69 Camaro at Best of Show

[GregWeld]

Larger bore master cylinder means more fluid volume to the calipers with less pedal stroke. I got my 1" master back on tonight. All I need to do is bleed all four corners and go for a ride. Hang in there a few days.

What a larger bore master REALLY MEANS is that you'll MAKE LESS PRESSURE per pound of pressure exerted on the pedal (given equal pedal ratios)... and have a harder pedal feel vs. the 7/8" master.

Some people prefer a harder pedal. :D

The amount of movement at the pistons in the bore at the caliper would only back fluid up into the reservoir of the M/C, because it would arrive there (back flow) prior to having anything to do with the piston/stroke etc of the M/C. It's an open chamber without engagement of the stroke of the piston.

Can't fix the KB issue via the M/C. You're going to have to fix the flex / root causation.

[GregWeld]

Just a PS...

The very reason that under floor mounted M/C's REQUIRE residual valves to be installed is for the reason I stated above... the simple laws of gravity will allow the fluid to flow back into the M/C reservoir and overflow it without them!

10# valves for drum brakes

2# valves for discs

I still wonder if these valves wouldn't "help" (not cure) the KB issues on the discs you guys are using. If it's okay to drive around in a hot rod with under floor M/C using them (2#'s) it can't be an issue... Right? So maybe the 2# valves would make it a little better? Anyone?

[Vegas69]

It doesn't fix the knockback, it simply covers it up. There is a reason factory cars come with power brakes. It's not all pedal effort. A 2# residual valve didn't help mine. It's still in there. 10 pounds makes me nervous.

[Stielow]

Just a PS...

The very reason that under floor mounted M/C's REQUIRE residual valves to be installed is for the reason I stated above... the simple laws of gravity will allow the fluid to flow back into the M/C reservoir and overflow it without them!

10# valves for drum brakes

2# valves for discs

I still wonder if these valves wouldn't "help" (not cure) the KB issues on the discs you guys are using. If it's okay to drive around in a hot rod with under floor M/C using them (2#'s) it can't be an issue... Right? So maybe the 2# valves would make it a little better? Anyone?

We have tried the 2 pound and 10 pound residual pressure valves on other cars with knock back issues and it did not work.

My last 7 cars have had this problem....
Tri Trip
Red Witch
Thrasher
Mule
Camaro X
Jackass
Red Devil (The knock back is good on this car but it is still new)

I'm very close to going to a full floater to solve all this problems.

Knock Back
Oil leaking tube ends

But it induces some problems of ABS sensors, park brake system, wheels, cost and complexity

I have gotten used to left foot braking to pump up the brakes going down the straights. :rolleyes:

The standard tapered roller bearing Ford big bearing seems to have about .020" - .050" end play after track use. This is what causes knock back of opposed piston calipers (4 piston).

I'm going to work on a better design to help fix the problem.

Stielow

[Vegas69]

Have you tried shimming the race out to put more pre load on the bearing? I've got some .010 shims coming right now. I'm going to measure the rotating torque before and after if and when I install them.

[Cris@JCG]

Mark- The bearing issue has eveybody looking for a solution.. I got two things I am working on that might help..

Working on designing a housing end that will use angular contact call bearings & doubling them up with a beefed up bearing retainer.. In theory it should have about .001 to .002 end play...

Have a meeting next week with Kenny Sapper from Speedway Engineering.. Working on getting a Street/Race floater built.. The parking brake will be challenge.. rotor adapter is easy.. can even float the rotor..


We have tried the 2 pound and 10 pound residual pressure valves on other cars with knock back issues and it did not work.

My last 7 cars have had this problem....
Tri Trip
Red Witch
Thrasher
Mule
Camaro X
Jackass
Red Devil (The knock back is good on this car but it is still new)

I'm very close to going to a full floater to solve all this problems.

Knock Back
Oil leaking tube ends

But it induces some problems of ABS sensors, park brake system, wheels, cost and complexity

I have gotten used to left foot braking to pump up the brakes going down the straights. :rolleyes:

The standard tapered roller bearing Ford big bearing seems to have about .020" - .050" end play after track use. This is what causes knock back of opposed piston calipers (4 piston).

I'm going to work on a better design to help fix the problem.

Stielow

[Payton King]

about building me a floater as well. I am going to for go the parking brake as mine does not work worth a crap now.

[Matt@BOS]

Cris, would a single piston parking brake from Brembo help simplify the issue of putting one on a full floater?

Matt

[ccracin]

an oil seal they use on circle track cars that installs near the center section to keep the oil from roping down the axle or running down the tube. Use that coupled with the seal that is suppose to be behind the bearing and you should be good.

Have you checked the housing for straightness in a jig?

Just a note on the inner axle seals. DO NOT USE THEM! I went through several manufacturers of them when I raced circle track. In every case oil would get past the seal and fill up the right axle tube and trap the oil there. This then starves the center section for lube. Luckily it never bit me, but several people lost several gear sets until this was figured out. They were used in our case not to solve a leak as we used full floaters. We needed to keep the lube from leaving the gear set and traveling up the tube and starving the bearings. In the end it actually magnified the problem over time. I will never use them again!

[GregWeld]

I put a single disc parking brake on my Ford 9" --- bolts onto the yoke -- has a hand brake style lever - it's own disc (tiny) -- it's a PARKING BRAKE not an "emergency brake".


http://www.tsmmfg.com/Pinion_Mounted_Parking_Brakes.htm


Mark -- Good info on the residual valves not working. I didn't think they would because that's not really their job... but thought maybe it might help.



Gonzo -- Can I tell ya sumthin.... :rofl:

[Cris@JCG]

I will keep you in mind when working on a floater.. whose parking brake do you have now??


about building me a floater as well. I am going to for go the parking brake as mine does not work worth a crap now.

As long it is a floating caliper.. In the long run it will be be the cheapest solution..


Cris, would a single piston parking brake from Brembo help simplify the issue of putting one on a full floater?

Matt

[Payton King]

Not their fault as it is a good design. Using Lokar hand e brake. Not enough throw or leverage.

[GregWeld]

I discovered a miracle fix for all these axle leaking brake knockback issues!!!!


A set of 6.70 X 15 - 2 ply nylon tires like we used to run on the mid year Corvettes....

Never experienced any issues back in the day!


EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[makindue84]

GregWeld. I think that a set of 6.70 X 15 - 2 ply nylon tires will be effective in our car. :D I hope there will be no issues back then. :D

[Matt@BOS]

Well, I took the car out to the track last week with the group that went out to Adam's Motorsports park in Riverside. The track is pretty much just a big kart track, which isn't such a bad thing as it's quite technical and has got a good mix of turns. All of the changes we made to the car made a huge difference - I mean a night and day difference. The car might understeer a little turning in now, but it's not bad at all. Exiting corners is insanely easy the way it is set up too. I can almost plant the gas and take off, when it's almost straight I can let it go wide open, and the car will step out just enough to straighten out. Then it just goes. The only issue I had was bad pad knockback issues. I had to tap the brakes once to get reasonable feel back, and twice to get the pedal all the way back to the top. On my last lap I forgot to tap the brakes up after a long straight and the pedal fell almost to the floor, needless to say, I put the front two wheels off track.

So, I've been talking to Cris G and his Wilwood friends, as well as Tobin at Kore 3 and have decided to try a somewhat affordable solution to lessen the apparent knockback. For now, I'm just going to go with a C6 Z51 rear brake setup and see how it works. It's a floating rear caliper, and I don't think I need the huge 4 piston setup on there now. It's not like I'm doing any serious, sustained roadracing, and even then I ran a Z51 'Vette at Bondurant, and never really noticed the brakes fading badly. If I'm not happy with that I'll swap to a 1" bore master and if the problem still persists I'll try the SET20 bearings that are shipping on Moser's axles now. I also decided to swap pads to the Hawk HP+ instead of the ceramics because the ceramics don't have much of an initial bite to them, especially when using manual brakes.

If none of this works, I think I'll be going Greg's route and getting a pair of 6.70 x 15s or maybe I can trade Doug for his rear drum brakes.

Matt

[DFRESH]

Hey, those are "Bear" one-off self energizing rear drum brakes on my car. Just need to paint those drums red. That's the one and only problem I don't have on the car, pad knock back.

You sure looked good out at Adams track---car sounded great also---

Doug

[The WidowMaker]

which ceramic pads were you running? did you ever run the stock padlets? what size master are you running on the rear now. i set mine up with 1" front and 7/8" rear for my manual c6z brakes. i hope i dont need another 1".

[Matt@BOS]

which ceramic pads were you running? did you ever run the stock padlets? what size master are you running on the rear now. i set mine up with 1" front and 7/8" rear for my manual c6z brakes. i hope i dont need another 1".

Right now I've got the Hawk Ceramics on the car, which I ordered along with my brakes two years ago, way before I picked out a master cylinder, so I never ran the stock padlets.. When it came time to get a master cylinder Dick at Best of Show recommended the Wilwood 7/8" tandem piece, after all, it worked great for Steve on Bad Penny.

I really don't know enough about brakes to tell how your setup will work. I also don't know what you intend to do with the car, what other components you have, or how you like the car to feel under braking. For me, at least on a track, I like to have firm pedal feel with a bit of initial bite, which I think acts as feedback to help tell me how much I can modulate the brakes. Currently my combo gives me a little bit of squish in the brakes, even after a tap, then as I hit the brakes hard the car does decelerate well, but does so in a real smooth manner, especially with the DSE sub which doesn't allow for much front end dive at all. The feel of stopping in my Camaro is different than any other car I've driven, because despite the fact that the brakes really grab, you're never really able easily feel how much pedal travel you have until you lock the fronts up, and you can't judge how hard you're braking by weight transfer because the car doesn't dip down or lift up noticeably. Long story short, I'd give Tobin a call. If you tell him what you're after, he will be able to name all of the components you might need to set up the system exactly the way you want it to feel.

Matt

Oh, and before I forget... Doug how is your car doing? have you had time to fix the rear coilovers? I'm pretty set on heading back up to Adam's Motorsports Park Tues. Aug 10th and was wondering if you would be up for another track outing. If you're not ready but want to go you're welcome to ride shotgun.

[The WidowMaker]

thanks for the info matt. i looked back through the thread for the answers, but as you know its pretty long. tobin set me up with the brakes and he recommended the 1" front and 7/8" rear for my triple master setup. i am running the tapered bearing, so i hope i wont have any issues. oh, and my intentions are to run with you local guys when this damn thing is done......

have you thought about the carbotech pads? expensive, but the z guys seem to love them.

Tim

[Steve1968LS2]

I still wonder if these valves wouldn't "help" (not cure) the KB issues on the discs you guys are using.

RP valves won't help knock back at all.. Think about how little two pounds (or even 10 lbs) of force is.. almost nothing.

Sure, they will stop fluid from gravity flowing backwards but they arn't going to stop piston knockback at all.

And you're right, you can't stop knockback with a MC.

Knockback is a mechanical issue, not a hyd/fluid one. Physical forces are acting on the caliper and pushing the pistons (by way of the pads) back into the calipers. The first pump of your brake pedal resetst the pad to the rotor and the next "pump" works the brakes.

The basic truth is that our axle ends aren't designed to handle high side loading like we get in autocross or road racing. If your axle tube is off center or warped then the problem is compounded.

A floating rear caliper will help mask the problem of the bearing/axle tube. If you want a rear fixed caliper then you need to

1) make sure your rear housing is as straight as possible to take pressure off the bearing
2) service your bearing on a regular basis (when it gets play in it)
3) Move to a stronger system like a floater or such
4) Move to a stronger bearing than can handle the forces involved better

Once I had my rear housing done by Currie my KB issue was nearly solved. But I'm sure it will creep back with more laps and require a bearing service.

[DOOM]

Well I was going to ask what causes this now I know. It seems like this is something thats going to take awhile if at all to figure out. I'm very new to this stuff but one question I have is, how do they deal with this on the ZO6 and ZR1 Corvette's or any car that has this type of setup for that matter??

[Steve1968LS2]

Well I was going to ask what causes this now I know. It seems like this is something thats going to take awhile if at all to figure out. I'm very new to this stuff but one question I have is, how do they deal with this on the ZO6 and ZR1 Corvette's or any car that has this type of setup for that matter??

Those car's arn't running live axle rears.. :)

And most production cars have floating calipers. The rest have designs that don't lend themselves to movement like we have.

[Matt@BOS]

Steve, are you running a True-trac?

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

So I was going to keep a couple things a bit of a secret, but when Dick sent me this picture I just wanted to share it. Keep in mind it isn't done, and several parts of the design will be tweaked before it goes to paint, but even now I don't think it looks half bad.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/Unnamed.jpg

Matt

[GregWeld]

Matt -- That's funny -- Squealin' on yourself!

Looks good!

[tones2SS]

Nice hood Matt!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Gandalf]

Saw it at the shop today Matt - looked real nice. However, you can't have a hood like that and NOT have a twin-turbo setup wanting to be cooled by those vents!

I'm just sayin'. :-)

[Steve1968LS2]

Saw it at the shop today Matt - looked real nice. However, you can't have a hood like that and NOT have a twin-turbo setup wanting to be cooled by those vents!

I'm just sayin'. :-)

Ohh.. I could build him a twin-turbo 454.. ONE BILLION HORSEPOWER!!!!!! (in Dr Evil voice)

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, are you running a True-trac?

Matt

Nah.. my car is low buck so I'm running a GM f-body pulley system.. ;)

Edit.. sorry, you meant the diff.. yea, running a Detroit TruTrac...

[DFRESH]

Matt, the hood looks awesome bro---can't wait to see what it looks like on the car----bet you can't either---

Doug

[phillym5]

Looking sweet Matt!

[waynieZ]

Looks Nice Matt.

[speedshftr]

whats the latest on the insurance deal?your hood is fricken unreal.super job there doing on it:thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

whats the latest on the insurance deal?your hood is fricken unreal.super job there doing on it:thumbsup:

The insurance deal should be sorted out soon. I think there has been total of four independent adjusters who have been assigned to work on the car. I know I posted it somewhere, but there was a total idiot (2nd adjuster) who never showed up, then there was a third guy who seemed ok, and finally a fourth guy that told Dick he would get his initial estimate in the 40-45k range so that we could get started and only have to invoice a few materials. I'm hoping we get a check at the end of next week, due to Labor Day and everything, things have been a bit slow. Still I'm a little upset that it will be about a month before we get a check, especially because we're shooting for a deadline. I guess I can't complain too much as long as I get paid though. I'll update the insurance thread when we hear back from Hagerty next week.

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

Oh, I almost forgot to mention something, I just bought a set of these pedals: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TIL-72-603/?rtype=10

they'll require a little bit of fabrication work, but we're going to be putting down bars (is that the right term?) on this time so we're modifying the firewall anyway. I'm a little surprised I've only seen Tilton's pedal assemblies on a few cars, because this setup is uber trick. Everything is adjustable from the pedal ratio to the to the position of the throttle cable linkage and position of the pedals. I got it for two main reasons, the first being that I hated the Lokar gas pedal assembly, which pivots between the pedal and arm, and IMO just sucks. It's hard to heel-toe easily with it because when I roll my foot over it just moves the top of the pedal via the spring at doesn't blip the throttle. The Lokar pedal was also miles closer to the firewall than the brake pedal adding to the difficulties. The second reason I got it is because it provides different front and rear master cylinders, so I can run a 7/8 front and 15/16 or 1" rear m/c to hopefully alleviate some of the knock back feel.

Matt

[ironworks]

Those Tilton pedals are nice. Tyler bought some for his camaro.

[Steve1968LS2]

Those Tilton pedals are nice. Tyler bought some for his camaro.

Very nice.. but adjusting to the floor mounted pedals is tough..

[speedshftr]

i never like the floor mounts it reminds me of a vw.im sure you will get used to them though.they do look sharp

[Ron in SoCal]

Very nice.. but adjusting to the floor mounted pedals is tough..

Sort of...I mean it is a very different feel. If you've ever driven a Porsche, you do get acclimated quick. I actually prefer it.

I also agree w Matt's assessment of the throttle position relative to the brakes.

[Flash68]

So I was going to keep a couple things a bit of a secret, but when Dick sent me this picture I just wanted to share it. Keep in mind it isn't done, and several parts of the design will be tweaked before it goes to paint, but even now I don't think it looks half bad.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/Unnamed.jpg

Matt

Dude that is so sick! :thumbsup:

Sort of...I mean it is a very different feel. If you've ever driven a Porsche, you do get acclimated quick. I actually prefer it.

I also agree w Matt's assessment of the throttle position relative to the brakes.

Yeah I would think those would feel weird... they look sweet though.

What Porsche did you have? My 996 surely didn't feel or look like these. Felt very typical.

[Ron in SoCal]

993 C4s. Sweet car, very predictable to run on the edge. Sure the Tiltons are different, but it's the same concept compared to the first gen set up/realtive throttle location for heel/toe. Maybe I should adapt a Porsche set-up instead? :question:

[Payton King]

you are going to mount the pedals. I would guess the masters would come through the toe kick of the floor...on my car it would hit the headers.

I am runnng a twin master and ended up with .70 front and .75 rear master. Wilwood super lights 6 piston front and 4 piston rear.

Hood is fantastic!

[Matt@BOS]

you are going to mount the pedals. I would guess the masters would come through the toe kick of the floor...on my car it would hit the headers.

I am runnng a twin master and ended up with .70 front and .75 rear master. Wilwood super lights 6 piston front and 4 piston rear.

Hood is fantastic!

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what we're going to do. I was looking at the pedals, and the floor yesterday we're going to have to cut the floor as it starts to angle up to the firewall. It could be simple, or Dick might end up cutting a fair amount of stuff, probably the latter. I think the master's could fit inside the the cabin as long as the reservoirs are mounted remotely. Not sure on what sizes to run yet, maybe 15/16.

Oh, and would anyone know the specs for the T56 clutch/master?

Matt

[syborg tt]

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what we're going to do. I was looking at the pedals, and the floor yesterday we're going to have to cut the floor as it starts to angle up to the firewall. It could be simple, or Dick might end up cutting a fair amount of stuff, probably the latter. I think the master's could fit inside the the cabin as long as the reservoirs are mounted remotely. Not sure on what sizes to run yet, maybe 15/16.

Oh, and would anyone know the specs for the T56 clutch/master?

Matt

You can always do it like Bob did on his cuda. There not remote but they offer a remote option

http://g-forcecuda.com/albums/2006PowerTour/2006_06_03_Power_Tour_08.sized.jpg

[phillym5]

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what we're going to do. I was looking at the pedals, and the floor yesterday we're going to have to cut the floor as it starts to angle up to the firewall. It could be simple, or Dick might end up cutting a fair amount of stuff, probably the latter. I think the master's could fit inside the the cabin as long as the reservoirs are mounted remotely. Not sure on what sizes to run yet, maybe 15/16.

Oh, and would anyone know the specs for the T56 clutch/master?

Matt

I stopped by Best of Show today for a bit....
Wow.. i trip out everytime i see your ride..lol.
I'm interested in the same pedal set up... so once the guys get it dialed on yours... Im next!! Thanks for being the guinea pig!! :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

I stopped by Best of Show today for a bit....
Wow.. i trip out everytime i see your ride..lol.
I'm interested in the same pedal set up... so once the guys get it dialed on yours... Im next!! Thanks for being the guinea pig!! :cheers:

Yeah, no problem haha. I'm going to warn you though, the more I think about this, the more of a pain I think it is going to be. There's a chance we might not even have time to get the pedals figured out due to time constraints. BTW I don't know if you saw the new hood in person, but If you're interested in letting out some hot air, seeing as you have a pair of hair dryers hidden under the hood, you might want to think about one. I did all the guinea pig work on that too :lol:

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

We've been making some good progress on the car, and we intend to have the car done in mid November in case we happen to win Muscle Machine of the year. I never figured in a million years that we would ever be in the running for such a thing when we got this car several years ago.

Dick has been thrashing away on this car, and it will be coming together pretty quickly. It's kind of like last year all over again.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0700.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0701.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0704.jpg

Dick and I (mostly Dick) have been trying to figure out the floor mount pedal, and it looks like they are going to be a royal pain. The clutch master needs to go exactly where the frame rail bends up on the subframe. In order to be close to making them work we're going to have to have the drivers seat way back and move the steering column closer so everything will still be within reach. I might have to go with a set of hanging pedals if everything fails.

*edit* found some pictures of the pedals.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop044.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop043.jpg

Matt

[Teetoe_Jones]

You know what you should get?

These:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hdtv89.jpg

These are new from Anvil- 1969 Camaro rear 1/4 gill scoops. They work as brake ducts if you open the panel gills up like you have done.

Just sayin'. Food for thought. Operators are standing by.

Tyler

[96z28ss]

You know what you should get?

These:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hdtv89.jpg

These are new from Anvil- 1969 Camaro rear 1/4 gill scoops. They work as brake ducts if you open the panel gills up like you have done.

Just sayin'. Food for thought. Operators are standing by.

Tyler

interesting can we get a pic of them on a car?

[Ron in SoCal]

You know what you should get?

These:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hdtv89.jpg

These are new from Anvil- 1969 Camaro rear 1/4 gill scoops. They work as brake ducts if you open the panel gills up like you have done.

Just sayin'. Food for thought. Operators are standing by.

Tyler

D*mn you, Tyler. Now I'm never gonna get my car done!

(sweet parts)

[Matt@BOS]

You know what you should get?

These:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hdtv89.jpg

These are new from Anvil- 1969 Camaro rear 1/4 gill scoops. They work as brake ducts if you open the panel gills up like you have done.

Just sayin'. Food for thought. Operators are standing by.

Tyler

Bitchin' those are very bold sir, perhaps too bold for anyone without blue hair. Still, I like them. Only problem is those would sort of stick out, and my car is about being a little over the top - albeit in the most understated way possible. Besides, the ones we made could be functional, although I sort of gave up on making them work after I realized the cooling ducts would have to be routed through the inside of the car to get behind the 335 tires.

Any other parts you're planning on? Maybe a hood with vents on either side of the cowl?

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

Update: More progress from the end of last week/weekend. After pulling out more of the interior my usefulness is approaching its end. Luckily though, Dick is ready to fit the quarter, and soon it is off to the paint shop. In fact, someone has already been busy prepping parts...

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0712.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0713.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0715.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0716.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0720.jpg

and of course, your daily dose of carbon fiber: http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0718.jpg

Matt

[OLDFLM]

Looking good my friend! You'll be back on the road in no time now! :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Glad to see it going back together Matt. Thats some sweet progress.

[tones2SS]

Very good to see you guys making some progress. She'll be better than new in no time.:thumbsup:

[The WidowMaker]

dude that sickens me to see all that paint sanded off. i hope to see it back in action soon!!!

[Matt@BOS]

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0705-1.jpg

[bonecrrusher]

http://stylee32.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/OhSnap.gif

[ironworks]

So Did you get the phone call from Goodguys today? I think they announce who won the of the Year awards today?

[Matt@BOS]

So Did you get the phone call from Goodguys today? I think they announce who won the of the Year awards today?

:_paranoid no...!? I haven't heard anything from them yet. On the good-guys site it says the winner is announced Friday. Not sure when they let me know, maybe I just have to go to the website. Dick made sure to send pictures over to Kyle to let him know we will be ready if we have to be. Oh the anticipation of not knowing. :willy:

Matt

[ironworks]

I will see if I can get an inside scoop for ya. I know another fellow board member won an of the year award already. But it does not go public till friday.

[HWY Nova]

I will see if I can get an inside scoop for ya. I know another fellow board member won an of the year award already. But it does not go public till friday.

Have your people talk to my people..............

How many "_______ of the Year" awards are there?



--Eric

[ironworks]

Have your people talk to my people..............

How many "_______ of the Year" awards are there?



--Eric

12 but I think they only had 9 winners this year. Jerry Magnuson's 32 went over pretty well you might say.

[HWY Nova]

12 but I think they only had 9 winners this year. Jerry Magnuson's 32 went over pretty well you might say.

Speaking of Jerry...... You never told me how your trip went to Magna Charger.


--Eric

[HWY Nova]

Hey Matt,

Got any more progress pics on the hood?


--Eric

[syborg tt]

Have your people talk to my people..............
--Eric

You got People how do I get People

[Payton King]

and can I get some more pics of the pedal fab?

[Matt@BOS]

Hey Matt,

Got any more progress pics on the hood?


--Eric

I've got one picture! The hood is coming along, albeit kind of slowly because I wasn't as clear as I could have been on the design so Jeff had to go back a second time and rework some parts. The aluminum didn't really want to cooperate to begin with, and with something this thin, it was a bit of a nightmare to keep warping to a minimum, so as you can see, it is taking some time to straighten it out.

I would love to have a hood like this in carbon *cough*Tyler*cough*

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0708.jpg

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

and can I get some more pics of the pedal fab?

Of course. It doesn't look that different from the last photo, but they are all tacked in place now. The base we made angled the pedals back a bit to make them a little more comfortable for the driver. They felt weird being perpendicular to the floor. I forgot to take a good picture from the outside where Dick is working on a plate.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0706.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0707.jpg

By the way Rodger, how did the Magna Charger trip go? I've been telling myself I don't need a supercharger, I don't need a supercharger, but they sound so sweet. Now I come to find out they don't whine like they used to. What the hell?

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

Per Dick's orders I have to post up the pictures he took at the end of today:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop076-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop077-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop078-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop079-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop080-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop081-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop082-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop083-1.jpg

It is crazy how fast this is coming together...

Matt

[awr68]

Nice progress and the hood is very nice!
Are you shooting for SEMA?

[tones2SS]

Looks awesome Matt. She be back together in no time.
The hood looks great!:thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Cool stuff Matt! Can't wait to see more.

[Matt@BOS]

Nice progress and the hood is very nice!
Are you shooting for SEMA?

Yeah, we're shooting for SEMA. We're going to be parked next to Bad Penny in the Source Interlink booth. It is going to be deja vu for the next month for us, except hopefully we make it this time lol.

More pics to come soon. The jams got painted yesterday, so when the car goes together it is going to be for the final time.

Also, before I forget to say anything, I want to thank Kyle and Stacy Tucker who took the time to call us yesterday even though we didn't win the DSE sponsored Muscle Machine of the Year award. It was exceptionally nice of them to remember us, and great to know that they seemed genuinely happy that we were using their products for their intended purpose. Thanks guys!

Matt

[ANVIL1]

Wow, it's really coming together quick! It's going to be better than before!

[waynieZ]

Thats sweet Matt, your kicking a$$ It will be even better than when I saw it in January. If thats possible. :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I've got one picture! The hood is coming along, albeit kind of slowly because I wasn't as clear as I could have been on the design so Jeff had to go back a second time and rework some parts. The aluminum didn't really want to cooperate to begin with, and with something this thin, it was a bit of a nightmare to keep warping to a minimum, so as you can see, it is taking some time to straighten it out.

I would love to have a hood like this in carbon *cough*Tyler*cough*

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0708.jpg

Matt me too *cough *sneeze *poop

you guys are insane. LOL

[speedshftr]

the hood reminds me of the scar camaro hood without the front opening

[Matt@BOS]

the hood reminds me of the scar camaro hood without the front opening

I knew that connection was going to be inevitable :lol: . I've been wanting to do a hood for a while and was originally toying with a vent in the front, a la the Corvette C5R but then decided to go the other way when I saw the first photos of the Ferrari 599 GTO's hood and figured something like that would be easier to make and look more at home on a '69, especially on a car that already had the side "gills" opened up. For a while I thought of doing both, but figured it would be too busy. It certainly would have looked more SCARish if we'd done both ideas. To me SCAR's hood looks like it could have been the brainchild of Steve Saleen of Mustang tuning fame, who never met a gill or vent he didn't love. It just doesn't flow with the rest of the car, and however intentional that decision was (black hood on an orange car) it really annoys my eye. Sorry for the mini rant. It just got the better of me.

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

me too *cough *sneeze *poop

you guys are insane. LOL

Hey, how do you feel about signing a "please make this a carbon fiber part" petition? :woot:

Oh, I almost forgot today's pictures:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop087-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop088-1.jpg

Matt

[speedshftr]

incredible progress:hail:

[GregWeld]

Matt --

Every time I see Scar all I can think of is "yep.. that name is real appropriate" :rofl: Well.... that and WTF.

Glad you kept your hood vents clean and simple. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Matt wow!! it's really coming along great.Look's like it will be better than before. Which it was super smooth before the mishap.:thumbsup: Scott.

[tones2SS]

Glad to see the progress Matt! :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

When building a hot rod, one must get a little inventive from time to time. Today was one of those times. I learned something interesting today, which I shall forever commit to my memory. In fact, with the beauty of a little invention called the internet, I can share my newfound knowledge with you. I suggest you guys also commit this to your memory, if for nothing more than the fact that this next story makes for some pretty entertaining imagery. When a car has a little home built rolling frame under it consisting of box iron and 6" roller wheels in place of a rear axle, putting in a subframe, even with a lift can be somewhat problematic.

Here is a list of necessary hardware which I have compiled for anyone attempting such a feat.
1 two post lift
1 engine hoist
2 rolling wheel cribs
1 standard floor jack
1 aluminum floor jack
1 2x4
2 jack stands
2 of Steve Rupp's 18x12 wheels
2+ idiots
2 creepers for idiots


Don't try this at home kids:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMG00049-20101010-1324.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop091.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop092-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop089-1.jpg

Matt

[coolwelder62]

Matt I thought I was Mr. cool w/18x11's up frt. BUT(12's) YOU THE MAN.:lol: :lol:

[GregWeld]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Now that's what hot rodding is all about!

[Vegas69]

I just skimmed through but my observation is you're going to front wheel drive?:rofl: :rofl:

[Gandalf]

Matt - "Your tires are on backwards" :rolleyes:

[Matt@BOS]

Matt - "Your tires are on backwards" :rolleyes:

Those aren't my tires :_paranoid

[olds87]

Are you going to drive the car azz backwards?

I had to say that.

[Gandalf]

Those aren't my tires :_paranoid

You missed my point - never mind. Keep working. :rolleyes:

[Steve1968LS2]

Invoice pending for wheel rental.. lol

Too bad you cant run 335s up front all the time ;)

See ya there tomorrow!

[Matt@BOS]

Invoice pending for wheel rental.. lol

Too bad you cant run 335s up front all the time ;)

See ya there tomorrow!

I don't think I can make it down there until Thursday.

BTW, do you have any plans to drive up to Sylmar this week? :unibrow:

The full floater should be done tomorrow.

Matt

[awr68]

Yeah, we're shooting for SEMA. We're going to be parked next to Bad Penny in the Source Interlink booth. It is going to be deja vu for the next month for us, except hopefully we make it this time lol.


That's awesome! You will make it - you have a great team! :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Gregg, you missed my point. Never mind. ;) Oh, and don't forget about the sign. If you could make sure it has a provision for a chain so it doesn't get lost this year that'd be great.

Dick sent over some more pictures today. In the email he requested "a can of good gaps" from Doug.

Today we have something that resembles a car:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop096.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop095-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop094-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop093-1.jpg

Matt

[coolwelder62]

Matt lookin real good.You guy's must be working 25 hour's a day.

[phillym5]

Looking good Matt...

I think im going to cruise over there and stare at it for an hour or two tomorrow.... lol. :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Matt lookin real good.You guy's must be working 25 hour's a day.

Yeah, that isn't far from the truth. Some days Dick, Jon and Jesus are all working on it. Thank god for the insurance check.

Josh, be sure to get some of your trademark Blackberry pictures :)

Matt

[ironworks]

Gregg, you missed my point. Never mind. ;) Oh, and don't forget about the sign. If you could make sure it has a provision for a chain so it doesn't get lost this year that'd be great.

Dick sent over some more pictures today. In the email he requested "a can of good gaps" from Doug.

Today we have something that resembles a car:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop096.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop095-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop094-1.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop093-1.jpg

Matt

Gap improvement spray is now a part of the Game Enhancement collection. Before we jump right it to Gap improvement spray lets start with a little Tall Dark and Handsome Spray. After seeing you at Camarillio Autocross you could use a generous application. We can take care of any gap issues at SEMA on the car but the Tall Dark and Handsome spray does not work as fast as the gap improvement spray does.

Car is looking good. :D

[bonecrrusher]

Are the CF goodies covered in paint?

[tones2SS]

Looking good. Progress is coming rather quickly.:thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Gap improvement spray is now a part of the Game Enhancement collection. Before we jump right it to Gap improvement spray lets start with a little Tall Dark and Handsome Spray. After seeing you at Camarillio Autocross you could use a generous application. We can take care of any gap issues at SEMA on the car but the Tall Dark and Handsome spray does not work as fast as the gap improvement spray does.

Car is looking good. :D

Thanks Rodger! If I order in the next five minutes will I receive and additional box of the Game Enhancement Collection free of charge? Also, if you are any indication of how well the Tall Dark and Handsome Spray works, I'm not sure I need as much as you took. You're so tall you're probably the closest thing Bakersfield has to a monument. I don't need to be that tall.

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

Are the CF goodies covered in paint?

Yes, most everything except the inner fenders are painted.

Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but for those of you with Anvil parts, it's a good idea to heat the parts to 200ish degrees (while not under any stress) for several hours if possible to allow for "post curing" as Tyler said. This is supposed to keep the carbon weave from coming up and being visible after the part is painted.

Matt

[Steve1968LS2]

Got shot in sealer tonight.. tomorrow it gets paint :)

:thumbsup:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2ytqvlw.jpg

[Matt@BOS]

Today at Best of Show the car got sealed so it will be ready for paint tomorrow :beavis:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop097.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop098.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop099.jpg
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http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop103.jpg

Matt

[GregWeld]

Better than new buddy! :woot:

[pokey64]

Very cool. Great progress!

[BritishGreen68]

Do you guys have to sand the sealer or can you spray it the next day without any scuffing?

[tones2SS]

Awesome! Getting closer everyday!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

Do you guys have to sand the sealer or can you spray it the next day without any scuffing?

I'm not sure, I'll be sure to ask though.

And of course, you're daily dose of pictures:
We got the engine back from Turnkey today. The new heads should breath better and wake the LS2 up a little. Hopefully now I'm making more power than Steve loses from the crank to the wheels with that 461:lol:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop105.jpg

Major turning point in the rebuild, the car got painted today!
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop107.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop108.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop110.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop111.jpg

There is a light at the end of the tunnel for the hood too. It got primed today, and everything is looking pretty good on it. I'm guessing (and hoping) it will be ready for paint in the not too distant future.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop115.jpg

Now we just need our wheels from Forgeline. I think Speedway is just about done with the full floater, so I need to get that as soon as possible so that we can figure out how to mount the rear brakes. I forgot to mention anything sooner, but Wilwood stepped up and cut us a killer deal on brakes. I'll post up on those as soon as I can get over to the shop.

Matt

[waynieZ]

It looks sweet Matt. Glad to see this is working out to be even better then before.

[Ron in SoCal]

Matt - if you plan on driving up to Speedway PM me and let me know. I'll meet you there! It'll be awesome to see that floater before it goes in the car...

[DFRESH]

Gaps = Pass
Gigantic front wheels and tires = Pass
Paint = Pass
Tall Dark Handome Spray = Pass

Well done my friend. Stay Thirsty.

Doug

[Vegas69]

:rofl: She's looking sweet, you do realize SEMA is in 2 weeks?:unibrow:

[Matt@BOS]

Matt - if you plan on driving up to Speedway PM me and let me know. I'll meet you there! It'll be awesome to see that floater before it goes in the car...

Will do Ron. Monday might be the soonest I can get it though.

Doug, I'm honored you gave the gaps a passing grade. Would you sign the door jam right inside of the gap. It would mean a lot to me. I am willing to pay whatever the going rate is that Carroll Shelby charges to autograph stuff.

Todd SEMA is actually in something like 17 days, so you have 17 days to get that bitchin' sounding boat anchor ready. But hey, who's counting the days.

Matt

[tones2SS]

Looks awesome Matt! I really like that hood. Can't wait to see it painted and on the car. Very nice.:thumbsup:

[rjsjea]

Hood looks very nice.....as does the rest of the car obviously, but that's a standout feature IMO

[Matt@BOS]

Well, I spent way too many hours driving around southern California yesterday, but by 10:30 I was back home with a Speedway Engineering full floater. The quality and workmanship of this thing are nothing short of spectacular. Frank at Speedway is the man. In case it isn't clear in the photos, I think he has had a little practice welding. Apparently it only took him three hours to put the quadralink brackets on the axle housing.

The grand total for the floater with everything including the labor for the brackets came out to roughly $1,700. I don't think the cost is actually that much more than what my old 9" with Moser axles, etc. cost from DSE.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0702-1.jpg
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http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0716-1.jpg

The guys have been grinding away and making progress on the car. You might notice a couple little changes going on in the engine compartment.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop120.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0719-1.jpg

I've also got to ask which wheels look better...
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0725.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop118.jpg

Matt

[Cris@JCG]

Floater looks good matt.. how are you going to mount a caliper on the ends? I don't see one welded on the tube ends..

[Flash68]

Man, this thing is coming together so quick.

and I just cant keep track of all the wheels going on it! :woot:

Purple is the new grey.

[Rick D]

Wheel nimber two (Steve's new wheels. Matt are those down bars from a supplier or something that you had bent up??

[Mikael A]

Love the hood:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Wheel nimber two (Steve's new wheels. Matt are those down bars from a supplier or something that you had bent up??

They are yet more parts being "borrowed" from me.. lol

They are Chris Alston Chassisworks "Gemini bars" from my track rat project..

I guess the whole "you give a mouse a cookie" deal is factual ;)

[cdushane]

They are yet more parts being "borrowed" from me.. lol

They are Chris Alston Chassisworks "Gemini bars" from my track rat project..

I guess the whole "you give a mouse a cookie" deal is factual ;)

I don't see the "Gemini Bars" on there web site, how can I get a pair?

[Matt@BOS]

I don't see the "Gemini Bars" on their web site, how can I get a pair?

Hey guys, like Steve said, those bars are from Chassisworks. I think you'll have to call them though. I didn't have any success finding them online either. I'll get you the part numbers tonight.

Steve, what can I say, you left town with the cookie jar open...

Cris G, as far as the caliper, and the floater, it looks like we're going to have to have a bracket made and weld that up.

Matt

[89 RS]

Matt, I like the second set of wheels better...course they are Rupp's new wheels.:_paranoid
Incidentally, those welds on the rear housing are incredible whoever did that work.

[Cris@JCG]

Matt- You should have let me know sooner about this rear end project..

The caliper brackets should be welded by Speedway so that they have it in their jig to keep tubes straight.. No matter what bracket you come up with.. I would recomend they weld it up.. Are you running a parking brake? What caliper are you using? rotor diameter?

Speedway has a weld on caliper bracket for 12.19 rotor for a Superlite.. If you need to bigger on rotor diameter you are going to have to sketch one up.. I have the bracket for the parking brake assembly that will go from 12.19 to 14.25 rotor diameter.. I would have machined an extra set up for you!!

Get ready to do some more running around this coming week!

Hey guys, like Steve said, those bars are from Chassisworks. I think you'll have to call them though. I didn't have any success finding them online either. I'll get you the part numbers tonight.

Steve, what can I say, you left town with the cookie jar open...

Cris G, as far as the caliper, and the floater, it looks like we're going to have to have a bracket made and weld that up.

Matt

[Cris@JCG]

I just remembered another thing... Assemble your hub & fit it on the wheel.. You want to make sure that it will fit over the center bore hole on the wheel.. I am going to have Frank machine the drive flange to fit snug to bore hole on the wheel so that it keeps the wheel running concentric & you dont rely on the wheel studs to keep the wheel centered to the hub..


Matt- You should have let me know sooner about this rear end project..

The caliper brackets should be welded by Speedway so that they have it in their jig to keep tubes straight.. No matter what bracket you come up with.. I would recomend they weld it up.. Are you running a parking brake? What caliper are you using? rotor diameter?

Speedway has a weld on caliper bracket for 12.19 rotor for a Superlite.. If you need to bigger on rotor diameter you are going to have to sketch one up.. I have the bracket for the parking brake assembly that will go from 12.19 to 14.25 rotor diameter.. I would have machined an extra set up for you!!

Get ready to do some more running around this coming week!

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Matt - Love the changes under the hood - masters look killer, shock resevoirs (sp?) mounted to the down bars (nice!)! and did I notice new brakes too? Haha, course you did!

Did you go w the Chro-mo down bars? The floater welds look killer. It's also nice having Chris watch out for us, huh? Thanks for paving the way you guys...

[mexMan]

Wait, Matt, no Carbon Fiber hood anymore? I mean, why? The CF detail on the hood looked great, it made the car more awesome than it was already! Well, I bet you have something in mind.

[214Chevy]

So I was going to keep a couple things a bit of a secret, but when Dick sent me this picture I just wanted to share it. Keep in mind it isn't done, and several parts of the design will be tweaked before it goes to paint, but even now I don't think it looks half bad.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/Unnamed.jpg

Matt


Matt, where can I get a set of these hood vents made? Are the premade and just cut in and weld or what? Or is this strictly a custom job?

[Steve1968LS2]

Matt, where can I get a set of these hood vents made? Are the premade and just cut in and weld or what? Or is this strictly a custom job?

The hood was done by Precision Metalcrafters.. it's a custom "one off" deal on an aluminum hood.

The problem is that the alum is so thin that it was a biatch to do withou warping.. would be better off with a steel hood.

The alum is nice for weight.. not so much for welding on.

[Steve1968LS2]

I don't see the "Gemini Bars" on there web site, how can I get a pair?

My understanding is that they are an option with the CA subframe. BOS made a custom firewall bracket that lined up everything for the DSE subframe.

[214Chevy]

The hood was done by Precision Metalcrafters.. it's a custom "one off" deal on an aluminum hood.

The problem is that the alum is so thin that it was a biatch to do withou warping.. would be better off with a steel hood.

The alum is nice for weight.. not so much for welding on.


Thanks Steve, yeah I have an original steel cowl hood that I wanted to fab up some kind of vents like this one.

[Ron in SoCal]

My understanding is that they are an option with the CA subframe. BOS made a custom firewall bracket that lined up everything for the DSE subframe.

They are not on the website and you can buy them 'ala carte'. Just call them up and ask for the parts. They come in 120 DOM and Chro-Mo. IIRC, the DOM's are in the $300 range plus shipping...

Speaking with a number of guys smarter than me, without A piller cage down bars all I would be doing by installing these is adding weight and flexing the firewall. I know BOS and JCG Chris made some really awesome brackets for the down bar firewall mounts, but I've decided to wait until they get mounted and tested before doing any downbars.

(edit: credit here goes to AME Matt and RideTech; both said the same thing. I am wondering if the Hotchkis version does any better?)

Having said that, they do look hardcore and I'd love to find a reason to buy them...

[Matt@BOS]

They are not on the website and you can buy them 'ala carte'. Just call them up and ask for the parts. They come in 120 DOM and Chro-Mo. IIRC, the DOM's are in the $300 range plus shipping...

Speaking with a number of guys smarter than me, without A piller cage down bars all I would be doing by installing these is adding weight and flexing the firewall. I know BOS and JCG Chris made some really awesome brackets for the down bar firewall mounts, but I've decided to wait until they get mounted and tested before doing any downbars.

(edit: credit here goes to AME Matt and RideTech; both said the same thing. I am wondering if the Hotchkis version does any better?)

Having said that, they do look hardcore and I'd love to find a reason to buy them...

Ron, I think you're pretty much right on with everything you said. I seem to remember the '69 DSE test car having the bars (I could be wrong) and don't recall it having a full cage. I'm hoping that with solid bushings along with subframe connectors and everything else, the body will be rigid enough that the bars will be mostly cosmetic. I'm sure it is going to sound very "show-touring" of me, but the major reason for the bars was to serve as mounts for the shock and brake/clutch reservoirs although the brake/clutch ones ended up on the firewall. I think they should fulfill that purpose, without hurting anything (they work ok for Hotckis, right?) and I'm not too worried about a couple pounds over the front. I set out to build an enjoyable driver's car that can eat up highway miles, and make a mediocre driver like myself have fun out on the track.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure Brett with the champaign/gray '67 Camaro convertible that's been running around socal lately added frame to firewall bars to support his Martz clip with what I'd call very good results. In his case, I'd guess the bars made a big difference and his firewall has proved to be up to the task of holding them.

Cris, I would have called you, but I thought the Wilwood guys were on the same page with you regarding brakes for the floater. Oh well, live and learn. I'll give you a call Monday and see what you're up to. I've got W4As coming for the rear and haven't given too much thought to a parking brake. Also, I'll check tomorrow to see how the drive plates fit to the wheel center holes. They should be cut to the same exact size, but I'll double check.

Matt

[Ron in SoCal]

Ron, I think you're pretty much right on with everything you said. I seem to remember the '69 DSE test car having the bars (I could be wrong) and don't recall it having a full cage. I'm hoping that with solid bushings along with subframe connectors and everything else, the body will be rigid enough that the bars will be mostly cosmetic. I'm sure it is going to sound very "show-touring" of me, but the major reason for the bars was to serve as mounts for the shock and brake/clutch reservoirs although the brake/clutch ones ended up on the firewall. I think they should fulfill that purpose, without hurting anything (they work ok for Hotckis, right?) and I'm not too worried about a couple pounds over the front. I set out to build an enjoyable driver's car that can eat up highway miles, and make a mediocre driver like myself have fun out on the track.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure Brett with the champaign/gray '67 Camaro convertible that's been running around socal lately added frame to firewall bars to support his Martz clip with what I'd call very good results. In his case, I'd guess the bars made a big difference and his firewall has proved to be up to the task of holding them.
Matt

Hey Matt - I know you and I are solid and much respect to you and your build; you know I freakin LOVE your car, so nothing meant toward you by commnets above. Your car is built right and by the right shop for your exact/intended purpose! A couple more notes on this subject - first off, these bars don't hurt and will have some measurable effect even if you're not able to raise the entire front end without any noticable flex on the front end. Being an enthusiast not an engineer I spoke to guys that knew more about this stuff and will contiune to do so. I also ran into TCI Sal yesterday in Pomona and we spoke about this exact issue before I posted this last night (BTW, Sal does not run a cage in his red Camaro and feels it's fine for track purposes - so there you go! A direct quote, "We're out to prove you don't need 'em." Last I checked, his car runs some pretty respectable times :lol: ). I took a hard run at this issue and made a decision that was right for me. What you're doing is perfect for your intended purpose. If I didn't have so many other priorities at this point of my build (and more $$$) I might much have sketched a design for a cage set up under the interior firewall to mount these to. I think Unibody car's subframes can only flex from the stresses of 1+G's in a hard corner and we spend so much money trying to figure out how to not do that. For me with kids the only answer is to not fully cage the car (yet). And just so you know, earlier in design I was trying to get RideTech to make me a set of stainless Tigercage firewall downbars and they talked me out of it - now who's show touring? Haha..

Cheers Matt. See you @ SEMA...:cheers:

[tones2SS]

Very nice Matt! She's coming along.
Keep up the great work.:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I feel the down bars are a good idea but only if it's tied into the structure of the car. I've felt cowl flex in my car but don't feel bolting them to the firewall is anything but cosmetic.

[Matt@BOS]

I feel the down bars are a good idea but only if it's tied into the structure of the car. I've felt cowl flex in my car but don't feel bolting them to the firewall is anything but cosmetic.

Yeah, I totally agree. I just decided to run them because I'm a poseur and they serve as a practical place to bolt reservoirs. :lol:

Ron, I didn't take your one post as being negative towards what we're doing with my car. You tossed out good info from well respected people in our community, and I just wanted to make sure people knew the intended purpose of the bars on my car - which isn't to add any structural rigidity.

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

Pictures for today:

Jon and Jesus are just about done with color sanding the car to 3500 grit and will begin buffing tomorrow.
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Looks like I'm headed up to Speedway early Wednesday morning to drop off the floater housing to have Frank design and weld brackets on. I never realized the W4A rear brakes came with a 14.25" rear rotor which is just insane and overkill but will definitely look cool along with my engine bay downbars :unibrow: . Because they're 14.25 no one has made a bracket yet, but I guess Speedway figured now was as good a time as any to make one, which is great for me. I would have had Cris from JCG cut a pair, but I would go crazy if I had to drive over there too. I think I'm driving 1000+ miles a week now. Two weeks and it will all be over...

Oh and I have more pictures of how the pedals went in if anyone is interested.

Matt

[Cris@JCG]

Matt- is the rear end set up straight or did you do any negitive camber??

I have a pair of brackets for 1.00 deg & 1.5 deg negitive camber..


Pictures for today:

Jon and Jesus are just about done with color sanding the car to 3500 grit and will begin buffing tomorrow.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop131.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop130.jpg
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Looks like I'm headed up to Speedway early Wednesday morning to drop off the floater housing to have Frank design and weld brackets on. I never realized the W4A rear brakes came with a 14.25" rear rotor which is just insane and overkill but will definitely look cool along with my engine bay downbars :unibrow: . Because they're 14.25 no one has made a bracket yet, but I guess Speedway figured now was as good a time as any to make one, which is great for me. I would have had Cris from JCG cut a pair, but I would go crazy if I had to drive over there too. I think I'm driving 1000+ miles a week now. Two weeks and it will all be over...

Oh and I have more pictures of how the pedals went in if anyone is interested.

Matt

[Ron in SoCal]

You're no poser, and a thousand miles a week is nuttin'. SEMA's coming, so get busy...:)

[dropit69]

Love that hood !!!!! best thing ive seen done to a first gen hood that i like in years..

[Matt@BOS]

Cris, I decided just to set the axle up straight. I figured it would just be simpler and require less maintenance - not having to worry about worn crowned axles and all. I plan on putting some miles on the car so it's one less thing to worry about. being able to have camber on a 9" is cool but the intended purpose of this particular floater is just to make the car more idiot friendly.

Matt

[ironworks]

Good call on the cambered house or lack there of. at the end of the day it is a car built to enjoy for many happy miles on the road. The car is coming along nicely Matt. Where are you staying for SEMA? Will you be there all week? I'm leaving saturday night to head east.

[waynieZ]

Matt those miles will be worth it when its finnished. Its going to be sweet.

[Matt@BOS]

Good call on the cambered house or lack there of. at the end of the day it is a car built to enjoy for many happy miles on the road. The car is coming along nicely Matt. Where are you staying for SEMA? Will you be there all week? I'm leaving saturday night to head east.

I'm not really sure when I'm heading up. I'll definitely be in town Wed-Friday and then head back Saturday. I also might help Dick move the car in whenever that happens to be.

Matt

[Payton King]

to see more pedal pictures. I take it header clearence was not an issue. Love to hear your feedback on the way they feel.

car looks great, cannot wait to see the re-birth

[Matt@BOS]

to see more pedal pictures. I take it header clearence was not an issue. Love to hear your feedback on the way they feel.

car looks great, cannot wait to see the re-birth

Headers were the least of our worries. The biggest headache was related to fitting everything around the DSE frame, which unlike other aftermarket frames has hydroformed rails which hug the contour of the floor really closely. This little issue required us to punch a hole and do a little trimming on the sides of the bushing mount. The whole process would have been a bit easier on a car with a Morrison, Speedtech or 21st Century frame

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I dropped the floater off at Speedway this morning after getting stuck in bumper to bumper traffic at 5 a.m. - I hate L.A. - so hopefully I can pick it up Friday. It'll get powder coated next Monday, and likely be under the car Thursday. If everything goes well we'll be driving it next Friday/Saturday, maybe...

Matt

[Ron in SoCal]

Great update Matt. I figured the hydro formed sub was the issue. Questions for you -

Did you have to fab the floor due to ergonmics (fwd or back) or just to make room to mount the pedals?

Those masters are beautiful! Whose are they?

How/where do you adjust the balance bar in this set up?

I take it these pedals don't work w DBW? If not and I needed to use a GM pedal/double Tiltion, do you think the heel toe action would be as natural?

Sorry for the barrage, but I love the thinking that went into this. I actually brought up floor mounted pedals question to Chris in a thread when he rolled out his beautful billett pedal arms. Thanks to you and Dick for blazing the trail here...:hail:

[tones2SS]

Very nice Matt. Nice upgrades. Might as well while you have her torn apart, right?:unibrow:
I can't wait to see the hood all painted on the car. I bet it's going to look bad ass.:bow: :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

Great update Matt. I figured the hydro formed sub was the issue. Questions for you -

Did you have to fab the floor due to ergonmics (fwd or back) or just to make room to mount the pedals?

Those masters are beautiful! Whose are they?

How/where do you adjust the balance bar in this set up?

I take it these pedals don't work w DBW? If not and I needed to use a GM pedal/double Tiltion, do you think the heel toe action would be as natural?

Sorry for the barrage, but I love the thinking that went into this. I actually brought up floor mounted pedals question to Chris in a thread when he rolled out his beautful billett pedal arms. Thanks to you and Dick for blazing the trail here...:hail:

Ok, let me do my best to answer these questions without forgetting anything,

the floor had to be modified for a couple reasons:
1. the pedal box with the M/Cs installed is pretty deep, and sits at least 4" closer to the driver than the stock hanging pedals. For any normal person to operate the pedals comfortably they'd have to be in the back seat.
2. angle of the pedals: without modification, the pedals would stick straight up and down, perfectly perpendicular to the floor at 90 degrees. Angling the pedals back was predominantly based on ergonomics, but also done to give space because the top of the pedals that the driver's foot rests on is now farther back.

Are you talking about the actual master cylinders, or the reservoirs? the masters are from Tilton, and the reservoirs are three of the Ring Brothers clutch reservoirs.

The balance bar is adjusted at the base of the brake pedal. You just loosen the nut and move it left or right depending on whether you want more front or rear bias.

As far as I know the Tilton three pedal assembly is limited to a mechanical throttle cable. If you used the two pedal assembly and the GM drive by wire gas pedal I imagine after a little planning everything could be made to fit "naturally." Personally, I would just use Tilton's hanging brake/clutch setup if I was running a drive by wire pedal - or just ditch drive by wire altogether.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

Matt

[Ron in SoCal]

^ Great response Matt. Thx...!

[Steve1968LS2]

The engine and trans was put in place tonight.. :)

That is all....

[Matt@BOS]

The engine and trans was put in place tonight.. :)

That is all....

I know, Dick sent me some photographic proof. I think all of your engine swappage over the last year has really benefited me. This probably only took them 15 minutes today.

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Matt

[awr68]

Looks awesome! Love the look! That's a mass of killer parts working together right there! :thumbsup:

How many days left? Dick looks tired....but he's still standing!:D

[bulldog19]

Matt the car is really looking good. Really like the color.
Let the thrash continue!

[OLDFLM]

GORGEOUS!!! It won't be long now my friend! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

She's coming together very nicely. Won't be long now.:cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

The guys took care of some more odds and ends, including putting the exhaust on and re-chromed and straightened rear bumper back on. The hood looks like it is ready for it's final prime. The engine bay is coming together nicely as well. Roughly 9 days left, and there might actually be a somewhat manageable amount of work. Well, at least compared to last year.

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Matt

[OLDFLM]

Is that blue hood prop billet or just blue anodized aluminum? LOL :lol:

[DOOM]

Matt.. I know you'll make it this time!:D I'm really looking forward to seeing the car this year...:cheers:

[Vegas69]

The boys at BOS are kicking some tail, must be bud lights superior drinkability.:D

[waynieZ]

You guys are making some great progress. I can't wait to see the hood all painted and installed. Its going to look great.

[tones2SS]

Moving right along on that bad boy. Very nice.:thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Is that blue hood prop billet or just blue anodized aluminum? LOL :lol:

That would be blue anodized aluminum. The same company makes a red anodized can - I mean prop piece - as well so that they can match everyone's old AN fittings.

Well, the last couple days have been busy. We got the engine running again, but it needs to be tuned. Most of the interior went back in and other little things got assembled. Oh yeah, and the hood got painted!

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Matt

[lhkustoms]

...... Oh yeah, and the hood got painted!

Matt


Matt, The hood looks great looking forward to seeing the car :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Floater all together and ready to go in...

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[Matt@BOS]

Floater all together and ready to go in...



Sweet. I was wondering what had happened in the last couple of days. Thanks for the picture Steve, now go rest up and get better, unless your plan is to be so sick that David has to drive at Optima.

Dick sent me some pictures tonight, and not only is the floater together, its also under the car!


http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop159.jpg
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Matt

[Rick D]

So Matt is it gonna make Sema?? By the way looks awsome!!

[waynieZ]

Real sweet Matt. It looks awesome!

[phillym5]

Looks great Matt!!
Im going to stop buy tomorrow and get a closer look!!:unibrow:

[Gandalf]

Looks great Matt!!
Im going to stop buy tomorrow and get a closer look!!:unibrow:

Me too!

[Matt@BOS]

Looks great Matt!!
Im going to stop buy tomorrow and get a closer look!!:unibrow:

If everything goes as planned you could even go for a ride (around the parking lot). :unibrow:

Rick, barring any unforeseen catastrophe we will be at SEMA. Tomorrow we bleed the clutch and rear brakes. If everything works it will drive into SEMA under its own power!

Matt

[Flash68]

Damn dude that looks so mint.

[tones2SS]

So awesome. Very nice indeed.:thumbsup:

[awr68]

Looks awesome! They really kicked ass on the rebuild! Not to mention all the upgrades that were done to it! :woot:

Now will somebody PLEASE install the RS front end! I remember that was a bitch in the 11th hour a year ago! I personally would feel much better if all those parts were installed and aligned! ;)

Great work guys! Cant wait to see the car and crew next week!! :cheers: :woot:

[phillym5]

Here she is..... damn she looks and sounds good. :thumbsup:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIVWfnV6fQ

[awr68]

:woot: Damn near party time!! :woot:

BTW, I noticed the grill, ect was installed! It's nice when you get what you ask for! :D :thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Looks and sounds great Matt.

[GHOSTDANCER]

:woot: :woot: Congrats :cheers:

[69x22]

Glad to see it's back together!

[Gandalf]

Sounds great Matt!

Is that the shop beater in the background? Loaner car maybe? :lol:

G.



Here she is..... damn she looks and sounds good. :thumbsup:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIVWfnV6fQ

[Matt@BOS]

Sounds great Matt!

Is that the shop beater in the background? Loaner car maybe? :lol:

G.

Shop beater?? No way. I'm pretty sure a shop beater has to run :rofl:

Matt

[Matt@BOS]

We had another productive day at the shop. The car is pretty much together now minus several pieces, so tomorrow will mostly be dedicated to detailing the hell out of it. Before I left the shop tonight Dick told me that he expected pictures online by the time he got home.


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With a 461 LS engine, which now runs, under the hood of Penny, I'm pretty sure Steve isn't eying anything under the hood, but rather wondering what that hood would look like in Prowler Orange (I think that's the color, no?)
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Matt

[GregWeld]

Looks great Matt!

Dick really should be proud of what his shop has accomplished in such a short time!

[Vegas69]

Car looks great! Did you add more or a different flake to the paint? BOS always has some really shiny paint. :thumbsup:

[Tom.A]

Car looks great. Very impressive how quick BOS got it done.

[ANVIL1]

Well done Gents!

[Gandalf]

Should I be concerned about what is taking place in the background of that first pic? Looks awesome Matt!

[tones2SS]

Bad ass car. Looks great Matt.:thumbsup: :cheers:
I'm digging that hood for sure.

[awr68]

Looks great! Does the car not have to be at SEMA till Monday?

[DFRESH]

Yeeeeeehaaaaaa!!! Great work guys!!! Can't wait to see you and the car at SEMA!!! What a great accomplishment!!! Best of Show --hats off man---amazing job.

Doug

[DOOM]

Yeeeeeehaaaaaa!!! Great work guys!!! Can't wait to see you and the car at SEMA!!! What a great accomplishment!!! Best of Show --hats off man---amazing job.

Doug

X2!!!!!

[67ragtp]

Amazing work at that shop! looks killer- good luck Matt

Rich

[Cris@JCG]

Very Nice!!!! Can't wait to see it @ SEMA this week :thumbsup:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Great job on the rebuild, I will see it at vegas

[waynieZ]

The car looks awesome, the paint looks like glass.

[Matt@BOS]

Turns out that we're not only crazy and stupid, but apparently fairly good at both of those things.

First the stupid:

It was posted a while back, but it needs to be seen again. Here we have D!ck installing a subframe using a lift an engine hoist, and jackstands, all at the same time.
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Figure 2: again we can't seem to grasp the concept of the lift. Apparently I haven't figured out what creepers are for either
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Figure 3: while an explanation is probably necessary, there is no remotely logical explanation of what is taking place here. Perhaps Jon rolled over onto the floor so that he could complain (which makes him happy).
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop155.jpg

Figure 4: Given the timeframe for the scope of this rebuild, it seemed only natural that we do our best to emulate the manner in which people dealing with big projects work. Here we've taken some pointers from Caltrans and the lovely state of California. While there are only two of us who are "supervising" pictured, there is likely one more person standing out of view, one who had to take the photo, and at least one person off in the corner fiddling around with something like a steering column (Gregg, aka Gandalf).
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Now for some proof of craziness. All of this happened in a month. Tonight the car is strapped down in its trailer and ready to hit the road tomorrow morning. It runs, it drives, and it's more complete than its ever been. There are a couple little things to fix, but with these types of cars there is always something to fix or do. I can't thank the guys enough. They did an incredible job. This year there was no all nighter like last year. We weren't up until 5am, a mere 6 hours from the time we were supposed to check in at SEMA. This year the latest D!ck left the shop was around 8pm. It only happened once, and it happened several days ago. I'm amazed at what the crew accomplished, but above all else, I'm amazed by how they accomplished this rebuild. Everyone went above and beyond what a customer could ever ask for. Nothing is a better indication of this than the fact that I was the last person to hear about our little 2010 SEMA thrash.

So, we had so much free time today I had a chance to make a stand for our new sign that Mike Casti was kind enough to create. You would be amazed what can be created with little bit of scrounging around the old parts pile, some scrap metal, and a little planning. Looks ok I think. I think it might even put all of those people with crying dolls and drive in window trays to shame.
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Here she is,
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Hope to see you guys out in Vegas,

Matt

[Flash68]

Love the stand. :thumbsup:

Yeah, nice car and thrash too. Haha. BOS is an amazing shop. :woot:

[waynieZ]

Congratulation's Matt and BOS crew, you did an excelent job in a short amount of time. You made an already awesome car even better. I got to see the car last January in person and got a tour of BOS I was very impressed with all the cars I saw while I was there.

[DOOM]

Matt.... Stay away from those Saturns!!!:lateral:

[GregWeld]

Makes me proud just to say I visited there once! :rofl:
:thumbsup:

[awr68]

Great job guys! The car looks great and what a short rebuild time! Just amazing! Well deserved SEMA entry! See ya tomorrow!! :woot:

[EBMC]

Congrats on getting it done in time. looks great, looking forward to seeing it tommorow!

[tones2SS]

Congrats on the car. It looks awesome!
I like the car sign as well. Have fun in Vegas!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Rybar]

Congrats Matt on getting it back together and done for Sema. Looks great and really like all the changes. :thumbsup:

[nvr2fst]

Matt, Looks even better the 2nd time around.:thumbsup:

[PASD U]

(speechless)

[Ralphlovs72chev]

WOW!!:wow:

[Matt@BOS]

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We survived SEMA :) It was nice seeing everyone and putting more faces to screen names. We were parked sort of close to Mopar alley in the space between the south hall and central hall. It was kind of a difficult spot to find, but luckily the GM guys found their way over. Maybe it is because everyone involved with the project sees the car on a daily basis that the car becomes really familiar and "normal" to us, but I don't think we realized what we'd built until Wednesday night when we got a call notifying us that we'd won a GM design award. I'm still in disbelief.

I'm also pretty proud of the pro-touring crowd in general. A ton of members on here are taking home some very respectable hardware, from the Ring Brothers' Dragon build to the Anvil/Strope Mustang and Mark Stielow with the Gran Turismo award, it was a good year for our little group

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0796.jpg

Matt

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Matt. Always good to see you and the car was certainly deserving of the award!

Cheers Bro...:thumbsup:

[Musclerodz]

Congrat on the GM design award. I saw you car parked out there next to Penny, that is one purple car I would love to own. BOS built you an amazing car

[Rybar]

Congrats Matt :thumbsup: I agree about our members getting high end awards.

[class67]

Matt, thats gotta make you feel good....congratulations!

[Vegas69]

Matt, she's top shelf.:cheers:

[Flash68]

Matt, congrats to you and BOS for gittin er dun on time. It's a stunner for sure!
Good to meet you and chat as well. :lateral:

[waynieZ]

Congratulation's on the award. It looks awesome Matt.

[redfire69]

Congrats! The car looks awesome, again! :thumbsup:

[JKnight]

Matt,

Car looks amazing in version 2.1. I apologize if you already stated, but what steering wheel are you using? Looks to have a nice size to it.

[tones2SS]

Congrats Matt. Well deserved.:cheers: Looks like the pro-tour community did well this year. Good to hear.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

Matt,

Car looks amazing in version 2.1. I apologize if you already stated, but what steering wheel are you using? Looks to have a nice size to it.

Thanks. I don't think I ever mentioned anything about the steering wheel. I decided to replace the old one (a Momo "Race" wheel) with a Momo Mod 08 wheel because the latter fits me much better. The Mod 08 has some dish to it making it easier to reach. It also keeps my legs from hitting the wheel. I don't think it is bigger than the old steering wheel, I believe they're both 350mm (13.78 in.) but because of the placement it definitely feels better than the old one, which seemed small and far away from me.

Matt

[awr68]

Congrats Matt and BOS!! What a great car it is! I love it!! I know you all were totally stoked about the award and should be, but for me, seeing that Dick was unable to wipe the smile off his face even the next day....well that says it all!! It was a lot of work to do the car twice, and in record time the second go around! This award is huge and well deserved.....enjoy! :cheers: :woot:

[89 RS]

Matt, congrats on the award. Definitely a fine piece of machinery. :thumbsup: BOS did some amazing work to get it back in order so quickly.

[ibdmann]

Matts car is awesome. The pictures do not capture how nice that ride is.

[waynieZ]

Matts car is awesome. The pictures do not capture how nice that ride is.

I second that , and I saw it before the new work done.

[Matt@BOS]

Thanks for the kind words guys. Positive feedback means a great deal to everyone involved, especially Dick, and maybe even Jon, although I don't think he'll ever admit to being happy about anything :lol:

If anything, the car came out too nice. It's worth so much I worry about driving it sometimes, but then again, it's worth too much to just let it sit, collect dust and not enjoy it. Besides, I think the guys proved they could buff any little scratches or cone rash out if need be.

I'm really looking forward to RTTC at the end of this month. I don't think the car has had more than 300 miles on it since SEMA. I'm hoping to go out to Adams out in Riverside tomorrow and see how the car goes now that it has different shocks, brakes, floater and front bar on it. I'm also going to head on down to Cars and Coffee in Irvine this Saturday in case anyone else wants to meet up.

Matt

p.s. I'm sure some of you guys already know, but I'm exited to say we've got a new project cookin' over at BOS. I hope (and by I, I mean my checkbook) that it isn't going to be nearly as nice :rofl: It is going to be a wild little car though, and I'll start a thread when there is a little more going on.

[Matt@BOS]

Update: I have been hanging around Steve Rupp too much. D!ck has been really patient though. I have at least two shelves full of crap, and to my knowledge, he hasn't sold any of it on ebay yet (despite his claims) :rofl: Not only have I developed a penchant for managing to acquire new parts, but I've also developed a bit of a knack for needing new parts as well. Last year at the Costa Mesa Good Guys show, I couldn't believe that Steve had managed to wear out the 1-2 synchro in his T56 Magnum, I thought those things were bullet proof. In any case, he ended up swapping in a new one, and shelving the old one to save for Track Rat, after a rebuild. Never to be outdone though, I wore out the synchro in my Viper spec T56, and by "wore out" I mean I utterly obliterated it. Sometimes we can do nothing more than laugh about the stupid things we do, and this is one of those times. Steve probably wore his T56 out competing at Optima, or some grand event. I was driving a couple of friends around, they wanted to the car to go fast, so fast it went, all the way through second gear, and then... not quite into third, but definitely into first. The engined revved well north of 7000 rpm. I pictured valves flying ever which way, and general destruction of everything mechanical in the drivetrain. Turns out the engine survived, (we'll find out this coming weekend at the Cal Speedway), but my 1-2 synchro was gone. Back to the shop the car went. We pulled the trans and wouldn't you know, the output was wiggling around too. Scary. Anyway, in went a new T56 Magnum, with a nice usable overdrive gear (.62 puts me at 2000 rpm at 60 mph, and 2400 at 80). My clutch had also taken some abuse, so an upgrade was in order. Steve called over to Centerforce and got me a great deal on a new twin disk. Thanks Steve!

Thanks to D!ck the car is all back together now, and I'm ready to try and break something at the Hotchkis sponsored autocross at the NMRA event this weekend.

Oh, and before I forget, the car is wearing some new Anvil parts. Mike @ Musclerods rear spoiler turned out killer!

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0134.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0137.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0141.jpg

Hope to see you local guys this weekend,
Matt

[coolwelder62]

Car,Look frickin awesome bud.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Scott M.

[Ralphlovs72chev]

Ive seen your beautifull car at Costa Mesa a few times and its really inspiring. Ill try to be out at the speedway this weekend. I have surgery tomorrow so im hoping ill have the strenght but with this hot heat we are having i dont know. All in all my best wishes and luck go out to you.......... have fun and smoke em.

[Ron in SoCal]

^ Hey Ralph...good luck!

[GregWeld]

Looks great Matt!

You're a regular one man economic firestorm! :cheers:

[Matt@BOS]

Ive seen your beautifull car at Costa Mesa a few times and its really inspiring. Ill try to be out at the speedway this weekend. I have surgery tomorrow so im hoping ill have the strenght but with this hot heat we are having i dont know. All in all my best wishes and luck go out to you.......... have fun and smoke em.

Ralph, I hope the surgery goes smoothly and without incident, and that your recovery is quick. You are definitely right about the Inland Empire summer heat, and reminded me, it might finally be time to get the AC charged.

Greg, whether it be running green lights and crashing into old ladies, or missing shifts and destroying transmissions, you can count on me to try and help stimulate our economy :lol:

BTW, this reminds me, Josh missed a shift in the DC Camaro the same weekend I did. He has been busy with work, but hopefully he updates his build thread, because his car is making even more power than it used to (not that it needs it - holy hell was it fast before).

Matt

[ssick chevelle]

beautiful camaro, i love the CF details. bravo sir!

[Ralphlovs72chev]

Thank you Matt. I too hope everything goes ok. I have 2 Hernias and i never ever been put to sleep before so im a little nervous. If i do feel better i will go bit Hernias take time to heal. I want to go so badly but i know i come first

[Flash68]

Hey Matt, nice update. That spoiler looks great on there.

And thanks for the info on the T56 Mags.... I will be sure to cross that off my potential tranny list now. :lol: Nothing wrong with missin a shift once in awhile... if you're not breaking stuff, you're not driving hard enough. :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Hey Matt, nice update. That spoiler looks great on there.

And thanks for the info on the T56 Mags.... I will be sure to cross that off my potential tranny list now. :lol: Nothing wrong with missin a shift once in awhile... if you're not breaking stuff, you're not driving hard enough. :thumbsup:

It's funny, I really didn't want to push the car and miss third. I shifted around 5500 (6800 redline). The 2-3 shift had always been a bit notchy with the pro 5.0, and I'd missed it at least once racing, but don't for the life of me know how I managed to slide it into first. Usually I'd just hit the side of the gate, etc.

Anyway, the T56 should still be towards the top of your list. In fact, I happen to know where you could get a slightly used (7000ish mile) one with Viper internals, and for a good price no less. :unibrow:

Matt

[mexMan]

I love your car Matt, it's pretty cool, BUT paint looks kinda dirty!

[67ragtp]

Matt - The car looks fantastic! Is it my old eye balls or is the rear bumper also carbon? Spoiler is kick azz.

Rich

[Musclerodz]

Update: I have been hanging around Steve Rupp too much. D!ck has been really patient though. I have at least two shelves full of crap, and to my knowledge, he hasn't sold any of it on ebay yet (despite his claims) :rofl: Not only have I developed a penchant for managing to acquire new parts, but I've also developed a bit of a knack for needing new parts as well. Last year at the Costa Mesa Good Guys show, I couldn't believe that Steve had managed to wear out the 1-2 synchro in his T56 Magnum, I thought those things were bullet proof. In any case, he ended up swapping in a new one, and shelving the old one to save for Track Rat, after a rebuild. Never to be outdone though, I wore out the synchro in my Viper spec T56, and by "wore out" I mean I utterly obliterated it. Sometimes we can do nothing more than laugh about the stupid things we do, and this is one of those times. Steve probably wore his T56 out competing at Optima, or some grand event. I was driving a couple of friends around, they wanted to the car to go fast, so fast it went, all the way through second gear, and then... not quite into third, but definitely into first. The engined revved well north of 7000 rpm. I pictured valves flying ever which way, and general destruction of everything mechanical in the drivetrain. Turns out the engine survived, (we'll find out this coming weekend at the Cal Speedway), but my 1-2 synchro was gone. Back to the shop the car went. We pulled the trans and wouldn't you know, the output was wiggling around too. Scary. Anyway, in went a new T56 Magnum, with a nice usable overdrive gear (.62 puts me at 2000 rpm at 60 mph, and 2400 at 80). My clutch had also taken some abuse, so an upgrade was in order. Steve called over to Centerforce and got me a great deal on a new twin disk. Thanks Steve!

Thanks to D!ck the car is all back together now, and I'm ready to try and break something at the Hotchkis sponsored autocross at the NMRA event this weekend.

Oh, and before I forget, the car is wearing some new Anvil parts. Mike @ Musclerods rear spoiler turned out killer!

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0134.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0137.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0141.jpg

Hope to see you local guys this weekend,
Matt

Spoiler looks awesome on there Matt. Glad you like it. I am looking foward to the feedback we get at Columbus since it will be its official release to the public.

[Musclerodz]

Matt - The car looks fantastic! Is it my old eye balls or is the rear bumper also carbon? Spoiler is kick azz.

Richbumper is a new anvil part as well

[Rybar]

Looks good Matt, and we appreciate your honesty in why you are stimulating the economy. :lol:

[Matt@BOS]

bumper is a new anvil part as well

It is hard to tell in the pictures, but the bumper is really well thought out. It fits flush, and extends lower than the original to cover up that strange looking recessed area. The sides fit well, and the bumper is so light you don't need all of the original mounting hardware.

MexMan, you are right, the car is dirty. The running joke is that I never clean it. Whatever you do, don't look at the front wheels!

Matt

[Steve1968LS2]

Yea, I was really impressed with how the rear bumper fit.. it was pretty impressive.

And no problem with the hook up on parts Matt.. Still going to Fontana this weekend, right?

[Leadfoot1]

would it not be easier to just get a full on CF body?? Or wait! Is that already in the works? Lol!!

Bumper's nice but it looks a little fat (my opinion).... Look at the rear bumper on that white mustang from Mc Or Mk something that looks like a hot wheel. Nice and slim.

Lead.

[Bryan O]

Bumper's nice but it looks a little fat (my opinion)....

That's what I thought at first. But, the more I see it the more I like it. As a matter of fact, I caught myself thinking yesterday that I'd like one of those on my car. :_paranoid

I used to be a retro guy but Matt has sooo corrupted me. :lol:

[67ragtp]

Hey Matt,

Any chance you can shoot a pic of the bumper looking up at it, Im trying to get a perspective on how low it drops down, if you have time.

Did you guys have to re drill the trunk for the spoiler or did it drop right in?

Its really lookin great - thanks Rich

[g356gear]

So the bumpers finally came true! I asked Tyler about availability on a carbon front bumper in July of 2010 and he said he would pass it on to Matt.
I guess they decided to do the rear bumpers first.:thumbsup: