1967 Camaro for OUSCI

[Sonar Chief]

:thumbsup: on the wiring - Attention to detail I like it.

Again ... that doesn't look like a 67 dash panel to me, did you swap out a 69?

Gonna be a great car :hail: :hail: :hail: who cares what color it is - leave it in sealer gray!

[coolwelder62]

That's a long drive for you, just for a peak. :DI Needed a candy bar and a Coke.:lol:

[carbuff]

I'm using this setup - Weldon pump drawing from the drain, returning through the fill, with a small FluidDyne cooler, on my D&D T56. No T-stat - just a switch. With the cooler on, temps typically stay below 200F. On a couple of occasions when I forgot to flip the switch, temps would climb into the high 200s by 10 minutes into a track session, and shifting would start to get sticky.

In "normal" driving, temps never exceed low 200s without the cooler on.


Thanx for the reply. One last question, if you don't mind. What size lines did you run to the cooler and back? I was concerned that such a heavy fluid might need more than -6AN lines...

[Stielow]

Paul VanNus hammer out the louvers on the Carbon Fiber hood.

Looking forward to seeing it in color. What color was that again?

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/IMG9548261.jpg

Back to working on the other parts. :lateral:

Mark

[fleetus macmullitz]

Looking forward to seeing it in color. What color was that again?

Mark

An unnamed source says this is not the color....sadly.


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/d1377973.jpg

:D

[coolwelder62]

Paul VanNus hammer out the louvers on the Carbon Fiber hood.

Looking forward to seeing it in color. What color was that again?



Mark As Ant Bee would say,Tic a Lock.:thumbsup:

[JMitch19]

An unnamed source says this is not the color....sadly.


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/d1377973.jpg

:D


Picture that color but different and you will be close.

I stopped by the shop today to give Paul a hand with his Nova and there may have been a door or two with paint that I didn't see:_paranoid . This car is going to be killer and seeing it without paint or interior really gives me some ideas for my next project.

[camcojb]

Looking forward to seeing it in color. What color was that again?





Mark

Has anyone told you that you were an a$$................... lately? :lol: :cheers:

[protour73]

Has anyone told you that you were an a$$................... lately? :lol: :cheers:

ummmmm Jody.......I think you just may have! LOL

I love all of the banter in the Stielow threads, very entertaining in addition to the car's actual build!! :unibrow:

[Bucketlist2012]

Just as I am halfway into a build, this thread makes me want to start over..

Very Nice Car and Workmanship:thumbsup:

[JohnC]

Wow – car looks great, Mark. Paul, your work looks top notch! :thumbsup:

Are they about the same size overall as the mules' louvers?

:bow: :cheers:

[Sieg]

Just as I am halfway into a build, this thread makes me want to start over..

Very Nice Car and Workmanship:thumbsup:
It's nothing $150K and a boat load of talent won't resolve. :D

[Rick D]

Paul VanNus hammer out the louvers on the Carbon Fiber hood.

Looking forward to seeing it in color. What color was that again?

Mark

hay funny guy :D So where's the painted pictures??? You know we wil ever take a shot of a door jam that was painted? :lol:

[GregWeld]

As long as it's not WHITE.... :wow: :unibrow:

[next69]

Mark, why do the front down bars land on the subframe so close to the firewall? Was this due to packaging? Just curious since they are generally further towards the front of the subframe on most builds. I love the detachable union you used, it looks very strong and nicely executed.

[TomT]

Mark, why do the front down bars land on the subframe so close to the firewall? Was this due to packaging? Just curious since they are generally further towards the front of the subframe on most builds. I love the detachable union you used, it looks very strong and nicely executed.

I'm going to guess it saves a little weight, makes overall packaging a little easier, and I think it would actually be a little safer because it would allow the subframe in front of the down bars to collapse in a collision and absorb energy that would otherwise be transmitted to the car's occupants.

[Sieg]

What color was that again?Mark

The color of the car is!

http://pursuitbikes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Liar-Liar-jim-carrey-1014545_576_384.bmp

[Z10ROD]

MUST BE PUTTIN ALL THE BODY PANELS BACK ON AFTER CUT IN THEN PAINT:thumbsup: :cheers: ???

[tango68ss]

Mark,
I just ran across this vid and it was AWESOME! I can't wait to see you visit this with your '67! Maybe you will go up against the 'vette after all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64-Y2Hvnfrg&feature=player_embedded

[camcojb]

Mark,
I just ran across this vid and it was AWESOME! I can't wait to see you visit this with your '67! Maybe you will go up against the 'vette after all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64-Y2Hvnfrg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=37752

[bulldog19]

Any color yet? Just thought I would ask:)

[NovaBlue71]

Any color yet? Just thought I would ask:)

Thanks for asking but not yet. We are getting close. We have had a few other projects that have sat idled for awhile we needed to make progress on too. But we did make good progress this week on getting car prepped for paint.I should have shell all final blocked today and need to do another block on hood. It's looking great. I'm excited to see paint on it too. We're getting there. Stay tuned.:thumbsup: Joe.

[bulldog19]

Thanks for the update Joe. From your comment sounds like u guys are busy! Good to hear, keep up he good work!:thumbsup:

[aany001]

Moving along quickly on the body, Everything is all painted except for the exterior. Should start seeing some body color next week!:thumbsup:

Few pictures from today.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0883.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0882.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0884.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0876.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0877.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0880.jpg

Paul what black is that on the inner fenders?
thanks
Steve

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Steve, We have a few different blacks that we use on projects around the shop. On the last two projects for Mark we played around with the Standox Rally Black. And bumped up the gloss a little bit. Not the cheapest paint. But looks awesome and is very durable. Let me know if you need anymore info on the paint and ill set you up! :thumbsup:

PS..The car is going to be painted this week!!:woot:

[Rick D]

Not to speak for Paul but it is either rally black or black base with Matt clear?? Rally black is a Matt finish single stage paint, most of the top paint company's have some kind of rally black. But I'm sure Paul will chime in at some point!

By the guy the car is looking great keep up the great work and all that comes with doing it the right way :cheers: :cheers: :thumbsup:

^^^^^well Paul beat me to it!!

[Roberts68]

PS..The car is going to be painted this week!!:woot:

:rolleyes: Does that mean we will see pictures of the painted car this week?!:D

Say :yes:

:cheers:

[aany001]

Paul Im having a terrible time with getting my underhood stuff painted with a decent product that wont break the bank! I used eastwoods extreme chassis black on my undercarraige and it came out blotchy!! as in dry spots and smooth spots:mad: Need something I can spray from my gun in my garage. Thanks for the info! Great work as usual and btw I missed u at Colombus good guys this year:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

I'm looking forward to seeing some color. You guys do awesome work.

[clill]

This is August 1 and SEMA-Optima is maybe 14 weeks away. And the car is apart and in primer.:willy:

[Ron in SoCal]

This is August 1 and SEMA-Optima is maybe 14 weeks away. And the car is apart and in primer.:willy:

Is it? :question: :D

[FETorino]

This is August 1 and SEMA-Optima is maybe 14 weeks away. And the car is apart and in primer.:willy:

Hey in Mark's book he says he sets everything aside and gets manic about his projects.

If they could pull off that wiring in the few days between posts 14 weeks seems like too much time.

[TomT]

This is August 1 and SEMA-Optima is maybe 14 weeks away. And the car is apart and in primer.:willy:

Or is it???
;)

[coolwelder62]

This is August 1 and SEMA-Optima is maybe 14 weeks away. And the car is apart and in primer.:willy:I did this same last year ( And made it).Mark is a genius.I am just a ??.So I am bettin he make's it.:thumbsup:

[Stielow]

This is August 1 and SEMA-Optima is maybe 14 weeks away. And the car is apart and in primer.:willy:

Thanks Charley...... Grab some tools and give me a hand.

Hurry up dam it.

Mark

[camcojb]

Thanks Charley...... Grab some tools and give me a hand.

Hurry up dam it.

Mark

you'd get more done if you'd get off the computer and quit growing your group of Facebook friends. :rofl:

[Rick D]

Thanks Charley...... Grab some tools and give me a hand.

Hurry up dam it.

Mark

Do I here an assembly party coming to Marks house :woot: I'll bring the pizza!!

[96z28ss]

It's 89 days till SEMA, minus travel time from Michigan to Vegas.
It's getting close.

[Z10ROD]

Does this car have a name besides 67 for OUSCI ?

[Vegas69]

Man, I'd be nervous about dialing it in perfect enough to win Optima with this short time frame.

[Flash68]

Yeah but the dude just jumped in a ZL1 and beat a PRO driver by 2 seconds without sweating... I think he can handle this. :thumbsup:

Please don't let a new Vette win again Mark. :unibrow: :lateral:

[Vegas69]

I'm rooting for him and I'm sure most of the notes transfer from Red Devil, but it's a different car.

[camcojb]

Man, I'd be nervous about dialing it in perfect enough to win Optima with this short time frame.

I'm rooting for him and I'm sure most of the notes transfer from Red Devil, but it's a different car.

He'll figure it out. :unibrow:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I would think this build is a cakewalk compared to testing brake systems out on a track that uh.. don't brake.

:lol:

[camcojb]

I would think this build is a cakewalk compared to testing brake systems out on a track that uh.. don't brake.

:lol:

Todd brings up a good point about track time and sorting. I spoke with Mark about this, and that's why he's using a combo that he's familiar with for this car. He can get the final dialing in done pretty fast, he's real good at that.

[camcojb]

I would think this build is a cakewalk compared to testing brake systems out on a track that uh.. don't brake.

:lol:

I saw him go into turn 1 on his first lap at Optima two years ago, and the ABS faulted.......... :omg: That would completely un-nerve most anybody.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I saw him go into turn 1 on his first lap at Optima two years ago, and the ABS faulted.......... :omg: That would completely un-nerve most anybody.

I wonder if it gets easier each time it happens?

:woot:

[camcojb]

I wonder if it gets easier each time it happens?

:woot:

Probably helps that he has so much track experience. But it also helps that he's smart enough to set the normal brake bias up correctly so if the ABS faults you have a chance to catch it. :wow:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Probably helps that he has so much track experience. But it also helps that he's smart enough to set the normal brake bias up correctly so if the ABS faults you have a chance to catch it. :wow:

Actually I was thinking more of the times he posted about in a prior build when it happened (IIRC) while driving GM test vehicles.

[camcojb]

Actually I was thinking more of the times he posted about in a prior build when it happened (IIRC) while driving GM test vehicles.

oh yeah, he has some GREAT work stories. :lol:

[Van B]

I bet he sandbagging on the updates and the car is painted and running right now.:lol:

[camcojb]

I bet he sandbagging on the updates and the car is painted and running right now.:lol:

I'll take that bet. :yes: :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'll take that bet. :yes: :lol:

There are unconfirmed reports that Mark has already won some races south of the border under the alias of 'Topo Gigio'.

[Stielow]

Does this car have a name besides 67 for OUSCI ?

Rendering by Murray Pfaff

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/camaro_silver_05.jpg

I saw this car two years ago and I chose the colors off this show car,

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Large20Image.jpg
It well be Porsche Silver with an orange strip soon

Stielow :unibrow:

[bdahlg68]

Sweet colors... I'm a ways from paint but was considering Porsche Peridot Metallic. Porsche Silver is a bit more subtle!

[Stielow]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/IMG9588571.jpg

It will be in color this weekend..... I'm not sand bagging Paul and Joe are holding me up. LOL

They are great guys and have to make it perfect... But I'm running out of time.

It will be the best paint job you have ever seen.

Stielow

[Rick D]

Sweet we have color!!! :thumbsup: or at least we know what color it will be :woot: Nice chose on the color combo Mark.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Rendering by Murray Pfaff

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/camaro_silver_05.jpg


Stielow :unibrow:

Mark,

Baddest

'67

ever! :cool:

Great color choices and functional styling touches, plus an outstanding rendering by Murray. :thumbsup:

I think I hear the prices of the '67's going up.

:lol:

[57hemicuda]

As usual, understated fury. Love watching the progress.

[Roberts68]

It's a great name and a great paint scheme Mark. The girl at my side who bought me your book says so... I agree. :yes:

Best of Luck, not that you need it from me... but like alot of other Camaro fans I wish you all the best. There is a moment of silence in my house every time a certain Optima commercial comes on TV.:thumbsup:

[WSSix]

Very nice! I like the offset stripe. Color choices are spot on. Good luck getting ti finished Mark.

[Sieg]

Mayhem is coming
http://www.careercapitalist.com/.a/6a00d8345275cf69e20177439824ba970d-800wi

Good choices Mark. :thumbsup:

[Sonar Chief]

Very nice colors :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

No vent windows in the rendering? Reality or illusion?

Good luck with the thrash!

[qship510]

OK, I'll say it.....

Ever so respectfully Mr. Stigelow.......

Please no stripe......

[Flash68]

Pure excellence as expected. :thumbsup:

Are you by chance going to make a 2nd spoiler like that? :unibrow:

[89 RS]

I didn't know what to expect...and now...just awesome. :thumbsup:

[214Chevy]

They are great guys and have to make it perfect...
It will be the best paint job you have ever seen.



Now that we have color and know what it looks like, we can all get some sleep. :lolhit: :lolhit: But, if I must say so myself, it is a work of art...a beautiful rendition of a Chevy Classic. :wow: :wow: And yes Mark, it has to be perfect because after "MAYHEM" kicks everybody's a$$ at OUSCI it will be in all of the magazines and all over the net. So, when it displays as the leader of the pack it has to look damn good....right?

[fleetus macmullitz]

OK, I'll say it.....

Ever so respectfully Mr. Stigelow.......

Please no stripe......

'John Ringer' hated stripes at first too...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/32740a16.jpg

but he came around to Mr. Stielow's way of thinking.

:lol:

[Spiffav8]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Large20Image.jpg
It well be Porsche Silver with an orange strip soon

Stielow :unibrow:

I was under the impression that it's not easy to get the paint codes on cars like this. Using a little insider pull or what? :lol: Great combo and I am digging the rendering big time!

:captain:

[FETorino]

OK, I'll say it.....

Ever so respectfully Mr. Stigelow.......

Please no stripe......

Really? :rolleyes:

Love the theme and the stripe :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

I'm not much of a custom stripe guy, but I think that looks killer. :thumbsup:

[67zo6Camaro]

Rendering by Murray Pfaff

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/camaro_silver_05.jpg

I saw this car two years ago and I chose the colors off this show car,

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Large20Image.jpg
It well be Porsche Silver with an orange strip soon

Stielow :unibrow:

I just wet myself. (street talk). For you engineer folk it means, excellent execution with a classy look and style. Another high mark build for you Mark.

:cheers:

[Stielow]

I was under the impression that it's not easy to get the paint codes on cars like this. Using a little insider pull or what? :lol: Great combo and I am digging the rendering big time!

:captain:

A Lat-G member (DOOM) got me the paint code though a contact he had and even sprayed out a couple samples for me. He took the time to help me out and ship them to me. I really appreciated it thanks Mario!

The guys on this site are great and keep our hobby fun. Thanks for all the help and support.

Mark :lateral:

[Roberts68]

Appearances are always subjective, Art is open to interpretation and everybody has an opinion.

I like the stripe and overall look because it pays homage to the racebred beast where Mark saw the color combo and HE liked it. Also, because in my opinion it has a believable nostalgic quality about it as if maybe that "could" have been on a Trans Am racing Camaro back in the day.

Mark stated that he was going "a little more race" with this one and I think the look fits that and then some.:thumbsup:

By the way, it just bumped Scott Parkhursts Wagon at Optima as my Wallpaper after an 11 month run. We rode in the Wagon last summer.

[Stuart Adams]

Looks great. I am looking forward to this car trying to live up to the performance standards set by Red Devil. Should be fun. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

I really like the orange stripe.It remind's of the Orange cream sicle's that I can't get enough of. :D

[Sieg]

Mark,

Any aero enhancements plans for the undercarriage?

[kwhizz]

It just keeps getting "Better"..........


Ken

[fleetus macmullitz]

The sharp-eyed reader likely noticed the cones were not under the car.

[Z10ROD]

very cool I like and a good name allstate sponsor ? was really waching to see if anyone but myself assembled car before painting. I just know I have problems if I don't do it that way. I was doubting my skills in assembly after paint even with everything pre-fit.:thumbsup: :lateral:

[next69]

5 days and no updates??? Hopefully the car will be at Autorama this year, definately a must see.

[Rick D]

Well where the pictures of it going around the proving ground :rofl:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Sorry Guys, We've been nothing but busy at the shop. The car is officially painted and I have some pictures to share of whats been happening the last week or so. :thumbsup:
Now to wet sanding and buffing!

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0982.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0983.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_1003.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_1005.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_1001.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0999.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o132/novablue71/IMG_0996.jpg

More pictures to come!

[Gandalf]

I want to be the first to say an official Woot!!!

Well done guys!
G.

[lil427z]

looking good mark.
rick k:thumbsup:

[ccracin]

I second that :woot: !

[badmatt]

That silver.... wow Best looking silver I have seen.

Matt

[Musclerodz]

That silver is absolutely sick.

[BBC71Nova]

That's a beautiful silver. Car looks fantastic

[Rick D]

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

Very nice Paul, Joe, and Mark,! :thumbsup:

[214Chevy]

Ooooooh weeee........:faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: Mark, can you give me permission to steal the offset/one stripe?

[Sieg]

Well played Sir. :thumbsup:

And thank you for taking time to share the experience with us. :hail:

[clill]

Looks to me like about 11 weeks till SEMA and Optima..:willy: :willy: :dance: :morepower

[Rick D]

Looks to me like about 11 weeks till SEMA and Optima..:willy: :willy: :dance: :morepower

There's always one in the bunch to stir the pot! :lol: But it is funny nun the less. Come on Charlie he can finish it up in no time, say maybe in the trailer on the way to Sema!

[Ron in SoCal]

Paint is great (!) but.....can we please have a little Stielow tech? :yes:

[srh3trinity]

I will repeat what has been said before, that silver pops. That is a great color. Another killer Stielow build!

[sokoloka]

Looks awesome. Can't wait to see it after the cut and buff!

[72Z/28]

Wooo that silver is definitely sick:thumbsup:

By the way Mark what color code is that silver?

[OLDFLM]

That silver.... wow Best looking silver I have seen.

Matt

LOVE that silver!!! Jury is still out about the stripe tho... :(

[fleetus macmullitz]

Jury is still out about the stripe tho... :(

Man, if ever there is a guy that should know that the man has earned his stripe(s)... it should be you Ty. :rolleyes:




:lol:

[Stielow]

Paint is great (!) but.....can we please have a little Stielow tech? :yes:

We made *^@!! HP and ??$# torque

It weighs ?@*+9 pounds :_paranoid

Stielow

[ChuckDriver]

Nice!

[Sieg]

We made *^@!! HP and ??$# torque

It weighs ?@*+9 pounds :_paranoid

Stielow

Them there's some impressive numbers!
:rofl:

[JohnC]

Wow! That silver looks amazing!

Great job, Paul and Joe!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

John

[Rick D]

We made *^@!! HP and ??$# torque

It weighs ?@*+9 pounds :_paranoid

Stielow

Shouldn't you be working on putting it together?? Not wasting time on here!! Tic Toc Tic Toc :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

We made *^@!! HP and ??$# torque

It weighs ?@*+9 pounds :_paranoid

Stielow

I feel better now. Thanks Mark :D

[Stielow]

I feel better now. Thanks Mark :D

Ron

The truth is I don't know. Brian Thomson has not dynoed my engine yet and I have not weighed the car.....:willy:

I'm riding him to get it on the pump. We have a few things to try but loosing 6 weeks to paint I'm out of time. Getting ready to fall back to what I know will work......

Mark

[Roberts68]

What? No "Mayhem" avatar yet Mark?:lol:

Speaking of weight, didn't red devil have an aluminum front clip and CF hood?

Steel '67 Fenders and sheet metal on Mayhem right?

[fleetus macmullitz]

We made *^@!! HP and ??$# torque

It weighs ?@*+9 pounds :_paranoid

Stielow


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Funnies/Belichick.jpg


Yeah baby yeah!

:D

[srh3trinity]

We made *^@!! HP and ??$# torque

It weighs ?@*+9 pounds :_paranoid

Stielow

I think those numbers could only be described as obscene.

[z4me69]

not enough you need lots and lots more power lol:_paranoid :D

[waynieZ]

The color looks great on there Mark, but those numbers are really subjective to interpretation!:D

[89 RS]

Paint looks awesome!

[Stielow]

The Camaro is back from paint and at Sled Alley.

We also dynoed the engine Monday. We are a bit down on torque but made it up in HP

877 HP and 820 Ft*Lbs....:willy:

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/photo1.jpg

We have been hammer on the car all week. We have all the ABS brake lines in the car, all the chassis on the car and the engine and trans in it.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Clinton-20120824-000281.jpg

Still on the count down until SEMA.

Mark

[WicKeD_SS]

:brix: cant wait to see this car finished! plane bad a$$ :thumbsup:

[Sonar Chief]

WOW that is awesome :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Very well done ... good luck with the trash, we're tuned in for any updates!

[Rick D]

So Mark will you get to shake it down before Optima?? Looks great, but don't worry about updating us, just keep going! :cheers:

[ChuckDriver]

Amazing!!

[89 RS]

We also dynoed the engine Monday. We are a bit down on torque but made it up in HP

877 HP and 820 Ft*Lbs....:willy:


Mark

Wish I had that kind of problem- "a bit down on torque". :D

[WSSix]

Man those are some fantastic numbers!

[Sieg]

Thank you for keeping us in the loop. Impressive #'s on the new motor, looking forward to seeing the chassis dyno numbers. This one might hook up better with more on top. Enjoy the grind. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

The Camaro is back from paint and at Sled Alley.

We also dynoed the engine Monday. We are a bit down on torque but made it up in HP 877 HP and 820 Ft*Lbs....:willy:

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/photo1.jpg


Tough break on those torque numbers ... but on the bright side, that's a very nice stripe.

:lol:

[waynieZ]

The car looks great. Nice numbers!

[Blake Foster]

Yea Sucks that it only has 877 hp??? oh well back to the drawing board. better luck next time. :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

Yea Sucks that it only has 877 hp??? oh well back to the drawing board. better luck next time. :thumbsup:

yeah, and real numbers, not ice-water-in-the-intercooler-for-max-HP numbers. Repeatable as installed in the car numbers, and at a safe lower boost level.

[GRob]

You know I've always felt that a car with less than 825 ft lbs feels a bit torqueless to be perfectly frank.








J/k :thumbsup:

[kwhizz]

You know I've always felt that a car with less than 825 ft lbs feels a bit torqueless to be perfectly frank.








J/k :thumbsup:


Yep!!......I was just thinking the same thing!!........:woot:

[Stielow]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/PowerCourve.jpg

More details on the Thomson Automotive 427 LS blown engine.

Mark

[Flash68]

:fire:

[Track Junky]

775 ft/lbs at 3000???!!! :wow:

Christ Sake Man!!! Have you gone mad!!! :lol:

[Sieg]

775 ft/lbs at 3000???!!! :wow:

Christ Sake Man!!! Have you gone mad!!! :lol:

And at 5,250! WOW!

[Rybar]

That dyno graph is just freakin awesome :lol: :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Those numbers have my mind all over the place!

:hail: :yes: :thumbsup: :willy: :bow: :cheers: :clap: :omg: :omg: :brix: :unibrow: :hail: :eek:

Can't wait to see it!

Brian

[FETorino]

:omg: that graph what can you say :censored: :wow: You know you are running DOT 200tw tires right :willy:

[EBMC]

I never thought I could get excited by looking at graph.......I was wrong!:hail:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark, based on those dyno numbers it seems your...

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car's got a lot of pickup.



:lol:

[Rick D]

:lol: :lol:

Man just love that movie! :thumbsup:

[jimbo]

So it should do a pretty good burnout? :D

[Stielow]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/PowerCourve.jpg

More details on the Thomson Automotive 427 LS blown engine.

Mark

I asked Dave Mikels and Brian Thomson for a bit more HP and I could give up some TQ. I think they did a great job! This is on less boost than Red Devil with the same blower ratio. We did not cheat up the intercooler water we try to make it like as installed in the car.

3rd gear roll on burn outs should no be an issue....:thumbsup:

Now back to the shop to try to get this Camaro done. We don't race dynos.....

Mark

[Sieg]

We don't race dynos.....

Mark

Quote of the year for me.

Looking forward to Pahrump. :thumbsup:

[protour73]

3rd gear roll on burn outs should no be an issue....:thumbsup:

Now back to the shop to try to get this Camaro done. We don't race dynos.....

MarkThis is my quote of the year....when my car grows up, it wants to be just like Mark's!! .............damn

[65 347]

775 ft/lbs at 3000???!!! :wow:

Christ Sake Man!!! Have you gone mad!!! :lol:

Looks like someone is going to need a tire sponsor!
Great job and good looking build.

[bulldog19]

The name Mayhem suits this build percfectly!

[Stielow]

Update

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[cencalc6]

Very Nice! :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

Take care of my car. :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

This being your 3rd supercharged LS install on a 1st gen that I've seen here Mark, I would think must have really have helped cut the time down on the install.

Looks amazing btw.:cool:

[Stielow]

This being your 3rd supercharged LS install on a 1st gen that I've seen here Mark, I would think must have really have helped cut the time down on the install.

Looks amazing btw.:cool:

Yes my 3rd LS9 install makes it easier.

There are a few changes due to the increased power.

Mark

[Sieg]

Very nice Mark!

Looking forward to the scales report.

[GregWeld]

It's okay.... if that's what you're in to....






XOXOX


Looks great!

[Swain]

You would never think of those numbers if you just looked at it, Bad Ass Car :thumbsup:

[Jr]

Update

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[IMG]

Mark,
Are you running solid motor mounts with this motor?

[Vegas69]

Looking great Mark. I always appreciate your desire to keep things servicable, yet sanitary. Kick some ass, we are all rooting for you.

[69x22]

Looks OEM under the hood.:thumbsup:

[Rick D]

:wow: Wow you guys are kicking some major butt on putting it together :thumbsup:

Sooooo how long before you have ignition??? You really can see you that you work for GM in how it looks like GM built it just looks so factory! Great job Mark:bow:

[Rick D]

Oh yah and no pressure only 58 days until the start of Sema :willy: :rofl:
Sorry couldn't resist! :thumbsup:

[glassman]

THIS THINGS ROCKS!!!

Remember when "bling" was the thing? Sorry, it wasn't for me either.

THIS CAR TAKES THE CAKE!!! And the whole barbeque too....

[Sonar Chief]

Yes my 3rd LS9 install makes it easier.

There are a few changes due to the increased power.

Mark

Mark you make this look easy ... LS9 power is amazing!
Thanks for sharing ... could stare at these pictures for days and still be amazed at the detail.:cheers:

Is that wiper motor going on the inside of the cowl? That's cool ... kit or homemade?

[GregWeld]

"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." Mark Donahue


:rofl: :willy:

[fleetus macmullitz]

"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." Mark Donahue


:rofl: :willy:

We get lots of dark marks on the pavement out here too...:(

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/amish2.jpg

lol

[214Chevy]

Sorry guys, I'm not into all that racing stuff, but I do know a beautifully, well done car when I see one and this is at the front of the pack. :hail: :hail: Very nicely done as all of your cars are Mark. :yes: :yes: Although, like I just said I'm not much into racing, I do like to know when a car does well and is a top performer. Can't wait to see what how it does and how much ass it's gonna kick. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[analyte]

Just read the entire thread. Awesome build and great ideas/details for the rest of us to emulate.

Kerry

[FETorino]

Very Impressive.

The dyno figures, the paint job and the OEM feel under the hood. :wow:

[Frankenstine]

Ahhhhh Mr Stielow, Friekin soooo sweet, Congrats:bow: This thing is sick, liking the colors and no bling approach, very impressive,:thumbsup: :cheers:

[formula88]

Some more pics...

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Mayhem_engine.jpg


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p603/67CamaroLS7/Mayhem_hood.jpg

[camcojb]

Ahhhhh Mr Stielow, Friekin soooo sweet, Congrats:bow: This thing is sick, liking the colors and no bling approach, very impressive,:thumbsup: :cheers:

yeah, at least he got away from the red/blue fittings. :lol: Just kidding Mark. :lolhit:

[clill]

Thats it ? Two pics ?

[coolwelder62]

Two pic's.Two:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[formula88]

Thats it ? Two pics ?

Haha... Guess you need to bug Stielow to get more work done :D

[preston]

Would sure like to hear as many details on the engine as you want to share.
All I know is that it is a "ZR1" supercharged 427 LS.

Heads ? Cam ? Idle vacuum ? Compression ?
Mods ?

I usually assume that even the modern compression style blowers are still only about 5% efficient (including drive losses), which means at 882 whp the base engine is making 550 to the wheels ?

[camcojb]

Would sure like to hear as many details on the engine as you want to share.
All I know is that it is a "ZR1" supercharged 427 LS.

Heads ? Cam ? Idle vacuum ? Compression ?
Mods ?

I usually assume that even the modern compression style blowers are still only about 5% efficient (including drive losses), which means at 882 whp the base engine is making 550 to the wheels ?
Huh???!!!!!! I will guarantee it makes way more than 550 rwhp. :thumbsup: 5% efficiency seems just a bit low................ ;) I remember when they were first starting the dynoing of the ZR1's their first dyno pulls were making close to 700 rwhp. They definitely backed it down for the production cars.

[preston]

Well if it is more efficient than 5% than the base engine power number is lower than 550. I know you understand that - IF the blower is 6% efficient than the base motor would make 512 whp. This assumes 12 psi of boost.

550whp is about the max I've seen for the 427Ls motors that are in what I would call the "streetable envelope", and Mark has always setup his cars to have reasonably tractable drivetrains. So I don't think it is "under rating" it to arrive at 550, that is a huge number, somewhere north of 650 on the motor dyno. That's why I'm always very curious about idle speed and vacuum, its the only way I know of to get some idea of how aggressive the engine is.

Not trying to be "one of those guys", I'm just genuinely curious about what went into such an amazing engine.

[camcojb]

Well if it is more efficient than 5% than the base engine power number is lower than 550. I know you understand that - IF the blower is 6% efficient than the base motor would make 512 whp. This assumes 12 psi of boost.

550whp is about the max I've seen for the 427Ls motors that are in what I would call the "streetable envelope", and Mark has always setup his cars to have reasonably tractable drivetrains. So I don't think it is "under rating" it to arrive at 550, that is a huge number, somewhere north of 650 on the motor dyno. That's why I'm always very curious about idle speed and vacuum, its the only way I know of to get some idea of how aggressive the engine is.

Not trying to be "one of those guys", I'm just genuinely curious about what went into such an amazing engine.
I think you and I have a different definition of efficiency. If I say a blower is 5% efficient then that means it's 95% inefficient, it costs nearly as much HP to run as it makes.

Since the stock ZR1's dyno in the 540-550 rwhp range (Dynojet) and make 638 flywheel HP, I'm not sure how you'd add 240+ flywheel HP and still dyno at 550 rwhp.

Yes, the blower costs HP to run. If he's making 880 HP he's probably using fuel for 1000 HP+ to cover running the blower.

[camcojb]

To answer your question on engine specifics, we'll wait on Mark. I do know that Red Devil idled like a stocker at 600-650 rpm, so the cam doesn't have a lot of overlap.............. ;)

[preston]

Yeah my mistake - I'm totally using the phrase "blower efficieny" incorrectly. By that I mean you gain 5% power per psi of boost. The max "efficiency" possible is 7% (100 % / 14.7) which is close to what turbos get. Blowers (especially PD style) usually dip down to 5% per psi of boost.

When I say the "base engine makes 550whp" I mean with (theoretically) no boost or blower restriction the base engine makes 550

I was under the impression those dyno results I saw were chassis numbers, but I went back and those are engine dyno numbers. So if I run my little rule of thumb -
5% * 12 psi = 60% more power

875/1.6=550 base engine power at the flywheel. That actually makes more sense to me as a 550 hp Ls 427 is well within a streetable, tractable envelope.

Either way a tour de force, especially as we know the work has been done so it can live under track abuse.

[camcojb]

Yeah my mistake - I'm totally using the phrase "blower efficieny" incorrectly. By that I mean you gain 5% power per psi of boost. The max "efficiency" possible is 7% (100 % / 14.7) which is close to what turbos get. Blowers (especially PD style) usually dip down to 5% per psi of boost.

When I say the "base engine makes 550whp" I mean with (theoretically) no boost or blower restriction the base engine makes 550

I was under the impression those dyno results I saw were chassis numbers, but I went back and those are engine dyno numbers. So if I run my little rule of thumb -
5% * 12 psi = 60% more power

875/1.6=550 base engine power at the flywheel. That actually makes more sense to me as a 550 hp Ls 427 is well within a streetable, tractable envelope.

Either way a tour de force, especially as we know the work has been done so it can live under track abuse.

Now I understand. :thumbsup: 550 n/a FHP is probably close, knowing his conservative boost level. Hopefully Mark can share the engine specifics that aren't secret. :unibrow:

[mikels]

Now I understand. :thumbsup: 550 n/a FHP is probably close, knowing his conservative boost level. Hopefully Mark can share the engine specifics that aren't secret. :unibrow:

After beating mercilessly on Red Devil for a couple years without issue, Mark was almost set to have Brian Thomson (http://www.thomsonautomotive.com) just build another copy of that engine - after all, why mess with a proven package? However, we were always talking about how he could use more HP, while giving up some TQ. As well, the thermal requirements for Red Devil were getting a little difficult to say the least.

The goal of engine for Mayhem was to address all of these 'short comings' - and I think the results show at least a couple of those have been meet very well (won't know the whole cooling factor until installed and run in car).

As far as calculating power per % boost - it gets a little more complicated. Positive displacement superchargers like the TVS Eaton series are quite efficient from an adiabatic standpoint. But like any compressor, they have an efficiency map that shows where you are operating based on total airflow and pressure ratio. Adiabatic efficiency determines how much you will heat the air for those given parameters (airflow & pressure ratio). This factors into a couple parameters you are most interested in: Density ratio and temperature.

While everyone running a boosted motor likes to talk pressure ratio (PSIG), what you really care about is density ratio. That determines the amount of oxygen you are moving through the engine (and therefore power). The more efficient the compressor, the less heat added for same amount of pressure (which results in higher density ratio).

As well, less heat means less heat to remove with intercooler. If you had 100% adiabatic efficient compressor, you'd need no intercooler as outlet air would be same temp as inlet air (and density ratio would be same as pressure ratio).

Added to this, with an engine driven compressor, there are mechanical power losses associated with powering the compressor. Again, these are plotted out on an efficiency table, but one that relates pressure ratio and compressor RPM to power required. (Turbo's have losses too (backpressure - just not directly mechanical - there is no free lunch....)

So what does this all mean when we designed Mark's new engine? Well, we knew the goals (more HP, less TQ, less heat). And we had all the data from Red Devil. So we targeted efficiency improvements to reach these goals.

Adiabatic efficiency was plotted for desired airflow (@ density ratio) to increase power and calculate intercooler demands. Blower losses were plotted to calculate mechanical efficiency. Airflow of engine was altered with revised cylinder heads and cam shaft design based on modeling.

Original target for Mayhem engine was a conservative 850 HP / 800 TQ while reducing cooling demands. Result was we overachieved our goals from the power side - and data from engine dyno shows we are on right track from cooling side.

Red Devil made 780 HP / 830 TQ @ 15 PSIG in final calibration form.
Mayhem is making 875 HP / 815 TQ @ 11 PSIG (and we're not done yet!)

My old thermodynamics instructor would be proud! Actually still using that knowledge....

Bottom line, with all the parameters involved, it is never as simple as using a fixed percentage increase per measure of boost. Many, many pages of notes and calculations for all this - just scratching the surface.

[wiedemab]

Great Read! I haven't heard "adiabatic" in awhile! I really miss Thermo. I remember all of those assumptions we made -- - lots of 100% adiabatic compressors in those old homework problems.

This level of engineering and preparation is what makes Mark's cars special. - - they are true representations of the Scientific Method

Plan
Do
Check
Act


Can't wait for this project to reach the first iteration of "Act".

[camcojb]

After beating mercilessly on Red Devil for a couple years without issue, Mark was almost set to have Brian Thomson (http://www.thomsonautomotive.com) just build another copy of that engine - after all, why mess with a proven package? However, we were always talking about how he could use more HP, while giving up some TQ. As well, the thermal requirements for Red Devil were getting a little difficult to say the least.

The goal of engine for Mayhem was to address all of these 'short comings' - and I think the results show at least a couple of those have been meet very well (won't know the whole cooling factor until installed and run in car).

As far as calculating power per % boost - it gets a little more complicated. Positive displacement superchargers like the TVS Eaton series are quite efficient from an adiabatic standpoint. But like any compressor, they have an efficiency map that shows where you are operating based on total airflow and pressure ratio. Adiabatic efficiency determines how much you will heat the air for those given parameters (airflow & pressure ratio). This factors into a couple parameters you are most interested in: Density ratio and temperature.

While everyone running a boosted motor likes to talk pressure ratio (PSIG), what you really care about is density ratio. That determines the amount of oxygen you are moving through the engine (and therefore power). The more efficient the compressor, the less heat added for same amount of pressure (which results in higher density ratio).

As well, less heat means less heat to remove with intercooler. If you had 100% adiabatic efficient compressor, you'd need no intercooler as outlet air would be same temp as inlet air (and density ratio would be same as pressure ratio).

Added to this, with an engine driven compressor, there are mechanical power losses associated with powering the compressor. Again, these are plotted out on an efficiency table, but one that relates pressure ratio and compressor RPM to power required. (Turbo's have losses too (backpressure - just not directly mechanical - there is no free lunch....)

So what does this all mean when we designed Mark's new engine? Well, we knew the goals (more HP, less TQ, less heat). And we had all the data from Red Devil. So we targeted efficiency improvements to reach these goals.

Adiabatic efficiency was plotted for desired airflow (@ density ratio) to increase power and calculate intercooler demands. Blower losses were plotted to calculate mechanical efficiency. Airflow of engine was altered with revised cylinder heads and cam shaft design based on modeling.

Original target for Mayhem engine was a conservative 850 HP / 800 TQ while reducing cooling demands. Result was we overachieved our goals from the power side - and data from engine dyno shows we are on right track from cooling side.

Red Devil made 780 HP / 830 TQ @ 15 PSIG in final calibration form.
Mayhem is making 875 HP / 815 TQ @ 11 PSIG (and we're not done yet!)

My old thermodynamics instructor would be proud! Actually still using that knowledge....

Bottom line, with all the parameters involved, it is never as simple as using a fixed percentage increase per measure of boost. Many, many pages of notes and calculations for all this - just scratching the surface.

Great Read! I haven't heard "adiabatic" in awhile! I really miss Thermo. I remember all of those assumptions we made -- - lots of 100% adiabatic compressors in those old homework problems.

This level of engineering and preparation is what makes Mark's cars special. - - they are true representations of the Scientific Method

Plan
Do
Check
Act


Can't wait for this project to reach the first iteration of "Act".
thanks for the info Dave. I understood most of it......... :lol:

Are you coming out for Optima?

[mikels]

thanks for the info Dave. I understood most of it......... :lol:

Are you coming out for Optima?

Yup - I'll be there! Always a good time to catch up with people and see some awesome cars.

[camcojb]

Yup - I'll be there! Always a good time to catch up with people and see some awesome cars.

Perfect! You can be the guy under the car, doing the dirty work............ :lol:

[Roberts68]

I just want to say it sure is cool to be a proverbial mouse in the corner during some of these discussions.:thumbsup: :lateral:
Speed better provide the coverage this car deserves. Can't get enough of Marks Camaro's.:bow:

[daemon2]

I put the two images together - hope you don't mind. This thing rocks!

http://www.daemoncustomauto.com/Media/Mayhem_merged%20d2.jpg

[Stielow]

I put the two images together - hope you don't mind. This thing rocks!

http://www.daemoncustomauto.com/Media/Mayhem_merged%20d2.jpg

Cool photo.

We are cranking away on it still. We are in the disillusionment stage or the program. Working real hard and it looks like nothing is happining.

If you want to see more geek squad stuff check out Ryan Kuhlenbeck's Excel Spreed Sheet for the wiring. This is from the learings on 3 LS9 projects and other projects he has worked on. The biggest problem is he lives in San Fran

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/camaro_silver_05.jpg

That is one page of 10+ with every wire, connector called out. It actually saves time if you need to trouble shoot the car.

It is great to work with a bunch of Engineers like Mikels, Kuhlenbeck, Rojewski, Gardner and Thomson :lateral:

Mark

[Amituk]

Hey, would you be willing to share the LS9 Spreadsheet?

Also can you share your engine spec/cost?

I want to use an LS9 for my own project

Amit

[Stielow]

Project update...

We have had the car back for 3 weeks and 2 days. Matt at Sled Alley is doing a great job getting the car ready to test.

All of the engine bay is almost done. A few small things left to do

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The fuel pump contoller from Vapor Works. Diff over flow tank and fuel tank over flow tank.

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Twin ZL-1 fuel pumps in a Ricks tank

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[coolwelder62]

Mark,It look's outstanding.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[OLDFLM]

Seeing your vision now Mark! Digging the stripe now!

[brownz]

ALL business!!! :thumbsup:

[Rick D]

:cheering: :drool: :cheering: :drool:

Very nice!!! Only 47 days and counting until SEMA! :unibrow:

[Stuart Adams]

Cool car. Mark the bar you set is pretty high for 1st gen camaro's. It is going to be cool to see if this car can win that gunfight. Going to be a fun journey. Like the color.:thumbsup:

[Roberts68]

I think it was Sonar Chief who first commented on noticing it but it sure would appear that you have removed the trunk divider/rear package tray and are moving forward, leaving it out by this point.

I suppose it is rather insignificant but will there be any divider modular or otherwise?

Part of the "race diet" or is there more engineering to the decision?

[Ron in SoCal]

What, no magnetic shocks? :D :cheers:

Seriously Mark the car looks great! What are you doing for the rear trans mount? I'll be at Optima rooting for you...

[Vince@Meanstreets]

very clean.

[Sieg]

State of the Art 1st Gen build. Congratulations to all those involved. :cheers:

[Musclerodz]

What, no magnetic shocks? :D :cheers:

Seriously Mark the car looks great! What are you doing for the rear trans mount? I'll be at Optima rooting for you...

its there, go back and look at the last pic.

[Jr]

Hmmm, no wing on the back of this monster?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Yeah Mark, I guess OUSCI is a big deal (if yer into that kinda thing...lol), but the lat-g feature of the month club has been a no-fly zone for too long and needs this one ... badd! :unibrow:

[JMitch19]

What, no magnetic shocks? :D :cheers:

Seriously Mark the car looks great! What are you doing for the rear trans mount? I'll be at Optima rooting for you...

its there, go back and look at the last pic.

I noticed that as well when the car was at Joe and Paul's shop. They said that there is added structure to the seat mount area for the trans mount. That is why the trans mount doesn't need to be mounted to the frame rails. I hope that is correct. Maybe Mark can give more details.

[waynieZ]

Awesome progress in a short time. I can't wait to see the performance out of this one.

[WSSix]

Fourth gen fbodies have a similar trans mount. It's not an entire member like on a 1st or 2nd gen.


Looking great Mark!

[suark]

Hmmm, no wing on the back of this monster?

Damn, and I thought I was going to be one of the few on the planet without one...

[fleetus macmullitz]

Always a good idea to carry some 'style point chips' when your in Vegas. :unibrow:

The stripe really adds alot to the overall look.

[Sonar Chief]

Update

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http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Camaro%20XII/DSC_4442.jpg

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers: I thought I recognized the hidden wiper system .... I was thinking of using the same setup, very nice :hail:

[scottysimp7]

Just off the chain! Drool...:willy:

[72Z/28]

who sells that? i'd like to put one in my 67. thx, rm


mark this thing is the biggity bomb, can wait to see & hear this beast run. i remember the first build you did, you've come a long way baby! :hail:

The hidden wiper system can be found in camarocentral.com

Mark can chime in and give more info on that

[Sonar Chief]

who sells that? i'd like to put one in my 67. thx, rm


mark this thing is the biggity bomb, can wait to see & hear this beast run. i remember the first build you did, you've come a long way baby! :hail:

Here is the manufacturers website ... looks like a nice setup.
www.pacificwesterndesign.com

[Sonar Chief]

thx for the link.

hey had to ask what is your avatar all about, is that the date obama converted from a muslim to a god fearing christian? lol thx, rm

NO .... the date Dec 25,1983 was the date that I earned my Dolphins and the CO pinned them on my chest, and I had the old style dolphins tattooed on my forearm .... 28years later!

Wikipedia actually has a nice write up from the beginning a NUB to being qualified submarines, good read!

Thanks for asking.

[windycitychev]

I have been going through your entire build spread since I got into work at 7 am funny I work and stop and look at your build, just awsome build cant wait to see the finished product makes me wonder about mine great job overall

[Z10ROD]

WOW thats all I can say .

[Sieg]

Mark - Finished yet? :D

[BBC71Nova]

Wondering if we'll see much more. There's an unveil next week at Formula 43 if I'm not mistaken. F43 has a new wheel debuting as well. Can't wait to check that out too.

[clill]

I think Mark will be pulling a couple all nighters. Almost ready to start up.

[Rick D]

I think Mark will be pulling a couple all nighters. Almost ready to start up.

31 days and counting :D :_paranoid

[Flash68]

I may have missed it, Mark, but what rear gear are you running with this one? I believe you had 3.25 with Red Devil.

[Flash68]

that's a tall gear for road racing isn't it?

Not when you have 800+ ft lbs at dang near off idle. That's called torque management.

[Roberts68]

Not when you have 800+ ft lbs at dang near off idle. That's called torque management.

In laymans' terms Dave, would you say that is so that Mayhem and Red Devil don't just fry the tires at will like the car is on a frozen lake? Wait... did that Minnesota analogy get lost on some?:P

[clill]

It runs !!!!!!

[NovaBlue71]

Cool, but where's the video? I had to ask before someone else did. :thumbsup:

[cmraman]

It runs !!!!!!

AWESOME!!!!!!!
:thumbsup:

[bdahlg68]

I'm going through update withdrawal here. Must have pics!

[Stielow]

I'm going through update withdrawal here. Must have pics!

Sorry guys for no updates, we have pulled a bunch of all nighters to get the car running. It sounds great. I love LS engines. Brian Thomson and Dave Mikels gave me a engine and calibration that when I hit the key it rolled over about 1/2 a revolution and fired up. Ryan Kuhlenbeck's wiring was flawless so we power it up and did some trouble shooting and found a ground wire I missed then it fired up.

Matt and the guys from Sled Alley have done some 24 hour days to get it done. The car looks killer.

My buddy Tom Gardner help me all weekend finish up the wring so that is all done.

The car will be running and driving this Friday at the Formula 43 Wheel open house in Livonia, MI.

We are going to break it in this weekend and take it to Gingerman for a shake down Oct 13 - 14.

I will post some pictures of the Formula 43 open house.

This project has been a huge team effort. I hope is performs well at the track for the test.

Mark

[MaxHarvard]

Stellar work as always!

[coolwelder62]

Congrat's Mark:thumbsup: :thumbsup: .I hope all your hard work pay's off in Vegas.

[Rick D]

:theresa: :theresa: :theresa: :theresa: :cheering: :cheering: :cheering:

Fantastic can't wait to see the pictures and maybe a video of the shake down :unibrow: please !!!

[Sieg]

Good to hear Mark :thumbsup:

Best wishes and luck in the upcoming weeks.

Ideally the media, competitors, and spectators at OUSCI will respect the project name by December. :cheers:

[clill]

Mark is too rummy to remember to post. You have to keep in mind that he is also working a full time job.

[fleetus macmullitz]

The bottom might drop out of the market for rear seats for pro-touring cars.:wow:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/attachment-16.jpg

[hifi875]

thats a good use to a otherwise waste of a backseat anyway. looks awesome!!

[Rick D]

Very nice! :hail:

[Roberts68]

That is all sorts of sexy going on right there! Thanks for posting that Clill!!

Talk about a space management! The underside of the car as well, looks like he maximized the size of the tank where it could be or is that an illusion? It looks wider than normal clipped corner tanks for sure. If so I would assume it was to up the volume capacity for some events?

[GregWeld]

Mark is too rummy to remember to post. You have to keep in mind that he is also working a full time job.

You're going to really like owning this one Charlie!


:lol:

[Roberts68]

You're going to really like owning this one Charlie!


:lol:

That crossed my mind too.:lol:

Ya know, I have enough space on my bookshelf for another Stielow book some time. I'd like to see more back story on the earlier cars to see what has brought us here.
Having said that, has there been any talk of a "Prequel compilation" or am I being naive?:_paranoid Was there ever a collection of the earlier magazine articles ever available that I am unaware of? Google did not find one for me:rolleyes: .

[camcojb]

The bottom might drop out of the market for rear seats for pro-touring cars.:wow:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/attachment-16.jpg

Absolutely, told Mark I love what he did here. Looks very cool.

[carbuff]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/attachment-16.jpg

To Mark, or anyone else who knows...

How are these panels finished? I cannot tell from the picture if this is powder coated metal, or some kind of thin vinyl, or other other material? Hopefully these will come at some point, but I would love to see some more pictures of how these pieces were forms/attached/connected to prevent gaps/etc.

Thanx!

[Cris@JCG]

Really looking forward to seeing this car @ SEMA & on the track!

What tires you running Mark?

[Sieg]

You're going to really like owning this one Charlie!

:lol:
+1

:woot: :woot:

[waynieZ]

Amazing work on the car. The interior looks great.

[Zanie]

We are going to break it in this weekend and take it to Gingerman for a shake down Oct 13 - 14.

Mark

Dang! If my buddy wasn't getting married that weekend I'd be cruising up to Gingerman to watch. I guess I will have to see it at SEMA!
I can't wait to see all this awesomeness!

[96z28ss]

The bottom might drop out of the market for rear seats for pro-touring cars.:wow:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/attachment-16.jpg

The back seat looks awesome. It's a really nice custom touch. The stock quarter and door panels look out of place now.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

The bottom might drop out of the market for rear seats for pro-touring cars.:wow:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/attachment-16.jpg

OR fold down rear recaro's. :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Yeah, just when you think there's not much else you can do to a first gen. Camaro, someone does something else thats over the top. This car will demand alot of my attention at SEMA. Can't wait. Ron

[Ns RS]

A great example of the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

Wheres the chart that shows the inverse proportion to kick & ass?

Also doesn't look like the GTR calipers from a previous pic...

[214Chevy]

OH MY WORD!!!!!!!:wow: :wow:

[69x22]

Mark is too rummy to remember to post. You have to keep in mind that he is also working a full time job.

Doesn't look like this one is getting a rear spoiler. Beautiful car.

[Rybar]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/camaro_silver_05.jpg


Looks a rear spoiler in the rendering. :thumbsup:

[tmadden]

The bottom might drop out of the market for rear seats for pro-touring cars.:wow:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/attachment-16.jpg

Very interesting. I was thinking about deleting my rear seat

[Rick D]

Looks a rear spoiler in the rendering. :thumbsup:

Judging from this picture I would say no spoiler?? Sorry the picture that was posted is small but there are no holes in the trunk for a spoiler and the way the stripe goes I say it's not getting a spoiler?? But what do I know.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/RS_427/9442ae6b1acac9820cf2344551c27f27.jpg

[Rybar]

Judging from this picture I would say no spoiler?? Sorry the picture that was posted is small but there are no holes in the trunk for a spoiler and the way the stripe goes I say it's not getting a spoiler?? But what do I know.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/RS_427/9442ae6b1acac9820cf2344551c27f27.jpg

Drill some holes?? :_paranoid

[NovaBlue71]

Car isn't getting a rear spoiler.:thumbsup: Joe