Project "Payback" [Archive] - Page 2

Vegas69

06-29-2008, 03:12 PM

Thanks guys. I am not sold on it either Steve. It doesn't look as shiny without the flash and I have yet to trim some of the ends. In fact Tyler thought the power steering lines were the same AN hose I am using everywhere else. One day I like it the next:D It's really hard to cut it straight. It looks good on the power steering lines since it's a smaller diameter and that is the same material I am using on the wiring. I may just end up cleaning up the hoses and shining them up a little. Heater hoses and AC lines will probably be the deciding factor on the radiator hoses.

skatinjay27

06-29-2008, 06:57 PM

why not use the little heatshrink type hose clamps... they you can have the mesh over the hose but the ends will be covered and look finished? amd imo they are the cleanest looking clamps.
http://www.jegs.com/p/Gates/943359/10002/-1/10603

Vegas69

06-29-2008, 08:38 PM

Thought about those actually....tough to get a heat gun on the water pump inlet and not sure I trust them in the long run. I like the look of the NHRA approved clamps I am using. They aren't going to let me down.

Spiffav8

06-29-2008, 08:41 PM

Vegas69

06-29-2008, 09:08 PM

Steve is where I got the idea to run them....... and we both know how nice his car is done. With a small block or big block you can't get to the back side of the clamp on the water pump to apply heat like you can on an LS. My breather tank and catch can are using the exact same clamps as I am using on the hoses. The mesh will go before the clamps. Plus those boogers aren't cheap like regular hose clamps.

Spiffav8

06-29-2008, 11:12 PM

Vegas69

07-07-2008, 01:14 AM

She is alive. Hooked up the dash panel and ignition switch so I could watch my oil pressure while priming the engine. Pretty exciting to see the fruits of my labor turn into something like lights. Turned over the engine briefly to check the starter shimming and it's perfect.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0865.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0868.jpg

Primed the oil pump for quite a while to make sure I had no leaks. I am running braided 350 hose and a remote oil filter on the front passenger frame. Everything looks great. The distributor is now stabbed and spark plug wires are done.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0866.jpg

Vegas69

07-07-2008, 01:23 AM

For you guys running the DSE sub. Do yourself a favor and have them weld on the Z bar bracket. The inner fender makes this a real pain in the you know what. It's tapped and done right but......it was a last minute change. The clutch rod etc. is on the top of the list. She is a dirty pig right now and needs some touch up. Somehow the inner fender got all scratched to **** on the way here. Of course no steering was probably the cause.
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The boys over at ATS have been treating me right. Here is the solution to my crossmember issues. They modified it with one of their T56 crossmember ends and moved the center bracket slightly. Of course it still needs painted. ATS is top notch. Highly recommend them.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0860.jpg

I added fuel tonight to prime the fuel system and check for leaks. I had 4 leaks. Two at the carb bowls and the fitting on both sides of the pump. I used a pipe dope and the fuel ate right through it. Lucky me!! I had to disasemble all the fittings with the dope and replace it with tape. It's all fixed now but what a mother ######. The carb leaks were caused by a frankly crappy design. They used two gaskets with my high dollar fuel rail. I used the gaskets and tape and it's not leaking anytime soon.

mdprovee

07-07-2008, 09:35 AM

Keep it up, you will be driving it soon!

waynieZ

07-07-2008, 03:59 PM

Wow looks good ! your getting close now! keep the pictures coming.
Wayne

Vegas69

07-09-2008, 01:12 AM

Late last night I realized the dash lights weren't working. The right turn signal also was not functional. I dug in this morning and found blown fuses in both circuits. I definitely had a short on my hands. For those of you that are not real savvy with electronics the key to finding the short is eliminating segments of the wiring that you think has the short. In these old cars it's a piece of cake. It turned out to be my brand spanking new right front parking lamp. They must of chaffed the wires during assembly. I unplugged it and everything is perfect. I'll probably disasemble it and try to fix it vs send it back.

My first view of the gauges at night. :D
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0871.jpg

I spent most of the rest of the night installing my emergency brake cable. Cut the lokar cables have everthing set up perfect. Push down on the pedal and it's rock hard and the wheels aren't moving with a breaker bar. About the third time it sinks to the floor. Pile of crap OER front cable broke third pull. :unibrow: So brand new OER parts are my two bugs to fix for the night. My works flawless.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0873.jpg
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waynieZ

07-10-2008, 08:46 AM

Looking good! hey did you notice those large gauges when lit look like they have Chevy emblems in the center . Keep picking at it your getting closer.
Wayne

Vegas69

07-10-2008, 09:12 PM

Good call Wayne:cheers:

Vegas69

07-13-2008, 01:20 PM

Well I finally got my front brakes. Have to say Frank over at Prodigy Customs came through for me as always. 13" rotors have been on back order and he hooked me up with 14" for free. Keep in mind guys that I have spent a nickel or two thisyear with him so don't go asking. :lol: They are flipping huge!
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I have only had time to install the drivers side. Had to buy C6 bolts from Chevy for the mounting brackets. I also had to clearance the spindle slightly with a aggressive file for the caliper bracket to mount flush. Plenty of clearance now and the wheels fit nice as well. Drivers side is all shimmed out and ready for some fun.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0895.jpg
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Vegas69

07-13-2008, 01:25 PM

I fired her up for the first time this morning. She sounds really really good and healthy. Only 90 today but the fans kept it right at 195 where I have it programmed. Stoked is an understatement right now.

Crank your speakers for some big block music

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/th_MVI_0901.jpg (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/?action=view&current=MVI_0901.flv)

I need to play with timing and idle speed still. About a tea spoon of oil on the floor from one oil line at filter adapter after 20 minutes. Think they probably just need a littl more torque. I have since learned these fittings need to be pretty tight after my fuel fiasco.

Spiffav8

07-13-2008, 01:26 PM

Keep at it Brother! It's looking awesome!! Be over as soon as I get back in town for a look.

Can't wait to see that sucker on the road!:unibrow:

waynieZ

07-13-2008, 01:57 PM

Brakes and the first firing . Awesome days work , you'll be driving in no time.
Keep us updated.
Wayne

GHOSTDANCER

07-13-2008, 02:52 PM

Wicked sounding :thumbsup: :cheers:

skatinjay27

07-13-2008, 09:59 PM

well damn i was thinking about calling you today too and shoot down there to check out the car. doh... glad you went 14" up front!!

Vegas69

07-13-2008, 10:42 PM

:cheers: I am hoping you guys will be going for a ride when you show up at my place.

tones2SS

07-14-2008, 09:29 AM

Vegas69

07-21-2008, 11:53 PM

WOW!!! Nice build. Thanks for posting your build pics/video of your car and keeping me motivated.
As of right now, I can ONLY dream of having a nice car like that. Seeing the build process and how it all comes togther makes me really appreciate the hard work/time that you and others have spent on their cars. I can only wish I had a fraction of car knowledge as yourself. Seeing your car, Steve Rupps car & Jeff Hansons car, for example, and others,(don't want to leave anybody out), makes me want to call Fesler for a build!!! LOL!!
Good luck and keep us posted!!:thumbsup: :cheers: :cheers:

It's all alot of fun at the end of the day. It's way more work than most can imagine or can be documented. At least it is on these top shelf builds. You can't cut corners. It has to look great, function perfectly, and be reliable. Lot's of four letter words floating out of my garage somedays but it's still a blast. That is awful good company you have compared me to. I appreciate it.

Vegas69

07-22-2008, 12:00 AM

Well after all these months I have steering!!!! Smooth as butter and looks great too.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0930.jpg

I now have brakes too! Fought a couple leaks with the connections around the master cylinder. Loosening the lines and retightening them did the trick. I vaccuum blead them last night. The old lady let me borrow her leg. Brakes feel great, no leaks, really like the feel of them so far. DSE dash is fully bolted in along with the column, steering wheel, brake switch, drivers seat is in. When it's done I'll post all the photos.
Made a homemade bench bleeder.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0932.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0933.jpg

It's on the road this week! Have a couple of trick parts here and on the way to dress her up a little. haha

BBC69Camaro

07-22-2008, 06:01 AM

Wow looks really good :hail:

waynieZ

07-22-2008, 12:36 PM

Some nice progress, I can't wait to hear from you after you drive it. That should be a good post. Keep us informaed.
Wayne

skatinjay27

07-22-2008, 06:37 PM

sweet to hear bud!! sorry i didnt call ya saturday... it was just so hot a cars and coffee and i was tired from not sleeping the night before.
do you wanna go there this sat.? its on eastern and 215 so its pretty close to you. i wasent plan on going this weekend but if you want to go im definetly down.
http://www.carsandcoffee.info/

awr68

07-22-2008, 08:02 PM

Awesome progress!!

Vegas69

07-23-2008, 02:14 AM

Thanks boys....AJ, Saturday is out. I dropped her tonight and the body and the tires were best friends. I could get 5 turns out of the front coil overs and managed 1/8 of an inch clearance.:D Don't have a spanner wrench for the front yet. So basically oil line, stance, hood keep me from showing up. I'll have it knocked out very soon. Looks killer on the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:_paranoid

tones2SS

07-23-2008, 04:44 AM

Those LEMON headers look good & HUGE!!!
The must flow pretty well huh?:thumbsup: :cheers:
Post pics of her on the ground and ready to roll when you get some free time.

Denvervet

07-23-2008, 09:47 PM

I'd love to see what Tyler came up with getting the exhaust thru and out the back. I forgot to ask why you decided to go with an exterior fuel pump rather than an internal one. ...besides the $$. All looks very cool.... I mean bad.:thumbsup:

Vegas69

07-24-2008, 12:37 AM

Well the good news is the stance is getting close and I finally got my crows foot for the oil lines. The bad news is I don't have steering again. I fired her up today and tweeked the idle. Man she sounds nice:D Look under the car after about 5 minutes and power steering fluid everywhere. I am pretty sure the steering shaft seal blew out of the rack!! Brand new. So looks like I'll be pulling the rack out...otherwise I would have been driving it tonight.:(
If I had it to do over again, it would have an internal pump. It turned out nice and it was to save a few pennies. The exhaust is not done yet. As soon as I get this rack problem fixed it's heading down his way.

GPI

07-24-2008, 12:40 AM

Ahh, I hoped only good news! Did you find a wrench for the coilovers?

Vegas69

07-24-2008, 08:20 AM

Tyler at ATS came to the rescue again. He was nice enough to let me borrow his spanner wrench. Had to raise them 6 more turns. Plenty of clearance now. May end up lowering it a touch. Now I have to pull the rack out.

Efi69Cam

07-24-2008, 09:23 AM

Vegas69

07-24-2008, 10:15 AM

Turns out it's my fault sort of. The rack comes with a red and yellow plug. You guessed it....I assumed the red was pressure. Wrong! I almost called DSE and completley forgot. There are som many little things with these cars. Probably going to need a new rack and pinion. They aren't that expensive so no biggie. Just a little delay.:rolleyes:

Efi69Cam

07-24-2008, 11:42 AM

Vegas69

07-24-2008, 04:57 PM

Napa's reman looked like it had been drug behind the truck a few miles and painted by a blind man. Going to pull mine. Probably just the seal popped out under pressure.

waynieZ

07-24-2008, 05:31 PM

Sorry to hear about the Rack problem . Their are so many thing to keep in mind when your assembling these car it makes you head spin. I hope its a quick fix for you. Keep us updated
Wayne

Spiffav8

07-29-2008, 09:41 PM

Todd...did you get that sucker moving down the road yet?

awr68

07-30-2008, 12:22 AM

Keep at it brother....you're almost there!!! :woot:

Vegas69

07-30-2008, 07:09 AM

Keep at it brother....you're almost there!!! :woot:

Curtis......found out the rack was junk so I didn't bother having you cross town. DSE is selling me a brand new rack at cost. They took care of me as always. It should be here today. Depending on how energetic I am tonight...it will be on it's maiden voyage by the weekend. Stance is pretty dialed in at this point. Need to get out the timing light so I can lock down the distributor. Also resealed the oil line fittings and haven't been underneath to see if that pesky drip is gone.

Spiffav8

07-30-2008, 09:43 AM

Curtis......found out the rack was junk so I didn't bother having you cross town. DSE is selling me a brand new rack at cost. They took care of me as always. It should be here today. Depending on how energetic I am tonight...it will be on it's maiden voyage by the weekend. Stance is pretty dialed in at this point. Need to get out the timing light so I can lock down the distributor. Also resealed the oil line fittings and haven't been underneath to see if that pesky drip is gone.

Delays like those are disappointing for sure. Let me know when you get ready to drive it so I can be there.

Vegas69

07-30-2008, 10:13 AM

Not really.....I expected some hicups. The car has only been here about 3 months.

gmjj13

07-30-2008, 12:26 PM

beautiful car. i've been following your build for a while. looks killer. that is definately one of the nicest 69's i've seen. let us know how the maiden voyage goes. :thumbsup:

skatinjay27

07-30-2008, 04:27 PM

thats really cool of them to sell it to you at cost since your the one sticking corks in hole they dont belong lol.

Vegas69

07-30-2008, 05:08 PM

Come on over so I can slap you. :unibrow: It's Franks fault he didn't send the instructions. Wait it's a Ford rack and pinion. We'll just leave it at that.:rofl:

Vegas69

07-30-2008, 05:10 PM

beautiful car. i've been following your build for a while. looks killer. that is definately one of the nicest 69's i've seen. let us know how the maiden voyage goes. :thumbsup:

Thanks man.....she's getting there. I am a little fizzled out at this point.

awr68

07-30-2008, 08:59 PM

Good to hear DSE took care of you!
Is the interior in yet?

Vegas69

07-31-2008, 03:52 PM

Interior is last.....probably going to have an interior shop finish it off for me. I still need to get a sound system and the vintage air in there. I'll be driving it with sound deadener, door panels, DSE dash, dash pad, etc until I decide on back seat, stereo, etc. Shouldn't be a real big deal. The back seat is the only possible snag. Sparco doesn't make the material to match my front seats yet. It's not looking like it will be easy to match either. Waiting on two teflon washers and the rack is back in. I did a bolt check on the entire front end last night to make sure everything is torqued properly.

waynieZ

07-31-2008, 08:18 PM

Shouldn't be too long you'll be driving it . Hope it goes smooth for you .

Yenkostyle

08-01-2008, 10:45 AM

Great build! Cant wait to see it all finished and hitting the streets!

fesler

08-01-2008, 12:12 PM

Car looks sick, did you go with Billet hinges yet? I did not see it in the post anywhere. We have some nice black or brushed that would look sick in there along with our billet Fender braces. I also have a bolt kit. If you are interested I will work you a killer deal for all to get them on your car. I really like the build and like you said you cant go wrong with black. Frank did a kick azz job :cheers:

Vegas69

08-24-2008, 01:19 PM

Vegas69

08-24-2008, 01:27 PM

It's been a while since I updated my project. As some of you know I had some fuel system problems after a few test drives. Very noisy pump and low pressure when hot. Replaced the pump and it was junk out of the box.
I was very burnt out after working on the car nonstop since it showed up in April and haven't done much to it for a few weeks. The 100-110 degree temps will zap you pretty quick. After all this is supposed to be fun. I am ready to dig back in with fall and decent temps around the bend. I have redesigned the fuel system with new components and old. I will be running a return style system with the following components:

Feed: 1/2 npt to 10an
New Aeromotive shut off valve/filter 10an
Mallory 140 fuel pump
1/2 hardline and 8AN after pump
Holley return style regulator(Wanted to use the same bracketry)
1/2 hardline and 8 an return line into the top of the tank
1/2 to 10 an Vent from the top of the tank

I am still waiting on two 1/2 stainless fittings from Ricks so I can have ATS weld them in for my new return and larger vent. Ricks only puts a 1/4 npt vent standard. It should be atleast as large as your fuel line. As soon as I get the tank squared away I'll have it knocked out in a couple nights or a day.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0971.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0974.jpg

Vegas69

08-24-2008, 01:33 PM

I also had some major concerns about the fuel sender. The needle has always been pegged on Empty. Knowing I had 4 gallons in the tank I checked the resistance at my sender plug and found .5 ohms. That explains why it's pegged on empty. After a call to Hector over at Ricks Tanks I discovered that they have the sender off the tank floor more than I expected. Now that I have the tank out and the entire fuel system apart it was time to test it. I found nothing wrong with the sender. It looks like I'll have one hell of a reserve. :D That could get me in some trouble.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0968.jpg
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Vegas69

09-16-2008, 01:20 AM

It's been a adventurous few weeks to say the least. Business had been crazy busy and I spent the better part of 2 weeks redesigning my fuel system to a return style system which included ATS welding in some stainless stell bungs. I ended up with a mallory 140 pump and three 1/2 npt bungs. Feed, retun, vent. I ran 1/2npt to 10an feed to the pump and 8an hardline and braided to the regulator, 8an and 1/2 hardline return to the top of the tank, 1/2 vent from the top of the tank. Everybody said it was overkill to run that size vent. I filled my car up tonight with the pump at full blast. With a 3/8 barb it would barely take fuel. Mallory really lead me in the right direction. Highly recommend those guys!

After all my fuel fun it was time to take her down to ATS for exhaust. Frank at prodigycustoms sent me my magnaflow system in stainless with 3" pipes and mufflers. After getting the fuel system dialed in and open headers I decided to drive her down to ATS. It's about 15 miles from my place. The car ran absolutely fantastic and I hadn't calibrated the speedo and was running 90-100mph down the I 15 into Vegas. Car felt so good! I get down to the frontage road to ATS and goose it to show off and slammed on the brakes to make the turn. The engine floods out and the headers catch fire from the excess fuel. Now the air cleaner catches fire. Luckily I grabbed my extinguisher for the ride and Tyler came running. I popped the hood immediately and we got it out before much damage. Well turns out the rear float level on a 850 holley being to high will dump fuel into your engine under hard braking especially to a stop. I had the pleasure of spending 4-6 hours sanding headers with soap, water, and fine steel wool, brushing floor boards, and replacing a couple wire loom nylons. I got so damn lucky . She's about 80% of what she was pre fire. Meaning detail wise.
So I pulled the carb off and ripped it apart to see if any debris was present from my fuel plumbing job. Carb was clean. Had to be rear float level. Put her back on the car and it leaked like a siv. Replaced the float bowl gasket and it leaked. Had to replaced the bolt nylons to get it to quit. This is when I went to school on holley float adjusting. Finally got her dialed in tonight .
Time for the test drive. Take her out and hammer her pretty hard. This biatch flys! Running down the freeway doing 80 and it sputter and dies. Just what I need right now. It's out of gas. Best news I have had in 3 weeks. Old lady bring a gas can and she fires right up and I filled it up dialed in the idle and there she sits.
Springs are settling super fast. I need to crank up the coil overs again to get it to where the front doesn't rub and the back looks proportional.
Pictures and a killer video are coming very soon .

fleetus macmullitz

09-16-2008, 01:31 AM

The engine floods out and the headers catch fire from the excess fuel. Now the air cleaner catches fire. Luckily I grabbed my extinguisher for the ride and Tyler came running. I popped the hood immediately and we got it out before much damage.

Wow! You are like a 'Camaro Batman' :lol:

Seriously, glad it wasn't worse.:thumbsup:

Flash68

09-16-2008, 02:24 AM

Good stories Todd! You're getting there! :thumbsup:

Cant wait for pics and video!

Rybar

09-16-2008, 12:16 PM

Fun working out the bugs in a new build. Glad you are starting to enjoy all your hard work. :yes:

And YES we need PICS!! :thumbsup:

7TSS

09-16-2008, 01:07 PM

Wow.....15 mi w/ open headers. Music to my ears hehe. :thumbsup:
Glad to hear everything is gettin done.
Can't wait for pics and vids. :yes:

Vegas69

09-18-2008, 09:22 PM

Been taking her on routine little runs. To the gym and for a haircut yesterday. Tonight I went to lowes and ran a big loop on the freeway. I have to say driving my 08 550i is a bore now. :rofl: Walking out of lowes tonight made it all worth it. The flourescent light really made the wheels bling. A nice couple was like what is that thing. First set of jaws dropping. The picture sucks but I couldn't resist and shot it with my cellphone. She looked about 10 times as hot. If I had a lawn chair and a 6 pack well....
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Lowesphoto.jpg

awr68

09-18-2008, 09:45 PM

Awesome Todd! Can't believe you left it in the parking lot and it was there when you got back! I guess you are more trusting than me!!

skatinjay27

09-18-2008, 09:59 PM

hey rupp you thought about shooting this car while your out here d for sema and penny beating :unibrow:
i know most readers complain about 69s but who gives a hoot. lol

Vegas69

09-18-2008, 10:17 PM

Awesome Todd! Can't believe you left it in the parking lot and it was there when you got back! I guess you are more trusting than me!!

I am not trusting at all! My first one got stolen. It's very nerve racking. Maybe I'll buy me a pitbull to ride shotgun.

Flash68

09-18-2008, 10:35 PM

Awesome, Todd. Shoot some more pics!

Spiffav8

09-19-2008, 11:20 AM

Looks like I might be home in a few days. Hope to make a cars and coffee run when I get there. Hope your up for it as it may be one of my last.

Vegas69

09-19-2008, 12:39 PM

You got a deal.:cheers:

Denvervet

09-19-2008, 04:17 PM

That is still just a killer looking car. What did you ultimately do about routing exhaust?

Rybar

09-19-2008, 05:02 PM

Looks awesome, even in the crappy cell pic. You did good with this car, was built pretty quick from what I remember? :thumbsup:

Vegas69

09-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Really appreciate it guys. I dumped it before the axle. It's just really tight especially with my stance. The magnaflow system is just not that loud. I also have plans for more sound deadening when I have the interior finished. It was fairly quick. Frank got the car last fall and I've had it for about 5-6 months. I really worked hard on it for a while. I'll have some killer pictures and video when it's officially done.

skatinjay27

09-19-2008, 08:57 PM

i personally dont care for magnaflow or any turbo style muffler on old school sbc and bbc. for thier sound and sound level... i ran turbos on my car for a short amount of time... but they sure do sound killer on penny though.
i thought you didnt want it too loud?

Vegas69

09-19-2008, 09:03 PM

It's pretty quiet. You'll see soon enough.

awr68

09-19-2008, 09:16 PM

Todd, I'm going to have to check it out during SEMA week! :yes:

dhondagod

09-19-2008, 09:49 PM

Vegas69

09-20-2008, 12:59 AM

Todd, I'm going to have to check it out during SEMA week! :yes:

You got a deal:cheers:

Vegas69

09-20-2008, 01:01 AM

That is one sexy ride! Nice to see it out in public! :cheers: 15 miles on the fwy uncorked was one to remember Ill bet. I wonder what the thoughts were of the people you passed in that thing?

Guy looking in rearview mirror: "Honey, look at this car coming... AHHHHHHH!!!!" :willy: (Black 69 roars by, guy in minivan screams like girl, swerves and pees himself, kids scarred for life) :lol: :hail:

Chris:cool:

Pretty funny....my buddy chasing me was talking on the phone and they could here it and said it sounded killer. He was atleast a couple hundred yards back with the windows up.

Spiffav8

09-20-2008, 04:59 AM

I think we need some car to car video! :unibrow:

Should be home in 48 hours if all goes right. Let's get Aj, Tyler and the rest out to C & C this weekend.

ProdigyCustoms

09-20-2008, 05:43 AM

I am out there early for SEMA. We get in Friday moring and are doing Halloween there. So I will be looking for some hot laps before the big show.

Vegas69

09-20-2008, 11:17 AM

I'll be handing you the keys.:cheers:

Vegas69

09-21-2008, 08:08 PM

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radrambler

09-21-2008, 08:23 PM

damn,that Is Slick

beautiful Camaro

Radrambler

awr68

09-21-2008, 08:51 PM

That's a bad mother! Palm trees and early camaros...two of my favorite things!! :cheers:

Spiffav8

09-22-2008, 05:05 PM

Vegas69

09-22-2008, 05:40 PM

I haven't decided yet. Depends on work and a few other variables.

skatinjay27

09-22-2008, 08:45 PM

Todd,

I got back last night and of course had to make a run by ATS today. Sounds like Russ has 8 parking spots at his father in Laws shop for the car show in Henderson this weekend. Sounds like you, me, Aj, Tyler and Jeff at the moment. You up for it?? Call over to ATS and let Russ know he's setting it all up.

Oh yeah.....the car looks wicked!my cars out of comission for the next few years:unibrow: already turned in the plates and took out ALL the int...yes the dash too. speaking of which ill probally be ask todd soon to borrow the cherry picker!

Vegas69

09-22-2008, 09:47 PM

It's yours when you need it man.:cheers:

awr68

09-22-2008, 09:54 PM

You guys have all the fun down there!! :cheers:

tjbruning

09-22-2008, 10:53 PM

nice looking car. :thumbsup:

Rybar

09-23-2008, 11:11 AM

Your car looks freaking awesome! Very menacing look! :thumbsup:

Spiffav8

09-23-2008, 06:03 PM

my cars out of comission for the next few years:unibrow: already turned in the plates and took out ALL the int...yes the dash too. speaking of which ill probally be ask todd soon to borrow the cherry picker!

Aj.....what did you do? Are you going to start a build thread?? When do I get to come over and have a look at what your doing and what your planning?

Spiffav8

09-23-2008, 06:05 PM

You guys have all the fun down there!! :cheers:

Always do! Good bunch to roll with. :thumbsup:

Vegas69

09-25-2008, 01:34 AM

Got one word for this car. Insane. First time I have ever punched the throttle and got sideways going 55!!!!:D That 587 ftlbs at 3700 gets it done. The money spent on the headers and exhaust was worth every penny. I am confident I am getting every last ounce of horsepower out of this engine. Working out some bugs this week.

Clutch pedal wasn't returning to the pedal stop. I made a z bracket out of 3/8 steel and a stronger spring. I attached it to the blow proof bellhousing. With these 2 1/8 headers using a stock spring setup is not going to happen. Redo

Pinion angle/ rear tire rub. After a discussion a month of so ago I discovered that the pinion angle was supposed to be 1 degree negative of the drive line angle with a G Bar. A little more with high horsepower applications. I set mine at 2 degrees negative tonight after having it 2 degree negative of level. It did smooth out the acceleration somewhat. I knew I would gain some clearance from the front of the tire to the fender lip. It actually moved the tire back .5 inches and centered the tire in the wheel well.:thumbsup: Two problems solved in one. It didn't get rid of the vibration that starts right at 72. It's got to be wheel balance because it has none until that point. (Buy the Prodigy Bar....the stock setup absolutely sucks for pinion angle adjustments) I hope the neighbors kids were in bed.

Hesitation hot off idle/ hard hot start I bought a Phenolic .5 carb spacer. This cuts way down on the heat transfer between the engine and carb. From some research new fuels boil easier than old. The cooler you can keep your carb the better. Tomorrow it's going on and then I will tweak the idle mixtures and accelerator pumps. This should help me eleminate the stumble off idle and hard hot start.

Re routed my vent for my fuel tank. More of a striaght up design. While under the car tonight I now have a leak at my pump inlet. Drip ever once an a while. I used high temp teflon and let it set up for 72hrs. These things are a bitch to seal.

I also adjusted all four coil overs for the third time. The front is higher than I would like but it seems to still be settling. I am going to drive it for a few weeks and then worry about getting it perfect.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1055.jpg

awr68

09-25-2008, 09:42 AM

Good to hear there is enough power for ya!!

Keep at it, the to-do list is getting shorter! Oh, and centering the rear wheel was an awesome bonus!! :thumbsup:

Spiffav8

09-27-2008, 08:26 PM

For anyone that's been following Todds build, I'm hear to tell you it's a top notch!

Today Todd and I grabbed the girls and hit the Highway. First it was a run to breakfast out in Boulder City, followed by a cruise around the lake. Then it was over to Henderson for the big car show they had going on. It was great day with some killer cars....even four pro touring camaros (all members). Running down the Highway and around the Lake was a blast. Todds car has an amazing sound. It's as sweet as a P-51 Mustang! It was a real treat to see him in my rear view mirror and then watch him go booming by. He's made some awesome progress and the car shows his eye for detail.

Sadly the battery in the Camera died after the few pictures. Once it's charged I'll see if any turned out and are worthy of posting.

Thanks for the fun Todd....looking forward to next weekend.

Vegas69

10-03-2008, 12:03 AM

Had quite a few requests for a exhaust video. 3 inch magnaflow with x pipe dumped at the axle. Mellow but sounds pretty good at redline. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH1SW7J74dU
Spending most of my time ironing out the bugs. I have to say it's one of my favorite phases on the car. Basically fine tuning a driving car. Today I drove down to George's Alignment shop. Old school shop opened in the 50's. I have found a bunch of local connections building this car. Still align cars with a set of plates, pit, and bubble gauges. Perfect since ever alignment shop couldn't put heads on m 19 inch rims. Steering wheel is perfectly straight and the camber is dialed in at .5 degrees negative. 100 bones and I'm out. http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Alignmentshop.jpg
I can't go anywhere without people flocking to this car. The alignment guy takes it out to check the steering wheel alignment and a photographer stops by and hands me his card. Good news is he has many strippers on hand for nude photos with the car. Old lady didn't seem to thrilled. What she doesn't know won't kill her right? I drove it down to Toyota to get a sun visor for my ladies truck. Harrassed on the way in and out. Kids go nuts over it and tonight a couple of hot young chicks were flirting with me like crazy. Didn't expect it to be so popular everywhere I go.

Flash68

10-03-2008, 12:32 AM

cant really hear anything in that video (other than what sounds like air or wind). would love to hear one with someone revving it while standing outside the car or something, especially since i am considering the exact same exhaust setup. :D

awr68

10-03-2008, 12:40 AM

So did you have a basic alignment before? Hate to see those tires get trashed!

Vegas69

10-03-2008, 12:46 AM

Flash68

10-03-2008, 01:06 AM

Yep.....yours truly with a tape measure. :D It drove straight with no shims. It ended up being .5 positive. Now it's at .5 negative and 5 degrees caster. Toe dead nuts. Tires are wearing perfectly so far at 550 miles.
Flash you are going to have to wait until we get the real video done. My buddy is chomping at the bit but I want the interior done so it's pro. My camera is just not that great. It's really just a deep throaty all business sound. Curtis told me it's one of his favorite part of my car. Of course he's heard it at 5k blowing by his drivers door.

:lol: Yeah I did watch that other vid you posted mashing it on the freeway. That was sweet. No worries man. I hear ya. I think I will probably start with dumps like yours, and if I think it's too loud I can add more pipe out the rear after that.

Vegas69

10-16-2008, 08:19 PM

It's been a couple weeks and I haven't got a whole lot accomplished. Well yes and no.
I have a small vibration that starts at 72. Thought it was wheel balance so I tried some dyna beads.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1111.jpg
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Not to bad to install. Take out the valve stems and put in 4 oz of these tiny beads. Patience goes a long ways. Didn't do a damn thing. :D I am starting to think it's just a by product of solid motor mounts and overdrive.

Vegas69

10-16-2008, 08:24 PM

Well the car is out of commission for interior work. I talked to a couple shops and they wanted crazy money and the car for the rest of my life. So I decided to get as far as I can, of course being happy with the outcome and what I am not capable of or have time for someone can finish.

Well 600hp and 2 1/8 primaries makes some serious heat. The floors are coated inside and out, and I also have second skin dynapro or whatever they call it. The floor was still getting hot especially in the foot boards and tunnel. I decided to add a second layer of insulation. It's 3/8 inch thick with jute and foil on both sides. The whole floor and tunnel is done. I built up the rear floor pans to be even as they would be from the factory. Since I have the DSE connectors it puts a nice hump in the floor pan for the carpet. I then taped it all with aluminized heat tape.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1125.jpg

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I am also going to leave the jute on the carpet. Should be nice and cozy now. I already cut the carpet to short.:unibrow: I have a new set here.

Vegas69

10-16-2008, 08:32 PM

I have spent alot of time looking at different stereo and speaker options. You really didn't think I was going to half ass the sound system did you.:D

I decided to go with an Alpine 2008 model with IPOD, HD radio, Blue tooth, etc. You can pick your songs right on the head unit. Pretty slick set up. It's wired up and ready to go.

I am also running the factory setup in the dash, except for I opted for the kenwood upgrade. The bracket that came with it was so flimsy I decided to make my own.

Now for the fun part. Everything else is top of the line JL Audio. I am going to have 2 4" speakers in the kicks with tweeters. 2 6x9's in the rear dash with tweeters. 10" sub in the trunk along with my 1320 watt amp. Should get the job done.:thumbsup: Once I get the carpet back in and seats all the rest of the sounds system. I am going to take it somewhere to build the box. The amp will be mounted to it and maybe the trunk carpeted.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1123.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1114.jpg

I have to say that I have never been that interested in interior or sound systems. I am enjoying it so far.

awr68

10-16-2008, 09:08 PM

You should enjoy it! I am a big fan of JL products and have had some over the years!

BBC69Camaro

10-16-2008, 09:20 PM

Be interesting to see how mount all those speakers.

Oh and nice bike too!

71dusterjon

10-16-2008, 09:21 PM

let me know how that alpine deck work because ive been looking at for sometime now.

Spiffav8

10-16-2008, 09:51 PM

You going to have that thing all back together in time for Cars and Coffee on Saturday? I'm in town and would really like to hit it this weekend. Maybe a cruise with Tyler and Jeff and a few video cameras. :yes:

skatinjay27

10-16-2008, 10:01 PM

are you gonna run the dash speakers and the kicks of the in-dash reciever, and then the 6x9 and sub off the amp? did you get custom kick panels?
should sound killer! and that amp was probally a pretty penny.

Vegas69

10-16-2008, 10:30 PM

Not a chance of having it back together. I'm hoping by Sema :_paranoid Looking like a good chance of me working Saturday anyway.
AJ...it's a 6 channel amp. Right now I am planning to run the dash speakers off the deck....kicks off 2 channels, 6x9's off two channels, and bridge the last two for the sub. That gives me 70rms per small speaker and 150 rms for the sub. I may end up running the 4 fronts in parallel since they are rated at 35-40rms. Going to call JL on that. No custom kicks. Plenty of room for these speakers in the stock kicks. Which leads me to another story. Brand new kicks and the drivers side is to thick and the door won't shut. Thought it was the door panel. Nope...molded wrong. Passenger fits perfect. Ordered a second hoping it was molded better. I tweaked it and cut on it and it still wouldn't work. This is my first stereo install believe it or not. I'm a gear head but pretty excited about this whole deal.

rich-allen

10-17-2008, 07:11 AM

I can't wait to see this installed.

Payton King

10-17-2008, 07:52 AM

you put the juke and carpet over it...and then it will be nice and cool. I drove mine like that for a while and was dissapointed with how much heat came through.

You stereo set up is almost identical to mine. I am running vinatge air, so I made pods in the cowl area. 5.25 Memphis seperates. Used stock non air kicks and trimed the back of them. Where the vent levers on the kicks were, I mounted the tweeters. Have 2 4 inch JL Audios in the dash, 2 6x9 in the rear deck and 10 sub firing through back seat.

Deck power runs the 4 inchers in the center dash and 6 Channel JL Audio does the rest...just like you plan.

My car is so loud driving that you really do not get the benefit of how good the system is....

I think you will find that you will need to turn up the gain on the front speakers in the kicks. The center speakers, even running on the deck power, will be very loud and over power the others.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Vegas69

10-17-2008, 08:14 AM

skatinjay27

10-17-2008, 02:31 PM

I am going to have to go back and look at your build again for some ideas. I plan to fire the sub into the back seat as well. The shape of the trunk makes it interesting, that's for sure. Definitely need to leave that to a pro. audio stuff is actually what spring boarded me into being a car junkie.lol before i could even drive i was working on car stereos and sitting in cars bumping the stereo in the garage lol.
I have done sub installs in a few years but i will tell you that bass is not like treble and you dont hear bass but feeling and bass frequences are actually louder the farther they are away... basically what im saying is that you dont what the sub facing the back seat, you want it facing towards the back of thbe car and the bass frequencewill bounce off the truck wall and will create a much louder "sound" at lower volume levels which in return will give you a much better sound quality whick imo is the most important.
i dont know what the factory kick look like, are they built for speakers or are you just gonna cut holes for them?
if you can get some custom ones make for not to much i would really go that route cause it helps alot with sound stageing if the speakers point towards the listeners ears and not right into thier foot.lol
if you need any help just give me a call im no pro and a little rusty but for the most part know my audio ****.

Payton King

10-20-2008, 08:15 AM

but I was trying to keep my car quite as I could inside. I have dual 3 inch exhaust with an H pipe. The mufflers are 14 inches long and you can see straight through them. I knew I was not putting sound deadening in the trunk or carpet, so I put a thin piece of metal over the back and cut a hole for the sub to fire through. That way I could isolate the trunk from the cabin.

My sub box is very simple. basically a square with an angle to match the angle of the back seat. Mounted my amp to the box.

Payton King

10-20-2008, 08:21 AM

but they are too big to post. If you like I could email them to you

Vegas69

10-20-2008, 12:40 PM

I was thinking something very similar. :thumbsup:

DOOM

10-20-2008, 04:04 PM

Hi Todd
Are you going to have it done for the Lateral get together???
Mario

Vegas69

10-20-2008, 04:50 PM

Done....probably not. I am hoping to have it complete minus the backseat, subwoofer box, and carpet int the trunk. The car will be there more than likely.

Vegas69

10-25-2008, 09:17 PM

I need my car back on the road by next weekend for some cruises and Sema stuff. I now have the Heat/AC unit brackets and misc. to get it level and in the right position for ducts and hoses. With a shaved firewall and not wanting to breach it, things are more difficult.
I decided I wanted the combination of old school fresh air vents and modern AC and Heat. I have good memories of opening the vents in my 68 on a cool night. So it will have both. I installed the 4" JL's in the kicks and isulated the area behind the speakers.
Since the dash top was replaced by Prodigy Customs during the body restoration, the defrost vent mounts were missing. I fabbed up some brackets out of some roofing materials and they are exactly where they need to be.
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Vegas69

10-25-2008, 09:20 PM

I spent a **** load of time on the rear dash shelf getting it to fit decent. I trimmed the edges with molding. I also insulated it with the same material used on the floor. The JL 6x9's are in and it looks decent. I need some more molding to put in the cut outs for the roll bar. All and all not the proudest moment of the build but I think it's good enough.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1145.jpg
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Spiffav8

10-25-2008, 09:28 PM

Looks good to me!:thumbsup:

Vegas69

10-25-2008, 09:42 PM

The rest of the day was spent on misc. wiring including the AC, convenience lights, stereo, and cutting the carpeting. At the end of the day it was cool to have the interior lights working with the jamb switches and playing King George off the ipod through the front speakers. :thumbsup:
Tomorrow I'll install the kicks for the final time, run all the amp wiring including rca cables, intall the carpet for good, shifter boot, radio, cut the holes in the firewall for the AC and heater hoses.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/th_MVI_1155.jpg (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/?action=view&current=MVI_1155.flv)

awr68

10-25-2008, 09:47 PM

Nice progress! I look forward to checking it out soon!!

Vegas69

10-28-2008, 07:20 PM

Well I decided that I have done enough work on my car lately. It's not finished but getting pretty damn close. When you garage looks like this, it's time to throw the seats back in and enjoy the fruits of your labor. I like driving it more than working on it anyway. I am a crew of one and this is the time to drive my car. It's comfy now and I have tunes. In the next few weeks I'll have a box built, carpet the trunk, and put in the back seat. My main goal was get it decent for the Sema fun.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1162.jpg

Vegas69

10-28-2008, 07:26 PM

Carpet is in, radio is in, all speaker wiring is routed, shifter boot, kick panels, rear shelf, all speakers except sub. Sticking point if drivers door panel. The door won't shut with it installed in the right spot for the windlace. Car is identical on both sides. Probably going to need to shave the panel. So may end up recovering both panels and then the rear panels will match so they aren't done.

I decided to clean up the garage and in the middle put the front spoiler on with one bolt. What do you think? With or without the spoiler?
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1169.jpg
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I took the car out last night and today. What a huuuuuuge difference the second layer of insulation and carpet made. The floor doesn't get even warm and the old school astro venitlation is awesome. It's much quieter as well.

I will be at the Lateral G dinner and hopefully the road races. A shameless photo.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1175.jpg

You will have to see the interior at the Lateral G party or when it's finished. Now for the best part, it's time to take the car out. 75, no wind, and not a cloud in the sky.

HotRod68Camaro

10-28-2008, 07:33 PM

The car looks great. I say keep the front spoiler on. I still can't get over how large that rear lip is, simply awesome.

Flash68

10-28-2008, 07:34 PM

Damn that sucker is sharp! Definitely with the spoiler is my vote. :thumbsup:

skatinjay27

10-28-2008, 07:41 PM

wow im surprised how much differnt the spoiler actually makes!!!
now go get some more bolts and put it on for good!!!
and if you dont use the braces dont plan to go over 130mph lol

BBC69Camaro

10-28-2008, 09:22 PM

Keep the front spoiler :thumbsup:

Vegas69

10-28-2008, 10:20 PM

Definitely going on :yes:

Spiffav8

10-28-2008, 10:28 PM

Spoiler looks good...it's a keeper.

I'll give you a call tomorrow. Sounds like we have the same plan for Saturday. I say we roll together in style. Looks to be my last weekend with the car so I'd like to make it count!!

Vegas69

10-28-2008, 10:34 PM

There is a car show Saturday morning in Henderson I have been invited to, you should come along. Give me a call.

awr68

10-28-2008, 10:39 PM

Spoiler! :yes:

Lenie

10-29-2008, 12:14 AM

Spoiler.

Payton King

10-29-2008, 08:05 AM

I like it on there much better and on yours as well. Makes it seem lower in the front.

I love your wheels. Are those DPE's or Forgelines, I cannot remember

Vegas69

10-29-2008, 08:16 AM

ZE Boost by Boze...I love em too:cheers:

Rybar

10-29-2008, 05:13 PM

Wow man, the car looks sick! I'd 100% put that spoiler on there. :thumbsup:

Vegas69

10-29-2008, 06:09 PM

It's on for good:unibrow: Work ....what's that.

Vegas69

11-10-2008, 06:42 PM

Well the transmission is coming back out of my car. I have been fighting a vibration at highway speed in approx 85-95mph range. There has always been a vibration in the 2600-2800 rpm range in the motor. Wouldn't call it a bad vibration. In fact I rode passenger a few days ago and really didn't notice it around town. Just thought it was solid mounts/body mounts. In 1-4th gear it's really not that big a deal. In 5th more harmonics are transferred and it stays in the pocket longer. Orginally I thought it was pinion angle. Until I pushed in the clutch in the pocket and it went away. I was also able to go through that mph range in 4th and beyond with normal vibration.

When I had the engine built it went beyond schedule and they were impossible to reach for a couple months. They were supposed to send the flywheel I paid for. It didn't show and I couldn't wait. After a ton of research and talking with the engine builder. I have a gen vi block with a gen iV crankshaft. I assumed since they used a gen vi block that was the proper flywheel. Turns out you can use a gen iv crank with a adapter for the rear main seal. Keep in mind this is an external balance engine. After some research it appears the weight is in a slightly different place and the imbalance is 33 OZ in the gen iv and 41.7 in the gen v/vi. 8 oz is quite a bit a weight on the end of a crankshaft. I am surprised it only showed up between 2600-2800. I hope I haven't done any damage to my engine. :rolleyes: Would have been nice for them to put something in my paperwork indicating this little fact!!! Oh well....time will tell.

See the difference?
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68protouring454

11-10-2008, 06:50 PM

any reason with all your engine work done, your builder did not internally balance the motor? on the 496 i built for vinny, it balanced very easy with taking weight out.
hope everything's ok

ProdigyCustoms

11-10-2008, 06:59 PM

That is exactly what I was trying to explian. They are a few grams different and different location. Hope this fixes you, it sounded like it was a few grams out. I doubt you hurt the motor though.

Car looked killer BTW, Appreciate you bring it out to the party. People we GaGa over it. But I missed that ride.

Next Year!

Vegas69

11-10-2008, 09:12 PM

I don't know why they external balance the 489. In my research most of the cast cranks are external balance in 4.25 stroke. I assume it's much easier to just balance the bob weights and use external balanced flywheel/balancer. I am very impressed with the engine as far as performance goes. I caught them during some growing pains and now paying the price for it. The rear main seal also has a small drip. I might as well dig in while I'm there. Now that I know it's two peice I get to pull the oil pan as well. :censored:

Frank...you are correct that mcleod makes a separate flywheel for Gen VI 454 and 502. Mcleod said the counter balance weight is the same but the placement is slightly different. I never dreamed I had a gen iv crank in this motor. Thanks for the words about the car.

68protouring454

11-10-2008, 09:27 PM

i used scat 4130 crank and h beam end cap screw rods, 4.250 crank, 6.385 rod with wiseco forged piston.
the crank i got was external balance as well but there was a certain part number that was almost always too heavy and not light as its way cheaper to take weight out, then ass it.
hopefully you don't have any issues, the rear main will be fun enough. goodluck

Vegas69

11-13-2008, 09:16 PM

Three hours later and it's all apart. Probably a half hour on a hoist.:rolleyes:

Anyway here we go.

This is an interesting picture and what I believe to be the reason the improper flywheel didn't vibrate anywhere but that specific rpm range. The centerforce weights were definitely compensating.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1212.jpg

Vegas69

11-13-2008, 09:20 PM

The inside of the bellhousing has a ring around the inside. This is definitely throw out bearing grease.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1210.jpg

The clutch, flywheel, and pressure plate couldn't look better. No oil penetration.
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Vegas69

11-13-2008, 09:28 PM

After three days of crawling around on the garage floor, I got it back together. I went with the proper gen iv centerforce billet steel flywheel. Nice piece. Of course I then had to remove the shims from my starter nose due to about .060 difference in nose to ring gear clearance difference from gen iv to vi. I did buy a real metal clutch alignment tool for like 20 bucks. The tranny went in so easy. I had it up and in in less than 10 minutes. Best 20 bucks I ever spent.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1232.jpg

Well, it's smoother everywhere. But......I still have a vibration. Now it's only at 2800 rpm. Man is she a sweetheart everywhere else. I tried to feel a weight on the balancer but couldn't get my fingers in there. Next I need to verify it's got the correct balancer.

It gave me a chance to clean the bottom while I was under there. Changed the oil and it looked great, changed the tranny fluid and it looked fine as well. Seems things are breaking in nicely. Here are some photos of the bottom. Don't think I have posted many.

The guys at ATS did a fantastic job on my exhaust. Fits so nice and snug. Never has it touched anything in the road.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1234.jpg
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Vegas69

11-13-2008, 09:34 PM

It will look good for a couple weeks.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1237.jpg
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Vegas69

11-16-2008, 06:46 PM

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Spiffav8

11-16-2008, 07:13 PM

Still looks fairly clean....better get a few more miles on that sucker. :D

Flash68

11-16-2008, 07:14 PM

Looks good under there man!

waynieZ

11-16-2008, 07:24 PM

Hi Todd those headers firt very nice tucked way up. How did you make out with the interior guy?
Wayne

Vegas69

11-16-2008, 08:04 PM

She is pretty clean...plan on many more miles soon. :thumbsup: Next is the trunk carpet and box for my subwoofer. Then it's plug and play. Should have a really good sound system. Then I am on to finishing the interior. Back seat, rear panels, and AC/Heat. This flywheel deal put me behind.

Tom.A

11-16-2008, 09:50 PM

Todd,

Good to hear the vibration is better but it sucks it's not gone. I am sure the guy's a CC5S likely went over this but I was just thinking that you changed the sub frame mid-build and went with the DSE unit. Did you order your TKO kit prior to that? CC5S has two cross members for first gen camaro. Standard SBC and a big block which is offset. The BBC cross member would only apply if you either had a factory big block car or you changed the SBC engine stands to the BBC ones. Perhaps all this gets thrown out the window with an after market sub? Just thought I would mention that as you have widdled down all the other things that relate to this kind of issue.

Vegas69

11-17-2008, 07:41 AM

Thanks Tom....I actually ordered a small block crossmember. Due to my half height body bushings I had to make it a two piece design. It seems to be square.

Vegas69

11-23-2008, 09:40 PM

70 and sunny today...not a cloud in the sky. Polished her up and out to the middle of nowhere on the Arizona side of the lake. Broke the 1000 mile mark today and got a quick video. Road was not the best so I was taking it easy. I still can't get over just how nice it rides yet handles like my Corvette. :D

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/th_MVI_1254.jpg (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/?action=view&current=MVI_1254.flv)

Spiffav8

11-23-2008, 11:15 PM

Looks like fun! :yes:

tones2SS

11-24-2008, 07:32 AM

Looks good under there man!

I agree!!!!:thumbsup:

Vegas69

11-29-2008, 06:03 PM

Part of building these things is tuning and lot's of it. Built from scratch means tweaking this and that to get things optimal. I've had a tip in hesitation since day one, my plugs are burning a little fat, and my radiator recovery system needed some work.
With a MSD Pro Billet distributor you have no vacuum advance. With a large camshaft that means low vacuum at idle. To help with vacuum and signal to the carb you want as much intial timing as possible. The problem is as you increase intial you increase total. Today I pulled my distributor apart to find a 21 degree bushing and the heaviest springs MSD makes. Not optimal by any means. I replaced the bushing with the black 18 degree and used the blue springs. Now advance will come in 500 rpm sooner and I can add 3 degrees initial timing.
My engine was dyno tuned in NC. I am at 2500 ft elevation and in a drier climate. I have used formulas in the past to change jets on my quad. Basically I needed to jet down .002 front and back to 79/87.
I was using a catch can which would probably work for some. With the half height body bushings it does make your engine set higher in relation to the radiator. Basically what would happen is I would top it off and drive it, as the coolant expanded it would go in the catch can . Well after a few drives the coolant would get low enough it would get an air pocket in the intake at the sensor. No problem if I topped it off ever couple times. Now I have a recovery style resorvoir. It will pull the expanded coolant back as it cools like a new car.
So I rejetted and reset the float levels, adjusted the air mixture screws and added a few degrees of initial timing. Car has never run better or smoother. In fact it's helped my vibration at freeway speeds 85-95. The poly engine mounts go in next and that will eliminate almost all of that. Tip in heistation has vastly improved. Probably going to have to send in the metering blocks to get rid of it 100%. For now it's 100% better than before all the tweaking. All and all one of the best days of work yet. Just keeps getting better!
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1260.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1256.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_1259.jpg

awr68

11-29-2008, 07:38 PM

Good deal Todd! Post pics of your recovery style resorvoir plumbed.
Keep at it!! :thumbsup:

Vegas69

12-03-2008, 03:16 PM

skatinjay27

12-03-2008, 06:16 PM

Well it looks like I'll be without a car for 3-4 weeks. Dropping her off at www.findlaycustoms.com Monday to finish off the car from the front seats back. Back seat, rear quarter panels, sub box, trunk, probably tune the stereo and possibly recover the door panels, shorten the seat belts. Every time I walk out in the garage I turn the key instead of work on it. :D This stuff is out of my leauge anyway. It's going to suck to be without it but it's time to finish the car.did you do a good sale lately??;)
i got a pretty good idea what the bill is gonna be for that! lol
did you get the material for the rear seats? are they just gonna cover stock one on go crazy with some customs. its gonna be killer they work is top notch, cant wait to see it todd. be sure to call me when it done so i can come see it!

Vegas69

12-03-2008, 06:50 PM

It should be interesting. I like Joe down there and I think he will do me right. Nothing to crazy, just want it finished out on the level the rest of the car is on. Could I experiment with materials and boxes. Sure....but at the end of the day it needs to be done right and on par with everything else. I'm sure it won't be cheap!Thanks for reminding me. I'm in Real Estate it's been good but not that good. :D It will be the sparco material on the back seat and possibly some inlays in the side panels depending on how hard they hit my wallet on the rest. Definitely give you a call when it's done....I need to back up all the smack talk about the DSE frame anyway. One run through the twisties and you will be sold buddy.

GvEman

12-08-2008, 04:26 AM

Your '69 is pure sex!! I love the collor theme with black and brushed alloy, Thats what I am runing on my 4gen with touches of reed.

Keep it coming! :cheers:

Vegas69

12-08-2008, 06:13 PM

skatinjay27

12-08-2008, 06:58 PM

Thank you sir... Well the garage is empty. I dropped off the car at the shop this morning. Curtis and I took the cars out Saturday and gave them hell out in the twisties. It's gonna suck not having it for a month!
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Shop.jpg
huh??? curtis still has the car? i thought he found a buyer.

awr68

12-08-2008, 07:33 PM

huh??? curtis still has the car? i thought he found a buyer.

That's what he thought! Sad how many people waste your time, get your hopes up, and then don't buy the car. I think he's gone threw this three times now with this car! :(

Todd the month will fly by and it will be home before you know it! And it will be finished! :thumbsup:

bigtyme1

12-08-2008, 07:58 PM

I like the way they did the dash on Criss Angel's Camaro. turned out pretty cool.

skatinjay27

12-08-2008, 08:16 PM

I like the way they did the dash on Criss Angel's Camaro. turned out pretty cool.
did you like the hood too! lol

Vegas69

12-08-2008, 08:20 PM

skatinjay27

12-08-2008, 09:27 PM

They weren't responsible for all the Criss Angel stuff. The work they did on theh truck and riviera is tits. I thought it was Curtis in a red 1967 Camaro. I lost him in my rear view mirror on the way to Callville bay, I guess it could have been someone else.:rofl: :rofl: :cheers:lol thats funny stuff.

yea ive seen the riv. and the truck at C&C and a few shows...
both are the shiz!!!! the riv. is super bad ass with a classy look and the truck is just INSANE!

GvEman

12-09-2008, 04:24 AM

..It's gonna suck not having it for a month!

For a month! You lucky bastard;) I cant drive my car for 6-7 moths now.. And that just because of the damn winter!! I Have it in my garage, but i dont have the founds to do that mutch to it right now.

What was it the shop was about to do on it? Gues i have to read upp beter right ;) :cheers:

DOOM

12-09-2008, 07:48 AM

huh??? curtis still has the car? i thought he found a buyer.

People love to waste your time!! I go through this crap every day .. Curtis will find a buyer for the Camaro and thet person will have a nice ride!!
Mario

98ssnova

12-10-2008, 08:12 PM

Thank you sir... Well the garage is empty. I dropped off the car at the shop this morning. Curtis and I took the cars out Saturday and gave them hell out in the twisties. It's gonna suck not having it for a month!
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/Shop.jpg

Hey Todd I was out with Curtis on Saturday. Man that car hauls some serious A$$ threw the twisties. And the DSE suspension is a cut above. Congrats on the cars getting finished:thumbsup:

Vegas69

12-10-2008, 08:45 PM

Thanks buddy.....that was a blast:cheers:

Vegas69

01-02-2009, 05:12 PM

It's been a while but I have a pretty exciting update. Got back from Christmas vacation to some awesome progress. I really like the direction they are going. He had the panel done that fits over the amp and the rear package tray but didn't get any photos. They said it sounds great ...but the battery was out. Really looking forward to them working the back seat. Findlay Customs has some talent. Check it out.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/001.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/003.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/006.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/007.jpg

DOOM

01-02-2009, 05:21 PM

She's lookin good Todd!!!!:thumbsup: How soon will you have it back???
Mario

Vegas69

01-02-2009, 06:45 PM

Thanks buddy....I would expect within a month. After seeing the quality they can take their time. Takes the car up another notch honestly.

skatinjay27

01-02-2009, 07:22 PM

sweet!!!
thats so kick ass that they even put a tuned port right there on the package tray for the sub, i bet it sounds awesome!
cant wait to see it bud.

did they put the dynamat on there? cause i thought you used second skin on the whole car...

Flash68

01-02-2009, 07:44 PM

Damn, thats lookin good. You are right - that's taking the car to another level! :D

Vegas69

01-02-2009, 09:31 PM

Yep....I didn't even figure out the port deal.:rofl: The rear package tray and roll bar pieces were pure art in themselves. It's getting some type of suede over it. What are you trying to say flash.:D
The best part of the whole deal is there is a $450,00 Mercedes SL Mclaren blah blah in the shop across the way. Joe the manager said everyone that walks in the shop hasn't even noticed it. They walk right to that old American iron!:D

Flash68

01-02-2009, 10:07 PM

What are you trying to say flash.:D

I am saying you should help me spend more money I don't have on my car. :lol:

Ringbrothers

01-02-2009, 10:09 PM

I like to hear the history behind the build! It makes the car have a personality - does that even make sense?
The guys would probably want to kill me for saying something like that.
Staci

Vegas69

01-02-2009, 10:19 PM

Flash...you are barking up the wrong tree buddy.

Staci....thanks...I think it's important for us garage builds to help eachother out. I have a big ego but this is my first big rodeo. Others have helped me with ideas so I hope to do the same. By the way..I met Mike at Sema. Reall cool down to earth guy. Your killer builds and the nature of your workers...it's no wonder your at the top of the heap.

Flash68

01-02-2009, 10:30 PM

Flash...you are barking up the wrong tree buddy.

Ha. You know how it works on here. Everytime someone sees something slick on a car they want it too.

I have committed to no stereo and no A/C for now. But those things can obviously be added later without going backwards or redoing stuff.

Vegas69

01-02-2009, 10:42 PM

Flash68

01-02-2009, 10:55 PM

That's the disadvantage of a drug out build. :_paranoid Glad it happened to me as well. You are going to want tunes man. I'm 56 songs deep into my IPOD since yesterday in anticipation.

Yeah I hear ya. I know I am just gonna wanna listen to the motor and exhaust for quite a while at first... and since I won't be storing the car where I live, I won't get to drive it as much as I like, so I will be craving the loudness of the car itself when I do drive it.

600 hp, race car handling, twistie road, and some AC/DC. Hell yes.

Substitute some Tool in there and I am lovin it. :thumbsup:

waynieZ

01-02-2009, 10:59 PM

Rock on Todd! It looks like its going well.:thumbsup:

Vegas69

01-06-2009, 03:59 PM

I got to hear the stereo today. Sounds so clean and good!!! Here is the piece for the rear deck. It will be covered in suede and conceal the speakers and port. The rear seat frame is fit as well.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/001-1.jpg

tones2SS

01-07-2009, 06:22 AM

Vegas69

02-05-2009, 06:12 PM

I almost forgot I owned a Camaro it's been in interior jail so long:D Seriously though Findlay Customs is kicking some real tail on my car. They hope to have it ready for pick up tomorrow!:woot: Here are some photos just to tease. The next time you see an update I will be revealing the whole car complete! It will be a few weeks. Once I have it back, I need to detail it big time and slap the glove box and ash tray in it. Then out for many photos.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/003-1.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/006-1.jpg

Vegas69

02-05-2009, 06:15 PM

Suede back dash concealing my port and speakers and tidy foam work.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/005-1.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/007-1.jpg

Spiffav8

02-05-2009, 07:49 PM

Looks great! :thumbsup:

awr68

02-05-2009, 10:08 PM

Looks great! :thumbsup:

X2!! :thumbsup:

skatinjay27

02-05-2009, 11:55 PM

im speechless!!! so heres a smiley translation for how i feel! :drool: :rockin: :_party: :beavis: :cheering:

i would LOVE to help ya button everything up on the car this weekend...
haven't been motivated to work on my car but been jonesin for some garage fun time!
call me dood.

DOOM

02-06-2009, 08:36 AM

Lookin good Todd!!!!!!! Like the rear seat

Vegas69

02-06-2009, 09:25 AM

im speechless!!! so heres a smiley translation for how i feel!

i would LOVE to help ya button everything up on the car this weekend...
haven't been motivated to work on my car but been jonesin for some garage fun time!
call me dood.
I could use the help...all subject to getting the car back. I'll call ya if it's done and I don't have to sweep floors for a month to pay the tab.:rofl:

mdprovee

02-06-2009, 10:10 AM

Looks great, I really like the materials.

waynieZ

02-06-2009, 09:41 PM

Looking Sweet Todd !

Flash68

02-06-2009, 09:53 PM

Wow you're not messin around with that interior! :thumbsup:

Spiffav8

02-06-2009, 10:36 PM

I could use the help...all subject to getting the car back. I'll call ya if it's done and I don't have to sweep floors for a month to pay the tab.:rofl:

Count me in! :thumbsup:

Vegas69

02-07-2009, 12:18 AM

Thanks boys...it turned out kick aise!!! I beat her a little. It's hard to find a place to open it up around here without getting out of town. It's much quieter and the sound system is fantstic.:cheers:

Vegas69

02-17-2009, 10:58 PM

Put her up on jack stands last night since the weather has sucked the last few days for a shake down. 1500 miles and I just wanted to look everything over underneath since it's all brand new. I decided to change the rear end grease as a precautionary measure. I had some gear oil coming out the vent and found that it was slightly overfull. I didn't have a 5/8 allen when I filled it originally and eyeballed it from the cover plug. Fluid looked good with no red flags. I have already swapped the tranny fluid and engine oil and both looked fine. I found the rear e brake cables a tad tight since the ride height is lower than when I set it up. It would have been really tight under full throttle.:_paranoid I adjusted them and they have plenty of give now. I also put in the factory clutch pedal bumper to lower the clutch pedal positioin and adjusted the pedal travel. I had used a rubber grommet since I didn't have the part. Feels really good and more comfortable with the lower pedal height. I did a bolt check on the undercarriage and looked for leaks. The only leak is the rear main seal drip. Not happy about that but I am happy with the power and everything else. I didn't assemble it and it's more of an annoyance than anything. It's not all over anything underneath so I should be ok unless it gets worse. I also tweaked a plug wire that I had replaced since the build that got burn't since I ran them under the headers. (What a pain in the aise) All and all very pleased. I'll take apart my 8 micron fuel filter one of these days to check for debris. I also need to work on my fuel venting. At a full tank it does overflow out the vent for a short time which I know others are fighting with Ricks tanks. I need to figure out a discriminating valve set up or something. I don't want to breach the trunk since it's so damn pretty now:D Next are the photos I've been promising. I have a killer camera and the rest of the week is 60's and sunny. Should have some good stuff coming very soon. Shes a beast and a blast to drive.

tones2SS

02-18-2009, 06:15 AM

That's awesome. I look forward to the pictures.
She looks like an awesome car to drive.:thumbsup: :cheers:

mdprovee

02-18-2009, 07:46 AM

Sounds like you have had a blast driving the car, and it is only getting better. Can't wait for the pictures.

Vegas69

03-01-2009, 09:15 PM

Woke up to a beautiful day with 70's and no wind. Scott was kind enough to feature my car this month. Went and had lunch at the hot rod grill, drove out to Calville bay, around the lake, up through Boulder City. Just had a fantastic cruise. Started to pick up a misfire around the lake. Well about a mile outside of boulder she died on me. Checked everything to no avail. Figured out I had no spark. I noticed when it died the tach was all over the map. An hour later the flat bed showed up and I get her home. Checked spark at the coil and no dice. Had a feeling the distributor gear was sheared. Pulled the cap and the rotor wasn't moving. Here is what I found. What do you want to bet it should have a melonized gear. Love to ring that engine builders neck:D
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/011.jpg

Vegas69

03-01-2009, 09:23 PM

Checked and it was supposed to have a cast iron gear according to Crane Cams. Could be worse! Love the performance of the motor but they really dropped the ball here.

Flash68

03-01-2009, 09:25 PM

That sucks dude.

This kinda eerily reminds me of that old jinx of whoever was on the new Madden NFL video game for the year got hurt that year.

Vegas69

03-01-2009, 09:30 PM

Naaaah...just human error. Glad it wan't mine.:cheers:

Spiffav8

03-01-2009, 10:34 PM

It always sucks to se you baby on the back of a tow truck! At least it wasn't worse!!

zbugger

03-01-2009, 10:43 PM

It's the little things like this that keep this hobby exciting. Fun huh? lol...

Vegas69

03-03-2009, 07:51 AM

I've decided to go with the GM melonized gear. That is what GM recommends for there cast rollers. Mine has a cast gear so it should give me the longevity I want.

I added my video to the feature, here it is.
http://www.screencast.com/t/3SxDUi0j

tones2SS

03-03-2009, 08:58 AM

Awesome video.
Car looks killer!!! Sounds great too.:thumbsup: :cheers:

MWCC

03-03-2009, 06:15 PM

AWESOME CAR AND AWESOME JOB TODD!!

It's nice to see that your dream car is finally a reality. As a builder and lifelong Camaro guy, I know these builds take time. Of the many Camaro's I've owned over the years, each one always gives me new ideas. What you've incorporated here is just incredible. It can sometimes be difficult for an idea to come to life as it can somewhat get lost in translation and other people sometimes have ideas that can cloud the owners (your) true vision. Your attention to detail is top notch and you stayed the course with the car you've had in your head all these years. As with all builds, there were hiccups along the way and you've found that parts are not always what they should be. As a builder, those little gremlins drive me nuts.

It's good to see someone who doesn't build these cars for a living go through the process. I've had several customers help-out with their own projects over the years and they all tell me afterwards that they never had any idea that these cars required so much work. Some of the shows on the tube give people the impression that these cars can be done in a week. So many things can happen along the way that are out of your control and all you can do is try to rectify the situation. As a builder, that can be tough to explain to a customer since they only see it as a delay. You worked through your issues and ended up with an INCREDIBLE CAMARO. Congrats on the "Car of the month" award, you deserve it.

When I finally get my butt out to LasVegas, I would like to come bye and see that "Beast" you built.

P.S. My wife saw the pictures and loves the Camaro. Her exact words were "WOW, that's beautiful" :thumbsup:

Vegas69

03-04-2009, 05:54 PM

Nick, your tact never ceases to amaze me. I really appreciate the comments. You are absolutely right about the difficulty of making these cars happen. Especially when you cross over into the custom territory. It's also one thing to have a vision and another for it to look good and function as intended. I spent countless hours hiding everything I could, covering bare wires and routing them together. Thanks for finding this outstanding car for me. That was a huge peice of the puzzle. That car you built for the California kid is what got my wheels spinning again. I'd be happy to take you for a spin when you make it out.

waynieZ

03-04-2009, 07:28 PM

Hi Todd just saw the video, Nice! You did a nice job on it. Your car looks great I like the seats .
Wayne

mdprovee

03-04-2009, 10:15 PM

Nice job on the video, and even better job on the car. Congrats on the monthly feature.

GvEman

03-05-2009, 01:53 AM

Realy nice video! I am in love with your ride! :lol:

Vegas69

03-10-2009, 09:00 PM

Appreciate it:cheers: I am posting this more in an attempt to help someone else not get stranded on the side of the road. As I posted on the last page I sheared my distributor gear last weekend at about the 1600 mile mark. The engine was built and dyno tuned by a Nascar engine builder. The performance has always been excellent. I did start to notice a little drop off in power the last few times I drove it before the failure(including the video footage) I had needed to turn up the idle due to low idle not long ago as well. It all ads up now. I hadn't timed the car in quite some time. With the distributor gear wear I bet I lost 5-10 degrees of timing. Anyway....after doing my research and reviewing my engine file I determined that my billet hydraulic roller cam had a pressed on cast iron distributor gear. That is a great thing, but the engine builder used a bronze gear.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/121-8471.jpg
It's basically an aluminized brass gear made for billet steel cams without a pressed on cast gear. It's also used frequently by the drag guys. It's absolutely not meant for the street especially on a cast gear.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/121-8561_2.jpg
This is the correct gear for my application. It's a GM melonized cast iron distributor gear. It should give me the reliability we all need for the street. It comes on most GM hei's and so forth.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/020.jpg
I cut open my last two oil filters and strangly enough the last one had very little debris where the one before had a decent amount of brass. It looks like the oil filter did a great job of catching the wear. I had changed it 4 times in the 1600 miles.

Vegas69

03-10-2009, 09:08 PM

I was a little pissed that the builder put in the wrong gear. Of course there is a possibility of some bearing damage. After many calls and an email he finally called me. He swore my engine had a steel gear and needed the bronze gear. Until I told him which camshaft it had. He admitted they let it get past them and it was there fault. He also said he thought I would be fine but he would stand behind the motor if I have a failure. I changed the oil again and dumped a couple quarts to flush out any debris.
While I was messing around changing the distributor gear and retiming the engine, I decided to fix a seap around the crancase ventilation fitting that started in the last 200 miles.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/001-2.jpg
Gotta love a big block with the valve covers off with a set of dart pro 1 heads and comp rollers.
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/Payback1969/IMG_0524.jpg
Hear is the fitting that dribbled. I used a dab of blue loctite on the threads.(Suck it the inside fell onto the rockers at 6k) and used some silcone on the washer. Should do it.

Timed her at 36 total and 18 degree intial and went for a 80 mile road test.:D :D Never run better! Car is ****** sick.

Spiffav8

03-10-2009, 11:45 PM

I need a fix. Think you can hook me up one of these weekends? :unibrow:

Flash68

03-11-2009, 12:41 AM

Damn dude. I know your engine builder puts out a ton of crate motors, but that is unacceptable. He damn well better stand behind the motor if it fails.

Glad it's running at its best now. Nice work.

mdprovee

03-11-2009, 07:18 AM

Glad you got it running, and even running better. Nice to have the builder stand behind what happened.

Vegas69

03-11-2009, 08:39 AM

I need a fix. Think you can hook me up one of these weekends? :unibrow:

Absolutely...I've never heard anyone complain about the performance of his engines. When it comes to getting an engine when promised or getting a call back, that is a different story. I'll change the oil in another 500 miles. That will tell the story. I was joking around saying I'd just turn it into a 540 if it needs to come apart. I can use my crank and rods.:D Just would need a block and some pistons. Injected all aluminum big block...my wallet is chapped just thinking about it. :_paranoid

Spiffav8

03-11-2009, 09:01 AM

Absolutely...I've never heard anyone complain about the performance of his engines. When it comes to getting an engine when promised or getting a call back, that is a different story. I'll change the oil in another 500 miles. That will tell the story. I was joking around saying I'd just turn it into a 540 if it needs to come apart. I can use my crank and rods.:D Just would need a block and some pistons. Injected all aluminum big block...my wallet is chapped just thinking about it. :_paranoid

You've got a winner under the hood for sure! Nice to know the builder stands behind his work. Absolutely love the sound of that sucker!!! Now I just need a ride...we need to cruise.

Vegas69

03-11-2009, 09:12 AM

Possibility of Friday afternoon or Sat morning. How you looking?

Spiffav8

03-11-2009, 10:52 AM

Possibility of Friday afternoon or Sat morning. How you looking?

Can't do Friday, wife is taking me out for my B-Day. But Saturday morning would work. What time?

waynieZ

03-11-2009, 02:32 PM

You guys are killing me here ,talking about going for rides :drool:

Vegas69

03-11-2009, 03:36 PM

Can't do Friday, wife is taking me out for my B-Day. But Saturday morning would work. What time?

Happy B day man...9 or so works for me.

skatinjay27

03-11-2009, 06:48 PM

glad to hear they fixed ya up bud!

theres a meet sunday evening, if your interested check the board for info.

Spiffav8

03-11-2009, 11:04 PM

Happy B day man...9 or so works for me.

Laurie says I can't go Sat. How's about I give you a call Sunday or Monday and we work out a time.

Vegas69

03-14-2009, 12:07 AM

Laurie says I can't go Sat. How's about I give you a call Sunday or Monday and we work out a time.

Bigger man than me admitting that in public.:D Sounds good man..

98ssnova

03-14-2009, 12:48 AM

Bigger man than me admitting that in public.:D Sounds good man..

Curtis is a softie we all know who wears the pants....:rofl: (all in good fun Curtis)

skatinjay27

03-14-2009, 01:33 AM

Curtis is a softie we all know who wears the pants....:rofl: (all in good fun Curtis)yea she even carrys his jewls in her purse!!!!:lol:

Vegas69

03-14-2009, 09:56 AM

Just wrong:rofl: :rofl:

69BlackBeauty

03-14-2009, 01:35 PM

Nick, your tact never ceases to amaze me. I really appreciate the comments...

Well, I have to agree with that... Todd, given the undeserved negative comments that you have dropped around the pro-touring and Camaro sites about your previous builder, it amazes me the class Nick has shown. His class and integrity are matched only by his skill as a builder (example pictured below).

BTW - and I agree, awesome looking car!

http://www.m-w-c-c.com/albums/69camaro_rs_protouring/(020)%20Reassembly/slides/camaro21_035.jpg

Vegas69

03-14-2009, 02:27 PM

I'm not sure how you can comment on that since you were not involved in our discussions and agreements Jeff. I did see your car under construction and never had any problems with the quality. I also sat down with him and his family and had dinner. I'm a pretty good judge of charachter and felt very good about them. We have exchanged emails and both agree it was a lack of experience on both of our parts. The delays on your car and him moving into a shop with more overhead changed things. As far as any negativity, I have never publicly mentioned a shops name. I have thanked him for finding the car I ended up using for my build. There are no hard feelings between us. We are square in every way. Thank you for the comments about my car.

skatinjay27

03-14-2009, 09:47 PM

Spiffav8

03-14-2009, 10:20 PM

yea she even carrys his jewls in her purse!!!!:lol:

You all can say whatever you want! You guys are fun to hang out with and all but she is my best friend. She took time off from work to spoiled me rotten all weekend. I might be dumb, but I'm not stupid.

Oh and Aj Laurie wanted me to remind you that your purse is still in our garage along with your pink pumps and lip gloss.

:lol:

Spiffav8

03-14-2009, 10:27 PM

i gotta get it on this and give my 2 cents...
did you really just join the board to stir some kind of drama in this thread and to post a pic of your or another car in his thread?

i must mention that i know todd on a personal level and have talked with him about the previous builder numerous times and even face to face just between me and him and he has never said anything malicious or negative about him or his shop. and has said many time to me that nick found him a GREAT car to start with.

i will say this though... payback would NOT be what it it today if todd didnt make the decision to pull it from that shop...not implying they werent up to par but bring the car to prodigy really seemed to give todd a second wind/ lite a big azz fire under his butt!

I have to second what Aj said. Todd has never said anything negative about the previous builder...or anyone else for that matter. To date he has been an outstanding friend and a willing contributor to LG. He is always willing to lend a hand to anyone.

If your looking to stir the pot or sling mud...this isn't the place and your not welcome here. If you need tech help or would like to join in with good people and have some fun, by all means please stay. Lord knows there's enough B.S. in the world...don't bring it here.

Flash68

03-14-2009, 10:37 PM

Well, I have to agree with that... Todd, given the undeserved negative comments that you have dropped around the pro-touring and Camaro sites about your previous builder, it amazes me the class Nick has shown. His class and integrity are matched only by his skill as a builder (example pictured below).

BTW - and I agree, awesome looking car!

Not a very high quality first post. :rolleyes:

Vegas69

03-15-2009, 01:18 AM

I really appreciate it guys...I thought about deleting the post but Jeff is passionate about Nick and I really can't fault him for that since I saw that in him as well. Circumstances just didn't play out in our favor. It happens in life and business. I'm good with it and so is Nick. We have both learned lessons that have benefited us both. That's all that matters really.

98ssnova

03-15-2009, 02:30 AM

68 blackbeauty please know what you are talking about because we do not take BS from nobody and if you don't the whole story then don't post. With only 1 post i would be very cautious how you tread. MODS please warn this guy. DRAMA is not welcome here the only reason I surf here is no drama and I love the cars. Sorry Todd this is a time when you and your car should be in the spotlight.

MWCC

03-15-2009, 10:29 AM

.........Circumstances just didn't play out in our favor. It happens in life and business. I'm good with it and so is Nick. We have both learned lessons that have benefited us both. That's all that matters really.

Well since my name is now being thrown in here, I figured I'd set the record straight. Todd is right. As with any business, you don't get every job and circumstances somtimes arrise that can change things. I had a big move that changed everything for me in a good way, but ended up costing me a customer in the process. That hurt on a personal level. There are shops out there that treat all their customers like a customer with a "screw you" attitude. I'm not one of those shops. I like to think of my customers as part of the family and try to develop a personal relationship with each one that carries on long after the project is finished. I like Todd and I am very happy he has the car he always dreamed of building. I have spoken with Todd many times since we've met and he and I are totally cool with everything. I'm a car guy like all of us and it would have killed me if Todd lost interest in his build over changes on my end. Prodigy does totally awesome work as we've all seen. Todd and I have learned a lot since we've met and as I've said previously, his car is FRIGGEN AWESOME!!!.

I'm glad I was able to find him such a solid base to build on and will take him up on his offer for a ride when I get my butt out to Vegas.