Budget '69 Camaro Track Car - NO WHINERS! [Archive]

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 09:55 PM

A few of you have been asking about my car so I thought since I have a little time I would share the story of how my car got started.

Back in the year 2000 I picked up A PHR magazine showing the process of the building of Stielow's and now Charlies "the Mule". By this time I'd already had my car for 5 years.

I threw on upper Global West control arms and rear leaf's, a Baer brake track/touring set up, Speed Direct rack, and some 17" Torque Thrust II's with 255's on 8's up front and some 275's on 9.5's in the rear.

Here's a couple of old pic's from back the day. Hang tight as I'm digging up photos and resizing them

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Eary%20Thunderhill/IMG_4558.jpg

Flash68

10-28-2011, 10:03 PM

Hey, about time you post a thread! :thumbsup: But no pic attached buddy.

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 10:46 PM

I ran NASA HPDE's up until 2004 or 2005 and then they started the Time Trial group.

Here's a couple of pic's running Time Trials in 2006. By this time the roll cage, DSE subframe connectors, and new 383 with 500 hp was in.

2006 would be my last year racing the car as other priorities would take place.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/1969%20Camaro%20At%20Infineon%20Raceway/InfineonRaceway2006003-1.jpg

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/1969%20Camaro%20At%20Infineon%20Raceway/InfineonRaceway2006001-2.jpg

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:08 PM

Fast Forward to 2010. I'm off work for 3 months due to surgeries. I've known about the Pro-Touring forum since 2002 but never really participated but with 3 months of nothing to do where else could I have possibly ended up.

So with all the killer builds going on Phase 2 began. I started with ordering an aluminum small block 427 motor from NYES. Keep in mind this is a budget build and the only way to get big horse power and torque on a budget is high compression. This motor is 13.5 compression and makes 620 hp at 6500 rpm and 550 torque at 5000 rpm.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/PickedUpMotorfromTerminal005.jpg
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Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:22 PM

Of course I couldn't stop there. I got word that AMD was making aluminum front clips for the '69's so I decided to throw one on.

So off with the front clip.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Day%203%20Just%20a%20little%20cleanup%20work/Day3001.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Day%203%20Just%20a%20little%20cleanup%20work/Day3002.jpg

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:27 PM

And on with the new aluminum one.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Work%20Day%205%20and%206/007-1.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Work%20Day%205%20and%206/006-1.jpg

intocarss

10-28-2011, 11:29 PM

Good stuff...keep it coming

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:32 PM

Thanks Jerry!!

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:37 PM

So next thing to do obviously would be to paint the car. Being budget minded I tell the painter to just paint the front and match the rear. When I went to pick the car up the paint matching didn't go so well. As a matter of fact it wasn't even close. The front looked awesome and the rear looked as dull as a faded hugger orange could possibly look so we ended up painting the whole car.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Lowered%20Front%20of%20Car/Anthonysgraduation002-1.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Lowered%20Front%20of%20Car/Anthonysgraduation002.jpg

Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:46 PM

Motor is in and car is painted. Time for some exhaust. I went wth 3" all the way out the back.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/New%203%20inch%20exhaust/ExhaustInstalled004.jpg
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Track Junky

10-28-2011, 11:55 PM

Now that the motor is in, car is painted, and exhaust is installed it was time to try her out on a road course. I chose Buttonwillow because it is one of my favorite tracks. Especially the 13 CW configuration.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Buttonwillow%209-25-10%202/1e82b6d2-49bb-4921-aef5-3f5af769289c.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Buttonwillow%209-25-10%202/Buttonwillow%209-25-10%20resized/VP__1512-1.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Buttonwillow%209-25-10%202/VP__0079-1.jpg

intocarss

10-28-2011, 11:58 PM

In the later pics with the Torque Thrusts are those wider wheels in front then the early pics??

89 RS

10-29-2011, 12:02 AM

Gaetano, Good to see you posting about your Camaro...it's a cool ride to share what's going on with it. Bet you're excited about the new engine.

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 12:03 AM

In the later pics with the Torque Thrusts are those wider wheels in front then the early pics??

Yes sir. I was screwing around with my car out in the garage back in the day and decided to try the rears up front. When I turned the wheel from left to right I noticed rubbing and figured out it was the wheel wells so I cut the wheel wells out in the locations that it rubbed and the rest is history.

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 12:06 AM

Gaetano, Good to see you posting about your Camaro...it's a cool ride to share what's going on with it. Bet you're excited about the new engine.

Thanks Corey, appreciate the kind words. I thought I was going to be intimidated with the new motor having so much more power than my old one but it actually turned out to be alot more fun.

intocarss

10-29-2011, 12:10 AM

Thanks Corey, appreciate the kind words. I thought I was going to be intimidated with the new motor having so much more power than my old one but it actually turned out to be alot more fun. YA THINK??? :rolleyes: :D

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 12:14 AM

So after my first day on the track I noticed the car was getting really loose early on in my sessions and by the 5th lap I was drifting through the turns.

Turned out my rear differential was shifting from side to side in the corners and my rear tires were rubbing against my quarter panels and tail pipes.

Next step, watts link. Oh, and while I'm at it I may as well mini tub it. Not sure why I decided to mini tub but I did it anyways.

In order to fit wider tires for the mini tub I had to narrow my tank and move my exhaust inboard of the leaf springs.

Here are some pics of the mini tub, narrowed stock tank, watts link, and relocated exhaust.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Watts%20Link/WattsLink101.jpg
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Ron in SoCal

10-29-2011, 12:31 AM

Gae, you skipped the part about the sending the leaky motor back to Nyes...:D

Vince@Meanstreets

10-29-2011, 01:30 AM

Gae, you skipped the part about the sending the leaky motor back to Nyes...:D

oh he's leaving out a bunch! :D

Wait till you see what we have cooking for next year. Even he doesn't know. :lol:

Flash68

10-29-2011, 01:52 AM

I didn't know that sucker was 13.5:1! Wow, no wonder you don't drive it on the street.

Great pics. Keep em comin...

Yeah I remember your issues with NYES too..... are you happy with the engine now that it's in and all setup tho?

Vegas69

10-29-2011, 05:08 PM

This car is all business. The owner is all attitude. :cheers: It's crazy how tight everything is packaged in your rear differential area.

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 09:08 PM

Gae, you skipped the part about the sending the leaky motor back to Nyes...:D

Ahh you remembered. OK, so let me fill in. There was a total of three Buttonwillow trips last year. The first one was a disaster because the motor leaked oil from just about everywhere. That day at Buttonwillow My fastest time was 2:18 and after two sessions packed it up and left due to oilleaks. Sent motor back, leaks got fixed and then she was good to go. Next trip to Buttonwillow laid down some 2:15's and all was well but car had a push.......Which now leads me to my buddy Vince at Dreamspeedmotors.

oh he's leaving out a bunch! :D

Wait till you see what we have cooking for next year. Even he doesn't know. :lol:

After my second stint at Buttonwillow I went to Dreamspeedmotors for some advice and to ask them if they would sponsor me. They agreed to help me out and so they set the car up for my third trip to Buttonwillow. My word to all was that after Dreamspeedmotors was done with tuning the car that I would lay down 2:10 lap times. Dreamspeed readusted front sway bar and raised the front leaf spring perch mount. Sure enough I knocked 5 seconds off my time and ran a couple of low 2:10 lap times at Buttonwillow 13CW config with one 2:10.3 and another 2:10.1. BTW, a big thanks to Vince.......always thinking and always taking care of my needs within a small budget.

Looking forward to next year!!

I didn't know that sucker was 13.5:1! Wow, no wonder you don't drive it on the street.

Great pics. Keep em comin...

Yeah I remember your issues with NYES too..... are you happy with the engine now that it's in and all setup tho?

Love the engine now. So far so good and all you can do is cross your fingers.

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 09:14 PM

This car is all business. The owner is all attitude. :cheers: It's crazy how tight everything is packaged in your rear differential area.

Todd, had a great time running with you guys last time out. Cant wait till we get together again and once again congrats on those killer times you laid down. You've got some great skills behind the wheel and are also really fun to hang out with. :cheers:

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 09:26 PM

Some time around 2005 I got Performance Fabrication in Redwood City to sponsor me and they are the ones that installed my bolt together Autopower roll cage that I had them weld together and installed my oil cooler set up.

So moving forward and trying to do so on a budget it was time to fill in the rear wells with some wider tires. Trying to be fast, light weight in wheels is a big help. I researched wheels for a long time and come to find out 2002 Z06 wheels are 19 lbs up front and 21 in the rear. I think to myself,"Hey no brainer, pick up some used Z06 wheels and I'll save at least $3000. So I pick up some Z06 wheels for $600 bucks. I kinda liked the way they looked but the problem is that you need spacers to make them work with a stock subframe and rear. I tried them out but they did not work. Handling completely changed and the front of the car pushed like it was on ice.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Z06%20wheels%20on%20all%204/Z06Wheelsonall4006.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Z06%20wheels%20on%20all%204/Z06Wheelsonall4005.jpg
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Sieg

10-29-2011, 09:36 PM

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 09:54 PM

Gaetano,

Thanks for taking the time to create this chronology. My goal is to have a good street/track car and your info is very helpful.

Brake system still Baer track/touring?

Trans and rear gear ratio?

Ahh yes, forgot to mention the trans. One of the big reasons for wrapping things up with NASA in 2006 was loosing a tranny and a motor in the same season. First went the trans. I was running an M-21 for years and really loved it but lack of maintaining it(just being dumb and not changing the oil after every track day) I grenaded it heading up the hill after turn one at Infineon. I decided to buy a new trans as apposed to rebuilding it and came across a site called 5speed.com. I called the owner and was enquiring about their dog ring clutchless trans and he talked me into buying their M-22 trans that he builds for a road racing vintage Jaguar series that runs out on the east coast.

They call this M-22 a Spec 25. Supposively its good for 800 ft/lbs of torque. When I bought it back in 2006 it retailed for $2100 but I recently visited the site and they are now going for $2700. So far the tranny has treated me well and I change oil after every track day.

As far as rear ratios, I really like the 3:42's. I could probably go to 3:55's but keep in mind, being on a budget means trying to keep the rpm's down so that you can try and save motor and continue to have fun.

I am still using the Baer Track/Touring brakes on my car and the 2nd to last time out on the track I thought I was due for an upgrade because the brakes were starting to fade around the 5th lap. Turns out it could have possibly been the brake fluid over heating. I went to Motul 660 brake fluid and the last time at the track they worked great so I'm hoping it was just the brake fluid.

Flash68

10-29-2011, 10:04 PM

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 10:38 PM

I think that pretty much puts me up to date as far as what the car is running. I did forget to mention that I was running the stock lower control arms up until recently picking up the Global West lowers to match the uppers. The car handled great with the stock LCA's but I thought it would be benificial to add the new lowers. I also intend on adding a few other photo's of what Vince at Deamspeedmotors did but all in good time.

So the latest are the new Afco front springs and adjustable spring spacers.

After installing the new Global West lower control arms the poly spring base raised the car about an inch and a quarter. I pulled the springs out again, cut them, and dropped the car too low which limited my travel.

I noticed the diffference my last track dat at Buttonwillow. At initial turn in the car pushed a bit and I'm pretty sure I was bottoming out on my bump stops.

So being a budget build this is my next solution to that problem. I picked up some Afco adjustable spring spacers along with 2 sets of springs. The springs in the pic's are 650 lb. I also ordered a set of 600 lb and will try them both to see which work the best.

The springs are 9 1/2" tall and the spacers at lowest setting are 3" tall. I'm going to cut an inch off the top of the adjustable spacer. I'm also thinking about welding studs at the top of the spacers and drilling holes at the top of the spring pocket so that I can bolt the spacer in. Then I want to weld the spring to the spacer so that I could adjust height by turning the spring. Thats all here say for now as I wont know what I'm getting into until installation but I'm pretty sure thats how it will play out.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Budget%2069%20Camaro%20Track%20Car/AfcoSprings010.jpg

Track Junky

10-29-2011, 10:51 PM

Bummer about those Vette wheels... I thought they really looked great on there. Makes me wonder if my car will feel and track much differently once I get some correctly sized wheels and ditch the big spacers.

You never know until you try. Bummer thing about it is that wheels aren't cheap.

My Vette wheels are sold and I am currently rolling the car around on a buddies borrowed set of wheels. I am currently working with Zak at Boze to decide on a color combo for my new set of wheels. I decided on their new Track wheel that they recently came up with.

SLO_Z28

10-29-2011, 11:22 PM

Track Junky

10-30-2011, 04:39 AM

Good call on those springs/spacers. Its what I use. 650 is a little light on the spring though, you might want to step up to at least 750. I wouldn't worry about welding the springs, they're working fine for me.

Very cool, thanks for the info James!! I figured 650's only because I knocked 200 lbs off the front end. What do you think?

Wonder if any of you or anybody else can answer this question. If you cut a coil off a conventional spring does it raise the spring rate?

I have been told yes from one and no from another.

Ron in SoCal

10-30-2011, 08:27 AM

Ahh you remembered. OK, so let me fill in. There was a total of three Buttonwillow trips last year. The first one was a disaster because the motor leaked oil from just about everywhere. That day at Buttonwillow My fastest time was 2:18 and after two sessions packed it up and left due to oilleaks. Sent motor back, leaks got fixed and then she was good to go. Next trip to Buttonwillow laid down some 2:15's and all was well but car had a push.......Which now leads me to my buddy Vince at Dreamspeedmotors.

After my second stint at Buttonwillow I went to Dreamspeedmotors for some advice and to ask them if they would sponsor me. They agreed to help me out and so they set the car up for my third trip to Buttonwillow. My word to all was that after Dreamspeedmotors was done with tuning the car that I would lay down 2:10 lap times. Dreamspeed readusted front sway bar and raised the front leaf spring perch mount. Sure enough I knocked 5 seconds off my time and ran a couple of low 2:10 lap times at Buttonwillow 13CW config with one 2:10.3 and another 2:10.1. BTW, a big thanks to Vince.......always thinking and always taking care of my needs within a small budget.

Looking forward to next year!!

Love the engine now. So far so good and all you can do is cross your fingers.

Hey Gae - I was only bustin' yer nuts about the motor leak. You know I've been a fan, and I know what PIA it was when you had to crate the montser back up and ship it out, not to mention the wasted trac day!

And there still more to the journey, right! The brakes that never went on for all the right reasons, the 'other' set of Boze wheels you almost went with, the consideration for a fender stretch (which would of busted the budget). And through all that you, posted vids of passing the field and lowering your track times.

I think you and Vince & Crew have done a great job and given me lots to think about in my build! Props Bro...:cheers:

Sieg

10-30-2011, 09:40 AM

Very cool, thanks for the info James!! I figured 650's only because I knocked 200 lbs off the front end. What do you think?

Wonder if any of you or anybody else can answer this question. If you cut a coil off a conventional spring does it raise the spring rate?

I have been told yes from one and no from another.
You might give Cannon Racecraft a call. They manufacture custom springs for numerous applications.

I don't think the rate changes as it is more wire diameter and other build spec dimensions.

With bikes the critical measurements when determening spring rates are static sag (amount vehicle sags under it's own weight) and ride sag (amount of sag with rider and vehicle) the primary objective is to keep the shock valving in the sweet spot of the stroke over the majority of the course. Off-road bikes they have three stages of compression valving, if the spring allows the shock to ride too low into the mid-stroke the suspension get harsh and corner grip is impacted. I'm not sure how progressive valving is in vehicles though.

I do know that Cannon RC can build springs to your spec and needs.

Vince@Meanstreets

10-30-2011, 12:26 PM

Ahh you remembered. OK, so let me fill in. There was a total of three Buttonwillow trips last year. The first one was a disaster because the motor leaked oil from just about everywhere. That day at Buttonwillow My fastest time was 2:18 and after two sessions packed it up and left due to oilleaks. Sent motor back, leaks got fixed and then she was good to go. Next trip to Buttonwillow laid down some 2:15's and all was well but car had a push.......Which now leads me to my buddy Vince at Dreamspeedmotors.

After my second stint at Buttonwillow I went to Dreamspeedmotors for some advice and to ask them if they would sponsor me. They agreed to help me out and so they set the car up for my third trip to Buttonwillow. My word to all was that after Dreamspeedmotors was done with tuning the car that I would lay down 2:10 lap times. Dreamspeed readusted front sway bar and raised the front leaf spring perch mount. Sure enough I knocked 5 seconds off my time and ran a couple of low 2:10 lap times at Buttonwillow 13CW config with one 2:10.3 and another 2:10.1. BTW, a big thanks to Vince.......always thinking and always taking care of my needs within a small budget.

Looking forward to next year!!

Love the engine now. So far so good and all you can do is cross your fingers.

Actually I was talking about the changes made...DSE bar, modified supension mounting points, weight loss and driver changes. but thank you for the props.

We will build it so your kid can hop in and kill a track. :D

You might give Cannon Racecraft a call. They manufacture custom springs for numerous applications.

I don't think the rate changes as it is more wire diameter and other build spec dimensions.

With bikes the critical measurements when determening spring rates are static sag (amount vehicle sags under it's own weight) and ride sag (amount of sag with rider and vehicle) the primary objective is to keep the shock valving in the sweet spot of the stroke over the majority of the course. Off-road bikes they have three stages of compression valving, if the spring allows the shock to ride too low into the mid-stroke the suspension get harsh and corner grip is impacted. I'm not sure how progressive valving is in vehicles though.

I do know that Cannon RC can build springs to your spec and needs.

The rate will increase and its kinda hard to put your brain around.

If you remove a coil from the total height the spring rate will increase. Its a cumulative effect of ALL the coils together when calculated.
http://www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm

good info here.
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=11117&highlight=cut+coil+spring+rate

Vince@Meanstreets

10-30-2011, 12:35 PM

You might give Cannon Racecraft a call. They manufacture custom springs for numerous applications.

I don't think the rate changes as it is more wire diameter and other build spec dimensions.

With bikes the critical measurements when determening spring rates are static sag (amount vehicle sags under it's own weight) and ride sag (amount of sag with rider and vehicle) the primary objective is to keep the shock valving in the sweet spot of the stroke over the majority of the course. Off-road bikes they have three stages of compression valving, if the spring allows the shock to ride too low into the mid-stroke the suspension get harsh and corner grip is impacted. I'm not sure how progressive valving is in vehicles though.

I do know that Cannon RC can build springs to your spec and needs.

sorry got cut off.....custom springs are the best way to go cause they are tailored to your specific vehicle, weight, wheel rate and usage. How are his prices sieg?

thanks for the info,

vince

Sieg

10-30-2011, 08:56 PM

sorry got cut off.....custom springs are the best way to go cause they are tailored to your specific vehicle, weight, wheel rate and usage. How are his prices sieg?

thanks for the info,

vince

Vince,

Give them a call and get a quote, my only experience is with KTM off-road bikes and their pricing has been comparable to the OEM WP Suspension springs. Friends have put their springs through serious off-road events (100 mile, 3-5 hour stuff) including 24 hour events with good results.

http://www.cannonracecraft.com/

Track Junky

10-31-2011, 12:41 AM

Hey Gae - I was only bustin' yer nuts about the motor leak. You know I've been a fan, and I know what PIA it was when you had to crate the montser back up and ship it out, not to mention the wasted trac day!

And there still more to the journey, right! The brakes that never went on for all the right reasons, the 'other' set of Boze wheels you almost went with, the consideration for a fender stretch (which would of busted the budget). And through all that you, posted vids of passing the field and lowering your track times.

I think you and Vince & Crew have done a great job and given me lots to think about in my build! Props Bro...:cheers:

Man Ron, you've got a great memmory, and yes sir, the journey never really does end does it!!

Thanks for the props, bud!! :cheers:

You might give Cannon Racecraft a call. They manufacture custom springs for numerous applications.

I don't think the rate changes as it is more wire diameter and other build spec dimensions.

With bikes the critical measurements when determening spring rates are static sag (amount vehicle sags under it's own weight) and ride sag (amount of sag with rider and vehicle) the primary objective is to keep the shock valving in the sweet spot of the stroke over the majority of the course. Off-road bikes they have three stages of compression valving, if the spring allows the shock to ride too low into the mid-stroke the suspension get harsh and corner grip is impacted. I'm not sure how progressive valving is in vehicles though.

I do know that Cannon RC can build springs to your spec and needs.

Thats pretty interesting information. As soon as Vince gets a break we are going to have to discuss shocks. Thanks for the input.

Sieg

10-31-2011, 03:28 PM

Thats pretty interesting information. As soon as Vince gets a break we are going to have to discuss shocks. Thanks for the input.

You're welcome!

Even if the shocks aren't progessively valved I'd think you'd still want to keep the car riding in the "meat" (20% top/60% mid/20% bottom) of the stroke. Something to consider in the never-ending qwest for the ultimate track day set-up :D

The spring rate calculator that Vince posted was good info for me. :thumbsup:

Track Junky

12-21-2011, 10:01 PM

So Phase 3 of my build begins. I installed my Afco front springs a couple weeks ago and my Forgelines and rear NT-01's showed up today so I got them mounted up.
I originally ordered them with a polished lip but then called back after about a week and told them all satin black. Going to shoot for a little more sinister look.
Next step is to take the subframe and raise it approximately 2" up into the floor so that I could still have ample travel while still keeping the car low. Then I will work on tying the satin black wheels in with the paint scheme.

I weighed the wheels and the fronts are 16 lbs and the rears are 18 lbs. I hope my scale isn't off because I'm really liking those numbers.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/Forgelines004.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/Forgelines002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/Forgelines001.jpg

coolwelder62

12-21-2011, 10:04 PM

Look's Awesome.This car would Rock w/a VRP sub frame under it.:thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal

12-21-2011, 10:12 PM

Looks killer Gae! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

56pickup

12-21-2011, 10:13 PM

Looks good love the forgelines! Even better when the front comes down! :thumbsup:

dwilson

12-21-2011, 10:14 PM

lookin good. wheels turned out really nice!

intocarss

12-21-2011, 10:17 PM

Black wheels suck :unibrow:

Nice neighborhood though :thumbsup:

Track Junky

12-21-2011, 10:32 PM

Look's Awesome.This car would Rock w/a VRP sub frame under it.:thumbsup:

Scott, your subframe would be no doubt my only choice for a subframe. I love your work and grass roots style!!

Looks killer Gae! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Looks good love the forgelines! Even better when the front comes down! :thumbsup:

lookin good. wheels turned out really nice!

Thanks guy's. Hopeing to get started on recessing subframe into the body of the car soon. It's looking like Vince wont be able to get to it till the end of January.

Black wheels suck :unibrow:

Nice neighborhood though :thumbsup:

Thanks Jerry, the whole neighborhood is really pretty quiet except for this one guy thats always working on his cars. :D

Flash68

12-21-2011, 11:27 PM

Looks great brother! Like the all black. Glad you made that change. :thumbsup:

Track Junky

12-21-2011, 11:59 PM

Thanks Dave! Yeah, really thought the polished lip look made it look a little to street car. I'm really happy with the way they turned out.

Spiffav8

12-22-2011, 12:41 AM

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/Forgelines004.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/Forgelines002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/Forgelines001.jpg

Dude that's fracking awesome! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Track Junky

12-22-2011, 01:09 AM

Thank You Curtis!! After looking at your rendering I take that compliment in high regard!!

Nessumsar

12-22-2011, 11:56 AM

She is looking sweet Gae! I'll be watching your front sub modify closely, been planning something similar for about a year.

SBDave

12-22-2011, 12:35 PM

I really like the all satin black look. My car is still on stock wheels but I've painted them satin black. Whats your plan for tying that in to the paint scheme? Are those wheels the GA3's/GA3R's? What size wheel and tire combo?

Dave

Track Junky

12-22-2011, 02:12 PM

She is looking sweet Gae! I'll be watching your front sub modify closely, been planning something similar for about a year.

Thanks Jon!! I think recessing the sub is a great idea. Not only will we be able to keep travel, we will also lower center of gravity. Dropping everything will be easy. Steering coloumn will have to be raised a bit at firewall and z-bar lowered and modified but its definitely doable. The interior sheet metal work will be the brunt of the work.

I really like the all satin black look. My car is still on stock wheels but I've painted them satin black. Whats your plan for tying that in to the paint scheme? Are those wheels the GA3's/GA3R's? What size wheel and tire combo?

Dave

Thanks Dave!! Valance, grill, front bumper, header panel, hood, cowl panel will be satin black. Black stripes on the deck lid with satin black rear spoiler. Seen this look on a vintage '69 SCCA car and loved it.

Wheels are GA3R's. 17 x 9.5 front with 275/40's shaved RA-1's, rears are 17 x 10.5 with 315/35 NT-01's.

Rybar

12-22-2011, 02:20 PM

Looks good Gaetano!

Track Junky

12-22-2011, 02:33 PM

Looks good Gaetano!

Thanks Rybar!! I thought I was going to hear a comment about polished lips from you. Really glad you like them!!

fleetus macmullitz

12-22-2011, 02:37 PM

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Forgelines001.jpg

Great to see some nice, fat, juicy 17" tires ...and home for the holidays. :D

Lookin' good. :thumbsup:

Rybar

12-22-2011, 02:51 PM

Thanks Rybar!! I thought I was going to hear a comment about polished lips from you. Really glad you like them!!

That was my preference, go for what you like and what suits your needs. When you have an all black wheel I feel the tire and wheel lose the definition, thats why on an all black I like it when a pinstripe is used. White red, maybe orange in your case would look cool. Would be cheap and easy to try out?

Ron in SoCal

12-22-2011, 03:53 PM

Thanks Jon!! I think recessing the sub is a great idea. Not only will we be able to keep travel, we will also lower center of gravity. Dropping everything will be easy. Steering coloumn will have to be raised a bit at firewall and z-bar lowered and modified but its definitely doable. The interior sheet metal work will be the brunt of the work.

Don't forget the core support Gae. 'The floor channeling guys' seem to mod that every time...:captain:

Track Junky

12-22-2011, 04:07 PM

Don't forget the core support Gae. 'The floor channeling guys' seem to mod that every time...:captain:

Yup, raise the supports at the radiator core, drop the side frame mounts, and modify the rear mounts. Cut and rebox a portion of the body where frame meets firewall, inner wheel wells will need to be cut where they sit above the frame. Front bumper brackets removed and modified.

Track Junky

12-22-2011, 04:14 PM

Valance, grill, front bumper, header panel, hood, cowl panel will be satin black. Black stripes on the deck lid with satin black rear spoiler. Seen this look on a vintage '69 SCCA car and loved it.

This is the plan.

That was my preference, go for what you like and what suits your needs. When you have an all black wheel I feel the tire and wheel lose the definition, thats why on an all black I like it when a pinstripe is used. White red, maybe orange in your case would look cool. Would be cheap and easy to try out?

Track Junky

12-22-2011, 04:17 PM

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Forgelines001.jpg

Great to see some nice, fat, juicy 17" tires ...and home for the holidays. :D

Lookin' good. :thumbsup:

Thanks Skip!! Them NT-01's were made the 36th week of 2011 and are nice and sticky. I was picking up every peice of gravel on the street.

Track Junky

12-31-2011, 06:50 PM

Cris@JCG

12-31-2011, 07:05 PM

You nailed the stance Gaetano! Now post a pic with the tires turned.. :D

Lowered the front of the car last night buy cutting 2" off the tops of the Afco spring height adjusters and they are at their lowest setting right now. I have the ability to raise the front a max of 2" if I need to.

Here's a few pic's.....

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro005.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro003.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro001.jpg

fleetus macmullitz

12-31-2011, 07:55 PM

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro005.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro003.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro001.jpg

You can't stop a '69 Camaro...you can only hope to contain it. :cool:

Gaetano,

Great stance + fat 17's on some badd black Forgelines=Happy New Year!

:D

intocarss

12-31-2011, 08:22 PM

Lowered the front of the car last night buy cutting 2" off the tops of the Afco spring height adjusters and they are at their lowest setting right now. I have the ability to raise the front a max of 2" if I need to.

Here's a few pic's.....

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro005.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro003.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro001.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/southpark-cum.jpg

coolwelder62

12-31-2011, 09:09 PM

All I can say is AWESOME.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Track Junky

12-31-2011, 09:09 PM

You nailed the stance Gaetano! Now post a pic with the tires turned.. :D

No rubbing prob's here buddy. Gave it the ole baseball bat treatment and we are all good :thumbsup:

You can't stop a '69 Camaro...you can only hope to contain it. :cool:

Gaetano,

Great stance + fat 17's on some badd black Forgelines=Happy New Year!

:D

Thanks Skip!! Happy New Year to you also!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/southpark-cum.jpg

LMAO!! Jerry, might be time to start your 12 step car porn program :lol:

Track Junky

12-31-2011, 09:10 PM

All I can say is AWESOME.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Scott!!:cheers:

Vegas69

12-31-2011, 11:32 PM

Gotta say man, the 17's and all black looks gooood!

Track Junky

12-31-2011, 11:41 PM

Gotta say man, the 17's and all black looks gooood!

Thanks bro. I'm glad I finally got your seal of approval on the 17's :cheers:

56pickup

01-01-2012, 12:21 AM

Stance looks great!! Love the wheels :thumbsup:

Flash68

01-01-2012, 01:14 AM

Dude..

Great call on 17s.

Great call on switching last minute to all satin black.

And great job getting that stance where it's at.

Totally transformed the car. :thumbsup:

Sieg

01-01-2012, 09:12 AM

Good work!

Have you considered blacking out all of the exterior chrome?

Ron in SoCal

01-01-2012, 09:44 AM

That's a homerun Gae! :thumbsup: Time to change your avatar :D

Track Junky

01-01-2012, 10:14 AM

Dude..

Great call on 17s.

Great call on switching last minute to all satin black.

And great job getting that stance where it's at.

Totally transformed the car. :thumbsup:

Thanks Dave!! I'm really happy with the wheels..........find myself staring at my car for countless minutes at a time :D

Good work!

Have you considered blacking out all of the exterior chrome?

Thanks Bro!! I was at Steve's Camaro's in San Bruno and he had a old pic of a Vintage SCCA '69 Camaro with black wheels and the paint scheme on it was pretty mean looking. Up front the valance, fender extensions, bumper, header panel, hood, and cowl were black. The rear deck lid and spoiler had the stripes. It was pretty mean looking and I really liked it since I kind of want to get this thing a little sinister looking.

I have a brother in law that has a sign shop and says as long as I pick up the vinyl sticker material that we could do it in sticker form for a trial run to see how it looks so I will probably be playing around with a few different things when I have time to hook up with him.

That's a homerun Gae! :thumbsup: Time to change your avatar :D

Thank you Ron!! It's great to hear from you. I love what Chris is doing with your car. So many special proto-type parts being made for it from a special builder and I think you truly deserve that kind of treatment.

As far as the avatar goes, were going to have to wait for a killer action pic!! ;)

Sieg

01-01-2012, 10:54 AM

A deviation of this scheme may have track potential.
http://image.popularhotrodding.com/f/8890493+w750+st0/0710phr_17_z+1969_chevy_camaro+side_view.jpg

http://image.popularhotrodding.com/f/8890421+w750+st0/0710phr_05_z+1969_chevy_camaro+front_left_view.jpg

http://image.popularhotrodding.com/f/8890442+w750+st0/0710phr_08_z+1969_chevy_camaro+rear_right_view.jpg

70rs

01-01-2012, 11:10 AM

I love the way it turned out! Don't change a thing.
The black graphics are cool, but your current setup just screams ” classy race car” to me.

Ron in SoCal

01-01-2012, 11:48 AM

^ Sieg, love that car you posted :thumbsup:

Thank you Ron!! It's great to hear from you. I love what Chris is doing with your car. So many special proto-type parts being made for it from a special builder and I think you truly deserve that kind of treatment.

As far as the avatar goes, were going to have to wait for a killer action pic!! ;)

Thank you Gae! Happy New Year Bro...:cheers:

jr4452

01-01-2012, 11:57 AM

One word....... PERFECT! :thumbsup:

skatinjay27

01-01-2012, 01:41 PM

holy crap!
that looks soo mean!
the stance offset and wheel color/size look freaking perfect!:hail:

Track Junky

01-01-2012, 06:50 PM

Stance looks great!! Love the wheels :thumbsup:

Thanks Tyler!! Hope things go smooth with your project.

I love the way it turned out! Don't change a thing.
The black graphics are cool, but your current setup just screams ” classy race car” to me.

Thanks Eric!!

^ Sieg, love that car you posted :thumbsup:

Thank you Gae! Happy New Year Bro...:cheers:

Happy , healthy, and prosperous 2012 to you also buddy!!

One word....... PERFECT! :thumbsup:

holy crap!
that looks soo mean!
the stance offset and wheel color/size look freaking perfect!:hail:

Thanks guys!! :cheers:

cencalc6

01-01-2012, 08:19 PM

Very Nice :thumbsup:

intocarss

01-01-2012, 08:46 PM

Hey Tracky is your Cam a real Z/28??

Track Junky

01-01-2012, 10:11 PM

Very Nice :thumbsup:

Thanks Cencal!!

Hey Tracky is your Cam a real Z/28??

No, it's a real PT-R :unibrow:

Actually it's an L-65. Came with all the option's as the LM-1 but is the later version that Chevrolet quoted had 5 less HP. ;)

89 RS

01-02-2012, 01:03 AM

Gaetano, Nice way to start a new year with some wicked looking wheels! Those wheels look freakin' bad combined with the new stance and you have completely changed the attitude of your Camaro. I like how you went with 17's.

Track Junky

01-02-2012, 09:40 AM

Thanks Corey, I appreciate the compliment. :cheers:

Rybar

01-30-2012, 12:36 PM

Lowered the front of the car last night buy cutting 2" off the tops of the Afco spring height adjusters and they are at their lowest setting right now. I have the ability to raise the front a max of 2" if I need to.

Here's a few pic's.....

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro005.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro003.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Forgelines/LoweredOrangeCamaro001.jpg

Gaetano, I somehow missed this post of yours and I have to say well done and sticking to your guns the wheels and stance are nailed buddy!! It definately has the track themed look to it that you were going for so just wanted to say congrats on the choice it looks killer!!

Track Junky

01-30-2012, 06:57 PM

Thank you Rybar. Two weeks into the order I called my vendor and made the change. Polished lip would have looked geat for a street car but I'm heading toward a little more sinister look.
Have a few other ideas that I want to get to for a front grill block off and air intake for the radiator through the valance along with a splitter and some side skirts but thats all taking a back seat and will have to wait since I just had to replace the motor in my truck.

Thanks again bro :cheers:

intocarss

04-14-2012, 01:21 AM

Bump for updates!

DFRESH

04-14-2012, 10:40 AM

Wow--great job on the stance bro----that looks killer! I'll sacrafice some performance for stance anyday of the week---doesn't sound like you've had to do that and it still sits wicked. Very nice!

D

Bucketlist2012

04-14-2012, 10:56 AM

I just went through the whole thread..

Very Nice Car...:thumbsup:

Sieg

04-14-2012, 03:04 PM

I just went through the whole thread..

Very Nice Car...:thumbsup:

Seriously? It's orange with black wheels http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/puke.gif
Who'd wanna use that scheme? :rofl:

Awesome car and it gets used like they should be. Hopefully I can get mine to a similar stage. :thumbsup:

sixnina

04-14-2012, 03:52 PM

Some time around 2005 I got Performance Fabrication in Redwood City to sponsor me and they are the ones that installed my bolt together Autopower roll cage that I had them weld together and installed my oil cooler set up.

So moving forward and trying to do so on a budget it was time to fill in the rear wells with some wider tires. Trying to be fast, weight in wheels is a big help. I researched wheels for a long time and come to find out 2002 Z06 wheels are 19 lbs up front and 21 in the rear. I think to myself,"Hey no brainer, pick up some used Z06 wheels and I'll save at least $2000. So I pick up some Z06 wheels for $600 bucks. I kinda liked the way they looked but the problem is that you need spacers to make them work with a stock subframe and rear. I tried them out but they did not work. Handling completely changed and the front of the car pushed like it was on ice.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Z06%20wheels%20on%20all%204/Z06Wheelsonall4006.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Z06%20wheels%20on%20all%204/Z06Wheelsonall4005.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Z06%20wheels%20on%20all%204/Z06Wheelsonall4002.jpg

Gaetano,
Awesome car. Thanks for posting info on zo6 wheels as I was considering for my project also being on a budget. Thanks Shane

intocarss

04-14-2012, 04:15 PM

Seriously? It's orange with black wheels http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/puke.gif
Who'd wanna use that scheme? :rofl:

People that don't have blue cars with black
wheels that's who. GEEEEEZZ Seig get a grip! :willy:

Sieg

04-14-2012, 04:30 PM

People that don't have blue cars with black
wheels that's who. GEEEEEZZ Sieg get a grip! :willy:
Sorry, my med's were wearing off.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkmmh24wxo1qacgr2o1_500.jpg

Bucketlist2012

04-14-2012, 04:47 PM

Seriously? It's orange with black wheels http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/puke.gif
Who'd wanna use that scheme? :rofl:

Awesome car and it gets used like they should be. Hopefully I can get mine to a similar stage. :thumbsup:

:wow: :wow: :rofl:

He is getting his money's worth, that is for sure...I hope to wear out some new parts soon..:thumbsup:

intocarss

04-14-2012, 06:50 PM

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Track Junky

04-14-2012, 08:49 PM

Bump for updates!

Thanks for asking Jerry.

The biggest update is that Vince has left Dreamspeed and opened up his own shop.
The name of the new shop is Mean Streets Performance. We are currently working on a logo to paste on my quarter panel. ;)

Wow--great job on the stance bro----that looks killer! I'll sacrafice some performance for stance anyday of the week---doesn't sound like you've had to do that and it still sits wicked. Very nice!

D

Thanks D!! Believe it or not these horse and buggy front suspensions and subframes like to run low and if you figure out the correct alignment specs aren't half bad. Emphasis on half. :rolleyes:

I just went through the whole thread..

Very Nice Car...:thumbsup:

Thanks solar dude!! :thumbsup:

Track Junky

04-14-2012, 08:54 PM

Seriously? It's orange with black wheels http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/puke.gif
Who'd wanna use that scheme? :rofl:

Awesome car and it gets used like they should be. Hopefully I can get mine to a similar stage. :thumbsup:

Orange and Black Attack!! :thumbsup:

Gaetano,
Awesome car. Thanks for posting info on zo6 wheels as I was considering for my project also being on a budget. Thanks Shane

Anytime bud!! :thumbsup:

Track Junky

04-14-2012, 09:05 PM

Here's a couple picks of us adjusting bump steer with a bump steer gauge before the Thunderhill event. We got the bump steer down to .035 in 2" of compression.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/VincesShop2012131.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/VincesShop2012130.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/VincesShop2012129.jpg

Track Junky

04-14-2012, 09:19 PM

Here's a pick minus the Dreamspeed decals and waiting to head to Mean Streets Performance next weekend for adjustments and fluid changes to get ready for Thunderhill Raceway on June 30th for another test and tune.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/Waiting%20for%20June%2030th/WaitingforJune30th002.jpg

intocarss

04-14-2012, 10:04 PM

Who poured the garage floor? It looks nice

Track Junky

04-14-2012, 10:36 PM

Not sure who Vince got to do the floors but it probably looks great because they just got a new epoxy coat.
Shop is definitley coming along. I helped him pick up a second lift last week and he will have a third soon all from the same guy from another shop.

intocarss

04-15-2012, 12:35 AM

Not sure who Vince got to do the floors but it probably looks great because they just got a new epoxy coat.
.

That went rt over your head dude ;)

Sieg

04-15-2012, 12:50 AM

Looking good Gaetano. :thumbsup:

The OB Attack is coming to a track near you fella's. :unibrow:

Track Junky

04-15-2012, 04:10 AM

Looking good Gaetano. :thumbsup:

The OB Attack is coming to a track near you fella's. :unibrow:

Thanks Sieg. If you want to catch the most of us at the same time try and make Buttonwillow. :thumbsup:

Track Junky

04-15-2012, 04:15 AM

That went rt over your head dude ;)

Sorry Jer, didn't think you'd be asking me about my own garage floors when you know I'm a General Contractor.:lol:

Ohh, and thanks, they did come out nice!!

intocarss

04-15-2012, 10:25 AM

Sorry Jer, didn't think you'd be asking me about my own garage floors when you know I'm a General Contractor.:lol:

Ohh, and thanks, they did come out nice!!

:lol:

Nessumsar

04-16-2012, 12:30 PM

Damn Gae, the car looks great. Looking forward to hearing about your Thunder Hill trip.

Sieg

04-16-2012, 12:47 PM

Thanks Sieg. If you want to catch the most of us at the same time try and make Buttonwillow. :thumbsup:
I'd REALLY enjoy it. Finding the time for a road trip right now with kids and business is the challenge.

One way travel:
Buttonwillow
723 mi, 11 hours 47 mins In current traffic: 11 hours 47 mins I-5 S

Thunder Hill
391 mi, 6 hours 30 mins In current traffic: 6 hours 30 mins I-5 S

Buttonwillow is bit of a hike even considering the amount of celebrities present to rub elbows with, T-Hill is obtainable if the stars align properly. :yes:

Track Junky

04-16-2012, 01:06 PM

Damn Gae, the car looks great. Looking forward to hearing about your Thunder Hill trip.

Thanks Jon!! Cant wait to see you at Buttonwillow. I'm pretty sure your the only guy running a true grass roots set up and it's amazing how well you do. :thumbsup:

I'd REALLY enjoy it. Finding the time for a road trip right now with kids and business is the challenge.

One way travel:
Buttonwillow
723 mi, 11 hours 47 mins In current traffic: 11 hours 47 mins I-5 S

Thunder Hill
391 mi, 6 hours 30 mins In current traffic: 6 hours 30 mins I-5 S

Buttonwillow is bit of a hike even considering the amount of celebrities present to rub elbows with, T-Hill is obtainable if the stars align properly. :yes:

Orange and Black attack at Thunderhill June 30th? That would be awesome!! Hopefully the stars align. :unibrow:

Jack Maurer

04-16-2012, 01:36 PM

Any chance you can make this NorCal Shelby track event and show the Mustang guys how to get around Thunderhill? This is a great event, called the Spring Sprint and is open to all interested in a fun, safe track event.

Track Junky

04-16-2012, 01:52 PM

Thank you for the invite Mr. Maurer, I've heard great things about your events. I really wanted to go when I heard Greg Weld and Charlie Lillard had signed up but with the economy the way it is I have had to create a car budget account and unfortunately this event would put me over.
I certainly intend on running with you guy's sometime in the future and once again, thank you.

Jack Maurer

04-16-2012, 03:16 PM

Flash68

04-16-2012, 03:47 PM

Orange and Black attack at Thunderhill June 30th? That would be awesome!! Hopefully the stars align. :unibrow:

looking at a little Viper blue and white striped injection for that weekend if things go right... :thumbsup:

Track Junky

04-16-2012, 04:19 PM

There is a Track Masters event May 10th and 11th at Infineon that has more friendly pricing; would luv to see your Camaro on track; I have enjoyed see all the pics of your car. Soon I will be introducing a 69 Camaro project (Darkside) that was just recently completed; project was inspired by Charlie Lilard, Stielow and your ride. Takecare and see you soon, Jack.

The Track Masters group are very impressive. I've had some great fun with those guys. Last time I ran with Track Masters a gentleman by the name of Frank took me around T-Hill in his little black Porsche. You may know him as he is a regular with them. Talk about a ride!!
Stielow has inspired many. I would have a much larger bank account if it wasn't for him, lol.
If things pick up I will certainly consider Infineon with you. it is my favorite road course. Looking forward to seeing your build.
Cheers :cheers:

looking at a little Viper blue and white striped injection for that weekend if things go right... :thumbsup:

Thats good news Dave. I'm crossing my fingers for you :thumbsup:

Flash68

04-16-2012, 11:34 PM

Jack Maurer

04-17-2012, 01:15 PM

Yes, I was the proud owner/builder of the 65 Mustang now owned by Greg Weld; looking forward to seeing it on track again at Thunderhill; miss the car alot. Please come by and visit Charlie Lillard, Greg and the gang; should be a fun event.

intocarss

05-04-2012, 09:15 PM

Bump For Up Dates Damn It

Track Junky

05-04-2012, 09:53 PM

Was trying to keep it on the down low but my rear lexan glass showed up today and I drilled the holes for the spoiler on my aluminum deck lid. Goes in for paint next Tuesday. I'll add some more pics after I install them.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/RearlexanandAlumDeckLid002.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/RearlexanandAlumDeckLid001.jpg

intocarss

05-04-2012, 10:17 PM

Good stuff! Get rid of the 1/4 glass assembly, that'll save some weight too

Track Junky

05-04-2012, 10:38 PM

Total weight savings will be 40 lbs. That will make up for the 35 lbs added from the Fays 2 watts link.

FETorino

05-04-2012, 11:07 PM

Total weight savings will be 40 lbs. That will make up for the 35 lbs added from the Fays 2 watts link.

That's pretty cool. Like adding 4-7hp. :thumbsup:

Track Junky

05-04-2012, 11:35 PM

That's pretty cool. Like adding 4-7hp. :thumbsup:

Didn't even think about that, thanks for reminding me :thumbsup:

Next step will be to pull the battery from the trunk and place it behind the passenger seat. Them Optima's aren't light.

Vegas69

05-04-2012, 11:49 PM

Cheater

GregWeld

05-05-2012, 12:21 AM

How the hell did I miss this thread....

Just got to figure out a way to hi-jack it now. :woot:

Track Junky

05-05-2012, 01:00 AM

Cheater

No worries Todd, you can always pull the race car card :lol:

How the hell did I miss this thread....

Just got to figure out a way to hi-jack it now. :woot:

No worries Greg, we have plenty of support in that department. :cheers:

coolwelder62

05-05-2012, 12:43 PM

How the hell did I miss this thread....

Just got to figure out a way to hi-jack it now. :woot:It is easy to miss thiss thread because it's just ANOTHER 69 CAMARO.:lol: Their on 16 inch center's over here.You've seen one you've,seen them all.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Just funnin.!!!! Gaetano.

Track Junky

05-05-2012, 02:30 PM

Oh I see, just because you've moved on to 2nd gen's you think your better than us :rofl: :cheers:

Flash68

05-05-2012, 02:38 PM

Oh I see, just because you've moved on to 2nd gen's you think your better than us :rofl: :cheers:

That and a killer Pantera I've heard about.... :_paranoid

Track Junky

05-05-2012, 03:50 PM

Mock's holding out? :mad:

Flash68

05-05-2012, 03:57 PM

Mock's holding out? :mad:

It's in a thread on that "other" forum. :_paranoid

coolwelder62

05-05-2012, 04:15 PM

Oh I see, just because you've moved on to 2nd gen's you think your better than us :rofl: :cheers:That's about the size of it.:lol: Brian Finch,Klye Tucker,Brian Hobaugh,and myself have stepped outside the box and moved on to better thing's.We are working on Mark Stielow to come over to the dark side.!!!:lol:

Track Junky

05-05-2012, 04:19 PM

That's about the size of it.:lol: Brian Finch,Klye Tucker,Brian Hobaugh,and myself have stepped outside the box and moved on to better thing's.We are working on Mark Stielow to come over to the dark side.!!!:lol:

You guys weren't very convincing. In case you haven't noticed he is currently building a '67. :rofl:

Flash68

05-05-2012, 04:23 PM

You guys weren't very convincing. In case you haven't noticed he is currently building a '67. :rofl:

:thumbsup: :lol:

coolwelder62

05-05-2012, 08:41 PM

You guys weren't very convincing. In case you haven't noticed he is currently building a '67. :rofl:He's just trying to prove a point.:rofl: :rofl:

Vince@Meanstreets

05-06-2012, 02:03 AM

that reminds me, We started mocking up your engine today Gae...should be done by your birthday.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/306238_285600558201548_258675467560724_634778_3302 08629_n.jpg

coolwelder62

05-06-2012, 08:31 AM

That and a killer Pantera I've heard about.... :_paranoidThat project may have got voted down.:willy: :willy:

GregWeld

05-06-2012, 09:38 AM

It needs a little more billet.....

that reminds me, We started mocking up your engine today Gae...should be done by your birthday.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/306238_285600558201548_258675467560724_634778_3302 08629_n.jpg

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 09:43 AM

Hey, that looks pretty cool Vince. Looks like you guys have been busy. Can you post pics of the mounts and firewall area.

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 09:44 AM

That project may have got voted down.:willy: :willy:

Any pics of the Pantera?

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 09:46 AM

It needs a little more billet.....

Billet and some.......

Vince@Meanstreets

05-06-2012, 11:45 AM

Hey, that looks pretty cool Vince. Looks like you guys have been busy. Can you post pics of the mounts and firewall area.

not until the frame goes on the table.

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 02:52 PM

not until the frame goes on the table.

So, just a little insite on what Vince is talking about. The roll center on the stock subframes on first gen Camaro's is 2" below ground. Optimum would be 2" above ground. Vince is going to model a subframe with correct geometry on his computer software and we will rebuild accordingly. After Buttonwillow this year we will be modifying my front stock subframe. We will be modifying the attachment points of the control arms, going to a coil over shock, work on recessing an adjustable front sway bar into the underside of the subframe, and then possibly recessing the modified stock subframe into the car approximately 2".

In the mean time...After my last Thunderhill track day in April I changed my front alignment settings and raised my rear roll center by raising the watts pivot. I couldn't wait till July 1st for my next track day so I will be heading back to Thunderhill on May 19th. Target lap times to be in the 2:04's which means I will need to shave at least 2.5 seconds off of a best 2:07.4 last time out.

Oh, and the LS Vince posted, dont believe it. :lol:

coolwelder62

05-06-2012, 02:57 PM

Any pics of the Pantera?The pantera owner was having trouble getting the title right.So I think Albert passed on the car.:_paranoid

Flash68

05-06-2012, 04:40 PM

So, just a little insite on what Vince is talking about. The roll center on the stock subframes on first gen Camaro's is 2" below ground. Optimum would be 2" above ground. Vince is going to model a subframe with correct geometry on his computer software and we will rebuild accordingly. After Buttonwillow this year we will be modifying my front stock subframe. We will be modifying the attachment points of the control arms, going to a coil over shock, work on recessing an adjustable front sway bar into the underside of the subframe, and then possibly recessing the modified stock subframe into the car approximately 2".

In the mean time...After my last Thunderhill track day in April I changed my front alignment settings and raised my rear roll center by raising the watts pivot. I couldn't wait till July 1st for my next track day so I will be heading back to Thunderhill on May 19th. Target lap times to be in the 2:04's which means I will need to shave at least 2.5 seconds off of a best 2:07.4 last time out.

Oh, and the LS Vince posted, dont believe it. :lol:

I wonder... that sounds like a fair amount of work and modification to a stock sub... is it worth it (financially speaking)? I assume the various nice aftermarket subs out there have all this incorporated in, yes?

The pantera owner was having trouble getting the title right.So I think Albert passed on the car.:_paranoid

Man that sucks! I was really excited to see what you did with that Scott. :mad:

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 05:22 PM

I wonder... that sounds like a fair amount of work and modification to a stock sub... is it worth it (financially speaking)? I assume the various nice aftermarket subs out there have all this incorporated in, yes?

Costs will be far less than picking up an after market subframe. The only material items we will need are a bit of steel, a set of double adjustable coil over shocks, and a big maybe on a Chicane kit. I dont see costs going over $1500 and thats including the chicane kit. In addition, time will be on our side as I dont intend on signing up for any events between October and Aptil so Vince will be able to plug in as time allows. I dont think relocating attachment points for the control arms would take more than two days as long as we can keep our noses to the grind stone. lowers will be the easiest as all we will have to do is drill holes and relocate. Uppers will take a little more time as we will have to cut existing attachment point of arm, measure and cut correctly, and then reweld. Shocks will need to be installed at correct operational height and the shock mount tower can be custom or we may do a chicane kit depending on the length of shock dictated in the chicane system. 650 lb coil over springs can be had in a 10" but 700 lb jumps to 12" and I want the 12" option available if needed. My guess is another day on the shock tower assembly.

There is alot of time between now and October and things could change but for now this is the plan.

coolwelder62

05-06-2012, 06:00 PM

It's kinda good thing,Albert wanted a complete tube chassis,& the car completed for SEMA.I'm a getting old and don't think I am up to that task.:willy: :willy: :willy:

SLO_Z28

05-06-2012, 07:21 PM

Hyperco makes 10 inch springs up to 900lbs (which is a little less than I run). Let us know what you come up with, Im curious what you can do.

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 07:45 PM

Hyperco makes 10 inch springs up to 900lbs (which is a little less than I run). Let us know what you come up with, Im curious what you can do.

In a 2 5/8" I.D. coil over? Thats what I'll need for the Afco coil overs. I'll have to look them up.

Track Junky

05-06-2012, 08:11 PM

Hyperco does carry coil over springs in 10" up to 900 lbs but they are 2 1/2" I.D. I imagine 1/8" shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks for letting me know.

Nessumsar

05-07-2012, 12:40 PM

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 12:54 PM

Oh really? ;)

:cheers:

:lol: Yes Jon, I know you've already done this so I will most likely be in touch with you for info when the time comes. :cheers:

GregWeld

05-07-2012, 02:37 PM

Ever heard of the Gulstrand mod??

Just saying'

:cheers:

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 03:39 PM

That will definitely be a piece of the puzzle Greg, at least for the upper arms, but I've heard that the lower arms get raised upward 3/4" and outward 3/4". I'd like to see this all drawn up and explained to me. In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Vince@Meanstreets

05-07-2012, 03:53 PM

Hyperco does carry coil over springs in 10" up to 900 lbs but they are 2 1/2" I.D. I imagine 1/8" shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks for letting me know.

you should not be required to run a high spring rate after all the chassic stiffening we are planning.

Sieg

05-07-2012, 04:11 PM

sik68

05-07-2012, 04:32 PM

So, just a little insite on what Vince is talking about. The roll center on the stock subframes on first gen Camaro's is 2" below ground. Optimum would be 2" above ground. Vince is going to model a subframe with correct geometry on his computer software and we will rebuild accordingly. After Buttonwillow this year we will be modifying my front stock subframe. We will be modifying the attachment points of the control arms, going to a coil over shock, work on recessing an adjustable front sway bar into the underside of the subframe, and then possibly recessing the modified stock subframe into the car approximately 2".

In the mean time...After my last Thunderhill track day in April I changed my front alignment settings and raised my rear roll center by raising the watts pivot. I couldn't wait till July 1st for my next track day so I will be heading back to Thunderhill on May 19th. Target lap times to be in the 2:04's which means I will need to shave at least 2.5 seconds off of a best 2:07.4 last time out.

Oh, and the LS Vince posted, dont believe it. :lol:

That will definitely be a piece of the puzzle Greg, at least for the upper arms, but I've heard that the lower arms get raised upward 3/4" and outward 3/4". I'd like to see this all drawn up and explained to me. In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Sounds like an awesome plan! :bow: And that lexan + decklid are going to be sweet...but I thought it's to offset the weight of a subwoofer?

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 04:47 PM

Gaetano,

I'm assuming you've read this?
http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen_suspension_geome.htm#Geometry

Thanks Sieg, I've scrolled over Dave's stuff quite a few times. I'm pretty sure we will be doing the Guldstrand mod but who knows what else Vince has up his sleeve. 7 months is a lot of time to get ourselves into trouble. :unibrow:

Sounds like an awesome plan! :bow: And that lexan + decklid are going to be sweet.

Thanks Steven. The cool thing is that I will be putting it to the test so we will know for sure what kind of benefeits these changes will make by comparing to this years lap times. :thumbsup:

Sieg

05-07-2012, 07:55 PM

Thanks Sieg, I've scrolled over Dave's stuff quite a few times. I'm pretty sure we will be doing the Guldstrand mod but who knows what else Vince has up his sleeve. 7 months is a lot of time to get ourselves into trouble. :unibrow:
Figured you had that bible, just making sure. I'm watching this very closely as I'm leaning towards a stock subframe, aftermarket arms, coil-overs, and splined bar also. :thumbsup:

Flash68

05-07-2012, 08:01 PM

In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

Off season? There is no off season in CALIFORNIA. :lol:

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 08:39 PM

Off season? There is no off season in CALIFORNIA. :lol:

Thats what you say now.......we'll se how things go after August :lol:

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 09:01 PM

Thanks Sieg, I've scrolled over Dave's stuff quite a few times. I'm pretty sure we will be doing the Guldstrand mod but who knows what else Vince has up his sleeve. 7 months is a lot of time to get ourselves into trouble. :unibrow:

Thanks Steven. The cool thing is that I will be putting it to the test so we will know for sure what kind of benefeits these changes will make by comparing to this years lap times. :thumbsup:

Hey Gae...fun stuff! First impression, GW beat me to posting about the G-Mod. Lower control arm moutning would depend on spindle and (tall) ball joint choice for correct camber curve right? I know you know this, and Vince is a bright mind so I'll be interested to see what you two come up with. :thumbsup:

You already are fast Bro, so while testing new ideas might be fun it could turn into more of a science project than a productive exercise. I hope I'm wrong! :cheers:

Vegas69

05-07-2012, 09:10 PM

That's not what racers do. It's never good enough. Just ask me.:D

Vince@Meanstreets

05-07-2012, 09:17 PM

The term "Off season" is blue collar for 'no budget". LOL

We do what we can with what we can scroung.

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 09:19 PM

That's not what racers do. It's never good enough. Just ask me.:D

I like the way you think...:cool:

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 09:28 PM

That's not what racers do. It's never good enough. Just ask me.:D

Exactly.........thats the trouble with this addiction, we're never satisfied :rolleyes:

The term "Off season" is blue collar for 'no budget". LOL

We do what we can with what we can scroung.

Thanks Vince......that pretty much sums it up. BTW, I have a trade offer for those coil overs, lol.

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 09:42 PM

Hey Gae...fun stuff! First impression, GW beat me to posting about the G-Mod. Lower control arm moutning would depend on spindle and (tall) ball joint choice for correct camber curve right? I know you know this, and Vince is a bright mind so I'll be interested to see what you two come up with. :thumbsup:

You already are fast Bro, so while testing new ideas might be fun it could turn into more of a science project than a productive exercise. I hope I'm wrong! :cheers:

Thanks for the props bro but I dont think I'm fast. I look at guys like Carl Chicca and Dave Brown and think those guys are fast. Although I do think that those guys having the funding and years of track time over me is definitely a contributing factor in their success.

What confuses me.....I look at photos of my car on the track when my Torque Thrusts were on it and my tires look flat on the asphalt and tire wear was even across the fronts. It never pushed either.
Once I through on the vette wheels, lower tubular control arm, and changed my alignment settings everything went to ****. So I'm back to square one. I'm honestly hoping that my alignment setting are the contributing factor to the car pushing. May 19th I'll be running at T-Hill again so I'm hoping the recent changes I made will fix the push.

Fill me in on what you know about moving the lower control arms

intocarss

05-07-2012, 09:47 PM

I have faith in you tracky!!

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 09:51 PM

Thanks Jerry, a couple more track days and I'll have her figured out :thumbsup:

intocarss

05-07-2012, 09:54 PM

The term "Off season" is blue collar for 'no budget". LOL
:rofl: :thumbsup: :rofl:

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 10:15 PM

There's more than changing the lowers going on there I think. First you took a balanced car and played with it - wider tires, spacers, different alignment, different watts link (roll ceneter) settings. I also think the lowers changed the game from where you were as well. Now you're chasing a ghost - it's not there anymore.

The suspension engineers from Dick Guldstrand on have taken the stock sub and gone as far as they can. The vendors each have their version of what works best. Many won't agree w me, but I think in our segment, Corvette geo gets copied most. This gets you to a wider tire and a better camber curve aka contact patch. I'm no engineer, but I don't think that's gonna happen w the stock sub. You also have not yet experimented w a true coil over set up w your favorite shock angle/spring rate/sway bar. All this needs to be dialed in.

There's alot smarter guys on here than me, I'm just just spitballin'...

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 10:26 PM

My understanding is that the Gulstrand mod allows for more camber gain in compression and also will allow for more caster. Tubular control arms give us more caster and camber but not more camber gain in compression which I'm thinking the Guldstrand mod will pick up.
I'm not clear on what moving the lower control arm would do. If I go through it in my head, raising it and moving it out will give more camber gain but what else?

Flash68

05-07-2012, 10:27 PM

Thanks for the props bro but I dont think I'm fast.

I don't either pal. :lol:

There's alot smarter guys on here than me, I'm just just spitballin'...

Well it's a pretty decent matzo ball. :D

Vince@Meanstreets

05-07-2012, 10:35 PM

Thanks for the props bro but I dont think I'm fast. I look at guys like Carl Chicca and Dave Brown and think those guys are fast. Although I do think that those guys having the funding and years of track time over me is definitely a contributing factor in their success.

What confuses me.....I look at photos of my car on the track when my Torque Thrusts were on it and my tires look flat on the asphalt and tire wear was even across the fronts. It never pushed either.
Once I through on the vette wheels, lower tubular control arm, and changed my alignment settings everything went to ****. So I'm back to square one. I'm honestly hoping that my alignment setting are the contributing factor to the car pushing. May 19th I'll be running at T-Hill again so I'm hoping the recent changes I made will fix the push.

Fill me in on what you know about moving the lower control arms

At that time, with so many changes you had made makes it difficult to pin point the cause.

Watts changed your RHC. We have to do the calculations on where you optimum spot will be. Setting up your front end again will allow us to put the front where it needs to be. Right now I suspect your front and rear are fighting each other. We will get there, we need to work together again and get that trust back. Adding a G mod at this time will only complicate things.

Baby steps guys, otherwise expect to pay more for something you may not have needed in the first place.

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 10:39 PM

You're running GW lowers right? Although a fan of their stuff, there's a guy on PT that had a huge proplem w them. He had to change uppers/lowers out to SPCs (Marcus helped him) to get his wheel centered in the well. He also changed his spinde but I don't think that was the problem. IMHO not every vendor's lowers place the spindle/BJ in the same lcoation.

To answer your question, I don't know of any lower that adds caster and most vendors don't advertise their caster/camber changes.

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 10:40 PM

I don't either pal. :lol:

Well it's a pretty decent matzo ball. :D

Hey you're on a roll Bro! See what getting engaged will do to improve your personality? :lol:

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 10:42 PM

...Adding a G mod at this time will only complicate things.

Baby steps guys, otherwise expect to pay more for something you may not have needed in the first place.

Exactly where i was going...:cheers:

Flash68

05-07-2012, 10:45 PM

Hey you're on a roll Bro! See what getting engaged will do to improve your personality? :lol:

Ouch! :rofl:

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 10:52 PM

Ouch! :rofl:

That's your ol' lady pinching you for spending too much time on this site. Welcome to the club...:rofl:

Flash68

05-07-2012, 10:53 PM

That's your ol' lady pinching you for spending too much time on this site. Welcome to the club...:rofl:

Correction. You mean spending too much $$ as a result of this site. :lateral:

Ron in SoCal

05-07-2012, 10:54 PM

Correction. You mean spending too much $$ as a result of this site. :lateral:

Yeah, my old lady gets me for that too...:cheers:

Track Junky

05-07-2012, 10:55 PM

That's your ol' lady pinching you for spending too much time on this site. Welcome to the club...:rofl:

Correction. You mean spending too much $$ as a result of this site. :lateral:

Yes and Yes :willy:

Vince@Meanstreets

05-07-2012, 10:55 PM

Track Junky

05-08-2012, 12:30 AM

At that time, with so many changes you had made makes it difficult to pin point the cause.

Watts changed your RHC. We have to do the calculations on where you optimum spot will be. Setting up your front end again will allow us to put the front where it needs to be. Right now I suspect your front and rear are fighting each other. We will get there, we need to work together again and get that trust back. Adding a G mod at this time will only complicate things.

Baby steps guys, otherwise expect to pay more for something you may not have needed in the first place.

I agree. Too many changes at once. My latest changes have been raising the roll center and changing alignment specs to where they were in the first place. Just need to remember my pyrometer this time.
I've signed up for May 19th with NASA and July 1st with NCRC. Hopefully you'll make it out there. If not, you know I'll have you on speed dial.

intocarss

05-08-2012, 12:54 AM

Someone say Matzo Balls?? :yes:

Track Junky

05-19-2012, 11:20 PM

2:04.9 today at T-Hill in the 3rd session. Made another adjustment for the 4rth session and car felt even better but I broke my timing chain in the second lap down the straight. Chain broke through the bottom of my billet timing cover and landed on my frame rail. More detail later, I'm beat.

Vegas69

05-19-2012, 11:25 PM

Hell yes, man! Good runnin:cheers: Same configuration as the old rich prick?

Sieg

05-19-2012, 11:28 PM

Good work Gaetano! :thumbsup:

Sorry to hear about the chain. :mad:

Flash68

05-19-2012, 11:41 PM

Way to hit your goal.

Sucks on the chain. More power now. :D

So you said you'd have the gopro armed this time?

Vegas69

05-19-2012, 11:45 PM

Way to hit your goal.

Sucks on the chain. More power now. :D

So you said you'd have the gopro armed this time?

I'm sure you can find a used chain on ebay.:lol:

I'll look up the chain Jason recommends Gaetano. I distinctly remember him showing my how nicely the gears and chain mesh.

Flash68

05-19-2012, 11:52 PM

Yeah I told G earlier that this apparently was his way of showing me the damage a chain can cause.

I checked out my chain today. It looks great. :lol:

Vegas69

05-19-2012, 11:57 PM

I don't want to hijack this as I think we should concentrate on the positive but I could be debris that broke the chain.(Roller lifter needle)

Sieg

05-19-2012, 11:58 PM

I'm sure you can find a used chain on ebay.:lol:

I'll look up the chain Jason recommends Gaetano. I distinctly remember him showing my how nicely the gears and chain mesh.

A used Chinese chain should be pretty affordable. :D

Cloyes True-Roller, Jessel belt, or FlashCAR caliber gear drive maybe?

Flash68

05-20-2012, 12:00 AM

I only post in jest because I talked to G earlier and he had a good attitude about it all. Could be a broken cam too. Hopefully nothing major.

Vince@Meanstreets

05-20-2012, 12:32 AM

great times, glad it wasn't a dramatic failure. Hot oil on the headers and front tires is a recipe for disaster.

I hope the front cam gear bolts didn't shear or come loose. That will mean the block maybe damaged.

We got your fix right here.

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/308142/1600893/0/1228204628/Minibike_spare_parts_Chain_link_for_midi_bike.jpg

see you in the morning.

intocarss

05-20-2012, 12:41 AM

Great job on hauling ass :thumbsup: Sorry about the parts failure. Let me know if I can help.

Vegas69

05-20-2012, 12:50 AM

A used Chinese chain should be pretty affordable. :D

Cloyes True-Roller, Jessel belt, or FlashCAR caliber gear drive maybe?

I just checked my blueprint, it's a Cloyes Race Billet set. http://www.jegs.com/i/Cloyes/220/9-3610TX9/10002/-1

sik68

05-20-2012, 10:44 AM

That's flying G way to go! Hope your problems are minor, keep us posted.

Bucketlist2012

05-20-2012, 11:40 AM

Correction. You mean spending too much $$ as a result of this site. :lateral:

Amen... I had never seen Rushforth wheels, and many other parts until I came on this site.. Throw in some coil overs, and A arms , ect..

Seems like I throw money at my car like Confetti..

Confetti made of dead Presidents...

I wouldn't have it any other way..

My Wife ? Oh she would rather I not come on these sites...She knows these cars are expensive to build and she would rather buy purses and shoes..

So I got her her dream car as a flash/Bang grenade to stun and confuse her..

Her rims are more expensive than mine, but that didn't help..

Track Junky

05-20-2012, 08:24 PM

Thanks guy's, it felt like a great accomplishment to be able to hit my mark and knock 2.5 seconds off of my previous best lap time. The beauty of it all is that I know there's more to be had and I think if I could have completed the last session I would have definitely been in the low 4's or high 3's. I'm still trying to better my entries and exits in turn 1 and 8 but the biggest contribution to my faster times was being able to adjust my rear roll center height. My next goal is to get into the 2:02's on 100 TW tires.
I got to the track about 6:30 a.m and parked over by the Chicca crew. This was a NASA event and I was running in the Time Trials group.
My first session out was a wasted session as I only got one hot lap before I heard something dragging underneath my car so I came in to see what it was. My center front spoiler support rod broke free from the spoiler and I was dragging it as it barely held on by the last thread on the bolt that secured to the subframe. That really screwed me because I had nothing to go on as far as making any adjusments for the next session. I still managed a 2:12 and that put me at 32nd on the starting grid for the next session.
2nd session car was pushing mid corner but I still managed a 2:07.6 which bumped me up to 23rd on the starting grid. I adjusted roll center again and took 2 lbs of air out of all 4 tires before the 3rd session.
3rd session is the session I got my 2:04.9. The car felt way more neutral in the early laps but as the tires got hotter I started to lose front grip. I came in after about 5 laps because I knew I wasn't going to get any faster.
Jacked the car back up, raised roll center up one more notch and took two mor lbs of air out of front tires.
4th session 1st lap I already new I hit the sweet spot. Car was just the way I liked it, just a hair loose. 2nd lap I was passing cars that were previously running faster than me. I was stoked!! Whipped around turn 15 and it felt like I was going to push my pedal through the floor board and then about 50' feet before the start finish line I heard a big clunk and the first thing I set my eyes on was the rpm gauge as I hear my car shutting down.........it instantly dropped to zero.
I passed the K-rail and pulled to the right side. A puff of smoke shot up and it smelt like oil. I sat there until the tow trucks pulled up. I asked them if there was oil on the ground and they said yes. I think to myself,"****".
Long story short......timing chain snapped and broke through the bottom of my billet timing cover taking the bottom of the cover with it.

GregWeld

05-20-2012, 08:35 PM

Flash68

05-20-2012, 08:45 PM

Yeah dude what a high and low day! Nice recap. You are gettin fast. :unibrow:

Track Junky

05-20-2012, 08:46 PM

I just checked my blueprint, it's a Cloyes Race Billet set. http://www.jegs.com/i/Cloyes/220/9-3610TX9/10002/-1

Thanks Todd, $150 plus another billet cover would be a blessing. I'm hoping I dont have any bent valves or marred piston tops.

Track Junky

05-20-2012, 08:52 PM

Thanks for sharing -- I was "living it" while reading. I love that track!

Sorry about the broken chain... that sucks. Hope it didn't bend any valves etc. No cam spinning around and pistons pumping up and down doesn't make a very good combination!

Hope it's just a chain and cover.

Thanks Greg. Dropped the car off at Vinces this morning and I'll probably head down middle of the week to start the tear down.

Yeah dude what a high and low day! Nice recap. You are gettin fast. :unibrow:

Thanks bro!! I'm kinda feelin' it now.....just need the wheel time :unibrow:

Sieg

05-20-2012, 09:04 PM

Thanks Todd, $150 plus another billet cover would be a blessing. I'm hoping I dont have any bent valves or marred piston tops.

I'm thinking positive for you. :thumbsup:

Track Junky

05-20-2012, 09:15 PM

I'm thinking positive for you. :thumbsup:

Thanks Bro :thumbsup: :cheers:

Track Junky

05-20-2012, 11:40 PM

Way to hit your goal.

Sucks on the chain. More power now. :D

So you said you'd have the gopro armed this time?

GoPros are P'sOS!! Thats all I got to say about that! :mad:

FETorino

05-21-2012, 12:14 AM

sixnina

05-21-2012, 12:42 AM

Awesome driving, hope everything turns out ok with the motor.

Flash68

05-21-2012, 01:43 AM

GoPros are P'sOS!! Thats all I got to say about that! :mad:

Come on dude... if the light ain't flashing, it ain't on! :willy:

I think you just don't wanna show us your driving. :lol:

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 08:14 AM

Congratulations on making your goal on the track. Sounds like you were on your way to crushing it if the motor hadn't let go. :hail:

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you but don't be surprised to find some vale carnage. Expect the worse hope for the best. :thumbsup:

Thanks bud, words to live by :thumbsup:

Awesome driving, hope everything turns out ok with the motor.

Thanks nina :thumbsup:

Come on dude... if the light ain't flashing, it ain't on! :willy:

I think you just don't wanna show us your driving. :lol:

I charged it the night before, set it to default on video......in the morning before my sessions I turned it on, double checking that it was in video mode.....twice I had to reset it to video........after every session i went to turn it off and it turned off by its self..........who knows when!! I haven't checked the SD card yet because I left the camera in the car at Vinces but my guess is there wont be anything worth sharing.
The next video you see from me will be from my digital camera........taking a single jack to the gopro in front of there headquarters in Halfmoon Bay :yes:

Sieg

05-21-2012, 08:52 AM

Not saying your GoPro is working properly, but I've sold 50+ with very few issues. When I had an issue with my first gen camera they handled it very efficiently and sent a new camera. The menu system is complex and due to the camera's size it's challenging, especially for me because without reading glasses I can't see it.

I'd download the pdf version of the instructions and print out in 8.5 x 11 and read the key elements. Then make sure the latest firmware is loaded, reset the camera to factory defaults. You may want to set the camera to one button feature that turns it on and starts recording in the selected mode with one touch of the shutter button.

They aren't perfect but they do have millions of satisfied customers and the company's rate of growth is relatively impressive.

If it still isn't functioning to your satifaction I'd send it to GoPro to confirm it doesn't have a glitch.

Vegas69

05-21-2012, 08:54 AM

Mines been doing the same thing Gaetano. I tend to agree with Sieg, it's a set up thing with a timer to shut it off, I just haven't had a chance to look into it.

GregWeld

05-21-2012, 09:01 AM

Buy a Contour GPS.... it's so much easier to use.

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 09:16 AM

I still have the box and the directions. I set it up again just like I did when I first started using it. I'm thinking maybe something happens to them in time.....battery malfunction.....something.
It's time to step up a notch.....I want something with a remote that I can turn on in the dash area......too much of a pain to have to turn around with my belts and helmet on.
I think Greg is right.....GPS is the way to go. I want to be able to see my speeds in turns, g-forces, etc

Vince@Meanstreets

05-21-2012, 10:53 AM

Come on dude... if the light ain't flashing, it ain't on! :willy:

I think you just don't wanna show us your driving. :lol:

I would compare his wheel work to a large midwestern woman churning butter...yes I have seen both. LOL

I haven't checked the SD card yet because I left the camera in the car at Vinces but my guess is there wont be anything worth sharing.
oh, not wise to leave a camera or video recording device with the Meanstreets bunch...you might get unwanted footage. LOL

Sieg

05-21-2012, 11:23 AM

With the Contour's Bluetooth app you can use a smart phone as your dash controller..........handy. http://contour.com/software/mobile/overview

I'm not sure what the data logging capabilities are though....their site is vague.

The Contour+ may be the way to go with the external microphone and 170* field of view features. http://contour.com/products/compare_cameras

Flash68

05-21-2012, 12:18 PM

If you want a real system get something like a Traqmate. I want one of those in the coming years.

Sieg

05-21-2012, 12:24 PM

If you want a real system get something like a Traqmate. I want one of those in the coming years.
+1 :yes:

sik68

05-21-2012, 12:52 PM

Gaetano let me know the next time you're out on track and I'll mail my contour 1080p to you ahead of time so you can test the brand out for yourself. Like GW said it's super easy to use, especially with gloves on which is nice. The best camera you have is the camera that works!

I must say though the newest Gopro's have killer in-car video quality and external mic jack. Both are features I envy with my current Contour, but Contour ease of use has been a session-saver many times.

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 01:33 PM

I would compare his wheel work to a large midwestern woman churning butter...yes I have seen both. LOL

oh, not wise to leave a camera or video recording device with the Meanstreets bunch...you might get unwanted footage. LOL

Vince, check and see if I recorded anything other than the rear of my trailor

Gaetano let me know the next time you're out on track and I'll mail my contour 1080p to you ahead of time so you can test the brand out for yourself. Like GW said it's super easy to use, especially with gloves on which is nice. The best camera you have is the camera that works!

I must say though the newest Gopro's have killer in-car video quality and external mic jack. Both are features I envy with my current Contour, but Contour ease of use has been a session-saver many times.

Thanks Steven. Does the Contour have data overlay?

sik68

05-21-2012, 01:56 PM

Vince, check and see if I recorded anything other than the rear of my trailor

Thanks Steven. Does the Contour have data overlay?

No it's camera only. Greg's Roam has a built in GPS but only he can tell you if it logs fast enough for car data collection.

Short of a higher end data collector like traqmate or VBox which do like 10Hz or 20Hz+ acquisition, the best I have come up with is to use my Ipod/Iphone and Emprum Ultimate GPS (https://www.emprum.com/), which is an accessory that plugs into the port and takes the acquisition rate from 1Hz to 5Hz. The App to use is Harry's Laptimer (http://www.gps-laptimer.de/Home.html) which has all the tracks built in.

I haven't had a track day to test all this, but I think it's the most affordable way to get full video & data logging.

Camera (Contour or GoPro or other)
+Iphone/Ipod touch (iphones and newer ipods can take their own video so you won't need a separate camera. Chad does this but I don't know if he has an external receiver?).

+Emprum Receiver

+Harrys Laptimer

So it's a lot of stuff to piecemeal together... I know Asif does data overlays all the time, do you remember what he has?

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 01:57 PM

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 02:00 PM

I know Asif does data overlays all the time, do you remember what he has?

Thats right, I'm going to give him a call....Thanks bud

GregWeld

05-21-2012, 02:15 PM

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 02:31 PM

My Contour GPS does SPEED and shows location on the track so you can see all your MPH as you go round....

I use my GTechPro RR for the other data... and it is also GPS enabled and can be set up to show split times as you want. And it will track RPM's and G's etc.

Interesting...I just finished talking with Asif and he just picked up the Traqmate but hasn't used it yet. He also recommended Smartycam. I went into the Smartycam site for a bit and so far I like what I see.

intocarss

05-21-2012, 10:53 PM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/video-camera1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/thumbnail.jpg

GregWeld

05-21-2012, 11:09 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^ Perfect!!

Track Junky

05-21-2012, 11:51 PM

Duck tape fits my budget :lol:

Vegas69

05-22-2012, 12:05 AM

Was this the same configuration Weld ran?

Track Junky

05-22-2012, 12:10 AM

Weld ran turn 5 cyclone which is at most about 4 seconds slower.

Vegas69

05-22-2012, 12:21 AM

So by fuzzy math he's within a second of you. Sounds like he needs to go back to Bondurant for a few more lessons. :unibrow:

Track Junky

05-22-2012, 12:27 AM

That cant be right, if thats true I need to go to Bondurant :lol:

Track Junky

05-22-2012, 12:36 AM

Seriously though, I can always tell where I lack after a track day and in the past been able to call out what my next times will be. From what I experienced this last time around and judging from car feel and which turns I lack in I should be able to get to 2:00 minute lap times. I'm prettty darn sure that will be the limit on 100 tw tires.

Vegas69

05-22-2012, 12:56 AM

Greg said he ran 2:10 and you ran 2:04.9.

Track Junky

05-22-2012, 01:19 AM

I just flipped back to his thread and he said 2:12.04(post #261). If we account for the 4 seconds at the cyclone(turn 5) then he would be 3.5 seconds slower, not to mention his car is already sorted. :unibrow:
Still a good lap time though considering the amount of wheel time he's had and still room to improve..

Flash68

05-22-2012, 01:36 AM

I can't wait til we are all on the same track at the same time. :woot:

Vegas69

05-22-2012, 12:00 PM

I read a 2:10....:D

GregWeld

05-22-2012, 12:26 PM

Yeah. My best time recorded was a 2:10

You DB's better pick up the pace....

Vegas69

05-22-2012, 12:29 PM

I can't wait til we are all on the same track at the same time. :woot:

Never happen.:lol:

sik68

05-22-2012, 12:39 PM

I'm comparing Dave Brown Thunderhill videos cyclone vs. bypass and to me, the difference looks like a hair over 2s (not in lap times, just segment times of completing the corner).

Cyclone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0HDJlbbK74
vs
Bypass: http://youtu.be/yT7AADEXgGE

What do you guys think?

intocarss

05-22-2012, 01:14 PM

I think once Tracky gets the secondaries on the carb working, He'll run like a raped ape

Flash68

05-22-2012, 01:19 PM

I think once Tracky gets the secondaries on the carb working, He'll run like a raped ape

Tracky has peaked. :lol:

GregWeld

05-22-2012, 01:20 PM

I think everyone is trying to make all of us here into pro race car drivers... which is complete bs...

We're all just out having fun. I don't drive my car 10/10ths.... I'm coasting down the straights... I'm not running hard through turn 2... I'm not trying to get air going over turn 9.

Ya can't compare videos with someone trying to push the last 10th out of a run to people that are just out for a great day of driving fun cars.

Mark "the Stig" Steilow could take my Mustang and drop 10 seconds out of it in the first lap. I'm not Mark. :rofl:

Flash68

05-22-2012, 01:24 PM

I have a feeling you were a lot more competitive in your younger days Gregorio. You've pulled into the far right lane now. :unibrow:

I'm coasting down the straights...

I watched you run. You were hauling ass and not coasting. :thumbsup:

bdahlg68

05-22-2012, 01:36 PM

I'm not trying to get air going over turn 9.

:geezer:

Flash68

05-22-2012, 01:39 PM

:geezer:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

intocarss

05-22-2012, 01:40 PM