you and the car have come but you can't be serious about getting rid of this beast already, any way what would you move to next?

Vegas69

04-16-2012, 07:42 AM

Matt@BOS

04-16-2012, 09:00 AM

I'm not serious today but I'd eventually like to take everything I've learned and build a more race inspired car. One where I could run SCCA road races, The Silver State Classic, run 10's in the .25. Certified cage, lighter, two set of wheels, etc.

So basically what you're telling us is that you want to build a car that is a little bit slower than project Unfair :unibrow:

Hey, it was fun riding around with you. I can see you've definitely picked up a little bit of Mary's driving style, and that's not a bad thing. I think if you stiffened Payback up front and rear you'd get more out of the car. You looked like you had pogo sticks for coil overs in the front. When the nose went down into corners it would bounce up and down at least once. It was the weirdest thing to watch. Anyway, she really surprised me how well she hussled around that parking lot, you know for having a big block, and all (I kid, I kid - the car was flat out fast). Now that you too are renting a hired gun, I'm sure you'll soon have a car that Brian can drive fast too :_paranoid

Matt

Sieg

04-16-2012, 09:13 AM

I'm not serious today but I'd eventually like to take everything I've learned and build a more race inspired car. One where I could run SCCA road races, The Silver State Classic, run 10's in the .25. Certified cage, lighter, two set of wheels, etc.That would be really enjoyable for someone with your abilities. Imagine how relaxing it would be to work on a car you really don't worry about chipping or scratching. :yes: Money spent purely on functional performance goes farther compared to blending of performance and apperance required in PT.

Having enough space is one of the big challenges. Having a residence with a large enough lot to put up a 40x60ish shop would be very convenient.

Cris@JCG

04-16-2012, 10:06 AM

Todd- Good to see to you again this weekend.. Hanging out with you & having a few drinks is never a dull moment.. Good to see that you let Brian drive your car again.. The input that he has given us on BB has helped us dial in the car pretty quick.. Take the advise he has given you & do it & you will see improvements ASAP.. If you need any help.. Just a phone call away..

If you build the race /street car! You are very capable of doing it.. I paid more attention to the details on your 69 this weekend.. Your work speaks for itself.. Awesome work! Just don't let the compliment go your head.. :lol:

sik68

04-16-2012, 11:03 AM

In-car camera! :thumbsup: it's fun to watch the hands to see what the car is doing.

6D9

04-16-2012, 04:41 PM

That would be really enjoyable for someone with your abilities. Imagine how relaxing it would be to work on a car you really don't worry about chipping or scratching. :yes: Money spent purely on functional performance goes farther compared to blending of performance and apperance required in PT.

Having enough space is one of the big challenges. Having a residence with a large enough lot to put up a 40x60ish shop would be very convenient.

Man I completely agree. Before getting really getting into cars I was building rockcrawlers/off-road rigs. They always we're scratched and dented so I never worried about them. With my current camaro that is nowhere close to paybacks build is to nice to beat the crap out of it without being all paranoid. That's why I picked up that little lightweight cheap foxbody to beat on....lol. I would hate to see you sell Payback as it just does everything so well. But....I understand you thoughts of building a purpose built trackcar.

intocarss

04-16-2012, 05:38 PM

Most important thing is SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Track Junky

04-16-2012, 05:44 PM

Most important thing is SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Big Time

GRob

04-16-2012, 07:03 PM

Why not just build an rcr slc and have a far better platform for all that in the first place? I mean the g-machines being built are awesome but if you want to go really stupid fast everywhere, start with the best platform you can.

http://www.mad4wheels.com/webpics/hires/00002619%20-%202008%20Race%20Car%20Replicas%20Superlite%20coup é%20SL-C%20Spec/2008_Race_Car_Replicas_Superlite_coupé_SL-C_Spec_005_7170.jpg

Flash68

04-16-2012, 08:22 PM

Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D

Sieg

04-16-2012, 08:42 PM

Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D
:rofl: :rofl:

Vegas69

04-16-2012, 09:40 PM

So basically what you're telling us is that you want to build a car that is a little bit slower than project Unfair :unibrow:

Hey, it was fun riding around with you. I can see you've definitely picked up a little bit of Mary's driving style, and that's not a bad thing. I think if you stiffened Payback up front and rear you'd get more out of the car. You looked like you had pogo sticks for coil overs in the front. When the nose went down into corners it would bounce up and down at least once. It was the weirdest thing to watch. Anyway, she really surprised me how well she hussled around that parking lot, you know for having a big block, and all (I kid, I kid - the car was flat out fast). Now that you too are renting a hired gun, I'm sure you'll soon have a car that Brian can drive fast too :_paranoid

Matt

Glad you were along for the ride on my best lap. The engine braking in my car will make the front end bite pretty hard just easing off the throttle a hair mid corner. Not sure if that's what you are talking about.

That would be really enjoyable for someone with your abilities. Imagine how relaxing it would be to work on a car you really don't worry about chipping or scratching. :yes: Money spent purely on functional performance goes farther compared to blending of performance and apperance required in PT.

Having enough space is one of the big challenges. Having a residence with a large enough lot to put up a 40x60ish shop would be very convenient.

I really don't worry about it anymore. I throw some bath towels over the fenders and tape things up as needed. You have to remember that this car has almost 7k and 25 races or more on it's belt. It's got some scars from all the good times.

Todd- Good to see to you again this weekend.. Hanging out with you & having a few drinks is never a dull moment.. Good to see that you let Brian drive your car again.. The input that he has given us on BB has helped us dial in the car pretty quick.. Take the advise he has given you & do it & you will see improvements ASAP.. If you need any help.. Just a phone call away..

If you build the race /street car! You are very capable of doing it.. I paid more attention to the details on your 69 this weekend.. Your work speaks for itself.. Awesome work! Just don't let the compliment go your head.. :lol:

Big compliment from you Cris. :cheers: It's been a blast noodling eachother over the last few months.

In-car camera! :thumbsup: it's fun to watch the hands to see what the car is doing.

It was your idea.:unibrow:
Man I completely agree. Before getting really getting into cars I was building rockcrawlers/off-road rigs. They always we're scratched and dented so I never worried about them. With my current camaro that is nowhere close to paybacks build is to nice to beat the crap out of it without being all paranoid. That's why I picked up that little lightweight cheap foxbody to beat on....lol. I would hate to see you sell Payback as it just does everything so well. But....I understand you thoughts of building a purpose built trackcar.

I've had two people walk up to me at events and say, "It's a shame to do this to that car". My response is, "It would be a shame not too". Cars are meant to be driven and enjoyed.
Most important thing is SEAT TIME SEAT TIME SEAT TIME

Why not just build an rcr slc and have a far better platform for all that in the first place? I mean the g-machines being built are awesome but if you want to go really stupid fast everywhere, start with the best platform you can.

http://www.mad4wheels.com/webpics/hires/00002619%20-%202008%20Race%20Car%20Replicas%20Superlite%20coup é%20SL-C%20Spec/2008_Race_Car_Replicas_Superlite_coupé_SL-C_Spec_005_7170.jpg

That's great but where's the challenge? I can buy a new ZR1 and go fast. This deal is about talking the coolest cars in American history and turning them into capable modern cars.

Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D

Hard to believe a boy from Pierre, SD could grow up to be such a dreamer. I'll be ready. :cool:

6D9

04-16-2012, 10:10 PM

I agree drive them and drive them hard. I have taken mine to the dragstrip probably 20 times. Maybe just need to bust my cherry and go slide this car around some corners ...lol.

Flash68

04-16-2012, 10:10 PM

Hard to believe a boy from Pierre, SD could grow up to be such a dreamer. I'll be ready. :cool:

Hell, I might still be in pieces by Sept. :lol:

My Iowegian neighbor.

Vegas69

04-16-2012, 10:17 PM

I agree drive them and drive them hard. I have taken mine to the dragstrip probably 20 times. Maybe just need to bust my cherry and go slide this car around some corners ...lol.

Do it :unibrow:
Hell, I might still be in pieces by Sept. :lol:

My Iowegian neighbor.

Bull ****, get that thing together. I ain't winning by forfeit. :lol:

Tom.A

04-16-2012, 10:17 PM

sik68

04-16-2012, 10:24 PM

Hey Todd, can you expand upon your impressions of the shock change? Where did you feel like they were better? I'm guessing the improvement is along the lines of less snap oversteer coming out of corners, and just more predictable under throttle?

It will be very interesting to see what your feeling is on road courses...I bet the valving is going to let you get on the throttle much earlier than before.

Sieg

04-16-2012, 10:38 PM

I really don't worry about it anymore.
You're in denial. :D

Vegas69

04-16-2012, 10:39 PM

Seems not along ago you were firm on keeping the 19" for looks vs. performance and now you are searching for every 1/10 of a second:thumbsup: Why not gut your car or put it on a diet? I think you would be $$$ ahead imo. Building a new race ispired car could take a long time even if funded by the sale of Payback.

**Another key thing is you are engaged which means rugrats come next and extra hours in garage will be replaced by diaper duty :D

I knew I should've kept my mouth shut. :lol: I don't want to go down that road with this car. It's just to complete and nice. Another car would be a more budget minded all business car. I hated my 19's like 3 years ago so you must have your head under a rock somewhere. :lol: :cheers:

Hey Todd, can you expand upon your impressions of the shock change? Where did you feel like they were better? I'm guessing the improvement is along the lines of less snap oversteer coming out of corners, and just more predictable under throttle?

It will be very interesting to see what your feeling is on road courses...I bet the valving is going to let you get on the throttle much earlier than before.

Steven, I'd describe it as more in control. I noticed the difference on the street almost immediately. I'm glad you asked because now that I reflect on the feel difference, the old shocks were to bouncy when they had what I now know is enough rebound. The lateral grip has definitely increased. It would get loose but well in control and savable. With the old shocks, it would break loose and it was hard to recover.

Now, that course certainly wasn't the ultimate test but I have little doubt that it will improve the car at higher speeds. I agree that I can get on the throttle a litte sooner and it may have a little more forward bite. I didn't feel like I was just mowing off tire tread down the short straights. I wasn't exactly stomping on the loud pedal and I'm not sure I was getting to full throttle but definitely well into the four barrel. I really can't say it gets out of the hole better just yet. I do expect better 60 foot times at the drag strip but that's a whole different deal.

I'm running at least one SCCA event in May on large lots. I'll report back. So far, well worth the $600.

Sieg

04-16-2012, 10:44 PM

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?p=396123#post396123
:question: :question:

Matt@BOS

04-16-2012, 11:00 PM

Glad you were along for the ride on my best lap. The engine braking in my car will make the front end bite pretty hard just easing off the throttle a hair mid corner. Not sure if that's what you are talking about.

Maybe? It might have been the result of taking your foot off the brake all of a sudden, causing the front of the car to become unsettled for a second before engine braking brought it down again?? That doesn't sound right to me though.. Not Sure if the engine braking would throw the nose back down that hard. It basically looked like you were tapping the pedal a couple of times making it look wallow-ey. The front end would go down-up-down in corners.

Not that you're superstitious, or in need of luck, but I'd be happy to ride shotgun at Buttonwillow, you know, "just in case."

Matt

Vegas69

04-16-2012, 11:08 PM

I think it's me setting the front end with throttle input.

Bring a spare set of drawers. :lol: :unibrow:

GregWeld

04-17-2012, 06:07 AM

Todd will not own this car past 2012. Mark my words.

It'll be getting made ready for sale right about mid to late Sept after a certain disappointing weekend..... :D

It could be hard to sell if it's wrecked while trying to catch a glimpse of an old yeller Mustang taillight....

Vegas69

04-17-2012, 07:15 AM

You guys are going to be really embarassed when I beat you in your RACE cars. :P

tones2SS

04-17-2012, 05:52 PM

That's great but where's the challenge? I can buy a new ZR1 and go fast. This deal is about talking the coolest cars in American history and turning them into capable modern cars.

Amen brother. That says it all right there.:thumbsup:

Track Junky

04-17-2012, 07:59 PM

You guys are going to be really embarassed when I beat you in your RACE cars. :P

Contrair there buddy. Your the one with the big horsepower and the fancy suspension. :D
I'll have to admit, you did pretty damn good last year at Buttonwillow. I was pretty stoked to see those lap times from you. It's always good to have someone run faster than you because it reminds you that you still have work to do and builds the intensity level.
I wasn't ready for you guy's last year but I dont think you'll see any excuses coming from me this year. Prepare for some healthy competition my friend. :cheers:

GregWeld

04-17-2012, 08:14 PM

.......... well...... somebody has to be last.......

:woot:

Vegas69

04-17-2012, 09:10 PM

Contrair there buddy. Your the one with the big horsepower and the fancy suspension. :D
I'll have to admit, you did pretty damn good last year at Buttonwillow. I was pretty stoked to see those lap times from you. It's always good to have someone run faster than you because it reminds you that you still have work to do and builds the intensity level.
I wasn't ready for you guy's last year but I dont think you'll see any excuses coming from me this year. Prepare for some healthy competition my friend. :cheers:

I really like the place. I hope to shave off a little time myself this year. :cheers:

DFRESH

04-17-2012, 09:23 PM

.......... well...... somebody has to be last.......

:woot:

I'll volunteer for that---under commit---it's a lost art in this hobby/business. :lol:

Dub a D

intocarss

04-28-2012, 07:31 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/9ir3p3-1.gif

Vegas69

04-28-2012, 10:09 PM

How about some real tech instead of Better Homes & Gardens. :unibrow: :cheers:

That little guy on my shoulder has been telling me that I need to check some vitals. I'm figuring 3500-4000 street miles and around 24 events on this engine with just regular maintenence. I run a mild solid roller in my mill but they are known for eating lifters regardless. The valves are heavy and I turn mine to nearly 7k damn near everytime I drive it. High rpm is the norm at events.

You can wait for catastrophic failure or you can put your time into preventitive maintenence. I'll tell all you newbies and oldies. These cars aren't low mainence regardless if you actually use them. I picked up a valve spring tester from LSM(A great American company). The tester allows me to check the springs by removing the girdle. I'm looking at seat pressure. My engine is spec'd to have 260 lbs on the seat and 640 on the nose. It's normal to see the springs lose 25-30 lbs initially. Well, after the formentioned, I have a couple exhaust valves that are living on 180lbs! No Bueno. The intakes are all in great shape. Clearly, the heat from the exhaust has diminished most of the exhaust valve springs.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0056.jpg
Here's where I think a lot of big block guys go wrong. If the valve springs are ready for replacement, what about the lifters? I have a set of Isky Red Zone lifters in this engine. I'm going to take the horse by the reigns and send them in and have them rebushed with a set of their easy rolls with NO needle bearings. Common sense tells me that if the valve springs are toast, it's time for lifters.

Once I found that I had low spring pressure on a couple valves, I wanted to check the vitals. I ran a COLD compression check. While it should be done with a hot engine, I feel a mechanically sound bottom end should check out cold. It did, with less than 5% variance from cylinder to cylinder. My lowest cylinder got a little wet with gas from bumping the engine to check valve spring pressures. The rings look to be sound.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0062.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/DSC_0067.jpg

So, I'll have Jason Pettis order a set of new springs and he recommends checking every spring at installed height to make sure there are no manufacturing flaws or wrongly packaged springs. Not surprised with my boy. Check EVERYTHING. I'll send my current lifters out to Isky and have them rebushed. Then, I'll be ready to have all kinds of fun with a clean conscious. :D

Track Junky

04-28-2012, 11:00 PM

Good call. Looks like you stretched it out a little longer than you should have. I'm at about 6 road course events and not even close to full days at half of those with very few street miles. NYES told me to check valve springs and lifters after 1 season and bring the motor in after 2 seasons for freshening. 2 seasons would be about 16 events so hopefully I'm good but now you got me thinking.
Thanks for shedding a light.

Vegas69

04-28-2012, 11:13 PM

I'll ship you my LSM valve spring tester. I really think between it and a compression check, it's a good litmus test.

Track Junky

04-28-2012, 11:24 PM

Cool, thanks. Can you bring it to Buttonwillow? Planning on 2 or 3 events before Buttonwillow. Including Buttonwillow that should put me at an honest full seasons worth of runs.

Vegas69

04-28-2012, 11:34 PM

Yes sir, I'lll bring it with me.

Track Junky

04-28-2012, 11:41 PM

Thanks bro. I was just checking my spec sheet.......220 seat pressure, 580 open.

Flash68

04-29-2012, 01:24 AM

Leave it to the Pettis Apprentice to get deep into some preventative maintenance. Nice segue from our sh!t talking as of late.

Timely for me, I just finished reading a Circle Track Engine Building book tonight and one of the points I took from it was investing in even a cheap valve spring tester (recommended a $75 Moroso) and they said while it may not be dead nuts accurate, that's fine because it will be consistent and show variances that are the key to preventing a problem like you talk about. I see that LSM piece is quite a bit more than $75.

2 questions... and I don't remember how big your cam lift is, but you do rev reasonably high often.... have you considered shaft rockers?

And whose fuel log is that? I am looking for one....

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 08:24 AM

It seems to be really accurate. At 260 seat originally and a normal initial loss of 25-30 all the intakes are in the 230-235 range which adds up. The real key is to calibrate it on a fresh engine. I considered the Moroso unit but I don't think they will clear the tall poly locks with a stud girdle. Maybe they make one but I didn't look to hard.

I absolutely considered shaft rockers. At the time I couldn't stomach another $1200. :lol: I haven't found the girdle to be a headache adjusting valves. It fits really well and doesn't change the valve adjustment. On the flip side, I haven't been that thrilled with the consistency of the valve adjustment. Shaft rockers are definitely the way to go. When it's time to freshen her up, different heads may be part of the equation so I don't really want to make that investment right now. I'm at .660 lift. Tiny little big block cam.

http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS-Performance-Products/JEGS-Adjustable-Billet-Fuel-Logs/759829/10002/-1

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 09:07 AM

What duration at .050 are you running? Whats lobe center and installed center?

Roadbuster

04-29-2012, 09:55 AM

.......... well...... somebody has to be last.......

:woot:
I'll volunteer for that---under commit---it's a lost art in this hobby/business. :lol:

Dub a D

Hey! That is my spot! :lol:

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:36 AM

What duration at .050 are you running? Whats lobe center and installed center?

Top secret.

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 11:37 AM

LOL. yeah right....like your the only guy that has built a big block with power in a specific range. :lol:

Although, I dont think I'd give up my specs either. :)

FETorino

04-29-2012, 03:32 PM

LOL. yeah right....like your the only guy that has built a big block with power in a specific range. :lol:

Although, I dont think I'd give up my specs either. :)

You ain't playin...:D

The only thing I'd say is that cam is a little knarly for low rpm cruising in overdrive. I run a 252/260 @ .050. 110 LSA Good low end torque but it pulls to 6800 no problemo. Peak power at 6200.

It's no secret he already gave up the secret. :D He figured if he said it in the middle of a Ford thread nobody would pay attention. :rolleyes:

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 03:56 PM

It's no secret he already gave up the secret. :D He figured if he said it in the middle of a Ford thread nobody would pay attention. :rolleyes:

LOL, thanks buddy. :thumbsup:

Flash68

04-29-2012, 08:38 PM

It's no secret he already gave up the secret. :D He figured if he said it in the middle of a Ford thread nobody would pay attention. :rolleyes:

I think it was only a secret because Gaetano asked about it. :lol:

coolwelder62

04-29-2012, 08:48 PM

I think it was only a secret because Gaetano asked about it. :lol:Or,Todd didn't have the cam card handy.:willy:

Flash68

04-29-2012, 08:49 PM

Or,Todd didn't have the cam card handy.:willy:

Knowing Todd it's likely pinned to this shop wall. Or in his wallet.

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 08:50 PM

Or,Todd didn't have the cam card handy.:willy:

Thats what I was thinking

coolwelder62

04-29-2012, 08:54 PM

Knowing Todd it's likely pinned to this shop wall. Or in his wallet.Hasn't Todd changed the cam 2-3 time's.:D

Flash68

04-29-2012, 08:57 PM

Hasn't Todd changed the cam 2-3 time's.:D

Prolly. But doubtful he'll admit it. He isn't as "full disclosure" as people think. :D

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 09:51 PM

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 09:55 PM

Glad you caught it before it was to late.

I'll give you three guess's at my duration @ .050

sixnina

04-29-2012, 09:57 PM

****, I have no secrets. There has never been a reason to change the cam. Pettis nailed it.:unibrow:

I did pull the top end apart, pull the intake, and inspect all the lifters tonight. I was about to lose the lifter on number 6 exhaust. The roller is sloppy but all the needles are in tact. Magically, it was one of the two lowest spring pressures. I dodged a bullet. :wow:

Todd that's awesome that you caught it.Is there routine maintenance schedule that you follow on checking major parts or just something you do after giving her a hard beating( the car that is). Shane

intocarss

04-29-2012, 10:10 PM

I'll give you three guess's at my duration @ 50 Ok I'll bite. But first..Do you use Viagra??

TODD, good thing you caught that lifter, they eat up the insides if they let go, been there done that.. Also I believe that not just the roller bearing takes a beating on a R lifter but the whole body itself. I never trusted rebuilt lifters, but that's just me and my eng builders opinion.

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:11 PM

Glad you caught it before it was to late.

I'll give you three guess's at my duration @ .050

Way to much. :unibrow: :lol:

Todd that's awesome that you caught it.Is there routine maintenance schedule that you follow on checking major parts or just something you do after giving her a hard beating( the car that is). Shane

That's a tough question. I really think you have to find your own maintenence schedule based on your own abuse and use. Jason and I had discussed me doing all these things this Fall and he thought it was fine. I really don't think he realizes the extent I'm using the car. I got lucky, it was to long on a solid roller in a big block chevy. That being said, some guys could go a decade until they get to this point.

I can tell you this, if I keep up the schedule I've been runing for the last 3 years, it will get valve springs every year. I'm sure there on some LS guys chuckling right now. I've seen a fair share of them scattering all over the pavement over the last couple years. Anytime you get away from stock specs, you lose stock reliability. This is a lesson for everybody that is abusing their equipment.

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 10:13 PM

F-me. Anybody else want to hop on before the train leaves the station. :rolleyes:

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:14 PM

Ok I'll bite. But first..Do you use Viagra??

TODD, good thing you caught that lifter, they eat up the insides if they let go, been there done that.. Also I believe that not just the roller bearing takes a beating on a R lifter but the whole body itself. I never trusted rebuilt lifters, but that's just me and my eng builders opinion.

Thanks Jerry. I'll talk to Jason about that. That was already swimming around in my head.

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:15 PM

F-me. Anybody else want to hop on before the train leaves the station. :rolleyes:

Not happenin....:unibrow:

intocarss

04-29-2012, 10:25 PM

Thanks Jerry. I'll talk to Jason about that. That was already swimming around in my head. Also ask Jason if he believes that.. very low RPM or idling kills SOLID roller lifters faster, They tend to bounce and that does more damage then high RPMS. And for what it's worth I ran Crower SS rockers and stud gurdles seeing RPM's as high as 8500 over and over and never had an issue and my valve adj stayed very true also

FETorino

04-29-2012, 10:26 PM

Thanks Jerry. I'll talk to Jason about that. That was already swimming around in my head.

Solid rollers were meant for racing where you tear things down and check them periodically. You did the right thing. :thumbsup:

My builder said 10k mi max then throw them away and buy a NEW set.

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:31 PM

I've done a ton of idling and I'd heard the same thing. I always kept the idle above 1000 rpm as I'd heard it helped. After all, this is a street car. :unibrow:

I think I'll just buy a new set and sell off the old ones at a steep discount and let somebody else rebuild them. I like to error on the safe side of the fence.

Gaetano, I'll take the bait. How about 268/272?

FETorino

04-29-2012, 10:35 PM

F-me. Anybody else want to hop on before the train leaves the station. :rolleyes:

262/264 :D

intocarss

04-29-2012, 10:37 PM

Good call!! Spending $400-800 on a new set of lifters now is better then spending $2000-3500 on a complete tear down and rebuild Not to mention "down time"

Flash68

04-29-2012, 10:38 PM

Wow dude glad you found that. :thumbsup:

262/264 :D

G - what rpm is the hp peak at? Without knowing that I'll guess 270/276.

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:38 PM

:rofl: A set of Isky EZ Rolls goes for $1000-$1200.

intocarss

04-29-2012, 10:42 PM

:rofl: A set of Isky EZ Rolls goes for $1000-$1200.

Sorry, I ran Crower and we are a dealer for them so i went off that pricing.

OH and don't lie if your car was a "street car" you'd be running Hyd roller lifters ;) :unibrow:

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 10:45 PM

Wow dude glad you found that. :thumbsup:

G - what rpm is the hp peak at? Without knowing that I'll guess 270/276.

6400.....272/272

:rofl: A set of Isky EZ Rolls goes for $1000-$1200.

Drop in the bucket :lol:

FETorino

04-29-2012, 10:47 PM

Why not Crower? I know several solid roller street cars running them. :thumbsup:

Price is better maybe 900-1000

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 10:52 PM

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 10:57 PM

I like the new Isky EZ Roll design as it eliminates the needle bearings. I had lashed the valves before RTTC and the roller went that fast. If you don't catch it, needle bearings will destroy an engine. They have three stages based on spring pressure. I'll likely opt for one step above what they spec regardless.

intocarss

04-29-2012, 11:03 PM

Another trick I have heard of but never done myself, is groove the lifter or the lifter bore so you get more pressurized oil onto the roller wheel. And yes it's better to have a little more spring pressure with solid rollers

CarlC

04-29-2012, 11:07 PM

Valve springs? What are those? It's been so long since I've had to tear into an engine I just can't remember. :P

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 11:07 PM

Doesn't Morell make the Isky EZ and all other high endurance lifters?

I'm running the PBM RL 955's but I've heard Morell makes those also.

intocarss

04-29-2012, 11:11 PM

Doesn't Morell make the Isky EZ and all other high endurance lifters?

I'm running the PBM RL 955's but I've heard Morell makes those also.

You'd be surprized on how just one or two Co's make all the lifters and springs for the other Co's ;)

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 11:13 PM

Valve springs? What are those? It's been so long since I've had to tear into an engine I just can't remember. :P

You better knock on some wood. :unibrow:

Track Junky

04-29-2012, 11:24 PM

Just checked yellowbullet and there are guys that have run the PBM's for 3 seasons with no issues. $300 bones

Vegas69

04-29-2012, 11:30 PM

Big Blocks and Small Blocks are a different ball game.

Flash68

04-29-2012, 11:47 PM

You and Pettis talk about oversized lifters?

Vegas69

04-30-2012, 12:15 AM

I honestly don't remember but I know it's something he does on a regular basis. By big block solid roller standards, it's really a baby so I don't think it was a real consideration. Solid roller lifters are a wear item in all engines, especially big block chevys. I knew this since day one and that's why I've kept a fairly close eye on them. The valve spring pressure is likely what led to the failure. That or it's one hell of a conincidence. I've read a bunch of threads on solid roller failures and I don't recall valve spring pressure coming up but I feel it's likely the real issue. One thing to remember is a solid roller has lash while a hydraulic roller rides on the lobe at all times.

Swapping springs and replacing/rebuilding lifters are going to be part of the maintenence and I knew it, just didn't know the interval. It almost bit me.

Track Junky

04-30-2012, 12:34 AM

I dont like the idea of gauging by miles driven. One of these days I'd like to install an hour gauge. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you either since you do alot of street driving. Just the fact that roller lifters dont like idling would be a pretty good deciding factor.
The guys at NYES told me one season for springs and lifters, 2 for rings and bearings and I told them exactly what I would be doing with the car. Yeah, I had a shaky start with those guys but I do believe they know what there doing and talking about now.

Sieg

04-30-2012, 06:16 AM

I dont like the idea of gauging by miles driven. One of these days I'd like to install an hour gauge.
I run these on my bikes, they should work on a car?
http://trailtech.net/tto_hourmeter.html

Track Junky

04-30-2012, 11:39 AM

Thanks Sieg. Nice and compact....could easily tuck away in engine compartment.

intocarss

05-13-2012, 10:02 PM

Any up dates? What did you decide to do?

Vegas69

05-13-2012, 10:24 PM

The lifter bodies were in such nice condition and Jason wasn't concerned with me having them rebuilt. I had them rebuilt with the EZX option. They claim they will handle up to 1100 open pressure and will outlast the redzones by 50% life. Since I'm only running 640 lbs of open pressure, they should last a long time and they are needle less. They are on the way back to me. Jason recommended checking every valve spring at installed height and he did and they are here, I just need to buy a valve spring tool and get my ass to work. :unibrow:

Looks like I'll miss both SCCA autocrosses this month so I'm not in a big hurry. I'll have her all buttoned up in a few weeks.

intocarss

05-13-2012, 10:39 PM

Cool deal, Did you get new springs or are you going to use VSI shims and bring back the correct pressure with the used springs? :thumbsup:

Vegas69

05-13-2012, 10:48 PM

Oh hell no, brand new springs.

intocarss

05-13-2012, 11:11 PM

Oh hell no, brand new springs.:thumbsup:

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 06:46 PM

Who says 1st gear peanut autocrosses can't be fun.
http://www.superchevy.com/multimedia/videos-01/2011-super-chevy-vegas-autocross-1969-camaro/10752/#ooid=VxMGFnMjr2lyNYOTA_0vOssNS16pZQmr

WicKeD_SS

05-23-2012, 07:27 PM

Sweet Run! congrats :thumbsup:

skatinjay27

05-23-2012, 07:52 PM

Flash68

05-23-2012, 08:27 PM

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 08:49 PM

I couldn't find a snoaring smiley so..............:P :lol:

Sieg

05-23-2012, 09:07 PM

I couldn't find a snoaring smiley so..............:P :lol:

http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums/images/smilies/sleep.gif

http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums/images/smilies/indifferent21.gif

Always willing to lend a helping hand. :unibrow:

DFRESH

05-23-2012, 09:11 PM

Who says 1st gear peanut autocrosses can't be fun.
http://www.superchevy.com/multimedia/videos-01/2011-super-chevy-vegas-autocross-1969-camaro/10752/#ooid=VxMGFnMjr2lyNYOTA_0vOssNS16pZQmr

The fat lady has sung her last song. Never thought I would ever hear you make that statement.

First Dave Gordon = hater of Peanut Auto X. Now Dave Gordon = I :thumbsup: them.

Todd Akes and Peanut Auto X's now = :woot:

You have to sell the car now--there's nothing left.

Bucketlist2012

05-23-2012, 09:16 PM

I don't care if it is a peanut or a grapefruit, or a damn watermelon,

I just cannot wait to beat my car at an autocross soon..

I won't make the Pleasanton one in June because I am going to Yosemite(bucket List), but August I will be there, and hopefully something bigger sometime this year.

I have too many new parts and tires I have to wear out..

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 09:39 PM

what the hell! that was soo last year!:lol:

If my crew chief would get off his lazy ass and put my engine back together I wouldn't have to relive old victories. :unibrow:

Umm...you used to say it everytime someone posted a goodguys autoX video. :D

I'm a prick, you should know that by now.

I couldn't find a snoaring smiley so..............:P :lol:

At least I have some video. For all I know, you are just fabricating stories. I find it hard to believe you ran exactly the time you predicted. :lol:

The fat lady has sung her last song. Never thought I would ever hear you make that statement.

First Dave Gordon = hater of Peanut Auto X. Now Dave Gordon = I :thumbsup: them.

Todd Akes and Peanut Auto X's now = :woot:

You have to sell the car now--there's nothing left.

The bitch is singing loud and clear.

Bucketlist2012

05-23-2012, 09:45 PM

I don't do fat chicks, so there will be no singing here..

And since I won't be winning IF I ever get my sorry arse to one of these events, there will be no fat chicks singing for me anyways...

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 10:01 PM

This one is from the inaugaral RTTC in 2010. It's the longest speed stop course I've ran. Later in the day I was able to run the fastest time of anybody at the event.(Including the DSE Cars, Finch, etc) Todd was gratious enough to run to town for some aligator clips and wire so the guys without cigarette ligthers could be timed. I say 110 in the video but it ended up being like 107 or 108. It put me well into the 13's in 0-100-0 which is where you find a majority of the super cars.

It's a pretty interesting video as you see Frank, Todd, and Cris before we all knew him so well.
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Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:02 PM

The fat lady has sung her last song. Never thought I would ever hear you make that statement.

First Dave Gordon = hater of Peanut Auto X. Now Dave Gordon = I :thumbsup: them.

Todd Akes and Peanut Auto X's now = :woot:

You have to sell the car now--there's nothing left.

You caught me. And I'm sorry but my starter tinker toy kit had to have more than 180 horsepower so I had options. You? Not so much.

Now if we can just get Gaetano to run the peanut in his car, the world will surely end.

COYBILT

05-23-2012, 10:02 PM

I don't do fat chicks, so there will be no singing here..

And since I won't be winning IF I ever get my sorry arse to one of these events, there will be no fat chicks singing for me anyways...

LMAO, I just caught the last of this. Pretty damn funny if you ask me.

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:03 PM

Name Best time
James Devenport (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=1)1:44.685
Joseph Colicchio (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=2)1:57.659
Robin Riner (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=3)1:58.104
Michael Lentini (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=4)1:58.609
Marty Brill (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=6)2:00.514
Emilio Cervantes (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=7)2:01.359
Michael DiGiacomo (I) (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=8)2:02.385
Kevin Pankhurst (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=9)2:03.151
Bob Accardo Jr. (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=10)2:03.215
David Martel (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=11)2:03.388
Doug Makishima (I) (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=12)2:03.399
Bob Blackwood (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=13)2:03.740.
Team Evans Racing (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=14)2:04.559
Jon Burgis (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=15)2:04.658
Gaetano Cosentino (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=16)2:04.935
William Chen (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=17)2:06.429
John Marsey (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=18)2:06.531
David Taylor (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=19)2:07.040
Kurt Frietzsche (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=20)2:08.043
James Markarian (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=21)2:08.258
Jarrett Tamaye (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=22)2:08.310
PJ Kiely (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=23)2:08.428
Russ Sears (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=24)2:08.540
David Anderson (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=25)2:08.545
David Bongiovanni (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=26)2:10.027
Michael Tildahl (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=27)2:10.174
Declan Gibbons (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=28)2:10.481
Tim Konkol (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=29)2:10.517
http://www.mylaps.com/images/mylapsbanner.gif (http://www.mylaps.com/)

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:07 PM

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:09 PM

At least I have some video. For all I know, you are just fabricating stories. I find it hard to believe you ran exactly the time you predicted.

Fabricating stories......:lol: .......Thats funny

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 10:14 PM

Fabricating stories......:lol: .......Thats funny

Lighten up there.....
IMtvnAmfuf8

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:14 PM

All Todd is gonna get out of that is that you're 20 seconds slower than some other guy on a 2 minute track. :rofl:

That would be funny if everyone was driving a first gen Camaro but he was actually driving an indy style type car and was running in TTU. I was running in TTA and if you go into the NASA web site you will see that I got first place in my class. Put that in your pipe and smoke it :rofl:

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:17 PM

Lighten up there.....
IMtvnAmfuf8

:lol: :cheers: You know its all good

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:17 PM

That would be funny if everyone was driving a first gen Camaro but he was actually driving an indy style type car and was running in TTU. I was running in TTA and if you go into the NASA web site you will see that I got first place in my class. Put that in your pipe and smoke it :rofl:

You're so easy to get all worked up dude! :lol: :willy:

You know we love you. Even Todd does. Just a little. :D

intocarss

05-23-2012, 10:19 PM

Name Best time
Dave Gordon (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=1)1:04.685
Joseph Colicchio (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=2)1:57.659
Robin Riner (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=3)1:58.104
Michael Lentini (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=4)1:58.609
Marty Brill (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=6)2:00.514
Emilio Cervantes (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=7)2:01.359
Michael DiGiacomo (I) (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=8)2:02.385
Kevin Pankhurst (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=9)2:03.151
Bob Accardo Jr. (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=10)2:03.215
David Martel (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=11)2:03.388
Doug Makishima (I) (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=12)2:03.399
Bob Blackwood (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=13)2:03.740.
Team Evans Racing (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=14)2:04.559
Jon Burgis (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=15)2:04.658
Gaetano Cosentino (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=16)2:04.935
William Chen (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=17)2:06.429
John Marsey (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=18)2:06.531
David Taylor (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=19)2:07.040
Kurt Frietzsche (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=20)2:08.043
James Markarian (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=21)2:08.258
Jarrett Tamaye (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=22)2:08.310
PJ Kiely (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=23)2:08.428
Russ Sears (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=24)2:08.540
David Anderson (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=25)2:08.545
David Bongiovanni (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=26)2:10.027
Michael Tildahl (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=27)2:10.174
Declan Gibbons (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=28)2:10.481
Tim Konkol (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=0&pos=29)2:10.517
http://www.mylaps.com/images/mylapsbanner.gif (http://www.mylaps.com/)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:20 PM

You're so easy to get all worked up dude! :lol: :willy:

You know we love you. Even Todd does. Just a little. :D

C'mon, you guys have to know by now I've got alligator skin :lol: :cheers:

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:22 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Smooth move Jer :rofl: :rofl:

FETorino

05-23-2012, 10:22 PM

That would be funny if everyone was driving a first gen Camaro but he was actually driving an indy style type car and was running in TTU. I was running in TTA and if you go into the NASA web site you will see that I got first place in my class. Put that in your pipe and smoke it :rofl:

You forgot to play the leaf spring card.:unibrow:

Have you tore into that motor yet? How's it look :rolleyes:

intocarss

05-23-2012, 10:23 PM

LSTTFMF's

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:24 PM

You forgot to play the leaf spring card.:unibrow:

I sparing my ammo :lol:

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:28 PM

I sparing my ammo :lol:

I'm losing ammo by the month. :rolleyes:

Sieg

05-23-2012, 10:35 PM

At this rate Todd's post count will be 3K in short order. :D

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:37 PM

Class TTA

393217369 Gaetano Cosentino (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=1&pos=16) 2:04.9353 86.4450
339321813 John Marsey (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=1&pos=18) 2:06.5314 85.3551
39321962 David Anderson (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=1&pos=25) 2:08.5458 84.0173
39322087 Tim Konkol (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=1&pos=29) 2:10.5173 82.7485
393221111 Eric Van Zandt (http://www.mylaps.com/results/showlaps.jsp?id=2279353&perclass=1&pos=33) 2:12.7632 81.3487

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 10:43 PM

I click on the link that says Payback but..... Hey post whore, I mean Mr. Moderator Gordon. Move Francis' crap into his own thread. :D

GregWeld

05-23-2012, 10:44 PM

Watching a 25 second run just confirms why I like road courses....

Glad you won first place though!

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:45 PM

I click on the link that says Payback but..... Hey post whore, I mean Mr. Moderator Gordon. Move Francis' crap into his own thread. :D

.....says the guy with 2000 more posts than me :willy:

Move his crap yourself. :lol:

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:45 PM

I click on the link that says Payback but..... Hey post whore, I mean Mr. Moderator Gordon. Move Francis' crap into his own thread. :D

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 10:47 PM

.....says the guy with 2000 more posts than me :willy:

Move his crap yourself. :lol:

That's because I actually built a car instead of talking about it. Chop, Chop :lol:

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:48 PM

That's because I actually built a car instead of talking about it. Chop, Chop :lol:

And where'd that get ya? Besides my rear view mirror. :thumbsup:

Try again Francis. :lol:

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:50 PM

That's because I actually built a car instead of talking about it. Chop, Chop :lol:

Its going to be fun growing old with you assholes :lol:

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:51 PM

Hey Todd -- Mr Semi Professional Car Builder and Amateur Tattoo Artist -- I have a winning proposition for you.

You build a car and I'll drive it. :cheers: :rofl:

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:52 PM

Its going to be fun growing old with you assholes :lol:

:thumbsup: :D

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 10:55 PM

And where'd that get ya? Besides my rear view mirror. :thumbsup:

Try again Francis. :lol:

Cough, Cough
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/P3091216.jpg

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:58 PM

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 10:58 PM

Cough, Cough
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/P3091216.jpg

Hey Todd......wait for meeeeeeeeeeeee........:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Flash68

05-23-2012, 10:59 PM

Hey Todd......wait for meeeeeeeeeeeee........:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Well after seeing him on anything with turns, it's obvious he intended to build a drag car. :thumbsup:

FETorino

05-23-2012, 10:59 PM

Cough, Cough
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/P3091216.jpg

Who's driving the blue Mustang with the shelby stripes ? :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl:

Track Junky

05-23-2012, 11:02 PM

Well after seeing him on anything with turns, it's obvious he intended to build a drag car. :thumbsup:

You have know idea how hard I am laughing right now......

These last pages gets the Golden Globe Award for the best smack talk ever

Vegas69

05-23-2012, 11:09 PM

Nice, should have known. A 40 yard dash. I will give you that one. :lol:

Is this where I should now post a Gaetano-esque list of autoX results of my car with my amateur ass driving and street tires against your professionally built car with a professional driver and race tires?

How ya like them apples?

Thanks for the compliments. :cheers: You are a very good autocrosser but I think it's very close between us now. I coned away a run .5 seconds faster than you at RTTC this year. How big of an advantage are the tires, it's debatable. I'd give you a slight edge and it's due to your weight and being able to run in 1st gear. I've got new shocks now out back which has fixed my loose condition at max effort autocrossing.

Hey Todd......wait for meeeeeeeeeeeee........:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:thumbsup:

Well after seeing him on anything with turns, it's obvious he intended to build a drag car. :thumbsup:

As soon as you take me down on the road course you can talk that noise.:unibrow:

Flash68

05-23-2012, 11:11 PM

After 5 years did I just get a compliment from you? :lol:

I am speechless. I am gonna take my ball and go home. I don't know what to do now! :willy:

skatinjay27

05-24-2012, 12:35 AM

After 5 years did I just get a compliment from you? :lol:

I am speechless. I am gonna take my ball and go home. I don't know what to do now! :willy:

I got an idea! Use your mod power an clean up the last 3 page of peanut gallery Talk!:P

This thread is for tech advice:lol:

Flash68

05-24-2012, 12:55 AM

I got an idea! Use your mod power an clean up the last 3 page of peanut gallery Talk!:P

says the overprotective crew chief :D

Bucketlist2012

05-24-2012, 02:50 AM

Damn....

We have Francis wearing alligator skin, what is that some kind of Runway fire suit by Victoria secrets ?:wow:

And we have the blue and white Mustang...err Camaro..:lol:

Then we have Todd looking like a Greased Grape being shot out of someone's hand, being chased by Smokey the Camaro, in some straight line test..:thumbsup:

No wonder Todd's valve springs are weaker than a old man's knee's.. That car is wicked fast..:thumbsup: Ina straight Line..:rofl:

Then smokey the Shelby, I don't think that was tire smoke, Blowing his motor..:lol:

And then your talking about old assholes, ugh...Or growing old assholes.:willy:

Damn, I leave here for a few hours and you posting whores are smacking each other so hard that your faces and ass cheeks must be beet red...

And what's wrong with leaf springs ? ...What , is this some hoety toety website, where you gotta have some special rear ass to run the curves ?:wow:

Geez...If I didn't know you guys any better....oh, wait, I don't even know you guys at all....I think I want to , but now I am not sure...

You guys are cackling like hens that are laying eggs...

I can see that although I just threw money/Dead Presidents ,at my car like confetti, I am still under powered, and need racing seats..At Least. Maybe ANY experience would help..other than street driving..:willy:

I can talk about how I have a number's matching LT-1, but that is only good for coffee table talk, because I truly need more power, and I think that going the LS route for Gas mileage and power is NOT the way to go..

I think a professional built small block, or redoing my LT-1 to the tolerances of a shrapnel grenade is in order...Because this Todd guy runs some wicked fast times...0 to 100 to 0 in 13 ? Something is wrong with my car and I won't be able to race you today....So much for 40 year old motors trying to race guys with racing engine's, Fat blocks,err, big blocks or not...:wow:

Then we have a token post from Monaco Greg, to add some seasoning.

I am looking forward to smacking you guys in person someday... I will be the handsome guy in last place getting all the Hot chicks...I am a lover, not a fighter...And apparently not a racer either.:rofl:

But I need to throw more confetti/money at my Car, not for winning, but to try to win..I got enough power to win at the peanut butter tracks, but other than that, I will get smoked. And no, I ain't putting nothing in my pipe and smoking it..I gave up the wacky tobacky, 20 years ago.:unibrow:

My Excuse is that my Wife is looking at this mansion to move to, SEE Avatar, and all my extra cash will be gone...So I will run my Lap Car/Pace car, the way it is. You are lucky my wife has plans for my Money...:rolleyes:

Damn, I have insomnia from my medication, but this thread has me wanting to get better soon to smack you guys for real...:thumbsup: :cheers:

Bucketlist2012

05-24-2012, 08:27 AM

Hopefully I didn't hurt any feelings...:willy:

But you said you wear alligator skin, even though it is not in season, and from your posts, I did not know you guys had any feelings..:rofl:

I am new at this smack talk, so bear with me...

And I am sure there will be "payback" for my posts.

Flash68

06-04-2012, 03:09 PM

This thread is so stale. :lol:

Gandalf

06-04-2012, 03:14 PM

This thread is so stale. :lol:

Happens with out-dated technology :rofl:

Vegas69

06-04-2012, 03:30 PM

I was hoping a select few of you would forget about my thread. :lol:

Flash68

06-04-2012, 03:30 PM

I was hoping a select few of you would forget about my thread. :lol:

:rofl: haha my bad dude! :thumbsup:

Sieg

06-04-2012, 07:43 PM

I was hoping a select few of you would forget about my thread. :lol:That would be like forgetting Obama got elected.........I want to, but I can't. :(

tones2SS

06-05-2012, 05:22 PM

That would be like forgetting Obama got elected.........I want to, but I can't. :(

:D :thumbsup:

Vegas69

06-18-2012, 09:00 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/004-3.jpg

Flash68

06-18-2012, 09:09 PM

I didn't know Fikse was still in business. :lol:

Track Junky

06-18-2012, 09:13 PM

Did I miss the update on the lifters and springs? :_paranoid

Anyhow, get those bad boys on the car so we can see how they look. :unibrow:

Ron in SoCal

06-18-2012, 09:18 PM

Nice! Split spoke w brushed/polished always looks good on black. Especially on a show car...:lol:

Did you weigh them?

Vegas69

06-18-2012, 09:18 PM

I'd like to thank Scott Main at Formula 43 for the great service once again. They had these to my door in 33 days with the tires mounted! These things are works of art. I'll have the car fired this weekend and I'll take a couple photos. :unibrow:
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/008-7.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/013-2.jpg

Vegas69

06-18-2012, 09:35 PM

Nice! Split spoke w brushed/polished always looks good on black. Especially on a show car...:lol:

Did you weigh them?

Actually, they are clear anodized only. I didn't but I can compare them to my ZX3R's with a scale since they both have mounted R888's.

Flash68

06-18-2012, 09:53 PM

Mint! :thumbsup:

Spiffav8

06-18-2012, 11:35 PM

Nice! :yes:

sixnina

06-19-2012, 06:21 AM

Todd,
So are these just back ups so you don't have to change tires out for different events ?
Shane

Vegas69

06-19-2012, 08:02 AM

Thanks guys. These will be my new full time wheels.

Bucketlist2012

06-19-2012, 08:14 AM

Thanks guys. These will be my new full time wheels.

Very Nice wheels...:thumbsup:

6D9 Matt

06-19-2012, 09:42 AM

Very nice! Love that model. :thumbsup:

Al Moreno

06-19-2012, 10:01 AM

These things are works of art. [/IMG]

I agree, they are a work of art. I like the new logo, congrats Todd :thumbsup:

Gandalf

06-19-2012, 10:19 AM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/013-2.jpg

Nice choice of wheel Todd :thumbsup: They will look awesome with that black paintjob. Also glad to hear of a vendor who didn't get you caught up in any Fikse shenanigans!

I note the revised design - mostly a few small details in the center. Hopefully the center caps now stay in without RTV lol. Curious, what are those smaller holes for?

Ron - time to sell your wheels bud!<j/k>

G.

Spiffav8

06-19-2012, 12:06 PM

skatinjay27

06-19-2012, 12:14 PM

you crazy mofo!:thumbsup:

Rybar

06-19-2012, 12:15 PM

Todd, they look awesome! Great choice and congrats! :thumbsup:

fleet

06-19-2012, 02:37 PM

Mmm mmm good!:cool:

sik68

06-19-2012, 03:32 PM

Sweet wheels, Todd!

67ragtp

06-19-2012, 04:51 PM

Nice choice Todd :thumbsup: , can you share the front wheel size and offset you went with. Im assuming there 18s, maybe a 19 in the rear?

Rich

Ron in SoCal

06-19-2012, 05:16 PM

Are they on yet??? :D

tones2SS

06-19-2012, 05:17 PM

Nice wheels Todd. What was your reason for switching wheels? Weight or just tired of the old wheels?

Vegas69

06-19-2012, 10:45 PM

Thanks guys...:cheers:
Nice choice of wheel Todd :thumbsup: They will look awesome with that black paintjob. Also glad to hear of a vendor who didn't get you caught up in any Fikse shenanigans!

I note the revised design - mostly a few small details in the center. Hopefully the center caps now stay in without RTV lol. Curious, what are those smaller holes for?

Ron - time to sell your wheels bud!<j/k>

G.

They bore through to an area on the pad that has been milled for lightening. You are supposed to remove your hub caps for road racing anyway. :unibrow:

So what time should I show up? :unibrow:
Come on over, I'll put you to work cleaning up the shop. :lol:

Nice choice Todd :thumbsup: , can you share the front wheel size and offset you went with. Im assuming there 18s, maybe a 19 in the rear?

Rich

Rich, it's an 18x10 with a 6" BS. I'm sticking with the 18's and R888 set up that the car is set up for until this ship sails.

Are they on yet??? :D

Just take a look at Greggs car. :lol:

Nice wheels Todd. What was your reason for switching wheels? Weight or just tired of the old wheels?

When it comes to car parts, I'm like a virgin with a fist full of $20's in a whore house.

Spiffav8

06-19-2012, 11:56 PM

I give you a hand so long as the AC and Beer are cold. :thumbsup:

JohnC

06-20-2012, 06:35 AM

Very nice, Todd.:thumbsup: Get any pics on the car yet?

JKnight

06-20-2012, 10:04 AM

Curious, what are those smaller holes for?

G.

Would those small holes be used for the alignment heads that have the studs? I believe BMW wheels have similar holes to accomodate their alignment heads.

Lenie

06-20-2012, 12:00 PM

295 pages! Holy s-it! Great lookin wheels Todd, can't wait to see them on your car! Smokem' if you got em':captain:

Cole

06-20-2012, 06:38 PM

So what time should I show up? :unibrow:

I second that...

Nice wheels Todd!!!

67zo6Camaro

06-20-2012, 10:33 PM

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/004-3.jpg

Wow, those are nice. :hail:

Didn't know you were looking for new rims. I missed the post and have not gone back to check the reasoning.

Can you fill me in on what prompted the switch.

Flash68

06-20-2012, 10:35 PM

I think they call it excessive consumerism. :unibrow:

67zo6Camaro

06-20-2012, 10:45 PM

Ok, I'll buy that. I want to see them on the car.

Vegas69

06-20-2012, 10:51 PM

Patience my friends, patience. :unibrow:

uk68327

06-21-2012, 02:25 AM

I think they call it excessive consumerism. :unibrow:

:lol: I suffer from that, wonder if there is therapy for it?

FETorino

06-21-2012, 07:42 AM

Wow, those are nice. :hail:

Didn't know you were looking for new rims. I missed the post and have not gone back to check the reasoning.

Can you fill me in on what prompted the switch.

Call him Emelda Marcos, he just can't stop buying shoes.:D

Ok, I'll buy that. I want to see them on the car.

Waiting............

frojoe

06-21-2012, 12:44 PM

Geez those are sexxxxxy

89 RS

06-21-2012, 10:48 PM

Those wheels are freakin' awesome. :thumbsup:
Can't wait to see the new look!

Vegas69

06-26-2012, 10:04 PM

A big part of no mechanical failures is due to preventitive maintenence. The decision I made to check the valve springs saved me a costly unneeded rebuild. While I had the engine apart to swap out the valve springs and rebuild the lifters with the superior NO needle bushings, it was time for a good inspection and tune up. A consistent compression balance and clean plugs showed me the combustion chamber is happy. I replaced the cap, rotor, plugs, and distributor gear along with inspecting the wires and blowing out the distributor housing. I looked the carb over and checked all the fasteners. I replaced the K&N with a fresh element. They are inexpensive enough that I decided to replace it vs. clean an reoil it. I dropped the visclosity in the engine to 10w40 to drop the cold oil pressure and reduce distributor gear wear.

I picked up another trick tool from LSM racing to do the valve spring change. It was a back breaker but I knocked them all out in a couple hours. Now I have a real baseline for fresh valve springs with my on engine valve spring tester. It turns out that only two of the old valve springs had really lost any significant pressure. The intakes measure 230 and exhaust 210 on the seat.(The values are different than they would measure off the engine) The exhaust lifter I nearly lost was only down to 180 seat. They will be getting checked at every valve lash adjustment.

She's running great and ready for a couple more years of raising hell before similar maintenence.

Up next is a trip down to Best of Show on July 23rd to have Dick and the crew freshen up the paint. Cut and buff and touch up some blemishes.

Nessumsar

06-27-2012, 10:08 AM

Dang Todd, new shoes and a cut-n-buff; she's gunna be real purdy. Just in time to get some rock chips at Buttonwillow too! :rofl:

How many miles did you have on the engine when you checked the spring preasures? You've got me wondering about my engine now, granted its not as high-strung as yours. :_paranoid

Vegas69

06-27-2012, 12:01 PM

FETorino

06-27-2012, 12:15 PM

It only has 3500-4000. Remember, I'm turning it close to 7k and that takes some higher valve spring rates on a big block. Sitting is hard on them as well. I'd still check them if I was you. You may not have a spec but you could see if you have some week springs. I'd let you borrow mine.

Todd

Thanks for the posting on your thread about the lifters. I looked into the no needle rollers and swapped them on the advice of Crower prior to installing the ones I had so it only cost me the difference.:D

Now maybe a belt drive to isolate your springs from engine harmonics would be a good idea. I know they are expensive but they have some advantages, one being the isolation piece one being the adjustability and then there is the trueness of timing and ease of maintenance.

The new shoes looks sweet :thumbsup:

Vegas69

07-25-2012, 08:56 PM

Spiffav8

07-25-2012, 09:02 PM

Guys, it's been one hell of a fun ride building Payback. I've made some great friends, learned some lessons, and had some lifetime experiences. I hate to see her go but it's time to move on and apply my knowledge and skills to a new build. Payback is ready for a new home and adventure.

At this time, I have some ideas floating around my head but nothing is set in stone. I'm going to take a little breather and really formulate a plan for my next hot rod.

I can promise you one thing, it will be interesting and really FAST.:D

Looking forward to the next chapter. It's sure to be even more fun than Payback was.

:cheers:

73CPCAMARO

07-25-2012, 09:16 PM

Todd,

Good luck with your next project. I am looking forward to watching the build of your new car and which direction you go with it.

Brian

FETorino

07-25-2012, 09:23 PM

Payback is impressive.:hail: Whatever you have in mind it must be pretty special to one up your current ride. I guess I missed my opportunity for a BB Ford vs Chevy shootout by a year:D

GLWS somebody is going to get their moneys worth. Your price covers the tuning that's about it.
:cheers:

67zo6Camaro

07-25-2012, 11:58 PM

Guys, it's been one hell of a fun ride building Payback. I've made some great friends, learned some lessons, and had some lifetime experiences. I hate to see her go but it's time to move on and apply my knowledge and skills to a new build. Payback is ready for a new home and adventure.

At this time, I have some ideas floating around my head but nothing is set in stone. I'm going to take a little breather and really formulate a plan for my next hot rod.

I can promise you one thing, it will be interesting and really FAST.:D

Wow, wow wow! I had heard a rumor and now it's true. As some may say "All good things must come to an end"

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

Good luck with finding her a new home, she has been good to you.

:cheers:

chr2002ca

07-26-2012, 06:44 AM

Wow. I had also heard some rumors and kinda thought you might be preparing it for sale. Damn, really sad to see you sell her, but I know you have that competitive spirit and racing bug in you and will most likely build something new that even Satan would be proud of. I look forward to your next build and catching up with you in person again soon. :thumbsup:

DOOM

07-26-2012, 06:49 AM

$110.000 .00 is a absolute steal for that car thats all I gotta say!!!

Ron in SoCal

07-26-2012, 07:44 AM

Vegas69

07-26-2012, 08:19 AM

Thanks for all the kind words. :cheers: The best part of this project has been the people by a landslide. The car just opens that door. For all the guys asses that I've kicked, you better hope the new owner isn't a ringer. :D Whether it's a garage or show queen, or is used to it's full potential, I'm fine with it. I just hope the new owner enjoys it as much as Kelli and I have.

I'm going to close this chapter before I worry about looking for a new project.

Cris@JCG

07-26-2012, 08:56 AM

Good luck with the new project! :cheers: Looking forward to what you build next... I am sure it will have a LS motor! :D

fleet

07-26-2012, 09:33 AM

For your next project, I vote for a Vette.

Formula43 Wheel

07-26-2012, 09:41 AM

Todd,
I'm sure parting with Payback won't be easy. I've said it before and will say it again, you have built one of ther cleanest first gen cars out there. I appreciate your support of Formula 43 wheels with one of her last updates. She has brought a lot of attention our way! Some one out there is gonna be blessed to call her their own. Like everyone else I am looking forward to what you have coming together next.

Much respect to you Todd!

Lenie

07-26-2012, 09:43 PM

Whaaaaathehelllllllll:brix: :brix: :brix: :brix: :censored: :woot:

Swain

07-26-2012, 11:16 PM

One mean machine

Vegas69

07-27-2012, 07:27 AM

:lol: :cheers:

Best of Show Coachworks is doing there magic on the car. They are taking care of a few things that I just flat never got around to. As when you sell a house, you make it so nice you wonder why your're selling it. I feel inspectors will be pleasantly surprised.

chr2002ca

07-27-2012, 08:03 AM

you make it so nice you wonder why your're selling it.

Yah, and keep on wondering about that, extensively!

Okay, I'll do this just once: Don't do it man! Don't watch somebody drive off in her! Don't be that Papa John's guy who goes searching for her 20 years from now and pays 5 times the actual value just to get her back!

(Sorry, trying to selfishly keep my ZL1 brotha around. I got that out of my system and won't do it again.)

She's lookin' sharp in that photo. You could drive in reverse and still have larger back tires than me. LOL. Some lucky bastard is going to be very lucky to own her.

waynieZ

07-27-2012, 08:11 AM

Wow now I'm really sorry I missed you at BOS last Friday. I enjoyed watching you build Payback,and getting quite a few pointers along the way. I'll be watching for what ever you build next.
I just hope we don't have to wait too long!
Best of luck with the sale.

Ron in SoCal

07-27-2012, 08:29 AM

Vegas69

07-27-2012, 10:24 PM

Yah, and keep on wondering about that, extensively!

Okay, I'll do this just once: Don't do it man! Don't watch somebody drive off in her! Don't be that Papa John's guy who goes searching for her 20 years from now and pays 5 times the actual value just to get her back!

(Sorry, trying to selfishly keep my ZL1 brotha around. I got that out of my system and won't do it again.)

She's lookin' sharp in that photo. You could drive in reverse and still have larger back tires than me. LOL. Some lucky bastard is going to be very lucky to own her.

I spent 6 months convincing myself to sell the car. A big part of that was being at peace with the decision. I know there will be times where I'll regret it regardless. Just watching the videos I posted tonight got me all excited. Somehow they look way faster now that I'm selling it. :lol: As I said in my sale thread, this is the first object that I've really had sentimental value associated with. It's the blood, sweat, and experiences. No regrets and I'm looking forward. I'm talking to a couple interested buyers now. I'll find the right buyer soon. It sure would be interesting to compete with my creation down the road with a new project. I suppose it would be similar to seeing your ex old lady with some other guy. :lol:

Greg from Aus

07-28-2012, 12:21 AM

Good luck Todd, that is an amazingly tight car.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Greg

Vegas69

07-28-2012, 08:12 AM

I listed the car on Ebay this morning. If you don't want to take any chances, there is a buy it now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ZL-1-1969-Camaro-Pro-Touring-/320953936239?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4aba58696f

camcojb

07-28-2012, 08:21 AM

good luck Todd, great car. :thumbsup:

Vegas69

07-28-2012, 08:26 AM

Thanks buddy.:cheers:

89 RS

07-30-2012, 07:26 PM

Todd, Hate to see you let go of Payback, but I can't wait to see what you build next! The mods that you have done over the years have inspired me and made me think more about the mods I do to my Camaro. Good luck with the sell, as somebody is getting one heck of a ride!

tones2SS

08-01-2012, 05:50 PM

Todd, good luck with the sale. That is a really nice car and a beast on the track. Sounds and looks killer.:thumbsup: Can't wait to see the new project.

Vegas69

08-01-2012, 06:07 PM

The car will be at the Cruisin Grand car show in Escondido this Friday from 5-9 PM for inspections.

http://cruisingrand.com/calendar.php

chr2002ca

08-01-2012, 06:32 PM

The car will be at the Cruisin Grand car show in Escondido this Friday from 5-9 PM for inspections.

Don't let them park it under one of the trees that lines the streets there. You'll end up with hundreds of tiny sap droplets all over your ride. No fun getting those off. Trust me on that one. :). Good luck with your showing. :thumbsup:

Vegas69

08-01-2012, 08:26 PM

BOS is sponsoring the show so I have a feeling it will be in an alright spot. :unibrow: Thanks man.:cheers:

waynieZ

08-01-2012, 09:33 PM

The car will be at the Cruisin Grand car show in Escondido this Friday from 5-9 PM for inspections.

http://cruisingrand.com/calendar.php

Of corse it will be in Escadido now that I''m home! Just my luck a day late and a dollar short. Payback looks awesome you should get plenty of attention.

Al Moreno

08-01-2012, 09:46 PM

Of coarse it will be in Escondido now that I''m home! Just my luck a day late and a dollar short. Payback looks awesome you should get plenty of attention.

I hear Wayne, I'm 20 minutes away and my wife had to go on and make plans for some Freakin dinner and a play I have to go to 90 minutes away :( If not I'd be there offering moral support. Good luck with the sale Tod. I've enjoyed very much your build thread. Looking forward to your next project.

Vegas69

08-05-2012, 10:55 AM

Pending sale.....

fleet

08-05-2012, 11:26 AM

Pending sale.....

Great wedding gift for Susan to give our Mod-in-motion Flash, but man, a real inadvertent blow to the ego as well...:rolleyes:

:woot:

Seriously, congrats when the deal's completed Todd. :thumbsup:

waynieZ

08-05-2012, 11:59 AM

Great news Todd, good luck.

FETorino

08-05-2012, 12:53 PM

Pending sale.....

Great news. I saw and heard your car at the Escondido cruise night and the build is so well done.:thumbsup: Somebody just got a great deal on a great first gen.

Matt@BOS

08-05-2012, 01:13 PM

Great news. I saw and heard your car at the Escondido cruise night and the build is so well done.:thumbsup: Somebody just got a great deal on a great first gen.

Payback won an award on Friday night too. I had to forgo drinking a cold one to accept the award and talk your car up. Since Dick was the sponsor giving out the awards, he couldn't really hand it to himself. Oh let me clarify that Dick didn't select Payback for the award (not that it isn't deserving, but the sponsors should be handing out awards to cars they brought down). However, the event coordinator wouldn't let the car leave without winning something though!

Oh and on our way back we ran into a new black on black ZL1 Camaro. I think your car emasculated the poor driver :lol:

Matt

Vegas69

08-05-2012, 01:59 PM

Great wedding gift for Susan to give our Mod-in-motion Flash, but man, a real inadvertent blow to the ego as well...:rolleyes:

:woot:

Seriously, congrats when the deal's completed Todd. :thumbsup:

This car is way to fast for Dave. :lol:

Great news Todd, good luck.
Thanks buddy.

Great news. I saw and heard your car at the Escondido cruise night and the build is so well done.:thumbsup: Somebody just got a great deal on a great first gen.

Appreciate the kind words. I'll miss her for sure.
Payback won an award on Friday night too. I had to forgo drinking a cold one to accept the award and talk your car up. Since Dick was the sponsor giving out the awards, he couldn't really hand it to himself. Oh let me clarify that Dick didn't select Payback for the award (not that it isn't deserving, but the sponsors should be handing out awards to cars they brought down). However, the event coordinator wouldn't let the car leave without winning something though!

Oh and on our way back we ran into a new black on black ZL1 Camaro. I think your car emasculated the poor driver :lol:

Matt

It sounds like she's going out on the right foot. Always a dominator on the street and track. I'll never forget pulling up to a stop light next to a Dodge Challenger and he was show boating before he got to the light. The Wife looks over/looks back to her Husband and then must of nearly suffered whiplash looking back over. I gave it a rev, left them in the dust when the light turned green and they took the first turn. :lol: He probably needed some Viagra that night.

Matt, I appreciate you and the guys at BOS taking her down there and winning an award is awesome. :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS

08-05-2012, 03:32 PM

This car is way to fast for Dave. :lol:

Thanks buddy.

Appreciate the kind words. I'll miss her for sure.

It sounds like she's going out on the right foot. Always a dominator on the street and track. I'll never forget pulling up to a stop light next to a Dodge Challenger and he was show boating before he got to the light. The Wife looks over/looks back to her Husband and then must of nearly suffered whiplash looking back over. I gave it a rev, left them in the dust when the light turned green and they took the first turn. :lol: He probably needed some Viagra that night.

Matt, I appreciate you and the guys at BOS taking her down there and winning an award is awesome. :thumbsup:

Don't mention it. I'm sure Dick was equally happy that you didn't mind having your car down there. It was a tough job, and a bit of a burden having to drive that car own there and back, but someone had to do it. :D I totally wished she was mine when the new ZL1 pulled up at the stop beside me, it would have been nice to do a little more than show off the ZL1's bark. However, just the idle made the new car's owner afraid to get on it until he turned to get on the freeway. Whoever winds up with this car is getting a great deal. Drives and rides amazingly well on the street!

Matt