32 Ford "tweaks" and a few mods

[HWY Nova]

Ed -- It's going to Santa Barbara if I have to push it all the way there! I've been waiting for this trip all winter and I'm going to the beach dude! :yes: :woot:

Greg,

I'll see you in Santa Barbara (I grew up here)....


--Eric

[awr68]

Have a safe trip Greg! The go-cart came out most excellent!! :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Well -- I got the car -- drove it a bit and did do a video.... But I'm a bit GoPro "challenged" so I managed to stick the thing upside-down hanging in back so the exhaust would record and the half shafts could be seen flipping on it's maiden voyage. Unfortunately I didn't set the camera so that it would record right side up. Nobody wants to see a video upside-down!

Car runs fine - needs some driving to tune itself.... which I will do once in California.

I also brought my "good camera" and attempted to take some shots of it - but the camera wouldn't snap a picture and kept giving me some lame azz error code. So nothing there either. Funny - once I got settled for the night - stupid camera worked just fine. Oh well...

Here's a couple different looks -- but I'll take real pics at the show.


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0875.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0879.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0878.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0884.jpg


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0874.jpg

[waynieZ]

It looks great ! I really like the way the wheels look with the dark centers. That first drive must have felt good.
Hey Greg maybe with some of your retirement time you could take a camera course. lol Enjoy it!

[Lenie]

Grey, when you get home, I gotta come over and see it. You gotta be estatic!

[tgvettes]

That is outstanding Greg, just what I would want my 32 (someday someday)
to look like

Tonny

[GregWeld]

It looks great ! I really like the way the wheels look with the dark centers. That first drive must have felt good.
Hey Greg maybe with some of your retirement time you could take a camera course. lol Enjoy it!

Wayne --- I know!! I S U C K.... the phone cameras just won't take a photo if it's at all dark - you only get the shake look.... And I have no clue what the good one was trying to tell me except it must have been something like "Dude! You are too stupid to use me so I quit!" :woot:

Now I have to figure out a way to 'edit' the GoPro video on my Mac... I'm clueless... but someone must know or I'll spend some time looking it up and then I'll post some video.

[GregWeld]

Grey, when you get home, I gotta come over and see it. You gotta be estatic!

Lenie -- just bring some of that extra cash you have. Give it to me instead of the scammers. I'll no doubt have a 'list' of things that need tweaking when I get back so will probably end up dropping it off in Portland for that "honey do" list... Then I'm hauling it back down to Pleasanton for the June GoodGuys show there. Then it's home a couple days and back down to Pomona for the LA Roadsters Fathers Day show. :woot:

[GregWeld]

That is outstanding Greg, just what I would want my 32 (someday someday)
to look like

Tonny



Thanks Tonny! It looks WAY better in person I can tell ya.... It has a SAR "quality" look and feel. I'm very happy with the level of fit and finish these guys do...

[fleetus macmullitz]

I realize you don't have much seat time yet, but how is the placement of the seat, steering wheel, shifter working out?

[carbuff]

Greg,

As an original hot-rodder myself with my father, I have to say that I love what you've done! Beautiful Deuce!!! Enjoy the new toy...

[Tom.A]

Looks awesome. Congrats

[killer67]

Gotta be proud of that Greg! Very nice

[96z28ss]

A nice sunny day out today and you couldn't take any pictures outside??
Pictures in the building and inside the trailer.:wow:

[Flash68]

Well -- I got the car -- drove it a bit and did do a video.... But I'm a bit GoPro "challenged" so I managed to stick the thing upside-down hanging in back so the exhaust would record and the half shafts could be seen flipping on it's maiden voyage. Unfortunately I didn't set the camera so that it would record right side up. Nobody wants to see a video upside-down!

Car runs fine - needs some driving to tune itself.... which I will do once in California.

I also brought my "good camera" and attempted to take some shots of it - but the camera wouldn't snap a picture and kept giving me some lame azz error code. So nothing there either. Funny - once I got settled for the night - stupid camera worked just fine. Oh well...

Greg, you are a technological pile of dung. :lol:

I record in the upside setting because that's how my roll bar mount holds it and then I just convert it with my video convertor (free, and recommended by GoPro on their support website page for this -- called Streamclip). It's pretty slick and easy to use.

http://gopro.com/support/rotate-stream-clip/

Let me know if I can help! :cheers:

[67ragtp]

Greg- The rake is perfect, the car looks awesome- Nice job :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Rich

[NOPANTS68]

Dave - It's Ferrari Rosso Corsa Red.



Ah, it could only have been! Same color my deuce was. Thanks!

[fesler]

Looking good that will for sure be a fun ride for you

[Jr]

Overall beautiful execution of the car. I would like to see a picture of the rear. The exhaust looks sweet! The wheels really compliment the car, too. We need better pictures.:thumbsup:

[War]

Car came out nice Greg. Are you going to the June Pleasanton show with it?

[tones2SS]

Very, very nice Greg. You have a killer ride there. Gotta love the color scheme. Glad you finally have it in your hands. ENJOY!:cheers:

[awr68]

Love it Greg! Great balance of everything!
BTW, I have room to store it in my garage.....just sayin'! ;)

[56pickup]

Greg,

Car came out great! All the little things make a world of a difference!

cant wait to see some pictures under the sun~ :thumbsup:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Looking good, ...Street Rods are the sh*t :hail:

[GregWeld]

Wow --- so many responses! Thanks to all that have expressed their undying love for my new 'toy'.... I can tell you that after the initial drive --- I like it more than I even thought I would! It sounds GREAT! It drives great... The IRS/IFS was a good call! The Tremec 5 speed shifts like butter. I might flip the quick change gears to the 4.30 position.... With the tall tires - I spent a lot of time in 3rd gear.

I'm on the road to Santa Barbara.... I'm pooped after a 12 hour trailer haul.

Tomorrow we'll be in Santa Barbara --- going via San Luis Obispo and maybe a stop in Monterey.... Then I PROMISE I will take proper shots of the car and post them.

Picking the car up was the usual CF.... a couple of tweaks needed after a short drive... and running later than I had planned. I needed to get to my mother in laws - whom I love dearly (she's 85) and take her out to dinner etc.... so pictures just weren't "important".

I will get 'er done!

[GregWeld]

Greg, you are a technological pile of dung. :lol:

I record in the upside setting because that's how my roll bar mount holds it and then I just convert it with my video convertor (free, and recommended by GoPro on their support website page for this -- called Streamclip). It's pretty slick and easy to use.

http://gopro.com/support/rotate-stream-clip/

Let me know if I can help! :cheers:

I am a dung pile and you know it!


Thanks for the link -- I'll look at it and see if that helps me out. I use Mac's so some of this stuff isn't "supported" in the OSx format.... but will check it out.

[GregWeld]

Skip --


The driving position is perfect for me! I'm short (and fat) being both 5'5" long and about that in diameter.... short arms... short legs... short memory... and hold the jokes about short... you bunch of losers...

It has a tilt wheel which helps get in and out -- and puts the wheel where it belongs. SAR repositioned the pedals and got 'em PERFECT! The shifter falls to hand exactly where it belongs. I love it. The cup holders might need some "tweaking"... but that's hardly important.

[Flash68]

I am a dung pile and you know it!


Thanks for the link -- I'll look at it and see if that helps me out. I use Mac's so some of this stuff isn't "supported" in the OSx format.... but will check it out.

So you likely use quicktime perhaps? if neither of those, I am no help! :lol:

http://gopro.com/support/rotate-quicktime-pro/

gitter dun -- enjoy the car every minute man! :thumbsup:

[toddshotrods]

Ditto what everyone else said, the car looks awesome! Seeing you wrap it up is almost bittersweet for me though because the "journey" inspired me to actually do some work on my own. ;) Tug it to Columbus now, and take me for a ride to help me stay on track! :lol:

[GregWeld]

Got into Santa Barbara tonight and brought the POS out of the darkness and into the light... :lol: These are shots still only taken with my iPhone.. the battery is charging now for the "big" camera.




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0889.jpg


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0890.jpg


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0897.jpg

[Tom.A]

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0889.jpg

What a change...The below looks so dated compared to the above
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/32fordred01.gif

Great job :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Damn, Greggers... I'm not even into rods but that shiat looks fantastic! I wanna hear that thing! :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

Wow!

Very cohesive design. :thumbsup:

I really like those pics...you got some shade.

I'm especially starin' at the exhaust and how Lupé tucked it. ;)

[ccracin]

Greg,

That is absolutely stunning buddy! Very well thought out and executed. Now drive it like you stole it! :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

beautiful car Greg. :cheers:

[bentfab]

Looking good u lucky bastard :hail:

[SBDave]

Looks good Greg! Let me know if you need anything in Santa Barbara, I live downtown. See you on Sunday!

David

[boonedog]

love the change! looks very good

[Lenie]

Looking good u lucky bastard :hail:

X100:drool: :drool:

[youthpastor]

nice job Greg..when do I get my first ride in a hi-boy?

[GregWeld]

Well -- Santa Barbara is a beautiful town! I love it here! We had a nice day of cruising down "old town" if that's what they call it - and just generally scoping things out. The car was running like crap... so ended up doing a big of the ol' parking lot re-do... coil wires from the MSD where bundled with the EFI wires - SUPER BIG NO NO.... so got that straightened out. Having a trailer is where that pays off... nice big box full o' tools... wire... etc. Then the injectors are LS7 versions - rated at 58 #'s (39# injectors - but MOST injectors are rated at 43#'s).... so that's where they were set.... Poor thing was PIG FAT.... so dropped that down to 50#'s and runs FAR FAR better....

The rear end is puking gear grease on my fancy dandy exhaust --- and that will just have to wait for a better time to fix it. SAR can handle that when I get back north.

The one thing I want to say -- this car DRIVES fantastic! As in 90 MPH on the freeway is like driving my big four door... well not quite... but it drives GREAT. I lowered the tire pressure to 25#'s all around and that really made it handle so much better... but the suspension is terrific in this car. I'm very very impressed with that. My buddies '32 with the dropped straight axle is a lane hopper. And it's rough... and wanders. Not because it's loose steering but because it's axle etc is all over the place. (The '32 I down here with is different than the one I say drives like crap... this one I'm with is a "Great 8" car -- all torsion bar suspension and a Northstar motor - and it's SWEET).



lbGEyM7lHYs

[camcojb]

:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Jody -- I've got to run the rack in the AM... nothing better than cup of coffee - beach air - sunshine - and motor oil while adjusting valves. I think they're too tight having been adjusted one full turn -- I'm going to back them off and do 'em all at half a turn. Long story - but I think this might help. They're hydraulic rollers.

[mexMan]

Wait... if you have the lakester sidepipes, how come you've got a central pipe?

[89 RS]

Greg, That '32 is freakin' awesome! An average person might not think it, but looking at the before and after pictures is night and day difference in the transformation. I would love to own a rod like that. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

The one thing I want to say -- this car DRIVES fantastic! As in 90 MPH on the freeway is like driving my big four door... well not quite... but it drives GREAT. I lowered the tire pressure to 25#'s all around and that really made it handle so much better... but the suspension is terrific in this car. I'm very very impressed with that.



That obviously is huge....congrats on that. :thumbsup:




lbGEyM7lHYs



I don't how they did it, but the exhaust has got that nice Ford tone.

:P

[Blake Foster]

that looks
AWESOME!!!!

Cant wait to cruise at Puyallup SP
now i think i need to bring the 33 down the 2 would look wicked together

[HWY Nova]

Greg,

See you tomorrow at the show!


--Eric

[GregWeld]

Greg,

See you tomorrow at the show!


--Eric

Not if it's raining buddy! If we go - which means we're getting up and leaving the hotel at 6 AM IF it's not spritzin.... if it's spritzin' we'll decide if we all want to pile into my Nomad and just take it --- and if it's really raining - we're heading to VEGAS.....

The car drives great - but I have many other stories to tell when this saga plays out. This morning at 6 AM I adjusted the valves out in the IHOP parking lot... I have intermittent brake lights - I can't get into the trunk half the time - I have water leaks - I have gear grease puking onto the fancy friggin' exhaust... sometimes it starts - sometimes not. I've had to have it towed off HWY 101 (thanks for AAA) and back to the trailer parking so I could repair the wire that came off (terminal broke off because the wire was too tight) the alternator... and I've had to rewire the MSD and get that wiring all away from the ECU bundle. Funny -- I told SAR -- "DO NOT" place the MSD anywhere near the ECU. Great! They put the ECU under the dash - and the MSD under the seat... fine.... then they BUNDLED all the wiring in one loom. The car wouldn't run - it crapped and backfired and did all manor of ill mannered things. NOTE TO FUTURE EFI PEOPLE.... DO NOT RUN THE COIL LEADS FROM THE MSD ANYWHERE NEAR THE ECU OR IT'S WIRING!! How stupid.... Why would you relocate the brain boxes only to bundle their associated wiring.

I now know why I have a shop in my own backyard... because (sorry "pros") most of the supposed "shops" don't know diddly about nuttin'!

Can you tell I'm pissed? :woot:

I'm a greaser - not a waxer.... all the fancy chrome in the world doesn't mean squat to me if the car is dead on the side of the road! Take your chrome and shove it! Give me a dead solid reliable car any day. My Nomad has far more extensive electronics and systems in it - I did it ALL myself - and thank god - because it's down here (brother in law drug it down) and it's been the parts chase car... and the come get me off the freeway car... and it starts - drives great - runs better - the brake lights work - the headlights work... it doesn't rattle... and I'd drive the POS to NYC and back tomorrow. It was BUILT RIGHT! Attention to "circuits" in electricity - grounds - and +'s are EQUALLY important... Don't even get me started about the nightmare wiring in the '32 that was just "done" and then "Re-done" because I bitched about what I saw. Guess what... I'm not sure they'll get the chance to re-do the re-do.

[GregWeld]

I don't how they did it, but the exhaust has got that nice Ford tone.

:P

It sounds one hell of a lot better now that I ran the rack on it.... I picked up a sound in the exhaust note (don't ask me how I hear it - it's just "experience" I guess) that said valve adjustment....

Ran the rack this morning --- the note is "solid" now... without the "backwash" hiccups I picked up on. :willy: :willy: :woot:

[GregWeld]

Greg, That '32 is freakin' awesome! An average person might not think it, but looking at the before and after pictures is night and day difference in the transformation. I would love to own a rod like that. :thumbsup:

Thanks Corey!

I love the looks... but beauty is only skin deep. I'll get it all sorted out. It did completely CHANGE the look and style of the car and I'm happy with the "looks". :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Wait... if you have the lakester sidepipes, how come you've got a central pipe?


There is an under car exhaust that comes off the lake style header - most of the off the shelf stuff you see the exhaust run off the bottom of the collector and goes down OUTSIDE the frame and then back underneath.

TIM BRUNING (our MISTER Tim Bruning) built this so the exhaust goes off the collector and INSIDE the frame and then runs back so you don't see it. Super sweet idea and execution on his part!

[fleetus macmullitz]

It sounds one hell of a lot better now that I ran the rack on it.... I picked up a sound in the exhaust note (don't ask me how I hear it - it's just "experience" I guess) that said valve adjustment....

Ran the rack this morning --- the note is "solid" now... without the "backwash" hiccups I picked up on. :willy: :willy: :woot:

Greg,

Sorry to read about all the trouble you've had with the car. :rolleyes:

I know you've improved how its running, but it still had a nice, different sound to it, likely due to the unique exhaust. If I didn't know it was a sbc Chevy, I doubt I would've been able to guess what motor was in the deuce ... and I like that.

[waynieZ]

Sorry to hear about all the problems with the car. I was hoping (For you ) the problems from the first day would be the only ones. I hope the weather holds out for you and you get to enjoy it some. I wish you would drive that as you call it POS Nomad to New York so I could drive down and see it. lol I hope it goes better tomorrow.

[camcojb]

Not if it's raining buddy! If we go - which means we're getting up and leaving the hotel at 6 AM IF it's not spritzin.... if it's spritzin' we'll decide if we all want to pile into my Nomad and just take it --- and if it's really raining - we're heading to VEGAS.....

The car drives great - but I have many other stories to tell when this saga plays out. This morning at 6 AM I adjusted the valves out in the IHOP parking lot... I have intermittent brake lights - I can't get into the trunk half the time - I have water leaks - I have gear grease puking onto the fancy friggin' exhaust... sometimes it starts - sometimes not. I've had to have it towed off HWY 101 (thanks for AAA) and back to the trailer parking so I could repair the wire that came off (terminal broke off because the wire was too tight) the alternator... and I've had to rewire the MSD and get that wiring all away from the ECU bundle. Funny -- I told SAR -- "DO NOT" place the MSD anywhere near the ECU. Great! They put the ECU under the dash - and the MSD under the seat... fine.... then they BUNDLED all the wiring in one loom. The car wouldn't run - it crapped and backfired and did all manor of ill mannered things. NOTE TO FUTURE EFI PEOPLE.... DO NOT RUN THE COIL LEADS FROM THE MSD ANYWHERE NEAR THE ECU OR IT'S WIRING!! How stupid.... Why would you relocate the brain boxes only to bundle their associated wiring.

I now know why I have a shop in my own backyard... because (sorry "pros") most of the supposed "shops" don't know diddly about nuttin'!

Can you tell I'm pissed? :woot:

I'm a greaser - not a waxer.... all the fancy chrome in the world doesn't mean squat to me if the car is dead on the side of the road! Take your chrome and shove it! Give me a dead solid reliable car any day. My Nomad has far more extensive electronics and systems in it - I did it ALL myself - and thank god - because it's down here (brother in law drug it down) and it's been the parts chase car... and the come get me off the freeway car... and it starts - drives great - runs better - the brake lights work - the headlights work... it doesn't rattle... and I'd drive the POS to NYC and back tomorrow. It was BUILT RIGHT! Attention to "circuits" in electricity - grounds - and +'s are EQUALLY important... Don't even get me started about the nightmare wiring in the '32 that was just "done" and then "Re-done" because I bitched about what I saw. Guess what... I'm not sure they'll get the chance to re-do the re-do.
this whole deal is a "character builder"........... and you are definitely a "character". :lol: Typical new car bugs, they all have them. Glad you're getting it all sorted out, sorry there's so many, but I think it'll be a great car once sorted. I need to figure out if I can actually fit in one, because I love the look.

[89 RS]

Damn Greg, Sorry to hear about the issues you have found. I'm sure you will get it straightened out, just don't severely hurt anyone.:_paranoid

[GregWeld]

this whole deal is a "character builder"........... and you are definitely a "character". :lol: Typical new car bugs, they all have them. Glad you're getting it all sorted out, sorry there's so many, but I think it'll be a great car once sorted. I need to figure out if I can actually fit in one, because I love the look.


Jody,

I've had lots and lots of cars.... but this little POS is the most fun car I've ever owned (despite the stupid "mistakes" SAR built into the car). It's a friggin little rocket ship... handles like a go kart with suspension... sounds bad ass... has gears to row...

My brother in law is 6' 4".... and he fits in it. Not sure if the plastic surgeon can get those teeth marks out of his knees though. They might buff out. :cheers:


HUGE -- JUST HUGE -- difference in this car than "normal" '32 Fords.... these little POS NEED the suspension - i.e., the Kugel (or other) IRS and IFS really really changes how these light weight - ultra short... cars ride. The ride on this car is awesome!

[HWY Nova]

Greg,

Well, it did rain last night but it is clear now.... a few clouds, but clear. I live "over the hill" in Santa Ynez, and it looks decent outside here.

I plan to be at the show by noon....... Hopefully I can catch up with you.


--Eric

[Blake Foster]

Deep Breath.................. and out..................

i guess you need to debug it at some point. that is why i don't let the customer take his car till after a test drive, sorry Greg

:willy:

[Vegas69]

Not impressed, there is a lot to be said for well thought out systems and the "Engineering". Looks and sounds killer. A few bugs are expected. That seems extreme for a pro shop, though.

You know the old saying, "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself".

[RECOVERY ROOM]

WOW :wow:

[john royal]

When building a car there are tons of things to think about. Not all can be forseen. Before we tell the customer we are ready foe him to come drive it we drive it for about a week or till everything is fixed. We try our best to use what we learned on the last car and make the next one better. Sorry your having so many problems. I've been there.

[HWY Nova]

Look what I saw today in Santa Barbara:
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n408/hwynova/P1010003.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n408/hwynova/P1010002.jpg

Beautiful car!


--Eric

[waynieZ]

It sure does look sweet!

[HWY Nova]

Here are two more:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n408/hwynova/P1010004-1.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n408/hwynova/P1010005.jpg


The car sat unattended, soooooo I decided to sit in it! Real attention getter!!! It was great..... I got out after about 30 minutes or so.

Pics are nice but an AWESOME car in person.



--Eric

[Musclerodz]

Looks great Greg. Sorry to hear about the issues. All cars seem to have some, but other can be avoided. I always seem to lose my a$$ on finishing one. I never plan enough hours no matter how many times I double the time I expect it too take. Deveil is in the details and makes all the difference in the world to the customer.

[SBDave]

Nice to meet you Greg, car looked amazing!
Dave

[HWY Nova]

Sounds like Greg may have other vehicle issues...... (he sure is quiet).


--Eric

[96z28ss]

He is having a bunch of issues. For the money he spent on this car, he shouldn't have any issues. On the flip side SAR should of test drove and de-bugged some of the issues.
He is probably quiet cause he is back on the road (trailering) heading to his next destination.

[HWY Nova]

He is probably quiet cause he is back on the road (trailering) heading to his next destination.

Actually....... He is having "unscheduled" service work done on his truck in Santa Maria, CA..... but at least they had what he needed in-stock!!!

I know Greg will chime in soon.


--Eric

[Boss 5.0]

So did he get a "pick"? I noticed the sticker on the front headlight.

[tones2SS]

Greg, that car looks great. Hopefully all the issues can be sorted out so you can enjoy that bad boy!
GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Thanks for the pics Eric! We had a nice lunch at Chases Bar and Grill there on State St.... wish you could have joined us! It's "old Santa Barbara Eye Talion" with photos of Frank Sinatra on the walls etc.

Okay --- So the truck took a dump leaving Sunday afternoon up Hwy 101 -- so I made a hasty decision to stop at Santa Maria where there was a Ford dealership. Monday AM they replaced some "module" for $1100 and I was back running and gunning. It is an '06 with 82,000 miles of towing on the clock. There is 1900 HOURS on the motor - do the math - that's an AVERAGE of 43 MPH for the entire 1900 hours. Eventually something has to break. It didn't leave me F O R D on the road but I had NO power... even on the flat it was wheezing. We stopped Monday night in Willows and then made our way to Portland (home of SAR) where I dropped the car last night.

To those that have posted about debugging.....

Trust me when I tell you this ain't my first goat rodeo. Debugging is normal and acceptable... but it is NOT normal and or acceptable when the problems are caused by just plain old stupid. I know the difference. The stuff I'm really hacked off about is not "oops".... It's AMATEUR HOUR.

They WILL fix it - and there is no issue that way. This is a good top notch shop and I've never doubted that it will be made to be PERFECT.

The car at the show (a real average bunch of cars in my opinion but a GREAT TOWN)... was built by The Roadster Shop.... and it deserved the Best of Show trophy... and it also kicked our butts in the roadster class. My hat is off to Phil et al.

[kennyd]

the only question i have is , you spent all this money and time building a great looking car . 200 hrs or more in the frame work , 100 hrs in the chin spoiler , 300 hrs in the special cast ends and gadgets ,150 hrs in the paint on the chassis , 3500 in wheels ,200 hrs in the exhaust ........... and you did not polish the f*$cin heads ? WTF ? lol

[GregWeld]

the only question i have is , you spent all this money and time building a great looking car . 200 hrs or more in the frame work , 100 hrs in the chin spoiler , 300 hrs in the special cast ends and gadgets ,150 hrs in the paint on the chassis , 3500 in wheels ,200 hrs in the exhaust ........... and you did not polish the f*$cin heads ? WTF ? lol


Kenny -- Even the best of us can f**** up once in awhile. The heads will be painted.

SAR had them all taped up when they were to paint the motor and I yelled at them to NOT paint my aluminum heads.... but of course -- on THIS item they were right on and I'm the idiot.

BTW -- you're hourly estimates are WAY WAY LOW.

[GregWeld]

Okay --- Here's a couple more photos now that I had a few minutes "alone with the car"...:rofl:



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC_7952.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC_7961.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC_7960.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC_7964.jpg



The "idea" behind all the art deco touches to start with...



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_0468.jpg

[GregWeld]

Greg,

That is absolutely stunning buddy! Very well thought out and executed. Now drive it like you stole it! :thumbsup:


Did!
:woot:

The quick change will be "quickly changed" (by reversing the gear order top to bottom) from the 3:90 to the 4:30 ratio... :unibrow:

[ccracin]

Did!
:woot:

The quick change will be "quickly changed" (by reversing the gear order top to bottom) from the 3:90 to the 4:30 ratio... :unibrow:

Sweet, now bring that thing to Columbus. I want to see if I can get my big a.... in it. Rog and I look eye to eye LOL:thumbsup:

At least bring yourself, it's a great time.

[waynieZ]

It looks great Greg. I see that Nomad in the background too. Both are Sweet!

[GregWeld]

the only question i have is , you spent all this money and time building a great looking car . 200 hrs or more in the frame work , 100 hrs in the chin spoiler , 300 hrs in the special cast ends and gadgets ,150 hrs in the paint on the chassis , 3500 in wheels ,200 hrs in the exhaust ........... and you did not polish the f*$cin heads ? WTF ? lol



I've never even looked at the billings --- but a quick look and there's 1500 hours "so far".

[Musclerodz]

I've never even looked at the billings --- but a quick look and there's 1500 hours "so far".

damn, can I build your next roadster? :D

[GregWeld]

damn, can I build your next roadster? :D



Well.... can you do 'tweaks'? And can you do a few 're-dos'? Cause this wasn't even a full build --- it was just a light remodeling.:wow:

[Matt@BOS]

Turned out amazing Greg!

Are we going to get to see this (and you I suppose) in Pleasanton?

Matt

[GregWeld]

You'd be seeing it if the builder -- AKA S.A.R or Steve's Auto Restoration -- can get their act together and get the long list of "fix it's" done. When I told them I was signed up for that show and asked for it to be done in time -- Steve just shrugged his shoulders and said "it'll be done when it's done".... so at this point.... I'm thinking that means a miracle would be required. They have paint work to do... wiring issues to sort... gear grease to remove.... exhaust work... :faint: :wow:

[qbrown]

You'd be seeing it if the builder -- AKA S.A.R or Steve's Auto Restoration -- can get their act together and get the long list of "fix it's" done. When I told them I was signed up for that show and asked for it to be done in time -- Steve just shrugged his shoulders and said "it'll be done when it's done".... so at this point.... I'm thinking that means a miracle would be required. They have paint work to do... wiring issues to sort... gear grease to remove.... exhaust work... :faint: :wow:

Do you think you're having all of these "fix it" issues because they were scrambling to get the car done for the show this past weekend or do you think it is because SAR is used to building show cars and not cars that actually see some driving. I'm just curious as to why a high end builder would let so many things slip by. Car looks great by the way. Also, I just saw that you were located in Bellevue, WA. I was just in Seattle Monday and Tuesday.

[HRBS]

and you did not polish the f*$cin heads ? WTF ? lol


I too blasted him for that Kenny ! :lol:

[rwhite692]

Looks good GW

[Jims78elky]

Greg,

The 32 looks amazing! Sorry if she gave you a little trouble out there the first run, I think we all have been there with a fresh project out on the 101 freeway,oh the memories..**cue carpenters we only just begun music** The traffic wizzin buy at 80mph,the wife (in the pass seat) bitching about the sky and her hair being windblown,my heart in my chest in fear of being rear ended or worse,and all trying to lay upside down under my dash looking for a blown fuel pump relay fuse with no friggin working flashlight...yep..been right there my friend :faint: lol.

But all kidding aside the 32 looks incredible and I bet she is a hoot to drive! thanks for all the great pictures so far,get those little bugs out,summer is just started!

Oh..I think this would be another nice touch to your 32 engine bay....the one on the left actually.

:unibrow:

http://www.billetspecialties.com/assets/500/0000000191-prod.jpg

[GregWeld]

A few emails back and forth today --- the good news... GREAT NEWS actually is that S.A.R. will do whatever it takes to get the '32 done and ready for me to haul to Pleasanton on June 2nd.... SO I WILL BE THERE.

I said they were a good shop.

Sometimes if I see a spider web... and in order to knock it down... I drive a semi through it. :D And I never take a breath!

[GregWeld]

I too blasted him for that Kenny ! :lol:

Yeah yeah yeah -- yak yak yak.... Eventually I do as I'm told.
:D

[tones2SS]

Very cool that SAR will get the issues squared away and that you will have the car for the show.
ENJOY!! Car looks great Greg.:cheers: :cheers:

[DOOM]

A VERY smart move on SAR's part.....

[GregWeld]

Mario -- Note the deleted posts from me. I think we're going steady again.

Listen - everyone in the industry knows this is a top notch shop. I know that or it wouldn't have gone there in the first place. Sometimes "stuff" happens... sometimes you cause the "stuff" to happen. It's how you deal with the "stuff" that happens that's MOST important to me.

I reamed a couple new ones yesterday -- I didn't like the response... so my reamer gets larger... and it starts looking for new holes to ream.... but in the end... the situation has been diffused (and I know a thing or two about fuses and blowing stuff up) the correct way.

YOU and I are on the same page... I'm the easiest customer in the whole wide world...give me the best money can buy... on time... right... and if you have a kool idea talk to me... and let's do it! I do this stuff most every day -- I KNOW what it takes. Nobody needs to explain it to me... I've been there done that -- and in some cases more than the guy doing it. So hours are hours and if you want the best of the best - then that takes TIME. I get it. But with that attitude there comes a price... it better be right on the money honey. If I wanted it F'd up - I'd do that myself! :_paranoid Trust me... I've done more of that - than I've done things right. I also get that part of a build. No biggie.

I can tell you that the car has a quality that you don't get in the average build of a '32. I'm not saying that because it's mine. I've seen lots and lots of these cars and there are quality cars that just exude a certain "look and feel". This has a quality look that even if you don't like the styling - you'll still agree that it's top notch shizell...that's what you get out of a Foose... Ring Brothers... Bobby Alloway... S.A.R... Roadster Shop... Brizio. The home guys just can't quite get that 'look' -- and I don't even know what that is but you know it when you see it. I only wish I could build 'em like that here in the shed... but a man has to know his limitations. :willy:

The 'issues' with this car are minor in nature -- but they "stack up" -- nothing major... nothing that isn't fixable in a very short order... but the shop has to be WILLING to go an extra mile in the end. And in the end S.A.R has stepped up to the plate. :cheers: :woot:

[waynieZ]

You tell um Clint! lol Glad its going to be ready for you for Pleasenton. I know you were counting on going.:thumbsup:

[camcojb]

Mario -- Note the deleted posts from me. I think we're going steady again.


glad things are back on track Greg. :cheers:

[Musclerodz]

Well.... can you do 'tweaks'? And can you do a few 're-dos'? Cause this wasn't even a full build --- it was just a light remodeling.:wow:

yep! I tweak and redo this 32 every month or two when the owner has a new whim. We have gone thru 3 intakes, 2 engines, 1 paint job, repaired a coca-cola trailer, etc all in the last year

glad they are taking care of you. I would have hoped they would knowing the high caliber cars that come out of there

[Flash68]

Sounds like whatever you did and said Greg... it worked. :cheers:

[GregWeld]

yep! I tweak and redo this 32 every month or two when the owner has a new whim. We have gone thru 3 intakes, 2 engines, 1 paint job, repaired a coca-cola trailer, etc all in the last year


I had to laugh at that comment... my Nomad has had two chassis... 4 or 5 motors... carbed - TB injected - and 8 stacks - and a couple trannys. Once I did all the A/C with polished SS hard lines (ask me how that worked out :lol: )...


glad they are taking care of you. I would have hoped they would knowing the high caliber cars that come out of there


In their defense... I forced them to let the car go before they had time to complete ANY shake down miles.... in my defense... The car was DUE May 1st for a planned trip on May 11th. If you (meaning ANYONE) work for me - regardless if it's a house remodel or a yard mowing job. A date is a date... and you'd better know that date is written and agreed upon for a reason. I do what I say I'm going to do... I expect the same in return. Super super simple.

I've built many many projects - 99% of them with my own hands... I've NEVER EVER had the issues this car had. EVER.

I did run out of gas once in the Nomad on the way to a GoodGuys show... after putting on the Imagine Injection 8 stack system. I had drained the tank and had added 5 gallons of fuel for tuning purposes. Got up early AM - washed the car - and proudly headed south... it burped and sputtered... and I'm running thru which wire that could be... and did I chafe one or burn something on the header etc... 'bout that time she just fell on her face. DOH! A tow truck is called... and after loading her up and strapping ourselves in the cab he says "so what happened?" As I'm explaining it - it dawns on me exactly what happened. I said - go down to the next exit and pull into that Chevron station. Filled up - backed the car off the rollback and hit the show. To this day - my "buddies" first question when we head out.... "YOU HAVE GAS"? I truly hate them...

[Blake Foster]

I had to laugh at that comment... my Nomad has had two chassis... 4 or 5 motors... carbed - TB injected - and 8 stacks - and a couple trannys. Once I did all the A/C with polished SS hard lines (ask me how that worked out :lol: )...



I did run out of gas once in the Nomad on the way to a GoodGuys show... after putting on the Imagine Injection 8 stack system. I had drained the tank and had added 5 gallons of fuel for tuning purposes. Got up early AM - washed the car - and proudly headed south... it burped and sputtered... and I'm running thru which wire that could be... and did I chafe one or burn something on the header etc... 'bout that time she just fell on her face. DOH! A tow truck is called... and after loading her up and strapping ourselves in the cab he says "so what happened?" As I'm explaining it - it dawns on me exactly what happened. I said - go down to the next exit and pull into that Chevron station. Filled up - backed the car off the rollback and hit the show. To this day - my "buddies" first question when we head out.... "YOU HAVE GAS"? I truly hate them...

Funny how we tend to jump to the worst conclusion all the time???
OH MAN the FN brand new fuel pump probably just calved!!!!
:lol:
woops

GOT GAS? hey that will fit on ur next license plate

[1965_SS]

So I ASSume that you're just not good with a keyboard Dave and that the "0" you put in the date was a typo.... 'cause you meant to say 2/12 or 2/13?

If it goes into April I'll be jumping someone's poo pile!

Just read this thread, awesome car:thumbsup:
I hope you didn't have to jump in someone's poo!!!!!:rofl:

[bentfab]

I had to laugh at that comment... my Nomad has had two chassis... 4 or 5 motors... carbed - TB injected - and 8 stacks - and a couple trannys. Once I did all the A/C with polished SS hard lines (ask me how that worked out :lol: )...





In their defense... I forced them to let the car go before they had time to complete ANY shake down miles.... in my defense... The car was DUE May 1st for a planned trip on May 11th. If you (meaning ANYONE) work for me - regardless if it's a house remodel or a yard mowing job. A date is a date... and you'd better know that date is written and agreed upon for a reason. I do what I say I'm going to do... I expect the same in return. Super super simple.

I've built many many projects - 99% of them with my own hands... I've NEVER EVER had the issues this car had. EVER.

I did run out of gas once in the Nomad on the way to a GoodGuys show... after putting on the Imagine Injection 8 stack system. I had drained the tank and had added 5 gallons of fuel for tuning purposes. Got up early AM - washed the car - and proudly headed south... it burped and sputtered... and I'm running thru which wire that could be... and did I chafe one or burn something on the header etc... 'bout that time she just fell on her face. DOH! A tow truck is called... and after loading her up and strapping ourselves in the cab he says "so what happened?" As I'm explaining it - it dawns on me exactly what happened. I said - go down to the next exit and pull into that Chevron station. Filled up - backed the car off the rollback and hit the show. To this day - my "buddies" first question when we head out.... "YOU HAVE GAS"? I truly hate them...

How did that work out ?:D

[GregWeld]

How did that work out ?:D

The headers didn't really care if they were Air Conditioned or not... Me? Not
so much... Seems that SS line got nice and frosty - problem is - it wasn't frosty by the time it got inside the compartment were I was.

Call it -- on the job training.

[GregWeld]

Just wanted to thank STEVE @ HRBS and KENNY DAVIS.... for costing me a few more grand....

The motor has been pulled out of the '32 - which means the radiator and grill shell and on and on had to come out... just so we could.....



HAVE THE F'N' HEADS PAINTED.... :willy: :wow: :rolleyes: :cheers: :woot:

[HRBS]

Just wanted to thank STEVE @ HRBS and KENNY DAVIS.... for costing me a few more grand....

The motor has been pulled out of the '32 - which means the radiator and grill shell and on and on had to come out... just so we could.....



HAVE THE F'N' HEADS PAINTED.... :willy: :wow: :rolleyes: :cheers: :woot:


Advise is free. What you do with it is your problem. :lol: :thumbsup: :lol:

[GregWeld]

I'll argue ad infinitum if I think I'm right.... (is it an 8 second car if it ran an 8.99? Remember that thread?) LOL

BUT -- I'll freely admit when I'm wrong and will take action if required to make it right. YOU guys were right. :D

[JKnight]

The painted heads should help to keep the attention on those awesome headers. I guess I don't mind them gray, but can see how it will make an improvement.

Jim had a good suggestion with the fuel pump block off plate. However, with the heads painted I'm starting wonder if it would stick out too much.

[awr68]

Painting the heads is the right choice. And it will help showcase the 8 stack! :thumbsup:

BTW, I'm still waiting for my ride........;)

[syborg tt]

Advise is free. What you do with it is your problem. :lol: :thumbsup: :lol:

HA !!

I've been down that road many times. This is just a new form of peir pressure.

Man in high school it was drinking and now on the BB forums it's you gotta do this if you do that.

Heck Steve I saw your washer and I said "W0W" I gotta get me some of them.

It's like a dangling carrrot - it's just to hard to say no.

[GregWeld]

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSCN8201.jpg




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSCN8205.jpg




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSCN8203.jpg

[HRBS]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Am I really going to be the first to comment on the phallic symbol ?

[GregWeld]

BTW, I'm still waiting for my ride........;)



That's MUTUAL dude!


:woot:

[GregWeld]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Am I really going to be the first to comment on the phallic symbol ?



It's a tribute to you and Kenny.

[syborg tt]

I can't believe all that hard work and it's still has chrome motor mounts

Really .....

You know they offer Titaniums ones

http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSCN8201.jpg

[GregWeld]

[QUOTE=syborg tt;349845]I can't believe all that hard work and it's still has chrome motor mounts

Really .....

You know they offer Titaniums ones

Got 'em on order.... :rofl:

That and the carbon fiber starter.

[96z28ss]

They didn't mess around. At 8:30am motor was still in car and had headers on it. what time did you get the pictures?

[GregWeld]

I got the photos around 12 ish -- and when Chuck called to ask about swapping out the Rattler balancer for the Fluid Damper version -- they had already painted it and were letting it cure...


Anyone know why they call a balancer "The Rattler"? :rofl: :woot:

[96z28ss]

you mean 12

[GregWeld]

you mean 12

RIGHT -- typo there. I fixededededed it.

[awr68]

Just wanted to thank STEVE @ HRBS and KENNY DAVIS.... for costing me a few more grand....
:willy: :wow: :rolleyes: :cheers: :woot:

Wow! That's quite a bit more than I would have expected it to cost! Especially since they did all but the re-assebly in under a day? :faint:

[GregWeld]

Wow! That's quite a bit more than I would have expected it to cost! Especially since they did all but the re-assebly in under a day? :faint:

It was a figure of speech.... I never ask what things cost... it's not important. "Important" to me is to get it right. Whatever it is, it is. You know as well as I,
having stuff done "pro built" ain't for the light of wallet, or faint of heart. :D :cheers:

[HWY Nova]

So, Greg........ Now that this project is virtually done (by painting the heads that should have been painted the first time around! [K.D.]), what is your "next" project?


--Eric

[Vegas69]

Advise is free. What you do with it is your problem. :lol: :thumbsup: :lol:

:rofl:

[tones2SS]

Just when I thought this mean machine was done,.........:_paranoid :faint:
Very cool Greg.:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

So, Greg........ Now that this project is virtually done (by painting the heads that should have been painted the first time around! [K.D.]), what is your "next" project?


--Eric


I have a '37 Ford - Minotti body 3 window coupe - and I already had the chassis custom built (a year or more ago) - LS6 (probably won't use it but buy a new LS3 or ? - will get 8 stack or blower... was going to be an automatic for cruising - has a Ford 9" on inboard mounted leaf springs and the chassis was C notched for low ride... It's going to be PPG Barcelona Blue (have posted a '32 that is the correct color)... and Recovery room interior... :woot:


Here's the butt ugly hump as it is - the way I bought it for a complete do over project. Some pretty ugly stuff comes out of BAKERSFIELD I can tell ya!



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/100_1760.jpg



Here's the color it will be painted.




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/IMG_0873.jpg




And here's an interior idea I've been slobbering over for a couple years.....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/medium_621667822_f7a950b735_o.jpg




And here's the chassis I had built for it.....




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/IMG_0773.jpg




And if you look closely - you can see the chassis as it is now.... :unibrow: :D



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Shop%20Pix/IMG_1292.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

Uh, Greg....I think you just hijacked your own thread! Oh, and thanks BTW. That car in that color's gonna be great, seriously!

I think you're gonna need a bigger garage tho...:hail:

[GregWeld]

Uh, Greg....I think you just hijacked your own thread! Oh, and thanks BTW. That car in that color's gonna be great, seriously!

I think you're gonna need a bigger garage tho...:hail:



Are you allowed to jack your own thread? I don't know... doesn't sound right though does it?!:lol:


Same thing Charley told me.... about the garage space.

[Ron in SoCal]

Are you allowed to jack your own thread? I don't know... doesn't sound right though does it?!:lol:

Same thing Charley told me.... about the garage space.

I think it's :lateral: rule book approved if your name's Greg or Charlie...:lol:

[70rs]

The floor space is fine, he just needs taller walls.......:D

Greg, you told me once but I don't remember who built that chassis?

[Jims78elky]

Anyone know why they call a balancer "The Rattler"? :rofl: :woot:

From there website Greg,

Rattler® are steel rollers that fit loosely into a specific number of holes. By using an exact mathematical relationship, the rollers will roll forward during compression strokes and roll backward during the power stroke to keep the engine speed variations and vibration, to a minimum.

The only time you may hear the Rattler® is when starting and stopping the engine. When you hear the slight "click" you know the Rattler® is ready to work. The slight noise could have been eliminated but TCI® decided to keep it as a distinguishing trademark.


I had one on my old 383 in the El Camino, I did notice that the engine ran smoother and had less vibration,there pricey but do what there supposed to I guess.

Love the new updates Greg, any other new goodies coming or changing?

:thumbsup:


-Jim

[waynieZ]

And if you look closely - you can see the chassis as it is now....




Whats that bench racin wheelstand style ?? lol

Greg how about a second floor with an elevator for the finnished projects for more room.

[GregWeld]

The floor space is fine, he just needs taller walls.......:D

Greg, you told me once but I don't remember who built that chassis?



Superior Glassworks - in Molalla, Oregon built the chassis. After looking and discussing this chassis with about a million people that build 'em - they all looked to be about the same... so decided to keep it local.

The '37 is all about loading up the trunk and going cruising... thus - just a simple leaf spring rear - power rack - manual Wilwood brakes... LS motor.
Super simple - super clean nice little crusin' machine. Did I mention the multi channel McIntosh Amp... it has to have killer crusin' tunes... and big A/C.

[GregWeld]

From there website Greg,

Rattler® are steel rollers that fit loosely into a specific number of holes. By using an exact mathematical relationship, the rollers will roll forward during compression strokes and roll backward during the power stroke to keep the engine speed variations and vibration, to a minimum.

The only time you may hear the Rattler® is when starting and stopping the engine. When you hear the slight "click" you know the Rattler® is ready to work. The slight noise could have been eliminated but TCI® decided to keep it as a distinguishing trademark.


I had one on my old 383 in the El Camino, I did notice that the engine ran smoother and had less vibration,there pricey but do what there supposed to I guess.

Love the new updates Greg, any other new goodies coming or changing?

:thumbsup:


-Jim


Of course I was kidding when I asked that rhetorical question... and of course the RATTLER is doing just exactly what they say and exactly as it should.... the problem is - this is a hot rod - not a race car... and with no hood sides etc... the "rattling" sounds like something is falling off the car. Quite embarrassing to say the least... So it's OUT, and a Fluid Damper is in.... I'll use the rattling POS on something more suitable. Maybe Todd will want it? :lol:

[ironworks]

[QUOTE=GregWeld;349937]I have a '37 Ford - Minotti body 3 window coupe - and I already had the chassis custom built (a year or more ago) - LS6 (probably won't use it but buy a new LS3 or ? - will get 8 stack or blower... was going to be an automatic for cruising - has a Ford 9" on inboard mounted leaf springs and the chassis was C notched for low ride... It's going to be PPG Barcelona Blue (have posted a '32 that is the correct color)... and Recovery room interior... :woot:


Here's the butt ugly hump as it is - the way I bought it for a complete do over project. Some pretty ugly stuff comes out of BAKERSFIELD I can tell ya!



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/100_1760.jpg



Just tell me your going to keep those graphics. May those are super HOTT.

That interior idea in that car would be awesome.

[GregWeld]

And if you look closely - you can see the chassis as it is now....




Whats that bench racin wheelstand style ?? lol

Greg how about a second floor with an elevator for the finnished projects for more room.


I'm waiting for the old DB next door to croak... then I'll buy his house and knock the POS down and build a set up like Charley has... one shed for clean and pretty and one shed for down and dirty.

Of course my wife might have a thing or two to say about that.... :woot:

[Jims78elky]

Of course I was kidding when I asked that rhetorical question... and of course the RATTLER is doing just exactly what they say and exactly as it should.... the problem is - this is a hot rod - not a race car... and with no hood sides etc... the "rattling" sounds like something is falling off the car. Quite embarrassing to say the least... So it's OUT, and a Fluid Damper is in.... I'll use the rattling POS on something more suitable. Maybe Todd will want it? :lol:

LOL..:rofl:

I figured you were playing around with that rattler question, I thought to myself why would Greg ask that kind of question when he has worked and had more bitchin cars than I'll ever get to see,it must be the altitude here where I live lol.

Glad to see the new changes!

:bow:

[GregWeld]

[QUOTE=GregWeld;349937]
Here's the butt ugly hump as it is - the way I bought it for a complete do over project. Some pretty ugly stuff comes out of BAKERSFIELD I can tell ya!



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/100_1760.jpg



Just tell me your going to keep those graphics. Man those are super HOTT.


The 1970's graphics are the only reason I bought the POS... Sure wish they'd have incorporated some lace painting in there though... would have been "far out" then....

[GregWeld]

LOL..:rofl:

I figured you were playing around with that rattler question, I thought to myself why would Greg ask that kind of question when he has worked and had more bitchin cars than I'll ever get to see,it must be the altitude here where I live lol.

Glad to see the new changes!

:bow:


A good buzz on will do that some times.... :lol:


It's just one of those parts I always wanted.... Sometimes I mess up. Must be why I have a shop full of "used" stuff...

[waynieZ]

I'm waiting for the old DB next door to croak... then I'll buy his house and knock the POS down and build a set up like Charley has... one shed for clean and pretty and one shed for down and dirty.

Of course my wife might have a thing or two to say about that.... :woot:

Yes she will and I don't think another pool will work this time.lol Oh and let me know if you have a Yard (shed) sale to get rid of those used parts so I can fly out.

[96z28ss]

I'm waiting for the old DB next door to croak... then I'll buy his house and knock the POS down and build a set up like Charley has... one shed for clean and pretty and one shed for down and dirty.

Of course my wife might have a thing or two to say about that.... :woot:

I'd think the town would probably frown on you trying to do that.

[GregWeld]

Okay boys --- the heads are painted.... may the aluminum RIP..... :lol:



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC01015.jpg



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC01014.jpg

[ironworks]

AHHHHH. :D :D :D :D

Much better.

[GregWeld]

AHHHHH. :D :D :D :D

Much better.

I'll freely admit when I mess up.....:faint:

[GregWeld]

I'd think the town would probably frown on you trying to do that.



Would it help if I became Mayor?
:thumbsup:

[HRBS]

In all seriousness.... MUCH BETTER !

[GregWeld]

In all seriousness.... MUCH BETTER !

:bow: :bow: :bow: :captain: :woot:

[Blake Foster]

[



And here's an interior idea I've been slobbering over for a couple years.....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/medium_621667822_f7a950b735_o.jpg


Ok i am not a huge fan of the color.......... but that is a sick interior!!!

[Vegas69]

I would've polished em. :unibrow:

Rattler, I wouldn't run that cheap junk on my mill. ATI baby!

[GregWeld]

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And here's an interior idea I've been slobbering over for a couple years.....



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/37%20Minotti/medium_621667822_f7a950b735_o.jpg


Ok i am not a huge fan of the color.......... but that is a sick interior!!!



I'm not a fan of RED interiors -- but the little blue '32 I posted up has a great Red interior.... and I'm going with a waterfall console between the bucket seats... A really great red would look killer with the PPG Barcelona Blue...

The interior is a factory Ferrari job.

[tones2SS]

The heads look great. Much better.
That interior is sick.:yes:

[toddshotrods]

That looks great! :thumbsup: Time to get it ready for the trip to Columbus now... :D

[GregWeld]

That looks great! :thumbsup: Time to get it ready for the trip to Columbus now... :D




Basterd!

[youthpastor]

looks good Greg.....when do I get to see it???/

[GregWeld]

looks good Greg.....when do I get to see it???/

I'm picking it up from SAR June 2nd... drive straight to Pleasanton -- do that show them home. Keep your fingers crossed that it gets to actually come home this time!

[toddshotrods]

Basterd!

:rofl:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

I'm not a fan of RED interiors -- but the little blue '32 I posted up has a great Red interior.... and I'm going with a waterfall console between the bucket seats... A really great red would look killer with the PPG Barcelona Blue...

The interior is a factory Ferrari job.

This shot of the back seat area would look good in that 37,It can be built in:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

This shot of the back seat area would look good in that 37,It can be built in:thumbsup:



Thas what I'm talk'n' 'bout!


I just need to finish up the Camaro for my brother in law - the blown 383 goes on the dyno Saturday and I have just a little body and paint work left to do - kick it to the curb - and then let the welding begin!

[Blake Foster]

i agree a Aston Martin has a really nice rich dark brownie red that they put in the blue db9's

:thumbsup:

maybe ship it to aston to get the interior done.... what do you thisk Tracy??



lmao

[mexMan]

So to this moment you own or have owned:

A '69 Corvette,
a '69 Camaro,
a '56 Panel Bel Air,
a Ford '34,
a Ford '32...

+tweaks and mods (for each and everyone of them...)

am I missing anything?

Get a Ferrari, or a Veyron

[56pickup]

Greg,

Heads look great!

like the new project also! That interior is amazing looking! :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

So to this moment you own or have owned:

A '69 Corvette,
a '69 Camaro,
a '56 Panel Bel Air,
a Ford '34,
a Ford '32...

+tweaks and mods (for each and everyone of them...)

am I missing anything?

Get a Ferrari, or a Veyron


Dude....:lol: It would take a friggin book or a roll of toilet paper and a fine pen to make that list...

Try serveral 66/67/70 Vettes coupes and convertibles, several 69 Camaros coupes and convertibles, several tri fives, several Mopars, a couple 50's Ford picks em ups... Then you can start with the 70 Chevelles... Vegas... Mercs... Healys... MG's... Then we can list the drag cars, and a couple El Caminos...and if I had more of a brain I could think of a few more. Been a gearhead all my life and that's some 42 years of buying and selling and fixing and racing and taken 'em apart and puttin' 'em together again. Many of them I look back at now and think "WTF" but at the time that was the style - and the wheels etc.


I've never had a '34 Ford... or anything with a Hemi except the POS SRT8 I bought (and sold just as quickly)...

[GregWeld]

What I have right now is the '32 the '37 and my Nomad... two done one to go.

I'm not a collector... so after awhile - they end up going down the road. I've had the Nomad for 12+ years...

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Heads look great!

like the new project also! That interior is amazing looking! :thumbsup:


Thanks Tyler!

The '37 would have been done already if I hadn't stumbled into buying the '32 on a whim... and then decided to tear into my sisters POS... it needed some MAJOR help - so slicking his/her firewall and inner fenders... new TCI subframe... new motor (a bunch of my old parts like a 383 I had block and crank and some Canfield 220 aluminum heads - and other misc crap). And a complete new Hiway 22 wire system. So the '37 will just have to wait for this summer to be done (I don't work on this stuff in the summer).

[61ragtop]

Hey Greg what windshield frame is that?

[GregWeld]

Hey Greg what windshield frame is that?

On the '32?? It's a complete custom fab frame. Was originally built by S.A.R back in '94... and then they cut and re-shaped it this time around and added the castings to the outside edges to cover up the rectangle shape frame of the original. Kind of tried to "soften" it a bit.

[GregWeld]

Five bucks says Greg cancels the trip when he sees it tomorrow and has them tear it down for another "few" mods! :rofl:

I owe you a fiver....:unibrow: :_paranoid :yes:

[GregWeld]

Just realized that I didn't post up any pics of the new dash or the console now that it's done... changed the wheel to the banjo style and had it wrapped to match, ditched all the knobs and resized the column drop, changed the carpet and added the antique heater.



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC_7958.jpg




BEFORE: YUCK!




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[RECOVERY ROOM]

i agree a Aston Martin has a really nice rich dark brownie red that they put in the blue db9's

:thumbsup:

maybe ship it to aston to get the interior done.... what do you thisk Tracy??



lmao

I'd like to see the bill on that..LOL.

[GregWeld]

Nebraska is as far as it NEEDS to go... any further is a complete waste.


:hail: :hail:

[Blake Foster]

Nebraska is as far as it NEEDS to go... any further is a complete waste.


:hail: :hail:

i would agree. that is where my next one is going

[syborg tt]

Just Curious why you didn't smooth the heads & the block before you painted them ?? :rofl: :rofl:

Okay boys --- the heads are painted.... may the aluminum RIP..... :lol:



http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC01015.jpg



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[syborg tt]

I am in love with the consule


Just realized that I didn't post up any pics of the new dash or the console now that it's done... changed the wheel to the banjo style and had it wrapped to match, ditched all the knobs and resized the column drop, changed the carpet and added the antique heater.


http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/DSC_7958.jpg

[OLDFLM]

Greg,

I'm REALLY surprised you didn't do the art deco design on the column drop! :wow:

I'm PM you my address so you can send the $5! :lol:

[GregWeld]

Just Curious why you didn't smooth the heads & the block before you painted them ?? :rofl: :rofl:


Marty..... How many fingers am I holding up??



:woot:

[GregWeld]

Greg,

I'm REALLY surprised you didn't do the art deco design on the column drop! :wow:

I'm PM you my address so you can send the $5! :lol:




Oh sure.... yeah... and I'll send you one of those cast emblems so you can plug a particular round hole with it.



:woot:

[Blake Foster]

Marty..... How many fingers am I holding up??



:woot:

Hey Marty........... Greg is still NEW to this!!! :rofl: :rofl:

from here it looks like ONE

[GregWeld]

Just Curious why you didn't smooth the heads & the block before you painted them ?? :rofl: :rofl:



I should have.... the car deserves it. :rofl: :rofl: :woot:

[GregWeld]

Here ya go.... call it "the flipper" --- those nice half shafts flipping round and round.



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[fleetus macmullitz]

Yeah, she's a sweet ride.

:D

[Vegas69]

The gas is the pedal on the right...

[camcojb]

The gas is the pedal on the right...
:lol: Will say it looks like it rides nice, especially for a 32. :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Sounds good too. Nice!

[GregWeld]

The gas is the pedal on the right...

:lol: I know - but this was maiden voyage - still in tuning mode... so was just driving to hold a certain load while the EFI dialed in.

By the time I sorted enough issues in Santa Barbara - she did see 6000 on the tach... and it gets there REAL quickly!

I had SAR switch the quick change from the 3:90's over to the 4:30's...

[GregWeld]

:lol: Will say it looks like it rides nice, especially for a 32. :thumbsup:

Jody -- I don't have lots of seat time in '32's but the couple I've ridden in would make me NOT really want one... This IRS / IFS car however is a completely different experience and I like it!

[tones2SS]

Good call on the dash console Greg. That is a HUGE improvement. Looking good bud!

[GregWeld]

Well.... :rolleyes: I picked up the '32 from Steve's Auto Restoration yesterday... it's been there for a LONG honey do list of screw ups after returning from Santa Barbara (it's maiden voyage - although that trip should be thought of as a honeymoon night with your virgin that turned out to be a worn out whore - scabs and all).

There was some issues with the parking brake that cropped up when I drove it a mile or so just to check out that everything was now "okay"... They attempted to fix it while I was there - and of course my issue with trying a quick fix - after months and HUGE money to remodel a car - is that this is more than ridiculous. Particularly since they knew it was an issue! It's not something that just showed up - and in fact - this issue is NEW since returning from Santa Barbara where it WAS NOT an issue.... but showed up with their test drives and subsequent re-work on the car. So to me - it should have been worked on and test driven BEFORE I got there to pick it up! If it wasn't ready - they should have called and said so... as I'd have been even more pissed if it showed up while I was down in Pleasanton - and had to spend another weekend working on my high dollar (not highboy) car in the parking lot!

The hydraulic throw out bearing is squealing like a pig.... not sure how anyone can mess up this simple system - but they managed to do it. I've done about 5 of these now (it's like owning a pick up - all your friends call... I have a lift and a air driven tranny jack.... so guess what... LOL) and not one has been an issue. There's a clearance to be checked and a minor amount of plumbing. Big whoop.... as in - super easy to do.

They did manage to fix the other issues - and they got the StarDrive installed (it had been removed in favor of a key for Santa Barbara trip).... it's "okay" -- and might be perfect - but all the instructions/paperwork/dyno sheets etc weren't in the trunk as I expected it to be - so I can't read the instructions to see if I'm doing something wrong. They'll send all that stuff as asked - but my point is that this is just one more little "detail" that is another epic fail on a long list of epic fails.

The car drives fantastically -- can't tell you how happy I am with the level of fit and finish - but as I just told the foreman (Chuck) it's like a great looking chick but you have to strap a 2X4 to your azz to keep from falling in... I don't care after that what she looks like - we're DONE!

Chuck just called - and, of course, they want it back to do whatever is required.... my response was hell no! It's been there for months - it's been returned for rework - and you still can't get it right?! So I'll fix it myself. I'll have it done in one day - and it will be right on the money. They can shape sheet metal and make fancy doodads.... but mechanically the shop is in the epic fail category.

They should be seriously embarrassed... and this kind of work.. coupled with the high prices... just might explain their having to layoff most of their employees. When you go from 20 down to 5 or 6 -- someone ought to be looking around and asking what's wrong... and if they're delivering cars like this - it explains everything. Building show cars is one thing - building cars that actually run and drive and work... well -- that takes a LOT more talent and actual project management.

Most of you already know - this was a no budget - cost no object - build. This was not the typical "how much can you do for "X".... I just want to make that clear to anyone reading this post down the road... this is not bragging - it's just a simple fact. When a shop gets that kind of customer -- they should kiss the sky. Well... they can kiss my azz now. :D

[camcojb]

Well.... :rolleyes: I picked up the '32 from Steve's Auto Restoration yesterday... it's been there for a LONG honey do list of screw ups after returning from Santa Barbara (it's maiden voyage - although that trip should be thought of as a honeymoon night with your virgin that turned out to be a worn out whore - scabs and all).

There was some issues with the parking brake that cropped up when I drove it a mile or so just to check out that everything was now "okay"... They attempted to fix it while I was there - and of course my issue with trying a quick fix - after months and HUGE money to remodel a car - is that this is more than ridiculous. Particularly since they knew it was an issue! It's not something that just showed up - and in fact - this issue is NEW since returning from Santa Barbara where it WAS NOT an issue.... but showed up with their test drives and subsequent re-work on the car. So to me - it should have been worked on and test driven BEFORE I got there to pick it up! If it wasn't ready - they should have called and said so... as I'd have been even more pissed if it showed up while I was down in Pleasanton - and had to spend another weekend working on my high dollar (not highboy) car in the parking lot!

The hydraulic throw out bearing is squealing like a pig.... not sure how anyone can mess up this simple system - but they managed to do it. I've done about 5 of these now (it's like owning a pick up - all your friends call... I have a lift and a air driven tranny jack.... so guess what... LOL) and not one has been an issue. There's a clearance to be checked and a minor amount of plumbing. Big whoop.... as in - super easy to do.

They did manage to fix the other issues - and they got the StarDrive installed (it had been removed in favor of a key for Santa Barbara trip).... it's "okay" -- and might be perfect - but all the instructions/paperwork/dyno sheets etc weren't in the trunk as I expected it to be - so I can't read the instructions to see if I'm doing something wrong. They'll send all that stuff as asked - but my point is that this is just one more little "detail" that is another epic fail on a long list of epic fails.

The car drives fantastically -- can't tell you how happy I am with the level of fit and finish - but as I just told the foreman (Chuck) it's like a great looking chick but you have to strap a 2X4 to your azz to keep from falling in... I don't care after that what she looks like - we're DONE!

Chuck just called - and, of course, they want it back to do whatever is required.... my response was hell no! It's been there for months - it's been returned for rework - and you still can't get it right?! So I'll fix it myself. I'll have it done in one day - and it will be right on the money. They can shape sheet metal and make fancy doodads.... but mechanically the shop is in the epic fail category.

They should be seriously embarrassed... and this kind of work.. coupled with the high prices... just might explain their having to layoff most of their employees. When you go from 20 down to 5 or 6 -- someone ought to be looking around and asking what's wrong... and if they're delivering cars like this - it explains everything. Building show cars is one thing - building cars that actually run and drive and work... well -- that takes a LOT more talent and actual project management.

Most of you already know - this was a no budget - cost no object - build. This was not the typical "how much can you do for "X".... I just want to make that clear to anyone reading this post down the road... this is not bragging - it's just a simple fact. When a shop gets that kind of customer -- they should kiss the sky. Well... they can kiss my azz now. :D
sorry man. This is exactly why I've learned over the years to do virtually all the stages of a car build from wiring, engine building, tuning, fab, assembly, and paint and body. Well that and I cannot afford what you can.............. :lol:

You are correct, for the money charged the car should have been perfect the first time, and absolutely embarrassing that it wasn't the second time........ :mad:

[Vegas69]

I realize you are pissed but you took it to a place that specializes in show cars. That's my understanding from your posts. Great craftsman aren't always great mechanics and it goes both ways. I don't think many shops exist that can do both WELL. I actually enjoy the fine tuning and honing in a car. That is one of your strong suits. It sucks that you paid someone already, but I gurantee it will feel great to dial in that clutch and parking brake and go for a ride. :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Sorry to hear that Greg. I hope you get it straightened out soon and nothing else pops up later.

[kennyd]

im just glad to see the heads got painted !

[camcojb]

im just glad to see the heads got painted !
:lol:

[Musclerodz]

Finsihing and debugging is everything to me. I am not driving my convertible right now due to some minor issues I have not had time to check out and driving me crazy since we are in prime show season. It can take weeks to get one right, but your caveman highboy should have been simple and straight foward. Sucks to here that Greg, but I am sure you have already got it figured out. .

[GregWeld]

sorry man. This is exactly why I've learned over the years to do virtually all the stages of a car build from wiring, engine building, tuning, fab, assembly, and paint and body. Well that and I cannot afford what you can.............. :lol:

You are correct, for the money charged the car should have been perfect the first time, and absolutely embarrassing that it wasn't the second time........ :mad:

I'm more embarrassed than they are that I got taken to the cleaners.....


It's also the reason I have a fabulous shed right in my own back yard... after having repeated failures of shops doing minor work in the past... I, like you, can do all of this stuff 30' from my own back door. I choose this shop because they built the car originally.... and like a Boyd Coddington car etc... there is supposed to be some panache that separates a home built car from a pro build... Add to this that I had promised my BIL to do his car over and have it done for this season.... so wouldn't have time to do this one. I would have just fixed some of the issues it had but would never have done all that I had done. I would have just made it a nice little hot rod and had some fun with it. Now I'm going to change the license plate to something more appropriate -- like "SLUT" -- or "HASBEEN" --- or "A MESS"....

Or........ drum roll............ AMATEUR HOUR :woot:



TODD ----


I will fixeedededeededd it properly and in fine fashion. It'll take me half a day to straighten out what the "pros" couldn't.

Nothing an amateur mec-a-neck can't fix with a couple of open end wrenches and a screwdriver. It ain't rocket science.

[GregWeld]

Finsihing and debugging is everything to me. I am not driving my convertible right now due to some minor issues I have not had time to check out and driving me crazy since we are in prime show season. It can take weeks to get one right, but your caveman highboy should have been simple and straight foward. Sucks to here that Greg, but I am sure you have already got it figured out. .

MIKE ---

YOUR point is the one I've made repeatedly to STEVE.... "DUDE!" this is the simplest f'n car in the whole wide world to build! It has no power steering - no power brakes - it's a stick - it has no A/C - it has no windows - it has no top! - it has a motor - a body - minimal wiring - one electric fan - a radiator. So I ask you.... (rhetorical question).... can't a shop like this build a BASIC car? I know I can! My Nomad has every conceivable electrical device on the planet (thanks AL). It has A/C = big azz multi amp multi speaker stereo - remote door looks - power everything - automatic overdrive tranny... Trick chassis... I'd drive it ANYWHERE and HAVE for like YEARS....



I actually hesitated to post up my 'issues' -- because I don't want to cast a pall on the other very fine - very talented professional shops on here... well... that... and the fact that it's just plain embarrassing for me personally. But I also think that these things should be aired out so that others might avoid the same problems. And maybe others will raise their game and thereby avoiding not have this light shined their way...

DETAILS -- DETAILS -- DETAILS.... in the end -- all the fancy paint and chrome and doodads don't mean sh*t when you fail the details because that is what will be remembered the most.

If a shop sells something - takes the money - then they've got to ship on time when they say they will..... BTW -- I recently bought some stuff from YOU and it arrived SUPER FAST -- was the right stuff - and I can't thank you enough for that! We all witnessed what happens when you don't. It's sad - but it's the RIGHT THING to do. Ditto if a shop - any shop - can't perform... and puts out a shoddy product or does poor work.

If a shop wants to make it in this industry - and they want to charge top dollar - and they want a reputation.... well then... they have to deliver or suffer the inevitable fate. The death of a 1000 cuts. Dude... my knife is open and I know how to use it. :rofl:

[GregWeld]

Let's add to the list ---

The trunk lid won't stay closed....

They put residual valves in a car with the master cylinder that is UP under the dash.... no need for residual valves dude <spicolli style>.... it's the 21st century -- try reading up on some of this stuff.... DOH!

They don't "hurt" anything - but why bother with all the plumbing and the added fittings and time etc....

[jy211]

Let's add to the list ---

They don't "hurt" anything - but why bother with all the plumbing and the added fittings and time etc....

to add to the bill :D

[syborg tt]

to add to the bill :D

Dang "DUDE" you beat me to the punch line.

[toddshotrods]

Damn, when I read your first post (today) I was really hoping that you took the car - glad to see you did. No sense in prolonging the agony. Looking forward to hearing your reports on the car, after you get everything sorted out. Still a super sweet ride... :thumbsup:

[pokey64]

that trip should be thought of as a honeymoon night with your virgin that turned out to be a worn out whore - scabs and all).

Now I'm going to change the license plate to something more appropriate -- like "SLUT" -- or "HASBEEN" --- or "A MESS".... Or........ drum roll............ AMATEUR HOUR :woot:



I'll give you $5 if you put "SCABS" on the plate. :_paranoid

All kidding a side, this is an absolutely sh!tty thing! I think this type of thing happens way too often in the industry. (A version of it has happend to us) I know you can handle these repairs/fine tuning but had you been an average schmoe...

[GregWeld]

I'll give you $5 if you put "SCABS" on the plate. :_paranoid

All kidding a side, this is an absolutely sh!tty thing! I think this type of thing happens way too often in the industry. (A version of it has happend to us) I know you can handle these repairs/fine tuning but had you been an average schmoe...


Poke! Perfect plate buddy! Oh gawd -- I almost peed myself laughing at that!

With me -- you know EXACTLY where I'm coming from -- I wear my heart on my sleave - and if you're on the wrong side - there's no question about where ya stand... I'm not saying anything here that I haven't said to their faces... and or emailed directly.

SCABS it is!


I totally agree that this seems to be the industry 'norm' -- and I also agree that a lot of the people (customers) have no clue how to fix this stuff - and or the time or the tools etc so they're completely at the mercy of the builder... Frankly - to me - they're not really "car guys" in the first place.... they're just buying themselves a trophy. Half those bozos can't even tell you anything about the car - except what shop built it... or they can spout "facts" - but ask a detail or about something similar or whatever and you draw a blank face. :lol:

I've been under the car a couple times this morning - which is when I noticed the 2lb residual valves -- and that just gave me a chuckle and a "oh well WTF".... but it is a tell tale for me. Clueless... and if you're clueless about systems that are actually quite important - then I start thinking "what else did you not do right"? Or "what else don't you know about"? DETAILS.

I will give credit where credit is due. The paint - chrome - fit and finish - details are 100% fantastic on this car. The welding - the styling clues - the "doodads"... 100% top notch can't get it any better perfect.

Too bad I'm embarrassed to drive the f'r down the road or take it to the drop in show at the local Harley shop tonight. My buddies would drop their jaws on the ground when they hear this thing grinding and whirling and screeching. To them - I could explain it all..... but to the 100 other hot rodders that heard it pull in -- all they're going to "see" is a giant bright red POS with some clueless bozo at the wheel. What I'd like to do is paint a sign on the door or trunk lid (that won't stay latched) is "Hidollar hiboy built by Steves Auto Restoration and "finished" just this week!

In fact that's a damn good idea -- I could leave it as is and hit every show with it just like that. Except I don't have the cojones to drive such a pile of crap, so I'll just have to get 'er done.

BTW -- The latest email from SAR is it's all those lousy f'n parts that are made these days.... nothing they can't fix! HA! Good luck with that.

[GregWeld]

im just glad to see the heads got painted !





JUST FOR YOU KENNY --- and STEVE (HRBS)





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[GregWeld]

AND THEN FOR OUR OTHER "STEVE" (S.A.R.)





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[GregWeld]

And after a 10 mile drive this morning........ YES! That's right --- 90W gear grease on a hot exhaust pipe... Don't cha just love it?! <said in the "Guy from Boston" style>




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[rwhite692]

Maybe switch to synth, might smoke less. :D

Sorry for all your troubles GW, just getting caught up on your thread.

[Tom.A]

Greg,

Sorry for the troubles you have had but thanks for posting because it let's others know they are not the only ones. I am always amazed how most shops always have the car back for "refreshing" which I believe to be code for nagging problems. Even here you will see shops with cars they built that are always in the shop background. I am pretty sure they are not there for storage ;) .

[fleetus macmullitz]

And after a 10 mile drive this morning........ YES! That's right --- 90W gear grease on a hot exhaust pipe... Don't cha just love it?! <said in the "Guy from Boston" style>




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/1932%20Ford/IMG_1012.jpg

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[Ricochet]

Greg - sucks to hear of all the continued troubles with the car. We all know bugs need to get worked out with new/refreshed (or in your case "Redueced") cars, but that is not the case hear. Hopefully this is the last of your troubles so you can enjoy it for the summer. BTW - the heads look better painted! I'm sure Kenny & Steve will agree! :rofl:

Skip - Lurch video...LMAO! Classic!!

[HRBS]

Those HEADS are the prettiest thing on that car...... and probably the cheapest "tweak" or "mod" on the whole invoice too !!!!
BooooooYaaaaaaa

[GregWeld]

Maybe switch to synth, might smoke less. :D

Sorry for all your troubles GW, just getting caught up on your thread.



Rob! Where the heck ya been buddy?


BTW -- If they'd have just paid attention to the details a LOT more, someone's pooper might smoke less... 'cause it's gotten another good reamin'....

[Vegas69]

That's what you get for putting your name on the tail pipe. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[GregWeld]

Those HEADS are the prettiest thing on that car...... and probably the cheapest "tweak" or "mod" on the whole invoice too !!!!
BooooooYaaaaaaa


Yes they are - and I truly THANK YOU for making the car look WAY WAY better.

Amazing what such a simple detail can do.


Since you're a pro shop -- and mention the invoice.... I never looked at ANY of the invoices until the end when things went so south. I really didn't care what they were doing or what was being billed... it looked good when I'd visit - it was making big headway to completion so I KNEW they were working on it - and "work" costs money and parts cost money.... no quibbles there. It wasn't until I found all these issues that I started to take notice.

[GregWeld]

That's what you get for putting your name on the tail pipe. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



Yep! Guess I asked for it didn't I.


In truth though -- that's an old racing trick... it's actually for weight balance.:unibrow:

[Lenie]

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Man, I can't believe you had the heads painted:faint: LOL
So what's wrong with just going out into the garage and sitting in your car and not driving it anywhere??? I do it all the time:D

Seriously, joking aside, money or no money my heart goes out to you Greg, don't mess w/a man's car!!!!!!!

Let me know when your ready to roll and we'll go take care of this http://youtu.be/V8lT1o0sDwI

[Jims78elky]

Wow...:wow: So sorry Greg, this has been a nightmare for you, I think your at a point where you need to take the whole car apart and go over it 100% yourself, you might not get this summer driving in,but you can fix what obviously is total novice work before you have new found heartache again!

With shops closing and good work being your reputation..its just plain ignorance and stupidity to not screw up,is it being lazy or not interested? Iam sorry for your troubles,but thank you for shedding the light on what a poor shop can do on a simple rebuild,can you imagine the poor other guys who's cars are there being ass raped and what they will be in for when there dream ride is finished!

Take care Greg...hang in there!...that rear oil shot out end picture made me loose my toast this morning!

:willy: :wow: :omg:

[GregWeld]

Wow...:wow: So sorry Greg, this has been a nightmare for you, I think your at a point where you need to take the whole car apart and go over it 100% yourself, you might not get this summer driving in,but you can fix what obviously is total novice work before you have new found heartache again!

With shops closing and good work being your reputation..its just plain ignorance and stupidity to not screw up,is it being lazy or not interested? Iam sorry for your troubles,but thank you for shedding the light on what a poor shop can do on a simple rebuild,can you imagine the poor other guys who's cars are there being ass raped and what they will be in for when there dream ride is finished!

Take care Greg...hang in there!...that rear oil shot out end picture made me loose my toast this morning!

:willy: :wow: :omg:


No need for disassembly! Remember that I give credit where credit is due... and the fit and finish and assembly it 100% top notch... I'm not complaining at all about that part of the build. I got what I paid for and more in that department.

My beef is with a shop that knows it has issues with a component they bought/sourced/installed/modified whatever.... gets more than a couple of times to resolve the issue... and can't perform.

When I picked up the car this time - I had the opportunity to take it out for a short drive. The very first thing I noticed was the noisy throw out bearing... it was a WTF! They put 40 or 50 miles on the car in the last couple of days and didn't address that? SO do they not know that throw out bearings don't squeal like pigs or do they not know how to fix it? Or did they cause the problem with a poor install and didn't want to expend the time and $$ to fix their FU? I don't know -- but what I do know is -- You don't get away with that with me and if you try to get away with that kind of crap - then in my best "The Donald" -- YOU'RE FIRED. :unibrow: It's a super simple world I roll in... I'm happy with paying for top quality work. I love it! But I won't tolerate stupid - I won't tolerate excuses - and I won't ever be back. :woot:

[GregWeld]

Man, I can't believe you had the heads painted:faint: LOL
So what's wrong with just going out into the garage and sitting in your car and not driving it anywhere??? I do it all the time:D

Seriously, joking aside, money or no money my heart goes out to you Greg, don't mess w/a man's car!!!!!!!


Not a thing wrong with going for a "joy ride"... But they get finished a whole lot quicker if ya stop drooling and start tooling... :willy: :lol:

No tears need to be shed for me... I'm a big boy... I can and will fix the couple stupid items and then the car will be OMG wonderful. My point of posting all of this up and air the laundry here is simply to share my disappointment coming down the final stretch.

Steve and Chuck have said to me - more than a couple of times - "geez we're really embarrassed and we're so sorry".... Ya know what? In my book there should be absolutely ZERO "I'm sorry" and or "I'm embarrassed" because you sure as hell weren't sorry or embarrassed when you billed me. And if you were so sorry and so embarrassed - then you sure should have done a better job THE SECOND TIME AROUND...

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[DOOM]

Well so much for what I tell my guys ''THEIRS ALWAYS TIME TO DO IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME!!'' I didn't think this was going to end well Greg..

[GregWeld]

Well so much for what I tell my guys ''THEIRS ALWAYS TIME TO DO IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME!!'' I didn't think this was going to end well Greg..

I'm "okay" with second time. Been doing this long enough to know that you can't foresee every issue - that parts go south right out of the box - that "shizzel happens". You get two chances.... you DO NOT GET THREE. :wow: :lol:

[elitecustombody]

Greg, I'm a little late to your party,sorry you have to go through this, but I'm sure if anyone can fix all the issues, it would be you.:woot:

[awr68]

Total bummer!
Get out to the shed and fix her up....then take your bride for a nice long drive in it....it will be all smiles after that..........:cheers:

I hope to see you in July....work might get in the way though. :(

[Big-Head]

JUST FOR YOU KENNY --- and STEVE (HRBS)





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Love this pic Greg.

[GregWeld]

Just an update 'cause I know you're all just dying to hear what's up with the car.

This morning I got up and decided to put the manometer on the stacks - since I know they worked hard on the idling. They were WAY out of whack... so I balanced those up and the motor smoothed out considerably. So that was a super easy fix - provided you actually own a manometer! :unibrow:

If you're playing with 8 stacks this is no less important than owing a timing light or a screwdriver.

Leaned out the idle AF ratio to 13:8 -- idle got crisper note and was steadier

I already reported that with ONE adjustment - the parking brake issue was resolved (so far). Prior to that adjustment - if you turned left - you'd swear you were driving with an exploded posi unit. Just terrible noises! So after studying the set up a bit - I made an adjustment - then went out and drove the car down a hill while using the handbrake a bit - on and off -- drag the car down and release gain some speed and hit it again. This is NOT an emergency brake -- but could be used as one. It's a simple parking brake but the little bitty pads are brand new and they needed to be bedded in and scrub off some of the nubs and newness.... after that they have not made a single peep. :woot:

Now -- let's have a simple class....

A PCV is what class?

That's right -- it's a controlled vacuum leak.

How many of you would "T" into a controlled vacuum leak to get vacuum for the MAP sensor or the Fuel Pressure Regulator?

GOOD CLASS! You're way ahead of these guys! 'Cause they T'd into the PCV line in order to pull vacuum on something that wants a solid steady signal!


Okay class now that you're on a roll --

If you wanted to get a car to idle down would you?

A) Advance the timing

B) Retard the timing


That's right... "B" you would RETARD the timing

If you retarded the timing - even just 2 degrees - would you then have to adjust the idle settings in order to achieve the desired idle RPMS?

YES! You're right again! Man you guys are good!

But here's the trick question....

If you mess with idle settings on EFI -- do you?

A) Reset the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) settings in the ECU

B) You have no clue so do nothing and expect the ECU to understand the
new voltage readings it's getting so it no longer knows it's at idle (closed throttle)

So it's the little DETAILS but you first have to have a CLUE and if you don't have a clue - pick up the phone and ask someone that does... but then that would be embarrassing to admit you're clueless so it's better to just screw it up and let the customer do it correctly. :woot:

[Lenie]

Greg, on a side note I gotta stop by and see this car sometime. I'm over at my son's quite a bit who lives in Kirland (really enjoy the eating establishments downtown) where I'm currently sending this message from in the wee hours of the morning. We'll have to hook up one day this summer for a bite. What a weekend here in the great state of Wa... Oh and I've actually been hitting the car pretty steady the last couple of weeks:yes:

[GregWeld]

Lenie -- You've got my cell number! Call me buddy and let's hook up!

My wife is in europe -- it's sunny -- I'm home -- and it's hot rod weather!


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[camcojb]

Greg, all the above simple tweaks you've listed just shows that although very talented as fabricators they know very little about the mechanical workings of a car. In other words they can make it real pretty, but it may not drive down the road very well.

The problems you described are things that an average gearhead knows (other than maybe the efi as many have never touched one) and surprisingly they did not. It's like they're real good at someone bringing them in a fully sorted car for new paint and some sheetmetal mods, but they wouldn't be able to build a car from scratch.

Glad you have things on the right track. The car is gonna be a ball to drive.

[GregWeld]

Greg, all the above simple tweaks you've listed just shows that although very talented as fabricators they know very little about the mechanical workings of a car. In other words they can make it real pretty, but it may not drive down the road very well.

The problems you described are things that an average gearhead knows (other than maybe the efi as many have never touched one) and surprisingly they did not. It's like they're real good at someone bringing them in a fully sorted car for new paint and some sheetmetal mods, but they wouldn't be able to build a car from scratch.

Glad you have things on the right track. The car is gonna be a ball to drive.


Jody ---

At this point -- and it's really just sorting through some little silly things -- I have to just chuckle to myself and shake my head. It's comical now... I'm over being disappointed.

I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. It's a show car shop. I've learned from this.

What gets me is that they repeatedly told me about all the high dollar returning customer cars they've built - as in - "this is the 5th car we've built for this customer". So either they HAD people in the past that knew how to finish a car and they're gone - or the customer NEVER drives them... and when I think about the cars this shop has built... I've never seen ANY of them on the road - and after the "show circuit" you don't see them in the magazines such as GG Gazette so that tells me they're just tucked away in someones collection.

It also shows me to choose better the next time. Next time I will choose a shop that not only builds the cars - but takes them out and beats on 'em just to prove they can move and groove.... Making events like Optima etc even more important in my book.

[camcojb]

Jody ---

At this point -- and it's really just sorting through some little silly things -- I have to just chuckle to myself and shake my head. It's comical now... I'm over being disappointed.

I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. It's a show car shop. I've learned from this.

What gets me is that they repeatedly told me about all the high dollar returning customer cars they've built - as in - "this is the 5th car we've built for this customer". So either they HAD people in the past that knew how to finish a car and they're gone - or the customer NEVER drives them... and when I think about the cars this shop has built... I've never seen ANY of them on the road - and after the "show circuit" you don't see them in the magazines such as GG Gazette so that tells me they're just tucked away in someones collection.

It also shows me to choose better the next time. Next time I will choose a shop that not only builds the cars - but takes them out and beats on 'em just to prove they can move and groove.... Making events like Optima etc even more important in my book.
I think you need to open a shop. One that's different from 99% out there. Does great work, on time, and with the knowledge about how to build these cars for more than just a car show; build them to be driven. :thumbsup:

[96z28ss]

It really sucks that after the second attemp that your still not happy with the way it turned out.
Not only Steve's, but any shop should be embarrased to have the car not right the second time. I wonder how many of his customers are on hot rod message forums?
You have the tools and the skills to fix the stuff. It won't take you long to get it done.
So when you bringing it down to Beaches Cruise night? After your done with the Camaro?

[GregWeld]

I think you need to open a shop. One that's different from 99% out there. Does great work, on time, and with the knowledge about how to build these cars for more than just a car show; build them to be driven. :thumbsup:




Thanks! But I don't need any income - and I sure as hell don't need a job!



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[camcojb]

Thanks! But I don't need any income - and I sure as hell don't need a job!



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yeah, but think of all the fun you'd have........... :lol:

[GregWeld]

yeah, but think of all the fun you'd have........... :lol:


I'd have the very finest tools in the shop money could buy.... and no customers. The first customer that was a butthead - I'd point to the door and tell them to get the f out of here....

I'm just not into dealing with bozos and wannabes.... and besides that.... work has a way of interfering with my social life.:willy: :D

Cars are only fun when you're doing it for your own personal satisfaction. Doing it for pay - no thanks... There's only like one Foose for every 100,000
"guys" out there trudging away.

[GregWeld]

BTW -- "something" in the drivetrain in the '32 just let go -- had to go get the trailer and winch it on... lucky I was on a buddies street about 10 blocks from the house here. So whatever the "noise" was -- it sounded like squealing throwout bearing - just might have been the precursor to something else. The rear end also has a lot of gear noise - and I've been thinking that it was the straight cut gears for the quickchange - but maybe it's something a bit more serious we shall see.
:rolleyes:

[camcojb]

BTW -- "something" in the drivetrain in the '32 just let go -- had to go get the trailer and winch it on... lucky I was on a buddies street about 10 blocks from the house here. So whatever the "noise" was -- it sounded like squealing throwout bearing - just might have been the precursor to something else. The rear end also has a lot of gear noise - and I've been thinking that it was the straight cut gears for the quickchange - but maybe it's something a bit more serious we shall see.
:rolleyes:
:( sorry man, keep us posted.

[96z28ss]

BTW -- "something" in the drivetrain in the '32 just let go -- had to go get the trailer and winch it on... lucky I was on a buddies street about 10 blocks from the house here. So whatever the "noise" was -- it sounded like squealing throwout bearing - just might have been the precursor to something else. The rear end also has a lot of gear noise - and I've been thinking that it was the straight cut gears for the quickchange - but maybe it's something a bit more serious we shall see.
:rolleyes:

Wow, this is turning into a nightmare.

[Flash68]

Greg, that really blows man.... better that happening up there than down here in Pleasanton I guess!

Hope it's not something TOO major.... :mad:

[62ChevyII]

Cars are only fun when you're doing it for your own personal satisfaction.

Can identify with that statement.

All the challenges have forced us to know a lot more about this car stuff than we would have. Plus we may be able to earn an on-line master's degree from just this thread!

[GregWeld]

Wow, this is turning into a nightmare.


Yeah --- I bought the nightmare on a whim at an auction... shoulda dumped it right when I figured out it was a POS...

I'll get squared away... It ain't the first car like this I've had go south... eventually you can turn them all around.

[GregWeld]

Can identify with that statement.

All the challenges have forced us to know a lot more about this car stuff than we would have. Plus we may be able to earn an on-line master's degree from just this thread!


Class dismissed!


:rofl: :rofl:

[GregWeld]

I decided, after the clutch or something in the drivetrain "let go" on Sunday morning -- that the car should just go back to them and let them fix it. Why should I pay top dollar and then do all the work - AND let them "off the hook" for their BS.... So the car was delivered by me this morning.

They were paid IN FULL when I picked it up... I since put a stop payment on the check - a pretty good one - and they'll get the dough when I think the car is ready to be "finalized". The longer it takes to finish the work - the longer it will be before they're paid. I think that is more than fair considering that all the other work was paid for WELL in advance - so they were working on a "credit balance" for the entire build except this last bit. No car - no pay.

Not sure what happened with the drivetrain -- I heard a loud "POP" -- and then nothing - no forward or backward movement - no grinding - no clanging - no dripping - no movement. Put it in gear - you can let out the clutch at idle and it will BARELY move forward on it's own. It's not making a single sound that would say "OH CRAP! SOMETHING JUST BROKE". Go figure. Not my job to figure it out is kinda what I'm thinking. The throwout bearing was squealing - so maybe it finally ate itself.

I asked them to take the stupid StarDrive out (this was my idea to put in) and replace it with a good old fashioned KEY. The StarDrive is more than useless.... anyone wants one - speak up and I'll send it to ya.:rolleyes:

Also - the exhaust continues to fall off it's perch - it's a real simple fix by extending the bushings it's riding on - so that's no biggie.... but the chrome continues to come off the drivers half shaft -- and the rear continues to puke grease...

Our beloved Mister Tim Bruning solved the issue we were having with the 8 stack not wanting to idle down - so kudos to him for that! The EZ EFI is all tuned in and works like a charm!

I am still in love with the level of fit and finish - it's just superb....

Funny though === Santa Barbara I got an "honorable mention" in what was about a 4 car field . Saturday I went to a small (208 cars) parking lot show (I hate them but my buddies all wanted to see the car)... and I got........ ZIP.... and trust me - the field was so average I walked the show in about half an hour... Nothing - nada - zip... so apparently there is something about the car that people don't like - or don't see - or maybe because it's just "another red '32". The few - VERY FEW - people that took time to look - went nuts over all the little stuff - but that was dang few people. I don't give two hoots about that -- it just struck me as odd. My buddy Bruce Leven (google his name and you'll see a stellar car guy with a long history of racing and car "stuff") LOVED it -- and given his collection of 30+ top notch cars - that was all I needed.

[jocko124]

I'm in Portland...what are you asking for the StarDrive Greg?

[96z28ss]

What is it about the star drive? Does it just not work like its supposed to?

[96z28ss]

I'm in Portland...what are you asking for the StarDrive Greg?

LOL, I bet if you ask the guy that is working on your car, to install it. He'll tell you he wants nothing to do with it!

[GregWeld]

Oh this is going to be "one of those cars"....

I've written that I stopped payment on the final check - and I TOLD the shop that immediately - and also said that when the issues were resolved I would release funds just as immediately. I have lots of problems - but one of them isn't paying. :woot:

So after a couple of emails -- my listing what I wanted REPAIRED - and what I wanted DONE (and willing to pay for - no issues there at all)... I took the car back to the shop as they agreed to repair the issues -- and frankly they should be happy to do more billable work as well... they knew at this time that the stop payment was in.

This morning I drop the car off -- the rear end turns out to be broken and I have cut and pasted the email -- edited, from Steve regarding the rear end.

QUOTE:

The reason your Roadster will not move is because the spline has twisted
and the shaft has snapped in the stub axle. That must have been one serious
burn out. Both stub axle assemblies will be sent back to Kugel, examined and
repaired and reassembled there and then returned to us. At this point that
failure appears to have had nothing to do with the throw out bearing.

END QUOTE:

There was NO BURNOUT.... that would have been much more fun I can assure you of that.

I have no issues with this -- my response is that if they think I broke the rear end - just get it fixed and I'll be happy to pay for that - that I didn't want that to hold up getting the car done.

MY RESPONSE via EMAIL

QUOTE:

If you think I broke the rear end - I will pay for any and all charges for it's repair.
I don't want that to hang up the repairs of the car.
The Throwout bearing is another matter. That's been wrong from the get go.


END QUOTE:


But here's the kicker....

He wants me to pay for 16K of the 19K final bill BEFORE he starts work -- or, in a threatening manner, he says they're not starting to work on the car.

Can I tell ya something? <my infamous line to Cris Gonzo>

The very last thing a business wants to do is to threaten me. As I explained it nicely in my response. If you'd like to start a pissing contest - let me know I'll forward the name of my attorney. As I also stated - I have other hot rods to drive - I have more money than god - and I am "willing". Well... that, and I'm pissed off, and stubborn too...

So here's my response - verbatim:


QUOTE:

Instead of trying threatening tactics with me. You're far far ahead just getting the work done and getting paid.
Sometimes you just have to park you're ego. I have other hot rods to drive and more money than god. The only guy that will win this battle us<SIC> me. I have time I have cash I am willing.

Just fix it - fix it RIGHT and wash your hands of it. You'll sleep better.

If the throw out bearing problem is discovered. I can wire 15k In the morning... It's up to you.

END QUOTE:

Then I added this in another email because it came to me that this is probably part of some of the issues the shop may be having... if they're having issues at all -- just sayin'...


QUOTE from another emailed response:

BTW - you're pissed off at the CUSTOMER for refusing to accept defective work. Maybe you should be pissed off at your shop that did the work?? I don't remember building the car. I did PAY someone to do that. So far it's been on two tow trucks and I've had to fix several different issues.

So kudos on your customer service. It explains why you're down to 5 or 6 guys.

END QUOTE:


Now == there is no denying that I'm a certified bungholio... but you also have to know me -- and know that when I'm saying many things on here as well as these kinds of emails -- that I have a HUGE smile on my face. Yes they have a name for guys like me - I'm the first one to tell you that I'm a big one (I don't have a big one but act like I am a big one!)... So I'm just trying to set the picture here.

Anyway -- we'll see what happens. Two guys with big egos fighting over their toys -- not a happy ending. Someone wins - someone looses. Either way I'm fine with jumping in. Some guys are just like that.

I pay faster than anyone on the planet - I make up my mind - I'm extremely "decisive" so I'm never the hang up.... but with that comes a price - that price is "you have to deliver". The product has to be as stated, or as agreed, if not, we have a problem. I'll kiss a guy in broad daylight and sing his praises publicly... or not. :D

So this could end with a whimper -- or it could end sometime about 2 years from now. It's up to them. They have the car... I have my check book. I'm still out cruising around.

BTW -- I never once mentioned anything about them reimbursing me for the tow truck or any parts or ANYTHING from the Santa Barbara trip - that ain't how I roll.... I just suck it up - and go on about my biz.... so I'm not that crappy customer. Dude! Nobody is easier to get along with than me. But ya gotta do it RIGHT and you gotta do what you say you're going to do - because that how I do my end of things. I expect the same in return.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[GregWeld]

I'm in Portland...what are you asking for the StarDrive Greg?

Jocko ---

You'll have to read my latest post -- I may or may not get the car back for awhile --- it seems to be temporarily being held hostage.... :rofl:

IF -- BIG IF -- I get a speedy resolution... the StarDrive is YOURS FREE. I even have the instructions.

[camcojb]

Oh this is going to be "one of those cars"....

I've written that I stopped payment on the final check - and I TOLD the shop that immediately - and also said that when the issues were resolved I would release funds just as immediately. I have lots of problems - but one of them isn't paying. :woot:

So after a couple of emails -- my listing what I wanted REPAIRED - and what I wanted DONE (and willing to pay for - no issues there at all)... I took the car back to the shop as they agreed to repair the issues -- and frankly they should be happy to do more billable work as well... they knew at this time that the stop payment was in.

This morning I drop the car off -- the rear end turns out to be broken and I have cut and pasted the email -- edited, from Steve regarding the rear end.

QUOTE:

The reason your Roadster will not move is because the spline has twisted
and the shaft has snapped in the stub axle. That must have been one serious
burn out. Both stub axle assemblies will be sent back to Kugel, examined and
repaired and reassembled there and then returned to us. At this point that
failure appears to have had nothing to do with the throw out bearing.

END QUOTE:

There was NO BURNOUT.... that would have been much more fun I can assure you of that.

I have no issues with this -- my response is that if they think I broke the rear end - just get it fixed and I'll be happy to pay for that - that I didn't want that to hold up getting the car done.

MY RESPONSE via EMAIL

QUOTE:

If you think I broke the rear end - I will pay for any and all charges for it's repair.
I don't want that to hang up the repairs of the car.
The Throwout bearing is another matter. That's been wrong from the get go.


END QUOTE:


But here's the kicker....

He wants me to pay for 16K of the 19K final bill BEFORE he starts work -- or, in a threatening manner, he says they're not starting to work on the car.

Can I tell ya something? <my infamous line to Cris Gonzo>

The very last thing a business wants to do is to threaten me. As I explained it nicely in my response. If you'd like to start a pissing contest - let me know I'll forward the name of my attorney. As I also stated - I have other hot rods to drive - I have more money than god - and I am "willing". Well... that, and I'm pissed off, and stubborn too...

So here's my response - verbatim:


QUOTE:

Instead of trying threatening tactics with me. You're far far ahead just getting the work done and getting paid.
Sometimes you just have to park you're ego. I have other hot rods to drive and more money than god. The only guy that will win this battle us<SIC> me. I have time I have cash I am willing.

Just fix it - fix it RIGHT and wash your hands of it. You'll sleep better.

If the throw out bearing problem is discovered. I can wire 15k In the morning... It's up to you.

END QUOTE:

Then I added this in another email because it came to me that this is probably part of some of the issues the shop may be having... if they're having issues at all -- just sayin'...


QUOTE from another emailed response:

BTW - you're pissed off at the CUSTOMER for refusing to accept defective work. Maybe you should be pissed off at your shop that did the work?? I don't remember building the car. I did PAY someone to do that. So far it's been on two tow trucks and I've had to fix several different issues.

So kudos on your customer service. It explains why you're down to 5 or 6 guys.

END QUOTE:


Now == there is no denying that I'm a certified bungholio... but you also have to know me -- and know that when I'm saying many things on here as well as these kinds of emails -- that I have a HUGE smile on my face. Yes they have a name for guys like me - I'm the first one to tell you that I'm a big one (I don't have a big one but act like I am a big one!)... So I'm just trying to set the picture here.

Anyway -- we'll see what happens. Two guys with big egos fighting over their toys -- not a happy ending. Someone wins - someone looses. Either way I'm fine with jumping in. Some guys are just like that.

I pay faster than anyone on the planet - I make up my mind - I'm extremely "decisive" so I'm never the hang up.... but with that comes a price - that price is "you have to deliver". The product has to be as stated, or as agreed, if not, we have a problem. I'll kiss a guy in broad daylight and sing his praises publicly... or not. :D

So this could end with a whimper -- or it could end sometime about 2 years from now. It's up to them. They have the car... I have my check book. I'm still out cruising around.

BTW -- I never once mentioned anything about them reimbursing me for the tow truck or any parts or ANYTHING from the Santa Barbara trip - that ain't how I roll.... I just suck it up - and go on about my biz.... so I'm not that crappy customer. Dude! Nobody is easier to get along with than me. But ya gotta do it RIGHT and you gotta do what you say you're going to do - because that how I do my end of things. I expect the same in return.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:lol : you're the man Greg! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Keep the money and pick up your car. Doubt they will give it up now...

[Spiffav8]

Oh this is going to be "one of those cars"....

I've written that I stopped payment on the final check - and I TOLD the shop that immediately - and also said that when the issues were resolved I would release funds just as immediately. I have lots of problems - but one of them isn't paying. :woot:

So after a couple of emails -- my listing what I wanted REPAIRED - and what I wanted DONE (and willing to pay for - no issues there at all)... I took the car back to the shop as they agreed to repair the issues -- and frankly they should be happy to do more billable work as well... they knew at this time that the stop payment was in.

This morning I drop the car off -- the rear end turns out to be broken and I have cut and pasted the email -- edited, from Steve regarding the rear end.

QUOTE:

The reason your Roadster will not move is because the spline has twisted
and the shaft has snapped in the stub axle. That must have been one serious
burn out. Both stub axle assemblies will be sent back to Kugel, examined and
repaired and reassembled there and then returned to us. At this point that
failure appears to have had nothing to do with the throw out bearing.

END QUOTE:

There was NO BURNOUT.... that would have been much more fun I can assure you of that.

I have no issues with this -- my response is that if they think I broke the rear end - just get it fixed and I'll be happy to pay for that - that I didn't want that to hold up getting the car done.

MY RESPONSE via EMAIL

QUOTE:

If you think I broke the rear end - I will pay for any and all charges for it's repair.
I don't want that to hang up the repairs of the car.
The Throwout bearing is another matter. That's been wrong from the get go.


END QUOTE:


But here's the kicker....

He wants me to pay for 16K of the 19K final bill BEFORE he starts work -- or, in a threatening manner, he says they're not starting to work on the car.

Can I tell ya something? <my infamous line to Cris Gonzo>

The very last thing a business wants to do is to threaten me. As I explained it nicely in my response. If you'd like to start a pissing contest - let me know I'll forward the name of my attorney. As I also stated - I have other hot rods to drive - I have more money than god - and I am "willing". Well... that, and I'm pissed off, and stubborn too...

So here's my response - verbatim:


QUOTE:

Instead of trying threatening tactics with me. You're far far ahead just getting the work done and getting paid.
Sometimes you just have to park you're ego. I have other hot rods to drive and more money than god. The only guy that will win this battle us<SIC> me. I have time I have cash I am willing.

Just fix it - fix it RIGHT and wash your hands of it. You'll sleep better.

If the throw out bearing problem is discovered. I can wire 15k In the morning... It's up to you.

END QUOTE:

Then I added this in another email because it came to me that this is probably part of some of the issues the shop may be having... if they're having issues at all -- just sayin'...


QUOTE from another emailed response:

BTW - you're pissed off at the CUSTOMER for refusing to accept defective work. Maybe you should be pissed off at your shop that did the work?? I don't remember building the car. I did PAY someone to do that. So far it's been on two tow trucks and I've had to fix several different issues.

So kudos on your customer service. It explains why you're down to 5 or 6 guys.

END QUOTE:


Now == there is no denying that I'm a certified bungholio... but you also have to know me -- and know that when I'm saying many things on here as well as these kinds of emails -- that I have a HUGE smile on my face. Yes they have a name for guys like me - I'm the first one to tell you that I'm a big one (I don't have a big one but act like I am a big one!)... So I'm just trying to set the picture here.

Anyway -- we'll see what happens. Two guys with big egos fighting over their toys -- not a happy ending. Someone wins - someone looses. Either way I'm fine with jumping in. Some guys are just like that.

I pay faster than anyone on the planet - I make up my mind - I'm extremely "decisive" so I'm never the hang up.... but with that comes a price - that price is "you have to deliver". The product has to be as stated, or as agreed, if not, we have a problem. I'll kiss a guy in broad daylight and sing his praises publicly... or not. :D

So this could end with a whimper -- or it could end sometime about 2 years from now. It's up to them. They have the car... I have my check book. I'm still out cruising around.

BTW -- I never once mentioned anything about them reimbursing me for the tow truck or any parts or ANYTHING from the Santa Barbara trip - that ain't how I roll.... I just suck it up - and go on about my biz.... so I'm not that crappy customer. Dude! Nobody is easier to get along with than me. But ya gotta do it RIGHT and you gotta do what you say you're going to do - because that how I do my end of things. I expect the same in return.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Greg...I love you. LMAO

[fleetus macmullitz]

I have more money than god...

Not even close. :lol:

Revelations 21

The 12 gates are 12 pearls; each individual gate was made of a single pearl. The broad street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass...

[greycamaro]

"I never once mentioned anything about them reimbursing me for the tow truck or any parts or ANYTHING from the Santa Barbara trip"
I'm appauled that they haven't offered.

[56pickup]

Greg,

sorry to hear about the troubles! a class act hot rod shop like rad rides or the roadster shop or the ring brothers would have no problem getting things fixed for the customer because if they do not take care of the customers they will have no buisness. hope things work out for you. there is a lot of little details on your 32 that i like alot and i noticed them right away as we own a 32 ourself.

i guessed i missed out on the stardrive. i was wondering how they worked.


hope you get it back soon! :thumbsup:

[pokey64]

I seem to recall Greg offering this tactic to help resolve an issue for a fellow board member...

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This is why I would never mess with Greg Weld! :rofl: