Camaro XV

[byndbad914]

thanks Dave for the link - those plate coolers are pretty cool and it makes sense putting those in the tank and thanks for the note on SS v. aluminum v. pressure.

[parsonsj]

5/8" 6061 .035 wall aluminum tube is good to over 1000 psi. Thick walls are not required for aluminum tube for engine cooling. In fact, aluminum is a better choice because it coefficient of heat transfer is much higher than SS.

Power steering with its 1500 psi requirements is a different story... that's where the thick walls are required and steel or stainless is the better choice.

[dontlifttoshift]

Yeah, but the PS cooler typically runs on the return side anyways, so AL should be fine there, too.

[parsonsj]

Good point. SS is only required on the high pressure side of the pump, and that's usually hose anyway to allow engine movement.

[Kenny]

That is a very nice cooling setup.

In our application, max power/component life was the goal, so we intentionally separated the block cooling from component cooling. We would cool everything independently with the goal of not introducing more heat into the block coolant so we could use way less water pump speed to do the same job..... Free power. One of the advantages (among many), was the tendency to avoid runaway coolant temps. Once the engine got above it's ideal temp there would be a "saturation" problem where everything overheated when we relied on engine coolant for everything.

Obviously we went through some details during the engine build to maximize power with lighter oil. Like I said earlier, the oil temps were designed to stay at 190°, and the coolant temp was 230°(yes,that was intentional).

I am curious about the "cold oil" statements....Have any of you guys had some sort of problem/experience with oil not heating once you adjusted the weight? I had heard guys say it, but had always written it off as "magazine theory", much like the 75% I/E flow theory. I honestly never ran into that condition, and really thought we had carried oil cooling to the most extreme level. Keeping in mind that we used piston squirters, so our oil may have came to temp quicker than some :headscratch:

[byndbad914]

5/8" 6061 .035 wall aluminum tube is good to over 1000 psi. Thick walls are not required for aluminum tube for engine cooling. In fact, aluminum is a better choice because it coefficient of heat transfer is much higher than SS.

Power steering with its 1500 psi requirements is a different story... that's where the thick walls are required and steel or stainless is the better choice.
This is where I was going with it regarding oil cooling but let it go :D I have twin, large, off-road coolers on my race car, both are aluminum, pretty standard "radiators". Haven't had a problem in 6 years of beating the hell out of my car with a dry sump system (I limit my dry sump to 65 psi).

[Stielow]

I finished my hood bonding the hood vents into it. All raw exposed carbon fiber.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/SouthfieldCity-20130208-00049_zps74baa270.jpg


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/SouthfieldCity-20130208-00048_zpsc7252fac.jpg

I had the vents laid up to match the "V" pattern.

Mark

[camcojb]

Very nice Mark. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Pure Awesomeness!

[214Chevy]

Oh my gooooooooodness!! A tru thing of beauty.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

That is a must have for any 1st. gen owner.:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :thumbsup:

[Roberts68]

I finished my hood bonding the hood vents into it. All raw exposed carbon fiber.....I had the vents laid up to match the "V" pattern.

Mark
:idea: Hmmmm... a hint that it will remain in raw carbon perhaps?:headscratch:
:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

Exceptional! Good job Mark! :thumbsup:

[CarlC]

I have an oil over-cooing condition for street duty. Even with a Mocal 202* thermostat the oil does well to get up to the water temp (160*). On cold days the needle usually does not budge off the lowest reading of 140*.

[glassman]

If the carbon is left "nude", do the uv's breakdown the resins over time? Or does clear coating it reflect or absorb them? Curious...mike

[Al Moreno]

Wow! really like the vents :thumbsup:

[kwhizz]

Kewl!!!!..................

[cantcatchmitch]

mark, ive been paying alot of attention to your builds with the ls9s, im building a 66 nova with a lsa so alot of your info crosses over pretty well. one thing ive been looking to find out is how big of a reservoir you run for the supercharger coolant? i havent found anything on it and i figure you would be the guy to ask. thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us, your builds are amazing to watch!

[FathomGreen69]

Wow, reading this thread is like taking a course in hi-performance cooling 101. I love this sight, learn something new every time. Ok, enough teasing, lets see a rendering already!

[LSBlackbird]

Hey Mark, I think you are going to have to write another book, after this one!

[Bowtieracing]

The Concept One LS9 set up works great!

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/ls9-powered-69-camaro-gets-concept-one-pulley-treatment/

Mark

But are you going to use it ? I noticed you cut the frame allready and with concept one its not needed?

[Stielow]

But are you going to use it ? I noticed you cut the frame allready and with concept one its not needed?

Yes I did use it on Mayhem and plan to use it on XV. They say you can use it with DSE mounts. Maybe with DSE base LS mounts that has the engine farther forward. With DSE LS7 engine mounts the A/C crashes into the sub frame. So for a few hours work we set the engine back 3/4 of an inch. Give them a call and see which DSE mounts it works with. I need the space so I have my engine back as far as it will go.

mark, ive been paying alot of attention to your builds with the ls9s, im building a 66 nova with a lsa so alot of your info crosses over pretty well. one thing ive been looking to find out is how big of a reservoir you run for the supercharger coolant? i havent found anything on it and i figure you would be the guy to ask. thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us, your builds are amazing to watch!

On the reservoir I’ve done it a couple ways. One is for a fill point and a air trap. To make your life easier make the fill point the highest point in the engine bay. If you can make it so any trapped air accumulates there. On Mayhem I did a fill/ reservoir/ air water separator. I made a 1 gallon tank that feed the intercooler pump. It was a tall tank that also was the fill point and had space at the top to be a air accumulation point. It worked great. A reservoir (or extra coolant) just adds capacitance to the system. If you have space it helps keep the temps more stable.

Mark

[Stielow]

I quick note on how I modified the Anvil mirrors. You need to use the internals from a 2nd Gen Camaro mirrors. I don't like the cable operated drivers side mirror so I make my own mount using a stud ball from McMaster Carr and make a few small parts.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4574_zps8a39fc81.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4570_zps60694645.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4575_zps9a8edec0.jpg

I also had to make mount to bond to the mirrors to mount the mirrors to the doors.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4545_zps9041351f.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4547_zpsdbad7eed.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4551_zps827569fc.jpg

[cmraman]

I quick note on how I modified the Anvil mirrors. You need to use the internals from a 2nd Gen Camaro mirrors. I don't like the cable operated drivers side mirror so I make my own mount using a stud ball from McMaster Carr and make a few small parts.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4574_zps8a39fc81.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4570_zps60694645.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4575_zps9a8edec0.jpg

I also had to make mount to bond to the mirrors to mount the mirrors to the doors.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4545_zps9041351f.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4547_zpsdbad7eed.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4551_zps827569fc.jpg

Looks Awesome!!

[coolwelder62]

Very nice.I love McMaster-Carr.They have everything to build a cool P-T car but DSE product's.:thumbsup:

[OLDFLM]

I quick note on how I modified the Anvil mirrors. You need to use the internals from a 2nd Gen Camaro mirrors. I don't like the cable operated drivers side mirror so I make my own mount using a stud ball from McMaster Carr and make a few small parts.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4574_zps8a39fc81.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4570_zps60694645.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4575_zps9a8edec0.jpg

I also had to make mount to bond to the mirrors to mount the mirrors to the doors.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4545_zps9041351f.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4547_zpsdbad7eed.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4551_zps827569fc.jpg

Pretty sure there's a market to have these bit mass produced Mark! I'd love to eliminate the cable on my driver's side mirror! Tight work! :thumbsup:

[Z06Joe]

Another awesome build Mark!!!!! Definitely subscribing!!!

[Kenny]

I have an oil over-cooing condition for street duty. Even with a Mocal 202* thermostat the oil does well to get up to the water temp (160*). On cold days the needle usually does not budge off the lowest reading of 140*.
That oil temp is surely too cool. This makes a very good point though. You could downsize the oil cooler, at the same time, you aren't adding that thermal load to your cooling system. I would guess that you don't have piston squirters.....

I don't want to take over this thread with a bunch of technical talk, but am very interested in continuing the conversation....I'll start, or find another cooling thread somewhere else later :thumbsup:

[next69]

Mark, Do you have any updates for us? After seeing Mayhem yesterday at Autorama you are going to be hard pressed to raise the bar again.

[468Camaro]

Awesome thread ! I need my Jaw wired shut now...

[brownz]

Any updates Mark?

[srh3trinity]

I just combed through the whole thread. I think it is great that Mark has offered so many of his thoughts and pulled back the curtain behind his builds by answering so many questions. He didn't answer one question though, so I will ask it again. Any plans to do a second gen build at some point????

[Stielow]

I just combed through the whole thread. I think it is great that Mark has offered so many of his thoughts and pulled back the curtain behind his builds by answering so many questions. He didn't answer one question though, so I will ask it again. Any plans to do a second gen build at some point????

I purchased a 2nd Gen. Not sure what to do with it yet. It is just a driver now.

Things have been going very slow on my new Camaro. We are making some progress now and should have some updates this week.

Mark

[XLexusTech]

Mark i noticed you have a tab welded on the clutch petal.. Do you have any measurements you can share...? I just installed the DSE bracket and wanted to take care of the petal while I had it all out...:flag2:

[randy]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/Clinton-20121222-00171_zps74927ca3.jpg[/IMG]
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/Clinton-20121222-00170_zpsb51e6fbd.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/SouthfieldCity-20121222-00167_zps2c91486d.jpg


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/Clinton-20121222-00171_zps74927ca3.jpg

So you use the stock c6 brake booster and master? How would this work with the z06 brakes without abs? If you could give us some more info on this. So you used the dse bracket but where did you get your measurements and what are all the part numbers and some feedback. what peddles are these and what would you do to eliminate the sensor on the side of the reservoir?

[WSSix]

ABS is a separate module so the MC and booster combination would work just fine like it does in a Z06 when ABS isn't activated.

[Stielow]

A quick update. We had my new Camaro together as a roller for my car party.


The dry sump placement in the cowl. Check out the headers they are from Ultimate Headers they are shorty and fit great.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130512-002162_zpscb31133a.jpg

The radiator from Dewitt with the SRX fan, oil cooler, transmission cooler and power steering cooler. The core is 24" X 23" so it's fairly big.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130118-00005_zps6874deb8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/SouthfieldCity-20130124-00024_zps87e5b259.jpg

New throttle body inlet before we weld it up and metal finish it.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00232_zpsbe3aadcf.jpg

Anvil front clip and my hood.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00228_zps89c3637d.jpg


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00230_zps04af887e.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00233_zps116320c8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00231_zps74375196.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Coming togather nicely Mark.

[GregWeld]

Ordinarily I'm not a fan of carbon fiber -- but that looks bad ass! Get I've been a bit jaded with all the phony versions on the big Honda wings.... LOL


Needless to say --- stellar work as usual Mark.

[Stielow]

Mark i noticed you have a tab welded on the clutch petal.. Do you have any measurements you can share...? I just installed the DSE bracket and wanted to take care of the petal while I had it all out...:flag2:

I have a 2002 Camaro clutch pedal and I copy the geometry off the physical pedal. I've done it that way for years.

Mark

[Track Junky]

Love the stance and the color. Reminds me of the Red Witch minus the weight. Really looking forward to seeing this one run. :thumbsup:

[Royalworks]

Ordinarily I'm not a fan of carbon fiber -- but that looks bad ass! Get I've been a bit jaded with all the phony versions on the big Honda wings.... LOL


Needless to say --- stellar work as usual Mark.

I actually have one customer with an RSX that has the real deal J's Racing aero on his car. Not cheap stuff and there isn't a wave in any of the carbon. Its beautiful stuff. All of its wind tunnel tested. I want a wind tunnel...

[Flash68]

just keeps getting better... dang that looks good.

[badmatt]

Every time I seem to wander into Marks thread's.. Makes me realize, I NEED A BETTER JOB!

Great stuff I want that weave...

[jimbo]

So what is that other project car in the garage?

[waynieZ]

I love the carbon parts. Its coming together nice.

[Sparks67]

Here is some close up photos of the LS1 engine mounts for Camaro XV. Matt at Sled Alley does great work on those welds. I don't think these photos been posted.

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013ModsandAssembly/67-RS-Camaro/i-k4d76GH/0/L/100_2722-L.jpg

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013ModsandAssembly/67-RS-Camaro/i-5h2FMNw/0/L/100_2724-L.jpg

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013ModsandAssembly/67-RS-Camaro/i-CqJdcnv/0/L/100_2725-L.jpg


Jeff

[tmadden]

The bar just keeps getting higher. SMDH

[Rybar]

Mark I think the car looks sick, that stance and front clip are awesome!

Why the shorty headers what was the reason for those? Wont you leave some hp on the table??

[camcojb]

So what is that other project car in the garage?
Looks like Gordons car.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41467

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd375/tjohnson151/CamaroGordonRAD10LagunaGray_zpsd31de1dc.jpg

[garickman]

A quick update. We had my new Camaro together as a roller for my car party.


The dry sump placement in the cowl. Check out the headers they are from Ultimate Headers they are shorty and fit great.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130512-002162_zpscb31133a.jpg



Awesome work, any idea yet on how you are going to fill the oil tank yet?

[Sieg]

Looks like Gordons car.

That..........or a decoy.

[camcojb]

That..........or a decoy.
You can never tell with Mark, he's real sneaky. :D

[Stielow]

Here is some close up photos of the LS1 engine mounts for Camaro XV. Matt at Sled Alley does great work on those welds. I don't think these photos been posted.

http://67rscamaro.smugmug.com/2013ModsandAssembly/67-RS-Camaro/i-k4d76GH/0/L/100_2722-L.jpg

Jeff


I'm using 2002 Camaro LS1 engine mounts to get better noise and vibration performance. The Urethane one put a ton of noise into the car.

Mark I think the car looks sick, that stance and front clip are awesome!

Why the shorty headers what was the reason for those? Wont you leave some hp on the table??

Right now the car is slammed and has 315s on the front and 335s on the rear. Looks like they will work. I'm waiting for the BFG Rivals to see how big they are before I settel in on a tire and wheel. It has 18 X 11 front and 18 X 12.5 rears.

In all of our dyno testing these blower motors are fairly insensitive to back pressure. In fact Mayhem made 877 HP through the stock LS9 exhaust manifolds. These "shorty" headers let me use the 2002 engine mounts and frees up a ton of space and are lighter. Less mass up front.

We will A-B these headers on a dyno test soon at Thomson's, but Katech dynoed them and did not loos much on a N/A engine. I really like them they look like nice parts.

Mark

[Rick D]

Mark looks great, so is the plan to still be at Optima this year?? Also are you leaving the carbon front unpainted or will it get painted??

[Stielow]

Awesome work, any idea yet on how you are going to fill the oil tank yet?

We are going to make a remote fill point through the firewall with a dip stick. We upped the dry sump tank volume to 12 quarts just to be safe.

Mark

[Stielow]

We also moved the ABS rearward to clean up packaging and move mass back.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Clinton-20130120-000162_zpsd1e268b1.jpg

I also used the Too Much Fabrication weld in mounting bosses to mount it (see top mounting boss). They work great. I have a bag of these weld on bosses and plan to use a lot on this build.

Mark

[Stielow]

Mark looks great, so is the plan to still be at Optima this year?? Also are you leaving the carbon front unpainted or will it get painted??

Still working on paint layouts. Not sure yet on how much raw carbon fiber..

I can't make Optima this year with this car. For me to get this car ready for Optima would be a huge effort :G-Dub:

I am aiming to have this car done for 2014 unless I win the lottery.....

Mark

[Rick D]

Still working on paint layouts. Not sure yet on how much raw carbon fiber..

I can't make Optima this year with this car. For me to get this car ready for Optima would be a huge effort :G-Dub:

I am aiming to have this car done for 2014 unless I win the lottery.....

Mark

Just barrow one from Charlie?? Lol :underchair:

[214Chevy]

Just barrow one from Charlie?? Lol :underchair:

That's exactly what I was thinking. LOL!! :sarcasm_smiley:

[Lous69]

Hey Mark,

If Charlie won't let you use one of your previous works of art this year you are welcome to use Lou's Change!!! hehe

It's LSA powered and it doesn't have ABS brakes... You could show the world it's your driving skills more than the car that have made you so successful!!!

I wish.

[frojoe]

I would imagine having such a gnarly blower on there that the engine would be mostly insensitive to primary length, as you're going to have torque all over the place. The physical gas gas flow shouldn't be affected by mid shorty vs. long tube headers, and the ground clearance is a huge bonus.

Great build Mark!

[PTAddict]

Right now the car is slammed and has 315s on the front and 335s on the rear. Looks like they will work. I'm waiting for the BFG Rivals to see how big they are before I settel in on a tire and wheel. It has 18 X 11 front and 18 X 12.5 rears.

Mark

Awesome attention to detail, as always.

Wow, 315s on the front. I've been thinking about upgrading to the Anvil front clip, more for the front tire even than the weight savings. The DSE suspension is overall a pretty balanced track package for me, but especially in long sweeping turns I think more front grip would be useful.

Do the 18 inch wheels impact your brake choice? I think you mentioned carbon ceramic brakes somewhere on the thread, but I've heard the ZR-1 brakes won't clear an 18" wheel?

[GRob]

Hi Mark,

Why do you need shorties to run the 2002 motor mounts vs aftermarket urethane ones? Shouldn't the urethane mounts just be a direct replacement for the OEM ones?

[Stielow]

Awesome attention to detail, as always.

Wow, 315s on the front. I've been thinking about upgrading to the Anvil front clip, more for the front tire even than the weight savings. The DSE suspension is overall a pretty balanced track package for me, but especially in long sweeping turns I think more front grip would be useful.

Do the 18 inch wheels impact your brake choice? I think you mentioned carbon ceramic brakes somewhere on the thread, but I've heard the ZR-1 brakes won't clear an 18" wheel?

I think a 305 would be better but it is not avalible from BFG.

You can get an 18 wheel over a Corvette ZR-1 brakes but you need to get the correct wheel.

Mark

[Stielow]

Hi Mark,

Why do you need shorties to run the 2002 motor mounts vs aftermarket urethane ones? Shouldn't the urethane mounts just be a direct replacement for the OEM ones?

The DSE sub frame uses 1967-9 Camaro style mounts and adaptors to put a LS into their frame. To use the direct mount LS style 2002 engine mounts we had to make new frame mounts. The shorty headers clear all the relocated OEM engine mount. DSE set up is designed to use their headers and engine mounts. Their system works great, but I wanted a differnt set up for more room and better N&V.

Mark

[SS 454]

Awesome work and engineering.:thumbsup: And Thanks for sharing your ideas. Mark. Maybe you can get ideas about the paint to the XV from this video Inside Koenigsegg when Christian explain the paint job on their carbon cars. Or search Agera Hundra. It Looks beautiful with its golden stripes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-IYh8Ln0wQ

[Rick D]

Awesome work and engineering.:thumbsup: And Thanks for sharing your ideas. Mark. Maybe you can get ideas about the paint to the XV from this video Inside Koenigsegg when Christian explain the paint job on their carbon cars. Or search Agera Hundra. It Looks beautiful with its golden stripes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-IYh8Ln0wQ

Nice video!! That's a nice car for sure :G-Dub:

It's interesting how talks about what the paint weighs, when I did my buds NMCA 10" tire car a few years ago he wanted me to make sure that the primer and paint and clear coat didn't weigh to much :lostmarbles: these speed guys are crazy! Not saying I don't get it because I do, I just hope I never start to think how much can I save if I only put two coats of clear on :confused18:

[GRob]

The DSE sub frame uses 1967-9 Camaro style mounts and adaptors to put a LS into their frame. To use the direct mount LS style 2002 engine mounts we had to make new frame mounts. The shorty headers clear all the relocated OEM engine mount. DSE set up is designed to use their headers and engine mounts. Their system works great, but I wanted a differnt set up for more room and better N&V.

Mark

Thanks Mark, but could you not have run rubber SBC mounts to achieve your NVH goals? My understanding is that SBC mounts are available in many different compounds nowadays, which may have further helped with your NVH tuning.

[Al Moreno]

Mark I tried PMing you but your message box is full. When you get a chance clear a few. Need to ask you a question. THX!

[Stielow]

Guys a couple updates. I had my car together at my car party so a couple shots of the car.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130518-00227_zps1af7e669.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00228_zpsea0a5f1e.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00230_zps04af887e.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00234_zpsc90ce8ac.jpg

Mark

[Stielow]

We have the Cooling "stack" in the car and the ECM and BCM mounted.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130703-00028_zps88bab659.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130703-00027_zps15f40cf8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130629-00019_zps224057ee.jpg

I have learned put the ECM and BCM (Fuse Block) where you can get to them easy.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130706-00035_zps7cda2c73.jpg

Start of the inlet tube. It will flare from 4" to 4 3/4"

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130706-00038_zps59d12966.jpg

Mark

[tubbed69]

Mark great work as always,sure has a nice stance

[Flash68]

Wider tires and stance look killer.

Do you know the front and rear new track width by chance Mark?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark,

It appears lower than some of your other Camaros.

Is it, or will it be?

[Sieg]

Really like the front bodywork, the styling below the headlights is very clean, including the fender to lower cowl junction.

Have you designed a bumper bar behind the carbon yet? Alloy or CM?

Good Work Mr. Stielow :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

Looks great Mark... I am wondering how much weight savings with the carbon fiber parts on the front.

Look forward to more pictures on the build and info on the dry sump system install. The front spoiler looks great!

[214Chevy]

All of that carbon fiber looks awesome. As already stated, stance is spot on too.:G-Dub:

[Stielow]

Mark,

It appears lower than some of your other Camaros.

Is it, or will it be?

We slammed it down for the car party. Not sure if we will run it that low. It is about an inch lower than Red Devil.

[Stielow]

Really like the front bodywork, the styling below the headlights is very clean, including the fender to lower cowl junction.

Have you designed a bumper bar behind the carbon yet? Alloy or CM?

Good Work Mr. Stielow :thumbsup:

We will build a bumper stiffener made out of CM. It also need to reinforce the lower grill support.

Mark

[coolwelder62]

Mark,As always camaro look's great.

[frankv11]

that whole front clip is a piece of art, especially the fit on the bumper.

[Matt@BOS]

Hey Mark, how is the fit with the 315s? I bought a set of Anvil's fenders recently and I'm curious if you're happy with how the wheel and tire sits, or if you needed to add a little more backspace, or trim the inside of the fender lip to get the wheel and tire to turn without issue.

thanks,

Matt

[FETorino]

Guys a couple updates. I had my car together at my car party so a couple shots of the car.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00234_zpsc90ce8ac.jpg

Mark

That hood is a work of art.:wow:

[WSSix]

Looks great as always! Keep up the good work guys!

[Stielow]

Looks great Mark... I am wondering how much weight savings with the carbon fiber parts on the front.

Look forward to more pictures on the build and info on the dry sump system install. The front spoiler looks great!

The delta between all the steel parts (Hood, Fenders, Inner Fenders, Header, Cowl, Lower Vance with Bumper) was 122 lbs. Some weight will need to be added back to reinforce the grill and bumper. The parts fit better than I though they would. Also then it is all bolted together the stuff feels very stiff.

Hey Mark, how is the fit with the 315s? I bought a set of Anvil's fenders recently and I'm curious if you're happy with how the wheel and tire sits, or if you needed to add a little more backspace, or trim the inside of the fender lip to get the wheel and tire to turn without issue.

thanks,

Matt

I have a 18 X 11 mocked up on the front with a PSII 315/30R18. It fits OK but it needs more backspacing than I like to maintain turning radius. I'm concerned with too much tire rubbing. All my previous projects has a lot of tire rubbing and the steel parts just lost their paint. This CF parts will most likely wear away. My plan is to add steering stops and try the 18 X 11 with 7 inch back spacing. The problem is the AutoXs with the 180 degree turns. Also with AutoX like Holley Fest where there is a big bump in a very sharp turn could junk a fender. The steel parts could take a lot of abuse. Unsure on this CF stuff durability. I really like the parts and think I can make it all work.

Mark

[Matt@BOS]

The delta between all the steel parts (Hood, Fenders, Inner Fenders, Header, Cowl, Lower Vance with Bumper) was 122 lbs. Some weight will need to be added back to reinforce the grill and bumper. The parts fit better than I though they would. Also then it is all bolted together the stuff feels very stiff.



I have a 18 X 11 mocked up on the front with a PSII 315/30R18. It fits OK but it needs more backspacing than I like to maintain turning radius. I'm concerned with too much tire rubbing. All my previous projects has a lot of tire rubbing and the steel parts just lost their paint. This CF parts will most likely wear away. My plan is to add steering stops and try the 18 X 11 with 7 inch back spacing. The problem is the AutoXs with the 180 degree turns. Also with AutoX like Holley Fest where there is a big bump in a very sharp turn could junk a fender. The steel parts could take a lot of abuse. Unsure on this CF stuff durability. I really like the parts and think I can make it all work.

Mark

I was a little concerned about that. I've run 6.5" backspacing before and it was no fun on the street, or a tight autocross. The 6.5" backspacing caused wear against the carbon inner fenders, and was severe enough to distort the weave from heat. Every time I had to make a U turn the wheels would scrape against the control arms. I put rack limiters in, but then ended up with a significantly limited turning radius. I imagine that with 6.25" backspace there is still a fair amount of contact against the inner fenders from time to time. I made a simple modification to roll the inside of the fender lip up on my normal steel fenders and was wondering if modifying the inside lip on the Anvil parts might also be in order. I bought fiberglass ones and I would like to stay away from any major cutting, and glass work, but may resort to pulling the everything out a little more.

I'm sure you will figure out a solution. It seems you always do!

Matt

[Ketzer]

Bond an aluminum "rub strip" to the inner fender where you know it will rub? Very little weight, dissipate the heat... okay, maybe I'm showing just how redneck I am.:bitchslap:


Jeff-

[WSSix]

Bond an aluminum "rub strip" to the inner fender where you know it will rub? Very little weight, dissipate the heat... okay, maybe I'm showing just how redneck I am.:bitchslap:


Jeff-

:gitrdun:

Actually, I think that's a good idea. However, I know squat about CF really.

[Sieg]

Bond an aluminum "rub strip" to the inner fender where you know it will rub? Very little weight, dissipate the heat... okay, maybe I'm showing just how redneck I am.:bitchslap:

Jeff-I don't see the concept as a bad idea, possibly UMHA instead of aluminum.

http://www.crownplastics.com/polymersprocesses/materials

http://www.shop3m.com/3m-uhmw-pe-tapes-ultra-high-molecular-weight-polyethylene-nssr7s8qpk.html

[aggie91]

I'm new here, but I have always liked your builds. I think the first one that hooked me as Red Witch. Then the Mule in PHR was a great car to make me want more than just a drag car. I like that you use a bunch of off the shelf GM parts on your cars.

I skimmed thru this one, but I must really read the whole thing from start to finish.

This is going to be an awsome car!

[Stielow]

Matt at Sled Alley is doing a great job on the induction tube. It is 4" to 4.5" to 4.75" inch K&N MAF sensor. Going to a nice big 5 inch inlet K&N filter. We need a lot of air to make a lot of power.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG-20130711-00044_zpsb2a9ab11.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG-20130711-00046_zpse69fa9ad.jpg

Mark

:flag2:

[Al Moreno]

WOW, guys make it look easy. Mad skills! :hail:

[efs69]

Mark,

Could you post some more details on the oil tank mods when you have a chance.

Project is looking great....as usual.

Thanks

[byndbad914]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4505_zps0aa24acc.jpg
I can also fit a 11 inch wide front wheel!

Nice well made parts that fit well.

I have a 18 X 11 mocked up on the front with a PSII 315/30R18. It fits OK but it needs more backspacing than I like to maintain turning radius. I'm concerned with too much tire rubbing.
Mark, what offset or backspace are you using with the 11"?

I am in process right now of ordering nearly identical wheels (the GA3s, not the Rs, fit-wise identical designs) for my 66 Nova and am also going to use them on my 2011 Z06 that has ZR1 brakes (Carbon Edition). I could not get an 11"; I am having to stay at 10.5" because the inner barrel of the 11" hits the ZR1 caliper and the 10.5" just squeaks by. For the Vette I need to run a 37.5mm offset (~7-1/4" backspace) so if I were to reduce that by 1/2" I could run an 11", so maybe you are in the 6.5" BS or 25-30mm offset range or less?

If so, keep in mind if you want a more BS for fender clearance you will need to go to the narrower wheel at around 7" of BS. I will be running a 295 tire because the 315 can hit the inner fender stuff on the Z06, you can still run the 315 on a 10.5" wheel since you won't have that issue on the Camaro.

[dropped72ss]

Incredible work! Car looks amazing already, can't wait to see the finished product.

[next69]

Any updates for us Mark?

[Stielow]

Any updates for us Mark?

Matt has been busy getting the cage going.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4598_zps43fdf8d5.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Mark,Matt does an awesome job on the Fabrication.I can't wait until I get some time to have him show me the art of Leading.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Getting closer on the induction tube.

4 inch to 4.5 tube transition.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4620_zps369e02ec.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4625_zps0ee406ac.jpg

[GregWeld]

Charley called and said he wants a custom leather interior - big stereo - A/C - power windows and just some all around luxury items this time....



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Looks great Mark!

[Sieg]

Looking good Mark.......keep raising that bar! :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Very Nice.

[Rick D]

That's it two stinkin pictures????? :poke:

And Greg from what I remember Mark said Charley isn't getting this one?? :hitaxeonthehead:

[Stielow]

That's it two stinkin pictures????? :poke:

:hitaxeonthehead:

OK a trunk shot.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/DSC_4595_zpsbc6af440.jpg

[Stielow]

I've been busy getting my new house and shop underway. The new shop is 46' X 44' with 12 foot ceilings. There is also an apartment over the top.

The shop needs to be finished before this Camaro comes home.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG950999_zps5e8694e4.jpg

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark,

Legally of course if you rent that apartment out, you may have to lease it to a person of Ferd or Mopar persuasion.

Hopefully it won't come to that though.




:lol:

[coolwelder62]

Mark.Forget about posting work on the camaro.Let's see the inside of the shop.That's way cool.

[tmadden]

OK I guess I'll ask the stupid question of the day. Why 2 tank vents?

[FETorino]

OK I guess I'll ask the stupid question of the day. Why 2 tank vents?

Rear diffs building lost of heat battling against high horsepower need a place to vent their frustration.:cheers:

[carbuff]

My guess is that he's done the same as I have: 1 for the tank, one for the diff...

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/1971%20Firebird%20Formula%20-%20Project%20TOW/update_0728_05_zps99e5d78f.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/carbuff69/media/1971%20Firebird%20Formula%20-%20Project%20TOW/update_0728_05_zps99e5d78f.jpg.html)

[tmadden]

OK. This board is great for learning. Thanks guys.

[waynieZ]

OK Mark the outside looks nice, but we need internal shots too. How much bigger is this from you other shop?

[Stielow]

OK Mark the outside looks nice, but we need internal shots too. How much bigger is this from you other shop?

Going from 720 sqft to 2024 sqft plus a 880 sqft loft.... Lots more space and 12 foot ceiling so I can get a hoist.

[Flash68]

Going from 720 sqft to 2024 sqft plus a 880 sqft loft.... Lots more space and 12 foot ceiling so I can get a hoist.

That's some serious space upgrade! Now maybe you can crank out 2 cars at a time? :D

[U-turn]

I've been busy getting my new house and shop underway. The new shop is 46' X 44' with 12 foot ceilings. There is also an apartment over the top.

The shop needs to be finished before this Camaro comes home.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG950999_zps5e8694e4.jpg

Great pic Mark, beautiful home, amazing garage. Can't wait to see the car finished.

[GregWeld]

Going from 720 sqft to 2024 sqft plus a 880 sqft loft.... Lots more space and 12 foot ceiling so I can get a hoist.





HEAVEN!!!!





EEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Sieg]

Going from 720 sqft to 2024 sqft plus a 880 sqft loft.... Lots more space and 12 foot ceiling so I can get a hoist.
Looking forward to seeing how you engineer the space. :thumbsup:

[bdahlg68]

Mark you look like you're the same height as Weld in that pic! Hope the shop is just that big!

[Operations]

Great pic Mark, beautiful home, amazing garage. Can't wait to see the car finished.

Nice diggs!

[waynieZ]

Going from 720 sqft to 2024 sqft plus a 880 sqft loft.... Lots more space and 12 foot ceiling so I can get a hoist.

Sweet! Mine is 720 and I know how it got filled in a hurry ,and I'm not doing anything like you do. Enjoy it. I can't wait to see what come out of there.

[aggie91]

Very nice shop. Just need to see the inside space...

[sik68]

:idea: Will there be a Stielow garage journal thread? (http://garagejournal.com/forum/) :stirthepot:

[Stielow]

Very nice shop. Just need to see the inside space...

The inside is not finished but has a lot of walls that need to go. That's not my boat it is the guys I'm buying the house from. We close Aug. 22.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4589_zps874c4c02.jpg

This is upstairs also roughed in but not finished. Trying to decide apartment, man cave, or storage?

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_4590_zpsba007539.jpg

Should be a cool place when it is done.

Mark

[bdahlg68]

Still in the Franklin area?

[GregWeld]

Hopefully there's not too many bearing walls!!


Looks great Mark!



Congrats on the move!

[waynieZ]

That's ok walls are easy to come out!

[Stielow]

Hopefully there's not too many bearing walls!!


Looks great Mark!



Congrats on the move!

The trusses are load bearing free span, so no issue pulling the walls out. The guy had plans to wall it off to have a wood shop and a cold storage area, I think I would like open shop area and keep a couple rooms for bath room, storage room and a utility room.

The new house is in Milford backing to a state park.

The attached garage is also 26 deep by 36 wide.... Lots a room for drivers.

[GregWeld]

The trusses are load bearing free span, so no issue pulling the walls out. The guy had plans to wall it off to have a wood shop and a cold storage area, I think I would like open shop area and keep a couple rooms for bath room, storage room and a utility room.

The new house is in Milford backing to a state park.

The attached garage is also 26 deep by 36 wide.... Lots a room for drivers.





ONLY THE STIEGELOW would get that damn lucky! Awesome!

[69x22]

sounds like a nice place...

[Rick D]

Nice new diggs Mark. So does that mean it will be a little longer before the Camaro is finished? Looks like you will have a new project on your hands.

[andreb]

As cool as your car builds are, your shop build is going to be awesome! Maybe even anither book: How to Build a Pro Touring Shop :king:

[aggie91]

That's cool that it is not finished out inside. Lets you make changes that you want.

Should be a great place once you are done.

[kwhizz]

I remember another garage picture of a "Younger" Stig-a-low on the cover of Car Craft.....You have "Arrived".......LOL

[Stielow]

Ken

It was Sept 2002 Popular Hot Rodding....

My old shop when the floor was shinny. That was a lot of projects ago. My old shop was great. Lots of good memories.

Mark

[coolwelder62]

I still have all those issue's in my rack next to my TV chair.:thumbsup:

[Jay Hilliard]

For upstairs, I would HAVE to go with man cave with some storage. Nice place! congrats!

[MTMouse]

For upstairs, I would HAVE to go with man cave with some storage. Nice place! congrats!

X2. I would need a place to smoke my cigars, after long day of working on the car.:cheers:

[syborg tt]

Mark I blame you for bringing back my addiction. I had it under control till you built the Mule ( I am also blaming Popular Hot Rodding). The Mule was the "Car" that got me back into working on cars again and I can't thank you enough. It has been a fun road and I and I have made some great friends because of it.

Ken

It was Sept 2002 Popular Hot Rodding....

My old shop when the floor was shinny. That was a lot of projects ago. My old shop was great. Lots of good memories.

Mark

[MTMouse]

Mark I blame you for bringing back my addiction. I had it under control till you built the Mule ( I am also blaming Popular Hot Rodding). The Mule was the "Car" that got me back into working on cars again and I can't thank you enough. It has been a fun road and I and I have made some great friends because of it.

I concur with Marty; I was out of the 'car sceen' for many years until I saw The Mule on the cover one day and said, "Wow'. I picked up the magazine and started buying car magazines from then on...waiting for the day I could afford to 'buy' back in. :thumbsup:

You were my little 'crack dealer'....gave me a little sample and had me hooked.:happy23:

[frojoe]

This is upstairs also roughed in but not finished. Trying to decide apartment, man cave, or storage?

Mark

Can't it be all of these at the same time?

[Keithq68]

Hi Mark.

First of all, great build as always.

I'm working on a 69 Camaro now that needs some extra space up front.
Is there any chance you could take some dimensions of your front fender so I can see how much more room I will have?

Keith Quinn.

[Matt@BOS]

Speaking of Anvil fenders. I tried to send you a pm the other day but your box was full. I did some test fitting and test driving and found a couple things that may be helpful to you before you get to paint. In any case I'm interested on comparing notes between the fiberglass and carbon fiber.

Matt

[Stielow]

Speaking of Anvil fenders. I tried to send you a pm the other day but your box was full. I did some test fitting and test driving and found a couple things that may be helpful to you before you get to paint. In any case I'm interested on comparing notes between the fiberglass and carbon fiber.

Matt

Sorry cleaned it out. Yes let's compare notes.

[next69]

How is the shop coming along Mark? Hopefully things are going well, can't wait for more updates on XV.

[clill]

Mark is moving stuff as we speak.

[coachwinbush]

what rear end are you using in this one

[andreb]

Can't wait to see pics of that new shop!

[Stielow]

A quick update. The exhaust is done. Looks great 1/4 inch below the DSE frame rail! We use the Too Much Fab canister for a pass through for the DSE Shock canister pass through. Makes a clean install and easy to tune.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00169_zpsd6ac39d5.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00170_zps8891f797.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00171_zps03d36495.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00172_zps175143c8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00173_zps6d5216ce.jpg://

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00173_zps6d5216ce.jpg

[GregWeld]

As we would expect from you ---- pure perfection!


Really nice job on the headers! Wow.

[Ppd1979]

All I can say is wow.

[Ron in SoCal]

Looks great Mark! I have two questions for you:

- what's the caninster in front of each muffler, a cat?
- Sent you a PM. Can you explain the difference between active and passive sensors on the SKF hubs? Pretty sure it's only the ZR1 variety?

Thanks Mark :cheers:

[brownz]

A hitch ball welded on the jack stand???

[Ns RS]

Question is will Charley beg to upgrade Jackass with the calibrated ABS or will he just buy this next?

2nd to last pic carbon ceramic with ABS casually presented to us minions. Awe inspiring and freaking bad ass dude.

[camcojb]

A hitch ball welded on the jack stand???The frame has matching cups welded in so the stands are very secure, no sliding on the frame.

[camcojb]

As we would expect from you ---- pure perfection!


Really nice job on the headers! Wow.
I believe those are from Jim Browning, one of our vendors.

http://www.lateral-g.net/_banners/ultimate_100.jpg (http://ultimateheaders.com/)

[coolwelder62]

Lookin great Mark.:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

A hitch ball welded on the jack stand???
Nice observation.......brilliant idea IMO.

[camcojb]

Nice observation.......brilliant idea IMO.
He did that on "Mayhem" also, great idea.

[89 RS]

Looking good. :thumbsup:

[dontlifttoshift]

We use the Too Much Fab canister for a pass through for the DSE Shock canister pass through. Makes a clean install and easy to tune.


It's nice to only have to get under the car for rebound. Back to Afcos?

[TomT]

We use the Too Much Fab canister for a pass through for the DSE Shock canister pass through. Makes a clean install and easy to tune.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130919-00169_zpsd6ac39d5.jpg

I assume the Too Much Fab canisters are for the fuel tank and rear axle vents. When you say you used them for pass-thru, how did you use them? Did you drill the flanges to run the pass-thru lines for the shock canisters? I sure would love to see a detail photo of how the lines actually pass thru.

[garickman]

When you say you used them for pass-thru, how did you use them? Did you drill the flanges to run the pass-thru lines for the shock canisters? I sure would love to see a detail photo of how the lines actually pass thru.

Me too!

[Stielow]

It's nice to only have to get under the car for rebound. Back to Afcos?

I'm going to use JRIs but I had Afcos for mock up. The Afcos aren't as good but much easier to tune for track and street.

Mark

[dontlifttoshift]

I don't know how Mark did it, but we drilled the 2 1/2" hole for the vent can first. then we drill a smaller hole next to it large enough for a grommet that fit the hose snugly. Then file the remaining metal between the two holes to form a "keyhole". Then the order of assembly is shock canister through the big hole in the floor, slide the grommet and hose into the small end of the keyhole, and then install the vent can.

Here is a shot from underneath. The hose looks really close to the exhaust, it is not. The other plus side to doing it this way, is you run the shocks inverted so the rebound adjustment is easily accessible. Especially important with the JRi shocks.

http://frameupwheelworks.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-SxHq6vG/0/M/044-M.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I get it, nice job Donny.

It won't work in our set up, I may try to hide a plate behind the tubing so its not visable from the trunk side.

[Ron in SoCal]

Yep we just made a close out plate on mine. I did notice Ridetech made a nice alum piece on the G/RS thread.

[coolwelder62]

I don't know how Mark did it, but we drilled the 2 1/2" hole for the vent can first. then we drill a smaller hole next to it large enough for a grommet that fit the hose snugly. Then file the remaining metal between the two holes to form a "keyhole". Then the order of assembly is shock canister through the big hole in the floor, slide the grommet and hose into the small end of the keyhole, and then install the vent can.

Here is a shot from underneath. The hose looks really close to the exhaust, it is not. The other plus side to doing it this way, is you run the shocks inverted so the rebound adjustment is easily accessible. Especially important with the JRi shocks.

http://frameupwheelworks.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-SxHq6vG/0/M/044-M.jpgDonny,is there a build thread on your mustang!!!!

[dontlifttoshift]

Nope. That's Rich Gregory's Camaro that we put together.

[69MAROLS7]

Love the new project!.. Mark you always up the ante and everyone here appreciates the work and ideas you come up with.. Much respect:thumbsup:

[dave96dcm]

Dumb question, can you buy ball receiver cups or is it just a pipe with a cap welded?

[coolwelder62]

Dumb question, can you buy ball receiver cups or is it just a pipe with a cap welded?This is what I would use.http://www.kingmetals.com/Catalog/ItemContent.aspx?ItemNumber=6106

[Sieg]

This is what I would use.http://www.kingmetals.com/Catalog/ItemContent.aspx?ItemNumber=6106
Thank you.......Mark & Scott :thumbsup:

[BonzoHansen]

In all the talk about cooling, I don't think I saw what coolant you use. Kind of curious about that.





I purchased a 2nd Gen. Not sure what to do with it yet. It is just a driver now.
:confused59: here is the overlooked comment of the thread....

[dave96dcm]

This is what I would use.http://www.kingmetals.com/Catalog/ItemContent.aspx?ItemNumber=6106

Thanks Scott.

[coolwelder62]

Thanks Scott.I don't know what Matt @Sled Alley used but that's how I might atack it.:thumbsup:

[Sled Alley]

I used a pice of tubing 1/4 wall and capped it welding cap inside and out just to make sure its over kill for the weight of the car

[formula88]

Some photos of Camaro XV's progress from the weekly Saturday morning pilgrimage to Sled Alley.....


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8334.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8334.jpg.html)


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8329.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8329.jpg.html)

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8337.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8337.jpg.html)

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8345.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8345.jpg.html)

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8353.jpg (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/67CamaroLS7/media/Camaro%20XV/DSC_8353.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Thanks Gordon!



That was a great start to my Sunday morning!



Maybe I could out bid Charley on this one and then show up at a NorCal Shelby Club event with it and put a whoopin' on some unsuspecting old Mustangs....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --- In my dreams!

[Che70velle]

Thanks Gordon!



That was a great start to my Sunday morning!



Maybe I could out bid Charley on this one and then show up at a NorCal Shelby Club event with it and put a whoopin' on some unsuspecting old Mustangs....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA --- In my dreams!


Outbid charley? Now that's funny!

[PTAddict]

Wow. This one goes to Eleven.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

You mean it's not in paint yet?!?!:faint:

[fleetus macmullitz]

#15 looks awesome already.

Is it wrong to be getting psyched up about Camaro 16 as well?.


:D

[Sieg]

Good looking exhaust system. :thumbsup:

Using OEM calipers to keep the costs down huh? :D

[streetbird]

The carbon front clip look simply goergous

[Stielow]

A couple more shots from my crappy Blackberry.

To package the air cleaner was a bit of a task. Having all the inlet air come from the grill and sealed from the underhood air is worth a lot in power and drivability.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130928-00187_zps707960a5.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130928-00188_zps2bf96321.jpg

We tried something new for the front A-piler bars. We sunk them into the structure in the hinge piler to get more room for stuff under the dash and to keep them away from my ankels. Now I can have a dead pedal and keep the stock parking brake.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130928-00189_zps336a688a.jpg

Matt also weled the bar to the dash on the pass through.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130928-00192_zpsec8a74f8.jpg

[65_LS1_T56]

Looks great Mark. Sinking it into the hinge pillars has to add big time to the rigidity.

[coolwelder62]

Very Cool Mark.:thumbsup:

[suark]

Looking good Mark! How much reinforcing do you do to the floor for your integrated crossmember? Do you have any pics? Thanks

[Sonar Chief]

:thumbsup: very cool!! When does she get to move into the new house?

[kwhizz]

:king:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

yep, I love everything about this car

[Sieg]

yep, I love everything about this car
Yep.......lessons learned each year and applied the next year. The Stielow Team just keeps raising the bar.......and unlocking doors. :thumbsup:

[Jr]

wrong thread.

Car looks killer!

[next69]

Any updates on XV or the shop?

[GregWeld]

Any updates on XV or the shop?




Leave the man alone! He's been real busy bringing us the new Z/28….



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[coachwinbush]

looking good

[LS7 Z/28]

Congrats on another great finish at OUSCI Mark. I'm sure driving Mayhem again gave you a lot of motivation to work on XV.

[Stielow]

Sorry guys for no updates. I've been very busy with the 2014i Z/28 Camaro and my shop. The car has left Sled Alley and is at the Dutchboys. Matt at Sled Alley did a awesome job on this car. It was there for almost two years getting work done. Matt is a top notch guy and his craftsman ship is great. I really like working with him because he gets it. We only had to rework a couple small things to get them the way I wanted them. For a project this big and complex that is very good. Now the VanNus's have it to paint. Another top flight bunch of guys. Working with this guys make the projects fun and allows me to do my day job and get stuff done.

My goal is to have my new shop done by Feb to line up when the car is back from paint. I will assemble it at my house. I like having the backyard shop.

Attached are a couple shots for the Dutchboy's. I'll try to post more later.

Mark

[Stielow]

If I did not post this here this is the new shop. 45' X 45' with a full upstairs 45' X 20'. The ceiling on the main floor are 12 feet tall so I'm setting it up for a hoist. It was built in 2001 and never finished. We have been moving walls, adding a bathroom, rewiring and adding heat. Hope to up and running in Feb.

[coolwelder62]

The new shop in awesome Mark.Very classy.

[frankv11]

Now there's a shop that even the wife would love.
You definetly got estilo stielow!

[GregWeld]

OMG --- Is that an F-150 in the driveway?? LOL



Looking great Mark!


Really like the style of the shop. Having a lift will have you NEVER going back to using jackstands and a creeper. Well - you still may hang out with Charley once in awhile - but he's a different kind of creeper. LOL

[WSSix]

Greg beat me to it about the F150, lol.

I'm excited to see the paint scheme on this one. I thought Mayhem was great and very distinctive.

Glad the car is moving along nicely, Mark. Do you have a new projected completion date you're aiming for or are you just going to take your time and enjoy it?

[Sieg]

Very nice Mark! Beautiful bride, new shop, Z/28 project......I'd say 2013 was pretty good to you. Have a wonderful Christmas. :thumbsup:

[Wissing72]

OMG --- Is that an F-150 in the driveway?? LOL




Greg beat me to it about the F150, lol.


:lmao: :lmao: I noticed the truck first thing as well.
The car is looking good. Thanks for keeping us in the loop.

[Rick D]

Marks wife works for Ford!!! :D

[Vince@Meanstreets]

OMG --- Is that an F-150 in the driveway?? LOL


Greg beat me to it about the F150, lol.



:lmao: :lmao: I noticed the truck first thing as well.


gotta be a pool guy hooking up his hot tub upstairs.

[camcojb]

OMG --- Is that an F-150 in the driveway?? LOL

You know where his wife works, right? :lol:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

i guess opposits do attract.

[fleetus macmullitz]

gotta be a pool guy hooking up his hot tub upstairs.

i guess opposits do attract.

:lol:

Vince...FTW!

[wiedemab]

Maybe she'll build a Mustang and give him a run for his money!

[carbuff]

That's not a shop, that looks like a house! :) Love it, and am quite jealous... Congrats!

[Sparks67]

OMG --- Is that an F-150 in the driveway?? LOL


I guess you are not on Facebook, but in his attached garage is a new 2014 2500 D-MAX. Maybe Mark will post it.

[GregWeld]

I guess you are not on Facebook, but in his attached garage is a new 2014 2500 D-MAX. Maybe Mark will post it.



I had teens in the house THEY are on Faceybook...

[WSSix]

Maybe she'll build a Mustang and give him a run for his money!

That would be awesome! Talk about a house divided.

[coolwelder62]

Those new F-150's are an amazing truck's.

[Stielow]

I guess you are not on Facebook, but in his attached garage is a new 2014 2500 D-MAX. Maybe Mark will post it.

The new attached garage can fit 2 full size trucks a '69 Camaro and junk.

I wanted an attached garage you can pull into and open the doors on your vehicles.

Right now we have my company vehicle a 2015 2500 HD, Laura's company vehicle a 2014 King Ranch F-150 and Jack Ass in the attached garage.

Mark

[Stielow]

The Dutchboys are hard at the body the attached photos look good.

[glassman]

Looking great....is this one a "keeper"?

[GregWeld]

Man would I ever have a hard time putting sand paper to that carbon fiber!!! LOL


Looks great Mark.


Do you two ever have the "my truck does "X" and your's doesn't" discussion?


Just kidding.

[LS7 Z/28]

Man would I ever have a hard time putting sand paper to that carbon fiber!!! LOL.

In my experience the parts fit very well, much better than reproduction steel, but the finish is not to my standards as far as looking as nice as paint will. My fenders have fingerprints under the clear coat that you can see in the sun, along with a few specs of debris here and there. Not sure how Mark's parts are. Not trying to throw Anvil under the bus, I will still buy more from them and am planning on it, just not leaving them exposed.

[Stielow]

Do you two ever have the "my truck does "X" and your's doesn't" discussion?


Just kidding.

Yes all the time. Ford does some stuff well. Laura just got her 2014 F-150 and we drove it to Torch Lake. Ford changed the steering from 2013 to 2014. There My Touch system really sucks. But her truck tows a 26 foot enclosed well enough. Not as well as my 2500 HD D-Max but if you need to will get it done.

If you compare the 2014 Chevrolet 1/2 ton truck to the Ford 1/2 ton the GM wins hands down. My only issue with the 2014 GM Full Size Truck is the new radio controls are bad. Seems to be a common issue on a lot of new vehicles.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Those Dutchboys...

We all are very excited about the new car. As always Mark and Matt have stepped it up again. This car is bound to be the best one yet. We also have a cool paint sceme coming together. I'm sure Mark will share as we get a little closer to paint!

[Stielow]

Those Dutchboys...

We all are very excited about the new car. As always Mark and Matt have stepped it up again. This car is bound to be the best one yet. We also have a cool paint sceme coming together. I'm sure Mark will share as we get a little closer to paint!

With help from Joe and Paul we mocked up some graphics that was doable. Then I had Murray Pfaff take the concept to a rendering. We are getting close on a final design and color. Mainly we are running out of time so the plan is coming together..

I will post a teaser later this week.

Working with the DutchBoys is always a pleasure!

Mark

[214Chevy]

In my experience the parts fit very well, much better than reproduction steel, but the finish is not to my standards as far as looking as nice as paint will. My fenders have fingerprints under the clear coat that you can see in the sun, along with a few specs of debris here and there. Not sure how Mark's parts are. Not trying to throw Anvil under the bus, I will still buy more from them and am planning on it, just not leaving them exposed.

I'm pretty sure carbon isn't as straight as people would like it to be because it is hand laid. Therefore, imperfections exist. Although, due to it being very pricey, many people expect it to be perfect aesthetically.

[GregWeld]

I'm pretty sure carbon isn't as straight as people would like it to be because it is hand laid. Therefore, imperfections exist. Although, due to it being very pricey, many people expect it to be perfect aesthetically.



The CF my son is doing at Enlaes.com is flawless... but it's also not "production" work like these kinds of parts are... and the molds are perfect -- and it's being built more for strength than light weight. SO I think it "depends" on what you're building and the purpose.

[bonecrrusher]

Awesome looking shop - like the updates on the Camaro!

[96z28ss]

I'm pretty sure carbon isn't as straight as people would like it to be because it is hand laid. Therefore, imperfections exist. Although, due to it being very pricey, many people expect it to be perfect aesthetically.

If the mold surface is straight then the parts that come off the mold are straight. Not sure what process they use but if its vacuum bagged and put into an autoclave the parts should be real good.

MFNaoklYELY

[96z28ss]

Are you going to leave a carbon fiber exposed bumble bee stripe?
I'm only guessing cause there is no body work on the front of the car.

[andreb]

I keep watching for updates on the Camaro and the new shop!!! :computer:

[89 RS]

That new shop is incredible, that thing is huge! Good to hear about progress on the Camaro, look forward to seeing more. :thumbsup:

[coachwinbush]

is that the 16 inch or the 12 inch borla muffler just curious about to order and didn't want to get the wrong part thanks

[jimbo]

Is it in color yet?

[windycitychev]

A quick update. We had my new Camaro together as a roller for my car party.


The dry sump placement in the cowl. Check out the headers they are from Ultimate Headers they are shorty and fit great.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130512-002162_zpscb31133a.jpg

The radiator from Dewitt with the SRX fan, oil cooler, transmission cooler and power steering cooler. The core is 24" X 23" so it's fairly big.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130118-00005_zps6874deb8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/SouthfieldCity-20130124-00024_zps87e5b259.jpg

New throttle body inlet before we weld it up and metal finish it.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00232_zpsbe3aadcf.jpg

Anvil front clip and my hood.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00228_zps89c3637d.jpg


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00230_zps04af887e.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00233_zps116320c8.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XV/IMG-20130519-00231_zps74375196.jpg

it looks awesome going through the entire build

[Damn True]

I could use a set of those donut spares. Where did you source them?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=44096&stc=1&d=1387634272

[syborg tt]

I could use a set of those donut spares. Where did you source them?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=44096&stc=1&d=1387634272

I have 4 sitting on a pallet here.

You can pic them up cheap they look to be s10 blazer spare tires.

ps you may have to take off the rotors to make them fit.

[dhutton]

I could use a set of those donut spares. Where did you source them?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=44096&stc=1&d=1387634272

04-06 GTO spares work too. I got four on ebay but the price has risen considerably since then.

Don

[Jr]

I could use a set of those donut spares. Where did you source them?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=44096&stc=1&d=1387634272

I asked Mark a long time ago about those...they are old C-4/C-5 corvette spares. He said to get them cheap off of eBay.

[Stielow]

I asked Mark a long time ago about those...they are old C-4/C-5 corvette spares. He said to get them cheap off of eBay.

Yep aluminum C-4 spares. Took me 8 months on Ebay and swap meets but never paid more than $20 each.

They work great and clear DSE spindles.

Maybe if Paul and Joe will read this they will post some pictures.

Mark

[Stielow]

Camaro update:

Engine Update:

I stopped by Thomson Automotive and they started on my engine. I have a block, well I think it is my block. Looks like all the part are there so It will break up the winter blahs if we can dyno it soon.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG-20140214-002412_zps962ddd02.jpg

Paint Update:

I think the Dutchboys are going to beat my engine done. LOL The car is in the paint both and the PPG paint is there ready to go next week.

Here is a photo Paul sent today of the front sub-frame ready to go into the car. They are on it!

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG_91612_zpsf3980e12.jpg

Shop Update:

My general contractor has slipped 6 weeks so that is not done either. The dry wall guy is scheduled for next week. I need the shop done before the car can come home. It sucks not being home to work on it so it will get done soon. The work they have done so far is nice. I added plywood to the lower wall like in my old shop.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/photo1e2_zpsfa2cac3c.jpg

So it is a race between the Paint work, the engine and my shop on which will finish first.

Once I get is all home it will be fun finishing the car.


Z/28 Update:

My other bigger project the 2014 Z/28 is on time and is launching great. Look for a ton of track shoot-outs features coming out soon.

The cars we beat on track in these shoot outs will shock some of you. Stay tuned more to come!

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG-20140131-002062_zps04c25ce1.jpg

It's been a busy year so far!

Mark

[waynieZ]

You've worked hard and earned what you do, but Man you have got a great job and hobby. I love seeing your posts. Thanks!

[GregWeld]

Hey Mark -- I'll call Thomson in the morning and tell them how to spell your name....


And -- it should have MISTER in front of it don't ya think??


Would Charley and I be faster if we had the new Z/28 instead of our clapped out Mustangs?? LOL


It's a rhetorical question....

[Sieg]

Congrats Mark! Busy in a great way. :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Camaro update:

Engine Update:

I stopped by Thomson Automotive and they started on my engine. I have a block, well I think it is my block. Looks like all the part are there so It will break up the winter blahs if we can dyno it soon.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG-20140214-002412_zps962ddd02.jpg

Paint Update:

I think the Dutchboys are going to beat my engine done. LOL The car is in the paint both and the PPG paint is there ready to go next week.

Here is a photo Paul sent today of the front sub-frame ready to go into the car. They are on it!

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG_91612_zpsf3980e12.jpg

Shop Update:

My general contractor has slipped 6 weeks so that is not done either. The dry wall guy is scheduled for next week. I need the shop done before the car can come home. It sucks not being home to work on it so it will get done soon. The work they have done so far is nice. I added plywood to the lower wall like in my old shop.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/photo1e2_zpsfa2cac3c.jpg

So it is a race between the Paint work, the engine and my shop on which will finish first.

Once I get is all home it will be fun finishing the car.


Z/28 Update:

My other bigger project the 2014 Z/28 is on time and is launching great. Look for a ton of track shoot-outs features coming out soon.

The cars we beat on track in these shoot outs will shock some of you. Stay tuned more to come!

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG-20140131-002062_zps04c25ce1.jpg

It's been a busy year so far!

Mark

too much to comput....head exploded

[Stielow]

Hey Mark -- I'll call Thomson in the morning and tell them how to spell your name....


And -- it should have MISTER in front of it don't ya think??


Would Charley and I be faster if we had the new Z/28 instead of our clapped out Mustangs?? LOL


It's a rhetorical question....

The guys at Thomson Auto are very busy with the shop right now. They painted all the floors and walls. The place looks great now.

If you are ever in Detroit it is worth a trip by to check the place out. It is cool place to just look around at.

You guys would be faster in the Z/28 then the old Mustangs. The Z/28 is a hoot on the track.

Mark

[clill]

Shut up.

[GregWeld]

Shut up.




Think of the money you're going to save by NOT ordering the 918.... You could have TWO new Z/28's! Because you need a back up car...

[Sieg]

Shut up.

Sold

[clill]

I already sold the Mule and next up is Jackass. I'm trying to ween myself off of Steelow...cars :-)