32 Ford "tweaks" and a few mods

[GregWeld]

Keep the money and pick up your car. Doubt they will give it up now...



Oh -- there's two choices here... he can try to stand toe to toe with me.... he wouldn't be the first or the last... or he can just do what he should as a good businessman and make the little POS right and get his paycheck. Some guys just have a hard time understanding that making the right choice is paramount. At this point it can go either way. While I hope he chooses to just get busy and fix the couple things that aren't right - and get some billable hours for the couple other things I asked for them to do... I expect the worst and that I'll have to turn it over to my attorneys and just let them write letters back and forth with his attorneys - the deal is there - I don't really care what that all costs and I'm thinking he probably does. It's a no win for them either way. They've lost a customer - they've lost any referrals - I'll be telling this story to every Tom Dick and Harry at every show for as long as I own the car... He can turn that around or he can run the ship aground. I can only react at this point. Every action gets a reaction -- fix it - get paid - or play a game of chicken which just raises the stakes. Play that game and the stakes can get real high real fast. He'll just have to ask himself what is the easier road - fix it and get er done and gone - or be a 'big shot' and let his ego get in the way of running a business.

[jocko124]

Jocko ---

You'll have to read my latest post -- I may or may not get the car back for awhile --- it seems to be temporarily being held hostage.... :rofl:

IF -- BIG IF -- I get a speedy resolution... the StarDrive is YOURS FREE. I even have the instructions.

Thanks Greg, I really appreciate it. Just let me know when.

[Flash68]

or he can just do what he should as a good businessman and make the little POS right and get his paycheck.

I hear what you're saying but the conundrum I see here is that you have quite clearly shown that they are incompetent and very possibly INCAPABLE of fixing the POS to your standards... from a mechanical standpoint.

I'd pull it and send it somewhere who has proven they can handle the mechanical issues you keep uncovering.

[Lenie]

Greg, that had to be one long ride back to Portland. I know how my mind works when I'm fuming over being ripped off no matter the dollar amount and let me tell you it's not good! At times, what's going through my mind and what I print are two different tales only because I'm trying to be an honorable citizen in our great country. Stealing is stealing, doesn't matter how one tries to twist a story to justify their means. Best of luck to you, hopefully they choose the honorable path and it is quickly resolved.

[Matt@BOS]

Perhaps it is none of our business, but since you've been airing everything else out, it got me wondering. Of the 19k that you've held payment on, how much of that amounts to blatantly defective work, like improperly installed parts? SAR is a small shop now, and that amount of money, or lack thereof, can interrupt cash flow, so I can definitely understand why he would ask for 16k (even though that seems bold considering your track record with billing - it isn't like he would have to worry about getting the money). Threatening you for it though, clearly wasn't a good business decision.

I'm with Dave. If it were me, I'd just pay what was fair and walk away. Maybe you're not as big of an A-hole as you give yourself credit for being. Not many of us would stick around to see if things could be made right on the third attempt. Then again most of us wouldn't fight it out until the end with lawyers. So, maybe you're just more stubborn than the rest of us.

If you're dealing with a similar ego to the Riddler winning one that I've dealt with, then if things get ugly I will be living vicariously through you. :rofl: I hope it never gets to that point though.

Matt

[Phaeton]

Funny it sounds like he needs money bad, yet it was not to long ago he was bragging about getting many brown paper bags full of money.

Greg it has been very entertaining. I bet when you started this thread you never imagined it going this far.

[jy211]

Cars are only fun when you're doing it for your own personal satisfaction.

That statement is the truth! :thumbsup:

[HRBS]

Now == there is no denying that I'm a certified bungholio...

When we meet, please introduce yourself as bungholio. I will try to duplicate the exact laugh I just had at your expense. :rofl:

That car is like a red headed stepchild. You should hang a picture of it in the "shed", point to it and say "oh... and that ones mine too".

[toddshotrods]

...Cars are only fun when you're doing it for your own personal satisfaction. Doing it for pay - no thanks... There's only like one Foose for every 100,000
"guys" out there trudging away.
That statement is the truth! :thumbsup:
Coming from the other side of the coin (one of the "guys" who has been trudging away), that's not always true. The problem is the relationship between owner and builder is a special one and it's probably second only to finding the right husband and wife combo in level difficulty. When you get it right it's (relative) bliss, when it's not it's a living hell for both...

From the (financially) broken builder's point of view, there is nothing better than having a compatible customer who's willing to (financially and mentally) go where you are. It's freedom, because you can pour your heart and soul into the vehicle, and then move on to the next one. For some of us, the "experience" is in the build, not in the "ride". The magic is gone soon after the vehicle is "finished" so having someone waiting in line to do it all over is golden. My problem is my customers were almost as broke as I was. :lol:

Greg just got in bed with the wrong one, but I love how he's playing the game. If I was (the builder) on the other side of the table from him, I would just hire someone to come in and help get the car running right, and move on... He's right, you just have to stick a pin in your ego, at that point, and get the issue resolved. I've been there. It hurts a little, but not nearly as much as trying to dig in and fight it out.

[GregWeld]

Perhaps it is none of our business, but since you've been airing everything else out, it got me wondering. Of the 19k that you've held payment on, how much of that amounts to blatantly defective work, like improperly installed parts? SAR is a small shop now, and that amount of money, or lack thereof, can interrupt cash flow, so I can definitely understand why he would ask for 16k (even though that seems bold considering your track record with billing - it isn't like he would have to worry about getting the money). Threatening you for it though, clearly wasn't a good business decision.

I'm with Dave. If it were me, I'd just pay what was fair and walk away. Maybe you're not as big of an A-hole as you give yourself credit for being. Not many of us would stick around to see if things could be made right on the third attempt. Then again most of us wouldn't fight it out until the end with lawyers. So, maybe you're just more stubborn than the rest of us.

If you're dealing with a similar ego to the Riddler winning one that I've dealt with, then if things get ugly I will be living vicariously through you. :rofl: I hope it never gets to that point though.

Matt



Mattman....


Just to show I have my balz in the right place - I wire transferred $15K to the shop this morning.... so he'll have that in his account TODAY. As is the case in most of these sordid stories - there are things that have not been told. I'm holding some very important info back. I'm only letting you peak behind the curtain.

I've always trusted the shop to do the work - to make it right - etc. There was never any question in my mind about that. These are good hard working very talented, honorable folks. I do - however - question the ability to get it right on CERTAIN portions of the build. And with a build of this quality - I do not "expect" to have to have recurring issues. It should be a "fix" - move on - oh another issue - fix it and move on. What I don't like is the "attitude". But then again - I'm only a good paying customer.... and apparently there's lots of us around. :rofl:

My mistake was not dropping the car off in So San Fran at Brizios on my way home from Santa Barbara... they told me it would be 3 weeks before they could even start to look at the car... they're SWAMPED with builds.... I wanted the car DONE for Pleasanton - so after discussing this with both shops via cell phone (a no no while driving and pulling a trailer I know!) I chose to take it to the builder and give them the chance to make it right. And they did make many of the items right and I'm happy with those results. But even in that discussion --- when I asked that the car be repaired and available for Pleasanton (there was plenty of time) I was told "it'll be done when it's done". The PROPER response would have been and should have been -- We'll be on it immediately and will do everything we can to get 'er done. Can't promise that because we might need parts etc that can hold us up but we'll do everything we can. DOH!

So my balz are in the right court - I sleep well at night. :woot:

[GregWeld]

Funny it sounds like he needs money bad, yet it was not to long ago he was bragging about getting many brown paper bags full of money.

Greg it has been very entertaining. I bet when you started this thread you never imagined it going this far.


I think that this has become an issue for many shops - actually many businesses period - that had so much business they turned people away. Now however - the shizel has hit the fan - and it will separate the wheat from the chafe.

Brizios shop is so busy he couldn't even take the car in for 3 weeks! SAR will take your car in 3 nanoseconds.

[GregWeld]

When we meet, please introduce yourself as bungholio. I will try to duplicate the exact laugh I just had at your expense. :rofl:

That car is like a red headed stepchild. You should hang a picture of it in the "shed", point to it and say "oh... and that ones mine too".



MISTER Bungholio to you!


So --- this is turning into a BLOG (per Rodger at Ironworks).... and he's right.
But I have to laugh at your stepchild remark and add this info.

I bought a SAR 34 neon sign.... I thought it would be cool to hang in the shop and it's even numbered and autographed...

I have not even opened the box (it's LARGE). It's just sitting in a corner - because I'm seriously considering (no joke here) taking it to SEMA if there's shooting range close to town there - and letting my buddies take pot shots at it - making a video of that (and the hysterical laughter and comments it would no doubt have) and posting it on YouTube. What a f'n hoot that would be!

[GregWeld]

He's right, you just have to stick a pin in your ego, at that point, and get the issue resolved. I've been there. It hurts a little, but not nearly as much as trying to dig in and fight it out.


Well said Todd.... just get the damn thing done - go over EVERY nut and bolt - kiss my arse with a decent apology and make sure when it goes out the door the SOB is as near perfect as it can get.

If money is an issue -- dude! Just say so and I'm the first one that will reach a hand down and help out. I've been doing that all along... no questions... never played that card by throwing it in their face. I will now because after bending over backwards - I've also been bent over forward and I don't like the feeling of both hands on my hips! :woot: :wow: :rofl:

[GregWeld]

Greg...I love you. LMAO



XOXO right back!

It is fun - isn't it!?:D

[Ron in SoCal]

I think SAR knows you can out lawyer them and I would imagine that is the last thing a shop struggling w cashflow wants to do. Not that I think it will come to it, because you sent them a chunk of change. But you also have one other card here SAR should be concerned about. 51k views on your build thread. Once it's on the internet it's there forever. Imagine if you started a thread on some of the other forums that specialize in your car? -- one example

http://www.automotiveforums.com has 679k members!

I'd imagine that would put a dent in SARs business ultimately...

[hifi875]

very interesting and entertaining thread(not entertaining for you though), but my father in-law is going through what seems to me a parallel story to yours with a 67 chevy II. Has a ton of money in it(ls-9,6l90 full tci chasis, paul atkins interior). lots of things that you would take for granted that should work but don't work properly if you want to drive it and beat the *&^ out of it. builder is not receptive to fixing issues. You are handling this very well it seems and could be a lesson for others on diplomacy.

[GregWeld]

I think SAR knows you can out lawyer them and I would imagine that is the last thing a shop struggling w cashflow wants to do. Not that I think it will come to it, because you sent them a chunk of change. But you also have one other card here SAR should be concerned about. 51k views on your build thread. Once it's on the internet it's there forever. Imagine if you started a thread on some of the other forums that specialize in your car? -- one example

http://www.automotiveforums.com has 679k members!

I'd imagine that would put a dent in SARs business ultimately...


Ron -- I'm not out to damage anyone.... I gave this a lot of thought before I even posted it up here. I only decided to because of the lessons that others may gain from it etc. And frankly - because it's all part of the PROJECT which is the thread on this car. Let's ride it to the end. It could have had a far far better ending. It's not the end yet - and I'm giving them every chance possible to step up their game and do what they know is right. I trust they will and this is nothing more than a spat. It's like running over a possum = it's messy but it ain't the end of all humanity. If you knew me personally - you'd know that I'm actually having a little fun with it all. I know I'm weird that way.... right now I'm like a scorned woman. I go all honey until you mess with me -- and then it's scorched earth! The car is like a beauty queen with a stinky you know what. Maybe I can teach her to clean up, and we'll live happily ever after....

[waynieZ]

Greg this kills me never mind what its doing to you. Its not even swallowing his pride its just admitting certain people specialize in certain parts of a build process. If he was having problems with mechanicals he should have brought someone known for being able to fix the problem before it got to you. If it cropped up after you got it he should have done like you said get it in and done right. I know how disappointing this stuff can be. I hope he steps up and does whats right, and doesn't think taking the hard nose route will gain him anything.

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron -- If you knew me personally - you'd know that I'm actually having a little fun with it all. I know I'm weird that way....

The car is like a beauty queen with a stinky you know what.....

You're having fun w a stinky you-know-what? Mad props Greg....you are a little wierd...:rofl: :rofl:

P.S-> The part I did not quote above...I think you're handling it in a well thought out manner. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

very interesting and entertaining thread(not entertaining for you though), but my father in-law is going through what seems to me a parallel story to yours with a 67 chevy II. Has a ton of money in it(ls-9,6l90 full tci chasis, paul atkins interior). lots of things that you would take for granted that should work but don't work properly if you want to drive it and beat the *&^ out of it. builder is not receptive to fixing issues. You are handling this very well it seems and could be a lesson for others on diplomacy.

Sorry to hear this.

Actually -- I think this happens A LOT... people just don't talk about it. It's like nobody talks about how much these cars cost to build either... I think most of us are actually kind of embarrassed that we could spend so much and get so little. :lol: I'm not the "embarrassing" type... I'm quite the opposite -- I try to share my experiences -- good or bad - even at my own expense. Despite being only 3 foot 4 -- I really don't have the little man syndrome - I'm about as up front as a guy can get. I'm the consummate customer everyone would love to have. I want the very very best you can do and ask you what you can do better than that. I EXPECT to pay for that quality. In fact - my discussions on remodeling a house - or doing work for me NEVER EVER centers on the cost. I even remind people "I'm not discussing the cost - don't build my stuff with your wallet... I want you to tell me your very best ideas. Tell me what would be really really cool.... I'll decide if I want it done or not and that decision will not be cost based it'll just be whether or not I think it's cool".

My last house - built in 1923 - was going to be a one month - paint and a little carpet and move in (my friends rib me about this statement to this day!). It ended over a year later with an all walls and ceilings off, complete rewire - replumb - floor structures and wall structures rebuilt cost no object new everything "remodel" (I should have torn it down and built new - it would have been cheaper). I never once asked what any of it was going to cost. Didn't care. Lucky me. I had a great time - enjoyed every minute of it - and it turned out KILLER... Just the way the house I THOUGHT I'd bought should have been. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat. In fact - the house is for sale for little more than I sold it for... and for a couple minutes we thought about buying it back. But then I wouldn't have my beloved shed... and it's the ONLY reason we moved in the first place. Well... that and the shared driveway down to the lake was shared with a coke head multi gazillionaire 2 in the morning electric guitar playing Ferrari driving nutcase! I got tired of the cops coming 3 days a week. :faint: Reminds me of something I did one day after one of his super parties - cops and all - I put my speakers on the deck toward his house - and fired up my stereo about 9 AM.... and left the house. He liked Jimi Hendricks - I put on my kids Barney CD and had the player set to repeat. "I love you - you love me.... we're a happy family".

He was foaming at the mouth.... I laughed so hard I peed my pants. He never did it again. Saw him the other day at the grocery store - we actually laughed over our "spats". HE is clean and sober these days (this time around).

[70rs]

Greg,
I just got up to speed on the thread. I hope this has a happy ending for you. (as in driving the car, not the Hwy 99 kind ;) )
I like the 9am Barney tunes blasting the nieghbor.

[GregWeld]

Greg,
I just got up to speed on the thread. I hope this has a happy ending for you. (as in driving the car, not the Hwy 99 kind ;) )
I like the 9am Barney tunes blasting the nieghbor.

Eric --


I still chuckle to myself every time I think about that event. When I left the house - I was laughing so hard I couldn't hardly get the door locked...

[Blake Foster]

my popcorn is empty?????

BRB

[Bow Tie 67]

Greg,

Thanks for a great read. Yada Yada blah blah all the bad crap. But I love the way you turn this into a positive " lets play ball, dont worry I brought my own glove ( s ) "

Now can I please go back to the picture in my head of you lounging in a red smoking jacket!! :rofl:

Matt

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Thanks for a great read. Yada Yada blah blah all the bad crap. But I love the way you turn this into a positive " lets play ball, dont worry I brought my own glove ( s ) "

Now can I please go back to the picture in my head of you lounging in a red smoking jacket!! :rofl:

Matt


Matt --

I've posted more than once that it "ain't my first goat rodeo".... Stuff like this actually gives me something to do during the day. :rofl: True enough!

If you ever meet me - you'll be shocked. I'm a total blue jeans and car t shirt guy. Getting dressed up means putting on a clean pair of jeans and a clean non torn or burnt t shirt. I even keep a pair of "newish" tennis shoes around for those occasional brushes with dignity.

[Matt@BOS]

Matt --

I've posted more than once that it "ain't my first goat rodeo".... Stuff like this actually gives me something to do during the day. :rofl: True enough!

If you ever meet me - you'll be shocked. I'm a total blue jeans and car t shirt guy. Getting dressed up means putting on a clean pair of jeans and a clean non torn or burnt t shirt. I even keep a pair of "newish" tennis shoes around for those occasional brushes with dignity.

True Story: When we all ran into Greg at Del Mar we first thought he was just one of those random car t-shirt wearing show attendees that had consumed a gallon of beer by 11am and was just yelling at us randomly... turns out he was sober and we actually knew him.

Again, hope everything turns as best as possible at this point. We all know you're more than capable of taking care of yourself.

Matt

p.s. since everyone is eating this drama up, having you considered approaching the Speed Channel about making a tv show entitled "The Real House-Husbands of Washington State?"

[Musclerodz]

Matt --

I've posted more than once that it "ain't my first goat rodeo".... Stuff like this actually gives me something to do during the day. :rofl: True enough!

If you ever meet me - you'll be shocked. I'm a total blue jeans and car t shirt guy. Getting dressed up means putting on a clean pair of jeans and a clean non torn or burnt t shirt. I even keep a pair of "newish" tennis shoes around for those occasional brushes with dignity.

greg is the tallest short guy i know. very stand up guy. I don't think I have ever seen you in anything but a tshirt and I bet you would give it someone if they truly needed it.

[GregWeld]

Okay -- So Chuck - the foreman at SAR just called me to discuss the issues. He's very calm - is a car guy - and get's it. While I've yelled at him in the past - not in a personal way but as a po'd customer... he - like I - seem to be able to separate issues from personal BS. Just setting this up here...

I can't describe the "noises" this car makes but they're not natural or normal sounding to me... so we have a very good discussion about what I can hear and why - and what I did etc in order for him to be absolutely certain that when they button it all back together - that they / we - haven't missed something.

KUDOS TO HIM! Now this is the way this is supposed to go!

I think what I heard/hear - is a throw out bearing squeal... I put the clutch IN and the noise goes away (while still going forward - any speed - doesn't matter).... This car is NOISY no matter what - it's a friggin' roadster - the wind is beating your ears - the exhaust ain't far from the back of your head -- the quick change gears are STRAIGHT CUT.... These TKO trannys are noisy (I think).... tough to pull out of all that - where this is squeal is coming from. I've tried to describe and diagnose the best I can (I'm "fairly" knowledgable...) BUT -- I've never had a TKO 600 -- and I've never owned a quick change rear end... MAYBE the noises are the gears.

Solution -- put HELICAL cut gears in -- Simple -- no biggie on the cost - I said if they need to be fed ex do it! I have no problem with that.

Ditto - if you have the hydraulic bearing in your hand - put in a new one - double and triple check that the install settings are what they are supposed to be -- DUDE! That's the best job a guy can do - that's all I ask.

The other couple of little things are items I've asked them to do.

My point is -- this is how it should go... forget the money thing... that's just my way of adding "leverage" -- and their only way of gaining any traction is to hold the car hostage. While this works with the average customer - it don't work with me - I've already posted that I took a giant step forward and did my part -- AND they've risen to that and are obviously working hard to find a solution to my complaints.

The gear grease puking is also being worked on -- they are going to add a vented can (my best description since I'm not down there) to get this under control. They've been in discussion with Kugel on it and seem to have a resolution.

I said to Chuck -- I'm a big boy -- if it's the rear end -- and it bothers me - I'll pull it out of there and put in something different -- NO BIGGIE... I have absolutely ZERO issue doing that if that's what it takes. I hope I don't have to do that because I L O V E the looks of this whirly jig... and it's the old skool look I am after.

The stupid StarDrive is an easy fix... and the only thing I asked for is a keyed ignition that FEELS quality. The temporary one that was in there was a notchy POS... So he's looking around to try to get something better. I trust him to make this judgement. So let's me just share the StarDrive issue. Because it's patently unfair of me to berate it... it's up under the dash - so I can't SEE what mode it's in. In order to start the car - its SAYS that you just have to have the key fob with you == depress the brake == and start the car. Good luck with that.... if you don't depress the brake enough - it goes into some other mode -- then you don't know where it's at.... you start over - it does nothing... You then LOCK the car using the key fob - and start over - this might work and it might not. SOOOOOOOOOOO I don't know if it's the OPERATOR or the "system" with the EFI and it's computer - and the StarDrive - and or the switch in the brake blah blah blah.... All I know is -- the "koolness" ain't worth the hassle factor for me. I want to push a button or hit the key or whatever and I want the SOB to roar to life. Period. There are NO accessories in the car - no need for accessory mode... no radio - no A/C - no windows - no top - no nuttin' honey. START - OFF. Done. :rofl: Regardless - it's O U T. I hope Jocko has a higher opinion of it.

NOW FOR THE BUSTED REAR END.....


Some shafts (like axles but smaller) -- both sides are twisted and broken -- these are out at the hubs...I have the EXTREME HORSEPOWER "HUBS" or whatever they call them. KUGEL says they've NEVER had these break. WTF -- they're CORVETTE C4 stuff - ditto the half shafts... this car is LIGHT -- and ain't no HP monster... They nor I = nor Chuck - has any idea why this has happened. Again - no biggie - just fix 'er up -- and if it happens again -- I rip the REAR out and put something else in. I did not, nor will I, ask anyone to pay for these repairs... nobody knows what's wrong or why and say it should never happen -- good enough for me.... We'll see if the repairs work - and I have a solution if it doesn't. :unibrow:

SO FAR, SO GOOD... Resolutions and solutions... that's all a guy can ask for.

[96z28ss]

There could of been some type of binding that allowed to twist on itself and the pop you heard was it snaping and causing it to release the tension.
Wouldn't that be a warranty issue with Krugel?

What are your and Steve's opinion of what happen to cause that?

[Vegas69]

Fourth gear is by far the noisy gear in a tko600. Especially if you are lugging it a little. 5th is not straight cut from my fuzzy recolection. I've never noticed much noise in any other gear.

I think it's safe to say that a problem needs to be found with your kugel rear end. Unless they are that weak, it has to be a set up or a manufacturing problem. Of course, it is chromed. :D What is the hp rating?

[GregWeld]

There could of been some type of binding that allowed to twist on itself and the pop you heard was it snaping and causing it to release the tension.
Wouldn't that be a warranty issue with Krugel?

What are your and Steve's opinion of what happen to cause that?

His opinion no longer counts. :D

[96z28ss]

His opinion no longer counts. :D

When I say Steve's I mean the shop as a whole. They must have an opinion other than you were laying massive burnouts.

[tones2SS]

Oh this is going to be "one of those cars"....

I've written that I stopped payment on the final check - and I TOLD the shop that immediately - and also said that when the issues were resolved I would release funds just as immediately. I have lots of problems - but one of them isn't paying. :woot:

Amen brother! I agree with you here. (I say this as I don't have the knowledge of building my own pro-tour car, and have to have someone build mine for me, although yours was a hot rod Greg.)
I'm not taking sides here, but if I pay for services, I would want those services to be made/done and finalized before I drive the car home or have it delivered home. Again, I am not taking sides, just saying that breakdowns should not be happening one right after another. I know no one build will be perfect, but I expect it to be as close to perfect as possible if I am dishing out the cash.
Good luck Greg.

[GregWeld]

Fourth gear is by far the noisy gear in a tko600. Especially if you are lugging it a little. 5th is not straight cut from my fuzzy recolection. I've never noticed much noise in any other gear.

I think it's safe to say that a problem needs to be found with your kugel rear end. Unless they are that weak, it has to be a set up or a manufacturing problem. Of course, it is chromed. :D What is the hp rating?

HP rating is 500+ but like most "ratings" -- WTF does it mean -- what tire size? What weight car? What TORQUE... so the number is just BS and meaningless.

The half shafts and stub axles (what broke on both sides) are C4 Corvette pieces... I weight half what a Corvette weighs... My dyno sheet was 454 TQ at a low rpm (can't think what the number was) and 404 HP all done at 5300 rpm... This is just a simple 383 hot rod motor... nothing at all like my Nomad build. That motor might have spit the chassis in half! EEEEEHHHHHAAAAA

The TKO600 is a FIVE speed.... and the straight cut gears I was referring to are the quick change gears in the rear end (Winters Champs quick change).

The REAR END is fine -- it's the "stub axles" that are busted -- they're the little axles that connect the half shafts to the "hub". I have the "extreme duty" control arms -- but the "hub with stub assembly" is apparently just stock C4 Corvette parts.... No way you should be able to bust that with the light weight roadster - and my tires ain't that big! But apparently it's a weak link - or at least "was" the first go 'round! :rofl:

[GregWeld]

When I say Steve's I mean the shop as a whole. They must have an opinion other than you were laying massive burnouts.

Chuck has been talking to WINTERS and KUGEL.... nobody can figure it out. ALL say the same thing -- should have never happened. These are RACING rear ends -- and as per the above post - the parts that let go - are C4 Corvette stub axles... may be faulty - not heat treated - or just not up to snuff. Nobody can explain it.

[Bow Tie 67]

Matt --

I've posted more than once that it "ain't my first goat rodeo".... Stuff like this actually gives me something to do during the day. :rofl: True enough!

If you ever meet me - you'll be shocked. I'm a total blue jeans and car t shirt guy. Getting dressed up means putting on a clean pair of jeans and a clean non torn or burnt t shirt. I even keep a pair of "newish" tennis shoes around for those occasional brushes with dignity.

Greg,

We did meet at RTTC II, I flew in from Chi-Town and volunteered at the auto-cross. I bummed a ride from you back to the hangar for lunch.

And yes I was shocked, you were much taller than I expected. :lol:

Matt

[GregWeld]

AH HA! Right Matt --- I remember!
:cheers:

[awr68]

I'm a total blue jeans and car t-shirt guy.

With a great watch.........;)

[GregWeld]

With a great watch.........;)

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! :_paranoid

[GregWeld]

Everything is being, or has been, attended to. We are just waiting on LARGER half shafts from Kugel and it should be wrapped up - once again. The stub axles were shipped and installed as well as the carriers -- but I wanted to upgrade the half shafts as long as things were torn apart. Proactive is a better game to play than F.O.R.D. :lol:

Everyone has been working hard to get 'er done and I send kudos to S.A.R. and Kugel for there diligence!

The throw out bearing is a Tilton -- and they've taken everything apart -- re-checked and reinstalled a new bearing although it appears there is nothing wrong with the 'old' one. For all I know - the noises I've heard could be from something else... it's so hard to hear in the car to begin with. I like it that way - but it's hard to pinpoint things like this.

In the meantime I'm happy to be driving my wifes new R8 Spyder.... no weird noises from this bad boy I can assure you of that! So far - so good. Was pretty smart of me to give her the birthday present the night before she was leaving for a long weekend don't ya think?? :rofl: :wow: :rofl:

[Vegas69]

So you were blaming them for a throw out bearing problem that didn't exist while your 20k rear end was eating itself. :D

[tones2SS]

In the meantime I'm happy to be driving my wifes new R8 Spyder.... no weird noises from this bad boy I can assure you of that! So far - so good. Was pretty smart of me to give her the birthday present the night before she was leaving for a long weekend don't ya think?? :rofl: :wow: :rofl:

:lol:
Good call there. Coincidence? I think not!
Good luck with the '32 Greg.

[waynieZ]

Glad to hear the're almost done.

Was pretty smart of me to give her the birthday present the night before she was leaving for a long weekend don't ya think??
I always said you were a smart man!

[GregWeld]

So you were blaming them for a throw out bearing problem that didn't exist while your 20k rear end was eating itself. :D

No -- I still think the bearing set up was improper despite them stating to the contrary.... but it's a he said she said....

Squealing -- squealing goes away when you depress the clutch... noise got worse with milage -- so quiet when first fired up and then after a few miles (4 or 5?) it got louder.

It could have been bad bearings in the carriers... which overheated the stub axles -- but since I'm not working on it - I have no clue. In the meantime they're going over everything it "could be". And in keeping with their past "defense" --- it's all "bad" or "defective" or "crappy" parts nothing they did...
:rofl:

At this point I don't really care -- I just want the little POS done and home.

[pokey64]

Good to hear they're getting the car ironed out for you Greg. :thumbsup:


I bet your wife's R8 is a hoot to drive!

[GregWeld]

Good to hear they're getting the car ironed out for you Greg. :thumbsup:


I bet your wife's R8 is a hoot to drive!

I'm hoping she hates it -- 'cause I love it!

EEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA


Too bad she isn't that dumb! :cheers: :woot:

[clill]

If you had just gone to Brizios in the first place I probably wouldn't have had to spend a half hour getting caught up on this thread. What type of clutch do you have ? Could it be what 's making the noise ?

[GregWeld]

If you had just gone to Brizios in the first place I probably wouldn't have had to spend a half hour getting caught up on this thread


Charley -- Trust me... NOBODY is sorrier about that than me! :willy:


I don't know what brand/type clutch but I think it's a RAM? I will find out.

[syborg tt]

If you had just gone to Brizios in the first place I probably wouldn't have had to spend a half hour getting caught up on this thread. What type of clutch do you have ? Could it be what 's making the noise ?

Wow it only took you 30 minutes to get caught up. I really need to take a speed reading class.

[GregWeld]

Wow it only took you 30 minutes to get caught up. I really need to take a speed reading class.

This is my personal BLOG not a forum posting... :rofl: :unibrow:

[awr68]

Wow it only took you 30 minutes to get caught up. I really need to take a speed reading class.

He only looks at the pretty pictures! :P

[GregWeld]

If you had just gone to Brizios in the first place I probably wouldn't have had to spend a half hour getting caught up on this thread. What type of clutch do you have ? Could it be what 's making the noise ?

Charley -- It's a LUK clutch.... So wish me luck with that! :D

Never heard of 'em -- but that's what's in there... and a Tilton TO bearing... and a Quick Time bellhousing... TKO 600 5 speed.

[Blake Foster]

LUK makes pretty good quality stuff not really Hiperf

[GregWeld]

They (SAR) were driving it today --- new larger "splined yokes" (half shafts)... since I'd managed to twist the stock ones til the chrome came off in a couple places... I actually learned something there! Chrome leaves great witness marks on twisting when it's been applied to a steel shaft! :rofl: :woot:

I'm hoping to hit Portland tomorrow to pick the car up -- and then hit Penticton B.C. for the "Peach City Beach Cruise" this weekend.

[Vegas69]

Pay them to put 300 miles on it..

[GregWeld]

Pay them to put 300 miles on it..


Sadly.... I think I've paid them quite enough to go to school on my dime....

[Vegas69]

OK, don't pay them to put 300 miles on it. :D

[HRBS]

I'm hoping to hit Portland tomorrow to pick the car up -- and then hit Penticton B.C. for the "Peach City Beach Cruise" this weekend.

Dont forget to hit the bank before you pick it up. :rofl:

(sorry, I couldnt resist)

[GregWeld]

Dont forget to hit the bank before you pick it up. :rofl:

(sorry, I couldnt resist)

Good one! But you're right! He wants a wire transfer or cash NO CHECK from me (because I put a stop payment on the last 20K - which I later WT'd 15K of after we worked out a plan).

I spent the week with lawyers, accountants, and commercial real estate pros, compiling a bid on a 70+MM commercial building in downtown Seattle... the down payment is 40%.... the building has a negative a cash flow projection for 3 years...and requires 6MM in TI's....

Steve is right -- I'm probably not good for the 5 or 6K balance due. :unibrow:

This little "project" is a mere "distraction" in the general scheme of things. Which is why I went ballistic when he threatened me with holding the car up without payment.

[syborg tt]

I spent the week with lawyers, accountants, and commercial real estate pros, compiling a bid on a 70+MM commercial building in downtown Seattle... the down payment is 40%.... the building has a negative a cash flow projection for 3 years...and requires 6MM in TI's....

Okay call my wife (Architect) I need her to have a new project out your way. There are plenty of mtb trails i would love to hit.

[GregWeld]

Okay call my wife (Architect) I need her to have a new project out your way. There are plenty of mtb trails i would love to hit.

Building in finished - except for 3 floors that would only need TI's.... It's new construction so unfortunately your wife missed out on this one!:D

Starbucks built it for their planned expansion --- which they failed (epic) to do... so no longer need the building.

[syborg tt]

Building in finished - except for 3 floors that would only need TI's.... It's new construction so unfortunately your wife missed out on this one!:D

Starbucks built it for their planned expansion --- which they failed (epic) to do... so no longer need the building.



Good News she does Interiors.

Starbucks - Funny Our good friend Luigi was there space planner. So he would have worked on your building.

[tones2SS]

I'm hoping to hit Portland tomorrow to pick the car up -- and then hit Penticton B.C. for the "Peach City Beach Cruise" this weekend.

Good luck Greg. Hopefully everything is in great working condition and you can finally enjoy your hot rod! Have fun at the "cruise".:thumbsup:

[qbrown]

Starbucks - Funny Our good friend Luigi was there space planner. So he would have worked on your building.

Lol. I'm an art director that does all the advertising work for Starbucks Foodservice. Small world.

[GregWeld]

Went to Ptown today --- the Roadster was ready and spotlessly clean -- so cruised around for an hour and a half... the car is 110% now!

Everything works better... could just be my brain -- but I think every thing is better. Less weird noises.... there's some tranny and rear end (straight cut gears) whine when decelerating... the 8 stack has a "air intake" whistle and real low cruise speeds which I can now hear... and it's NORMAL... there's so little blade open and real low speeds and with the open hood sides you can hear it. It's kinda kool when you get used to it.

They took out the STARDRIVE and put in an ignition switch from an older Porsche and the switch has a real quality feel to it. She fires off instantly and settles into a nice rumble purring.

The trans shifts 100% better.... it used to not mesh going into reverse - now it just slips in with no drama. Before the re-install of the TO bearing - it was a bit embarrassing because it ground every time. Made me feel like some teenage newb!

I have to give the crew at SAR kudos... they got 'er right this time.

Half shafts are MUCH larger! I'll have to send Jeff Kugel some booze or something for his valiant effort on my behalf. They look better and hopefully I won't be able to twist them so easily!

All in all -- PERFECT!

:woot:

[camcojb]

Went to Ptown today --- the Roadster was ready and spotlessly clean -- so cruised around for an hour and a half... the car is 110% now!

Everything works better... could just be my brain -- but I think every thing is better. Less weird noises.... there's some tranny and rear end (straight cut gears) whine when decelerating... the 8 stack has a "air intake" whistle and real low cruise speeds which I can now hear... and it's NORMAL... there's so little blade open and real low speeds and with the open hood sides you can hear it. It's kinda kool when you get used to it.

They took out the STARDRIVE and put in an ignition switch from an older Porsche and the switch has a real quality feel to it. She fires off instantly and settles into a nice rumble purring.

The trans shifts 100% better.... it used to not mesh going into reverse - now it just slips in with no drama. Before the re-install of the TO bearing - it was a bit embarrassing because it ground every time. Made me feel like some teenage newb!

I have to give the crew at SAR kudos... they got 'er right this time.

Half shafts are MUCH larger! I'll have to send Jeff Kugel some booze or something for his valiant effort on my behalf. They look better and hopefully I won't be able to twist them so easily!

All in all -- PERFECT!

:woot:
:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Must have been a blast.

I'm happy for you Greg. :thumbsup:

[awr68]

Very happy to hear this! :yes: :thumbsup:
But, an hour and a half drive and you didn't stop by? I'll let it slide this time! ;)

[Jims78elky]

Glad all is working and rolling well Greg.

Now get out there and ENJOY the ride buddy!


:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Must have been a blast.

I'm happy for you Greg. :thumbsup:


Thanks Skip! It's MUCH better now....

[GregWeld]

Glad all is working and rolling well Greg.

Now get out there and ENJOY the ride buddy!


:thumbsup:

Thanks Jim! She's rolling to Penticton B.C. Thursday for the Peach City Beach Cruise... it's supposed to be "roadster" weather!

We'll see if I can "repeat" with this roadster as a T shirt car like my Nomad did a couple years ago. :woot:

It's a beautiful area - and they've converted many of the orchards into wineries now. I think there are 85 of them in the area. That makes it fun to cruise from spot to spot - have lunch etc. And I don't even drink!

[GregWeld]

Very happy to hear this! :yes: :thumbsup:
But, an hour and a half drive and you didn't stop by? I'll let it slide this time! ;)



It was purely a round tripper - since I "surprised" them by having to pick up the car a day earlier than planned... I'd forgotten I had a house full of people coming today! So I had to go down and back yesterday. They were very accommodating and I really appreciated that!

BTW -- Not a chance I'm taking the thing on a test drive clear across town @ 3 in the afternoon to where you live! I went out Foster Rd to the boonies -- where If I broke down - I wouldn't cause any traffic problems! :willy: :rofl:

[Ricochet]

Although a painful road to get here I'm glad to hear everything is good and your able to enjoy it! Car is absolutely beautiful! CONGRATS!

[tones2SS]

Great to hear Greg. Enjoy!

[Vegas69]

I still think something is put together with duct tape and twine. I'll wait to congratulate you for a couple weeks. :rofl:

Glad to hear she's running good. :thumbsup:

[Lenie]

Greg, thanks again for the tour on such short notice. My son and I really enjoyed seeing the shop and meeting your family. On our way back to Kirkland we couldn't get over how nasty your 32 sounded, what a ride. :thumbsup:

[OLDFLM]

Great ending to "the rest of the story" Greg! :thumbsup:

Now we just need some video!

[DOOM]

Glad its all fixed!!!:_paranoid Now you need to start a PT build

[GregWeld]

Glad its all fixed!!!:_paranoid Now you need to start a PT build


Stay tuned.... A certain giant and I have been cooking up some good thoughts....

[GregWeld]

Greg, thanks again for the tour on such short notice. My son and I really enjoyed seeing the shop and meeting your family. On our way back to Kirkland we couldn't get over how nasty your 32 sounded, what a ride. :thumbsup:


Hey! So glad I caught your sorry azz trying to bust into my trailer! Next time bring a gun and a bigger crow bar!

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Stay tuned.... A certain giant and I have been cooking up some good thoughts....

The Jolly green........

[CarterHickmanDesigns]

I call him sasquatch!

[HWY Nova]

Stay tuned.... A certain giant and I have been cooking up some good thoughts....

Well, Greg. It's about time you started a new thread!


--Eric

[ironworks]

I bet he keeps this one going just to try and get his thread as long as Todd's. You know thread views are important these days.

Or just pays Scott for his own forum thread section called Greg's blog.

[ironworks]

I call him sasquatch!

EASY Willow. EASY

[Vegas69]

I bet he keeps this one going just to try and get his thread as long as Todd's. You know thread views are important these days.

Or just pays Scott for his own forum thread section called Greg's blog.

:thumbsup: :D

[GregWeld]

I already do pay Scott.... notice the "supporting" member under my name...
:woot:

[96z28ss]

he should make you a mod, no one is here more than you.

[GregWeld]

Well.... I'll have to take back my comment about the car being 110%.... and drop that percentage a bit.

Seems I still have a brake light issue.... as in "intermittent" operation.

Some parts of the story I had left out of the S.A.R story is that they ran my brand new Smeding 383 without oil pressure for 15 or 20 MINUTES.... and while the bearings looked okay upon inspection... the motor now (has 700 miles on it) smokes when you get on it - or after compression (coming down a grade) and get back into the throttle... BLUE SMOKE not black. So I'm thinking - given their "history" of mechanical work - that they failed to seal the intake manifold correctly... or that the valve seals were wiped out... or who knows.

[Vegas69]

The engine and especially bearings would be toast with 15-20 minutes of run time with no oil pressure. With little to no oil pressure, there is no oil to sling on the cylinders or camshaft.

[syborg tt]

EASY Willow. EASY

Harsh brother Harsh

[HRBS]

Holy S....
Break out the tools.
Your main bearings and rings are gone.

[toddshotrods]

Please tell us you're NOT going to take it back to SAR! :(

[T-Bolt]

Some parts of the story I had left out of the S.A.R story is that they ran my brand new Smeding 383 without oil pressure for 15 or 20 MINUTES.....

When did you find that out?

[waynieZ]

I can't believe they didn't watch for oil pressure! It just keeps getting worst.

[GregWeld]

Please tell us you're NOT going to take it back to SAR! :(

No it's never ever ever ever never ever going back there....


So here's another funny "story" in the saga. I'm up in Canada EH?! (Blake and Anita showed up last night with the Nova - so we'll have fun) and my sister says "you don't have brake lights again"...... WTF OMG are you kidding me! I've been complaining about this since first picking up the car.

Well - my brain kicks in - and I like SIMPLE.... so I'm thinking.... hmmmmmm.... repop tail lights --- my guess is with an intermittent problem like this it's the socket in the tail light... SURE ENOUGH.... the bulb is loose as a goose. A pair of long nose pliers - tighten the GROUNDING SOCKET and bingo issue solved. This is after they've rewired the circuit - gone over the circuit - and disassembled the housings and painted them white (for better reflection) AND put in brighter bulbs... SOOOOOOO someone had to have felt
exactly what took me half a nanosecond to feel. The bulb is flopping around in the socket. DOH.

[GregWeld]

I can't believe they didn't watch for oil pressure! It just keeps getting worst.


No Wayne -- this is a PROFESSIONAL shop -- they don't need oil pressure gauges hooked up.

After awhile I heard the valve train clattering so loudly I could hear it across the street (LOL) and asked them to kill it! Pulled off a valve cover and it was BONE DRY....

THEY put in an MSD slip collar distributor.... but THEY failed to adjust said slip collar until it actually engaged the oil pump. EPIC FAIL. :lol: They also failed to prime the oil system before firing off.... why? Because they don't own a priming tool at the shop! REALLY!?! I thought it was a hot rod shop.

[clill]

WoW ! That takes the cake. Now I really am feeling for you.

[mdprovee]

Sorry to hear about all your pains. I feel for ya.

[Flash68]

Greg, this story keeps getting worse.... so the question now is: what REAL shop you going to take it to get it sorted out?

[ccracin]

Greg, this story keeps getting worse.... so the question now is: what REAL shop you going to take it to get it sorted out?

I believe it is called "THE SHED"! :unibrow:

[70rs]

Wow.......just wow. I am at a loss for words.:willy:

[rjsjea]

That's just careless firing the motor with no oil pressure gauge hooked up......maybe more like incompetent

[70rs]

That's just careless firing the motor with no oil pressure gauge hooked up......maybe more like incompetent

I agree! What I am wondering is how this shop got the "great" reputation they have (had)?
Are they using unskilled workers in areas they really need seasoned vets? Is the management different now ?
How does ANY shop have so many issues and stay in business?

[GregWeld]

I believe it is called "THE SHED"! :unibrow:

You got it buddy --- straight to "the shed"!

Everything has been fine this weekend... after I got the lights working. But the engine will need a complete do over. No biggie -- it just might have to get a wee bit more 'umpf'.... EEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

[tones2SS]

Man, sorry to hear about the oil pressure and other problems Greg. It's a good thing you have knowledge about cars and have that "shed". Good luck!!

[GregWeld]

Man, sorry to hear about the oil pressure and other problems Greg. It's a good thing you have knowledge about cars and have that "shed". Good luck!!

Thanks! Not to worry -- the motor is actually "fine"... it was a cheap crate motor... and we did pull rod and main bearings and they were PERFECT and coated with oil even after all that. I'm pretty certain it's more like they failed (another epic fail) to seal the intake manifold properly. It only huffs blue smoke after a prolonged deceleration... which is telling me that the intake is then pulling oil in from the valley.

Maybe the "pros" will chime in here -- but that's my "official" diagnosis. It won't take me long to pop that off and do a proper job of it.

Actually - it's the brake lights that really get me to chuckling about the entire ordeal. It's like REALLY?! Such a simple inexpensive 1 minute fix.

I will repeat what I've said earlier though... the craftsmanship is superb. Really.

[waynieZ]

I wish I had your outlook Greg. My motor has sat for 4 years. Every once in a while I run the oil pressure up with the primer tool while I turn it over by hand but I'm still worried about Murphy's law. Every time I think of it starting the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
Glad it running OK for you.

[GregWeld]

I wish I had your outlook Greg. My motor has sat for 4 years. Every once in a while I run the oil pressure up with the primer tool while I turn it over by hand but I'm still worried about Murphy's law. Every time I think of it starting the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
Glad it running OK for you.

It's just a whole lot easier when you take the $$ part out of the equation... it can all be fixed. Might be a 'hassle', but it can be fixed. I only get upset because I expect to get top notch when I'm billed for top notch. In this case I got billed for inexperience and amateur hour mistakes then I was billed again for fixing it and then again for fixing it again. :D

[DOOM]

Greg it has to be valve seals or intake.. Dumb question, do you have any type of PCV system?

[fleetus macmullitz]

You got it buddy --- straight to "the shed"!

Everything has been fine this weekend... after I got the lights working. But the engine will need a complete do over. No biggie -- it just might have to get a wee bit more 'umpf'.... EEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

Would a handy dandy 'shed 427 work? :unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Greg it has to be valve seals or intake.. Dumb question, do you have any type of PCV system?

Yes Mario -- it has a PCV... and it's baffled. I've seen this scenario before and it acts exactly like a intake sealing issue. When these butterflies close - they're really closed - they have very tight tolerances so there's just no air coming in via the air valves -- thus leading me to think then that the vacuum created is pulling oily air in from the valley. There is no smoke on acceleration or at any other time.

I agree - if it's not the intake seal - that valve seals would be the next thing I'll look at. I have really high oil pressure - cruising on the freeway at 1800 rpms it's 75#'s -- so there's plenty of oil "up top". And running until the valve train was so dry that it clattered like a diesel could certainly have wiped them out.

[GregWeld]

Would a handy dandy 'shed 427 work? :unibrow:

Not a 427 -- I don't like that combo.... been there done that. Just not enough piston for a street driven motor. But a nice 406 would give it a bit more 'arm'... not that it needs it. The 383 in there now makes 455 #'s of TQ at 4000 rpms and I'm guessing the car only weighs 2200/2300 #'s. 4:30 rear gears - TKO 5 speed.... it's pretty "responsive". I just like the way the 408 in the Nomad runs... with the "honda" rod journal size crank and lightweight reciprocating bottom end -- that motor is super snappy/happy...

Funny -- you never get to really hear - or feel - or experience YOUR car except in the drivers seat. Since I have Rudy's (my BIL) Camaro torn apart... I loaned them my Nomad (don't want him to have show withdrawal). And I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Not a 427 -- I don't like that combo.... been there done that. Just not enough piston for a street driven motor. But a nice 406 would give it a bit more 'arm'... not that it needs it. The 383 in there now makes 455 #'s of TQ at 4000 rpms and I'm guessing the car only weighs 2200/2300 #'s. 4:30 rear gears - TKO 5 speed.... it's pretty "responsive". I just like the way the 408 in the Nomad runs... with the "honda" rod journal size crank and lightweight reciprocating bottom end -- that motor is super snappy/happy...

Funny -- you never get to really hear - or feel - or experience YOUR car except in the drivers seat. Since I have Rudy's (my BIL) Camaro torn apart... I loaned them my Nomad (don't want him to have show withdrawal). And I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

I remembered you took it out of the '56 but I thought it might work better for you in the much lighter car and give you that 'Gitts' (cheap John Huston/Jack Nicholson/Chinatown ref) feeling. ;)

[waynieZ]

I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

Greg it sounds like this discription should be in Penthouse letters for car guys!
I was getting kinds of excited. :unibrow:

[tones2SS]

Since I have Rudy's (my BIL) Camaro torn apart... I loaned them my Nomad (don't want him to have show withdrawal). And I'm now in the crowd etc or around when he fires it off and cruises away. That motor is bad azz... it rattles windows... sounds like a big block... yet is smooth (not lumpy cammed). You can be a block away and when it fires off - I know it's my car. The ground rumbles.

That would put a smile on my face from ear to ear.:D
Glad to hear that the engine is "ok" and still workable. Keep us posted.

[GregWeld]

Guys,

It gets better and better.... Today I found the 2/4 spark plug wires crossed... toned them out and plugged them on the correct plugs. Decided as long as I was at it - I'd change plugs 'just to see how things are going'.... I can tell you the little small block has a much better torque curve now! Those two plugs being crossed up made quite the difference! I've been just fooling with things - I'm a tune up freak - and something in the exhaust just didn't sound quite right... guess I found out why!

EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA

[waynieZ]

Almost nothing you find wrong now will surprise me. Keep digging !

[Jims78elky]

Greg,

Wow..more problems...again? Just amazing what should be a simple fun project is turning into a find the big gun and go shoot something lol..Seriously, Iam sorry for all the crap this has been for you, its really a nightmare.

So what's next? If you find a half eaten Bologna sammich under the oil pan...don't worry its not mine! lol..:lol:

Hang in there buddy...hopefully you'll get some satisfying rolling time soon with it.

[GregWeld]

as a matter of fact Jimbo...... :D


This is what's plagued this build from the get go (since being "finished") it's been just one STUPID mistake after another on the MECHANICALS. Thank god
the fit and finish is as perfect as a guy could ask for.

I'll pull the intake tomorrow if I get to it.. I still have the core support to paint for my BIL's Camaro project. Picked up his motor from the builder today - and of course that always takes more time that you factor... too many kool other builds going on so have to chat about each one... plus they're friends so there's that jib jab too.

[Vegas69]

Two plug wires switched, I'd smell that from the house. :unibrow: :D

[GregWeld]

Two plug wires switched, I'd smell that from the house. :unibrow: :D

Yep -- I hear ya!

Chasing so many other little stupid things... and it's mostly just been on and off the trailer. But when I actually drove it - something just wasn't kosher... I just had to figure out what it was.

[toddshotrods]

Wow! :( So glad you're finishing the job yourself. This story deserves a happy ending. :yes:

[GregWeld]

These are the kinds of "DETAILS" that kill me on a high dollar professionally built hot rod....


Could we just match the screw heads? Amazingly sloppy work... just amazing.



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1114.jpg

[ScotI]

These are the kinds of "DETAILS" that kill me on a high dollar professionally built hot rod....


Could we just match the screw heads? Amazingly sloppy work... just amazing.



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1114.jpg
Agreed 1000%. I would be ashamed of doing that on my driveway-budget build.

[HRBS]

I just had an OCD attack :faint:

[Ketzer]

A flat head wood screw? WTF? Why would they even HAVE one of those to mis-use?

Jeff-

[mexMan]

These are the kinds of "DETAILS" that kill me on a high dollar professionally built hot rod....


Could we just match the screw heads? Amazingly sloppy work... just amazing.



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1114.jpg

COME ON! I mean, we're talking about a ''prefoessional'' restoring team, they are more than prepared and all that stuff, I don't know, I'm not trusting the quality of the work done there.

[GregWeld]

I just had an OCD attack :faint:



Steve -- I've had SEVERAL OCD attacks.... they seem to come in waves...
:unibrow:

[GregWeld]

A flat head wood screw? WTF? Why would they even HAVE one of those to mis-use?

Jeff-



Hopefully they used a flat head MACHINE screw -- but still.... it's like come on guys.... raise you're game!

[RECOVERY ROOM]

:( :( :( :(

[GregWeld]

I'm in Portland...what are you asking for the StarDrive Greg?



Okay Jocko --- got 'er boxed up -- UPSing it first thing in the AM...

[jocko124]

Okay Jocko --- got 'er boxed up -- UPSing it first thing in the AM...

Thank you Sir.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Hopefully they used a flat head MACHINE screw -- but still.... it's like come on guys.... raise you're game!

Shouldn't the real blame be pointed at the shop teachers in the Portland Public School system?!


:lol:

[DOOM]

You no what Greg thats just rediculous!!!! Really!!!!!!! What a FU$KIN JOKE!!!!!! You truely are a better man than I am thats for sure....... WOW!!!!!

[GregWeld]

Shouldn't the real blame be pointed at the shop teachers in the Portland Public School system?!


:lol:

I don't know.... I graduated from the Portland public school system (well actually I dropped out my junior year of HS - but I did get a GED and stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once) and I wasn't ever shown that this kind of inattention to detail was acceptable.



MARIO ---

Now you (and everyone else) can perhaps understand my frustration... I am now at the state of just shaking my head and chuckling to myself... it's like WTF.... just grab a tool and fix it... no point in stressing out. The issues with the car have all been MINOR.... but MINOR adds up after awhile. So far its been just one thing after another.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I wasn't ever shown that this kind of inattention to detail was acceptable.


Greg,

Agreed. Incredibly short-sighted by SAR.

Bizarre.

[rwhite692]

Hopefully they used a flat head MACHINE screw -- but still.... it's like come on guys.... raise you're game!


They could have at least gotten you a 6/32 FH screw w/black painted head from the electrical aisle at home depot...

[GregWeld]

They could have at least gotten you a 6/32 FH screw w/black painted head from the electrical aisle at home depot...

Nah...... now you're talking about actually using a brain. That is asking for far too much!


EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA


I can just mosey over to the big blue drawers full of SS button heads... grab a couple - hit 'em on the Baldor... and do the job I paid them to do. :unibrow:

[Vegas69]

Do me a favor, quit bitching and go out and break in the rings on that cream puff, would ya?:cheers: ;)

[coolwelder62]

Greg,Just thought I would check in on your progress it has been awhile.OMG I am so sorry for your Trouble's.When everything go's great HotRodding can be such a high.But when thing's go wrong,it can make you you feel like you got the flu.I think good thought's for you and hope everything will work out.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Scott M.

[toddshotrods]

Hoping it's in a trailer heading to Ohio right now... :unibrow: :D

[GregWeld]

Greg,Just thought I would check in on your progress it has been awhile.OMG I am so sorry for your Trouble's.When everything go's great HotRodding can be such a high.But when thing's go wrong,it can make you you feel like you got the flu.I think good thought's for you and hope everything will work out.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Scott M.

Thanks Scott... I'm sorting out some stupid little things -- nothing major now. Kugel replaced the stub axles and made me some larger dia half shafts... but I've yet to "test them". I will... :unibrow:

I've found just dumb mistakes - mismatched bolts/screws... but other than that it's been very uneventful. I didn't drive it at all this weekend... since my Brother in Law is here this weekend and we're thrashing on his '69 Camaro... it's a big job - new sub - new motor - complete wiring - gutted interior etc. So I'm concentrating on getting them back on the road (so I can get my Nomad back... :D )

These were taken this weekend.... I slicked and painted his firewall - and the inner fenders.... and we're now at reassembly... Blown 383 made 625HP on the dyno and 581 ftlbs of TQ..


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Rudys%20Camaro/IMG_1135.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Rudys%20Camaro/IMG_1144.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Rudys%20Camaro/IMG_1145.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Greg,The camaro is lookin great.I really like the look of the TCI-tube chassis.:thumbsup:

[camcojb]

great work Greg.

[GregWeld]

Greg,The camaro is lookin great.I really like the look of the TCI-tube chassis.:thumbsup:


I wouldn't have it - but it's not mine and he's not actually interested in turning a corner.... :rofl:

It was fun to come up with a "re-join" of the square sub frame connectors to the round back end of the TCI. I just ended up making a box one piece at a time and cut a 2" radius in the flat stock - then split it in half - so I got a good proper weld joint on the top and bottom pieces... it worked out okay.

[coolwelder62]

I wouldn't have it - but it's not mine and he's not actually interested in turning a corner.... :rofl:

It was fun to come up with a "re-join" of the square sub frame connectors to the round back end of the TCI. I just ended up making a box one piece at a time and cut a 2" radius in the flat stock - then split it in half - so I got a good proper weld joint on the top and bottom pieces... it worked out okay.I just like the look of round tube.But the mustang II stuff someone else can have.:lol:

[GregWeld]

Greg,The camaro is lookin great.I really like the look of the TCI-tube chassis.:thumbsup:

That was his ONLY reason for choosing the TCI -- it's a "pro street" tube chassis look. It's very appropriate for the car. It will be far far superior to the worn out sagging OEM version that was in there!

[Blake Foster]

So it actually DOES look like you know haow to use SOME of those tools after all.............:rofl: :rofl:

nice work:cheers:

[GregWeld]

So it actually DOES look like you know haow to use SOME of those tools after all.............:rofl: :rofl:

nice work:cheers:



No -- You have gotten the wrong impression.... please re-read my post and you'll see that the only reason it's being put back together is because RUDY is here for the weekend - and it is HE that knows a socket from a hammer. Not I. I'm merely his helper.

[camcojb]

No -- You have gotten the wrong impression.... please re-read my post and you'll see that the only reason it's being put back together is because RUDY is here for the weekend - and it is HE that knows a socket from a hammer. Not I. I'm merely his helper.
I don't buy it, I think you've got skills............ :yes:

[waynieZ]

Greg when your done with that Camaro I'll bring mine over so you can practice some more! I'm only trying to help. :cool:

[rwhite692]

Greg It's looking great, it was a pleasure to meet Rudy when we were all at Tims place...Man, that was a long time ago now!

[coolwelder62]

Greg,sometime time in the next few week's I will be in your area.I could stop by and point out the diff. between socket's,hammer's,& screw driver's.I can also show you how to plug in your welder.:lol: Just trying to be helpful. :lol:

[96z28ss]

The camaro is looking great. Can't wait to see it at beaches cruise in.
I'm sure Rudy can't wait either.

[GregWeld]

Well sadly (or happily) I have to report on the ongoing saga of the '32.... :rolleyes:

I found time to get off Lat G and head to the shed to check a few things. Actually - I got the Camaro on all fours and could finally use my lift for MY cars.:D

I had reported the oil smoke on deceleration and then when you got back on the gas.... and I'm happy to report that pulling the intake manifold confirmed my suspicions. It was by far the worst manifold install in the history of the galaxy (thanks Al Moreno for that one!). Some of the bolts were finger tight - and NONE had sealant or anything else on them.... and the gaskets were not sealed to the heads or intake except a little bit around the water passages. THEY FELL OFF... and the oil was not just weepage - it was a river of oil between the gaskets and ports.



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1163.jpg


NOTE THAT OIL WAS BEING SIPHONED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GASKET IN A NUMBER OF PORTS



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1166.jpg



Note another issue I discovered..... the shoulders on the ARP bolts have a nice "interference fit" (like a main cap) with the header - so it was actually IMPOSSIBLE to tighten them up.... I removed them and walked over to the Burr King - made the shoulder of the bolt smaller - and re-installed. Now they will actually torque down the header. I PHOTOGRAPHED this one as found when I started working on this project.


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1158.jpg

[camcojb]

Well sadly (or happily) I have to report on the ongoing saga of the '32.... :rolleyes:

I found time to get off Lat G and head to the shed to check a few things. Actually - I got the Camaro on all fours and could finally use my lift for MY cars.:D

I had reported the oil smoke on deceleration and then when you got back on the gas.... and I'm happy to report that pulling the intake manifold confirmed my suspicions. It was by far the worst manifold install in the history of the galaxy (thanks Al Moreno for that one!). Some of the bolts were finger tight - and NONE had sealant or anything else on them.... and the gaskets were not sealed to the heads or intake except a little bit around the water passages. THEY FELL OFF... and the oil was not just weepage - it was a river of oil between the gaskets and ports.



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1163.jpg


NOTE THAT OIL WAS BEING SIPHONED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GASKET IN A NUMBER OF PORTS



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1166.jpg



Note another issue I discovered..... the shoulders on the ARP bolts have a nice "interference fit" (like a main cap) with the header - so it was actually IMPOSSIBLE to tighten them up.... I removed them and walked over to the Burr King - made the shoulder of the bolt smaller - and re-installed. Now they will actually torque down the header. I PHOTOGRAPHED this one as found when I started working on this project.


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1158.jpg
wow! Yeah, mechanically that place is lost, over their head on really basic parts of a car build. Glad you're getting it sorted.

[brakenit]

Those types of mistakes would be disappointing coming from a high school vocational class, let alone a high end shop. Complacency and stupidity can be a dangerous combination. I hope you made sure all of the lug nuts are torqued down. :eek:

[Ketzer]

I hate to mention this... at what point do you decide to dis-assemble the whole car and re-assemble it? With all that you've shown in the past few weeks, I would be nervous about driving it at all.
You are a man of true patience, persistance, and definately, definately forgiveness.

Jeff-

[James OLC]

Glad you were able to figure that out Greg!

I've seen stuff like the header bolt deal happen before and I've never understood the mentality of the guy who had to have known about the issue but chose to (a) send it out anyways and (b) not mention it to anyone.

[70rs]

Glad you were able to figure that out Greg!

I've seen stuff like the header bolt deal happen before and I've never understood the mentality of the guy who had to have known about the issue but chose to (a) send it out anyways and (b) not mention it to anyone.

My guess is that in that guys mind "it all pays the same".
Why care either way when at the end of the week the paycheck is the same?

This is NOT how I think. And I have fired plenty of "those guys" over the years. I really don't get it either.

Gregs 32 is in much better hands now. I am sure it will be dialed in in no time.
Serious bummer you had to deal with all of that stuff, but at least you'll know it's done right now. :cheers:

[toddshotrods]

Agreed. Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing trend in this country with people not taking pride in their work. They want the money, plain and simple. I told a guy at my temporary, part-time, sales gig (who was cutting corners and laughing about it) that people like him are what's wrong with this country. He just shrugged it off and kept doing what he was doing. He really just didn't care. He was going to get paid either way, so why do anything beyond what he absolutely had to, and why not find a way to cheat on that? (That was his mentality, not mine). I used to tell the boss about crap like that I see on the job, but he really doesn't care either, because he never does anything about it. As long as his bonuses aren't affected, it's not his problem... Sad. :(

[syborg tt]

okay so next time where are you going to take you cars

So far the Rings, Roadster Shop, Steilow, DSE, Ride Tech/Precison Coach Works, RPM Hot Rods, Speed Tech & Kenny Davis actually build cars and then go out and beat the snot out of them. I know there are a few others sorry if i missed you.

ps I am going to keep adding names as i think of them.

[GregWeld]

It's funny because people are getting the wrong impression of this build... trust me when I tell you - the quality of the overall build is TOP TOP NOTCH.... it's just the little mechanical details where the shop really bites it. I know plenty of guys that can't seal a simple SBC intake... they blame their lack of skills on "SBC's always leak - they leaked from the factory".... etc. This was worse than that because there was not even a semblance of an attempt to do it right. :D

Either way -- it's no big deal to pull the intake off - clean her all up nice - and do a PROPER job. Trust me when I tell you -- SBC's do not always leak... from the top or the bottom! I have a couple of them and there's not one itty bitty tiny leak ANYWHERE. Now that the '32 is sealed up - it doesn't leak either!

I can tell you that the drivability - and the EZ EFI - is certainly a lot happier! It's tough for EFI to deal with uncontrolled intake air! And there is no more blue oil smoke out the exhaust either! I took it out for a nice long drive this afternoon and it's 500% better. I'll pull the driver side exhaust next week and do the same re-fit / bolt grinding exercise with it - just to be happy with the over all job.

With this fix - there are no more funky things left. Now it's a nice little hot rod!

I will say that the "vented tube" they made for the rear end is dang near a work of art... all hard lined - with brackets welded on to keep it still - and a nice little K&N filter on top the 1/2" tube..... it amazes me that they can build such wonderful little details - but can't change a f'n spark plug without messing it up. The work Tim Bruning did on the exhaust should be on display at the Smithsonian...

I also changed oil - I use only the cleanable reusable screen style billet oil filters (from Pure Power)... this allows me to peer into the motor a bit via the crud in the filter if any. I'm happy to report there was ZERO crud. There's only 1000 miles on the motor now - but regardless - I've been on pins and needles since the idiots ran it without oil pressure. SO FAR - SO GOOD. The valve train got a thorough inspection during the intake reseal job - and it's sterling as well. As long as all the plugs were out - I did a cylinder pressure test -- and a leak down test. Both were perfect.


Here's the cylinder pressure.....




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1174.jpg




And here's the leakdown - with 100 psi - only air to be heard was past the rings (that's the CORRECT place to hear the air!)....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1175.jpg

[BBC71Nova]

As stated by others... more patience than me I think. Glad you got it ironed out.

By chance is there an empty lot near you? Having your "shed" as a neighbor, and you of course :), would be ridiculous. Just from the backgrounds of some of your pictures I can only imagine...

[DRJDVM's '69]

I think sometimes these shops end up using the "new guy" or the guy that lacks the true talent, skill and pride of the true "stars" of the shop (like Tim Bruning), to do these "menial jobs" like install the intake or hook up the headers.... the men in charge figure "hell, the guy cant possibly screw up that job and I can pay him $12/hr while my true "stars" are doing the hard work that takes real skill and talent, and they cost me $25/hr". So they let the "low talent" guys do the stuff they think they wont screw up....and then they screw it up.

But in the end the buck stops with the shop....you are only as strong as your weakest link.....and obviously they have some weak links in that shop..... to have crap like that walk out of a "high end" shop is crazy....wow.....

Have you talked to Tim about this stuff? I'm sure he know which guys are responsible.....

[GregWeld]

As stated by others... more patience than me I think. Glad you got it ironed out.

By chance is there an empty lot near you? Having your "shed" as a neighbor, and you of course :), would be ridiculous. Just from the backgrounds of some of your pictures I can only imagine...

Oh I ran out of patience with the shop right after they ran my motor without oil pressure.... and Frisbee and his foreman are sportin' enlarged orifices where the sun don't shine.

And YES -- I wish you'd make an offer on the house right behind me! That old coot has lived there since the '50's and is a bonafide car hater... I've had to shoo him off a couple of times. Sadly - homes where I live are north of the high side of ridiculous. I live in the Beverly Hills of the northwest... Bellevue - or as I like to call it - BLAHview... and they don't much like hot rods 'round here. They're all noisy and didn't come from a dealership! :lol: I'm waiting for him to croak and then I'll buy the dump and split my shed driveway and put a nice "clean shed" (like Charley has - one to build in and one to polish in!) over there. Unfortunately my wife will never let me waste that much on a 'shed'. Maybe we could make a trade?? :rofl:

[70rs]

That lot would make a really nice spot for SHED 2.0!

Maybe after I get my car on the road I can do a 3 am drive by that guys house.....on open headers. "on my way to the muffler shop" of course. :D

Think that might help him decide to sell?

[camcojb]

I dunno, I always considered 15% leakdown high, as in needs to be rebuilt. Just did Charleys Ford Cammer and all were under 3.5%. Hope all is good.

[GregWeld]

I dunno, I always considered 15% leakdown high, as in needs to be rebuilt. Just did Charleys Ford Cammer and all were under 3.5%. Hope all is good.



Everyone wants to have a hero engine, but don't believe all the hype you hear about 2 percent leakage engines. No cylinder seals perfectly, especially if the engine is nitroused, supercharged, or turbocharged where the top and second rings are set with wide ring endgaps. Even for normally aspirated engines, respectable leakage numbers would be anywhere from 8 to 12 percent with a variation between cylinders of 4 to 5 percent, but it's possible the variation could be as high as 10 percent.

So if you test an engine and see leakage numbers even in the 15 to 20 percent range, this is not cause for alarm



Read more: http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0406_cylinder_leakdown_tester/index1.html#ixzz1RW3bDAVS

[GregWeld]

Jody - I'd add to this that since I have aluminum heads - I don't like to pull the plugs with the motors at temp... so this quicky test was done on a cold motor that had been running pig fat.. and no rocking the rings or any other trick to make sure everything is just right. My guess is that if I tested this motor at operating temps - rocked the rings etc - that those numbers would be noticeably lower.

Regardless of that... this was a $3800 (net cost) crate motor... so I wouldn't expect the same results on a max effort build. If it makes it through the summer cruising season - I'll be happy! Seriously! I've already been working out what motor SHOULD be in there. And once that happens - around here (my house) - that's as good as DONE. :rofl:

[DOOM]

Greg..... It takes alot to hurt a small block. $3800.00 I agree when its done ,on to the next:D

[camcojb]

Everyone wants to have a hero engine, but don't believe all the hype you hear about 2 percent leakage engines. No cylinder seals perfectly, especially if the engine is nitroused, supercharged, or turbocharged where the top and second rings are set with wide ring endgaps. Even for normally aspirated engines, respectable leakage numbers would be anywhere from 8 to 12 percent with a variation between cylinders of 4 to 5 percent, but it's possible the variation could be as high as 10 percent.

So if you test an engine and see leakage numbers even in the 15 to 20 percent range, this is not cause for alarm



Read more: http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0406_cylinder_leakdown_tester/index1.html#ixzz1RW3bDAVSI was just quoting my personal experience; never had an engine I built with those kind of leakdowns, even when new and un-fired. If you're not worried about it that's all that matters.

[GregWeld]

I was just quoting my personal experience; never had an engine I built with those kind of leakdowns, even when new and un-fired. If you're not worried about it that's all that matters.

Well just for you buddy.... and I do certainly consider you a buddy! I'm going to perform a new test - cold - then I'm going to go drive the snot out of it in an effort to please TODD.... and then I'm going to gall out the spark plug threads and do a hot test... because - ya big lunk - ya got me all worried now!

EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[toddshotrods]

...in an effort to please TODD....
Which Todd? You'd better put your foot down, because you need to get it to Columbus by tomorrow evening, or Sunday morning, to please this one! I want to see it sparkle and hear it cackle in the wonderful Ohio heat and humidity! :P :D

[GregWeld]

Which Todd? You'd better put your foot down, because you need to get it to Columbus by tomorrow evening, or Sunday morning, to please this one! I want to see it sparkle and hear it cackle in the wonderful Ohio heat and humidity! :P :D

SORRY TODD -- the "other Todd" -- you know - the one that told me to quit whining and get and drive the wheels off it.

NEXT YEAR for Columbus! Just discussed this AM with Rodger Lee about getting me a room for next year before he leaves there - if possible.

Dude -- At my age -- time flies -- so next year will seem like next month!



EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[toddshotrods]

SORRY TODD -- the "other Todd" -- you know - the one that told me to quit whining and get and drive the wheels off it.

NEXT YEAR for Columbus! Just discussed this AM with Rodger Lee about getting me a room for next year before he leaves there - if possible.

Dude -- At my age -- time flies -- so next year will seem like next month!



EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA
I figured that's what you meant - I just couldn't resist the opportunity to post something completely useless. :lol:

We must be about the same age, because that's how time goes for me. Last month, I mean last year, I swore I would drive something through those gates. Thought about that while I was strolling in on my Nikes. :rolleyes:

Looking forward to seeing you bake in the Ohio sunshine! :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Hey guys,
I had a chance to swing by Gregs place a couple hours ago to pick up a few things and I saw the 32 again. Greg also fired it up for me. It gave me goosebumps.
You have to see and hear this car in person. If you ever get a chance don't pass it up. Pictures just don't do it justice. It is one VERY nice car. And it sounds killer too.

Thanks for having me over again Greg. And for the box(es) of goodies too!

[GregWeld]

Hey guys,
I had a chance to swing by Gregs place a couple hours ago to pick up a few things and I saw the 32 again. Greg also fired it up for me. It gave me goosebumps.
You have to see and hear this car in person. If you ever get a chance don't pass it up. Pictures just don't do it justice. It is one VERY nice car. And it sounds killer too.

Thanks for having me over again Greg. And for the box(es) of goodies too!

Thanks Eric! Always a good time chatting with you. Glad you came by.

Sorry about the boat anchor! No wonder we choose not to use that block! Guys - I'm sure Eric will post up in his thread about the junk block I gave him. Anchors away! :lol:

[GregWeld]

Okay Jody -- Just for you!


Here's a new leak down test done COLD.....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1179.jpg



AND here's one - same #1 cylinder - done HOT....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1180.jpg

[camcojb]

Okay Jody -- Just for you!


Here's a new leak down test done COLD.....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1179.jpg



AND here's one - same #1 cylinder - done HOT....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1180.jpg
don't 'ya feel a little better now? :D

[GregWeld]

don't 'ya feel a little better now? :D

No -- I burnt my knuckle on the hot header....



NOT!:D


Yes -- it's better. The first test was just a cold quicky to see IF there was a problem I should look after.... and actually - I was satisfied with the 15% because I knew it would improve with a "proper" test.... but like most of my posts - I know others are reading - so it's good to show this stuff so everyone learns a bit. So thanks for busting my chops and keeping it real!

[70rs]

Hey Greg,
No rain, sunny skies and dry roads........
Now that the 32 is buttoned up can we get some action shots?
Maybe have Alex video a giant rolling burnout up the street?:D
I know that motor has the snot it needs to boil those big ol' tires out back.

That guy who lives behind you would enjoy that right?

Have a good weekend buddy!:thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Rudys%20Camaro/IMG_1135.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Rudys%20Camaro/IMG_1144.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Rudys%20Camaro/IMG_1145.jpg

Good job on the Camaro Greg. Looking good.

[Vegas69]

You know, one cylinder really isn't a proper test. :D :lol:

Glad to hear you are getty her dirty. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

You know, one cylinder really isn't a proper test. :D :lol:

Glad to hear you are getty her dirty. :thumbsup:



Hey! I've got 1200 miles on her already!! Been driving every day.... drive - tweak something - drive some more - fix another "mistake". Now down to just
driving!

[Blake Foster]

Hey! I've got 1200 miles on her already!! Been driving every day.... drive - tweak something - drive some more - fix another "mistake". Now down to just
driving!

:theresa: :theresa: :theresa: :cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Looking forward to some vids when you finally get around to choosing a production company.


:unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Just an update:


1400 miles ---- and running great and driving great. Amazing to me still that the pro shop couldn't get the little things sorted out - that took me just a couple of hours here and there and all is well. That's not all shops -- it's just that shop. They have a lot of "L.O.F.T" in the mechanical area.

[70rs]

That's great! Are you taking it down to Puyallup with the Nomad?
How is Rudys Camaro coming along?

[Blake Foster]

1400 miles in this S%$t weather??? you must have a good umbrella!!!

[nvr2fst]

Wow Greg!
I know you mentioned you had some issues when I spoke to you awhile ago.
But after reviewing your thread (havent been here for awhile) I didnt realize it was like this. Im glad YOU:hail: have resolved most of and tweeked what needed to be done to acheive the 1400 miles so far:thumbsup:
Do you send them the bill!
As they say, it may look pretty but can it..........

[tones2SS]

Good to hear Greg. I hope that you can continue to enjoy it. Have fun!:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Wow Greg!
I know you mentioned you had some issues when I spoke to you awhile ago.
But after reviewing your thread (havent been here for awhile) I didnt realize it was like this. Im glad YOU:hail: have resolved most of and tweeked what needed to be done to acheive the 1400 miles so far:thumbsup:
Do you send them the bill!
As they say, it may look pretty but can it..........


If you really see what the issues were - my main reason for being so po'd is that they were such niggly wiggly little amateur hour mistakes and f ups.... NOTHING that wasn't easily fixed with common sense (like the brake lights that were intermittent). One by one I just went through and touched her up. Now all is good. The intake manifold install done by the fine craftsman at S.A.R. was hilarious... I think I could do better work when we did that, at 16 years old, out in the backyard with zero tools, and zero skills.

[Flash68]

They have a lot of "L.O.F.T" in the mechanical area.

Greggers -- I gotta admit I don't know what this means. :question:

[GregWeld]

Greggers -- I gotta admit I don't know what this means. :question:



Lack Of F'n Talent

[G-Body]

This is a sweet build but something about those front tires just look a lil wide man a narrow tire would look killer on this thing great build though congrats.

[toddshotrods]

This is a sweet build but something about those front tires just look a lil wide man a narrow tire would look killer on this thing great build though congrats.
Lol, I had to go back over twenty pages to find a pic of the car to see them! :lol: We need more pics! :D

Narrower tires would look nice, but take away from his driver goal. A couple or few of this year's SROY field has the little (M-T, I think) Pro Street style front runners, and looked really cool with them, but I did wonder about driving with them on the street. My little Saturn daily driver has narrow, low rolling resistance (LRR) tires to boost its MPG numbers, and they aren't too confidence inspiring. I plan to sacrifice 1-2mpg (guessing) for some wider tires and more stability/handling...

[GregWeld]

This is a sweet build but something about those front tires just look a lil wide man a narrow tire would look killer on this thing great build though congrats.

I fought this and the choices for the tires and wheels sizes.... and every time we came up with a rear tire size - we'd find they didn't have a front tire in the size we needed -- or vice versa.

I think if you saw the car in person you might see that they actually "work" okay. I too would have liked smaller fronts... and we even had Schott make the front wheels narrower than their normal offerings.

[camcojb]

hey Greg, where 'ya been?

[GregWeld]

:lol: :lol:

Working on a buddies '56 BBC with 8 stacks -- We now refer to the FAST XFI 2.0 "upgrade" as the "three hour tour..."

He wanted to change oil -- and do that upgrade - and THREE LONG days later we drove it to GG Show in Puyallup. Long story. But it included a butterfly that was BLOWN from flat to being bent 90*'s.... OMG! That "explosion" still has me jumping.

The SpeedTech crew just left my house... and are headed home -- but I have a whole lot of really "killer" equipment around my place right now! I think the plasma will blow through the padlocks in no time.... and keys were left in the Nova that is in "the shed".... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm........:captain:

[70rs]

:
The SpeedTech crew just left my house... .... and keys were left in the Nova that is in "the shed":

Leave the side door open.......on my way now!:D


That '56 with the BBC is a really nice car. Your buddy was telling me about that explosion, how could that happen with everything shut down like it was?

I was good to catch up with you at the show. The cars all looked great, but the 32 really stood out I think.

[GregWeld]

Leave the side door open.......on my way now!:D


That '56 with the BBC is a really nice car. Your buddy was telling me about that explosion, how could that happen with everything shut down like it was?

I was good to catch up with you at the show. The cars all looked great, but the 32 really stood out I think.

Eric -- Yeah -- it's a really nice car!

If I could answer your question I would - but I'm still scratching my head about that.... nothing turning over - fuel pump disconnected - key "on" for 3 or 4 minutes... and all of a sudden.... KABOOM! Inside the shop and with the car on the lift --- it was f'n LOUD and HARD.

I'm an internationally licensed pyro --- so I've been around a few large explosions in my lifetime.... but this one was so unexpected... and inside the shed like that... and I'm just sitting there doing the XFI update.... it was a real shocker!

Thanks for the kind words on the '32.... We did have a sweet "camp" set up this weekend! Shade - bathroom 50 feet away - food.... what's not to like!

[70rs]

Yeah, you guys had some prime real estate at the show!

Save that butterfly for a wall hanger.....good conversation piece. I can imagine the crack from the explosion was pretty intense in the shop. Glad I wasn't there....woulda called for a change of shorts......:_paranoid

[Blake Foster]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Blake Foster]

:_paranoid :_paranoid

Hey wait a minute!!!
NO don't leave the side door open!!!

[GregWeld]

:_paranoid :_paranoid

Hey wait a minute!!!
NO don't leave the side door open!!!



Do I know you??


:D

[70rs]

:_paranoid :_paranoid

Hey wait a minute!!!
NO don't leave the side door open!!!

This bucket sure rides nice around town.........:D

[GregWeld]

Well.... Since I have to haul a trailer south to Charley's place to pick up the Mustang ---- I called Brizio this morning to inquire if I could drop off the '32 at their place for them to replace the clutch and do a full alignment on the car.

Good news! They said heck yeah - bring her on down! So instead of an empty haul - Miss Redo will go down for a nice needed fix.

Not sure what SAR did to this clutch (hydraulic) but it's never been right... and I'm 100% certain that Brizio can make the required fix, whatever that is.... I just don't have the time or space with Rudy's Camaro still occupying the lift.... and I have to get the '37 out of the trailer... so it has to go into the shed... and blah blah blah.

So Dave.... if you want to see her - she'll be there sometime this Thrusday...

[fleetus macmullitz]

Sounds like a good idea for a number of reasons Greg.

Bring your 'A' camera, huh? :cool:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Poor car, Just can't seam to get a break. I would have them go over and look at everything..That shop knows 32"s

[Flash68]

So Dave.... if you want to see her - she'll be there sometime this Thrusday...

Cool, Greg... yeah I'll hit you up on Wed and see what your schedule is looking like.... I am 8 miles from Brizio's shop.

[GregWeld]

Poor car, Just can't seam to get a break. I would have them go over and look at everything..That shop knows 32"s

Everything else has been gone over... and everything else is perfect.... the clutch was wrong from day one... and has just gotten worse. I've been nursing along until the rainy season (all summer as it turns out - lousy summer here!).

I would like to have a 'relationship' with Brizio's shop - so this works out perfectly. Ordinarily I'd service this part myself but will take advantage of the trip and become a 'paying' customer. I find paying customers get good service when they need it...

I'm still thinking over the '37 Ford project.... and this would be just the shop to handle that IF (big IF) I decide to have part, or all of it, built somewhere. My wife has been very busy with MY time lately... and it's getting worse! :willy: :lol: And we all know how many hours it takes to crank this stuff out, and I'm not getting any younger!

[GregWeld]

Cool, Greg... yeah I'll hit you up on Wed and see what your schedule is looking like.... I am 8 miles from Brizio's shop.

KILLER!

My plan is to get the '37 out of the trailer and the '32 in today... It's been POURING rain up here off and on... Then hit the road tomorrow (Wednesday) -- and be at Brizio "early" (before noon if possible) THURSDAY... then head back up to Woodland area with the empty trailer so I'm set up for Friday. You have my cell I''m pretty sure?

[GregWeld]

Sounds like a good idea for a number of reasons Greg.

Bring your 'A' camera, huh? :cool:


Skippers..... I promise you I WILL NOT take any photos of a certain GOLD '55... but will snap anything else that is actually good looking! :unibrow: :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Skippers..... I promise you I WILL NOT take any photos of a certain GOLD '55

I understand Greg.

But put it out of your mind before you meet Roy. Otherwise any gold he is wearing may set you off....again!

And remember, gold and yellow are fraternal twins, so show some of the same tolerance we are giving you for owning that rapid banana mobile.


:lol:

[GregWeld]

I understand Greg.

But put it out of your mind before you meet Roy. Otherwise any gold he is wearing may set you off....again!

And remember, gold and yellow are fraternal twins, so show some of the same tolerance we are giving you for owning that rapid banana mobile.


:lol:


Charley had it painted that color because the Northern California Shelby Clubs NOVICE group color is YELLOW.... and he knew I was going to buy it! :rofl: :rofl: It will go nicely with my pants and the green harness....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Charley had it painted that color because the Northern California Shelby Clubs NOVICE group color is YELLOW.... and he knew I was going to buy it! :rofl: :rofl: It will go nicely with my pants and the green harness....

That Charley, always pro-actively twistin the knife. :unibrow:

But I think that green harness will work with the right pants.

http://ny-image1.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.107345325.jpg


:lol:

[ccracin]

That Charley, always pro-actively twistin the knife. :unibrow:

But I think that green harness will work with the right pants.

http://ny-image1.etsy.com/il_fullxfull.107345325.jpg


:lol:
That's perfect Skip. They will go great with his helmet!

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/ccracin/Misc/WELD.jpg

:unibrow:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Chad,

Great pic. :)

Greg is obviously a good sport, and I think its cool 'The King' gets to take his '32 to 'the King of 32's. :thumbsup:

[ccracin]

Chad,

Great pic. :)

Greg is obviously a good sport, and I think its cool 'The King' gets to take his '32 to 'the King of 32's. :thumbsup:

No doubt about it. I had to throw in the Mel Brooks quote. It seemed to work well. :P
You are right about Brizio's, I don't think anyone knows their way around a deuce better than they do!

[mdprovee]

Hey Greg, if you have time Thursday after 5, you could swing by for dinner. You can even stay if needed.

[GregWeld]

Hey Greg, if you have time Thursday after 5, you could swing by for dinner. You can even stay if needed.


Wow! Thanks for the invite! I've got a hotel in Woodland for Thursday night... that way I can bug Charley early on Friday! LOL

The reason I'm headed down "early" is to make sure I have the seat adjusted right. I don't want to be struggling late Friday afternoon trying to rebuild a seat position for Saturday AM.... it's a long ways down and back for me to run into a problem.

Let me see what happens Thursday at Brizio - what time I get there and go over all the stuff I want them to do etc... I'll call you when I have a decent idea what's up. Remember I'll have a big azz trailer (I'm 50' long when all hooked up!) so we can talk about that then.

[GregWeld]

She's finally where I should have STARTED..... :rolleyes:



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1499-1.jpg

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Next one

[Blake Foster]

long way to go to get a clutch looked at...........:thumbsup:

so when we get to see a pick of your new toy?

[GregWeld]

long way to go to get a clutch looked at...........:thumbsup:

so when we get to see a pick of your new toy?



All kinds of pics in the "for sale" section right here on Lat G!!

Yeah --- it's not about the clutch replacement - I can do that at home myself -- this was a "relationship" trip... get them to know me.. and me them...

Funny how a "paying customer" is somehow a better guy - than just some DB they talk to at a show once in awhile.... LOL

[RECOVERY ROOM]

First date kinda thing :cheers:

[Blake Foster]

All kinds of pics in the "for sale" section right here on Lat G!!

Yeah --- it's not about the clutch replacement - I can do that at home myself -- this was a "relationship" trip... get them to know me.. and me them...

Funny how a "paying customer" is somehow a better guy - than just some DB they talk to at a show once in awhile.... LOL

Yea i get it, lol so now you wont be s DB any more???

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Yea i get it, lol so now you wont be s DB any more???

:cheers:


Now I'll be a PAYING DB! That's just one notch above a non-paying DB but still a DB.:woot:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

Besides the clutch issue, any other work you're having done?

How long will 'The Red Menace' be at Roy's?

What are your impressions of their operation?

Any builds there you particularly like?

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Besides the clutch issue, any other work you're having done?

How long will 'The Red Menace' be at Roy's?

What are your impressions of their operation?

Any builds there you particularly like?

I'm having them do a front and rear end alignment. SAR "did it" - but I don't trust anything MECHANICALLY that they do/did. The rear twin coil overs touch the half shafts once in awhile - so they'll take a look at spacing/spacers... It's not an issue - but I had much larger half shafts built - so that created the issue.

Not sure how long it will take them - they're very busy - and they really don't do "repair work" but were willing to take this on... so it will just be done when it's done.

I've always been 100% impressed with their shop - and the way they treat customers. This explains why so many people have had several cars built there. Here's a comparison.... Brizio is happy to see you - and happy to have you tour the shop and work with you.... SAR's attitude is that you're lucky that they acknowledge you.... Which explains why they have few repeat customers and very little work in the shop. Brizio is slammed with work. HUGE difference!

Rodders Journal just did a piece on ANOTHER Eric Clapton car... they've built him several... and the article shows the car in bare metal. It's now painted and is in the area where they do final assembly. It's super kool. There were 4 cars in the final assembly area... and all were just WOW.

Funny how clean the shop is -- they don't do bodywork... no bondo dust flying around - no primer in the air... just metal.

I'm so po'd at myself for having made such a bad choice having SAR build the car - when this (Brizio) was my first pick to start with... but I kinda felt sorry for SAR having so little work, and felt it was closer to me, and blah blah blah. :drama:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

Thanks for the info. You really painted a picture of how Roy Brizio treats people, and not surprisingly how busy they are.

I think you're referring to Clapton's 4 dr RHD Vicky. Looking forward to seeing that one done.

[Lenie]

Greg, any news happening to your car? Great place to store it say till about May then Road trip:unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Greg, any news happening to your car? Great place to store it say till about May then Road trip:unibrow:

Lenie --- I'm afraid to call or email them and ask! If I hurry them up - you're right - I'll loose my storage facility!

I have the electrician coming this morning to finish up Rudys' wiring... Rudy was here this weekend and I have a plumbing fitting shopping list which I'll pick up tomorrow... and he'll be back this weekend and we should fire the pig off! Then hang sheetmetal. Of course.... in my usual "it can always be better" manor... I was at Art Morrisons the other day - and ended up buying him a coil over conversion and pan-hard bar... so once it's rolling/driving... we'll tear the reared out of it and get if off the leaf springs. :lol: :wow: :rolleyes:

[Lenie]

Greg, my son just bought a little home up in Kirkland which I will be over at regularly for the next couple of months remodeling. I'll give you a call when I'm in the area and we can talk shop/cars, what a life:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

EGGS SELL LANT!!!


I'm here 99% of the time.... Well... unless I have something more interesting to do! LOL

[tgvettes]

Greg, how could it possibly be anything more interesting to do then to be on here LOL. You can always come down and work on my wagon.

Tonny

[GregWeld]

Tonny!

I'll be down there over New Years for the Seahawks/Cardinals game!

Well -- that and also to make sure the condo is E M P T Y so I can donate it to some charity. :unibrow: :D Then I have to get my wife to Bondurant for her class sometime between then and the RTTAlamo event... Oh - and then there's the Grand National Roadster Show in there too... :willy: :D

[tgvettes]

I get your point

[GregWeld]

I get your point

I'm hungry for some ribs at Houston's!

[tgvettes]

any time Greg, I have not been to Houston's in a while

[GregWeld]

Well -- reviving this one from the dead pool...


Roy B. called me today -- they had the roadster over to the line up shop -- and as he said - if it was "out" just a little - he wouldn't have called me -- but he did because the REAR END was out of whack so far!

Somebody remind me why I didn't choose Roy to build the car in the first place...

Up next -- the slipping clutch... Which we should be able to discuss by the time I get to the GNRS and see him there. My hope is he finds "something" wrong. Ala the rear being so far out of alignment. I'd prefer to FIND what is wrong rather than be told "we couldn't see anything wrong"... that's what I heard from SAR. So far that hasn't worked out real well for them. :wow: :unibrow:

[HWY Nova]

I'd prefer to FIND what is wrong......

Aaah, the old smoking-gun approach. I agree, it always better to diagnose the problem, find the souce, and then correct the problem....... or you can just keep throwing darts..... Lawndarts?


--Eric

[Lenie]

Just found this, SAR's commercial

http://youtu.be/NVQS3X4qM6M

[GregWeld]

Dude -- You must be stuck at home..... :willy: :wow: :rofl:

Here's the commercial...


NVQS3X4qM6M&feature=youtu.be

[Lenie]

Not stuck, just prefer not to be on the road w/people who actually believe they can drive in the snow.:_paranoid Thought you might enjoy SAR's newly released commercial.:D

[Ron in SoCal]

That looks like Scott's car! :lol:

[GregWeld]

I sure hope Steve reads this magazine..... and see's that cute little Red Roadster sitting in the shop....

EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



Too funny!



http://www.good-guys.com/news/newsStory.aspx?newsid=1940

[Flash68]

^ Ha! Lookin good Greg... so how long did you sign the storage lease for that car with Roy? 12 month term? :D