69 Camaro Project - Dead Pool

[intocarss]

Nice Ronny

WOW can't believe Russ Brown is still up at the RS.. COOL

[tones2SS]

Nice to see the car out and about Ron.
Glad you are enjoying it sir! :thumbsup:

[WSSix]

Nice to see the car out and about Ron.
Glad you are enjoying it sir! :thumbsup:

x2. Looks great, Ron.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Not your typical pic here, it's lacking the noir that only a cell phone pic can offer, but still not bad...

:D


Pic courtesy of ADiCarlo

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=556079&postcount=12

[LS7 Z/28]

Looks awesome, very cool to see it out in the wild and not stuck in a shop.

[CURVES]

Definitely worth the wait!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Just guessin this is Ron's car.

Usually I'm able to identify a ride by it's wheels...


:ohsnap:


:hello: ?

[Ron in SoCal]

Skip, Casey, Scott, AD for the pics...thanks fellas! Posting from the road today...

I have about 250 miles on the car now. Finally figured out but have not fixed the steering problem. I got a little too fancy for my own good on that one :D

I took the car down to USCS Fontana on Saturday for a few hours. Great to see everyone and the car drove great. Man I wish I was out there though! Getting very close to its first track day. I also mounted my GoPro inside, so next trip out I'll get some in car vid :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

Just guessin this is Ron's car.

Usually I'm able to identify a ride by it's wheels...


:ohsnap:


:hello: ?

Really, because I'm usually able to identify a ride by its jackstands. :lol:

[Lenie]

Really, because I'm usually able to identify a ride by its jackstands. :lol:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Now that's funny Matt! Ron, the car's looking outstanding. Can't wait to see it in person, congrats! :cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Skip, Casey, Scott, AD for the pics...thanks fellas! Posting from the road today...

I have about 250 miles on the car now. Finally figured out but have not fixed the steering problem. I got a little too fancy for my own good on that one :D

I took the car down to USCS Fontana on Saturday for a few hours. Great to see everyone and the car drove great. Man I wish I was out there though! Getting very close to its first track day. I also mounted my GoPro inside, so next trip out I'll get some in car vid :cheers:

What's wrong with the steering? Wheel clocking or other?

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

What's wrong with the steering? Wheel clocking or other?

Other..... *Hint* the problem is sitting aft of the wheel.:slingshot:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Really, because I'm usually able to identify a ride by its jackstands. :lol:

#welp

:tv_happy:

[Ron in SoCal]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Now that's funny Matt! Ron, the car's looking outstanding. Can't wait to see it in person, congrats! :cheers:

Thanks Lenie! I'll be doing lots of NorCal stuff and hopefully you can come on down :thumbsup:

What's wrong with the steering? Wheel clocking or other?

Yep Vin, that's what I was calling you about. It's a combo-cluster of steering stops, tie rod adjustment and PS resi to cooler height. I'll get it fixed!

Other..... *Hint* the problem is sitting aft of the wheel.:slingshot:

Yep OBWK, it's that wing nut behind the wheel :D

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yep Vin, that's what I was calling you about. It's a combo-cluster of steering stops, tie rod adjustment and PS resi to cooler height. I'll get it fixed!





C5 spindles....make an adjustable steering stop. easy, unless your steering arms are hitting, then not so easy.

Front steer so if your wheel is left 1/8" and steers straight...mark your tie rod sleeve with white out....make the left 1/2 turn longer, make the right side 1/2 turn shorter. Fine tune it but do not change the difference in relation to each other. You are going straight. Easy, if you take your time and remember what you do.

Cooler is on the return right? Are you getting aeration? Ideally, the reservoir should be the highest point to trap and release air. Are you certain the hoses are on correctly. Matt can attest to that.

[Greg from Aus]

I don't see what the problem is Ron, steer by rear, steer by rear :slingshot:

[Flash68]

Is this thing on the road? :headscratch:

[tmadden]

Not your typical pic here, it's lacking the noir that only a cell phone pic can offer, but still not bad...

:D


Pic courtesy of ADiCarlo

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=556079&postcount=12

Bro that looks great!!!!

[Vegas69]

Is this thing on the road? :headscratch:

Back at BOS, somebody sneezed on it at the car show.

[Ron in SoCal]

I don't see what the problem is Ron, steer by rear, steer by rear :slingshot:

Doesn't that require a propeller? :tiptoe:

Bro that looks great!!!!

Thx man :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Is this thing on the road? :headscratch:

Back at BOS, somebody sneezed on it at the car show.

^ Brothers from another mother :ohsnap:

Found this on FB

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/USCSfontana_zps1ea4f9bc.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/USCSfontana_zps1ea4f9bc.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Why would you need tools???

[Greg from Aus]

Doesn't that require a propeller? :tiptoe:


Lucky my cars not over there or it would FLY BY YOU. :Tomcat:

[Track Junky]

Thats a great FB pic Ron. Probly Fontana? Good Times :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Why would you need tools???

I hear they make a pretty nifty air pressure gauge :D


Lucky my cars not over there or it would FLY BY YOU. :Tomcat:

Just like a Mazda? Zoom Zoom? :lol:

Thats a great FB pic Ron. Probly Fontana? Good Times :thumbsup:

Thanks Gae! Where's the track vid from last weekend? :cheers:

[syborg tt]

Thats a great FB pic Ron. Probly Fontana? Good Times :thumbsup:

Facebook - man you must be a close friend. How do I become facebook friends ?

[Ron in SoCal]

Facebook - man you must be a close friend. How do I become facebook friends ?

Keep your dinner commitments? :headscratch: :D

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It's the little things.

[Rick D]

Facebook - man you must be a close friend. How do I become facebook friends ?

Keep your dinner commitments? :headscratch: :D

Ouch, but I didn't make it either and I'm FB friends with Ron :headspin: :poke:

But Marty did give us over 900 pictures of the power tour!! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Lucky my cars not over there or it would FLY BY YOU. :Tomcat:

Not hard to do when you're dealing with "Pro Neutral" over here.... :headspin:

[Sieg]

Not hard to do when you're dealing with "Pro Neutral" over here.... :headspin:

Uh, that would require a driveline. :sieg:

[Flash68]

Uh, that would require a driveline. :sieg:

Um... from the pics posted recently Ron should certainly have a driveline. :sieg: :sieg:

[Ron in SoCal]

Feel better now Dave? :sieg: :D

[syborg tt]

Ouch, but I didn't make it either and I'm FB friends with Ron :headspin: :poke:

But Marty did give us over 900 pictures of the power tour!! :thumbsup:

I wish I would have taken more I missed the GM Monte Carlo which was bad ass. You should have seen that thing cruising down the road - Wow it's as impressive as the new z28

[GregWeld]

I go on a little road trip..... And miss so much!! When did Dave get a driveline? And why so early in the build??




Is DP still running? It's been a week or so? I did see Dick at the roadster show but forgot to ask him. LOL

[Ron in SoCal]

I wish I would have taken more I missed the GM Monte Carlo which was bad ass. You should have seen that thing cruising down the road - Wow it's as impressive as the new z28

Awesome pics Marty!

I go on a little road trip..... And miss so much!! When did Dave get a driveline? And why so early in the build??

Nope. Still in the jackstand class. :underchair:

Is DP still running? It's been a week or so? I did see Dick at the roadster show but forgot to ask him. LOL

Yep, still running. Almost time for a teardown and rebuild though :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

So I was yapping with Matt on the phone Saturday night and he asked if I wanted to join him at Fontana for the Hotchkis NMCA AutoX. There's so much to do on the car before I start running on the track I turned him down and hung up a few minutes later.

I thought about that for about two minutes and dialed him back and said I'll seeya there! What could go wrong? :lol:

We met up at about 8:am and set up. The PS steering assist was still very erratic, along with being notchy and slow to respond so we jacked up the car, unbolted the cooler and pulled a bunch of parts out of the way to get it to lay sideways and zip tied it to the core support and sub. We then yanked out 5 degrees of steering stops and called it good.

Sidebar - Fontana was rocking today. Exotic cars in one section, sports cars running the big track, karts on another and drag racing plus our AutoX. Pure awesome. The NMCA racer crowd is loaded with very cool people and the Hotchkis hosts couldn't be more accommodating.

Anyway, we finished wrenching about the time the drivers meeting started. Then they launched the run groups. Matt was a co-driver for a few sessions in a different run group and we tried to tune as we went.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0991_zps98c2330f.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0991_zps98c2330f.jpg.html)

The course was pretty technical for the first 3/4 with a slalom and chicago box right before the finish line. I found the car to be very touchy on the throttle and real tight. I had spoken to Ron Sutton the night before and he gave me a few tips and a shock tuning guide. Then right after lunch Ron gave me a call for some refinement tips. Thanks Ron, you're the man!

As far as results, I learned a bunch today. First, AutoX is a tough sport, Second, I suck at it (four DNFs?). Third, Matt is very good! Matt's third run in both my and his car put him in third place for most if not the whole day (two diff classes). Matt sacrificed his track improvement runs to help with my car. If I didn't say it enough, thanks again Matt! :cheers: Also, the car and driver have a long way to go but it'll get there. I ended up taking about four seconds off my time during the day and about two seconds behind Matt (35.8 vs, 37.6), which is a mile in AutoX. Oh, and I see the merits of a quicker rack and 15" steering wheel.

XoDKEOSl0PE&

All in all a great day. Probably the second most fun thing you can do in your car! :D

[intocarss]

Cool Beans Ron :gitrdun:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ron,

Not exactly the kill story we've been led to believe would be forthcoming, but all in all it was a good first test 'for us'.


:ohsnap:


...the Rontourage got a little too 'involved'.


:tiptoe:

[SSLance]

And another conehead is born!!

Be careful Ron, it is addicting... Glad to see you made it out and are driving the car like it was built to be driven.

[ccracin]

That's awesome Ron. Just remember, all the wrenching now is making it better, not making it a car! :)

[Sieg]

Good decision Ron :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Answer the question.... did the zip ties help with the notchy steering issue...



Did you find the car pushing or oversteering? And were you able to dial it differently?


Matt changes or rebuilds his motors after every autoX - will you get more than one weekend out of yours?

[Ron in SoCal]

Cool Beans Ron :gitrdun:

Thx JD!

And another conehead is born!!

Be careful Ron, it is addicting... Glad to see you made it out and are driving the car like it was built to be driven.

It is an addiction. So fun Lance! :thumbsup:

That's awesome Ron. Just remember, all the wrenching now is making it better, not making it a car! :)

I know Chad! The car part lasted 300 miles. Now it's zip ties and car parts in my travel bag (the tool box was full, lol).

Good decision Ron :thumbsup:

Thx Scotty. I couldn't resist! :D

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Cool!

I'm glad you were able to get it out and run it through it's paces a bit!

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130514034815/plantsvszombies/images/4/47/Conehead_PVZA.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

Answer the question.... did the zip ties help with the notchy steering issue...

Sort of. Notchy did not go away. It made the steering more PS assisted, but it still would fluctuate which is very frustrating, and on a big track not safe.

The way I'd describe it is you'd go into a turn, it was heavy than light or vice-versa. Then the car would be slow to turn, all the while moving forward/more tuning notes below, then it would react and sometimes SNAP and then I was left over correcting. It was very frustrating, but it's fresh and needs major sorting.

Did you find the car pushing or oversteering? And were you able to dial it differently?

Plowed like a MF'r. Snap over steer above and springs were too light in the rear so it squatted with little throttle input and lifted front wheel weight bias. Early in the day it just skating all over the place. We made three shock adjustments before lunch (maybe went the wrong way once) and disconnected the rear bar. One adjustment after which made the car steer better; by that I mean we dialed out traction in the rear so the front could do its job. Then the problem was it plowed to the point that the tire was rolling over on itself and really not steering. There was no trail braking on this course or with this set up.

Honestly, we could armchair quarterback the day for hours but really the car (and then my driving) needs sorting. Most new builds do.


Matt changes or rebuilds his motors after every autoX - will you get more than one weekend out of yours?

Well, at least the motor survived. That was the strongest thing going yesterday. :D


Ron,

Not exactly the kill story we've been led to believe would be forthcoming, but all in all it was a good first test 'for us'.


:ohsnap:


...the Rontourage got a little too 'involved'.


:tiptoe:

Quick story: there were lots of SCCA people there yesterday. One gal was named Rita. Rita has a C5, maroon paint and factory chrome wheels. She looks like your great aunt that's 15 years past retirement. She asked me to adjust her tire pressure between runs. I check her pressure and they're spot on for where she wanted them to be and she goes and busts out a 33.9. Next she has me take out 5lbs fr and 4 lbs rr. She pulls off a 33.4. Turns out she's been running SCCA for 40 years! (I could be wrong on the years, someone mentioned it)

I remember when BBalls was fresh and Mary drove it @ RTTC. It had a major push and they disconnected the rear bar, only to have mediocre results for the day.

Matt's been AutoX'ing his car for almost five years and gets almost as much seat time as anyone (almost). You look at all the top dogs and they're what, 10, 20 or 40 (Rita) years into it. That's a lot of seat and car set up time.

:drive:

[GregWeld]

#1 question.

Did you have fun? Who gives a sh!t about the rest of it. You learn - you try - sometimes you cry... at the end of the day if you can't remember what you did except that it was a blast... PERFECTION.


I've been saying for a very long time - but nobody listens to me..... Have one of the top drivers run your car thru 3 times.... That time is what you strive for if you do absolutely NOTHING to the car.... just fix the driver. When you get near their time -- now you start to tweak the car with some pro input.

Obviously this is a big picture look/statement. But if the car doesn't change and a good driver rips off 5 or 6 seconds faster than you're running... then there is 5 or 6 seconds in your driving that needs "work" if you do nothing to the car. The car might be a total piece of crap -- doesn't matter -- driving IT properly for the way it's set up is worth 5 or 6 seconds.

Of course getting it somewhere driving decently will also help you learn to be better.... so I'm not discounting the car set up. It's just interesting "bar" to set with a good driver at the wheel to see where you are at versus what's possible doing nothing at all. And they might get out of the car and tell you to do X. Just remember that X is for their driving style and not the guy parked two rows over that is just as fast but likes his car set up differently. Mike likes loose - Brian loves tight... I'd like to be able to drive anywhere within 10 seconds of either one. LOL

[GregWeld]

The power steering issue I'd be looking at -- belt slippage.... or air entrapment...

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

The power steering issue I'd be looking at -- belt slippage.... or air entrapment...


mmmmmm..... "Entrapment".....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iulVRvThLDI/UGLxhuGUJRI/AAAAAAAAMlU/NhjJsfW5lw4/s1600/entrapment-catherine-zeta-jones-butt-ass.jpg

[fleetus macmullitz]

That sounds like a full day Ron. :thumbsup:

Nice you have a job you can go back to and get some rest.


:D

[SSLance]

I've been saying for a very long time - but nobody listens to me..... Have one of the top drivers run your car thru 3 times.... That time is what you strive for if you do absolutely NOTHING to the car.... just fix the driver. When you get near their time -- now you start to tweak the car with some pro input.

Obviously this is a big picture look/statement. But if the car doesn't change and a good driver rips off 5 or 6 seconds faster than you're running... then there is 5 or 6 seconds in your driving that needs "work" if you do nothing to the car. The car might be a total piece of crap -- doesn't matter -- driving IT properly for the way it's set up is worth 5 or 6 seconds.



Sage advice Greg... I'm doing just that this coming Saturday. I'll be a student at the SCCA Solo Starting Line school taught by Evolution Performance driving instructors. I can't wait to see what they can do in my car on the course...then see how much they can teach me about getting more out of it.

[Matt@BOS]

The power steering issue I'd be looking at -- belt slippage.... or air entrapment...

I'm wondering if there is some air that just doesn't want to get out. Or, its possible that the pump isn't properly matched to the rack. The DSE racks like to see 1400psi pressures at (I believe) around 3.2 gallons per minute. Having the flow rating, but not the pressure might be responsible for the irregularity.

All in all, I think Ron should be pretty proud. Other than the steering issue, there weren't any other mechanical issues. It wasn't fun or easy to drive. It had understeer on corner entry, mid corner, on exit and in a straight line :lol: seriously, if you weren't conscious of unwinding the wheel, the car would plow through the straights with the wheel turned until a dab of brakes or a little too much throttle made it snap. Ron worked on driving around the cars weaknesses and did really well out there, especially for his first autocross!

[Ron in SoCal]

#1 question.

Did you have fun? Who gives a sh!t about the rest of it. You learn - you try - sometimes you cry... at the end of the day if you can't remember what you did except that it was a blast... PERFECTION.



All in all a great day. Probably the second most fun thing you can do in your car! :D

I was lovin' it all day! :thumbsup:

I couldn't agree more on your good drivers comment, Greg. :cheers:

The Wegner accy drive has pretty good belt wrap. Could be slippage but I'm gonna check the rack, pump, remount the cooler and see where that puts me.

[Flash68]

It wasn't fun or easy to drive. It had understeer on corner entry, mid corner, on exit and in a straight line :lol: seriously, if you weren't conscious of unwinding the wheel, the car would plow through the straights with the wheel turned until a dab of brakes or a little too much throttle made it snap.

Sounds like Ron built the perfect pro touring car based on proven recipes. :lmao:

:mock:

[FETorino]

Sounds like Ron built the perfect pro touring car based on proven recipes. :lmao:

:mock:

Yep 335/285 stagger hard at work. Form over function.


All in all, I think Ron should be pretty proud. Other than the steering issue, there weren't any other mechanical issues. It wasn't fun or easy to drive. It had understeer on corner entry, mid corner, on exit and in a straight line :lol: seriously, if you weren't conscious of unwinding the wheel, the car would plow through the straights with the wheel turned until a dab of brakes or a little too much throttle made it snap. Ron worked on driving around the cars weaknesses and did really well out there, especially for his first autocross!

Sounds like Ron did just fine.:trophy-1302:

Fix the steering issue and get some seat time in the thing. Then new rear inner hoops and a 315 tire will fix you right up.:mock:

[GregWeld]

Matt -- You may be on to something there with the flow and pressure. I've seen plenty of guys running GM pumps with Ford racks and then complain that they're steering is too light... well DOH! A simple orifice change and it's bada bing bada boom!


Generally just raising the front off the ground - open the cap on the reservoir - and running the rack lock to lock a few times is adequate bleeding... but with extra lines -- and coolers... you'd have to look for a "high" loop where maybe the air is trapped IDK.


I have power steering on the Muttstang -- and Charley doesn't on his... he's always worn out at the end of the day and mentions "me" having PS and him not. I think there's larger issues at work but WTF we're friends and I just accept his whining for what it is. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Track Junky]

So I was yapping with Matt on the phone Saturday night and he asked if I wanted to join him at Fontana for the Hotchkis NMCA AutoX. There's so much to do on the car before I start running on the track I turned him down and hung up a few minutes later.

I thought about that for about two minutes and dialed him back and said I'll seeya there! What could go wrong? :lol:

We met up at about 8:am and set up. The PS steering assist was still very erratic, along with being notchy and slow to respond so we jacked up the car, unbolted the cooler and pulled a bunch of parts out of the way to get it to lay sideways and zip tied it to the core support and sub. We then yanked out 5 degrees of steering stops and called it good.

Sidebar - Fontana was rocking today. Exotic cars in one section, sports cars running the big track, karts on another and drag racing plus our AutoX. Pure awesome. The NMCA racer crowd is loaded with very cool people and the Hotchkis hosts couldn't be more accommodating.

Anyway, we finished wrenching about the time the drivers meeting started. Then they launched the run groups. Matt was a co-driver for a few sessions in a different run group and we tried to tune as we went.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0991_zps98c2330f.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0991_zps98c2330f.jpg.html)

The course was pretty technical for the first 3/4 with a slalom and chicago box right before the finish line. I found the car to be very touchy on the throttle and real tight. I had spoken to Ron Sutton the night before and he gave me a few tips and a shock tuning guide. Then right after lunch Ron gave me a call for some refinement tips. Thanks Ron, you're the man!

As far as results, I learned a bunch today. First, AutoX is a tough sport, Second, I suck at it (four DNFs?). Third, Matt is very good! Matt's third run in both my and his car put him in third place for most if not the whole day (two diff classes). Matt sacrificed his track improvement runs to help with my car. If I didn't say it enough, thanks again Matt! :cheers: Also, the car and driver have a long way to go but it'll get there. I ended up taking about four seconds off my time during the day and about two seconds behind Matt (35.8 vs, 37.6), which is a mile in AutoX. Oh, and I see the merits of a quicker rack and 15" steering wheel.

XoDKEOSl0PE&

All in all a great day. Probably the second most fun thing you can do in your car! :D

Very cool Ron. Looks like you have graduated from the jack stand army. Welcome aboard. :thumbsup:

Now get ready for the sleepless nights trying to figure out how to improve car and driver :headspin:

[waynieZ]

That's awesome Ron! Glad to hear you had a good time.

[DaleTx]

Great to see you’re out there enjoying the car! The autocross video was good, but I’m looking forward to some high speed stuff to hear the 427 wound up :yes:

The car looks awesome.

[cterry69]

Hey Ron it was nice to meet you and figure out where I had seen your car before. lol.
Congrats on the cars maiden voyage at the track and your first time auto crossing. Once you get the car all dialed in, you will really enjoy auto crossing in it. Your car turned out great.

[69x22]

Cool!!!

[Flash68]

Joking aside for just a few minutes, it really is refreshing and long awaited to see Big Bad Ron post a video putting his 69 through the paces. Wish I coulda been there.

It's just the beginning. :cheers:

[ironworks]

I'm wondering if there is some air that just doesn't want to get out. Or, its possible that the pump isn't properly matched to the rack. The DSE racks like to see 1400psi pressures at (I believe) around 3.2 gallons per minute. Having the flow rating, but not the pressure might be responsible for the irregularity.

All in all, I think Ron should be pretty proud. Other than the steering issue, there weren't any other mechanical issues. It wasn't fun or easy to drive. It had understeer on corner entry, mid corner, on exit and in a straight line :lol: seriously, if you weren't conscious of unwinding the wheel, the car would plow through the straights with the wheel turned until a dab of brakes or a little too much throttle made it snap. Ron worked on driving around the cars weaknesses and did really well out there, especially for his first autocross!

Matt -- You may be on to something there with the flow and pressure. I've seen plenty of guys running GM pumps with Ford racks and then complain that they're steering is too light... well DOH! A simple orifice change and it's bada bing bada boom!


Generally just raising the front off the ground - open the cap on the reservoir - and running the rack lock to lock a few times is adequate bleeding... but with extra lines -- and coolers... you'd have to look for a "high" loop where maybe the air is trapped IDK.




I experienced a similar problem on the DSE rack on the Chevelle we just finished.

How long is the pressure hose from the pump to the rack? Make it as long as you can. What happens is that it's a rotary pump which is not constant displacement so the longer hose helps the small pressure surges that the pump creates to be come smoothed out in that longer hose. COMPRENDE?????

I was blown away at what that did to our power steering system just by making the pressure hose like 30" long if memory serves me correct.

I tried to look at your pictures to see how long the pressure hose might be but after going back 10 pages and not finding any actual pictures of the car or engine I gave up.

[Greg from Aus]

Great to see Ron, Now get it all sorted so I can pick your brains.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I tried to look at your pictures to see how long the pressure hose might be but after going back 10 pages and not finding any actual pictures of the car or engine I gave up.



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:D

[efs69]

Good to see you got the car out and are putting it through its paces. I can relate to the driving part but that will come. In regards to the steering could there be some debris in the pump? I would take the valve out and flush the system. With new stuff there is a possibility of some casting fragments getting loose and mucking it all up.

[tones2SS]

So awesome Ron. Glad to hear the car is running well and that you're enjoying it.
Keep it going bro! :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Sounds like Ron built the perfect pro touring car based on proven recipes. :lmao:

:mock:

Yep 335/285 stagger hard at work. Form over function.



Sounds like Ron did just fine.:trophy-1302:

Fix the steering issue and get some seat time in the thing. Then new rear inner hoops and a 315 tire will fix you right up.:mock:

Back on the grid!

Can always count on you two for a positive poke :buttkick:

[Ron in SoCal]

Matt -- You may be on to something there with the flow and pressure. I've seen plenty of guys running GM pumps with Ford racks and then complain that they're steering is too light... well DOH! A simple orifice change and it's bada bing bada boom!


Generally just raising the front off the ground - open the cap on the reservoir - and running the rack lock to lock a few times is adequate bleeding... but with extra lines -- and coolers... you'd have to look for a "high" loop where maybe the air is trapped IDK.


I have power steering on the Muttstang -- and Charley doesn't on his... he's always worn out at the end of the day and mentions "me" having PS and him not. I think there's larger issues at work but WTF we're friends and I just accept his whining for what it is. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I experienced a similar problem on the DSE rack on the Chevelle we just finished.

How long is the pressure hose from the pump to the rack? Make it as long as you can. What happens is that it's a rotary pump which is not constant displacement so the longer hose helps the small pressure surges that the pump creates to be come smoothed out in that longer hose. COMPRENDE?????

I was blown away at what that did to our power steering system just by making the pressure hose like 30" long if memory serves me correct.

I tried to look at your pictures to see how long the pressure hose might be but after going back 10 pages and not finding any actual pictures of the car or engine I gave up.

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen. Here's my plan - first I'll verify that Wegner sent me the correct flow rate pump for my DSE rack. I have a GM pump on the shelf (go figure) that is supposed to be matched to the rack so I can swap it out to test. I'll also remount my cooler lower. I've heard others with the same problems with this rack and I'd rather not put a three foot hose in the engine compartment (great suggestion though Rodger). If there's any lingering issues or notchy-ness I'm replacing the rack and getting a matching pump. I've also got a valve for the pump that'll match the AGR so one way or another this will get fixed.

Appreciate the input for sure :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Very cool Ron. Looks like you have graduated from the jack stand army. Welcome aboard. :thumbsup:

Now get ready for the sleepless nights trying to figure out how to improve car and driver :headspin:

Already loosing sleep Gae. :lol:

That's awesome Ron! Glad to hear you had a good time.

Thanks Wayne. So far I'm lovin' it :cheers:

Great to see you’re out there enjoying the car! The autocross video was good, but I’m looking forward to some high speed stuff to hear the 427 wound up :yes:

The car looks awesome.

Hey Dale! How's it going? I think my next outing will be Big Willow so stay tuned Brother. These LS7s are so much fun!

Hey Ron it was nice to meet you and figure out where I had seen your car before. lol.
Congrats on the cars maiden voyage at the track and your first time auto crossing. Once you get the car all dialed in, you will really enjoy auto crossing in it. Your car turned out great.

Dude it was great meeting you and the 5th Gen crew. I will definitely see you out at more AutoX events. You rocked that car, btw :thumbsup:

Now get busy and start a build thread on your first Gen! :hitaxeonthehead: :D

[Ron in SoCal]

Cool!!!

Thanks man. Your car is an inspiration :thumbsup:

Joking aside for just a few minutes, it really is refreshing and long awaited to see Big Bad Ron post a video putting his 69 through the paces. Wish I coulda been there.

It's just the beginning. :cheers:

Thanks Davey!

Great to see Ron, Now get it all sorted so I can pick your brains.

Already working on it Greg. Spoke to RS today :cheers:

Good to see you got the car out and are putting it through its paces. I can relate to the driving part but that will come. In regards to the steering could there be some debris in the pump? I would take the valve out and flush the system. With new stuff there is a possibility of some casting fragments getting loose and mucking it all up.

Possible Efrian. I think I started off on the wrong PS foot and need to get back to level ground. I'm calling you to go with me the next track day. :D

So awesome Ron. Glad to hear the car is running well and that you're enjoying it.
Keep it going bro! :thumbsup:

Thanks Tony! Appreciate the kind words, as always.

:hello: Skip

[ironworks]

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen. Here's my plan - first I'll verify that Wegner sent me the correct flow rate pump for my DSE rack. I have a GM pump on the shelf (go figure) that is supposed to be matched to the rack so I can swap it out to test. I'll also remount my cooler lower. I've heard others with the same problems with this rack and I'd rather not put a three foot hose in the engine compartment (great suggestion though Rodger). If there's any lingering issues or notchy-ness I'm replacing the rack and getting a matching pump. I've also got a valve for the pump that'll match the AGR so one way or another this will get fixed.

Appreciate the input for sure :cheers:


You crack me up Ron. I did everything you said. Changed 3 pumps, the 3rd being a bad ass 600 dollar KRC pump. Changed reservoir changed to GM fluid and the only thing that fixed it was the hose. Oh and I spent a stupid amount of time researching. But if you don't want to clutter up your engine compartment cool.


I have some pumps and reservoirs in the for sale section I will make you a deal on.

[Ron in SoCal]

You crack me up Ron. I did everything you said. Changed 3 pumps, the 3rd being a bad ass 600 dollar KRC pump. Changed reservoir changed to GM fluid and the only thing that fixed it was the hose. Oh and I spent a stupid amount of time researching. But if you don't want to clutter up your engine compartment cool.


I have some pumps and reservoirs in the for sale section I will make you a deal on.

Glad I finally got you to bust a smile Rodg, lol. At what point did you dump the rack? :D

Serious question though, how the heck did you figure out a longer hose might be the fix?

:cheers:

[Sieg]

Coil the hose. :sieg:

[DOOM]

Ron I really love seeing the car out doing what it was built for !

[ironworks]

Glad I finally got you to bust a smile Rodg, lol. At what point did you dump the rack? :D

Serious question though, how the heck did you figure out a longer hose might be the fix?

:cheers:

Oh I forgot I swapped that also.

One of my customers has a flow issue on a Steam Generator with a variable displacement pump at the exact same time.

I'm going to guess your pressure line is less then 10 inches. If you think about OEM pressure hoses they are pretty long for the actual short distance that the fluid needs to travel.

Just swap the hose and if it works you can send me a big :G-Dub: for saving you all that time and money. And if it does not work feel free to bad mouth me on the old interweb.

[frankv11]

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen. Here's my plan - first I'll verify that Wegner sent me the correct flow rate pump for my DSE rack. I have a GM pump on the shelf (go figure) that is supposed to be matched to the rack so I can swap it out to test. I'll also remount my cooler lower. I've heard others with the same problems with this rack and I'd rather not put a three foot hose in the engine compartment (great suggestion though Rodger). If there's any lingering issues or notchy-ness I'm replacing the rack and getting a matching pump. I've also got a valve for the pump that'll match the AGR so one way or another this will get fixed.

Appreciate the input for sure :cheers:

remove and replace until you fix it. I'm wondering if you need more volume moving through there, maybe you need a restrictor valve with bigger opening
http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff363/frankv11/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zpsc6f38a27.jpg (http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/frankv11/media/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zpsc6f38a27.jpg.html)

[Payton King]

Too much flow will mess up the spool valve and/or make the steering too light. Bypassing too much fluid with the restirctor will cause the fluid to over heat as well as aerate. Making the power assist sporatic at best.

I had my pump rebuilt by ARG to match the flow of my rack. They also fluted the vanes so they would not foam up the fluid.

They changed the torsion bar size in the pinion valve to improve the feel.

Here is a link, go the the middle of the page

http://www.agrperformance.com/Hot-Rod-AGR-Performance.htm

All of this may have been done to your stuff, but this is what I had to do the the yellow car when it was first completed many moons ago.

[Vegas69]

Ron, Do it the hard, expensive way.

No, it hasn't been long enough to wax the car for the first time.

:mock:

[GregWeld]

Ron, Do it the hard, expensive way.:mock:



Was there ever any doubt?

[Vegas69]

Was there ever any doubt?

NO Ha Ha

[Rybar]

Ron, congrats on getting the car done and on the road. I apologize that I missed the milestone.

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron, congrats on getting the car done and on the road. I apologize that I missed the milestone.

Thanks Ry! No apologies necessary. Besides, it's back on jackstands, :lol:

:cheers:

[214Chevy]

Besides, it's back on jackstands,

Ron, uhhh...wait for it. (enters the usual and normal jokesters) :stirthepot: :poke:

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Thanks Ry! No apologies necessary. Besides, it's back on jackstands, :lol:

:cheers:

Nooooooooooo!

Ron, uhhh...wait for it. (enters the usual and normal jokesters) :stirthepot: :poke:

Yessssssssssss!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ron, uhhh...wait for it. (enters the usual and normal jokesters) :stirthepot: :poke:

Yes, as always the temptation is great.

I was goin to try and work this lil fellow into the whole 'stagnant body of water dead pool' conversation, but I've decided against it.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/1%20album%202014/imagejpg5_zpsf6bccf88.jpg (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/wnyjazz/media/1%20album%202014/imagejpg5_zpsf6bccf88.jpg.html)


:hello:

[syborg tt]

what the heck is that ?!!!

Yes, as always the temptation is great.

I was goin to try and work this lil fellow into the whole 'stagnant body of water dead pool' conversation, but I've decided against it.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/1%20album%202014/imagejpg5_zpsf6bccf88.jpg (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/wnyjazz/media/1%20album%202014/imagejpg5_zpsf6bccf88.jpg.html)


:hello:

[fleetus macmullitz]

what the heck is that ?!!!

Marty,

IIRC it's a salamander.

Ugh...

[syborg tt]

Marty,

IIRC it's a salamander.

Ugh...

that's just freaking crazy !!!

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Marty,

IIRC it's a salamander.

Ugh...

Awe....the poor thing just needs some carbon fiber......and a "special" looking shifter. :buttkick:
:lmao:

49321

[Ron in SoCal]

You guys kill me...:lol:

:cheers:

[tones2SS]

Awe....the poor thing just needs some carbon fiber......and a "special" looking shifter. :buttkick:
:lmao:

LOL
:D

[Rick D]

Ok Skip that's just messed up!!:disgusted:

Ummmm Ron why is it back on jack stands???? :poke:

[FETorino]

Ummmm Ron why is it back on jack stands???? :poke:

Owner preference :underchair:

[Rick D]

Owner preference :underchair:

:mock: :hitaxeonthehead: :confused59: :drama: :lmao: :lmao:

[intocarss]

Ok Skip that's just messed up!!:disgusted:

Ummmm Ron why is it back on jack stands???? :poke:Tires were showing signs of wear

[Ron in SoCal]

Ran out of quick detailer? :headspin:

[fleetus macmullitz]

You know Ron, you could just have those jackstands photoshopped out.


:popcorn2:

[Rick D]

Ran out of quick detailer? :headspin:

Now it makes sense!!

Oh and yes I'm ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!

[glassman]

Awe come on!! Your killin us...

You coming to Sonoma??????? Hope so, wanna see this thing in person, I'll bring jackstands if it makes you more comfortable....:cheers:

[efs69]

What happened?

[Ron in SoCal]

Awe come on!! Your killin us...

You coming to Sonoma??????? Hope so, wanna see this thing in person, I'll bring jackstands if it makes you more comfortable....:cheers:

Running Sonoma is at risk but I plan to show up at the track. Plus there's the Dave Gordon Keezer coming out party the night before!

:cheers:

What happened?

Ef, nothing major just sorting issues (owner preference, lol). Clutch inspection and throwout adjustment, spring swap, rack mod and PS cooler relo. Summit had promised parts by the 12th, then the 19th. Now they are saying the 2nd. I'm gonna make some calls today and see if I can source elsewhere.

:disgusted:

[Greg from Aus]

Running Sonoma is at risk but I plan to show up at the track. Plus there's the Dave Gordon Keezer coming out party the night before!

:cheers:



Ef, nothing major just sorting issues (owner preference, lol). Clutch inspection and throwout adjustment, spring swap, rack mod and PS cooler relo. Summit had promised parts by the 12th, then the 19th. Now they are saying the 2nd. I'm gonna make some calls today and see if I can source elsewhere.

:disgusted:

NOOOOOOOO, Tell them I've come all this way, lol

[GregWeld]

NOOOOOOOO, Tell them I've come all this way, lol




Better that it's broken now - it'll save him from doing all the body and paintwork
after he'd hit a wall.

[efs69]

Ef, nothing major just sorting issues (owner preference, lol). Clutch inspection and throwout adjustment, spring swap, rack mod and PS cooler relo. Summit had promised parts by the 12th, then the 19th. Now they are saying the 2nd. I'm gonna make some calls today and see if I can source elsewhere.


Sounds like a bunch of things to go through. Any details? I am not sure but my issues look close to what your fixing. For me my clutch is not disengaging enoug so shifting is a bit notchy and reverse is super hard to get with the engine on. Springs too soft?

So are you going to run the car in Sonoma?

Good luck with it.

[Greg from Aus]

Better that it's broken now - it'll save him from doing all the body and paintwork
after he'd hit a wall.

Nah, come on I want to see it.

[Sieg]

Nah, come on I want to see it.

The car or the hit the wall part? :sieg:

:underchair:

[intocarss]

Better that it's broken now - it'll save him from doing all the body and paintwork
after he'd hit a wall.

YOU GO KNOCK ON WOOD :knokwood:

[Greg from Aus]

The car or the hit the wall part? :sieg:

:underchair:

Come on don't try and incite a brawl.

[Ron in SoCal]

Sounds like a bunch of things to go through. Any details? I am not sure but my issues look close to what your fixing. For me my clutch is not disengaging enoug so shifting is a bit notchy and reverse is super hard to get with the engine on. Springs too soft?

So are you going to run the car in Sonoma?

Good luck with it.

Better that it's broken now - it'll save him from doing all the body and paintwork
after he'd hit a wall.

The car or the hit the wall part? :sieg:

:underchair:

YOU GO KNOCK ON WOOD :knokwood:

That's called a kinahara JD :headspin: :weld: :knock:

Come on don't try and incite a brawl.

Way to represent Greg. :thumbsup: Just come on down to SoCal and stay at my pad! I'm sure the GF and kids won't mind. :lol:

Waiting on parts, still. I ordered on 7-1, Summit had promised delivery by 7-12, then 7-25. I called yesterday and it's supposed to ship tomorrow. The Ron Sutton hotline offered to ship right away, :thumbsup: and thank you Ron. Hope I don't regret not taking you up on your offer.

Full details Efram as soon as I get it back together. :cheers:

[intocarss]

Ron,, are you speaking Yiddish??

[Ron in SoCal]

Technically I typed it, but knew you'd be in tune :)

[intocarss]

Technically I typed it, but knew you'd be in tune :)

I googled it

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Well, I finally figured it out. Ron's car spends so much time on jackstands because he doesn't want to wear out his tires. I can't believe it took me this long to figure it out, with his aversion to burn-out videos and all.

He figures that keeping them up in the air increases the air flow around them and keeps them soft and supple. This also protects them from dangerous abrasive grit that could scratch or pit the fragile vulcanized rubber surface. Even if he were to roast the tires, he would immediately place the car back up on the stands in order to cool the tires quickly and keep them from absorbing radiant heat from the ground. Further, doing "burn outs" in the air while on jackstands keeps them perfectly round via centripetal force which reduces the possibility of flat spots caused by years of sitting around.

[OVRKILL]

Wait...this thing actually moves under its own power?!?!?

**(rubbing eyes in disbelief....)**

Congrats man...hope all is well!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Now the wait continues for more...

:popcorn2:

[waynieZ]

I have nothing to say because people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I have nothing to say because people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It's all good...the new 'Owners' preference' provision covers builds lasting up to 10 years; with a one-time additional 10 year extension if requested.


:thankyou:

[Ron in SoCal]

Well, I finally figured it out. Ron's car spends so much time on jackstands because he doesn't want to wear out his tires. I can't believe it took me this long to figure it out, with his aversion to burn-out videos and all.

He figures that keeping them up in the air increases the air flow around them and keeps them soft and supple. This also protects them from dangerous abrasive grit that could scratch or pit the fragile vulcanized rubber surface. Even if he were to roast the tires, he would immediately place the car back up on the stands in order to cool the tires quickly and keep them from absorbing radiant heat from the ground. Further, doing "burn outs" in the air while on jackstands keeps them perfectly round via centripetal force which reduces the possibility of flat spots caused by years of sitting around.

LOL! You guys crack me up!

That's because the Jedi Knight provides us with so much material...daily! :lol:


Wait...this thing actually moves under its own power?!?!?

**(rubbing eyes in disbelief....)**

Congrats man...hope all is well!

Hey B! How you doing man? Ever get out on the road w Roberto?

:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Now the wait continues for more...

:popcorn2:

I have nothing to say because people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It's all good...the new 'Owners' preference' provision covers builds lasting up to 10 years; with a one-time additional 10 year extension if requested.


:thankyou:

I feel better with my daily dose o' Cosmo :lol:

It's coming...
otU04wKwmN0

[Rick D]

I feel better with my daily dose o' Cosmo :lol:

It's coming...
otU04wKwmN0

Ummmm :headscratch: ok I think!! :whistling:

[glassman]

I have nothing to say because people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Yeah they should. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

I feel better with my daily dose o' Cosmo :lol:



...our 'crack' staff would be glad to refill that script anytime Ron. :_paranoid

UhQSnDCPF10

[Ron in SoCal]

So it’s been a while and the car’s been kickin' my a$$, so here goes. I’ll try to keep this as short as possible.

I was having power steering issues and wasn’t totally sold on the 20:1 after my first AutoX. Really if the suspension was tuned it wouldn’t be as bad, plus it’s a great rack for the street and Kyle Tucker seems to do pretty well with it. On July 1st I ordered an AGR rack from Summit and had a 10 day delivery date that got pushed back 3x into late August so I cancelled.

Plan B was to install a DSE pump matched to the rack. Ugg, same issue persisted. Early August I found and ordered a different AGR PN which had the same specs and it showed up mid-month. After the install I was still getting the same on/off power assist. By this time, Matt Jones at AME and Prime Time (aka Ron Sutton) told me it probably was a pump or system issue and they were right. With Dick at BoS' help, we swapped back my original pump, changed a return line, remounted the PS cooler lower and removed the reducer valve and it seemed to do the trick! The steering felt like what others have described as a modern BMW. Light and crisp and I liked the feel a lot.

I also got a call from Steve Rupp inviting me out to Streets of Willow to the Super Chevy suspension Challenge so the prep was on…

Next up was a review of my front and rear roll centers with DSE and AME and a discussion with David Pozzi about his experience with the sub. I had some minor modifications made to the sub to get a little more clearance and got my second alignment to achieve a bit more caster. Combine that with the rack repair and light steering I was feeling pretty good. After unloading the car at home last Thursday night I noticed a couple small oil/fluid spots on the driveway and put the car away for the night. Next day I take the car to get new shoes installed and upon my return I have not a weep, not a leak but puddles! Not good when I’m 48 hours from hitting the track. With Rob pushing me via text every 10 minutes (kidding, but much appreciated), I spent the next 12 hours in the garage removing parts to be able to tighten –an / npt fittings and checking valve covers and my oil pan. I finally got far enough back and discovered that my rear cover and seal was leaking. The more I checked, the worse it got. Ugg again, game over. I called Steve and told him I did my best, but the car won this round.

[Panteracer]

Ron that really sucks
I sometimes think these cars
fight us because they like it
My bird is a pain all the time but it
makes me more determined. I could never
Do that when I was younger

Good luck and keep swinging at it

Panteracer

[Track Junky]

Man Ron.....:headscratch:

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron that really sucks
I sometimes think these cars
fight us because they like it
My bird is a pain all the time but it
makes me more determined. I could never
Do that when I was younger

Good luck and keep swinging at it

Panteracer

Thank you Sir! You know better than most, try as hard as you may, sometimes it's just not in the cards.

:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

I kinda felt like I got punched in the stomach, but kept reminding myself that these are custom cars and it needs to get sorted until I run out of problems to fix. I also felt bad that Matt flew in from the east coast to join me at the track (thanks Matt!) and I also postponed a work trip and had to pick up the tab for new flights and a hotel night to make the track date.

Matt and I looked over the car and came to the same conclusion, the seal or cover is toast. I had found a GM service bulletin that described the problem and gave an indication of the fix, which thankfully is not pulling the motor!

Matt knew a pretty good shop near me called Addiction so I took it over there Monday morning and they did the fix in six freakin hours. Maybe Tuesday at Streets was a possibility?

On my way to get the car I’m about a block away from the shop and they call and ask if I have my trailer. Why?! I ask. Well, your pressure fitting blew off the rack. Nothing fazes me at this point…

The next morning Addiction drilled and tapped the rack and had it fixed in another hour. I picked up the car (really this time) and drove it home and noticed no leaks. Whew!

I have more work to do on the car before I can run it hard, but I’m taking that delayed flight tomorrow so it’ll have to wait till next week.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it :D

[Al Moreno]

Dang Ron I'm mentally tired just reading all the hurdles you've been jumping. Hopefully you get a brake here and can start enjoying her.

[Spiffav8]

Glad to hear you're still positive and keeping at it. It's going to be sweeeet!

[Ron in SoCal]

Man Ron.....:headscratch:

Dang Ron I'm mentally tired just reading all the hurdles you've been jumping. Hopefully you get a brake here and can start enjoying her.

Thanks Gae and Al. You couldn't write this script, I think. I'm sure others have had it worse and sooner or later it gets better. :cheers:

One good thing came out of the blown rack fitting - I put the reducer valve back on and waa-la! The steering feels heavier, firmer against the big front tires just like a muscle car should.

[Sieg]

Sucks to be you lately!

Best I got is best of luck from here on out!

[Greg from Aus]

That really sucks Ron, it will be worth it in the end, chin up.

[Ron in SoCal]

Glad to hear you're still positive and keeping at it. It's going to be sweeeet!

Thx Curtis! Notice I threw in a Plan B plug? :lol:

Sucks to be you lately!

Best I got is best of luck from here on out!

It does and thanks Scotty. :cheers:

That really sucks Ron, it will be worth it in the end, chin up.

I'm there Bro. You will be too :D

[Vince@Meanstreets]

which fitting failed Ron.

The thing about problems is it makes you a smarter owner. You'll get through it.

My old boss use to say "New don't mean SH**. all of it was made by the lowest bidder and by a guy that hates his job" LOL

sometimes its true.

[Ron in SoCal]

That's a fact Vin.

The pressure fitting on the rack was a -6 o-ring fitting. Replaced it w 3/8s pipe.

[Matt@BOS]

Ron, get one of the TC series pumps listed on this page, and while you're at it, order one for me too. :lol:



http://www.agrperformance.com/Hot-Rod-AGR-Performance.htm

[Flash68]

The thing about problems is it makes you a smarter owner.

Makes a lot of sense Vince.

I put the reducer valve back on and waa-la! The steering feels heavier, firmer against the big front tires just like a muscle car should.

Brilliant :idea: How many times did you hear that in recent weeks? :action-smiley-027:

[Vegas69]

That's all?:action-smiley-027:

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Sorry to hear about the issues Ron. I had a few bugs to work out myself. Driveshaft, rear seal on the T56, new pinion yolk on my 12 bolt....AC not turning the radiator fans on...leaking PS pressure line...coolant blowing out the overflow.....etc.

The most important thing is that you keep a good attitude....like you said in one of your posts above. It's a project and there's going to be a shakedown period, and there WILL be issues. Just need to have the patience to work through them.

I'd bed you'd really like to get this thing out and take out your frustration by burning the tires off the rims right!?? :drive: And taking a video of course. Might even call it a "Burnout Video". :idea:
:rules:

[glassman]

Sorry to hear about the "ongoing" issues. I guess when we try to make our cars better than a factory BMW we will run into "sorting" out issues. Only one thing i continue to learn being a car guy/builder= Patience! I didnt have a lot of that when i was younger, but we dont have a choice. I know you know this but i feel for ya. I took this week off to install my a/c, well it took five weeks to get here and yep, you guessed it, wrong kit. EFF!

Your car is one of my favorite 69's of all time, i mean, color, rims, driveline, seats, attention to detail, etc. I absolutely love and would love to own an equivelent to it some day.....(or this one lol since your frustrated with it, JK)

Anyways, it was nice meeting you at Sonoma, and sorry for interupting you lol.

Mike

[214Chevy]

Wow Ron!! Sorry I don't have any advice to give you as many times as you've answered the phone or returned my calls and gave me great advice. I can offer mental support and say, I hope it gets better. This is just a small hurdle that you will conquer with no problem. Don't worry...fret not, the car will make you proud..

[SSLance]

Bummer about all of the shakedown issues Ron, a lot of us have been there done that and know pretty much what you are going through first hand. The positive attitude you've kept through the troubles is commendable.

Think about it this way though...imagine how your attitude would be if you did not have the ability or know how to work on cars yourself and had just checkbook hot rodded a shop to build this car for you...and then kept having these same issues that we all know surface on a build like this...after the shop was done with it, had been paid and you had the car at home.

At least with this route, you'll know what it took to fix the issues and once they are finally fixed right, you won't have to deal with them again and you'll have that knowledge to use the next time you build a car. Plus, when you are hammering the car around a course or track you'll know in the back of your mind exactly what it took to get the car to run that well. That is worth a TON to me anyway.

[intocarss]

You know the old saying...

If It Has Wheels Or A Skirt Ur Gonna Have Problems!! You'll get it sorted out :hello:

[Sieg]

You know the old saying...

If It Has Wheels Or A Skirt Ur Gonna Have Problems!! You'll get it sorted out :hello:
Dawgers......ya left out Props!

[GregWeld]

I got a good laugh out of Lance's post about you doing the work.... Obviously he isn't tracking for the last decade. LOL


I was on the chassis dyno and the fitting blew out of the rack... took the threads with it. That's the problem with running a REBUILT rack... and aluminum with steel fittings... and who the hell knows the fit on the threads. Might have been galled when the old fitting was removed and took half the threads with it. I bought a BRAND NEW rack to "fix" the problem.

Funny thing about building these cars.... I've buttoned up motors that I've built personally which includes cutting ring gaps etc - and fired 'em up - set the timing and adjust the carb and drove to Reno and back.... and I've had pro built motors that didn't last the week... and pro built motors that never leaked or did anything but work as they should.... I've had two hot rods pro built now - one was a complete hassle and the other was a complete joy. Go figure.

Not all body shops are good mechanics and not many mechanics are good body people... very few have the staffing to have great mechanics and great metal workers and paint people all under one roof... and these cars get taken apart and put back together during the build so many times it's a wonder any of them ever run at all.

Add to this - now we also expect the builders to be a suspension specialists for our PT builds... Oh yeah - and we got the front end from someone and the rear end from somebody else - and then we changed our plan 6 times.

In other words -- welcome to hot rodding.

[SSLance]

I got a good laugh out of Lance's post about you doing the work.... Obviously he isn't tracking for the last decade. LOL



I typed that part out 3 or 4 different times trying to not offend anyone...and finally just took the high road. :D

In the end, the car owner IS the only one that has to make sure all the parts and pieces work to his\her liking. It's not a whole lot different than building a house...someone has to make sure all of the sub contractors are getting things done correctly and they'll all tell you, it's not THEIR fault...when things go wrong... Even the general contractor on a job has to be held in check to make sure things get done right.

My brother just had a blow up with a paint shop over the painting of the front fender of his Harley. A simple $275 job turned into a month of mistakes, lies, threats, excuses, more lies, and eventually a customer taking his job out the door, unfinished and unhappy about it. At least an experienced hot rod builder realizes that these things happen and just rolls with the punches.

[Richio1]

You know the old saying...

If It Has Wheels Or A Skirt Ur Gonna Have Problems!! You'll get it sorted out :hello:

Ron... sorry to hear about the issues. We've all been there. I was in the same boat when you guys were playing at Sears Point. The bad news is, this will likely not be the only rodeo for you.

But once this is fixed, check it off the list and move on to the next item. My car has been "done" for a year and I have had it in my possession for 6 months. The other 6 has been working out bugs, changing set ups, and swapping out old vendor parts for their new parts. It will be going back in soon for more "tweaking" then we should be done except for some maintenance things annually... unless he talks me into Stack Injection. :twak:

You'll get there. Plus it never rains in So Cal so you have nothing to worry about. You can drive it all year long.

[tones2SS]

You know the old saying...

If It Has Wheels Or A Skirt Ur Gonna Have Problems!!

^^THIS!!
Good luck Ron.

[Flash68]

Anyways, it was nice meeting you at Sonoma, and sorry for interupting you lol.

Mike

:lmao:

Don't ever ever ever interrupt... THE Ron. :twak:

[DaleTx]

Sorry to hear about the problems. That can be so frustrating when you've taken the time to do it right and still have problems. Keep at it... it will come together for you! Building these cars will test the patience for sure.

:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

That's all?:action-smiley-027:

I know. What a wuss I am :lol:


The most important thing is that you keep a good attitude....like you said in one of your posts above. It's a project and there's going to be a shakedown period, and there WILL be issues. Just need to have the patience to work through them.

I'd bed you'd really like to get this thing out and take out your frustration by burning the tires off the rims right!?? :drive: And taking a video of course. Might even call it a "Burnout Video". :idea:
:rules:

Yes OBwK, they do require shakedowns any way you look at it. Attitude is everything! Oh, no burnout vids until I get my breather straight :cheers:

Sorry to hear about the "ongoing" issues. I guess when we try to make our cars better than a factory BMW we will run into "sorting" out issues. Only one thing i continue to learn being a car guy/builder= Patience! I didnt have a lot of that when i was younger, but we dont have a choice. I know you know this but i feel for ya. I took this week off to install my a/c, well it took five weeks to get here and yep, you guessed it, wrong kit. EFF!

Your car is one of my favorite 69's of all time, i mean, color, rims, driveline, seats, attention to detail, etc. I absolutely love and would love to own an equivelent to it some day.....(or this one lol since your frustrated with it, JK)

Anyways, it was nice meeting you at Sonoma, and sorry for interupting you lol.

Mike

Mike thanks for the kind words. And don't sweat the interruption. I think I might've returned the favor ... :D

[Ron in SoCal]

Wow Ron!! Sorry I don't have any advice to give you as many times as you've answered the phone or returned my calls and gave me great advice. I can offer mental support and say, I hope it gets better. This is just a small hurdle that you will conquer with no problem. Don't worry...fret not, the car will make you proud..

You're too kind Bro :cheers:

You know the old saying...

If It Has Wheels Or A Skirt Ur Gonna Have Problems!! You'll get it sorted out :hello:

Or like Sieg said, or a prop :D

I got a good laugh out of Lance's post about you doing the work.... Obviously he isn't tracking for the last decade. LOL


I was on the chassis dyno and the fitting blew out of the rack... took the threads with it. That's the problem with running a REBUILT rack... and aluminum with steel fittings... and who the hell knows the fit on the threads. Might have been galled when the old fitting was removed and took half the threads with it. I bought a BRAND NEW rack to "fix" the problem.

Funny thing about building these cars.... I've buttoned up motors that I've built personally which includes cutting ring gaps etc - and fired 'em up - set the timing and adjust the carb and drove to Reno and back.... and I've had pro built motors that didn't last the week... and pro built motors that never leaked or did anything but work as they should.... I've had two hot rods pro built now - one was a complete hassle and the other was a complete joy. Go figure.

Not all body shops are good mechanics and not many mechanics are good body people... very few have the staffing to have great mechanics and great metal workers and paint people all under one roof... and these cars get taken apart and put back together during the build so many times it's a wonder any of them ever run at all.

Add to this - now we also expect the builders to be a suspension specialists for our PT builds... Oh yeah - and we got the front end from someone and the rear end from somebody else - and then we changed our plan 6 times.

In other words -- welcome to hot rodding.

I typed that part out 3 or 4 different times trying to not offend anyone...and finally just took the high road. :D

In the end, the car owner IS the only one that has to make sure all the parts and pieces work to his\her liking. It's not a whole lot different than building a house...someone has to make sure all of the sub contractors are getting things done correctly and they'll all tell you, it's not THEIR fault...when things go wrong... Even the general contractor on a job has to be held in check to make sure things get done right.

My brother just had a blow up with a paint shop over the painting of the front fender of his Harley. A simple $275 job turned into a month of mistakes, lies, threats, excuses, more lies, and eventually a customer taking his job out the door, unfinished and unhappy about it. At least an experienced hot rod builder realizes that these things happen and just rolls with the punches.

Lance, you and GW are both right. As much time, money and wrenching as I've spent / done on this car after paint I tried to get it through shops to get it done as quickly as possible. Between work and family that's the best I could do and not have the project take longer. Besides, even that took long enough :lol:

And really - as I was telling a good friend the other day - no one cleans your house the way you'd like them to, and no one will be as anal about your car/project/baby as you would like them to. It's just the reality. So us addicts spend more personal time than anyone with a real life should.

Oh and don't worry about offending me. If I was that thin-skinned GW/Dave/Rob/Todd woulda ran me off long ago :D :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Oh and don't worry about offending me. If I was that thin-skinned GW/Dave/Rob/Todd woulda ran me off long ago :D :cheers:



If we didn't love ya -- we wouldn't bother with you. LOL


This stuff can be so frustrating some times. It shouldn't be - but sometimes it just is.


Here's the part that kills YOU as I know it does me. We're not taking stuff to the cheap quote guys. I don't mind paying whatever it takes to get a top notch job done.... and then you get it home and have to re-do stuff. That's what kills me. Might just as well have taken it to the chop shop!

This whole thing reminds me of when Steve Frisbee's Auto Restoration (SAR) in Portland Oregon charged me $1500 bucks to remove my taillights and paint the black housing white - so that the brake lights would be "brighter".... Of course they'd put them in and built the car to begin with...and now I'm paying him for this kind of work?? But the only thing the taillights needed was an "adjustment" (which I did after they still didn't work) to the bulb holder so they'd make ground contact with the bulb. And this is a Riddler car builder?? OMG.... it's little wonder people go postal!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron... sorry to hear about the issues. We've all been there. I was in the same boat when you guys were playing at Sears Point. The bad news is, this will likely not be the only rodeo for you.

But once this is fixed, check it off the list and move on to the next item. My car has been "done" for a year and I have had it in my possession for 6 months. The other 6 has been working out bugs, changing set ups, and swapping out old vendor parts for their new parts. It will be going back in soon for more "tweaking" then we should be done except for some maintenance things annually... unless he talks me into Stack Injection. :twak:

You'll get there. Plus it never rains in So Cal so you have nothing to worry about. You can drive it all year long.

So true Jeff. Someone told me it'd take a year to sort and tune the car. That may turn out to be a good estimate.

Oh, and get the stack :idea:

^^THIS!!
Good luck Ron.

Thx Tones :cheers:

:lmao:

Don't ever ever ever interrupt... THE Ron. :twak:

There's only one "The" and it's Rob lol

Sorry to hear about the problems. That can be so frustrating when you've taken the time to do it right and still have problems. Keep at it... it will come together for you! Building these cars will test the patience for sure.

:cheers:

Great to hear from you Dale. And you are right, there's only one way to do it...:hello:

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Here's the part that kills YOU as I know it does me. We're not taking stuff to the cheap quote guys. I don't mind paying whatever it takes to get a top notch job done.... and then you get it home and have to re-do stuff. That's what kills me. Might just as well have taken it to the chop shop!


That applies to parts as well! I've learned not to bother with the more expensive stuff that's supposed to friggen fit. Sure I go for value if I can but I'm also a cheap-ass and I've been burned so many times that lately I just buy the cheapest stuff. I know it's not going to work anyway, and I'll have to modify it so why pay extra?

[Ron in SoCal]

If we didn't love ya -- we wouldn't bother with you. LOL


This stuff can be so frustrating some times. It shouldn't be - but sometimes it just is.


Here's the part that kills YOU as I know it does me. We're not taking stuff to the cheap quote guys. I don't mind paying whatever it takes to get a top notch job done.... and then you get it home and have to re-do stuff. That's what kills me. Might just as well have taken it to the chop shop!

This whole thing reminds me of when Steve Frisbee's Auto Restoration (SAR) in Portland Oregon charged me $1500 bucks to remove my taillights and paint the black housing white - so that the brake lights would be "brighter".... Of course they'd put them in and built the car to begin with...and now I'm paying him for this kind of work?? But the only thing the taillights needed was an "adjustment" (which I did after they still didn't work) to the bulb holder so they'd make ground contact with the bulb. And this is a Riddler car builder?? OMG.... it's little wonder people go postal!!

Totally agree Greg. I will say there are certain parts of the build that I'm not going to 'assign' blame for certain issues - other than myself, lol.

When you look at this go-round, it was a breather issue we think. Was it the motor builder, BoS or Mike Norris' catch can design? I think the answer is a resounding NO. The dry sump scavenges well enough. The upper has a breather/catch can but it just wasn't enough. Plus I was using GM valve covers that have really really skinny ports for a factory PCV system, which again I'm not using. The catch can filled up after the first AutoX, and the next spirited drive pressurized the bottom end and sent the rear main out the back. It had nowhere to go.

So what's the fix? I'll either drill and tap a -10 fitting into the valve covers or get new ones and give the top end some better breathing.

The rack? That's a whole 'nother issue.

Other parts of the build? Yes there has been lots of fixing and rework, on my nickel. I'll never see those nickels again.

Thanks for chiming in GW. Oh and I love U2 :lol:

:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

I'm also looking at this:

http://www.metcomotorsports.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MBR0015%2D10AN

I'll measure when I get back in town and see if it fits.

[efs69]

Ron,

It really sucks going through all this crap. I know what you mean by doing stuff yourself but even then there are issues. I fix one thing and something else shows up. Maybe we can do a wrench party and get it going....lol

I can't remember off hand what valve covers you are running but on mine (Katech) they are tapped for breathers lines that I run to the dry sump breather. So far no issues.

Hang in there.

[Vegas69]

I ran dual -12 breathers on my beast. :thankyou:

[canrc]

^^^x2 -12 for me too!:)

Sorry to hear about the trouble Ron! I had a bunch of things come up after I started driving mine too, it definitely sucks but you have the right attitude for sure!

As for the breather I had the same issues but after going to my current setup (RX Monster Can) and adding a clean side separator its has resolved that issue. If you decide to drill and tap the covers for a bigger fitting just remember to weld in a baffle of some sort

[David Pozzi]

Totally agree Greg. I will say there are certain parts of the build that I'm not going to 'assign' blame for certain issues - other than myself, lol.

When you look at this go-round, it was a breather issue we think. Was it the motor builder, BoS or Mike Norris' catch can design? I think the answer is a resounding NO. The dry sump scavenges well enough. The upper has a breather/catch can but it just wasn't enough. Plus I was using GM valve covers that have really really skinny ports for a factory PCV system, which again I'm not using. The catch can filled up after the first AutoX, and the next spirited drive pressurized the bottom end and sent the rear main out the back. It had nowhere to go.

So what's the fix? I'll either drill and tap a -10 fitting into the valve covers or get new ones and give the top end some better breathing.

The rack? That's a whole 'nother issue.

Other parts of the build? Yes there has been lots of fixing and rework, on my nickel. I'll never see those nickels again.

Thanks for chiming in GW. Oh and I love U2 :lol:

:cheers:

Ron, I'm in favor of using the PCV connection with Mike Norris vapor separator.
I like the 15:1 steering rack and use steel AN fittings with red Loctite. The tiny O rings are fragile and not in an ideal groove setup. I would worry about thread galling with an aluminum an fitting.

I can't stress enough that you should use an inline filter on the steering system. I've had lack of pressure due to a sticking flow valve in the pump that I'm sure was due to a speck of metal jamming it.

[71RS/SS396]

Ron, Use a -12 on the valve covers it will slow the velocity of the air coming out of the covers and pull less oil with it. On my old engine I used a -12 line off of each valve cover that ran to the top of the dry sump tank. I then ran a -12 line from the tank to a vented catch can to vent the tank, I would get very little oil in the catch can, it would be mostly water from condensation. I used the Norris pcv breather to vent the valley separately, 1 line to the valley and 1 line to the vacuum port on the TB but I tapped that port and drilled small hole through a screw to restrict the vacuum flow to aid the catch can from dumping oil into the intake tract. I tried the filter in the valve cover on my wife's car but it makes a mess, eventually the filter gets saturated and leaks everywhere. I ultimately made tubes that cross over the engine and connect the valve covers together with a filter at the high point, I have a tube in the front and rear of the covers.

[Payton King]

Tim,

A picture speaks a thousand words. You know Ron only looks at pop up books. LOL

[71RS/SS396]

Tim,

A picture speaks a thousand words. You know Ron only looks at pop up books. LOL

Payton, I don't have any pics of my old engine's venting and it's since been dismantled. Deb's car is not near me right now to snap pics so Ron will have to just use his imagination :confused59:

[GregWeld]

Payton, I don't have any pics of my old engine's venting and it's since been dismantled. Deb's car is not near me right now to snap pics so Ron will have to just use his imagination :confused59:



Well.... that could be a new issue.







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[71RS/SS396]

Gw I think that's plenty of venting for the engine!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Well.... that could be a new issue.







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so many WTF's in that picture.

I believe its well spelled out Tim. i found a diagram for you Ron. : )

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks for the laughs and suggestions fellas. I just got back from a work trip this evening and will get in the garage tomorrow and look at my set up and describe it to you. I think I have a 'path of least resistance' fix in line with Tim's post (sort of) and will post up pics and my thoughts in the morning. Happy to have your feedback ... :cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanks for the laughs and suggestions fellas. I just got back from a work trip this evening and will get in the garage tomorrow and look at my set up and describe it to you. I think I have a 'path of least resistance' fix in line with Tim's post (sort of) and will post up pics and my thoughts in the morning. Happy to have your feedback ... :cheers:

woops, I posted that diagram is upside down. Make sure you turn it 180 or else it won't make any sense.

:)

I thought you had a norris can already?

[Chad-1stGen]

Ron,

I hope you get this latest issue sorted. Missed you at SOWS earlier this week but man I can relate to sorting issues. My car still isn't totally sorted yet either. A project I thought would take 6 months and instead 3.5 years...

Damn hot rods. It sure was fun to drive it on the track again though! Forgot how much fun that is.

[69x22]

Hey Ron, I've been through a lot on the crank case psi issue with mine. I've tried a few different catch cans and this and that,but worked best was 2 -12 lines from the valve covers to Moroso breather cans mounted behind the front tires. The Art Morrison sub has the perfect spot for them. Not sure how this would work with a dry sump set up. I bought 2 of the black plastic oil fill caps from O'reilys, tapped them with a 3/4" npt tap then plumbed it up. I was planning on ditching the cheap caps once it proved to work but have never got around to it.
Check out the second to the last page on my build for some pics.
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=22122&page=14&highlight=yenko

[Flash68]

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[FETorino]

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DG Ron ran a 37.6 in Dead Pool.:underchair:

[Ron in SoCal]

^ look at these two intelligent human beings hanging out at a shop racing 100s of laps on a mini bike instead of working on their $100k cars in order to get out on a real track. :thumbsup:

And then posting proof on the internet? I am truly proud to call you my friends! :lol:

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Dumb and Dumber

[GregWeld]

WHAT!?!?!


Did YOU really just post that... the part about spending money / wasting time / and hitting a real track....



^ look at these two intelligent human beings hanging out at a shop racing 100s of laps on a mini bike instead of working on their $100k cars in order to get out on a real track. :thumbsup:

And then posting proof on the internet? I am truly proud to call you my friends! :lol:

:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Dumb and Dumber

...and there's more. We'll wait till they wake up from last night's beerfest so they can defend themselves.

WHAT!?!?!


Did YOU really just post that... the part about spending money / wasting time / and hitting a real track....


Get real GW. Go back and check the start dates of their build threads. 09 and 07, respectively. :grouphug:

(although I'm no better :lol:)

[intocarss]

Seems to be moving under its own power :welcome3:
CSznxSKrqls

[Ron in SoCal]

Update time! So many killer builds going on and SEMA coming up, it's a great time of the year :BlahBlah:

Since my last adventure, I had gotten the rear main seal and the pressure side of the rack fixed. Steering felt heavy which I really prefer, and next up was a few checks to make sure my motor was breathing properly. Spoke to QMP Racing, Mike Norris and a few others. Took the valve cover oil fill cap off – no vacuum. Took the Norris can off, less than an ounce of oil in the can. Took the lines off and ran the car, no excessive vacuum or oil burp. Took the Peterson breather off, same deal. This motor is breathing as it should I think.

After my last Auto-X I had also done a few other changes to the car. I felt like after all this, there’s gotta be more handling in the car or we’ve all been snookered by these high dollar PT parts! :D I had my subframe modified to get more positive caster. I also set my camber at -2* with .5* gain per inch (max two inches in compression); again thanks to David Pozzi and Matt Jones at AME. I also upped the spring rates front and rear and reset my swaybars. Lastly as I had mentioned, new Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Just an edumacated guess these changes would help! :idea:

[Ron in SoCal]

This past Sunday I was registered for Speedventures at the Fontana Roval. I spent Saturday doing a nut/bolt check, (over) packing what I thought I needed and dropped the car off in the Fontana garage. Since Torino man lives closer and registration opened at 7:am, I spent the night at his house. Beers, dinner and off to bed for a 6:a wake up call.

Next morning, I do the drivers meeting, refer to Ron Sutton’s shock settings, check my tire pressures and hope for the best on an untested new set up. I hop in a c6 z51 w r888s for a ride along. ‘Klaus’ the driver absolutely kills it. Ran a 2:00 lap hitting a buck sixty on the high banks. I’m thinking, NO WAY my car has this much grip. I was right too :lol:

Then it’s my turn. Two laps with Klaus riding along and he gets out and says I’ve got the line and I’m ready. First lap, I get black flagged for entering the track to early. Session over and I'm a dumbass. But the car felt f’n GREAT!

Next session, after one warm up lap I get meatballed. Leaking they say. I go back to the pits and the car is bone dry. Rob was there by this time and we do a check. The only thing it could be is my fuel vent. We leave the track at lunch and burn off some fuel, come back for the third session and tell the official there’s no leak. She checks and says you’re good to go. I get staged fourth behind a fully race prepped caddy challenge car, an Audi S5 and an Infinity. One warm up lap, one hot lap and the caddy is gone but I’m right on the other two. Of course, track officials meatball me again for fuel, we pull in and sure enough there’s a puddle. This time, we pull in the pits and ponder a fix or calling it a day. The fuel vent is leaking right above my tailpipe on a 100* day, so this isn’t funny anymore. On the trailer with only two real hot laps for the day? F’that Rob says. We crawl under the car and spent an hour re-routing the vent line so it exits the tank into a 90 and then uphill. Problem solved.

Final session. I’m now staged twelfth. With the problem now fixed I get my first full session. By the first lap, six cars are gone. I’m not sure if they left my group in the dust or exited the track but we never saw them agin. It’s now me and the top two in my group and a race spec Miata. I gave the Miata a point by, and he returned the favor. One lap I hit 127 on the straight. What a rush on the high banks! The Miata and one other car drops off and now it’s just me and the top guy in my group. He did not shake me off his tail so I felt pretty good. Top lap was a 2:!7 and I’m sure I left five seconds out there. Not bad for just one full session (six laps?) plus two hot laps earlier in the day. I’d say the car got it’s mojo back and the wingnut driver is not far behind.

Some pics:

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:cheers:

 

[HBRod]

That is a good report on progress with the car. Glad you were able to get a full session in on such a hot day. After reading the entire thread on the car and the challenges you've worked through you definitely have to be feeling pretty good now. So way to go.

Rod

[GregWeld]

Good!! Now, sign up for Thunderhill so I can give you a good Klausing!



Seriously though --- this is good to hear that she's finally all coming together.

If you were hauling Rob around --- that's costing you 17 seconds easily.

[Ron Sutton]

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From these photos, the car looks like it was tight/pushy in the middle of the tighter turns ... and therefore probably loose on the exits of those same turns.

Correct ?

[Ron in SoCal]

That is a good report on progress with the car. Glad you were able to get a full session in on such a hot day. After reading the entire thread on the car and the challenges you've worked through you definitely have to be feeling pretty good now. So way to go.

Rod

Thanks Rod. Yes it has been a lot, but every car needs sorting unless you're a GM engineer and on your 15th build. Keep pluggin' away man :cheers:

Good!! Now, sign up for Thunderhill so I can give you a good Klausing!



Seriously though --- this is good to hear that she's finally all coming together.

If you were hauling Rob around --- that's costing you 17 seconds easily.

Yep, that big giant white helmet makes me look small :lol:

Thanks buddy! :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

From these photos, the car looks like it was tight/pushy in the middle of the tighter turns ... and therefore probably loose on the exits of those same turns.

Correct ?



Correct Ron. Turn in was fantastic, middle just a bit tight and just slightly loose on exit in very tight corners but completely controllable with the go pedal. I know there's a ways to go on tuning (I didn't change the shock settings once) but the car is much easier to drive as I was hoping it'd be and my goal was seat time and coming home safe.

I have some blurry pics I'll email you that shows the contact patch better.

Thanks RS!

Oh and I need better brake pads Ron.

[intocarss]

Glad you took it out and played with her

[efs69]

Good deal Ron. Sounds like you had a good time out there. Any video? Those were nice camera shots.

[tubbed69]

Glad your getting to enjoy it Ron.looks great on the track:king:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Nice going Ron!!!

I thought you would be running a IÍ much vent canister?

Good for Robs tenacity to giter dun

[FETorino]

Good!! Now, sign up for Thunderhill so I can give you a good Klausing!



Seriously though --- this is good to hear that she's finally all coming together.

If you were hauling Rob around --- that's costing you 17 seconds easily.


:twak: Hey what's an extra 215 lbs. You meant to say if he wasn't hauling me aroung he would have missed the entire last session and not had any speed info to post:D


From these photos, the car looks like it was tight/pushy in the middle of the tighter turns ... and therefore probably loose on the exits of those same turns.

Correct ?



If he tried tuning the car after his initial 2 lap sessions I would have smacked him upside the head. :lmao: Bad Ron you are allowed one initial tuning adjustment before your next outing but at the track only tire pressure monitoring for now. :buttkick: :lmao: :lmao:

Seat time buddy, seat time.


Good deal Ron. Sounds like you had a good time out there. Any video? Those were nice camera shots.

First I need to bust Ron's chops. :mock: He was a spaz and drained the battery on his GoPro before he ever got a chance to turn it on.

He had Harry's lap timer on his phone but didn't try and fire it up till the last session. Last minuet and he gives up on it and say F it, so I said hand me the phone. BTW he did get some lap times and speeds off Harry's. Your welcome Bad Ron.

That stupid fuel vent cost him two sessions of practice so the last session was his only opportunity to start to learn the track and explore the capabilities of his car. It also meant I had to get my hands dirty and spill gas on me while I crawled under the dam thing. :shakehead:

Add to that he was gridded at the back of the entire group and the first couple laps he had the "Meatball" stress factor weighing on him.

So in fairness. Ron actually was pretty composed in his $$$$$ baby on a big track with an untested setup. Was he a spaz in between, of course,:willy: but when it was go time he drove really well. Smooth on the brakes and turn in and throttle. Concentrated on his lines and was pretty dam consistent at executing them while creeping up on the speed.

I'd give Bad Ron an A- for the day. He showed a good combination of Balls, common sense and some skill.

Unlike the d:censored: e who took his new dialed from the factory 911 scalpel home on a flatbed with two smashed wheel multiple smashed body panels and who knows what else; Ron ran some composed respectable laps, learned the basic lines of the track and got a sense of what his car is doing out there.

It was a great time buddy, glad I got to tag along.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

[efs69]

Nice review Rob!! In fairness to Ron I did the same at my first event in regards to the camera and such. At least you were around to help him through.

[Greg from Aus]

Shame about the start of the day, but great to see it ended great, really please to see you out there having fun Ron:thumbsup:

The car looks killer.

[Sieg]

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/BlueTurn13NIC_4784-Oct0514_zps34c4bd64.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/BlueTurn13NIC_4784-Oct0514_zps34c4bd64.jpg.html)

Awesome Ron!!! :thumbsup:

PS - You'd be faster through that section if you'd get a knee down.

http://sieg.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Track-Day/KTM-Fontana-2011/i-95Th25B/1/L/CP4_7262-L.jpg

:mock:

[Ron in SoCal]

Glad you took it out and played with her

Thx J-Dog. Next stop Streets beginning of November. You're coming. :cheers:

Good deal Ron. Sounds like you had a good time out there. Any video? Those were nice camera shots.

Hey Ef! No vid. I was waiting for the full session and then the battery died. True story :lol:

Hope you're doing well Bro.

Glad your getting to enjoy it Ron.looks great on the track:king:

Really appreciate that Jeff. She's an e-ticket!

Nice going Ron!!!

I thought you would be running a IÍ much vent canister?

Good for Robs tenacity to giter dun

Hey Vin, yes it's a II Much. The vent line runs out the center of the Rick's tank into a 270* swivel pointing downward. Fuel slosh ran down the line to the canister which is mounted toward the tail panel. We reversed the line so that line out of the tank goes to a 90 and upward. The canister is made for vapor not liquid I guess ... :headscratch:

Oh and Rob is tenacious. That can be good or bad, depending on if you're arguing with him :confused18: :D

[Ron in SoCal]

:twak: Hey what's an extra 215 lbs. You meant to say if he wasn't hauling me aroung he would have missed the entire last session and not had any speed info to post:D


If he tried tuning the car after his initial 2 lap sessions I would have smacked him upside the head. :lmao: Bad Ron you are allowed one initial tuning adjustment before your next outing but at the track only tire pressure monitoring for now. :buttkick: :lmao: :lmao:

Seat time buddy, seat time.


First I need to bust Ron's chops. :mock: He was a spaz and drained the battery on his GoPro before he ever got a chance to turn it on.

He had Harry's lap timer on his phone but didn't try and fire it up till the last session. Last minuet and he gives up on it and say F it, so I said hand me the phone. BTW he did get some lap times and speeds off Harry's. Your welcome Bad Ron.

That stupid fuel vent cost him two sessions of practice so the last session was his only opportunity to start to learn the track and explore the capabilities of his car. It also meant I had to get my hands dirty and spill gas on me while I crawled under the dam thing. :shakehead:

Add to that he was gridded at the back of the entire group and the first couple laps he had the "Meatball" stress factor weighing on him.

So in fairness. Ron actually was pretty composed in his $$$$$ baby on a big track with an untested setup. Was he a spaz in between, of course,:willy: but when it was go time he drove really well. Smooth on the brakes and turn in and throttle. Concentrated on his lines and was pretty dam consistent at executing them while creeping up on the speed.

I'd give Bad Ron an A- for the day. He showed a good combination of Balls, common sense and some skill.

Unlike the d:censored: e who took his new dialed from the factory 911 scalpel home on a flatbed with two smashed wheel multiple smashed body panels and who knows what else; Ron ran some composed respectable laps, learned the basic lines of the track and got a sense of what his car is doing out there.

It was a great time buddy, glad I got to tag along.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

It was great having you out there Bro. Appreciate the hospitality too. Now get your fargin car done so I can fix your **** ups while you concentrate on the ride. :lol: :cheers:

Tenacious. Fact.

Nice review Rob!! In fairness to Ron I did the same at my first event in regards to the camera and such. At least you were around to help him through.

Dude's head is swelling right now Efrain.

[Ron in SoCal]

Shame about the start of the day, but great to see it ended great, really please to see you out there having fun Ron:thumbsup:

The car looks killer.

Hey Greg! You are going to love it when you're done. Our set ups are close enough to compare notes :thumbsup:

Awesome Ron!!! :thumbsup:

PS - You'd be faster through that section if you'd get a knee down.

http://sieg.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Track-Day/KTM-Fontana-2011/i-95Th25B/1/L/CP4_7262-L.jpg

:mock:

The more you drink, the faster you were? Body parts and all??

Lol, thx Siegmeister :cheers:

[FETorino]

It was great having you out there Bro. Appreciate the hospitality too. Now get your fargin car done so I can fix your **** ups while you concentrate on the ride. :lol: :cheers:

Tenacious. Fact.



Ron's head is swelling right now Efrain.

Fixed it for you.:bitchslap:

[Sieg]

The more you drink, the faster you were? Body parts and all??

Lol, thx Siegmeister :cheers:
In your crowd Coors Light doesn't constitute as drinking does it? :sieg:

But yeah my 2 wheel fast days are pretty much behind me. :shakehead: It was cool seeing your car in a corner I was familiar with though.

Glad you got some shakedown time in, hopefully Streets will involve more tire wear and fuel consumption..........through the engine anyway. :D

[GregWeld]

Just a note about the motorcycle pic and the pic of BR's Camaro.... One of them is much nearer the apex/corner marks than the other. Which makes a huge difference on the exit... Can you tell which one?!?!? LOL

I think he was doing a very good job all things considered.

[Flash68]

Rob tried to use his phone again for something other than talking. And look what happened. :smiley_smack:

O7u2UrLQkug

[tones2SS]

Rob tried to use his phone again for something other than talking. And look what happened. :smiley_smack:
O7u2UrLQkug

HA HAAAAAA
:badidea:

[Richio1]

Wooooo hooooo. Good for you Ron. Great to see you out there putting some laps on her. All the hard work is paying off.

[Track Junky]

Awesome Ron. Been there many times.....do a couple laps then bring her back in for something.
Keep up the good work. See you out there soon :thumbsup:

[David Pozzi]

Way to go RON!

[Ricochet]

Nice to see you at flogging it around! Looks killer!

[Spiffav8]

Rob tried to use his phone again for something other than talking. And look what happened. :smiley_smack:

O7u2UrLQkug

This is like one of those spy photos that doesn't prove anything. There's no way of knowing who's car that really is.

:lol:

[Sieg]

Just a note about the motorcycle pic and the pic of BR's Camaro.... One of them is much nearer the apex/corner marks than the other. Which makes a huge difference on the exit... Can you tell which one?!?!? LOL

I think he was doing a very good job all things considered.

LOL.......the one that's cutting a 69" wide swath through the turn?

The car's attitude looks pretty good for a first-timer. :thumbsup:

[SSLance]

Who here hasn't drained the battery on their camera before getting any useable video of a big day? :bang:

That will come in due time, best to worry about the things that really matter first and get those jitters out of the way. Congrats on getting her out on the track and getting some laps in Ron, it only gets better from here on.

[Ron in SoCal]

Wooooo hooooo. Good for you Ron. Great to see you out there putting some laps on her. All the hard work is paying off.

Thanks Jeff! I'm addicted. So much fun :thumbsup:

Awesome Ron. Been there many times.....do a couple laps then bring her back in for something.
Keep up the good work. See you out there soon :thumbsup:

Looking forward to it Brother! :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Way to go RON!

David you're always there for me with a wealth of knowledge. You and Mary are such an asset to this community! Many thanks :cheers:

Nice to see you at flogging it around! Looks killer!

Thank you Brent! Your project is looking killer Sir.

[Ron in SoCal]

This is like one of those spy photos that doesn't prove anything. There's no way of knowing who's car that really is.

:lol:

^ Conspiracy theorist w a muscle car and rifle. Where do I sign up? :lol:

LOL.......the one that's cutting a 69" wide swath through the turn?

The car's attitude looks pretty good for a first-timer. :thumbsup:

So true, but the pic clearly shows you deeper in the turn. Just sayin' :D

That was 13 I believe. You come in hot off the interior straight, make 12 ok but gotta be careful to set yourself up for it. I f'd that one up more than once.

[Ron in SoCal]

Who here hasn't drained the battery on their camera before getting any useable video of a big day? :bang:

That will come in due time, best to worry about the things that really matter first and get those jitters out of the way. Congrats on getting her out on the track and getting some laps in Ron, it only gets better from here on.

Thanks Lance. One guy on this site has their priorities straight! :lol:

Cheers buddy,

[Sieg]

So true, but the pic clearly shows you deeper in the turn. Just sayin' :D

That was 13 I believe. You come in hot off the interior straight, make 12 ok but gotta be careful to set yourself up for it. I f'd that one up more than once.
LOL! OK, lets compare the CG to apex. :lol:

I'm guessing we were running the same configuration.......awkward 180* right hander, onto the straight with the mini kink, the under the bridge into this quick right/left series.

Here's my vid for config confirmation: http://youtu.be/bSUA-No8CYU

[Payton King]

Finally get back on the site and I see this. Where is the love and the "on site" updates from the track? Last time I checked the text train is alive and well.

Congrats! Big day for you. Looking forward to seeing you more on the track and less at the cruise in. LOL

[Ron in SoCal]

LOL! OK, lets compare the CG to apex. :lol:

I'm guessing we were running the same configuration.......awkward 180* right hander, onto the straight with the mini kink, the under the bridge into this quick right/left series.

Here's my vid for config confirmation: http://youtu.be/bSUA-No8CYU

Nice vid Scotty! You were running a slightly diff course, but 13 is the same corner:

http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Guest-Guide/Track-Maps.aspx

I also checked the 'fast line' map and you nailed it way better than I did. :cheers:

Finally get back on the site and I see this. Where is the love and the "on site" updates from the track? Last time I checked the text train is alive and well.

Congrats! Big day for you. Looking forward to seeing you more on the track and less at the cruise in. LOL

LOL, sorry Payton. There wasn't much time for the train.

I already ordered track pads for another outing. Now I've gotta find time to get in the garage and sort a growing punchlist!

[Sieg]

So you got to run the banking of T1 & T2?!!!

[Ron in SoCal]

So you got to run the banking of T1 & T2?!!!

Yeah buddy! It was an incredible rush!!

[Payton King]

Better pads will make a huge difference

[intocarss]

Yeah buddy! It was an incredible rush!!

Did you run this configuration??

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[Flash68]

Did you run this configuration??

pB-Hj8Bf9uE

^^ I think that guy pulled a Cris Gonzalez short cut at the 6:28 mark. :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

That is the config. They call it the Sports Car course. That guy was running two minute laps about half way through. Good stuff...

[Vince@Meanstreets]

^^ I think that guy pulled a Cris Gonzalez short cut at the 6:28 mark. :lol:

what? Why did he run over weld? It went by too fast. :bump:

[Sieg]

Yeah buddy! It was an incredible rush!!
You dog! That had to be good rush!

A typical lap had me hitting 160+ over the finish stripe, the rush for me was under braking as you had to scrub 60 mph on the banking to make the chicane on the pit-out section. That's where bikes are scary fun to me.

Get that thing prepped for Streets so you can get comfy with it!

[Lenie]

Ron, long time coming. Great to see you out in it can't wait to see it in person, Congrats man turned out spectacular.

[Vegas69]

Good for you, buddy.

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron, long time coming. Great to see you out in it can't wait to see it in person, Congrats man turned out spectacular.

Thx Lenie, see you at SEMA! :cheers:

Good for you, buddy.

Appreciate it Todd. Get you butt out here and drive it :D

[Track Junky]

Did you run this configuration??

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Great vid Jer. That car sounds sweet :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Thx Lenie, see you at SEMA! :cheers:



Appreciate it Todd. Get you butt out here and drive it :D

That offer just may get cashed in... Drove Cole's car last week. It's more fun to drive somebody else's car. :lol:

[Penny]

Yeah he did! Wet his whistle too!

[intocarss]

Great vid Jer. That car sounds sweet :thumbsup: It's a truck!!!!:bitchslap: ;) Powerglide w/ a gear vendor OD

[Track Junky]

It's a truck!!!!:bitchslap: ;)

:lol: Oh.......Well I couldn't have been the only one that hadn't noticed. :headscratch:

Sure was fun as hell watching that thing eat a Viper for lunch and a couple of Porsche's for dessert :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

:lol: Oh.......Well I couldn't have been the only one that hadn't noticed. :headscratch:

Sure was fun as hell watching that thing eat a Viper for lunch and a couple of Porsche's for dessert :thumbsup: Just giving you a hard time

[snappytravis]

Your car is looking good Ron, I haven't been on here for a while but everytime I do I find myself checking out your ride. Looks Kick Azz Man.
Good Job Ron

[Ron in SoCal]

Thx Trav! See you at SEMA?

[G4CERAT]

Hey Ron...Any vids of the car at speed? Want to hear that thing scream...straights, turns...whatever! Maybe a burnout vid?? haha

Thanks man!

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Dan,

No big track vid just yet. When I mount the GoPro outside the car the sound is awful. The camera is not rocking inside the case and my firmware is up to date. I called GP tech support and although cool guys, they were little help. I watched a bunch of vids on utube and it looks like this is a known/common problem.

The 3+ series can accept an external mic (after you mod the clear case or buy a the new perimeter case, no wonder the stock was rolling), but I think you can't run the mic outside the car for two reasons: 1 - the fluffy mic wind cover will never stay on at speed, and 2 - not sure tech would allow you to have a line running inside the car from the external camera? If 2 is an option I could clip the mic to the sun visor.

Once the mic arrives I'm gonna test mounting locations and see if there's room on the dash. If so, It'll pick up the driver's view and get in car engine sound. I don't have an a-pillar halo so no way to mount it there, and the seatbelt crossbar gives a good view of the cockpit but not really a good viewing angle for the track 'sense of speed' if that makes sense.

If anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear it!

[dontlifttoshift]

Mount the mic in the trunk. No wind noise, just pretty exhaust sounds.

[Ron in SoCal]

Mount the mic in the trunk. No wind noise, just pretty exhaust sounds.

Hey Donny! So I mount the camera on the roof/sail panel or wherever the mic cable reaches and then run the cable inside the trunk. Not a bad ..:idea:

[Chad-1stGen]

Hey Dan,

No big track vid just yet. When I mount the GoPro outside the car the sound is awful. The camera is not rocking inside the case and my firmware is up to date. I called GP tech support and although cool guys, they were little help. I watched a bunch of vids on utube and it looks like this is a known/common problem.

The 3+ series can accept an external mic (after you mod the clear case or buy a the new perimeter case, no wonder the stock was rolling), but I think you can't run the mic outside the car for two reasons: 1 - the fluffy mic wind cover will never stay on at speed, and 2 - not sure tech would allow you to have a line running inside the car from the external camera? If 2 is an option I could clip the mic to the sun visor.

Once the mic arrives I'm gonna test mounting locations and see if there's room on the dash. If so, It'll pick up the driver's view and get in car engine sound. I don't have an a-pillar halo so no way to mount it there, and the seatbelt crossbar gives a good view of the cockpit but not really a good viewing angle for the track 'sense of speed' if that makes sense.

If anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear it!

Hey Ron, I'm not sure what version GoPro you are using as I started on the last page of this thread but you can help a little with noise when mounting externally a couple of ways.

1) Pic a good location. Mounting on the roof above the windshield and on the quarter window of my car (with front window down) are the two worst places for sound at road course speeds. I've found that mounting almost anywhere along the side of the car to be much better with less wind turbulence.

2) If you have an older gopro like mine put a vacuum cap on the two button mounts (especially the forward facing one)

3) Use a button head screw instead of the long plastic thumb screws to mount the camera and attachments.

4) use the least amount of attachment links that you can.

Won't be perfect but it might help you some. Here is an example, still wind turbulence but won't make your ears bleed.
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[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Chad - thanks for the tips! I'm using the 3+ Silver edition.

I'll try the quarter panel mount and see if it's any different. Just for giggles I tested it on the roof of my GF's bemmer after the firmware update and got the same (crappy) sound result.

[snappytravis]

Thx Trav! See you at SEMA?

Yes sir, I will be there, Not going to the dinner but will be at the Optima event can't wait for that. You taking your car?

[GregWeld]

Yes sir, I will be there, Not going to the dinner but will be at the Optima event can't wait for that. You taking your car?




I think you can be banned for that.... WTF!!

[intocarss]

Hey Chad - thanks for the tips! I'm using the 3+ Silver edition.

I'll try the quarter panel mount and see if it's any different. Just for giggles I tested it on the roof of my GF's bemmer after the firmware update and got the same (crappy) sound result.

If you want to run another Gopro, I have one here that you're welcome to use, it's an older model

[G4CERAT]

Hey Dan,

No big track vid just yet. When I mount the GoPro outside the car the sound is awful. The camera is not rocking inside the case and my firmware is up to date. I called GP tech support and although cool guys, they were little help. I watched a bunch of vids on utube and it looks like this is a known/common problem.

The 3+ series can accept an external mic (after you mod the clear case or buy a the new perimeter case, no wonder the stock was rolling), but I think you can't run the mic outside the car for two reasons: 1 - the fluffy mic wind cover will never stay on at speed, and 2 - not sure tech would allow you to have a line running inside the car from the external camera? If 2 is an option I could clip the mic to the sun visor.

Once the mic arrives I'm gonna test mounting locations and see if there's room on the dash. If so, It'll pick up the driver's view and get in car engine sound. I don't have an a-pillar halo so no way to mount it there, and the seatbelt crossbar gives a good view of the cockpit but not really a good viewing angle for the track 'sense of speed' if that makes sense.

If anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear it!

Hey Ron,

I hope something works out for you. (I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for for that vid ;-) It's funny how no one has come out with a direct solution for that same problem we all face. I would expect GP or any camera company that creates products specifically geared toward Motorsports, or any any related events, would have a solid tried and true solution by now.

From experience my buddies and I have found that attaching the mic to the rear bumper /rear valence seems to be one of the better locations. A close friend of mine first tried it at Buttonwillow and ran it for few laps with good results. I wonder if you could squeeze that by tech inspection on some of of the events you you attend. I would think that if the mic was attached as sturdy as anything else that it should be allowed. Logically it would be no different than say, a side view mirror... Right? At least, I personally, would argue that with a tech. Wait, do they make you take off side view mirrors? Haha.

[Sieg]

Ron - One thing I've noticed in the AMA Motocross series is none of the riders are using the waterproof case on their helmet mounted cameras. I'm guessing that's to improve audio performance though I haven't tried using the frame mount yet: http://shop.gopro.com/mounts/the-frame/ANDFR-301.html#/start=1

The skeleton case helps to some degree but I still think the only way to get halfway decent audio is utilizing a remote mic interior mounted.

You also might try performing another firmware upgrade as a form of reboot. I doubt the camera corrupts itself but........?

[Ron in SoCal]

Yes sir, I will be there, Not going to the dinner but will be at the Optima event can't wait for that. You taking your car?

I was thinking about it, but no. I'm not bucking for an Optima invite this year and the only upside would be driving to the event. Since it's a new venue I have no idea if I can get it inside. In prior years I helped out with the camera crew and drove right in but this year the Mav crew is handling the duties so I get to actually watch the whole event.

I think you can be banned for that.... WTF!!

Ban him! :warning: :D

[Ron in SoCal]

If you want to run another Gopro, I have one here that you're welcome to use, it's an older model

Thanks JD. Wouldn't that be funny if the earlier version had better sound? :bang:

Hey Ron,

I hope something works out for you. (I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for for that vid ;-) It's funny how no one has come out with a direct solution for that same problem we all face. I would expect GP or any camera company that creates products specifically geared toward Motorsports, or any any related events, would have a solid tried and true solution by now.

From experience my buddies and I have found that attaching the mic to the rear bumper /rear valence seems to be one of the better locations. A close friend of mine first tried it at Buttonwillow and ran it for few laps with good results. I wonder if you could squeeze that by tech inspection on some of of the events you you attend. I would think that if the mic was attached as sturdy as anything else that it should be allowed. Logically it would be no different than say, a side view mirror... Right? At least, I personally, would argue that with a tech. Wait, do they make you take off side view mirrors? Haha.

As soon as the mic and adapter gets here I'll test different locations. There's gotta be a solution!

Ron - One thing I've noticed in the AMA Motocross series is none of the riders are using the waterproof case on their helmet mounted cameras. I'm guessing that's to improve audio performance though I haven't tried using the frame mount yet: http://shop.gopro.com/mounts/the-frame/ANDFR-301.html#/start=1

The skeleton case helps to some degree but I still think the only way to get halfway decent audio is utilizing a remote mic interior mounted.

You also might try performing another firmware upgrade as a form of reboot. I doubt the camera corrupts itself but........?

No more firmware updates. On your original suggestion I did that with no positive effect. Oh it gets worse...the firmware instructions on the website and linked youtube vid don't work for the 3+ series on up! The SD card is write protected when the camera is plugged directly into the computer. And I see they've updated their website now that I had to F with it for an hour. That was one of my questions during the tech call. Apparently they changed the way the micro SD card works and you need to put it in an adapter then into your PC to transfer files. Yeah, it'd help if they had publicized that somewhere??

Anyway Scotty I'm not buying another case. It's a mic issue and that's gonna be my fix one way or another. I am on strike with their $%^(*+ accessories.

[Rick D]

Ok you are joining the club with Mario and DG on threads from the past!! :thumbsup:

So what's up with this bad boy update us please :poke:

Sorry I can't sleep!!:D

[snappytravis]

I was thinking about it, but no. I'm not bucking for an Optima invite this year and the only upside would be driving to the event. Since it's a new venue I have no idea if I can get it inside. In prior years I helped out with the camera crew and drove right in but this year the Mav crew is handling the duties so I get to actually watch the whole event.



Ban him! :warning: :D

Ha Ha, I just saw this post,, I was there Ron, I went over and visited with GW for a little bit, The race was pretty cool the first time for me, Just a little overwhelming.

I actually may have been Banned from a few places before!