69 Camaro Project - Dead Pool

[KPC67]

Well yippikiyay! thats great to hear Ron.
:gitrdun:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ron,

Good to hear. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

You have to apply for a lost title???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Good to hear buddy! FINALLY!!

That's funny Greg! I had to dig through three manilla folders to find it, so yeah, it was kinda lost. :wacko:

Well yippikiyay! thats great to hear Ron.
:gitrdun:

Thanks Kev! Man posts like my earlier one are always risky; something always goes arwy. But I am so ready to drive it...:drive:

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron,

Good to hear. :thumbsup:

Skippah :hello: :captain:

[Richio1]

Awesome... Can't wait to see & hear it.

[FETorino]

Alright, alright. Big news:

I registered the car!

There. I said it. :D

:headscratch: Is that important ? Mine has been registered since I bought it. :headscratch:

Registered on jackstands is the same as unregistered on jackstands. :underchair:

:cheers:

[intocarss]

:headscratch: Is that important ? Mine has been registered since I bought it. :headscratch:

Registered on jackstands is the same as unregistered on jackstands. :underchair:

:cheers: YUP YUP

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

You have to register abandoned vehicles in California?
:underchair:

[Rick D]

angi1vwUkQc

[GregWeld]

You have to register abandoned vehicles in California?
:underchair:




CLASSIC!!

[tubbed69]

That's sure good news Ron,I am sure it will be be worth the wait:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

I will post a vid as soon as it's driving. :cheers:

Awesome Ron... Looking forward to the video... so close :thumbsup:

:cheers:

[tones2SS]

I will post a vid as soon as it's driving. :cheers:

Great to hear Ron. Can't wait to see and hear the beast up and running about.

[GregWeld]

angi1vwUkQc




^^^^^^^^ What he said! Ya got a plate - now let's use it for something other than patching floorboards!

[Ron in SoCal]

:headscratch: Is that important ? Mine has been registered since I bought it. :headscratch:

Registered on jackstands is the same as unregistered on jackstands. :underchair:

:cheers:

YUP YUP

You have to register abandoned vehicles in California?
:underchair:

angi1vwUkQc

With friends like you guys, who needs...friends? :lol:

Cheers,

[Ron in SoCal]

That's sure good news Ron,I am sure it will be be worth the wait:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Awesome Ron... Looking forward to the video... so close :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Great to hear Ron. Can't wait to see and hear the beast up and running about.

Thx guys. Love it when my REAL friends show up!

:D :peepwall:

[Ron in SoCal]

^^^^^^^^ What he said! Ya got a plate - now let's use it for something other than patching floorboards!

At least you didn't use all CAPS. I'd think you we're YELLING :lol:

[intocarss]

With friends like you guys, who needs...friends? :lol:

Cheers, HEY NOW , WE'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE :snapout: :grouphug: :hello:

Thx guys. Love it when my REAL friends show up!

:D :peepwall: :wrongforum:

[Sieg]

With friends like you guys, who needs...friends? :lol:

Cheers,

Well?

At least the bureaucrats in the people republic are happy with your fee.

I'll be happy when I see a serious burnout video...........with you driving your car!

:D

[OVRKILL]

Thx guys. Love it when my REAL friends show up!

:D :peepwall:

Notice I took my sweet ass time gettin in here....:mock:

[FETorino]

Seems like it's time to just close this thread:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

Seems like it's time to just close this thread:popcorn2:

:stirthepot:

[Ron in SoCal]

Well?

At least the bureaucrats in the people republic are happy with your fee.

I'll be happy when I see a serious burnout video...........with you driving your car!

:D

Coming Sir!

Notice I took my sweet ass time gettin in here....:mock:

As usual :waveflag:

Happy N-Y Brent :cheers:

Seems like it's time to just close this thread:popcorn2:

G*d d**m troublemaker :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

So....there are good days and bad in a build. The highlights are when your car gets out of paint jail, you see your completed motor build on a stand, your first start up and so on. The bad are vendor, technical and mechanical delays, financial and emotional ups and downs and more. Today was one of the good days.

I picked up Robo this morning and we drove down to BoS. When we got there the car was sitting pretty, ready for a test drive – no windows and all.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/d280f25f-a657-4831-9e6f-479055eb1323_zpsd48c98a1.jpg[/URL]

Besides some mechanical issues solved (some not) and there were a couple of additions like boom/dynamat (custom blend, lol), seats mounted and headlight rings installed. Rob also doesn’t fit. He’ll never admit it, but I think he’s ok with it :lol:

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Chevyguy1-3-14_zpsefd484ff.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Chevyguy1-3-14_zpsefd484ff.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0687_zps3ceb8bfd.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0687_zps3ceb8bfd.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0696_zps1e3aec96.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0696_zps1e3aec96.jpg.html)

Then came the moment of truth – my first drive! First time using my GoPro too.

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Looking at the vids it’s hard to pick up the true sound and in car action, but the car is a MONSTER. Sideways in first through third; just touch the throttle and it goes. Also found a waterpump/oil leak and made a mess.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/coolantleak1-3-14_zps09a00976.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/coolantleak1-3-14_zps09a00976.jpg.html)

Oh well, that’s what test drives are for, right?

Idles at 90db too :lol:

Initial driving impressions: brakes are fresh and weak, clutch has about two inches of throw, tires are new and slick, needs a tune badly and the rack is precise but with less driver feedback than I would like. Also a few gremlins lingering. You know what - who f’n cares? I DROVE my CAR :D

After a few turns of the wrench, Matt hopped in and we took another spin. Coolant leak gone, car seems to come off throttle to idle better.

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After that, we did another checklist and hit the road. I couldn’t help but think, it’s been almost four years since I ordered my subframe. In that time there’s been a lot of vendors and shops that helped along the way which I’m very grateful for, but really it’s all the friends I’ve made. Today it was Rob, Matt, Gregg and the text/cell army. I know there’s a long list of issues ahead even before this thing hits the track, but I’m ok with it. Can’t wait in fact. I’m a happy guy.

:cheers:

[65_LS1_T56]

:excited: I'm glad you posted that MAJOR update sooo late, so that us eastern guys get to see it first :thumbsup:

That is the best feeling isn't it? Looks amazing sounds great too. Oh, your first video says its Private...couldn't watch it.

Congratulations Ron!

[intocarss]

Damn tree'd^^^

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks Aaron, best feeling ever! :cheers:

I got home late and took a nap waiting for the vids to upload. Vid should be fixed now :D

Damn tree'd^^^

Aren't you supposed to be sleeping?

[71RS/SS396]

You let Matt and Gregg near your car? Considering the track record those 2 have had with engines lately I'd be afraid something might be contagious! :)

[DOOM]

Ron at the end of the day you wonder whey we even bother to do this crap! But when you get to this point its all worth it!! Hey Rob looks good in the car to!

[GregWeld]

It's what happens when you start a build in 1960... some of the parts rust and freeze up.

[Rick D]

I knew something was going on this morning, I could feel a movement in the force!!! :thumbsup: now I just need to get on my laptop because my iPad still won't show the video!!!

You said it best Ron it's about the friends, the cars are just the bank account sucker!!!

[jarhead]

agree with the other guys, must feel great.

Joe

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

That is firicken awesome Ron! Finally! Still no burnout video for which I'm a bit disappointed but I'll let it fly this time.

The best part wasn't really seeing the car driving down the road but rather your reaction to it. I could just tell by watching how pleased you were and you seemed as giddy as a school girl with the thumbs up and all. What you said at the end of the first video sums it up (and should be in your sig)...."I Fu@$'n love it!"

I can't wait to feel the same about my car.

[Sieg]

You know what - who f’n cares? I DROVE my CAR :D

I couldn’t help but think, it’s been almost four years since I ordered my subframe. In that time there’s been a lot of vendors and shops that helped along the way which I’m very grateful for, but really it’s all the friends I’ve made. Today it was Rob, Matt, Gregg and the text/cell army. I know there’s a long list of issues ahead even before this thing hits the track, but I’m ok with it. Can’t wait in fact. I’m a happy guy.

:cheers:

:excited: :excited: :excited: :grouphug:

Congrats Bro, it sounds nice and healthy. Now get some goggles and get those brakes bedded proper! :D

Save me searching..........rear gear ratio and close or wide ratio tranny?

What model GoPro is it?

[Vegas69]

Congratulations buddy... Sounds pretty good for an oversize V6.

[GregWeld]

Today it was Rob, Matt, Gregg and the text/cell army. I know there’s a long list of issues ahead even before this thing hits the track, but I’m ok with it. Can’t wait in fact. I’m a happy guy.

:cheers:




I woke up to 234 text messages on that "thread" this AM.... Don't any of you girls go to bed??


Signed,

Two G's not Three

[Bryan O]

:thumbsup: :cheers:

[glassman]

Nice......its a great feeling!!!! Hope the rest goes rapidly and your in the drivers seat in the spring....

[GregWeld]

Despite my cutting you zero slack.... It's really fantastic to see this project coming alive!

:thumbsup:

[214Chevy]

Way to go Ron. I could hear the excitement in your voice yesterday when I called you. :headspin: Even Rob was excited, although, he won't admit it. :lol: You said we couldn't hear the car, but I did. And it sounds mean on the video. Love the rumble when you gave it a little more throttle on a few of the take offs from the lights.

[Spiffav8]

Huge day my friend. Congratulations. You deserve it.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[67zo6Camaro]

I woke up to 234 text messages on that "thread" this AM.... Don't any of you girls go to bed??


Signed,

Two G's not Three

No shiat.... same here. I just keep deleting them. What were they all about? lol

[67zo6Camaro]

Ron,

You know I've been a lurker here. Usually just checking in to see if it was running.... then sadly turned away to wait another day.


Wow, but not today! I got 2 videos to enjoy. Daaaaammmmm. you hit it out of the park.


As I said before, Congrats big time. Big step forward.

Cheers

[Ron in SoCal]

You let Matt and Gregg near your car? Considering the track record those 2 have had with engines lately I'd be afraid something might be contagious! :)

Yeah crazy I know Tim. :lol: Those two were around when I started this build so it's only fitting. Plus Kiwi has HP Tuners :ohsnap:

Ron at the end of the day you wonder whey we even bother to do this crap! But when you get to this point its all worth it!! Hey Rob looks good in the car to!

Yep Mario, lots of head pounding along the way. Remember American Powertrain! The big milestones make it all better though :cough,cough:

It's what happens when you start a build in 1960... some of the parts rust and freeze up.

Ah-ha, and that ladies and gentlemen is how you get to 13k posts. :welder:

[Ron in SoCal]

I knew something was going on this morning, I could feel a movement in the force!!! :thumbsup: now I just need to get on my laptop because my iPad still won't show the video!!!

You said it best Ron it's about the friends, the cars are just the bank account sucker!!!

Rick I downloaded Google Chrome. At least you can see vids.:cheers:

agree with the other guys, must feel great.

Joe

Hey thanks Joe. I am a closet Torino fan now, so keep plugging away! :thumbsup:

That is firicken awesome Ron! Finally! Still no burnout video for which I'm a bit disappointed but I'll let it fly this time.

The best part wasn't really seeing the car driving down the road but rather your reaction to it. I could just tell by watching how pleased you were and you seemed as giddy as a school girl with the thumbs up and all. What you said at the end of the first video sums it up (and should be in your sig)...."I Fu@$'n love it!"

I can't wait to feel the same about my car.

Master Kenobi. We went and had a beer in your honor right afterward :D

Yeah I was a little kid yesterday (when you turn 50 you don't get too many of those days). Almost didn't go out for a second putt after the water pump but was glad I did. First one was almost sensory overload and I was hyper-careful, second one started to feel like old friends and I like "oh man, can't wait to pound on this bad boy!" :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

:excited: :excited: :excited: :grouphug:

Congrats Bro, it sounds nice and healthy. Now get some goggles and get those brakes bedded proper! :D

Save me searching..........rear gear ratio and close or wide ratio tranny?

What model GoPro is it?

Thx Scotty. The motor (when not missing) is really fun. I spoke to Rick at Baer and he said to take it easy on the brakes and get that gook (zinc) off them before bedding. First I had heard, but he suggested 200 miles before serious bedding.

The rear is a 3.70 and the maggie is a close ratio. GF bought me the GoPro 3+ Silver. Matt was real impressed with the iPhone controls :lol:, but the playback is very cool.

Congratulations buddy... Sounds pretty good for an oversize V6.

Thank you Sir, and thanks for your help! I know it doesn't make the 666hp and 6gooblety2 ft lbs, but I'll take it :lol:

I woke up to 234 text messages on that "thread" this AM.... Don't any of you girls go to bed??


Signed,

Two G's not Three

Yep, you almost have to turn it off during dinner. Plus Gae and Vince have that Bro-mance thing going on :lmao:

[Ron in SoCal]

:thumbsup: :cheers:

Thx B :thumbsup:

Nice......its a great feeling!!!! Hope the rest goes rapidly and your in the drivers seat in the spring....

Thx Mike!

Despite my cutting you zero slack.... It's really fantastic to see this project coming alive!

:thumbsup:

Who we gonna laugh at, if not me? Oh, wait, that's right Gordon hangs out here too :lol: Seeya at the GNRS 2G :cheers:

Way to go Ron. I could hear the excitement in your voice yesterday when I called you. :headspin: Even Rob was excited, although, he won't admit it. :lol: You said we couldn't hear the car, but I did. And it sounds mean on the video. Love the rumble when you gave it a little more throttle on a few of the take offs from the lights.

Great talking to you last night Marcus! Giddyup on that motor build, willya? :D :relax:

[Ron in SoCal]

Huge day my friend. Congratulations. You deserve it.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Curtis! I bought some goodies yesterday for our other hobby. :thumbsup:

Ron,

You know I've been a lurker here. Usually just checking in to see if it was running.... then sadly turned away to wait another day.


Wow, but not today! I got 2 videos to enjoy. Daaaaammmmm. you hit it out of the park.


As I said before, Congrats big time. Big step forward.

Cheers

Brett thanks for the text and your fine work on my car. I was thinking of you after the first drive and was sincere in my reply :cheers:

[LS7 Z/28]

Awesome Ron, I bet you can't stop similing and I'm sure it was all worth it. Let the good times roll.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yep, you almost have to turn it off during dinner. Plus Gae and Vince have that Bro-mance thing going on :lmao:

ahh its all teddy bears and flowers till the car gets done, then its gone.


Wait, water and oil?? Ron, you are the Master of Disaster. :bur2:

Congrats on the milestone!!!!

[DaleTx]

Congrats Ron! That’s great to see the video of the very first test drive… priceless. The 427 just sounds awesome…. nothing like a pumped up LS7. Enjoy!

:cheers: :drive:

[KPC67]

Good stuff buddy!
She is a serious car!
You should've had the camera pointed at the passengers, would have liked to see the expressions on your faces.:excited:

[FETorino]

How about a third video.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/Mobile%20Uploads/th_VID_00000001_zps61b4f332.jpg (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/Mobile%20Uploads/VID_00000001_zps61b4f332.mp4)

[Sieg]

Thx Scotty. The motor (when not missing) is really fun. I spoke to Rick at Baer and he said to take it easy on the brakes and get that gook (zinc) off them before bedding. First I had heard, but he suggested 200 miles before serious bedding.

The rear is a 3.70 and the maggie is a close ratio. GF bought me the GoPro 3+ Silver. Matt was real impressed with the iPhone controls :lol:, but the playback is very cool.
Didn't know that about zinc........buy it to wear if off? :sieg: :D

3:70 & CR appears to be the ticket. :thumbsup: 1st - 2nd looked and sounded nice.

Wasn't sure about the audio on the GoPro and I don't trust them! I had to install new firmware in my 3 and it helped the audio a lot. I'd check their website for firmware info. Also, anytime you can run without the waterproof case I would. Especially since they now have protected lenses on the camera. Use this mount: http://gopro.com/camera-mounts/the-frame

Yep, you almost have to turn it off during dinner. Plus Gae and Vince have that Bro-mance thing going on :lmao:

That was definitely some intense Bro-mancing! http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/FeelGood.gif

[morris69]

Congrats on the start up. 4th and goal on the one yard line.......

[Flash68]

Just think... the glass might be installed by 2015! Now that's exciting.

:trophy-1302:

[Musclerodz]

All this excitement made me think it was Tuesday.....

[214Chevy]

...Giddyup on that motor build, willya?

I'm almost half way there. I only hope mine sounds as nice as yours does. :trophy-1302:

[Rybar]

Huge milestone buddy congrats!!! Looks and sounds killer

[tubbed69]

Now thats a great day Ron,sure looks and sounds great.:king:

[Ron Sutton]

Great job my friend. Congrats. You deserve it.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I've dreamt of this day...

:D

[WSSix]

Congrats on test driving the car, Ron. It's always a great day when that happens. Any time I fire up a car after a swap or major overhaul, I get all giddy and nervous like the first time I did it back as a teenager. Fun times. Good luck with the rest of it. :thumbsup:

[canrc]

Yeaaa buddyyyy!!!! That's awesome! Sounds amazing and the seats look ok too :excited: :excited: :excited: -- Congrats!

[frankv11]

Congrats RON
Glad to see that thing running and thanks for the parts, forgot to give you positive feed back.

[Lenie]

Sounds killer, gotta be kickazz to drive! Oh happy day.

[Greg from Aus]

Congrats Ron, awesome to see it alive.:bigun2: :bigun2:

[67ragtp]

WOW! Great day. Very happy for you, that thing sounds awesome. Got a ask what cam your running, most ls7s don't have that hot rod lope at idle. Mine is the katech torquer, ground on a 110 with a bunch of overlap, did you use something similar. Curious what the centers are on yours. Really awesome Ron! loved listening to it on that third vid.
:excited:

Great job- Rich

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

The rear is a 3.70 and the maggie is a close ratio.

Ron, What are your 1st through 6th ratios and your rear tire diameter? I'll be running a GTO T56 in mine with the 2.97 first gear and was thinking about rear end gearing myself. I traded the old 1970's truck SBC that came in mine for a 12 bolt posi that I haven't bothered checking the gears in yet. Anyway, I was thinking 3.73 or so would be about right for me.

[Ron in SoCal]

Awesome Ron, I bet you can't stop similing and I'm sure it was all worth it. Let the good times roll.

Yep it was awesome! Thanks Casey :cheers:

ahh its all teddy bears and flowers till the car gets done, then its gone.


Wait, water and oil?? Ron, you are the Master of Disaster. :bur2:

Congrats on the milestone!!!!

Master of something. Feeding the dog, taking out the trash, stuff like that :lol:

Congrats Ron! That’s great to see the video of the very first test drive… priceless. The 427 just sounds awesome…. nothing like a pumped up LS7. Enjoy!

:cheers: :drive:

Thx Dale! They sure are swesome motors :thumbsup:

Good stuff buddy!
She is a serious car!
You should've had the camera pointed at the passengers, would have liked to see the expressions on your faces.:excited:

Ha Kev, I think it wolda been embassasing. Rob's mouth wide open, Matt's eyes wide open and me giggling :D :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats on the start up. 4th and goal on the one yard line.......

Thx Morris!

Just think... the glass might be installed by 2015! Now that's exciting.

:trophy-1302:

2015, huh? That'd be just in time to take a test drive in your economy car!

All this excitement made me think it was Tuesday.....

Monday, I think? :headscratch:

I'm almost half way there. I only hope mine sounds as nice as yours does. :trophy-1302:

I made some calls for you Bro. Should be able to comfirm numbers next week! :G-Dub:

[Ron in SoCal]

Huge milestone buddy congrats!!! Looks and sounds killer

Thanks Ry! It is huge :)

Now thats a great day Ron,sure looks and sounds great.:king:

Thx Jeff! :cheers:

I've dreamt of this day...

:D

Skip you kill me! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Ron in SoCal]

Great job my friend. Congrats. You deserve it.

Thanks for all your help Ron! Once I shake out the cobbwebs, the real fun begins. Clear off the guest room sofa :lol: :cheers:

[Track Junky]

Well Ronny, if I wasn't in on the minute by minute text chat updates I would have posted a congrats here a long time ago.
When Rob posted that leak I almost turned off my phone off. It looked bad from the photos and I didn't want to know. Thank God it was minor.

So heres to you Buddy :cheers: Congrats and thanks for sharing your world. Its a fun place to be. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats on test driving the car, Ron. It's always a great day when that happens. Any time I fire up a car after a swap or major overhaul, I get all giddy and nervous like the first time I did it back as a teenager. Fun times. Good luck with the rest of it. :thumbsup:

Thx Trey! :cheers:

Yeaaa buddyyyy!!!! That's awesome! Sounds amazing and the seats look ok too :excited: :excited: :excited: -- Congrats!

Thx Raj! You're my 'amenities supplier/consultant' :lol: :cheers:

Congrats RON
Glad to see that thing running and thanks for the parts, forgot to give you positive feed back.

No need Frankie. Glad i got to see the killer work you're doing on your project and meet your beautiful family. Now go finish it please! :wow:

Sounds killer, gotta be kickazz to drive! Oh happy day.

Thx Lenie, you remember your first drive? Man what a feeling! :cheers:

Congrats Ron, awesome to see it alive.:bigun2: :bigun2:

Thx mate! It's almost as fun as your car will be :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

WOW! Great day. Very happy for you, that thing sounds awesome. Got a ask what cam your running, most ls7s don't have that hot rod lope at idle. Mine is the katech torquer, ground on a 110 with a bunch of overlap, did you use something similar. Curious what the centers are on yours. Really awesome Ron! loved listening to it on that third vid.
:excited:

Great job- Rich

Thank you Rich. Your car, and many others were a great inspiration for me here. That's what makes this site killer. PM sent ::thumbsup: Sir.

Ron, What are your 1st through 6th ratios and your rear tire diameter? I'll be running a GTO T56 in mine with the 2.97 first gear and was thinking about rear end gearing myself. I traded the old 1970's truck SBC that came in mine for a 12 bolt posi that I haven't bothered checking the gears in yet. Anyway, I was thinking 3.73 or so would be about right for me.

OBK, go here and click on the technical specs tab:
http://www.tremec.com/menu.php?m=104

Third one down is the close ratio gear set. 2.66 first makes for a nice launch vs the 2.97. I'm running a Nitto NT05 335/30x19 tire which is 27.1" tall IIRC. 3.73 should be perfect, although 6th becomes a tall highway gear (i.e. 80 mph at about 1800 - 2000 rpms).

Well Ronny, if I wasn't in on the minute by minute text chat updates I would have posted a congrats here a long time ago.
When Rob posted that leak I almost turned off my phone off. It looked bad from the photos and I didn't want to know. Thank God it was minor.

So heres to you Buddy :cheers: Congrats and thanks for sharing your world. Its a fun place to be. :thumbsup:

Gaetano, thank you but it's not my world it's ours. The fun we have is all a part of the great group of people we've been fortunate enough to meet in this hobby. It's not just that we all share the same addiction, really some special people (like you and the others) I would be proud to call friends even if we didn't have cars in common. 2014's gonna be a great time :cheers:

Oh that leak. Man I could've avoided it if I wasn't in such a rush to drive it. Thank god a shock didn''t fall off :lol:

[Sieg]

It's such a wonderful feeling to have a car that actually runs.

[GregWeld]

It's such a wonderful feeling to have a car that actually runs.




Too bad you're in the minority.....

[whytry]

Huge inspiration here!!! There's hope for me n WhyTry yet!!! Mines been down for 3 yrs. but after following this tread keeps me hopeful!!!

[Ron in SoCal]

Huge inspiration here!!! There's hope for me n WhyTry yet!!! Mines been down for 3 yrs. but after following this tread keeps me hopeful!!!

There you go man! Single Dad here too. The more you try to do, the more you can do.

Keep at it! :thumbsup: :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Huge inspiration here!!! There's hope for me n WhyTry yet!!! Mines been down for 3 yrs. but after following this tread keeps me hopeful!!!



Plenty of hope for you! 3 years? That's nothing compared to how long this build has been going on.... We count decades in this thread.

[Ron in SoCal]

Plenty of hope for you! 3 years? That's nothing compared to how long this build has been going on.... We count decades in this thread.

...and you'll be collecting social security by the time we hit the track together... (pffft, I might be too!) :lol:

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

...and you'll be collecting social security by the time we hit the track together... (pffft, I might be too!) :lol:

:cheers:



Well --- as you well know -- I hope that's not true... but it's sure fun to poke fun while this is all going on!


I don't think you're very far from having a done, kick ass, car... Maybe a decade or so ahead of a Torino and a Camaro painted to look like a Ford.

[intocarss]

I don't think you're very far from having a done, kick ass, car... Maybe a decade or so ahead of a Torino and a Camaro painted to look like a Ford. DAMN..........Got tree'd again

[Sieg]

...and you'll be collecting social security by the time we hit the track together... (pffft, I might be too!) :lol:

:cheers:

What could possibly be better than paying track day entry fees and buying race gas with social security money?

[fleetus macmullitz]

I subscribe to this thread to get Greg's status reports and opinions on Rob's and Flash's builds...

:thankyou:

[Richio1]

Hey Ron, Congrats!

That is awesome. It's like being a little kid on Christmas morning.

Car sounds great. I got a 3+ Silver too and am working on editing a couple vids. It's going to be fun to figure out how to shoot some cool videos with the cars.

I know what you mean about sounding like a monster, love that Borla exhaust. Just wait until you get to really hammer it and take her though the gears. Exhilarating :headspin:

Looking forward to seeing more. The end in near....

[GregWeld]

I subscribe to this thread to get Greg's status reports and opinions on Rob's and Flash's builds...

:thankyou:




I subscribe to this thread just to mark time until I collect Social Security....

[Payton King]

Congrats Ron!

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

OBK, go here and click on the technical specs tab:
http://www.tremec.com/menu.php?m=104

Third one down is the close ratio gear set. 2.66 first makes for a nice launch vs the 2.97. I'm running a Nitto NT05 335/30x19 tire which is 27.1" tall IIRC. 3.73 should be perfect, although 6th becomes a tall highway gear (i.e. 80 mph at about 1800 - 2000 rpms).

Thanks, I didn't know which one the "close ratio" was.

I'm pretty sure mine should be:
2.97:1-2.07:1-1.43:1-1.00:1-0.84:1-0.56:1

So, I've got trouble on both ends. :headspin: A useless 1st gear is probably better than an extra tall highway gear though so maybe I should go with a little higher numerical rear end gear.

Thanks!

[Flash68]

OBK, go here and click on the technical specs tab:
http://www.tremec.com/menu.php?m=104

Third one down is the close ratio gear set. 2.66 first makes for a nice launch vs the 2.97. I'm running a Nitto NT05 335/30x19 tire which is 27.1" tall IIRC. 3.73 should be perfect, although 6th becomes a tall highway gear (i.e. 80 mph at about 1800 - 2000 rpms).





I doubt you'll get much use out of 1st gear. :animated_bye_bye_em

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Ron, Congrats!

That is awesome. It's like being a little kid on Christmas morning.

Car sounds great. I got a 3+ Silver too and am working on editing a couple vids. It's going to be fun to figure out how to shoot some cool videos with the cars.

I know what you mean about sounding like a monster, love that Borla exhaust. Just wait until you get to really hammer it and take her though the gears. Exhilarating :headspin:

Looking forward to seeing more. The end in near....

Thanks Jeff! Sounds mean + the car wants to take flight = Monster :lol: :cheers:

I subscribe to this thread just to mark time until I collect Social Security....

" ___________ " (placeholder for smart azz comeback) :sarcasm_smiley:

Congrats Ron!

Thanks Brother. Call me tomorrow...

Thanks, I didn't know which one the "close ratio" was.

I'm pretty sure mine should be:
2.97:1-2.07:1-1.43:1-1.00:1-0.84:1-0.56:1

So, I've got trouble on both ends. :headspin: A useless 1st gear is probably better than an extra tall highway gear though so maybe I should go with a little higher numerical rear end gear.

Thanks!

I ran a couple calcs with some on line gear ratio calculators. Seems like a 4.11 will be good for take off and highway speeds. Check all the gears to be sure.

I doubt you'll get much use out of 1st gear. :animated_bye_bye_em

Just at stop lights and starting lines. If Dr. Renner gets his way, I'll be using it at Good Guys (at least once) :lol:

[chr2002ca]

Third one down is the close ratio gear set. 2.66 first makes for a nice launch vs the 2.97. I'm running a Nitto NT05 335/30x19 tire which is 27.1" tall IIRC. 3.73 should be perfect, although 6th becomes a tall highway gear (i.e. 80 mph at about 1800 - 2000 rpms).


Ron, congrats my friend! Very happy for you. Watched the videos. Awesome. You're definitely on the home stretch. I'm running a 19" rear tire(275/35) with almost the same diameter, that same close ratio Magnum, but my rear is 3.42. At 80 in 6th I think I'm hitting about 2000rpms, maybe 2100. I love 6th actually. I thought it would be too low for highway cruising, but it's actually perfect. I'm loving the 3.42 rear. With the broad torque curve of the 489 and the width-challenged rear tires(275s), that ratio fits perfectly for me. Shift into 2nd at about 55mph and then 2nd gear is a quick blur, and 3rd is interesting also. Can't wait to go for a ride in that beast of yours though. Should be soon! Exciting. :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Finally the maiden voyage. Congrats!

Unless I missed it somewhere, oil leak from...?

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron, congrats my friend! Very happy for you. Watched the videos. Awesome. You're definitely on the home stretch. I'm running a 19" rear tire(275/35) with almost the same diameter, that same close ratio Magnum, but my rear is 3.42. At 80 in 6th I think I'm hitting about 2000rpms, maybe 2100. I love 6th actually. I thought it would be too low for highway cruising, but it's actually perfect. I'm loving the 3.42 rear. With the broad torque curve of the 489 and the width-challenged rear tires(275s), that ratio fits perfectly for me. Shift into 2nd at about 55mph and then 2nd gear is a quick blur, and 3rd is interesting also. Can't wait to go for a ride in that beast of yours though. Should be soon! Exciting. :thumbsup:

Hey Brother! Yeah I bet your traction challenged with those skinnes :D

Interesting point you bring up on rear gearing. The more torque you have the easier it is to go down in rear gearing and let the motor pull. I seem to recall Godfather Stielow runs 3.42s or less. Also, my speedo isn't calibrated yet but with my 3.70s I don't think I'm pulling 55 in first which would be huge! I am surprised you are hitting 2k at 80 though; I would of thought a couple hundred less?

We'll be running together soon CRob :cheers:

Finally the maiden voyage. Congrats!

Unless I missed it somewhere, oil leak from...?

So I got two congrats in two days from you? My brother from another country mother :lol: Oil leak is minor, a fitting I think.

Just think... the glass might be installed by 2015! Now that's exciting.

:trophy-1302:

Is it 2015 yet? :popcorn2:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/shop162_zps3ff9c00e.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/shop162_zps3ff9c00e.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/shop163_zpsd93220d6.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/shop163_zpsd93220d6.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/shop164_zpsa7f5a316.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/shop164_zpsa7f5a316.jpg.html)

Makes my :headspin:

[Payton King]

I am not very bright or use to seeing progress on mine or anyone else's project. It confuses me a little. LOL

[Flash68]

Is it 2015 yet? :popcorn2:


Makes my :headspin:

You and me both. :lol: Lookin good...

Hey where have I seen that paint scheme before? :sieg:

[Track Junky]

Nice Glass!! Think thats the first time Ive ever put a Gl in front of that word before using the phrase.

[chr2002ca]

Hey Brother! Yeah I bet your traction challenged with those skinnes :D

Interesting point you bring up on rear gearing. The more torque you have the easier it is to go down in rear gearing and let the motor pull. I seem to recall Godfather Stielow runs 3.42s or less. Also, my speedo isn't calibrated yet but with my 3.70s I don't think I'm pulling 55 in first which would be huge! I am surprised you are hitting 2k at 80 though; I would of thought a couple hundred less?

We'll be running together soon CRob :cheers:


I'll double check the RPM at 80 next time I'm out. I'm pretty sure it's above 2000. The Nitto website says your NT05 tire diameter is 26.89" whereas my Dunlop ZII's are 26.6", so that's some of the difference right there.

Flush-mount glass looks slick. I know your happy to finally get that nailed. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

I am not very bright or use to seeing progress on mine or anyone else's project. It confuses me a little. LOL

For sure we're related, lol

You and me both. :lol: Lookin good...

Hey where have I seen that paint scheme before? :sieg:

Umm I dunno ? :headscratch: Let's see...James, Lutzy (same color), Cris' Firebird to name a few. Exclusive club (no Ford roof stripes :D)

Nice Glass!! Think thats the first time Ive ever put a Gl in front of that word before using the phrase.

We talk the same language Gae. Add a few brewskis and it gets even better :cheers:

I'll double check the RPM at 80 next time I'm out. I'm pretty sure it's above 2000. The Nitto website says your NT05 tire diameter is 26.89" whereas my Dunlop ZII's are 26.6", so that's some of the difference right there.

Flush-mount glass looks slick. I know your happy to finally get that nailed. :thumbsup:

Thx Chris!

[Flash68]

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=44579

:popcorn2:

[tones2SS]

She's looking good Ron.

[Sieg]

Very nice Ron! :excited:

[waynieZ]

Looking good Ron.

[Ron in SoCal]

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=44579

:popcorn2:

I'm on it.

She's looking good Ron.

Very nice Ron! :excited:

Looking good Ron.

Thanks fellas! :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Shocking, I know...but it's update time.

The last few weeks was mostly harness integration and remote tuning. Man, I am so grateful for Mike Norris and (Gandalf) Gregg Blundel for all their assistance. It kinda went like this:

Problem -> Mike -> Gregg -> new problem -> Mike -> Gregg ...until we ran out of problems. I thought you get a GM computer and custom harness, wire and fire. Uh no, not exactly. Props for the guys that do though!

The punchlist, save one/maybe two items, is done. BoS did a fantastic job putting up with my ideas, suggestions and phone calls. It's been a busy couple of months for me on and off the road and they were a great partner for this stage of the build. The car is as buttoned up as it's gonna be for now. Onto some pics:

Underhood as it should be
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/shop182_zpsa9f7da96.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/shop182_zpsa9f7da96.jpg.html)

Front lexan is in -
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/shop181_zpsd93fd7af.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/shop181_zpsd93fd7af.jpg.html)

Butt shot, possible final ride height?
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/shop170_zpsb4025e35.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/shop170_zpsb4025e35.jpg.html)

This week it's off to Mark at Elegance Interiors and while there Mike will stop in and put a datalog/drive/fine tune on it. BTW, Mark has done a lot of work for hot rod guys in the area and developed a real nice touch for PT cars. He did my buddy Tom's 67 and it came out spectacular. So good in fact, that I might even go for some Street Car points, lol.

:cheers:

[65_LS1_T56]

Looking pretty nice Ron :thumbsup:

[U-turn]

Looks good...

[Rick D]

Wow this really is a long time coming, I still remember when you were looking for a car to build!! Congrats buddy, can't wait to see it rolling down the road finished.

[glassman]

Congrats cause that is just bada$$!! Now go out and enjoy the fruits of your labor.....break that baby in....

[GregWeld]

Awesome Ron! Now go drive that bad boy sideways for about 300 miles!

[Ron in SoCal]

Looking pretty nice Ron :thumbsup:

Thx Aaron! Diggin' your updates these days :cheers:

Looks good...

Your turn U-turn :D

Wow this really is a long time coming, I still remember when you were looking for a car to build!! Congrats buddy, can't wait to see it rolling down the road finished.

Yeah Rick! This project kinda started at your house :D Thx for everything along the way. :cheers:

Congrats cause that is just bada$$!! Now go out and enjoy the fruits of your labor.....break that baby in....

Oh I will :thumbsup:

Awesome Ron! Now go drive that bad boy sideways for about 300 miles!

Thx GW! That's what, the first three road course days? :cheers:

[Vegas69]

Looking good there sir!

[Sieg]

Congrats Ronnie! Can't wait to see some non-incriminating video action. :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

Glad to hear you've got the tune dialed in. I got some tips from Mike Norris when I was planning my build... Great guy.

The engine compartment looks real good. I sure like the looks of the aluminum radiator close out panel... I might try to make something similar if you don't mind.

:cheers:

[canrc]

Looks killer Ron! Congrats Buddy!!

[MX145]

Congrats Ronnie! Can't wait to see some non-incriminating video action. :thumbsup:

Same here! Man that thing is bad azz! :headspin:

[Rybar]

Looks awesome buddy! Shine her up and get a real camera!!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

glass looks great, well worth the time and heartache IMHO

[Ron in SoCal]

Looking good there sir!

Thanks Toddski. Keys are yours if you show up at an event :D

Congrats Ronnie! Can't wait to see some non-incriminating video action. :thumbsup:

Yeah me too Sieg and the GoPro is ready. I do think you need to fly down here and take some pcs/vid. Whaddaya say?

Glad to hear you've got the tune dialed in. I got some tips from Mike Norris when I was planning my build... Great guy.

The engine compartment looks real good. I sure like the looks of the aluminum radiator close out panel... I might try to make something similar if you don't mind.

:cheers:

Dale please do. I will say on the track toy I'm not gonna do it again. I want easy access and serviceablility. :cheers:

[Tom.A]

Awesome. Look forward to seeing it in person

[Lenie]

Hot dammmmmm....in case you didn't hear me the first time....HOT DAMMMMMMMMMMMM!

[Greg from Aus]

Great news Ron, Hot August Nights Maybe? I am thinking about coming over.

[Ron in SoCal]

Looks killer Ron! Congrats Buddy!!

Thx Raj! We gotta meet up soon :cheers:

Same here! Man that thing is bad azz! :headspin:

Appreciate that! Keep pluggin away on the transition :cheers:

Looks awesome buddy! Shine her up and get a real camera!!!

Thx Ry! Needs a good rubbin for sure.

glass looks great, well worth the time and heartache IMHO

Yeah buddy. I'm sure Gaetano will point out his is 'undetectable' :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

Awesome. Look forward to seeing it in person

Thx Tom! Looking forwad to hitting the track with you too. I'll not forget you offering me a ride at RTTC :thumbsup:

Hot dammmmmm....in case you didn't hear me the first time....HOT DAMMMMMMMMMMMM!

Lenie it was great seeing you and your Dad at GNRS. So sorry I couldn't see your car. We gotta fix that pronto! You are gonna drive your car right? :D

Great news Ron, Hot August Nights Maybe? I am thinking about coming over.

Hey Greg! I'd love to see you over here. Not sure I'll take my car up there (yet), but I'm down for a meet ... or Bondurant? :idea:

[DOOM]

Ron it looks spectacular !! I'm lovin it !!!

[frankv11]

Cool deal RON , glad to see some complete pictures, you must be jumping of joy but what are going to do now that you don't have a project ?

[FETorino]

Cool deal RON , glad to see some complete pictures, you must be jumping of joy but what are going to do now that you don't have a project ?

Are you new here:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


^ Sounds like a line from the Blues Brothers :D

So Betsy successfully completed the second leg of her US tour. She's in her current resting place until Davey comes to take her home.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0783_zps5935499f.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0783_zps5935499f.jpg.html)

Thanks Rob for for helping clean the 66. You can put her away wet, but not dirty!

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0782_zps10af8b9f.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0782_zps10af8b9f.jpg.html)

Oh and thx for posting pics of my fat ass :lol:



That's about par for this crowd :lol:

[intocarss]

Car looks awesome Ron congrats..NOW come get some of that Lil white truck!!:stirthepot:

[Flash68]

:gitrdun: Ron! Yeah buddy.

Thanks Toddski. Keys are yours if you show up at an event :D





Why, so you have at least one guaranteed person to finish ahead of? :tv_happy:

Car looks awesome Ron congrats..NOW come get some of that Lil white truck!!:stirthepot:

Now that's what I am talking about. :stirthepot:

[Payton King]

Thought you were going to drive it without interior for a while?

[tubbed69]

Perfect Ron,thats all you can say about it:king:

[GregWeld]

Thought you were going to drive it without interior for a while?




Payton ---- He's worn out two Home Depot buckets in the last 10 years of this build.... don't ya think it about time to sit on some leather and foam??


LOL

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron it looks spectacular !! I'm lovin it !!!

Thx Mario! :cheers:

Cool deal RON , glad to see some complete pictures, you must be jumping of joy but what are going to do now that you don't have a project ?

Wait till Rob gets ahold of this :lol:

I'm coming to your house Frankie to learn how to weld! :weld:


Car looks awesome Ron congrats..NOW come get some of that Lil white truck!!:stirthepot:

Thx Dog. NOW you go get some of that aluminum Jerico! :D

:gitrdun: Ron! Yeah buddy.

Not that's what I am talking about. :stirthepot:

Thx Davey! Beer :goggles:

[Ron in SoCal]

Thought you were going to drive it without interior for a while?

I was Payton, but the shop had an opening and I decided to not corner weight/align twice.

Perfect Ron,thats all you can say about it:king:

Thx Jeff, (taking a page outta your book:) Now where's your update? :cheers:

Payton ---- He's worn out two Home Depot buckets in the last 10 years of this build.... don't ya think it about time to sit on some leather and foam??

LOL

Doesn't everyone build their car at Home Deep?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ron,

The internet was buzzing with rumors today that DP definitely didn't suck.

I see the algore-ites were right.



:D

[Ricochet]

Looks great Ron! No doubt you have to be stoked!

[Matt@BOS]

Payton ---- He's worn out two Home Depot buckets in the last 10 years of this build.... don't ya think it about time to sit on some leather and foam??


LOL

Hahaha, that's funny. You thought Ron only had two Home Depot buckets? I heard that he changes buckets as often as he does wheels.

I bought some buckets from him that were brand new and hadn't been "installed" in his car. Then I turned around and sold them too.

[tones2SS]

She's looking really good Ron.
Nice stance. :thumbsup:

[Bryan O]

:thumbsup: :cheers:

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Holy crap! How did I miss an update to this thread? It must have been going on so long that my subscription ran out.

Now that the engine is tuned up the excuses are running out for the lack of a burnout video.

Meanwhile, this Prius is kicking your butt!

F7Z7fj441xw

[Frankenstine]

That PRIUS got NOS on it lol great Vid :lol:

[Flash68]

Pretty exciting thread.... with the Prius and all.... :sieg:

[Matt@BOS]

Pretty exciting thread.... with the Prius and all.... :sieg:

Should get more exciting soon. I think Ron is quite because he is trying to build up suspense.

*hint* his car left BOS on Monday.

[Ron in SoCal]

She's looking really good Ron.
Nice stance. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: :cheers:

Thanks fellas :thumbsup:

Holy crap! How did I miss an update to this thread? It must have been going on so long that my subscription ran out.

Now that the engine is tuned up the excuses are running out for the lack of a burnout video.

Meanwhile, this Prius is kicking your butt!



No burnout vids. I know that's how you gun toten Wisconsin boys roll, but I'm saving my tires for trackdays. :D :cheers:

Pretty exciting thread.... with the Prius and all.... :sieg:

What Prius? Too busy partying in So Beach to update my thread :lol:

Should get more exciting soon. I think Ron is quite because he is trying to build up suspense.

*hint* his car left BOS on Monday.

Thanks Matt!

Yep, the car is off to interior. We have a somewhat sparse, but nice plan. Fits the car I think :sieg:

MIke Norris showed up at the shop and gave it a good four hours of tuning. He thinks it's 98% until it goes to the dyno for a little under the curve and top end refinement. I feel pretty comfortable it's where it needs to be for break in and early track days. I got a good laugh out out of a couple of his comments:

"She's a real head turner"
"Just a little light on power under 2500"

I know what he meant and totally trust and respect his opinion, but man the car feels lke '650hp/prepare for flight.' :lol:

More to come when I get back in town :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Even when it's all done (IF EVER) the Prius will still probably win -- and I've seen 'em run BACKWARDS on the AutoX cross - faster than this one might be able do it going forward....


Let's hope it turns out to be more reliable than a couple built "professionally" that I can think of.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA










Holy crap! How did I miss an update to this thread? It must have been going on so long that my subscription ran out.

Now that the engine is tuned up the excuses are running out for the lack of a burnout video.

Meanwhile, this Prius is kicking your butt!

F7Z7fj441xw

[Ron in SoCal]

Let's hope it turns out to be more reliable than a couple built "professionally" that I can think of.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

More reliable than at least one (red) car :lol:

[GregWeld]

More reliable than at least one (red) car :lol:




EGG SACK LEE!

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

No burnout vids. I know that's how you gun toten Wisconsin boys roll, but I'm saving my tires for trackdays. :D :cheers:

That's what Cheap/worn tires are for! :snapout:

With the numerous sets of wheels that I've heard you went through with this project I find it hard to believe you don't have some "mock-up" tires around to destroy. :shakehead:

Anyone near Ron have a set of junky tires to loan him for the burnout vid?

[GregWeld]

That's what Cheap/worn tires are for! :snapout:

With the numerous sets of wheels that I've heard you went through with this project I find it hard to believe you don't have some "mock-up" tires around to destroy. :shakehead:

Anyone near Ron have a set of junky tires to loan him for the burnout vid?




Glad you spoke up instead of me! I ride him like a bad donkey.... But I love him like a brother...


Having said that.... I think he might just be afraid of the car.... What do you other fellers think?? :>)

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Having said that.... I think he might just be afraid of the car.... What do you other fellers think?? :>)

Maybe; or maybe having 3 pedals and only 2 feet is just too much of a conundrum to solve in relation to said burn out?

:lmao:

[Ron in SoCal]

Y'all are hilarious.

You win OBWK. When I burn up the tires I'll film a black patch. Then I'm gonna fill up your inbox :D

[Flash68]

But they're just slow crappy inferior NT05's so not to worry..... :hello:

[Ron in SoCal]

But they're just slow crappy inferior NT05's so not to worry..... :hello:

At least I'm not making up for it with gummies. Plus, wait till I start driving it. I've got four years of 'excuses' training saved up :lol:

[Matt@BOS]

But they're just slow crappy inferior NT05's so not to worry..... :hello:

Haha... Ron's been building this car so long he bought tires to mount on his third set of wheels back when NT05s were the sh**

[Matt@BOS]

At least I'm not making up for it with gummies. Plus, wait till I start driving it. I've got four years of 'excuses' training saved up :lol:

Also, per Jimi Day's USCA rules I'm pretty sure excuses are like tires. You aren't allowed to show up with any that are older than three years.

[Sieg]

At least I'm not making up for it with gummies. Plus, wait till I start driving it. I've got four years of 'excuses' training saved up :lol:

.........and when those fail you'll play the Arthritis card.

:peepwall:

[Flash68]

Haha... Ron's been building this car so long he bought tires to mount on his third set of wheels back when NT05s were the sh**

Ron and his tire stash give new meaning to dating a car... :computer:

[Ron in SoCal]

OBWK started a sh#tstorm! Don't you guys work? :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

OBWK started a sh#tstorm! Don't you guys work? : D

Ron,

Define work?

With best regards...


lol

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron,

Define work?

With best regards...


lol

I guess you're right Skip. Working me over is like a job :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I guess you're right Skip. Working me over is like a job :lol:

#FTW!

:hello:

[intocarss]

Glad you spoke up instead of me! I ride him like a bad donkey.... But I love him like a brother...


Having said that.... I think he might just be afraid of the car.... What do you other fellers think?? :>)He drives a 600+ cu in blown ski boat ...he ain't scared of sh*t!!! :headscratch: Ya know them blown boat people ain't rt in the head

[Ron Sutton]

He drives a 600+ cu in blown ski boat ...he ain't scared of sh*t!!! :headscratch: Ya know them blown boat people ain't rt in the head

Boy I'll say. Not much scares me. But watching those bad ass blown boats makes me question those people's sanity.

[GregWeld]

Boy I'll say. Not much scares me. But watching those bad ass blown boats makes me question those people's sanity.






Ever talk to Ron?? The proof's in the pudding as they say....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Ron Sutton]

Ever talk to Ron?? The proof's in the pudding as they say....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Ouch! Good one. Poor Ron, everyone's working him over.

I did "tee that one up" for you ... but I didn't mean to.

[Ron in SoCal]

Ouch! Good one. Poor Ron, everyone's working him over.

I did "tee that one up" for you ... but I didn't mean to.




Don't sweat it RS. Pretty much standard operating procedure around here. :lol:

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

OBWK started a sh#tstorm! Don't you guys work? :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zBqxgfZayuc/TO_JMyL9bSI/AAAAAAAABT8/oSetD3zCC9I/s1600/taking-a-bow.jpg
:drama:

So, I was thinking. I think I should do a 4 wheel drive burn-out on snow with my Willys and post it. :lmao:

It's running a lot better after I replaced the blown intake gasket.

[fleetus macmullitz]

'Bad Ron' as some know him by...holds the trump card though.

DP actually runs and drives.



:bump:

[Ron in SoCal]

'Bad Ron' as some know him by...holds the trump card though.

DP actually runs and drives.

:bump:

S'alright Skip. S-O-P around here :topic: :D

Update time, sort of - I found a little time to head down to the interior shop today. Part of the delay has been sourcing obscure little interior pieces I never knew existed or even needed. Some of which is only available via OEM in a couple reseller warehouses across the country. Pieces like roof/headliner tack stips, windlace mouldings, wire loom covers, door panel metal strips...stuff like that. Tracking it down and getting it shipped took more than two weeks. Also learned that I take to mechanicals, suspension and brakes much better than this crap. I'm learning more about interior than I ever wanted to. Go figure. :/endrant:

Elegance has progressed about as far as they could go without the parts.

Thin balsa is cut out for the doors, qtrs, kicks and speaker shelf:

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0842_zpsfde2d55b.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0842_zpsfde2d55b.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0843_zpsc52afec0.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0843_zpsc52afec0.jpg.html)

Headliner is mostly done:

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0845_zpsa888ed9c.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0845_zpsa888ed9c.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0844_zps00e133f1.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0844_zps00e133f1.jpg.html)

It'll be done Tuesday. Right Mike? :lol: :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Oh hell yeah! I run suede headliners in all my race cars....




LOL

[Ron in SoCal]

Oh hell yeah! I run suede headliners in all my race cars....




LOL

No doubt Greg. Rob calls it a "catalog 69 build" :lol:

[Flash68]

No doubt Greg. Rob calls it a "catalog 69 build" :lol:

Press 1 for...... LS7.

Press 2 for...... LS3.

:lmao:

[intocarss]

Press 1 for...... LS7.

Press 2 for...... LS3.

:lmao:

Press 3...... for pimp my ride :hello:

[U-turn]

Press 3...... for pimp my ride :hello:4:popcorn2: :popcorn2: :popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

I have to tell ya BR..... I'm just happy that your car is up and running BEFORE those other two guys!!


Then you can get up here on the fence with me and the couple other egg tossers (or is it grenades?) and start busting other peoples chops.


Glad to see it all coming together.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Oh hell yeah! I run suede headliners in all my race cars....


LOL

Ron,

Suede fits your car well, because apparently owning a '69 can be very comforting...perhaps after a period of great discomfort.

:tiptoe:


lol

[Al Moreno]

Nice Ron, progress is good!

[canrc]

oooh fancy! looks great Ron!

[Richio1]

Thumbs up

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks for all the laughs and compliments fellas! :cheers:

The material is amazing. Looks like swede and is made of leather, but it's soft to the touch and very lightweight. I saw it on another car and decided it was a nice touch. There is bendable balsa under it and and thin layer of foam.

The rest of the car is high-end Mercedes carpet and leather to match texture of the seats. Maybe it'll get my car on TV, lol ...(JK - I could care less about that)

The next car will have aluminum and carbon fiber interior panels, no carpet :D

[FETorino]

The material is amazing. Looks like swede and is made of leather, but it's soft to the touch and very lightweight. I saw it on another car and decided it was a nice touch. There is bendable balsa under it and and thin layer of foam.

The rest of the car is high-end Mercedes carpet and leather to match texture of the seats. Maybe it'll get my car on TV, lol ...(JK - I could care less about that)

The next car will have aluminum and carbon fiber interior panels, no carpet :D

What part # in the Camaro catalogue was that option?

[Ron in SoCal]

What part # in the Camaro catalogue was that option?

I found it in the Lincoln catalogue, cause Fords don't go there :lol:

:cheers:

[Flash68]

The rest of the car is high-end Mercedes carpet and leather

BR, can you point me in the direction of the low-end Mercedes stuff? I can't seem to find it.... :computer:

[intocarss]

Thanks for all the laughs and compliments fellas! :cheers:

The material is amazing. Looks like swede and is made of leather, but it's soft to the touch and very lightweight. I saw it on another car and decided it was a nice touch. There is bendable balsa under it and and thin layer of foam.

The rest of the car is high-end Mercedes carpet and leather to match texture of the seats. Maybe it'll get my car on TV, lol ...(JK - I could care less about that)

The next car will have aluminum and carbon fiber interior panels, no carpet :D So you really are building a "PRO TOURING" car :waveflag: :headscratch:

[frankv11]

Looking good Ron

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

S'alright Skip. S-O-P around here :topic: :D

Thin balsa is cut out for the doors, qtrs, kicks and speaker shelf:


http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0842_zpsfde2d55b.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0842_zpsfde2d55b.jpg.html)



Phew! I'm glad I read the whole post. At first I thought you were going for the early 80's mobile home paneling look when I saw this picture and I was thinking these drapes would go well with the kicks. Maybe as a nice divider between you and your poor passenger.

http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3372/3234094477_0ce5948c9f_o.jpg


Seriously though, sounds like you are getting down to brass tacks. I'm excited for my promised burnout vid. :rules:

[Ron in SoCal]

BR, can you point me in the direction of the low-end Mercedes stuff? I can't seem to find it.... :computer:

Yeah I know Dave. I thought that was pretty stupid to put in writing after typing out on my phone. I am a low-end guy anyway, so thanks for pointing it out. :lol:

So you really are building a "PRO TOURING" car :waveflag: :headscratch:

Wierd, huh JDog? :slingshot:

Looking good Ron

Thanks Frankie. Back at ya :cheers:

Phew! I'm glad I read the whole post. At first I thought you were going for the early 80's mobile home paneling look when I saw this picture and I was thinking these drapes would go well with the kicks. Maybe as a nice divider between you and your poor passenger.

http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3372/3234094477_0ce5948c9f_o.jpg

Seriously though, sounds like you are getting down to brass tacks. I'm excited for my promised burnout vid. :rules:

I knew you had old wood paneling in the house OBWK! Carpet matches the drapes too! :lol: Thx for the comment Bro and hope you're doing well :cheers:

[Musclerodz]

It'll be done Tuesday. Right Mike? :lol: :cheers:


Looks like you got a few more days to go until Tuesday gets here.

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

I knew you had old wood paneling in the house OBWK! Carpet matches the drapes too! :lol: Thx for the comment Bro and hope you're doing well :cheers:

Sheeatt, I ain't even got drapes....or curtains.....or neighbors within a half a mile that could look in my windows and see my pantsless ass watching T.V. LOL

Here's to living in the boonies! :relax:


Parts are coming in for my car every day. (AC showed up today) Now that winter is FINALLY winding down around here I should be able to actually work on it too.

[tones2SS]

Press 1 for...... LS7.

Press 2 for...... LS3.

HA HAAAAAAAA
:headspin:

[Vegas69]

You are going to need booties and a bottle of detailer to drive that princess.:D

[Matt@BOS]

You are going to need booties and a bottle of detailer to drive that princess.:D

Perhaps you can send him yours? And maybe some of those black nitrile gloves too. Those will come in handy for when Ron needs to upgrade to the latest, just released parts.

[Ron in SoCal]

You are going to need booties and a bottle of detailer to drive that princess.:D

Ex-squeeze me, first time I met you you we're using instant detailer on your car at RTTC I. I guess it takes one to know one :D :cheers:

Perhaps you can send him yours? And maybe some of those black nitrile gloves too. Those will come in handy for when Ron needs to upgrade to the latest, just released parts.

No comment. :innocent:

[Vegas69]

Hey buddy, I walked in them shoes. Once the honeymoon wears off, you'll be ready to rumble. :D

[Ron in SoCal]

So true Todd. Just like the boat...ding it once and she's ready to rock! :cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Last I read here, our hero had DP at the interior shop.

To borrow a line from 'a short, stocky, slow-witted bald' sitcom character...are you "ensconced in velvet" yet Ron? :flashie:

:walkingdog:

[Track Junky]

Ron is hiding now that the car is complete. He knows we need to some some track duty video from that thing and he's avoiding it. :poke:

[Ron in SoCal]

Last I read here, our hero had DP at the interior shop.

To borrow a line from 'a short, stocky, slow-witted bald' sitcom character...are you "ensconced in velvet" yet Ron? :flashie:

:walkingdog:

Dear Cosmo,

Interior is almost complete.

Best Regards,

:peepwall:


Ron is hiding now that the car is complete. He knows we need to some some track duty video from that thing and he's avoiding it. :poke:

Wouldn't that be great Gaetano? GoPro is ready, so it's coming soon. :cheers:

[Sieg]

GoPro is ready, so it's coming soon. :cheers:

Cinco de Mayo coming out party? :sieg:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Dear Cosmo,

Interior is almost complete.

Best Regards,

:peepwall:



:tv_happy:



:thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

wouldn't that be great Gaetano? GoPro is ready, so it's coming soon. :cheers:

Thanks for the update buddy. Keep plugging away. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Dear Cosmo,

Interior is almost complete.

Best Regards,

:peepwall:




Wouldn't that be great Gaetano? GoPro is ready, so it's coming soon. :cheers:




So is the rollback....

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

Last I read here, our hero had DP at the interior shop.

Cinco de Mayo coming out party? :sieg:

Man, all this talk about "DP" and "Coming Out" almost scared me off, but I'm still waiting for my burn-out video.
:peepwall:

[Ron in SoCal]

So is the rollback....

That's good Greg cause I could use a lift up to Portland this summer :D

[GregWeld]

Man, all this talk about "DP" and "Coming Out" almost scared me off, but I'm still waiting for my burn-out video.
:peepwall:




BIG HP small balls.

[Ron in SoCal]

BIG HP small balls.

You must have me confused with another 'balls' car :lol:

[GregWeld]

You must have me confused with another 'balls' car :lol:



Should have been named "Broken Balz"

[intocarss]

:whenitsdone:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Should have been named "Broken Balz"

Or 'Double for hi$ trouble$'. :rolleyes:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Now that's phunii JD.


:hello:

[GregWeld]

Ron is the only guy I know that has THREE sets of wheels for one build.... I have three sets of wheels for one car -- but that's because they're mounted up with race tires that actually get used up and I need to be ready for a quick pit stop change out between sessions.




LOL




Oh man some of you guys are such easy targets.

[Ron in SoCal]

^ I'm shooting for at least 4 sets on the next one :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

^ I'm shooting for at least 4 sets on the next one :cheers:

For the '68? Or will the four sets of wheels be for the one after that, which you've probably already started planning?

[Track Junky]

Well I needed entertainment and I came to the right place. You guys are killin' me :lolhit: :lol: :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/thCALL3FTK.jpg

:hello: JD

[Ron in SoCal]

Went on a little roadtrip today to check out interior progress. Yeah the car has takien a while, but it's moving now. All panels are fabbed and currently being covered. Owner Mark says it'll be a day or so and then it's done.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0891_zps18606bf3.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0891_zps18606bf3.jpg.html)

Payton thinks it looks like a porno award :lol:

Stereo absolutley rocks. Next time down I'll grab a real camera and take good pics.

:cheers:

[tubbed69]

Just one pic Ron?

[intocarss]

:hello: Ron!! Cars lookin good. A porno award for a shifter and killer tunes... This thing is gona be a chick magnet!!:beavis:

[Ron in SoCal]

^ yeah sorry Jeff. I have a couple of in process pics, but they'll make more sense when the panels are finished.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Just one pic Ron?

Apparently RobforD. & MattAy Ice weren't there to assist in snapping some high quality images...


:tiptoe:



lol

[Flash68]

Hey Peter North, I can guarantee you that shifter knob :sieg: can get piping hot, esp in your Socal heat.

:hello:

[Ron in SoCal]

Apparently RobforD. & MattAy Ice weren't there to assist in snapping some high quality images...


:tiptoe:


lol

Rob's thumb pic in 3-2-1...:bitchslap:

Hey Peter North, I can guarantee you that shifter knob :sieg: can get piping hot, esp in your Socal heat.

:hello:

Man it kills me to say this, but...you would know. :smiley_smack:

[Lenie]

Went on a little roadtrip today to check out interior progress. Yeah the car has takien a while, but it's moving now. All panels are fabbed and currently being covered. Owner Mark says it'll be a day or so and then it's done.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0891_zps18606bf3.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0891_zps18606bf3.jpg.html)

Payton thinks it looks like a porno award :lol:

Stereo absolutley rocks. Next time down I'll grab a real camera and take good pics.

:cheers:

Hurts my motor to go so slow...Damn this traffic jam!

[Bryan O]

Stereo absolutley rocks. :cheers:

You can actually hear it over the engine? :confused59:

[frankv11]

Mann I need me some of those pedals.
Looking good Ron

[214Chevy]

Can't wait to see the interior Ron. I know it'll be killer.

[Flash68]

Man it kills me to say this, but...you would know. :smiley_smack:

Once in awhile ... a great while... I bring some real life experience to this site. :mock:

[Track Junky]

Keep on truckin' Ronny. Wont be long now. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Keep on truckin' Ronny. Wont be long now. :thumbsup:

You sure about that? :mock:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Keep on truckin' Ronny. Wont be long now. :thumbsup:

You sure about that? :mock:

How Weldian of you!



:D

[Ron in SoCal]

Hurts my motor to go so slow...Damn this traffic jam!

I'm feelin ya Lenie! :thumbsup:

You can actually hear it over the engine? :confused59:

Haven't tried that yet Bryan. Doubt I will. :confused18:

Mann I need me some of those pedals.
Looking good Ron

Thanks Frankie. They are bitchen but alot of work. Hope it pays off. Your car's looking great Sir!

Can't wait to see the interior Ron. I know it'll be killer.

Marcus it's really hard to do anything different on a Camaro interior these days without getting too far out there. It'll just be clean, nothing out of the ordinary. :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Peter North, I can guarantee you that shifter knob :sieg: can get piping hot, esp in your Socal heat.

:hello:

Once in awhile ... a great while... I bring some real life experience to this site. :mock:


Man it kills me to say this, but...you would know. :smiley_smack:

I was referring to the Peter North/porn star award. So nice of you to step into it Dave :buttkick: :D

Keep on truckin' Ronny. Wont be long now. :thumbsup:

Thx G! Hope you and Vince make it out to TH Sunday :cheers:

[OBeer-WAN-Kenobi]

That's funny about the shifter because the first thing I thought of is one of those vibrating "Magic Bullets". Hmm.... I thought you were in SoCal, not San Francisco. To each their own though, I say. What a man does in his own passenger compartment is no business of mine.

[tones2SS]

:hello: Ron!! Cars lookin good. A porno award for a shifter and killer tunes... This thing is gona be a chick magnet!!:beavis:

^^What he said.
Keep us posted sir!

[Ron in SoCal]

So after last week's visit, they told me a couple of more days so I made a final punchlist, checked with Dick @ BoS on final fab and availability and went down there today. There's still a couple of things left to do but we're down to hours at this point. Came out pretty much as expoected.

Here's one of those pics I was holding out on last week so you could see the in process and finished door panel:

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_0887_zpsce45c747.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_0887_zpsce45c747.jpg.html)
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_2981_zps10c24f35.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_2981_zps10c24f35.jpg.html)

And a couple of interior shots:
http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_2988_zpsccc52f0d.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_2988_zpsccc52f0d.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_2987_zps61b8d1ba.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_2987_zps61b8d1ba.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_2983_zps8f082524.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_2983_zps8f082524.jpg.html)

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_2985_zps05b216b5.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_2985_zps05b216b5.jpg.html)

I scored an OEM dashpad and had it recovered in leather, double stitched. Came out nice, smells good too.

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac52/flash911/Build%20Thread/IMG_2982_zps1d89a0b0.jpg (http://s885.photobucket.com/user/flash911/media/Build%20Thread/IMG_2982_zps1d89a0b0.jpg.html)

Yeah I sniffed it in front of a bunch of dudes at the interior shop. You would've too! :D

To each their own though, I say. What a man does in his own passenger compartment is no business of mine.

Wouldn't you? :lol:

:hello: Ron!! Cars lookin good. A porno award for a shifter and killer tunes... This thing is gona be a chick magnet!!:beavis:


^^What he said.
Keep us posted sir!

Thanks fellas! :cheers:

[Penny]

looks good dude

[Bryan O]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

However, we need some more videos. How about one if front of BoS. I know for a fact cops turn a blind eye to muscle cars speeding down that street. :yes:

[Flash68]

I really like that door panel. Great balance between stock and some of the over-the-top designs. Nailed it.

[jarhead]

I really like that door panel. Great balance between stock and some of the over-the-top designs. Nailed it.

agree with Flash, looks great!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Nice, subdued look...just like it's owner.


:ohsnap:



lol

[tubbed69]

I really like that door panel. Great balance between stock and some of the over-the-top designs. Nailed it.

I agree.perfect job Ron:king:

[intocarss]

I FIND YOUR YOUR INTERIOR TO BE... BASIC, CLASSY AND TECHNICAL, AKA "TRICK"!!! :bow:

Can I have a sniff too :rules:

[glassman]

Yeah, looks fanfriggentastic!!!!

What seats are those?(again)

[Ron in SoCal]

looks good dude

Electric eh? :D

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

However, we need some more videos. How about one if front of BoS. I know for a fact cops turn a blind eye to muscle cars speeding down that street. :yes:

Thanks Bry. :thumbsup: I'm itching to drive it, don't trust the locals though...

[Ron in SoCal]

I really like that door panel. Great balance between stock and some of the over-the-top designs. Nailed it.

Thx Davey. Funny how taste changes over time. :cheers:

agree with Flash, looks great!

Nice avatar!

Nice, subdued look...just like it's owner.


:ohsnap:



lol

I yam. :lol:

I agree.perfect job Ron:king:

Thanks Jeff! :cheers:

I FIND YOUR YOUR INTERIOR TO BE... BASIC, CLASSY AND TECHNICAL, AKA "TRICK"!!! :bow:

Can I have a sniff too :rules:

You can sniff it anytime Bro :D

Yeah, looks fanfriggentastic!!!!

What seats are those?(again)

Hey Mike those are Cobra Misanos. A little tight for old fat dudes, but I like 'em. :cheers:

[Rick D]

Hey Mike those are Cobra Misanos. A little tight for old fat dudes, but I like 'em. :cheers:

You know you weren't old or fat when you started this simple street car project!! :innocent: :relax:

By the way love the door panels!

[Richio1]

Nice Ron. Turning out awesome as we knew it would.

As stated by others, love how you incorporated the carpet at the bottom like the scotch panels to keep is classic yest modern.

Looking forward to seeing more

[canrc]

awesome Ron!! looks soo clean!

[GregWeld]

It's okay I guess.... if that's what you're in to.




It's turning out real nice Ron! And unlike some other projects around here it might be finished before HAL takes over the ship!