1967 Camaro for OUSCI

[Rick D]

Drill some holes?? :_paranoid

Ryan, most of the time the holes are drilled before paint. Unless it is thought of after the paint to install. Notice I said most of the time some guys will drill after but that just nuts :cool:

Car isn't getting a rear spoiler.:thumbsup: Joe

There you go!!

[FETorino]

Car isn't getting a rear spoiler.:thumbsup: Joe

It isn't getting the RAD10s in the other rendering either.


http://formula43.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/cropped-wordpressbanner_red1.jpg
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd375/tjohnson151/stielow_mayhem_final_blk.jpg
FORMULA 43 Open House, Unveiling the New RADS6 Wheel Design on Mark Stielow's 1967 Camaro "Mayhem"
Click on the link below to register, everyone is welcome!
http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e6cxhzaq138f2b8a&llr=64c9ajiab

[KevinK]

Incredible build ,...wow! :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

FORMULA 43 Open House, Unveiling the New RADS6 Wheel Design on Mark Stielow's 1967 Camaro "Mayhem"
Click on the link below to register, everyone is welcome!
http://events.r20.constantcontact.co...&llr=64c9ajiab (http://events.r20.constantcontact.com/register/event?oeidk=a07e6cxhzaq138f2b8a&llr=64c9ajiab)


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Stream it live..

[Amituk]

So whats under the panels?

9mm and some clips?

[Sieg]

So whats under the panels?

9mm and some clips?

We're talking Mayhem here!

HK M320 Grenade Launcher ;)

http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320.jpg

[65_LS1_T56]

So whats under the panels?

9mm and some clips?

Mark does live near Detroit :_paranoid

[Roberts68]

Are we certain they are not access panels for a pair of these?:lol: Although something tells me 88mph would be far easier to reach in short distance for Mayhem than a DeLorean. Mayhem will probably also give at least the illusion of time travel to any passenger without a single flux capacitor.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs25/i/2009/248/3/e/Flux_Capacitor_Time_Machine_by_cavemanmac.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

So whats under the panels?

9mm and some clips?

Actually that would be magazines unless he is sporting a garand. :)

[g356gear]

Being that we have seen high quality pro-touring Camaros pull some healthy dollars ( Eg. Payback close to 100K ), what would be a fair price for a car like Red Devil, given its incredible winning history and stature in the hobby?

[WSSix]

I doubt those that know will tell. It would have to be 100k plus for sure. If not, then damn someone got a deal.

[coolwelder62]

Being that we have seen high quality pro-touring Camaros pull some healthy dollars ( Eg. Payback close to 100K ), what would be a fair price for a car like Red Devil, given its incredible winning history and stature in the hobby?250K-300K

[Jr]

Just for fun, look up Thompson's pricing on a built ls9.

[WILWAXU]

Posted on PlanetLSX.com http://www.planetlsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5920
Local event that attracts a few vendors and some badass car builders....

Pratt and Miller are getting into resto mods...

67 Chevelle 630hp LSA...

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w291/lpe403/20121004_215502.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w291/lpe403/20121004_215230.jpg

Mark Steilows 67....

880/800 LS9
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w291/lpe403/20121004_204143.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w291/lpe403/20121004_204127.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w291/lpe403/20121004_204102.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

The new Formula 43 Wheel posted in Mark's thread first...:thumbsup:

[FETorino]

The new Formula 43 Wheel posted in Mark's thread first...:thumbsup:

Yes they were :D

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/WP_000209-1.jpg

[CarlC]

Posted on PlanetLSX.com http://www.planetlsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5920

Both of those are VaporWorx equip'd. That's an LSA in the Chevelle.

[Ron in SoCal]

Both of those are VaporWorx equip'd. That's an LSA in the Chevelle.

Shameless promotional plug...:D

[WSSix]

Man did Mayhem turn out nice. I love it. Good job Mark and everyone else involved in the build!

[bdahlg68]

I missed the open house tonight courtesy of UPS Freight... bastards wasted 2 hours of my time. I was hoping to snap some good pictures of Mayhem!

[Rick D]

Me likey those wheels :cool: Well the rest of the car ain't bad either :wow:

[formula88]

Mayhem at Formula 43 open house.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5689.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5691.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5692.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5695.jpg

Oops...no flash
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5696.jpg

[randy]

did the transmission tunnel have to be raised?

Do you have any pic of your transmission crossmember?

[FETorino]

Mayhem at Formula 43 open house.



http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5692.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5695.jpg



:wow:

Somebody in this thread said they didn't like the strip. Tar and Feather them.

:cheers:

[snappytravis]

:wow:

Somebody in this thread said they didn't like the strip. Tar and Feather them.

:cheers:

Ya, It doesn't matter what they don't like, If it was your car I bet you wouldn't complain, When you hammer down on 880 hp, doesn't matter what color anything is.:hail: I like how it all looks factory under the hood

[89 RS]

Incredible, the finished project is insane! :thumbsup: I may have missed it, but what size wheels/tires is Mark running? Those wheels are sweet.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mayhem at Formula 43 open house.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5689.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5691.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5692.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5695.jpg

Oops...no flash
http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/DSC_5696.jpg

Nice pics Gordon. :thumbsup:

Mark never disappoints. :cool:

[MarkM66]

Doesn't look like this one is getting a rear spoiler. Beautiful car.

Cole Trickle: Whoa. Her ass is all over the place.
Harry Hogge: When the rear end's loose, the car's fast. Loose is fast, and on the edge of out of control.

:)

[hifi875]

The bar has just been raised in 67-68 camaros. It will be hard to top this one:D

[Sieg]

The car looks great!

:morepower .........and how much less weight??

[Roberts68]

The bar has just been raised in 67-68 camaros. It will be hard to top this one:D

Good luck to those that reach to do so, although luck has little to do with having the resources to get there. .;)
:unibrow:

[Sonar Chief]

WOW :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Attention to detail is over the top, nice job Mark.
Does anyone recognize those headlights?

[rsgt]

Wow, beautiful car. I like it.

[Stuart Adams]

Bitchin car.

[Formula43 Wheel]

Incredible, the finished project is insane! :thumbsup: I may have missed it, but what size wheels/tires is Mark running? Those wheels are sweet.

Wheel fitment is:

Front 10.0X18

Rear 12.0X19

FORMULA 43 RADS6

Black Anodized centers, polished outer rims and black anodized inner rims.

Tires: Goodyear Eagle Super Car G2

Front 275/35ZR-18

Rear 325/30ZR-19

Run Flats

:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

Killer, love everything except no rear spoiler. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

The car is absolutely beautiful, Mark. :thumbsup: Way to nice, but beautiful. :D

[skatinjay27]

yup... 69s are much sexier.:P

[dolf]

In the pics I see red calipers, did you not use the nickel plated GT-R brakes?

[mexMan]

I'm guessing Stielow has a LS9 fetish.

[STAR]

Wheel fitment is:

Front 10.0X18

Rear 12.0X19

FORMULA 43 RADS6

Black Anodized centers, polished outer rims and black anodized inner rims.

Tires: Goodyear Eagle Super Car G2

Front 275/35ZR-18

Rear 325/30ZR-19

Run Flats

:thumbsup:

Love the wheels...but why runflats?

[preston]

It might have been mentioned before but making something look full on bitchin' OEM like that is way more difficult than making something trick and custom looking IMO. What is fascinating about Mark's cars to me, in some way, is that they are not that "trick" compared to some efforts, but just so flawlessly executed.

[Efi69Cam]

WOW :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Attention to detail is over the top, nice job Mark.
Does anyone recognize those headlights?

The headlights are probably these:

http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=92025&langId=-1

Truck-lite makes the DSE "bright-driver" headlights.

[clill]

think oem on the headlights

[Formula43 Wheel]

Love the wheels...but why runflats?

These are the OE tire for the Z06 and I know Mark really likes these tires and the grip they provided on Red Devil. Or as Mark has stated many times "it's all about tires".

The wheel fitment is the same as Red Devil, except for the front wheel configuration is different as Brembo changed to a flat rotor hat style which creates more caliper overhang into the center, so we used a very deep pad on the center and a narrow outer rim and wider inner rim for the 10.0X18 front wheel.

The wheel and tire set-up is a great fit for Pro-Touring applications. Providing the latest in tire technology, American made, run flat for touring security and a great look with the 18" front and 19" rear. If you not a Goodyear fan then Bridgestone and Michelin make the same sizes (in a non run flat as well) along with Hoosier for you hard core track guys!

Warning: Michelin tires run much wider than others, check the tread width in the manufacturer tire charts (available at Tire Rack) before ordering and having wheels built. Typically we like to match the tread width to the wheel width.

Cons on the Goodyears: They are not friendly when used below 50 degrees F.

Hope this helps! :lateral:

[waynieZ]

Awesome work Mark and crew. Amazing job.

[Stielow]

A quick update for today. We put the first 100 miles on the car today. We have a couple small issues but the car is running great. I'll put another 100 miles on it tomorrow to break in the diff and trans. Then we can start leaning on it.

Mark

[Sieg]

Looking forward to video footage of this car! :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

A quick update for today. We put the first 100 miles on the car today. We have a couple small issues but the car is running great. I'll put another 100 miles on it tomorrow to break in the diff and trans. Then we can start leaning on it.

Mark

Time for a new Avatar? :D

[Sieg]

Time for a new Avatar? :D

It's not broken in yet. :rolleyes:

[FETorino]

It's not broken in yet. :rolleyes:

And it has an invite to OUSCI :rolleyes:

[monza]

Damn thats a stunning looking car! I love everything about it, well done.
Keeping people on their toes to be top of the game for OUSCI thats for sure.

Do you have much of a specific break in routine you try and adhere to?

[JMitch19]

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr65/jrmitch19/1968%20Camaro/F43mayhem.jpg

[camcojb]

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr65/jrmitch19/1968%20Camaro/F43mayhem.jpg

that's funny, I was thinking the same thing. :D

[89 RS]

Wheel fitment is:

Front 10.0X18

Rear 12.0X19

FORMULA 43 RADS6

Black Anodized centers, polished outer rims and black anodized inner rims.

Tires: Goodyear Eagle Super Car G2

Front 275/35ZR-18

Rear 325/30ZR-19

Run Flats

:thumbsup:

Thanks!

[NovaBlue71]

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr65/jrmitch19/1968%20Camaro/F43mayhem.jpg

Thanks buddy,you know what I was looking at. See if you get your camaro painted anytime soon.:lol: Joe

[Stielow]

Do you have much of a specific break in routine you try and adhere to?

I try to put 200 easy break in miles on the diff and trans. I've done that on the last couple cars and it helps keep the diffs quieter. You should vary speed and load and if you have coolers cycle them also to keep them cool. It is time well spent to check for leaks and loose parts also.

On a side note if you purchase a new car you should do the same. But you don't need to look for loose parts. :thumbsup:

Mark

[eric1967]

We need some pics from the side. This thing is unreal. Thanks for posting.

[radrambler]

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr65/jrmitch19/1968%20Camaro/F43mayhem.jpg


:rofl:
:hail: Joe and Paul

Tom

[fleetus macmullitz]

What's it weigh?

Any dashboard pics?

Thanks. :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

We had a chance to drive the car today. After 200 break in miles it does 65 MPH 3rd gear roll on burn outs.... Classic. ABS works great, no leaks, it's ready to go.

So far all things are good to go to go for Gingerman. Time to see what this thing will do! :lateral:

Mark

[camcojb]

We had a chance to drive the car today. After 200 break in miles it does 65 MPH 3rd gear roll on burn outs.... Classic. ABS works great, no leaks, it's ready to go.

So far all things are good to go to go for Gingerman. Time to see what this thing will do! :lateral:

Mark

Awesome! Planning on any video or keeping it under wraps for OUSCI?

[GregWeld]

Now we're talking!!



Go get 'em Mark!



:thumbsup:

[formula88]

Awesome! Planning on any video or keeping it under wraps for OUSCI?

I'll bring my GoPro!

[WSSix]

I'd love to see a video of the 65 mph burnouts! Pleeeeeeeeeeeease?:D

[JMitch19]

Thanks buddy,you know what I was looking at. See if you get your camaro painted anytime soon.:lol: Joe


Ask Paul to show you the captions I put on my buddies picture with Travis Pastrana. It could have been much worse. I was trying to keep it forum appropriate.


Anyways the car looked great. I look forward to seeing it at the track. SEMA should be Finn this year.

[Sieg]

Good Stuff!

Have fun trying to keep it underneath you at Gingerman. :unibrow: :thumbsup:

[awr68]

What an increadable car! Hit it out of the park again, Mark!! :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Guys

Still hammer away on this deal.

We were set to test the car Oct 13 and 14 and Gingerman. The weather forcast looks very bad so we are going tomorrow now.

We got a great rate on the track so I have it to myself. If you need to shake down a car come out. I hope to be there by 9:00 Am and run until 5:00 PM.

Thanks

Mark

[fleetus macmullitz]

Guys

Still hammer away on this deal.

We were set to test the car Oct 13 and 14 and Gingerman. The weather forcast looks very bad so we are going tomorrow now.

We got a great rate on the track so I have it to myself. If you need to shake down a car come out. I hope to be there by 9:00 Am and run until 5:00 PM.

Thanks

Mark

I will donate my one owner, 0 miles lat-g decal to the first member who posts a vid of Mark rippin it up tomorrow. :D

[Sieg]

Guys

Still hammer away on this deal.

We were set to test the car Oct 13 and 14 and Gingerman. The weather forcast looks very bad so we are going tomorrow now.

We got a great rate on the track so I have it to myself. If you need to shake down a car come out. I hope to be there by 9:00 Am and run until 5:00 PM.

Thanks

Mark
Very generous offer Mark :thumbsup:

Being trackside tomorrow would be a real treat. Best of luck in the shake n' bake. :cheers:

[dunnjun]

Very nice of you Mark! I wish my car was on the Right coast. Good luck with your testing. I can't wait to see your car in person!:thumbsup:

[Ns RS]

arrrrgh, must not call in sick tomorrow and drive down.....

[Smittys67]

The truck is loaded. Im looking foward to a whole day on the track. I have the go-pro ready so I should get some good video of the back of the car.

[Sieg]

The truck is loaded. Im looking foward to a whole day on the track. I have the go-pro ready so I should get some good video of the back of the car.
Good deal! Have a great time. :thumbsup:

[tmadden]

GURU you may have outdone yourself! outstanding work!!!!

[cashed]

Amazing car! Hope to see it out running the circuit soon.

[Skip Kag]

Mark,

I bet you get asked this a lot, but do you do builds for hire? My employer is looking to get his 70s era Camaro done up, and he can't find any shops around here that really know what they're doing. Most seem all about getting work done on the cheap, and he's interested only in quality of the finished product (cost isn't really a factor for him).

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this; I tried sending a PM, but your inbox was full. Let me know if this is something you would be interested in.

Good luck on the track, tomorrow!

-Skip Kag

[formula88]

Beautiful day for a shakedown test....

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5720.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5750.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5752.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5776.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5809.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5811.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5839.jpg

[camcojb]

thanks for the pics Gordon!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

nice, looks like the brakes a working just fin. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

looks great on the track :thumbsup:

[dunnjun]

Whooooo! That thing looks bad A** Mark. Hope you get everything ready for Optima. It's awesome seeing your cars in action! I know the driver is dialed in.:thumbsup:

[CRCRFT78]

The car looks damn sexy without a front bumper and rear spoiler on the track. Great job Mark.

[Rick D]

Sweet now let's hear how it did?? :unibrow: Is it ready to compete??
:woot:

[Stielow]

Sweet now let's hear how it did?? :unibrow: Is it ready to compete??
:woot:

It's almost ready to go

Things that are done

-Stupid tire smoking power :thumbsup:
-Hang you in your belt brakes :thumbsup:
-Tuned JRI shocks to optimize grip :thumbsup:
-Spring bar balance :thumbsup:
-No leaks :thumbsup:

Thing that need work

-Bleed brakes again. All new systems are hard to bleed
-I over acheived on oil cooling need to rework to get temp in the oil
-Nut and bolt the car and look for broken stuff
-Get the rubber and brake dust out of the wheel wells

We ran about 25 laps very hard. We had a few issues due to a brand new car

-One loose accy bolt on the engine
-Some loose wires that coused a ABS falt and 4 flat spotted tires

On a simular test day with Red Devil we are 2 seconds a lap faster. Mayhem has so much power you can hear the tires spinning in 4th gear going down the back straigh due to track being rough. I think we have hit my power limit for 200 treadwear tires on a 40 degree day...:cheers:

Also a bunch of great guys came out to the track to play. So it was a great day to test car and hang out with some othe Lat-G member. They also kicked in to help me pay for the track. Thanks Guys.

Well back to the shop. The car ships in a week and a half.

Mark

[68firebird]

This is a gorgeous car!! one of the sexiest 67's I've seen in a while. And to have that motor......Oh man I can't imagine what thats like to have that motor in a 1st gen. The track pics are awesome. Good Luck!

[formula88]

More track photos.....

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5853.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5854.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5874.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5897.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5905.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5926.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Gingerman/DSC_5941.jpg

[JohnC]

Looks amazing, Mark. Thank for all the pics, Gordon... :lateral:

John

[mild2wild]

Awesome track shots!

[DOOM]

Mark the car looks awesome!!!! The color combo worked out great ! Glad to have a tinnie tiny part in it!!!

[ScotI]

I know I asked earlier in the build but it was undecided @ that point.... What wheel/tire sizes did you wind up with when tested?

[Ron in SoCal]

Just :wow: Love the car Mark! Congrats on a smooth shake down...

[Jr]

I searched 60 pages and could not find what radiator/oil cooler mark is running. Anyone know...?

[coolwelder62]

Mark the camaro look's Awesome.Do You mind if I go ahead and finish my chevelle since it is silver also.:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

SWEET! Glad you've got most of it figured out. now for the little stuff.
Very Nice Mark.

[Flash68]

Nothing to say what has not been said. Outstanding, Soldier. :thumbsup:

Interested to see how you address the oil over cooling issue.

[camcojb]

Interested to see how you address the oil over cooling issue.

Maybe block off part of the cooler? :question:

[Stielow]

Maybe block off part of the cooler? :question:

Adding a ZO6 line set that has a thermostate
in it.

[camcojb]

Adding a ZO6 line set that has a thermostate
in it.

that's why you're an engineer and I'm just a hacker. :lol:

[Stielow]

I searched 60 pages and could not find what radiator/oil cooler mark is running. Anyone know...?

Griffin rad with oil cooler built it. Works very well.

[Stielow]

that's why you're an engineer and I'm just a hacker. :lol:

But my favorite hacker!

Mark

[camcojb]

But my favorite hacker!

Mark

thanks! :lol:

[formula88]

thanks for the pics Gordon!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Looks amazing, Mark. Thank for all the pics, Gordon... :lateral:

John

Awesome track shots!

Thanks guys! :)

The video is a little shaky. Mark said the tires were shaped like stop signs and made his vision a little blurry.:lol:

Although you can't hear it well in the video due to wind noise, the exhaust note at WOT is awesome!!

eTxzLugHwO8&feature=plcp

[FETorino]

Thanks guys! :)

The video is a little shaky. Mark said the tires were shaped like stop signs and made his vision a little blurry.:lol:

Although you can't hear it well in the video due to wind noise, the exhaust note at WOT is awesome!!

eTxzLugHwO8&feature=plcp

What are you running for mufflers?

Adding a ZO6 line set that has a thermostate
in it.

As usual your solution is more high tech and elegant than mine. :unibrow:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/filter.jpg

[analyte]

Gordon,
Thanks for the pics and video!!!

Extremely nice ride with great execution!!


Kerry

[OVRKILL]

Loved this car in person....one of my favs out of the Stielow collection :hail:

[scottysimp7]

I dying here at work. Want to watch the vid, but no audio at work. I need to here WOT!!!!!! Looks stellar as always.:lateral:

[makoshark]

This car is amazing. While watching the video, it appears you can see the front of the hood lift up. Makes me want to add hood pins on my car.

[73CPCAMARO]

Looks great! Can't wait to see it in a few weeks. :thumbsup:

Brian

[David Pozzi]

Amazing job Mark. The stripe isn't my cup of tea, but everything else is. Can't wait to see it!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Amazing job Mark. The stripe isn't my cup of tea, but everything else is. Can't wait to see it!

Great vid, thank you for posting....stripe will grow on you, but that cowl induction hood going into to the sun like that must be blinding.

Another awesome car.

[Gandalf]

On a similar test day with Red Devil we are 2 seconds a lap faster. Mayhem has so much power you can hear the tires spinning in 4th gear going down the back straight due to track being rough. I think we have hit my power limit for 200 treadwear tires on a 40 degree day...:cheers:


Awesome Mark! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Cannot wait to see you run OUSCI - it's going to be a blast!!

G.

[CarlC]

The CA black plate is a great touch Mark.:yes:

Good luck at SEMA/OUSCI. I wish I could be there.

[IMPALA MAN]

Just got the latest edition of Hot Rod. Great write up on the competition between the Red Devil and a new ZL1. To top it off, it's on the cover.

[71RS/SS396]

Adding a ZO6 line set that has a thermostate
in it.

I was going to suggest this but you're already on it. I've had the same problem with the in rad cooler and Kurt Urban hooked me up with the same set up.

[Stielow]

Thanks guys! :)

The video is a little shaky. Mark said the tires were shaped like stop signs and made his vision a little blurry.:lol:

Although you can't hear it well in the video due to wind noise, the exhaust note at WOT is awesome!!
eTxzLugHwO8&feature=plcp

Gordon great photos and video. Thanks for the help at the track.

If you watch the video look at the braking zone going into turn three. (The second turn out of the pits) You can see what happens during a ABS fault. So if you are going test ABS leave yourself some room for trouble, or you could have a big off..... This is why I don't want to share my ABS system yet. I'm still working the bugs out of it.

If I'm still having issues it is not ready for other people to use. We found the problem and was a small wiring issue. But it is still startling.

That is what made the tires into stop signs. So my lap times were not great due to flat spotted tires. Down to the cords.

I ruined a set of tires in one day and burned 24 gallons of gas..... Priceless...

Mayhem is a bit of a handful to drive on a 40 degree day. You can hear the tires spinning a bit in 4th gear on the long straight due to the waves in the track.

Mark

[clill]

Those are your skidmarks ?

[Stielow]

Those are your skidmarks ?

Yep. I kept it on the track:thumbsup:

It was a loose power wire so it was a random fault about halfway through the day. So that is why is startled me. I thought the ABS was sorted so the fault was very unexpected. Yes it was a wire I did not Ryan.

This is why we test these things. :woot:

By the end of the day we sorted a bunch of little things out.

Mark

[clill]

Too bad it is such a ugly car.:D

[clill]

.....

[GregWeld]

Too bad it is such a ugly car.:D



OUCH.....




FIGHT!





:lol:

[Roberts68]

The video camera should have been rolling for this one!!


Agreed... cutting edge Supercar disguised as a Musclecar or not... Raw burnouts are still the $hit!:D

Thanks for sharing all the pictures and tech, Good Luck at OUSCI!:thumbsup:

And Clill, at least it ain't Yeller...:lol:
:cheers:

[Sieg]

The video camera should have been rolling for this one!!

The way it's headed GoPro and Red Bull sponsorships are probably on the horizon for Mark.........:unibrow:

[Ketzer]

Who else thinks Mark needs to come out with his own hooning/Gymkhana video? :unibrow: :unibrow:


Jeff-

[Smittys67]

Big Thank You to Mark for inviting us to run with him. I put 64 miles on the truck making laps. His car is absolutly impressive!!!

[Sonar Chief]

Great track pixs and video, awesome car Mark - Congrats :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That hood latch must be one of the best to hold that CF hood on at .... say 140's or 150's down that straight away, I thought I'd see hood pins fer sure!

The reliefs you designed in the top seem to be working well :hail: :hail: :hail:

Thanks for sharing!:cheers:

[89 RS]

Great pics from the track, thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:

[Frankenstine]

Congrats Mark:thumbsup: so I gotta ask witch one is/will be the better car Red Devil or Mayhem?????? the one that will do everything better, They both are outstanding builds, but witch one will have the edge over the other?? if there is an edge or are both equal??? if there is such a thing as equal?? in anything you build.
Thanks for the vidieo and pics:cheers: Good luck at OUSCI

[MattA]

I know I asked earlier in the build but it was undecided @ that point.... What wheel/tire sizes did you wind up with when tested?

See here

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=439794&postcount=541

[SS 454]

Congrats Stielow for winning the 2012 OUSCI :hail: , Mayhem looks just plain awesome:thumbsup: . Find this video by V8TV from SEMA. Looks like you need to start a new thread here on :lateral: ???!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pk6AZpAIAF4

Pk6AZpAIAF4

[Rick D]

Um already building another 69 Camaro :hail:

So now that Mayhem has won Optima will stay out west at Charlie's house??? :unibrow: Or does this one maybe go northwest Greg :_paranoid .??


:rofl:

[fleetus macmullitz]

So now that Mayhem has won Optima will stay out west at Charlie's house??? :unibrow:

Or does this one maybe go northwest Greg :_paranoid .??


:rofl:

1st gens bore Greg...Racer Weld was used to seeing 'em in his rear view mirror all the time! :wow:





...when he'd pull out of his driveway, before he got his brother-in-laws '69 back to him. :P

[coolwelder62]

Mark,I spent about 3 hour's yesterday looking over the camaro.Wow!!!.Very nice.I love the OEM look build style. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Congrat's on OUSCI.

[96z28ss]

I say the way Charlie was glued to the car and wouldn't leave it's side at the show, he'll own it eventually. LOL

[Spiffav8]

Another home run for Mark.

Like everyone I enjoyed watching the build and looked forward to seeing the car. Seeing the pictures online is one thing, but seeing this one in person was so much better. The paint colors & combo are very impressive. It breaks the mold in a way and opens the door to new possibilities. (IMHO) Mark loves to drive and it shows on the track. The car is impressive, but so are Marks skills behind the wheel. Mark was great about showing the car, talking to people and answering questions. For a guy as busy as he is, I was impressed that he made himself available to everyone all week during SEMA.

Mark....thanks for taking the time to answer all my silly questions. I learned a lot and I enjoyed watching your runs at OPTIMA. I look forward to seeing a few more and soon.

[Gandalf]

The only car & driver able to shake the ZR1 chase car at OUSCI lol! :unibrow:

Totally bad-ass Mark - congrats! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
(thanks also for spending time answering my questions at SEMA too)

G

[camcojb]

The only car & driver able to shake the ZR1 chase car at OUSCI lol! :unibrow:

Totally bad-ass Mark - congrats! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
(thanks also for spending time answering my questions at SEMA too)

G
yeah, they drove right off turn one into the dirt and rocks trying to stay with Mark.......... :rofl: and that was with race tires on their car. Waiting for the video. :lol:

[Bryce]

Mark,

Congrats and good meeting you at SEMA.

[murrayrx7]

Congrats on winning in 2012. I watched a interview with you and know you like to use the 1st gen camaro cause you have alot of spare parts and know everything about them but if you ever did a wildcard type of car I think it would be cool to see a 67 or 68 Firebird.

[nicks67ca]

Nice job Mark, The car was amazing to look at and watch run. I have a video of the car running in the straight away under the bridge. I'll try to download at work and post later....I missed one run where you had flames shooting out of the back of the passenger side exhaust. That has to make the highlight reels...

Thanks for the entertainment best $30 I spent all week.....

Nick

[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks for the entertainment best $30 I spent all week.....

Nick

Great line. :thumbsup:

Pro sports team owners should feel threatened. :D

[nicks67ca]

Lets try this.

Mayhem drive by.

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/6s97wp/6)

[Roberts68]

Sounds like Mayhem has an angry exhaust note... seems appropriate. I like it!:thumbsup:

:hail:

[geberhard]

Mark congrats and again the pics do not do justice to how well tailored this car really is. It was great and refreshing to see a 67-68 body build to break the 69 ice, and the subtle and not so subtle details on the car really made the ride pop!

Gui

[Rybar]

Congrats Mark on the OUSCI win, and to all the other runners that posted impressive times. :thumbsup:

[formula88]

This was Mark's quickest lap on the autocross.

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[formula88]

And here is the last lap on the roadcourse.

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[Spiffav8]

That was awesome! Great videos...thanks for sharing. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[GrabberGT]

Ha! I want to see the driver cam footage. Surely its not as easy going as those vids make it appear to be.

[Roberts68]

Ha! I want to see the driver cam footage. Surely its not as easy going as those vids make it appear to be.

I'll second that and add that it would be awesome to see the footwork taking place, especially when Mark spoke of his attention to detail (SEMA V8TV interview) in pedal setup pertaining to heel/toe shifting comfort etc...

You are right, it looks so smooth and graceful looking out over the hood but as they say with sportbikes.... smooth IS fast.

[Sonar Chief]

Congrats on the win ... you worked hard for that and it shows, just watched the V8TV interview and finally got to see the 69 dash in the 67 Camaro - looks pretty cool! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Mark you just raised the bar again ... keep it up :hail: :hail:

[coolwelder62]

Congrat's on winning OUSCI.And building an Outstanding Car.http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122075.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122037.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122036.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122035.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122034.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122033.jpghttp://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h324/bmock5/122032.jpg:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[GRob]

Amazing job!

Looks like you are running 69 dash? More real estate for gauges?

[Jr]

Mark,
How hot did the IAT get on the road course? Is there a special part number for the radiator? Also, did you have to roll the rear quarter lip to get the tires to fit?

Thank you.

[bonecrrusher]

Congrats - the engine bay looks awesome, like always!

[Formula43 Wheel]

Mark,
How hot did the IAT get on the road course? Is there a special part number for the radiator? Also, did you have to roll the rear quarter lip to get the tires to fit?

Thank you.

The fenders were pushed pulled or flared outboard 3/4" front/rear and the inside lip is also rolled from the 10 - 2 O'clock position. The rear tires are very close the inside outer fender edge probably not more than a 1/2" sidewall to metal, but thankfully they don't rub! :thumbsup:

[blazer1970]

Subscribed.....

[bulldog19]

Mark now that the dust has settled and you have had time to catch a breathe I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on this car vs Red Devil? It obviously gave you the result you were looking for winning OUSCI!:thumbsup:
Did everything you try work as planned? What would you do different? And if you care to divulge what were you not able to get done as you ran out of time that you still want to do?

[Cole]

Mark now that the dust has settled and you have had time to catch a breathe I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on this car vs Red Devil? It obviously gave you the result you were looking for winning OUSCI!:thumbsup:
Did everything you try work as planned? What would you do different? And if you care to divulge what were you not able to get done as you ran out of time that you still want to do?


Great Post. Subscribing...

[jimbo]

Mark now that the dust has settled and you have had time to catch a breathe I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on this car vs Red Devil? It obviously gave you the result you were looking for winning OUSCI!:thumbsup:
Did everything you try work as planned? What would you do different? And if you care to divulge what were you not able to get done as you ran out of time that you still want to do?

That is what is next build is for:D

[214Chevy]

From what I've heard, Mayhem is already gone to Charlie and Stielow has already bought another 1st gen. If that's true, fess up Mark. :lol: What's next on the menu?:question: You know we are "Stielow build" fanatics and love to see you at your craft. :yes:

[dontlifttoshift]

I heard the next car is so awesome that if you whisper "Mark Stielow" in Chuck Norris' ear, he starts to cry.

I heard the Mayan calender was actually talking about the start of the Stielow Calender and not the end of the world.

I'm not sure if this one is true or not, but someone told me, that when there are no passengers or video cameras in the car that Mark doesn't even drive. He just wills the car to go, stop, or turn and sits back and eats tacos. I find it hard to believe he would eat in the car though........




:lol:

[coolwelder62]

I heard the next car is so awesome that if you whisper "Mark Stielow" in Chuck Norris' ear, he starts to cry.

I heard the Mayan calender was actually talking about the start of the Stielow Calender and not the end of the world.

I'm not sure if this one is true or not, but someone told me, that when there are no passengers or video cameras in the car that Mark doesn't even drive. He just wills the car to go, stop, or turn and sits back and eats tacos. I find it hard to believe he would eat in the car though........




:lol:Donny,That's funny.:rofl: :rofl:

[kwhizz]

Yep!!!.........Time to start the "New" build thread..........Mr. Stig-A-low

[clill]

I heard the next car is so awesome that if you whisper "Mark Stielow" in Chuck Norris' ear, he starts to cry.

I heard the Mayan calender was actually talking about the start of the Stielow Calender and not the end of the world.

I'm not sure if this one is true or not, but someone told me, that when there are no passengers or video cameras in the car that Mark doesn't even drive. He just wills the car to go, stop, or turn and sits back and eats tacos. I find it hard to believe he would eat in the car though........




:lol:
That is funny stuff.

[Sieg]

That is funny stuff.
........have you driven it yet? :unibrow:

[Rick D]

I heard the next car is so awesome that if you whisper "Mark Stielow" in Chuck Norris' ear, he starts to cry.

I heard the Mayan calender was actually talking about the start of the Stielow Calender and not the end of the world.

I'm not sure if this one is true or not, but someone told me, that when there are no passengers or video cameras in the car that Mark doesn't even drive. He just wills the car to go, stop, or turn and sits back and eats tacos. I find it hard to believe he would eat in the car though........




:lol:

:rofl: :rofl: Funny Donny very Funny!!!!!!!

[Rick D]

That is funny stuff.

So how's the new car??? :lol:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

So how's the new car??? :lol:

lol I can tell you that Mayhem currently resides in Kalamazoo, MI. I wish it was warmer out so Mark could take me for a spin in that bad boy! We are Just finishing up its post OUSCI beating....Mark drives these cars like a damn rental!:willy:
But that's all the fun right!

[clill]

I don't know why you guys didn't put track proof paint on it.

[Rick D]

I don't know why you guys didn't put track proof paint on it.

Hey we make that :yes: Stuff is really tough!!! And looks outstanding!!

[JMitch19]

I don't know why you guys didn't put track proof paint on it.


Rumor has it the car was painted with that new BASF track proof paint. It is guaranteed to with stands 240mph winds and even the occasional off track excursion. I'm not sure run ins jacks/jack stands? were one the things they covered.:_paranoid

I'm sure Mayhem will look killer at Autorama. Looking forward to seeing it again.

[Jr]

Update

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4431.jpg



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What is the second tank ( black tank located closer to the engine) used for?

[frojoe]

What is the second tank ( black tank located closer to the engine) used for?

It is an air-oil separator I believe.

[fleetus macmullitz]

How many hours did it take to convert it to a '69 dash?

Thanks.

[notchbackgta]

What is the second tank ( black tank located closer to the engine) used for?

If you're asking about the tank next to the dry sump, I think it is for the coolant for the heat exchanger in the supercharger

[Cole]

I'm not sure run ins jacks/jack stands? were one the things they covered.:_paranoid

I'm sure Mayhem will look killer at Autorama. Looking forward to seeing it again.

I saw that in person.... And it wasnt pretty.

[geberhard]

pretty is on the eye of the beer-holder....or so they say.

really clean ride at SEMA, and GLAD that it got flogged as it was meant to be :D

Now we just need to lock Stielow on a basement and get the secrets out for the top secret edge brake system :D JK, Mark, you have some mad driving skills!!!

Gui

[clill]

sweet.....

[cmraman]

sweet.....

Turned out pretty alright.

[clill]

Crappy pics though....:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Crappy pics though....:D


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:D

[Sparks67]

Crappy pics though....:D

Actually, Mayhem looks and sounds better in person. I got to see it today. Maybe I post some photos of it later.

Jeff

[cmraman]

Crappy pics though....:D

Let me know if the shards of metal hitting the car buffed out..

[clill]

Payback is a bitch.

[Rybar]

Congrats Charley. You got yourself an amazing car

[Roberts68]

Congrats Charley. You got yourself anOTHER amazing car

Fixed it up for you a little Ry'... :idea: and I guess that would be a DITTO from MN.:clap:

[clill]

The POS finally arrived.:headspin:

[Tom.A]

Very cool:thumbsup: silver super cars

[jeff71]

Imagine that Charlie bought one of Stielow's old pos Camaros.......go figure.

Love that car, plan to hit any of our local track days?

[GregWeld]

You'd think a guy with that f'n many cars could figure out how to post up a GD photo.....



Even Jack can do it.




:catfight:




Oh --- about the cars......



They're okay if that's what you're in to. :lol:

[Jr]

Charlie,
Is the car yours or is it just temporarily visiting?

How is the power compared to jackass?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Since this appears to be one of them collector cars, I hope you were able to get the famous former owner to sign the dashboard for you. :unibrow:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

The POS finally arrived.:headspin:

should have hosed the driveway down....oh and charley, your a punk! LOL

[Rick D]

Hey Charlie maybe next year at MCACN you could have a reunion of Stelow's cars?? Now that would be cool!! Do you know or does Mark know where they all are? Other then the ones that you own of coarse!

[Rick D]

You'd think a guy with that f'n many cars could figure out how to post up a GD photo.....

Come on Greg what you think because he owns his own CAR web site he know how to insert nice pictures? :hello:

[clill]

On my crappy website there is a box to click to add full size pics. I have no idea on this crappy website.

[GregWeld]

On my crappy website there is a box to click to add full size pics. I have no idea on this crappy website.





OUCH!!!!






Hey Jody..........:action-smiley-027:

[camcojb]

On my crappy website there is a box to click to add full size pics. I have no idea on this crappy website.
Do you want a website built?

[GregWeld]

Do you want a website built?




Ever seen him use "multi quote" function??




Even I can do that.....




EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA

[camcojb]

Ever seen him use "multi quote" function??




Even I can do that.....




EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA
:lol:

[formula88]

The POS finally arrived.:headspin:

Glad it arrived safely. Where is the other silver beast (El Mule)?

[fleetus macmullitz]

The POS finally arrived.:headspin:

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LOL

[Sieg]

Congratulations Charlie. :thumbsup:

If you have a web image hosting site such as PhotoBucket or SmugMug (my fav)
Upload your images to the host site, pick the image size you want and right click and copy the image URL then click on the picture icon and paste it into the field. Or in your post past the URL and bracket the URL with .

[chr2002ca]

Great collection of silver bullets there. Cool shot of all 3 together. I need to create a photo like that. I have a blue 69 Camaro, a blue mountain bike, and a blue skateboard. Sitting in the short driveway of my townhouse, it would be an epic photo, but I don't want to show anybody up so maybe I'd better not post anything like that.

No, I'm not jealous.

:cheers:

[Al Moreno]

Great collection of silver bullets there. Cool shot of all 3 together. I need to create a photo like that. I have a blue 69 Camaro, a blue mountain bike, and a blue skateboard. Sitting in the short driveway of my townhouse, it would be an epic photo, but I don't want to show anybody up so maybe I'd better not post anything like that.

No, I'm not jealous.

:cheers:


That some funny $h1t! right there:cheers:

[Flash68]

So Charley, how does the 67 "feel" (other than the power difference) compared to the 69?


Great collection of silver bullets there. Cool shot of all 3 together. I need to create a photo like that. I have a blue 69 Camaro, a blue mountain bike, and a blue skateboard. Sitting in the short driveway of my townhouse, it would be an epic photo, but I don't want to show anybody up so maybe I'd better not post anything like that.



:lol: :lol: :bitchslap:

[Rybar]

The POS finally arrived.:headspin:

That's a nice looking POS :lol:

[waynieZ]

Awesome addition to the stable. :thumbsup: When are you getting your stacker trailer??

[Vegas69]

I'd still take the Mule for looks but I'd want to drive this one. :)

[GregWeld]

Hey Charley....



Next track day -- register the pile of nuts and bolts and I'll stop by and haul it to the track for you.... or I'll take the '66 and you drive/haul the pile... It would be fun to watch you mow down all those high zoot Mustangs with that old Camaro....


EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

[ArisESQ]

Did anyone post the wheel specs on this thing - width and offset/backspace?
(it's magnificent by the way)

Edit: Found it!
For those of you who are interested, its:
REAR - 19x12 w/ 6.75" Backspace
FRONT - 18x10 w/ 6.25" BS

[monstereddie]

I'm using a C-6 Corvette Z06 ABS module pre-2008. The trick is the factory ABS wheel speed sensors on all four corners and tricking the ABS module to think it is still in a 2007 Corvette and it still connected to all it correct sensors. If you don't get all the sensor correct it will still work but works in a default cal that has lower ABS efficiency. If you don't get the wheel speed sensors and wiring correct the ABS will fault out at very inopportune times. The wheel speed signal error is a hard fault - the system stops working. This is the problem I had 2 years ago. Not all ABS systems and control strategies are created equal. Like the old debate on EFI on if Speed Density, Alpha-N or MAF systems were better. There are different ABS control strategies. So with all that said I mean if you get a 2002 Camaro 3 channel ABS system to work it will not be as good as a C-6 Corvette system. If you just want to keep from locking a tire that is easy. If you want to optimize stopping distance on split Mu (Dry concrete and Ice) that is harder.


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_4298.jpg

Note the new gun drilled (weight savings) Strange axles, revised axle end and new spacers. The steel and aluminum spacers were machined by my buddy Ken Tibor.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_3463.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Red%20Devil/DSC_3877.jpg

Because the production ZR-1 SKF bearings are active wheel sensor I had SKF make me the SKF bearing with passive wheel speed sensors to work with the 2007 Delphi ABS module.

After a lot of debate with Brembo I chose to use the GTR Calipers over the GT Calipers. We had a lot of discussions like "How much HP? We’ll need to call back to Italy and get back to you" :D

So I went with Brembo's recommendation. Those brakes are not for the weak of heart or wallet. Due to my short development time line I don't have time to do a lot of experimentation with the brakes.

I have worked with the Brembo guys a bunch on other projects and I think this may be a bit over kill but they will work. I did size the system to work with the Delphi ABS system. The brakes on Red Devil worked very well and I just wanted to tweak the system a little to make it better.

With a lot of due care you can get ABS to work on an old hot rod. You just need to keep it happy with the correct sensors to make it work. I want to keep my ABS set up my competitive advantage for a while. Bosch does sell an aftermarket ABS system that is laptop programmable. So it is accessible technology to anyone with the budget or time to sort it out. I look at ABS, Stability Control and Performance Traction Management as the next thing for the aftermarket to crack into. Like EFI was 25 years ago only a few people could do it and few aftermarket company’s make systems and they were expensive. Now EFI is main stream and very easy to do. So I see chassis controls going that way in a few years.

Hey if it was easy everyone would be doing it....

If I can get the car out of paint jail I can start putting it together. (Paul and Joe are doing a great job) You can’t rush this quality of a paint job.

Mark


Hello Mark,

i really would want to chat with you about your ABS solution. We can not put the Restomods on legal road without the same system we use for the Engine here in Germany so i would really ask you for help on the ABS. We have Bosch M4 Systems, but they are NOT for legal street use. I would appreciate if you could give me a chance to talk to you!! THANK YOU!

[Beach Cruiser]

Hey Mark,
I'd like to talk to you about the same subject, I have C5 sensors already on my front hubs and C4 sensors on both back wheels, From that point what else do I need other than the C5 module? I'm having issues locking my front right in particular. Is the C4 stuff the same tooth count/signal as the C5? My brakes all the way around are C5 as well as my master cylinder.
Can you help me? We talked some at Optima in Ky, and a couple of years ago when you brought the Red Devil to VIR for UTCC, You need to bring one back for that, I've won it twice since then!
Mills

[monstereddie]

I am so incredibly impressed about the fact that there is a system from the 80s and no one could really offer or figure out a universal kit! I am also impressed by the fact that Mark is the only one known who did that in a series and we hope and pray that he will help us out!

PLEASE MARK! SAY SOMETHING!!! :G-Dub:

[GregWeld]

I am so incredibly impressed about the fact that there is a system from the 80s and no one could really offer or figure out a universal kit! I am also impressed by the fact that Mark is the only one known who did that in a series and we hope and pray that he will help us out!

PLEASE MARK! SAY SOMETHING!!! :G-Dub:




I'm going to go out over my skis here and attempt to cover for Mark.

What you're asking about -- is incredibly complicated. Even more complicated when you're putting a system like this on track. I've only ever been privy to listening to these discussions between engineers..... and there's nothing much the ordinary guy is going to understand or be able to modify etc.

If I were him - I would HAVE TO consider the legal liability of advising someone trying to build these systems. There is just so much engineering and testing involved.

[monstereddie]

I'm going to go out over my skis here and attempt to cover for Mark.

What you're asking about -- is incredibly complicated. Even more complicated when you're putting a system like this on track. I've only ever been privy to listening to these discussions between engineers..... and there's nothing much the ordinary guy is going to understand or be able to modify etc.

If I were him - I would HAVE TO consider the legal liability of advising someone trying to build these systems. There is just so much engineering and testing involved.


Thank you, Greg for this post. I am an Engineer with lots of Bosch backgrounds and abilities. We do software programming for the EURO 6 ECU, development, transmission development, manufacturing of reading and flashing hardware, checksum coding and programming of all CAN BUS controlled system. I could immediately use a M4 System that is great and works better than anything else in the world, problem is, that BOSCH sells it in Germany only for race track use, not for legal roads. I asked for Mark´s help because he integrated Delphi ABS into his cars and they work fine. Our government accepts only systems that were used in Legal Cars. With his help we could make this happen and probably help others that are in the need of the same system. I am not (at the moment) familiar with Delphi, but the codes are open source and it is a lot of information out there that can make this happen. We have own 4x4 dyno, brake system manager and testing areas, ...... all here - dont worry about the liability. Mark already told me that his system works amazing!

[GregWeld]

Thank you, Greg for this post. I am an Engineer with lots of Bosch backgrounds and abilities. We do software programming for the EURO 6 ECU, development, transmission development, manufacturing of reading and flashing hardware, checksum coding and programming of all CAN BUS controlled system. I could immediately use a M4 System that is great and works better than anything else in the world, problem is, that BOSCH sells it in Germany only for race track use, not for legal roads. I asked for Mark´s help because he integrated Delphi ABS into his cars and they work fine. Our government accepts only systems that were used in Legal Cars. With his help we could make this happen and probably help others that are in the need of the same system. I am not (at the moment) familiar with Delphi, but the codes are open source and it is a lot of information out there that can make this happen. We have own 4x4 dyno, brake system manager and testing areas, ...... all here - dont worry about the liability. Mark already told me that his system works amazing!



Well === I have no business speaking for Mark........ but it has to be said because it is complicated and can easily be made into a mess... These are public forums and we can only imagine the midnight engineering that could take place with barely enough info.

[Beach Cruiser]

Yeah, I'm an Engineer too and speak the language, I'm just trying not to reinvent the wheel. Maybe Mark is just holding a grudge because our FSAE car beat his FSAE car 27 years ago?

[monstereddie]

In Germany we have TÜV. It is all so strict and so buerocratic. They all suck. But we have no chance. Once this is installed they take it and test it. And when they stamp it and make it legal it is legal and the liability is off our shoulders. At the same time I need to follow rules, regulations and pass their tests. And even if there is a better system that works better and is more secure, as long Not approved for street use or has been installed and used in legal cars - no chance - especially on systems that have a huge red sign that warns any idiot from the authorities that it is for race use only. Mark has a system that works with the OEM stuff. All OEM. all like this been installed into a serial car. This to be installed in our project would be the BEST!!

@beach cruiser, so you have a finished and working ABS system in your ride, too? If yes pm me. We should not destroy this amazing post here!

[PTAddict]

Monstereddie,

See my new post in the Brakes section:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=653008&postcount=24

It may be just the right answer for you.

Scott

[Ns RS]

Well === I have no business speaking for Mark........ but it has to be said because it is complicated and can easily be made into a mess... These are public forums and we can only imagine the midnight engineering that could take place with barely enough info.


and as a result and i could be mistaken, but i think a Bosch system was incorporated into jackass 2.0?

[Stielow]

Yeah, I'm an Engineer too and speak the language, I'm just trying not to reinvent the wheel. Maybe Mark is just holding a grudge because our FSAE car beat his FSAE car 27 years ago?

Well I was going to help you but now that you said you beat me in FSAE...

The number one question I always get asked is how can I do ABS on my car?

Well the simple answer is once you have good wheel speed sensor buy the Bosch M4 system.

Or COMPLETELY copy the Corvette system.

Greg Weld made a very good point. I do not want to be liable for what someone does with their hot rod. I have seen some of the cars out there and the crappy wiring jobs. Some cars are well done but most are not.

Also, most time when I answer a question people come back with two more, then I answer those two guestions, then I get four. No good dead goes unpunished.

Yes, I sorted it out using a C6 Corvette system with out a lot of the sensors or a body control module. Do I want to let that calibration out. NO. It has no way to set a light if the system faults out. When I used it in 2010 my ABS faulted at OUSCI on the road course and I locked a front tire. I was ready for it and reverted back to a passive system. No issue. I used a Tech 2 reset the ECBM and went on my was to win the event... Unlike FSAE....

People on this form my think that is selfish. Well every car out there is a snowflake. I don't have the time or energy to answer all the off the wall questions. Also the system is one off, not validated and has no safety check function warning light. That message comes through the the BCM (Body Control Module).

I have a lot of experience driving GM cars at the race track to fine faults in ABS system. When the ABS faults out it can be very dangerous. Ask Randy Johnson about his crash when his faulted out. I have flat spotted tires and almost crashed a dozen cars looking for issues. Your average guy might not be as experienced as me. Heck Danny Popp went off track at this years OUSCI because his ABS faulted out due to low voltage and he had a warning light.

Most older OE ABS modules have a back up calibration that will work without all the sensors. It is chunky and will keep the car from locking up the brakes. The tires needs to be within 3% of the stock diameters. I do not recommend just trying it. Look at all the guys complaining about their C5 Corvette ABS systems not working well.

If you use the C5 guys as a test case. Guys change tires, wheels, brake rotors, brake calipers and pads and wonder why their ABS is not working. So let's use an engine anology.... I have a LS6 and change it to a 427 with big cam and heads and you want it to work with a stock engine cal. How do you think it will work?

Right now to the best of my knowledge the best system to use is the Bosch M4 system. GM, Ford, BMW, Porsche..... All the OE make millions of ABS systems every year. We make it work. Copy the complete ABS system and electrical architecture and it should work. This will not be easy, but shops like the Ring Brothers just did it on that Caddy.

Mark Stielow

[Stielow]

and as a result and i could be mistaken, but i think a Bosch system was incorporated into jackass 2.0?

Yes I added the Bosch M4 system on Jackass. Works great with the Carbon ceramic brakes. Zero issues!

Mark

[rustomatic]

That's great info! I hate ABS (happily cut it out of my Corvette's brake system), but I'm glad I read this. Thank you, sir!

[Beach Cruiser]

Thanks Mark, I'm just kidding about the FSAE thing we had a ringer on our team who is now the chief engineer for Roush Racing. I'll dig into the C5 system in more detail as 90% of my driveline mimics it. The only difference is the rear wheel speed sensor, I'll have to compare to see if they are the same as the C5 (Which I doubt) but you are right about changes to the calibrated system, I have that problem on my firebird with better brakes and Hoosiers, it's real easy to get into Ice Mode and there is no recovery after you've already cooked the braking zone standing as hard as you can on the pedal.

[GregWeld]

Thanks Mark, I'm just kidding about the FSAE thing we had a ringer on our team who is now the chief engineer for Roush Racing. I'll dig into the C5 system in more detail as 90% of my driveline mimics it. The only difference is the rear wheel speed sensor, I'll have to compare to see if they are the same as the C5 (Which I doubt) but you are right about changes to the calibrated system, I have that problem on my firebird with better brakes and Hoosiers, it's real easy to get into Ice Mode and there is no recovery after you've already cooked the braking zone standing as hard as you can on the pedal.



My Lotus 2 11 goes into Ice Mode in a spin...... and that's a factory system. Lotus - sadly - never worked that bug out of the system. So the key is -- don't spin. Simple.

[randy]

Mark do you ever run a catch can setup and if so what does your system look like? Trying to get more clarity of the proper way to route the pcv system.