1967 Camaro for OUSCI

[Stielow]

Guys, I just dropped off my '67 Camaro to Paul and Joe VanNus for paint. This is the car I'm prepping for a run at the Optima Ultimate Street Car Invitational after SEMA.

It will be another long summer thrashing to get a car together.

The goal for the project is to do better in 2012 than I did in 2011.

Here are some photos of the car when I received it.

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http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_3369.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_3358.jpg

A little father along with work being done at Sled Alley here in the Detroit area

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_3446.jpg

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http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_3909.jpg

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http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4094.jpg

More to come.... :thumbsup:

Stielow

[Sieg]

Thanks for sharing, really looking forward to this one. :thumbsup:

[scottysimp7]

Can't wait to see more. This build should stir some sh*t up! :willy:

[T_Raven]

I better subscribe to this one. Can't wait to see what you do with it

[Sonar Chief]

Subscribed !!!!!! Keeping an eye on this one fer sure :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Greg from Aus]

Definitely watching this one transform.

Greg

[coolwelder62]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[bdahlg68]

Any chance we'll see this one at Motorstate? I'm sure we could rally some Metro Detroit troops to finish this one in time! :wow:

Looking forward to more details about what's new for this ride.. and love that you're doing one with ROUND wheel openings!

[Ns RS]

im thinking another monster thompson auto motor cranked way past 11, rear seat delete, abs with ceramic rotors, sprinkled with weight reducing magic dust. this is gonna be good. does this mean charlie wrangled red devil from you already??

[MaxHarvard]

Another great build Mark! :thumbsup:

[mad68rs]

This is going to be good... Thanks for posting!

[JMitch19]

I was picking up some parts at Joe and Paul's when Mark dropped the car off today. I can't wait to see progress on this build.

[Rick D]

Oh ya been waiting for this one :thumbsup: How about some more pictures? Um and some details about the build :cheers: PLEASE!!!

[camcojb]

Thanks for sharing Mark. Can't wait for OUSCI.

[coolwelder62]

Thanks for sharing Mark. Can't wait for OUSCI.Jody,Don't wish spring & summer over that fast.:willy: :willy:

[Flash68]

Stielow, I didn't know you were invited back to OUSCI. :lol:

[coolwelder62]

Stielow, I didn't know you were invited back to OUSCI. :lol:I would think Jimi Day,would alway's want a main atraction like Mark at OUSCI.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Mark,

I am looking forward to watching the progress on your latest great Camaro. Keep those photos coming! :thumbsup:

Brian

[Flash68]

I would think Jimi Day,would alway's want a main atraction like Mark at OUSCI.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Scott, I hope you know I was kidding! :woot:

[coolwelder62]

Scott, I hope you know I was kidding! :woot::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Tom.A]

Looking forward to seeing this one:thumbsup: I see a a/c compressor on the mock up. I thought this would be on a strict diet for chasing down Z06's:unibrow:

[califconstruct]

Clean work, keep this pics coming.

[Vegas69]

We are all looking forward to this one Mark. :thumbsup: Is the front sub aluminum? Looks like the engine is set back nicely.

[camcojb]

We are all looking forward to this one Mark. :thumbsup: Is the front sub aluminum? Looks like the engine is set back nicely.
DSE front clip.

[Vegas69]

I know, I have one. :unibrow:

[fleetus macmullitz]

The physician treating a number of lat-g members has noticed they have all been suffering from the same Vitamin 'S' deficiency.

All is well now in the lat-g world again.

[Track Junky]

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[camcojb]

I know, I have one. :unibrow:

wondered why you asked............. ;)

[sixnina]

Gonna be another top notch build can't wait to see this one progress.:bow:

[Rybar]

Cool build Mark, hope this one goes on a diet compared to RD

[jeff71]

I want fist dibbs on buying Red Devil! Unless its already in Charlie's garage.

[Flash68]

I want fist dibbs on buying Red Devil! Unless its already in Charlie's garage.

I heard it sold a couple months ago? Mark, care to comment? :D

[ironworks]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4094.jpg

More to come.... :thumbsup:

Stielow

That fan shroud is awesome.

I'm curious what made you decide to go with a NON 69 camaro.

[OLDFLM]

Subscribed! Was REALLY hoping you'd do a 2nd Gen though... :yes:

[JMitch19]

I want fist dibbs on buying Red Devil! Unless its already in Charlie's garage.

I heard it sold a couple months ago? Mark, care to comment? :D

If I remember correctly the gentleman who purchased Red Devil is a survivor car collector from Iowa. Maybe Mark or someone in the know can chime in.

[Stielow]

Yes Red Devil is gone and so is my home equity line of credit debit.

It went to a gentleman in Iowa, not Charley. I already miss Red Devil, but I like working on a new project. Red Devil had a great run for “another Red ’69 Camaro with a SBC”. I doubt I’ll ever top that car for everything it did.

2nd Motor State with the car less than 48 hours old
1st OUSCI 2010
2nd OUSCI 2011
1st Holley LS Fest 2010
2nd Holley LS Fest 2011
1st Heidts 2011
Features in Hot Rod, PHR, Camaro Perf, Car and Driver and others
Featured in Sony Gran Turismo Game (the release is soon I hope)
Featured in Optima Battery Commercial (Watch Speed it is on all the time)

The ‘67 is an evolution of Red Devil: A little more power,little less weight a little more grip… I did a ’67 because they are a bit smaller and lighter than a ’69.

No major changes:
All DSE Chassis
Thomson Engine
D&D Performance Trans
Brembo Brakes
Ricks Fuel Tank
SED ABS Brakes and Carbon Fiber Hood
Etc…..

I hope to make an event in the Sept. time frame with it. Working on these projects part time with a lot of help from good guys like Sled Alley, Thomson Automotive, Dave Mikels, Ryan Kuhlenbeck, and Paul and Joe VanNus still takes a lot time. I’m still just a regular guy working out of my 3 car garage with a day job as an engineer. I don’t do all the work myself due to time constraints and recognizing my core strengths. My core strength is vision, engineering and project management. As an example I could paint my car but it would look like a crap compared to the job the VanNus team can do. I farm out work to people who are better and faster than me on a certain tasks. I can see the whole car in my head so I can coordinate the work with a few shops fairly effectively. A good friend of mine gave me some advice 15 years ago that I still stick to this day “Do one thing on your project a day and it will get done. Even if it is just making a phone call to order a small part it all adds up”.

The OUSCI deal has become very competitive and I have my eye on getting faster this year with more style. I hope I can bring enough car to hold my own one more year.
See ya at the track.

Mark

[Track Junky]

Awesome feed back, thanks Mark. Hope the build runs smooth.
You must be talking about Buttonwillow in September. :unibrow:
Dont worry, I'll take it easy on you :lol:

[Sieg]

Condolences Mark and congratulations on the new venture. :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Awesome feed back, thanks Mark. Hope the build runs smooth.
You must be talking about Buttonwillow in September. :unibrow:
Dont worry, I'll take it easy on you :lol:

Aiming for Mid-West venues. Buttonwillow is way too far away to tow to.

Holley LS Fest Sept. 7 - 9
Lingenfelter Event Sept. 21 - 23

Mark

[214Chevy]

Mark, do you have a name for it yet? I remember when you named Red Devil, but it was blue. LOL!! I'll be watching this one too.:yes: :yes: By the way Mark, can I use you GM discount to get some of those ceramic brakes and an LS9's? :_paranoid :_paranoid

[mpozziCPL]

Hope to see you at the Lingenfelter event. Just gotta tear myself away from all this mountain biking stuff and get back to my car roots ...

Mary P.

[Stielow]

Mark, do you have a name for it yet? I remember when you named Red Devil, but it was blue. LOL!! I'll be watching this one too.:yes: :yes: By the way Mark, can I use you GM discount to get some of those ceramic brakes and an LS9's? :_paranoid :_paranoid

I actually buy my GM parts from Scogging Dickey. Their prices are better than GM employee discount prices.

Mark

[Flash68]

Thanks for sharing the big picture stuff not directly related to car parts -- the project planning -- something many of us struggle with again and again and..
:willy:

:thumbsup:

[orangevert]

Subscribed, More pictures please.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Awesome car. My dad and I are very excited to be working on another project with Mark again. Can't wait to see the car further in the paint stage. Body and paint should go fairly quick as Matt at Sled Alley did a killer job on the metal work on the car. I'll will be sending Mark pictures along the way and I'm sure he will be over to shoot some as well. :thumbsup:
More to come soon, I will be starting on the body work towards the end of the week.

[camcojb]

Awesome car. My dad and I are very excited to be working on another project with Mark again. Can't wait to see the car further in the paint stage. Body and paint should go fairly quick as Matt at Sled Alley did a killer job in the metal work on the car. I'll will be sending Mark pictures along the way and I'm sure he will be over to shoot some as well. :thumbsup:
More to come soon, I will be starting on the body work towards the end of the week.

has he picked a color yet?

[Roberts68]

Subscribed! Best of luck meeting your goals Mark, not that you need it with your planning.
Thanks for that inspiring quote about completion. That bit of advice is one more puzzle piece I will try to fit into my life.

[Bow Tie 67]

:thumbsup: subscribed

[Van B]

has he picked a color yet?

Rob McGaffin hinted the other day that he had seen a spray out, but wouldn't leak the color. :cool:

[sik68]

:cool: Can't wait!

[camcojb]

Rob McGaffin hinted the other day that he had seen a spray out, but wouldn't leak the color. :cool:
guess I could just call Mark, huh??!!!!! :lol:

[GregWeld]

Come on Mark... That's all ya got?!?!



:lateral: :cheers: :woot:

[89 RS]

Another Stielow project, can't wait to see more. Mark's projects always turn out cool, but you can learn something from each build. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Another Stielow project, can't wait to see more. Mark's projects always turn out cool, but you can learn something from each build. :thumbsup:

Couldn't agree with you more Corey. The "Red Witch" was a phenominal build. He basically turned a car with 40 year old technology and turned it into a car that could contend with some of todays finest sports cars. My favorite part was the addition of the ABS brake system.

[Matt@BOS]

I've been hearing crazy rumors about this car for the last several months. Looking forward to hopefully seeing it at SEMA.

Matt

[mpozziCPL]

has he picked a color yet?

Don't think it will matter a whit ...

I talked to Rob last Sunday and he didn't say anything about this. Gonna have to have a talk with that guy ...

Mary P.

[Stielow]

Don't think it will matter a whit ...

Mary P.

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL

I agree with Mary "Don't think it will matter a whit ..."

I don't tell people the color because it changes all the time and we won't know for sure until it comes out of Joe VanNus's paint gun.

Mark

[wiedemab]

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL

I agree with Mary "Don't think it will matter a whit ..."

I don't tell people the color because it changes all the time and we won't know for sure until it comes out of Joe VanNus's paint gun.

Mark

Experiment:

I think you should paint it some really obnoxious color, just to test your "trendsetting" ability. You could start a trend of pink Camaros or something. You will never know the extent of your power until you test it. :lol:

Regardless of color, one thing is for sure - -those VanNus boys will have it slick!!!!!!

All joking aside, it looks like another great project. So since you asked for it, I will ask a few questions.

DSE Suspension, tubs etc. was already established
-New JRI Shocks also?
-Any special tricks to fit larger rubber under the earlier body or will it
ride on the slightly smaller wheel/tire combo that is typical of the
earlier cars?
-Same rear axle configuration (Vette hubs) that you ended up with on
Red Devil?
-I don't recall that you ended up utilizing any kind of traction control on
Red Devil, any plans to go that route? It may or may not yield any
performance gains for a driver at your level, but I thought I would ask
if you had considered it.

OK - that's enough of my dumb questions for now.

[sokoloka]

Very excited to be able to follow a build in somewhat real time - just finished reading the Pro-Touring book you put together, excellent all around read.

[orangevert]

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL

I agree with Mary "Don't think it will matter a whit ..."

I don't tell people the color because it changes all the time and we won't know for sure until it comes out of Joe VanNus's paint gun.

Mark

What about AWD, Ive been waiting to see some one take that on.

[GrabberGT]

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL

I agree with Mary "Don't think it will matter a whit ..."

I don't tell people the color because it changes all the time and we won't know for sure until it comes out of Joe VanNus's paint gun.

Mark


Alright. I'll bite.

What?! No aero mods?! Underbody tray, rear diffuser, splitter??? The competition will likely be doing more power and less weight as well. What have you got up your sleeve to get the title back?

Armchair Quarterbackingly yours,
Chris

[realcoray]

How are you losing weight? From your book it seemed like you were always thinking about it, but from the pictures I can't spot any indication that you've gone farther in that direction than you have in the past.

What did you learn from Red Devil that you're applying to this car? With so few details it seems like you're building the same car over.

[Roberts68]

How are you losing weight? From your book it seemed like you were always thinking about it, but from the pictures I can't spot any indication that you've gone farther in that direction than you have in the past.

What did you learn from Red Devil that you're applying to this car? With so few details it seems like you're building the same car over.

My bet is that Mark will fall on his creature comfort sword a bit and save weight in one area by not soundproofing "the little devil" as extensively, or perhaps at all.

As memory serves there was a figure mentioned in the excerpt on Red Devil in his Building the Mule book that spoke of 60 Pounds... That would be a huge diet for a car so capable.
I also got a minimalistic vibe off of that radiator shot, Smaller tanks maybe? Efficiency though less water weight?
As we learned from Stielow in the Mule book he goes the extra mile and shaves tenths of ounces to save ounces and ounces add up to pounds.

[72Z/28]

Another amazing project by Mark:thumbsup: :thumbsup: just keep us updated with lots of pics Mark and good luck

[Sieg]

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL

I agree with Mary "Don't think it will matter a whit ..."

I don't tell people the color because it changes all the time and we won't know for sure until it comes out of Joe VanNus's paint gun.

Mark

4.92 lbs per rwhp and it will look great in orange. :thumbsup:

[Rick D]

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL

I agree with Mary "Don't think it will matter a whit ..."

I don't tell people the color because it changes all the time and we won't know for sure until it comes out of Joe VanNus's paint gun.

Mark

Ok I'll ask how much power???? Same setup as before? More cubes?? Oh and by the way we need more pictures please!!! :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Subscribed! I was just reading about shortening the wheel studs on the Mule to save 25% of the total stud weight. I love learning from these builds.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be".

Not how much power, weight, chassis..... LOL



I woulda thought it would be...'You gonna run vent windows or not?'

:D

[legend]

alloy suspension parts/IRS?

[cmraman]

Rob McGaffin hinted the other day that he had seen a spray out, but wouldn't leak the color. :cool:


:unibrow:


Not my place to reveal...but I don't think it matters much. It's going to be killer.

[OLDFLM]

Flux capacitor? :cool:

1.21 jigawatts! :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

The ‘67 is an evolution of Red Devil: A little more power,little less weight a little more grip… I did a ’67 because they are a bit smaller and lighter than a ’69.

No major changes:
All DSE Chassis
Thomson Engine
D&D Performance Trans
Brembo Brakes
Ricks Fuel Tank
SED ABS Brakes and Carbon Fiber Hood
Etc…..

Mark

Where will you save the weight and where will you gain the grip? :_paranoid

I'l guess a lighter housing for your straight axle in back. Hollow axles did you run those before?
Lighter break package.
New shock package save weight and improved dampening = better grip.
Maybe a little less weight up front with the radiator/ cooler/ core support package. It looks like the radiator package you have has all the heat exchangers integrated into one unit?

I didn't see you mention transmission. Something track specific in magnesium?

Slightly bigger front and smaller rear tires with a cambered rear?

Lots of guessing with no basis on my part. Just proding you for some real details. :D

[GRob]

I'd like to see some titanium bits start working themselves into the build. Bolts, nuts, exhaust piping, headers. All that stuff is big money but when you are shaving ounces . . .

[clill]

You aren't going to see a bunch of exotic metals for weight savings. Mark does not have that kind of money. His credt card is almost maxed out with each build.

[OLDFLM]

Didn't he use mostly stock hardware on his last couple of builds? I seem to remember him having a literal bucket load of stock nuts/bolts/J-clips etc cleaned up and coated... :yes:

[sik68]

More power & less weight, but significant enough changes to warrant the expense of building a new car vs. modifying RD...there's something in plain sight that we aren't seeing! :willy:

[OLDFLM]

More power & less weight, but significant enough changes to warrant the expense of building a new car vs. modifying RD...there's something in plain sight that we aren't seeing! :willy:

More power in a smaller and lighter car... :cheers:

[sik68]

More power in a smaller and lighter car... :cheers:

Yep, 67 vs 69 as he said is a lighter platform...maybe 200lbs max between the two? There is aluminum front sheetmetal for a 69 though so there may be something to offset that.

I'm also on pins and needles to see what you're doing with the tire widths...near 50/50 weight distribution with square or nearly square widths? :unibrow:

Oh yeah, PTM...you heard it here first!

[preston]

Time to start moving the drivetrain and passengers backwards in the car.

Whenever I contemplate pro-tour competitive builds, I am alwasy stumped by what you can do to be better than a late model vette- They have us beat on weight distribution, IRS, unsprung weight, aero, and development. If I was building a max effort pro-tour car I think I would just give up and drop a vintage body on a C6 running chassis. Because the down side to the vette of course is you see 5 of them a day even in Seattle.

The other avenue you can pursue of course is the super lightweight approach ie street rod based design or similar. That won't work with the muscle car envelope though.

Well Stielow's builds are always interesting although with his car building experience I'd like to see him push the envelope a bit more. As he's said though the key to much of his success is being fairly conservative overall and simply applying ingenuity to the details.

[OLDFLM]

Aluminum core supports are also available (AutoRad) as well as complete CF front clips for these cars... even 2nd Gen Pontiac Firebird/Tran Ams have CF noses, hoods, fenders and doors now! :_paranoid

I'd like to see Mark take advantage of ALL of the weight saving products available from out site sponsors and other vendors! :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Mark, any interest in the GRM Ultimate Track Car Challenge? I know the car wont be ready for this years event but maybe next year?

[Ron in SoCal]

Aluminum core supports are also available (AutoRad) as well as complete CF front clips for these cars... even 2nd Gen Pontiac Firebird/Tran Ams have CF noses, hoods, fenders and doors now! :_paranoid

I'd like to see Mark take advantage of ALL of the weight saving products available from out site sponsors and other vendors! :thumbsup:

Ty who makes complete first gen carbon fiber clips?

[Stielow]

More power & less weight, but significant enough changes to warrant the expense of building a new car vs. modifying RD...there's something in plain sight that we aren't seeing! :willy:

I sold Red Devil because people are not as interested in a 3 year old car as they are a new build. I know it sucks but it is true. I was at the OUSCI last year and the design judge asked me "so, is this is the same car as last year?". I knew that was less style points. The magazines also want fresh cars (preferably not Camaros). Everyone expects me to build a new car better than the last.

Sorry I'm being a bit guarded on what is in the car but this is still a race and I do need to have a few tricks up my sleeve. I could be paranoid but I think people are gunning for me. :_paranoid

I could do an ultra light weight car that would be a track only car but I don’t want to own a car like that. I like to drive my car back and forth to work and on Hot Rod Power Tour if I wanted to. So things like side glass, sound deading, Air Conditioning, windshield wipers and a radio make it a “real” car. If I put the same time effort and money in a C-6 Corvette it would crush any Pro-Touring 1st Gen. Camaro. I know folks want to believe the their $100+K Pro Tour Camaro can whip a C-6 Z06 but it is hard to do as Danny Popp showed everyone. A late model Corvette has better: Aerodynamic, Center of Gravity, Weight Distribution, Polar Moment of Inertia, Track Width, Full sorted ABS, Traction Control. MR shocks, Air Conditioning, and you can buy one today that will kick most Pro-Tourings cars butt.

But I love old Camaros….I’ll keep trying to close the gap but it is hard. I do this as a hobby and for fun. I love designing new engine parts then running a engine on the dyno, sorting out shock valving, working on the technical issues on how to make ABS brakes work. This stuff is fun. With all the great products out there now from DSE and others these cars are fairly easy to build compared to 10 years ago. I’m sure someone will build an all carbon fiber, 2000lbs, AWD, 1200 HP Camaro someday and that will be very cool. It’s just beyond what I could do in my 3 car garage in my spare time.

When I was in college we had a competition called Formula SAE. OUSCI is like big boys and girls FSAE. We work on cars after class and on weekends for one race. Humm sounds like OUSCI but now we have work in place of classes. Formula SAE had a subjective engineer design portion; OUSCI has a subjective style portion. Formula SAE and OUSCI have track events. The big difference is FSAE and OUSCI both had one page of rules when it started. Now FSAE has about 20+ pages of rules…. So you folks wanting rules just look at FSAE.

Sorry that is off topic, but it is related to this build. My buddy in college who did the engine development on our FSAE car is the same guy doing my engine for this car: Dave Mikels. So there is a lot of continuity. Dave and I talked daily about our FSAE car in college and now we talk daily about OUSCI. Without Dave’s help I could not do well in OUSCI. On a side note on FSAE when I left University of Missouri - Rolla our next team caption for FSAE was Kyle Tucker…..Humm. Kyle is a great engineer and driver and he picked some or that up with FSAE.

These cars are more than the sum of their parts. It is the way they are tuned and tested that make the big difference. From 2010 OUSCI to 2011 OUSCI I shaved 3 seconds off my road course time with the same car with the same parts just by tuning it.

We should have the new engine on dyno next week. This is where the theory meets reality. Dave and I have modeled it and talked about it all winter. Now we will find out if it will make the numbers we think it will. This is fun stuff. I’ll never forget when Dave and I were in college and our FSAE engine cleared 100 HP in an open air dyno with no dyno cell. We sat 6 feet from it with no wall with it wailing at 10,000 RPM and the turbo system cherry red. As we spooled it up we could see our team mates backing up. People could hear it run all across campus on a Friday night. Good times. So when we fire up our latest creation it is the same but with bigger numbers and a wall.

Anyway I’ll drop some more information, maybe a rendering and a car name on this project soon. For now I just posted a few photos for fun and to get you guys talking.

Mark :lateral:

[Sonar Chief]

Very nice explanation, keep all your secrets guarded as you will :thumbsup:
Nice build, pixs when you can!

[Sieg]

Well said Mark. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Thought about you all weekend - every time I crested turn 5....:D

Good post Mark!

[clill]

You might be able to call it a three car garage if you cram one car in sideways at the back. Two car is more like it.

[Stielow]

Thought about you all weekend - every time I crested turn 5....:D

Good post Mark!

I almost roll that Mustang one time and that's all people remember.

Mark

[coolwelder62]

I sold Red Devil because people are not as interested in a 3 year old car as they are a new build. I know it sucks but it is true. I was at the OUSCI last year and the design judge asked me "so, is this is the same car as last year?". I knew that was less style points. The magazines also want fresh cars (preferably not Camaros). Everyone expects me to build a new car better than the last.

Sorry I'm being a bit guarded on what is in the car but this is still a race and I do need to have a few tricks up my sleeve. I could be paranoid but I think people are gunning for me. :_paranoid

I could do an ultra light weight car that would be a track only car but I don’t want to own a car like that. I like to drive my car back and forth to work and on Hot Rod Power Tour if I wanted to. So things like side glass, sound deading, Air Conditioning, windshield wipers and a radio make it a “real” car. If I put the same time effort and money in a C-6 Corvette it would crush any Pro-Touring 1st Gen. Camaro. I know folks want to believe the their $100+K Pro Tour Camaro can whip a C-6 Z06 but it is hard to do as Danny Popp showed everyone. A late model Corvette has better: Aerodynamic, Center of Gravity, Weight Distribution, Polar Moment of Inertia, Track Width, Full sorted ABS, Traction Control. MR shocks, Air Conditioning, and you can buy one today that will kick most Pro-Tourings cars butt.

But I love old Camaros….I’ll keep trying to close the gap but it is hard. I do this as a hobby and for fun. I love designing new engine parts then running a engine on the dyno, sorting out shock valving, working on the technical issues on how to make ABS brakes work. This stuff is fun. With all the great products out there now from DSE and others these cars are fairly easy to build compared to 10 years ago. I’m sure someone will build an all carbon fiber, 2000lbs, AWD, 1200 HP Camaro someday and that will be very cool. It’s just beyond what I could do in my 3 car garage in my spare time.

When I was in college we had a competition called Formula SAE. OUSCI is like big boys and girls FSAE. We work on cars after class and on weekends for one race. Humm sounds like OUSCI but now we have work in place of classes. Formula SAE had a subjective engineer design portion; OUSCI has a subjective style portion. Formula SAE and OUSCI have track events. The big difference is FSAE and OUSCI both had one page of rules when it started. Now FSAE has about 20+ pages of rules…. So you folks wanting rules just look at FSAE.

Sorry that is off topic, but it is related to this build. My buddy in college who did the engine development on our FSAE car is the same guy doing my engine for this car: Dave Mikels. So there is a lot of continuity. Dave and I talked daily about our FSAE car in college and now we talk daily about OUSCI. Without Dave’s help I could not do well in OUSCI. On a side note on FSAE when I left University of Missouri - Rolla our next team caption for FSAE was Kyle Tucker…..Humm. Kyle is a great engineer and driver and he picked some or that up with FSAE.

These cars are more than the sum of their parts. It is the way they are tuned and tested that make the big difference. From 2010 OUSCI to 2011 OUSCI I shaved 3 seconds off my road course time with the same car with the same parts just by tuning it.

We should have the new engine on dyno next week. This is where the theory meets reality. Dave and I have modeled it and talked about it all winter. Now we will find out if it will make the numbers we think it will. This is fun stuff. I’ll never forget when Dave and I were in college and our FSAE engine cleared 100 HP in an open air dyno with no dyno cell. We sat 6 feet from it with no wall with it wailing at 10,000 RPM and the turbo system cherry red. As we spooled it up we could see our team mates backing up. People could hear it run all across campus on a Friday night. Good times. So when we fire up our latest creation it is the same but with bigger numbers and a wall.

Anyway I’ll drop some more information, maybe a rendering and a car name on this project soon. For now I just posted a few photos for fun and to get you guys talking.

Mark :lateral:Good insite Mark.For the last 10 year's I have been involved w/the Kansas university FSAE team.Have been helping them W/ fabrication and welding design,I have learned alot and hopfully the student's have learned also.It has helped in my car building also.:thumbsup: Scott Mock.

[Jr]

Anyway I’ll drop some more information, maybe a rendering and a car name on this project soon. For now I just posted a few photos for fun and to get you guys talking.

Mark :lateral:

Where are the pictures?

[ironworks]

I sold Red Devil because people are not as interested in a 3 year old car as they are a new build. I know it sucks but it is true. I was at the OUSCI last year and the design judge asked me "so, is this is the same car as last year?". I knew that was less style points. The magazines also want fresh cars (preferably not Camaros). Everyone expects me to build a new car better than the last.

Sorry I'm being a bit guarded on what is in the car but this is still a race and I do need to have a few tricks up my sleeve. I could be paranoid but I think people are gunning for me. :_paranoid

I could do an ultra light weight car that would be a track only car but I don’t want to own a car like that. I like to drive my car back and forth to work and on Hot Rod Power Tour if I wanted to. So things like side glass, sound deading, Air Conditioning, windshield wipers and a radio make it a “real” car. If I put the same time effort and money in a C-6 Corvette it would crush any Pro-Touring 1st Gen. Camaro. I know folks want to believe the their $100+K Pro Tour Camaro can whip a C-6 Z06 but it is hard to do as Danny Popp showed everyone. A late model Corvette has better: Aerodynamic, Center of Gravity, Weight Distribution, Polar Moment of Inertia, Track Width, Full sorted ABS, Traction Control. MR shocks, Air Conditioning, and you can buy one today that will kick most Pro-Tourings cars butt.

But I love old Camaros….I’ll keep trying to close the gap but it is hard. I do this as a hobby and for fun. I love designing new engine parts then running a engine on the dyno, sorting out shock valving, working on the technical issues on how to make ABS brakes work. This stuff is fun. With all the great products out there now from DSE and others these cars are fairly easy to build compared to 10 years ago. I’m sure someone will build an all carbon fiber, 2000lbs, AWD, 1200 HP Camaro someday and that will be very cool. It’s just beyond what I could do in my 3 car garage in my spare time.

When I was in college we had a competition called Formula SAE. OUSCI is like big boys and girls FSAE. We work on cars after class and on weekends for one race. Humm sounds like OUSCI but now we have work in place of classes. Formula SAE had a subjective engineer design portion; OUSCI has a subjective style portion. Formula SAE and OUSCI have track events. The big difference is FSAE and OUSCI both had one page of rules when it started. Now FSAE has about 20+ pages of rules…. So you folks wanting rules just look at FSAE.

Sorry that is off topic, but it is related to this build. My buddy in college who did the engine development on our FSAE car is the same guy doing my engine for this car: Dave Mikels. So there is a lot of continuity. Dave and I talked daily about our FSAE car in college and now we talk daily about OUSCI. Without Dave’s help I could not do well in OUSCI. On a side note on FSAE when I left University of Missouri - Rolla our next team caption for FSAE was Kyle Tucker…..Humm. Kyle is a great engineer and driver and he picked some or that up with FSAE.

These cars are more than the sum of their parts. It is the way they are tuned and tested that make the big difference. From 2010 OUSCI to 2011 OUSCI I shaved 3 seconds off my road course time with the same car with the same parts just by tuning it.

We should have the new engine on dyno next week. This is where the theory meets reality. Dave and I have modeled it and talked about it all winter. Now we will find out if it will make the numbers we think it will. This is fun stuff. I’ll never forget when Dave and I were in college and our FSAE engine cleared 100 HP in an open air dyno with no dyno cell. We sat 6 feet from it with no wall with it wailing at 10,000 RPM and the turbo system cherry red. As we spooled it up we could see our team mates backing up. People could hear it run all across campus on a Friday night. Good times. So when we fire up our latest creation it is the same but with bigger numbers and a wall.

Anyway I’ll drop some more information, maybe a rendering and a car name on this project soon. For now I just posted a few photos for fun and to get you guys talking.

Mark :lateral:

The thing with tuning is how much work did it take in that year to get that 3 seconds? I'm sure a ton.

Lots of interesting info there, thanks Mark.

[camcojb]

I almost roll that Mustang one time and that's all people remember.

Mark

that is NOT a third gear corner............ :lol:

[Stielow]

that is NOT a third gear corner............ :lol:

Yes, but at least it was the out lap with Charley watching and you riding shot run. Sorry about that. Glad we didn't flip it. In my mind that was a slow third gear turn, I mixed it up with another turn. Very embarrassing. At least all my friends remember years later and still give me crap about it...

Mark :cheers:

[Track Junky]

It amazes me on what a little insite about someone can change your whole perspective on them. Thanks for sharing the back ground history. Didn't know you and Kyle went to school together.
On another note, yeah, Vettes are fast out of the box but where's the challenge in that.
And of course competitors are gunning for you. Thats just human nature. Who wouldn't want to have Stielow status. I'm pretty sure I speak for all when I say your the top guy among the Pro-Touring competition builds.
As far as the build goes, Im glad to hear you'll be putting sound deadener, AC, etc. All that stuff will add weight and slow you down. Who knows, I might see you at a track some day and I need every advantage I can get. :lol:

[camcojb]

Yes, but at least it was the out lap with Charley watching and you riding shot run. Sorry about that. Glad we didn't flip it. In my mind that was a slow third gear turn, I mixed it up with another turn. Very embarrassing. At least all my friends remember years later and still give me crap about it...

Mark :cheers:

that's what friends do. :lol: Hey, I'll ride shotgun with you anywhere anytime. :drive: :brix:

[214Chevy]

.... I know folks want to believe the their $100+K Pro Tour Camaro can whip a C-6 Z06 but it is hard to do as Danny Popp showed everyone.
I know right? I think it's funny when guys say that. It may be a car somewhere who can do it. But not near as many as some owners of classics might think. Maybe, someone with a 1000 hp/600tq. ft. lbs classic can beat a Z06 in a straight line, but at a track...don't see it.


...I could be paranoid but I think people are gunning for me. :_paranoid

This is true Mark when you are at the top of your game!! It appears you and your builds are what other guys seem to gauge their builds off of:thumbsup:

[68SS2]

Talking about your experiences with FSAE for Mark, Scott, and Kyle brought back a lot of memories for me. I led the Iowa State FSAE engine team for a couple of years and worked on the first all aluminum race frame that our school had built (lots of tig welding and then heat treating)

That was a great time racing in Detroit on the autocross and getting the backstage tour of the factories. Ford machined us some billet aluminum parts in their prototype shop that we had broken and I was very impressed with the personnel and their knowledge.

Reading everyone's posts about the next event makes me really excited to get my Chevelle completed and appreciative of all the great information on this site.

Thanks
Doug

[70Nova]

Enjoyed the FSAE story. I watched my son as the chassis guy for a Texas A&M car one year that did well. His team was followed the next year by a car that did well too where the engine guy was named Horace......look what he has accomplished in a short amount of time.....Mast Motorsports.

[David Pozzi]

Mark, thanks for talking a little about your past & perspective on why you are building Camaros the way you do. I think it is SO easy to get caught up in building a "competitive" car these days, but sacrifice too much. I commend you for striving to build the kind of car you will enjoy using, & still making it faster than the last one.

I'd like to ask you what is your opinion on hiding the ECM, ETC under the dash? I see in the last one you had a lot of that stuff in the engine compartment.
David

[Stielow]

Mark, thanks for talking a little about your past & perspective on why you are building Camaros the way you do. I think it is SO easy to get caught up in building a "competitive" car these days, but sacrifice too much. I commend you for striving to build the kind of car you will enjoy using, & still making it faster than the last one.

I'd like to ask you what is your opinion on hiding the ECM, ETC under the dash? I see in the last one you had a lot of that stuff in the engine compartment.
David

David

I hid the ECM and Fuse Panel on Jackass and it looked better but was a pain in the butt. I hate digging around under the dash. On Red Devil I wanted to get to stuff quickly because I knew I was going to track the car a lot. It worked great. I had the ECM out of that car at least 20 time for various reflashs or needing it to dyno another engine. No one said it looked bad most said it looked OE. One thing that we spent a lot of time on was the wiring on Red Devil. It was complicated, but due to a lot of forethought it looked great and work correct from the first turn of the key. I credit that to my buddy Ryan Kuhlenbeck who was super detailed on the wiring. I have a complete schematic of the harness down to what wire and color are in every connector. So later if you need to trouble shoot an issue you can go right to the connectors and check it out.

Good luck with the "Wife Beater" :lol:

Mark

[David Pozzi]

The ECM is under the dash on Mary's Camaro along with the fuse box. I had to pull the fuse box out & fix a pulled out fuel pump wire when it wouldn't start the first time. Banging around under the dash isn't fun as I get older!
David

[DTM Racing]

Sometimes I'll waste hours just looking at something trying to figure out the best location as far as accessibility, aesthetics, and function. Can be quite the pain in the ass.

[SLO_Z28]

So, here is THE most important questions of any build, what size and model of tires? Why not bigger and/or stickier? :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

So, here is THE most important questions of any build, what size and model of tires? Why not bigger and/or stickier? :thumbsup:

The "stickier" portion is regulated by the 200 treadwear limit for Optima. :thumbsup:

[SLO_Z28]

The "stickier" portion is regulated by the 200 treadwear limit for Optima. :thumbsup:

If you wanted to push against the status quo you could run the Dunlop Direzza Star Spec in 275/35/18 on all 4 corners, have a more balanced setup because of the square sizes, and you'd have more grip than a set of tires with with 130-160mm more total section width.

[Garage Dog 65]

With the possibility of ABS on this car - what about using some of your GM access and add some accelerometers in there and gen up a stabili-trak system like the vette/caddy product.

Jim

[Ron in SoCal]

99% sure it's lighter Jeff, but may not be significant savings; you can pick that thing up w your pinky. The opening is wider to support their wider radiator...

[itsals1]

No matter what Mark decides, it will be awesome! I think the best part of this build is that its a 67' NOT a 69'. Hopefully will see some of his engineering marvels :hail: for us 67' camaro lovers.

Travis

[Ron in SoCal]

We're saying the same thing Jeff. 12 lbs vs 17. 100lbs = - .10. Not significant, but light enough to pick up w your pinky. :thumbsup:

[NovaBlue71]

Would not worry to much about the weight savings guys. I know for certain there is not one of the fancy aluminum rad. support going in this car from what I've seen. Hopefully we can get some progress pic's of bodywork posted tonight. We have made great progress so far. :thumbsup: Joe

[Stielow]

Update from Paul and Joe, they are making great progress. Brian Thomson has my engine togther. Lots of fun stuff happening.

Only 24 weeks until SEMA......

Mark

[Rick D]

Looking great Mark, so what is the first event you are going to? Hoping to be at? Somewhere in the Midwest I hope? :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Stance is :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Looking great Mark, so whatis the first event you are going to? Hoping to be at? Somewhere in the Midwest I hope? :thumbsup:

Well the "Home Run" plan is to have the car at Holley's LS Fest in Sept. Looking at all the work that is a stretch goal. But it is a great event and I would like to be there. Paul and Joe are telling me I'll have the car back July 1. I'm taking two weeks’ vacation to hammer out the wiring and the plumbing then start assembling the car. With a lot of help from some key people I could make it. We'll see. I still have my day job and I’m getting to old for the “all nighters”…

The big critical part is the wiring. My projects are approaching a factory Corvette system for complexity and that is the long lead item for the assembly. Luckily I have my notes from Red Devil and we should be able to copy a lot of that.

I could have the car “running” at LS Fest and tell the magazines they can’t shoot it yet. That is an option. I took Red Devil to Motorstate a couple years ago just done and it was a fun event.

The big goal is SEMA. If we just test prior to SEMA and show up with the car there that could be the fall back plan.

Mark

[coolwelder62]

Mark,:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[garickman]

I could have the car “running” at LS Fest and tell the magazines they can’t shoot it yet. Mark


Most people dream of getting their car in a magazine. You have to tell them not to put your car in a magazine. That's when you know "you're the man".

[Stielow]

Most people dream of getting their car in a magazine. You have to tell them not to put your car in a magazine. That's when you know "you're the man".

I didn't mean that the wrong way. I look at photos of Red Devil at Motorstate and I see all the stuff not done. I have had 4 photo shoots on that car and each one has more stuff done on the car. I'm not sure if people care but it bugs me. If some folks think it is cool to see the car half done I could bring it to a event "running" but not SEMA ready.

Mark

[OLDFLM]

I didn't mean that the wrong way. I look at photos of Red Devil at Motorstate and I see all the stuff not done. I have had 4 photo shoots on that car and each one has more stuff done on the car. I'm not sure if people care but it bugs me. If some folks think it is cool to see the car half done I could bring it to a event "running" but not SEMA ready.

Mark

That beats "SEMA ready" but not running in my book any day!! :thumbsup:

imo you're far too critical of yourself Mark... but that's also what makes your builds so impressive!

[tones2SS]

Stance is :thumbsup:

I was just thinking that. Looks great.

[kp.touring]

Hey Mark I'm a little late to the thread, looking forward to seeing the car, a cool build as always.

Kevin

[ScotI]

Wheel/tire sizes for this one?

[Stielow]

Wheel/tire sizes for this one?

I’m still debating that. I’m package protected up to a 285 front and a 345 rear. I need to evaluate the current 200 tread wear tires that are out now and determine which ones are the best for all events.

They bolt on so I’m not worried about it.

They could change a few times prior to SEMA.

Mark

[andreb]

This is already an awesome build. I feel like a junkie waiting for another fix. I look forward to every update. But in the meantime, I'll read your Building the Mule book....again! Best money spent. Love it. :thumbsup:

[ScotI]

I’m still debating that. I’m package protected up to a 285 front and a 345 rear. I need to evaluate the current 200 tread wear tires that are out now and determine which ones are the best for all events.

They bolt on so I’m not worried about it.

They could change a few times prior to SEMA.

Mark
I figured there might be some strategy behind sizing on this project based on what was learned from the recent builds (Jackass & Red Devil). The whole 69 vs. 67 spacial constraints within the wheel-wells had me wondering.

Since this one is a 67 like RedWitch, I was curious if we might see something different because of the different suspension configuration.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Started blocking primer on Marks car this morning, The car is looking great and moving along quickly.

Thought Id put a little motivator on the side.. lol:thumbsup:

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa288/Paul67II/photo25.jpg

[Sieg]

You're one of the few that can get away with tagging Mark's car.

I like it. :unibrow:

[sixnina]

Maybe I missed it but which radiator are you using?
Shane

[Stielow]

Maybe I missed it but which radiator are you using?
Shane

I had Griffin build me a custom radiator and an intercooler for this build. I had a similar one in Red Devil and it worked great.

Mark

[fleetus macmullitz]

What's new on this missile project, Mark? :cool:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

My dad and I have been hitting it hard on Marks car non-stop since we got it. As well as trying to stay up on other shop projects. The car is Moving along very good. The whole body is ready to be finish sanded and painted. All panels fit awesome as well as the new hood Mark brought over! I blew the whole car apart last week in order to bodywork the firewall and smooth up the floor pans a little bit. I currently have the car flipped over on the rotisserie right now and have the floor pan about ready to spray. I will get some up to date pictures posted up this weekend. But here are some from last week before I blew the car apart.
I will try and post up pictures more often as we are getting closer to the part everyone wants to see, Paint!

Now off to the garage to work on my car! :willy:

[Vegas69]

When did it quit raining in Michigan? :D

[Track Junky]

Air extractors in the hood....who would have ever thought :unibrow:

[Jr]

Is that hood fiber glass or carbon fiber?

[Sieg]

My guess is Anvil 010001

67-69 CAMARO COWL INDUCTION BARE HOOD C
GLOSSY FINISH
LIGHT WEIGHT "BARE" HOOD 100% CARBON FIBER WITH NO MIDDLE UNDERSTRUCTURE (PERIMETER FRAME) 17 LBS.

[Stielow]

My guess is Anvil 010001

67-69 CAMARO COWL INDUCTION BARE HOOD C
GLOSSY FINISH
LIGHT WEIGHT "BARE" HOOD 100% CARBON FIBER WITH NO MIDDLE UNDERSTRUCTURE (PERIMETER FRAME) 17 LBS.

It is actually a Stielow Engineering 002-V

Carbon Fiber 14 lbs

It is a top and bottom mold to make the top and bottom Class -A surfaces

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4236.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4238.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4242.jpg

Mark

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4247.jpg

[Bow Tie 67]

Very nice Mark is the weight with the inserts?

[Sonar Chief]

That is just too cool :hail: :hail:

I noticed the back seat divider gone, weight savings?

[Jr]

Mark,

The new hood looks killer. :thumbsup:

[BonzoHansen]

So no vent windows? :(

I hope that old red one gets driven. it's too awesome to sit in a garage like a coffee table

[GRob]

I think that hood needs to be put into production. :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

So no vent windows? :(

I hope that old red one gets driven. it's too awesome to sit in a garage like a coffee table

I think he just has the vent windows out for paint. He sold the red car.

[Flash68]

It is actually a Stielow Engineering 002-V

Carbon Fiber 14 lbs



:lol: :thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Car is looking good, and that hood is killer.:thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It is actually a Stielow Engineering 002-V

Carbon Fiber 14 lbs

Mark

thats what im talking about. :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Very nice Mark is the weight with the inserts?

My carbon fiber guy said it was 14 lbs with the carbon fiber inserts. I did these molds 5 -6 years ago for a hood on Red Witch. I think I made three. Scott Gulbranson has one and I'm not sure where the third went. I modified it a little and added the vents out the hood.

As far as selling them I'm not sure anyone would spend what one of these cost. I would need to sell a copy for $3000 each to break even. My Carbon Fiber guy said he had 150 hours in this one.

They are a true carbon fiber hood that doesn't need hood pins. It is made in Canada not overseas. It is made off a top and bottom mold then glues together with a thin spacing material to add stiffness. The bottom is class A surfaced Carbon Fiber.

If you gotta have one drop me a line. But don’t get sticker shock when I tell you the price.

The car is turning out great. Paul and Joe are doing a great and quick job. I always enjoy going to their shop they are fun to work with.

Mark

[GrabberGT]

That is just too cool :hail: :hail:

I noticed the back seat divider gone, weight savings?


I thought the same thing but can you do that without adding in a new lateral support? A cross brace would look cool but not sure how much weight would have been saved.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark,

Even 'Anonymous' hasn't been able to hack your emails and post the color yet. Your security measures are very impressive.

:unibrow:

[OLDFLM]

Looks Great!! Hoping for GM JetStream Blue on this one Mark! Fingers Crossed! :thumbsup:

[BonzoHansen]

I think he just has the vent windows out for paint. He sold the red car.

I mean the new owner!

Mmmm..vent windows....

[itsals1]

Looks Great!! Hoping for GM JetStream Blue on this one Mark! Fingers Crossed! :thumbsup:

Not that I'm right, but I think I remember that Mark is partially color blind and blue is one color that he does not see as we do. I'm going out on a limb and say red.No matter what color it will be awesome!

Travis

[Roberts68]

I'm betting he won't but my vote is for a metallic dark gray/gunmetal/charcoal/anthracite black and leave the carbon.
I'm really not "betting", I know he won't do it.
He doesn't "need" to showcase a one off hood like some of us would feel the need to.

[Jay Hilliard]

Jetstream blue would look amazing. I wonder how a dark green something like the ralley green would look.

There are some off whites that look good also. Picking color is the hardest to me but when you build as many nice cars as Mark has built you can go through the color spectrum and any color looks awesome.

[camcojb]

I mean the new owner!

Mmmm..vent windows....

sorry Scott, misunderstood you on that one. :thumbsup:

[GRob]

Not in the market right now but that price seems reasonable for what you are getting.

[MODO Innovations]

Mark your PM inbox is full.

[Sparks67]

Well, on the 67 Camaro's, I seem to like the original colors of the Camaro's the best. You can get them with clear coat. We used on my 67 RM paint with Rubberseale Clear. I didn't like the stock marina blue, so had a custom mix made. Actually, here is my vote, but it is based on a 67 RS Z28. http://www.67z28.com/history.htm I would also recommend to convert to RS grill to increase the airflow for the heat exchanger for the intercooler.

Just my opinion..


Jeff

[Stielow]

Mark your PM inbox is full.

Sorry cleaned out some

Mark

[carfuss]

Have you ever considered polycarbonate in place of some of the glass to save weight? I was looking at a site that said it was 250 times stronger and 1/2 the weight. I saw it in another build somewhere and was wondering about it myself.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

A little slow for updates but its not because of no progress on the car! My dad and I have been at it hard on the 67' non stop. We got the car in the booth last week and final sealed the car. And painted the floor pan and firewall the other day. Along with some misc parts and the frame!
We should start bolting the car together first part of next week and getting it ready to go in the booth for paint!:thumbsup:

Ill have some more pictures up this weekend. But for now...

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0811.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0814.jpg

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http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0831.jpg

[bdahlg68]

Saw some cool cars in the VEC lobby today, Mark. Maybe you should paint this one matte white!

[coolwelder62]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[wiedemab]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0811.jpg



Don't you just love to scuff and prep the underside - -all those little nook and cranny's..............my fingers hurt just thinking about it! ;)

Awesome work! I guess we'll find out the color soon enough.

[Stielow]

Saw some cool cars in the VEC lobby today, Mark. Maybe you should paint this one matte white!

Too many finger prints. I could not think of a worse color for a track car than flat white. How would you clean it, soft scrub with bleach? That is how I used to clean my white MGB race car.

Mark

[Sled Alley]

car is looking great cant wait to see it painted. your paint work looks incredible :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

The Dutchboy's are making great progress on the '67!

The bottom of the car is done and they are knocking out all the small parts.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4294.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4295.jpg

The new Brembo GT-R brakes showed up this week also.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4291.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4292.jpg

I hope to dyno the engine next week.

Mark

[214Chevy]

Car is coming along nicely. Brakes are beautiful too Mark.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Rick D]

Very nice!! :thumbsup: So did you pick a color yet??? :D

[Cole]

Nice brake setup! Keep em coming..

[FETorino]

Car is coming along nicely. Brakes are beautiful too Mark.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I guess........... If you like that kind of stuff :wow:

[GregWeld]

Car is coming along nicely Mark.... but then, of course, you already knew that!

:D


Awesomeness doesn't just happen...

[fleetus macmullitz]

"Awesomeness doesn't just happen" ...Gwen Weld

:lol:



BTW drool worthy brakes Mark. :cool:

[waynieZ]

Wow serious looking brakes! Its looking great Mark.

[Payton King]

Since you brought up the brakes...are you using the C5/C6 abs unit with calipers sized to match the OEM stuff? Did you have to reprogram the module or can you run it as is?

[garickman]

:lol:



BTW drool worthy brakes Mark. :cool:

At 18K, per set they should be. The car, the builder, the knowledge, the craftsmanship and Mark are simply amazing.:hail: :hail:

[214Chevy]

At 18K, per set they should be. The car, the builder, the knowledge, the craftsmanship and Mark are simply amazing.:hail: :hail:

Damn....I thought they were $8k a set...not $18.:faint: :faint:

[Rick D]

HOLLY COW BATMAN 18K??? :faint: And I'm looking at $800 and thinking that's a lot for brakes!

Mark car is looking great :thumbsup:

Paul and Joe nice work :thumbsup: I see you are using Glasurit is it the 55 line or 90?

[NovaBlue71]

car is looking great cant wait to see it painted. your paint work looks incredible :thumbsup:

Thanks Matt, It's been great to follow behind you after your metal work. Your metal work is beautiful. It without question has helped us move ahead faster than the last car we did for Mark.:thumbsup: Joe

[NovaBlue71]

HOLLY COW BATMAN 18K??? :faint: And I'm looking at $800 and thinking that's a lot for brakes!

Mark car is looking great :thumbsup:

Paul and Joe nice work :thumbsup: I see you are using Glasurit is it the 55 line or 90?

Rick, yes we just put in 55 line but they were pushing the 90 line though. I was close to doing 90/onyx but after talking about and alot of thought we are going to stick with solvent for now. I was able to talk with Mike Ring and my close friend who has been using 90/onyx for close to 3 years and we feel the 55 line is best for us at this time. The glasurit rep. has been great to me over years and they'll put 90/onyx in at no charge when the time comes if they regulate our area to use water. Those brakes look even better in person.:thumbsup: Joe

[Stielow]

Since you brought up the brakes...are you using the C5/C6 abs unit with calipers sized to match the OEM stuff? Did you have to reprogram the module or can you run it as is?

I'm using a C-6 Corvette Z06 ABS module pre-2008. The trick is the factory ABS wheel speed sensors on all four corners and tricking the ABS module to think it is still in a 2007 Corvette and it still connected to all it correct sensors. If you don't get all the sensor correct it will still work but works in a default cal that has lower ABS efficiency. If you don't get the wheel speed sensors and wiring correct the ABS will fault out at very inopportune times. The wheel speed signal error is a hard fault - the system stops working. This is the problem I had 2 years ago. Not all ABS systems and control strategies are created equal. Like the old debate on EFI on if Speed Density, Alpha-N or MAF systems were better. There are different ABS control strategies. So with all that said I mean if you get a 2002 Camaro 3 channel ABS system to work it will not be as good as a C-6 Corvette system. If you just want to keep from locking a tire that is easy. If you want to optimize stopping distance on split Mu (Dry concrete and Ice) that is harder.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_4298.jpg

Note the new gun drilled (weight savings) Strange axles, revised axle end and new spacers. The steel and aluminum spacers were machined by my buddy Ken Tibor.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_3463.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_3877.jpg

Because the production ZR-1 SKF bearings are active wheel sensor I had SKF make me the SKF bearing with passive wheel speed sensors to work with the 2007 Delphi ABS module.

After a lot of debate with Brembo I chose to use the GTR Calipers over the GT Calipers. We had a lot of discussions like "How much HP? We’ll need to call back to Italy and get back to you" :D

So I went with Brembo's recommendation. Those brakes are not for the weak of heart or wallet. Due to my short development time line I don't have time to do a lot of experimentation with the brakes.

I have worked with the Brembo guys a bunch on other projects and I think this may be a bit over kill but they will work. I did size the system to work with the Delphi ABS system. The brakes on Red Devil worked very well and I just wanted to tweak the system a little to make it better.

With a lot of due care you can get ABS to work on an old hot rod. You just need to keep it happy with the correct sensors to make it work. I want to keep my ABS set up my competitive advantage for a while. Bosch does sell an aftermarket ABS system that is laptop programmable. So it is accessible technology to anyone with the budget or time to sort it out. I look at ABS, Stability Control and Performance Traction Management as the next thing for the aftermarket to crack into. Like EFI was 25 years ago only a few people could do it and few aftermarket company’s make systems and they were expensive. Now EFI is main stream and very easy to do. So I see chassis controls going that way in a few years.

Hey if it was easy everyone would be doing it....

If I can get the car out of paint jail I can start putting it together. (Paul and Joe are doing a great job) You can’t rush this quality of a paint job.

Mark

[Ron in SoCal]

^^ Thank you for bringing the tech Mark. Been waiting/wanting to see it on this build....:thumbsup:

[FETorino]

This is where they separate the men from the boys.

It only seems logical to compete with modern day cars you need all the modern day car tricks. Just look at F1 and all the suspension control on those cars these days.

There are a lot of stellar builds on here but this one is on the leading edge and I'm sure many will be copying Marks ideas in the future.:D

Great stuff for progression of the hobby.

[Flash68]

I'm sure many will be copying Marks ideas in the future.:D



That's quite an original thought. :lol:

[FETorino]

That's quite an original thought. :lol:

I should have said latest ideas.:rolleyes: I wonder if anyone else will ever build a first gen camaro as a Lat-G car.:rofl: :rofl:

[badmatt]

Mark,

Are you going to be selling these axle flanges and axle shafts?

Matt

[57hemicuda]

I'm using a C-6 Corvette Z06 ABS module pre-2008. The trick is the factory ABS wheel speed sensors on all four corners and tricking the ABS module to think it is still in a 2007 Corvette and it still connected to all it correct sensors. If you don't get all the sensor correct it will still work but works in a default cal that has lower ABS efficiency. If you don't get the wheel speed sensors and wiring correct the ABS will fault out at very inopportune times. The wheel speed signal error is a hard fault - the system stops working. This is the problem I had 2 years ago. Not all ABS systems and control strategies are created equal. Like the old debate on EFI on if Speed Density, Alpha-N or MAF systems were better. There are different ABS control strategies. So with all that said I mean if you get a 2002 Camaro 3 channel ABS system to work it will not be as good as a C-6 Corvette system. If you just want to keep from locking a tire that is easy. If you want to optimize stopping distance on split Mu (Dry concrete and Ice) that is harder.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_4298.jpg

Note the new gun drilled (weight savings) Strange axles, revised axle end and new spacers. The steel and aluminum spacers were machined by my buddy Ken Tibor.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_3463.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_3877.jpg

Because the production ZR-1 SKF bearings are active wheel sensor I had SKF make me the SKF bearing with passive wheel speed sensors to work with the 2007 Delphi ABS module.

After a lot of debate with Brembo I chose to use the GTR Calipers over the GT Calipers. We had a lot of discussions like "How much HP? We’ll need to call back to Italy and get back to you" :D

So I went with Brembo's recommendation. Those brakes are not for the weak of heart or wallet. Due to my short development time line I don't have time to do a lot of experimentation with the brakes.

I have worked with the Brembo guys a bunch on other projects and I think this may be a bit over kill but they will work. I did size the system to work with the Delphi ABS system. The brakes on Red Devil worked very well and I just wanted to tweak the system a little to make it better.

With a lot of due care you can get ABS to work on an old hot rod. You just need to keep it happy with the correct sensors to make it work. I want to keep my ABS set up my competitive advantage for a while. Bosch does sell an aftermarket ABS system that is laptop programmable. So it is accessible technology to anyone with the budget or time to sort it out. I look at ABS, Stability Control and Performance Traction Management as the next thing for the aftermarket to crack into. Like EFI was 25 years ago only a few people could do it and few aftermarket company’s make systems and they were expensive. Now EFI is main stream and very easy to do. So I see chassis controls going that way in a few years.

Hey if it was easy everyone would be doing it....

If I can get the car out of paint jail I can start putting it together. (Paul and Joe are doing a great job) You can’t rush this quality of a paint job.

Mark

I know I've told you before Mark, but I'm still amazed by the simplicity, and ingenuity of this set up, and am mad I didn't think of it. LOL

Keep up the good work. Ron

[GRob]

Mark,

Fantastic build, and the components are the best of the best.

I'm surprised you don't have a bigger interest in an IRS setup for the rear, I think it'd be helpful particularly on bumpier corners, allowing you to get the power down sooner and keeping the car on line better.

Also, have you ever thought of a traction control system of some sort to also help you get the power down earlier?

[formula88]

Stielow's new powertrain being prepped for engine harness build.:D

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5293.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5296.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5289.jpg

[camcojb]

Can't wait. :thumbsup:

[clill]

Stielow needs to get out in the sun more...And the dope helping him is confused because it isn't electric.

[JohnC]

Awesome. Thanks for the pics, Gordon.

John

[Stielow]

Mark,

Fantastic build, and the components are the best of the best.

I'm surprised you don't have a bigger interest in an IRS setup for the rear, I think it'd be helpful particularly on bumpier corners, allowing you to get the power down sooner and keeping the car on line better.

Also, have you ever thought of a traction control system of some sort to also help you get the power down earlier?

For me the solid rear axle works great and has been very reliable and lighter than an IRS. We have learned a lot about IRSs over the last 8 years and they are better if you have the time and money to tune one.

I have driven a few traction control systems and (PTM) performance traction management systems and so far I've been faster without them. I can say that many less experienced people are faster with them. If you know the track, torque curve of the engine, gearing and have a very good tire model the PTM system is faster. But that means you need to tune it for each track and tire. I have been drivening big power cars with street rubber on them for many years and I’ve been able to calibrate my foot to get a good launch. But for 0-60 AWD is the way to go. Last year at OUSCI I had a near perfect launch for the Speed Stop deal hold about 0.8 G acceleration until 80 MPH on that dusty pad but the GTR still beat me with just WOTing it. I’m traction limited for now so adding any more power is not going to help me for the Speed Stop deal. And my braking is also nearly maxed out with the tires we can use for OUSCI.

Stielow needs to get out in the sun more...And the dope helping him is confused because it isn't electric.

In MI it is either snowing or above 90 degrees so I stay in the shop….

My buddy Ryan Kuhlenbeck is in town to help me get the wiring done on the ’67. He has helped me on the last 3 cars so we have the wiring for the LS9s sorted out. It is also much easier now that GM has a GMPP LSA harness to start from.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5296.jpg

We have another version of the LS9 blower inlet that is opened up more than the one on the Red Devil. We hope to see some power gains out of that also.

[Roberts68]

Do you run the stock Tremec shifter we see there Mark or is that just for mockup?

[69Pressurized]

Hey Mark, what clutch and brake pedal set-up are you using in this build? I know you've switched it up before in other cars. Thanks

[Stielow]

Hey Mark, what clutch and brake pedal set-up are you using in this build? I know you've switched it up before in other cars. Thanks

I'm using the Tremec shifter. I'm using the stock '67 pedel set up with a 2002 F-car cluth slave with a DSE adapter bracket.

Mark

[Rick D]

So how much longer?? Summers going to end!! Mark do you have to qualify for Optima or do you get in because of past winning?? If so where do you plan to qualify?

[brownz]

I'm using the Tremec shifter. I'm using the stock '67 pedel set up with a 2002 F-car cluth slave with a DSE adapter bracket.

Mark

what clutch master cylinder do run in your cars?

[Stielow]

So how much longer?? Summers going to end!! Mark do you have to qualify for Optima or do you get in because of past winning?? If so where do you plan to qualify?

The Optima guys already invited me. This car will be in the Optima battery booth at SEMA and in the OUSCI event. Now all I have to do is finish it....

Mark

[Stielow]

We are finishing up the wiring... Big job on a complicated build.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4309.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4310.jpg

We keep a Excel spread sheet on all the wire, connectors and pinouts.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4311.jpg

We will loom it all up when it is done.

Mark

[Ketzer]

Looking at all that wire makes my head smoke and my right eye get all twitchy...

A whole nother level of incredible engineering! Just amazing. :thumbsup:


Jeff-

[Rick D]

What you can't just order up a new harness?? :faint: :faint: :faint:

[brownz]

What you can't just order up a new harness?? :faint: :faint: :faint:

You know what they say... " If you want it done right, do it yourself!!"

Looks good Mark


RED

[waynieZ]

Looking at all that wire makes my head smoke and my right eye get all twitchy...

A whole nother level of incredible engineering! Just amazing. :thumbsup:


Jeff-

I'm with you Jeff!

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Moving along quickly on the body, Everything is all painted except for the exterior. Should start seeing some body color next week!:thumbsup:

Few pictures from today.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0883.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0882.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0884.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0876.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0877.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0880.jpg

[David Pozzi]

Mark, Is the dry sump tank going in the same place as before?

[Stielow]

Mark, Is the dry sump tank going in the same place as before?

Yes I played with moving it rearward but stuck with the RH forward location.

It worked there and I'm afraid of making the lines too long for a LS7/9 oil pump setup.

Mark

[Tom.A]

Looking good:thumbsup: Do you have removable down bars by the seats or just not using them?

[waynieZ]

Its looking amazing. I love to watch your builds. I have so much to learn

[Sonar Chief]

Amazing build in such a short time .... looks fine :hail: :hail: :hail:

The lack of the rear package tray and the uprights for the back seat -- deleted?

[Steve68]

I built harness's on the shuttle for years, nice work so far,

[Sonar Chief]

And that dash doesn't look like a 67 dash from the back, looks like a 69?

Nice touch ....:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Z10ROD]

been watching this and of course trying to learn more.look great and good progress should make it in time . I was wondereing if i could get a pic of the tab welded to the subframe for the frame connector? oh I like flat colors just not white orange maybe ?:cheers:

[Stielow]

Engine harness, Dash harness and axle harness done. 80 hours work.......

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4323.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4322.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4321.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4320.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4319.jpg

Mark

[nvmyss]

Looks nice and clean.

[coolwelder62]

Mark,What is the spacer for between the bellhousing and trans.Is the clutch setup thicker than stock.Wiring is extra clean.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Beautiful work on the wiring, I love details like that.

[Stielow]

Mark,What is the spacer for between the bellhousing and trans.Is the clutch setup thicker than stack.Wiring is extra clean.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The spacer is .850" thick to allow the stack up to be correct to run a LS9 twin disk cllutch in front of a TR6060 with a 2002 style bellhousing. D&D Perfromance made the spacer and sells them.

I'm on the edge on the stock LS9 clucth but it drives great with very low effort and a great feel.

We build all the wiring from scratch. If you start with a GMPP LSA harness it is much easier.

Ryan Kuhlenbeck also wired Red Devil and we used that as a templete for this build.

The VanNus's (Dutchboys Restoration) is starting to shoot color tomorrow so I'm getting closer to getting the car back.

Mark :lateral:

[Rick D]

Mark the wiring looks great! Question for you how come you do not run a scatter shield?? So when are we going to see the color??? :willy:

[Jtomas801]

Hi Mark,

Did D&D performance do any tricks on the inside of the transmission, or is it stock from the factory? Also I see an oil pump for the trans, are you just using the fill and drain ports to remove the oil or is there some sort of spray bar in there?

The car is coming along nice hopefully I will be able to see it in person one day. :thumbsup:

Thanks,
Jon

[67XR7]

HEY Mark, where do you buy all your wiring blank plugs and etc.? I'm still using GM weather pack stuff but sometimes I need more then 5-6 slots.

[56pickup]

Looks great Mark! :thumbsup:

[ma73z]

HEY Mark, where do you buy all your wiring blank plugs and etc.? I'm still using GM weather pack stuff but sometimes I need more then 5-6 slots.

I'd also like to know where to buy them. :cheers:

[JMitch19]

HEY Mark, where do you buy all your wiring blank plugs and etc.? I'm still using GM weather pack stuff but sometimes I need more then 5-6 slots.

I can't answer for Mark, but the company I work for does some GM harness work for the aftermarket. We have found powerandsignal.com to be your best bet for higher quantity orders and mouser.com to be the best for low quantity.

[HEEP]

So, from what I can see, Mark keeps an extra sub frame in the garage just in case?:D
The wiring is fantastic. I wish I could do this type of detail.

HEEP

[Stielow]

Hi Mark,

Did D&D performance do any tricks on the inside of the transmission, or is it stock from the factory? Also I see an oil pump for the trans, are you just using the fill and drain ports to remove the oil or is there some sort of spray bar in there?

The car is coming along nice hopefully I will be able to see it in person one day. :thumbsup:

Thanks,
Jon

D&D Perf said the TR6060 is good as is.

We are using a Weldon oil pump to run the oil to a cooler and sucking out of the drain and returning into the fill port.

Mark

[Stielow]

I can't answer for Mark, but the company I work for does some GM harness work for the aftermarket. We have found powerandsignal.com to be your best bet for higher quantity orders and mouser.com to new the best for low quantity.

We get most of the connectors from Mouser and some from GM service parts.

Mark

[Stielow]

So, from what I can see, Mark keeps an extra sub frame in the garage just in case?:D
The wiring is fantastic. I wish I could do this type of detail.

HEEP

I have another '69 in the wings to be built.:_paranoid

Mark

[HEEP]

I've watched your builds since I joined this site. I figured you had something. I've been planning my Chevelle for 20 something years. you can build more cars than 'I can plan. Thanks for giving us these updates. I learn something everytime I see a post.

HEEP

[next69]

Mark, do you have any plans for a Nova? I thought I seen something years ago that you owned the 72 Nova that W2W turned into the Super Sleeper.

[Ketzer]

Oh man, a Stielow Nova would be effin' sweet!!




Jeff-

[carbuff]

Mark,

From the pictures, it appears that you are running the stock bellhousing, unless that was just for mockup. Is that correct? At the power levels you are making, do you not think you would want something stronger? Or is your opinion that the stock bellhousing would be sufficient in case of a clutch failure?

Also, on your transmission cooler, I don't know what transmission temps are supposed to be, but I think I just read that the Weldon pump is thermostatically controlled. Is that correct, and do you run within that window, or do you control/override it somehow?

Finally, what size lines are you running to/from the trans cooler? I would think that a heavy weight oil like that would need larger lines, but I think I read that the pump is set up for -6AN lines?

As always, appreciate the education!

[clill]

The problem with a Nova is it costs just as much to build as a Camaro if not more and when you are done and ready to sell it you will probably have half as many Nova buyers and will be lucky to get half as much.

[PTAddict]

Mark,

From the pictures, it appears that you are running the stock bellhousing, unless that was just for mockup. Is that correct? At the power levels you are making, do you not think you would want something stronger? Or is your opinion that the stock bellhousing would be sufficient in case of a clutch failure?

Also, on your transmission cooler, I don't know what transmission temps are supposed to be, but I think I just read that the Weldon pump is thermostatically controlled. Is that correct, and do you run within that window, or do you control/override it somehow?

Finally, what size lines are you running to/from the trans cooler? I would think that a heavy weight oil like that would need larger lines, but I think I read that the pump is set up for -6AN lines?

As always, appreciate the education!

I'm using this setup - Weldon pump drawing from the drain, returning through the fill, with a small FluidDyne cooler, on my D&D T56. No T-stat - just a switch. With the cooler on, temps typically stay below 200F. On a couple of occasions when I forgot to flip the switch, temps would climb into the high 200s by 10 minutes into a track session, and shifting would start to get sticky.

In "normal" driving, temps never exceed low 200s without the cooler on.

One thing we did was use a single fluid temp gauge with sensors in the diff, trans, and engine, then use a 3-way switch to select which is displayed. I'll usually monitor engine oil temp during a run, then check on trans and diff temp during the cool-down lap. I'm not running a diff cooler, and have seen 260-270 diff temps with synthetic diff fluid on hot days. Marginal, but not enough to have me figure out how to package diff cooling in my setup just yet. Oh, and don't get me started on all of the tricks we had to use to keep diff fluid from being pumped out during a session ...

In my case I'm using a QuickTime 4th-gen F-body housing. SFI rated, and still relatively light. I figure I wouldn't need it if I was confident I would never hit 3rd while upshifting to 5th - but I'm not quite that confident :)

[67XR7]

I can't answer for Mark, but the company I work for does some GM harness work for the aftermarket. We have found powerandsignal.com to be your best bet for higher quantity orders and mouser.com to new the best for low quantity.

Thanks!!

[BigEddie]

WOW...just read through the whole thread. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Sieg]

The VanNus's (Dutchboys Restoration) is starting to shoot color tomorrow so I'm getting closer to getting the car back.

Mark :lateral:

http://www.desmonorthwest.com/forums/images/smilies/popcorn2.gif

[MarkM66]

The problem with a Nova is it costs just as much to build as a Camaro if not more and when you are done and ready to sell it you will probably have half as many Nova buyers and will be lucky to get half as much.

So true; And starter cars aren't that far apart on price either.

[Stielow]

The problem with a Nova is it costs just as much to build as a Camaro if not more and when you are done and ready to sell it you will probably have half as many Nova buyers and will be lucky to get half as much.

People always give me a hard time for building "another First Gen Camaro". I build Camaro's because I really like them and when you it comes time to sell them they are easy to sell. I also have a ton of spare parts....:rofl:

Mark

[sokoloka]

Any teaser pics of the final color choice?

[Greg from Aus]

Mark,

Are you using a oil pump for diff cooling? if so can you let me know were you are running the return to, I'm using a weldon pump and trying to work out how to plumb it.

Thanks
Greg

[b757jetdr]

Hello Mark,
I have a quick question for you, what was the reason you went with a full roll cage (at least from the pics) vs a 4 point like you used in Red Devil?? I am in the building stages of a 69 and was going to do the full cage with enginge bay bars etc.. (not sure if thats the proper term) but I talked it over with my builder (Billy Utley) and came to the decision that for what I am going to use the car for a 4 point will work for me. I still toss the idea around to be honest as I can see my self getting this car done taking it to the track and really getting addicted to the track events. I plan to use the car for street,cruises, and some track events. I thought I remembered reading a bilp from you once that you never use anything more than a 4 point, then this car popped up so just wondered if there was a reason?

Also one last question, what did you use to wrap/cover your wire bundles with??

I love your car and look forward to seeing it come together. I am hoping to have mine close to done next summer!

[Garage Dog 65]

Hi Mark,

I check through the entire build and what a beast this should be !

I didn't see where anyone had asked this before - but what color are you gonna paint this one ???


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Jim

[214Chevy]

Any teaser pics of the final color choice?
has he picked a color yet?
...I guess we'll find out the color soon enough.
Very nice!! :thumbsup: So did you pick a color yet??? :D
I find it very funny that the number one question I get on this car is "what color is it gunna be"....




^^^^^^ You must have been speed reading. It's only been asked 500 times.:lol: :lol: Here are a few. Just kidding....we are all dying to know. :faint: :faint:


Hi Mark,

I check through the entire build and what a beast this should be !

I didn't see where anyone had asked this before - but what color are you gonna paint this one ???


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Jim

[Sales@Dutchboys]

I know what color! Lol sorry guys..
Soon...my friends soon...

We are cutting in parts this week and prepping the car to be painted here in the next week or so.

Mark will be by the shop this week to check the color in person.
Then maybe he'll let the cat out off the bag!

[214Chevy]

I know what color! Lol sorry guys..
Soon...my friends soon...

We are cutting in parts this week and prepping the car to be painted here in the next week or so.

Mark will be by the shop this week to check the color in person.
Then maybe he'll let the cat out off the bag!

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drama: :drama:

(patiently waiting :yes: :yes:)

[Ketzer]

Light blue metallic.

[Rick D]

I know what color! Lol sorry guys..
Soon...my friends soon...

We are cutting in parts this week and prepping the car to be painted here in the next week or so.

Mark will be by the shop this week to check the color in person.
Then maybe he'll let the cat out off the bag!

What ever!!!!! Paul :P

[214Chevy]

Light blue metallic.

I would love that. I'm strongly contemplating light blue metallic on my C10, with matte grey wheels and brushed lips.

[Sieg]

I know what color! Lol sorry guys..


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[coolwelder62]

I peak in the window today and have seen the awesome Color.:willy:

[camcojb]

I peak in the window today and have seen the awesome Color.:willy:

That's a long drive for you, just for a peak. :D