Dirt Missile rebuild begins

[GregWeld]

Here’s the CORRECT Dyno sheet I should have posted.....




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[raustinss]

I dont see a plotted line showing how many litres..aka quarts of oil is puked into the interior at that power level

[GregWeld]

I dont see a plotted line showing how many litres..aka quarts of oil is puked into the interior at that power level

Yeah — I suppose I should have posted up that data Austin....


#RonSuttonRaceWannabeBuilder —- 2 gallons per 3 laps

#KurtUrbanSDRaceShopMowerMotors — TBD


Bets being taken now. Odds are - I keep all the bets.

[raustinss]

Funny enough I bet one "engine" builder will tell you how great it "is"
The other wont say much of s@#t and let you figure it out on you own
Weird how sometimes your work can speak for you .
Nice dyno sheet btw

[randy]

666 horsepower? Um ask him to lower it or up it another .1 hp

[gofastwclass]

666 horsepower? Um ask him to lower it or up it another .1 hp

Superstitious? :popcorn2:

[CJD Automotive]

I'm thinking the car just named itself, el suciedad diablo...The Dirt Devil.

[1965_SS]

Car is looking great Greg!!!!!!!!!!!

When is the next time you will be at Thunder Hill?

[ScotI]

I'm thinking the car just named itself, el suciedad diablo...The Dirt Devil.

Cleaning up the West Coast track by track..... :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Car is looking great Greg!!!!!!!!!!!

When is the next time you will be at Thunder Hill?

Norcal Shelby Club Spring Sprint in May is the plan.

[GregWeld]

Funny enough I bet one "engine" builder will tell you how great it "is"
The other wont say much of s@#t and let you figure it out on you own
Weird how sometimes your work can speak for you .
Nice dyno sheet btw

Fact Austin!!

[kbclamper]

what are the cam specs and compression on your new engine? your numbers are very close to my Mamo Motorsports ls3 based 427

[GregWeld]

SpeedTech is moving forward constantly —- no moss growing under their feet!!

Motor came back from Scoggins-Dickey and it was back in the chassis the next day - with some additional modifications to make things better. They moved the engine forward just a bit to get better clearances between it and the firewall. And made the motor plate work with the new Comp Cams front cover —- and added some more connection points to hold the motor. Suttons crew had it hanging on 4 10mm bolts holding the water pump....


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[CJD Automotive]

Look at the engine offset!

Coming together and looking good.

[Flash68]

Look at the engine offset!



Hmm.... maybe the down bars aren't in the proper locations and the engine IS centered..... :headspin:

[GregWeld]

More progress!




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[214Chevy]

Sahweet Greggo!!

[Vegas69]

It's getting exciting again. Maybe you shouldn't have crushed it. Time will tell... ha

[GregWeld]

It's getting exciting again. Maybe you shouldn't have crushed it. Time will tell... ha

I should have crushed it - with him in it! LOL

[Ns RS]

More progress!




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Oh names will be taken and lawns will be mowed...

[Blake Foster]

Look at the engine offset!

Coming together and looking good.

Tt is all due to the rack location and oil pan, The way Sweet builds the racks is that when they narrow them, the pinion also moves closer to the center, we ran into this on the Extreme front end and ended up having to use a wider rack to clear the LS oil pan rail which is wider then even a big block.

It is ALWAYS the rack the dictates the placement of EVERYTHING. if you want the geometry correct.

[CJD Automotive]

Tt is all due to the rack location and oil pan, The way Sweet builds the racks is that when they narrow them, the pinion also moves closer to the center, we ran into this on the Extreme front end and ended up having to use a wider rack to clear the LS oil pan rail which is wider then even a big block.

It is ALWAYS the rack the dictates the placement of EVERYTHING. if you want the geometry correct.

Gotcha, didn't realize that about the racks. I thought it was moved over for weight distribution to offset the driver.

[mitch_04]

Was the MSD Airforce intake chose because of size or performance? I'm interested in different builders opinions in intake manifolds, why MSD instead of Fast or Holley or....

[GregWeld]

Was the MSD Airforce intake chose because of size or performance? I'm interested in different builders opinions in intake manifolds, why MSD instead of Fast or Holley or....



Because it makes 25hp and 25Tq over the others......


Easy choice

[Flash68]

Gotcha, didn't realize that about the racks. I thought it was moved over for weight distribution to offset the driver.

One thing he did appear to get right was the corner balancing and this should have helped I'd think?

[Turbo6inKY]

One thing he did appear to get right was the corner balancing and this should have helped I'd think?

Concentrating on one thing to the exception of all others never helps.

[mitch_04]

Because it makes 25hp and 25Tq over the others......


Easy choice

Did they test on this engine or is that from a different test?

Not doubting or anything, just curious! I don't have a lot of money so what I spend needs to be researched well!

[GregWeld]

Did they test on this engine or is that from a different test?

Not doubting or anything, just curious! I don't have a lot of money so what I spend needs to be researched well!



No Mitch, no testing here — but if you search the ‘net — the MSD seems to be the current power maker. Lots of info about them - and tests done against others etc.

[Che70velle]

Great to see this thing coming along so well Greg. What electronics will run this engine?

[GregWeld]

Great to see this thing coming along so well Greg. What electronics will run this engine?



It’s running a Holley Dominator

[1965_SS]

Greg,
Is Benny Moon going to still drive the car?

[GregWeld]

Greg,
Is Benny Moon going to still drive the car?

No Todd —-

I’m going to put Jay Weir (SpeedTechs hot shoe) in the car..... They built it - for all intents and purposes - since it’s now 100% a brand new car.... Let them get it dialed in and sorted.

I’d like to drive it if I have the strength and mindset.... but not for the first time or two in a competitive setting. So I’ve signed up for May NorCal Shelby at my “home track” — Thunderhill.

[1965_SS]

No Todd —-

I’m going to put Jay Weir (SpeedTechs hot shoe) in the car..... They built it - for all intents and purposes - since it’s now 100% a brand new car.... Let them get it dialed in and sorted.

I’d like to drive it if I have the strength and mindset.... but not for the first time or two in a competitive setting. So I’ve signed up for May NorCal Shelby at my “home track” — Thunderhill.


I was wondering if Jay would be the one. Awesome!

I work with a guy that races legend cars and knows Benny, that's why I was wondering. He was actually at Thunder Hill the same day as you and saw the mess first hand.

If I could make it I'd love to come visit and say hi at the Shelby event..........

It will be an awesome day when you get behind the wheel :drive:

:cheers:

[BMR Sales]

No Todd —-

I’m going to put Jay Weir (SpeedTechs hot shoe) in the car..... They built it - for all intents and purposes - since it’s now 100% a brand new car.... Let them get it dialed in and sorted.

I’d like to drive it if I have the strength and mindset.... but not for the first time or two in a competitive setting. So I’ve signed up for May NorCal Shelby at my “home track” — Thunderhill.

Put me in Coach!

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[1965_SS]

Blake and/or Greg.............will you be bringing this car to LS Fest in Vegas????

[GregWeld]

I was wondering if Jay would be the one. Awesome!



I work with a guy that races legend cars and knows Benny, that's why I was wondering. He was actually at Thunder Hill the same day as you and saw the mess first hand.



If I could make it I'd love to come visit and say hi at the Shelby event..........



It will be an awesome day when you get behind the wheel :drive:



:cheers:



That would be awesome if you could be there.

My health is a little bit “sideways” right now.... so that’s why I need someone fast to do the setup etc.

And to say the NASA weekend was a mess is an understatement! Ya just had to be there to really appreciate what went on. OMG.....

Lawns will be mowed!!!







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[GregWeld]

Put me in Coach!



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Good pic TC !!!



If only you were closer!!


If I live long enough to do my world tour with the car.... you’ll get your chance!


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[Tinker]

If I live long enough to do my world tour with the car.... you’ll get your chance!


I don't believe I'm the only one to say I hope and believe you will Gregg!

[GregWeld]

I don't believe I'm the only one to say I hope and believe you will Gregg!

I’m trying!!

[Spiffav8]

I’m trying!!

Don't try....DO!!

[gofastwclass]

Don't try....DO!!

Agreed!

[Blake Foster]

Will have the car running today, Dyno tomorrow

[waynieZ]

SWEET! Getting exciting now!!! Lets see those numbers.

[SSLance]

I just want to see video of it making heat, putting down power steadily...without puking fluids all over and over heating...

[Blake Foster]

I just want to see video of it making heat, putting down power steadily...without puking fluids all over and over heating...

I bet you are not the only one!!!

[LS7 Z/28]

We need photos. Lots of Photos.

[GregWeld]

Let me leave you with this.


Most might remember that door used to hang half inch below the rear fender....

Not anymore!!!




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[GregWeld]

The taillights are actually installed with something other than a hanging chad....




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[SSLance]

Yes!!

[Cuttingedge]

Can’t wait to see the rest! Looking stellar

[gerno]

Is that even the same car???

[GregWeld]

Is that even the same car???



Not anymore Steve!!

What was completely redone??

All the Wiring
Motor
Exhaust
Control arms
Oiling system
Plumbing
Coolers that weren’t on anything
Serpentine belt system
Body
Hood
Pedals remounted
Radiator remounted
Power steering pump and cooler
Close out panels
Wheel tubs
Front wheel wells/tubs

[gofastwclass]

...so what is the same? The owner! :D

I'm glad the SpeedTech guys are getting this done properly for you Greg. I'm excited for you.

[DBasher]

Lovin the SpeedTech colors! Really looking forward to seeing this thing make more then a lap or two.

This is the way it should have been from the beginning, nice work SpeedTech!

[Tony V]

can't wait to see this on the track in action....thx for sharing your journey Greg!

[kwhizz]

Let me leave you with this.


Most might remember that door used to hang half inch below the rear fender....

Not anymore!!!




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Talk about being "picky"...……. LOL

[Boosted Falcon]

Thanks for the teasers Greg, looking forward to seeing the refinished product.

[Goosesdad]

Awesome. Appreciate the well played tease.

[Panteracer]

Gregg,
Hopefully it isn't too nice.. then it may be just
another show car the owner will not want to run
We all see those cars:)

I like you got rid of the yellow color.. was just my not my favorite

Looks great

Bob

[69hugger]

[QUOTE=GregWeld;690624]Let me leave you with this.


Most might remember that door used to hang half inch below the rear fender....

Not anymore!!!



You missed the point of the misalignment. That was aero. All part of the sauce! 😁

[Che70velle]

[QUOTE=GregWeld;690624]Let me leave you with this.


Most might remember that door used to hang half inch below the rear fender....

Not anymore!!!



You missed the point of the misalignment. That was aero. All part of the sauce! 😁

Well said. All part of the sauce...
Greg, this is just freakin awesome that SpeedTech jumped on this and got it ready for you (meaning rebuilt the car) this fast. I am stoked for you sir! Now give us more than a tease pic...

[Flash68]

Those SpeedTechers just killin it! Amazing what a real shop with good hosers can put together!

Let 'er rip!

[GregWeld]

fkGoeDwhxrg

[bulldog19]

Cool Paint scheme!

[Blake Foster]

Those SpeedTechers just killin it! Amazing what a real shop with good hosers can put together!

Let 'er rip!

EH! Take OFF EH!

[GEARBOXGARAGE]

Looking great Greg! Gonna be kicking asphalt in no time.

[gofastwclass]

Looks like attack mode is just about ready. :D

[WSSix]

Sounds great and looks great, too.

[clill]

Sounds quiet enough to make sound at west coast tracks ..:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Sounds quiet enough to make sound at west coast tracks ..:thumbsup:

The beauty of band clamps —- you can change out to a longer/quieter muffler pretty darn quickly.....

[clill]

You can say that again...…..oh wait......never mind.

[Boosted Falcon]

Looks and sounds great, when the car goes on it world tour I hope you swing by NCM Motorsports Park in Bowling Green, KY and show it off.

[bkswede]

Sounds great... can you post up dyno sheet? Curious what it made to the wheels...


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[214Chevy]

Okay, I'll ask. How jealous do y'all think Ron Sutton is right now as he lurks :goggles: in this thread and sees the car getting its due diligence and what it rightfully deserves? This car is super nice right now and I'm sure he feels like this....:buttkick: or this :bitchslap: or this :twak:. I mean, I just saying. :lmao::lmao:

[rixtrix1]

Car is finally looking and sounding great!

[raustinss]

Okay, I'll ask. How jealous do y'all think Ron Sutton is right now as he lurks :goggles: in this thread and sees the car getting its due diligence and what it rightfully deserves? This car is super nice right now and I'm sure he feels like this....:buttkick: or this :bitchslap: or this :twak:. I mean, I just saying. :lmao::lmao:

That fool will say "well we didnt have time to fix everything"

[Che70velle]

That fool will say "well we didnt have time to fix everything"

Agreed. Ron mentioned the “timeline” more than once, and referred to it when called out on the mess he made. As a business owner myself, if I can’t make a deadline, I walk away up front. Not gonna risk my reputation for an extra dollar. Reputation is everything in any business. Mark it up with too much negativity and you have no business. Simple concept really...

[GregWeld]

Well — Jimi Day graciously allowed us to put the car on track at the end of their event today at USCA Las Vegas.....

This was not an effort to make lap times - it was just a lucky “get a couple laps” to see if the cooling system changes “work” (the same exact C&R radiator that Sutton blamed for the cooling issues) — and oiling system (same exact A.R.E dry sump but with the proper sized tank - and plumbed CORRECTLY) would work etc.....

So Speedtech (Jay Weir) took it out for 4 laps — a couple laps to warm up - get some heat in the tires - and let Jay actually drive a car he’s only just sat in....

3rd lap he did a 1:48 — only posting that because people will ask.

The shocks (JRi’s) will now come off and be shipeed to JJ Furillo for the very last undoing of the Ron Sutton sour sauce to be removed....



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[AMSOILGUY]

So sweet!

[DBasher]

Hells yes!

[214Chevy]

Greg, it didn't even puke all over the track either while being tried and tested. Hmmmmm! I wonder what the difference is between the before....Sutton built and the after...Speedtech built. Can't quite place my finger on it, but something's surely different about the car.:EmoteClueless:

[gofastwclass]

WAY cool!
I saw one small flaw with the video... it's only 18 seconds long. I even turned up the sound and everything. :(

[Blake Foster]

I think we got some good Vbox video we will get sorted out and posted ASAP.
also some good quality camera video from on top of the trailer, that we will post hang tight

The car did Exactly what it was supposed to. the tire break in procedure is a bit involved to get them right. 5 extra PSI moderate warm up lap with 10 second a lap decreases in lap time. so between that and Jay not ever driving the car on track previous, it was good temp stayed at 205 oil pressure was good. the Autometer dash needs some programming for sure.

It sure sounds good coming down the front straight rowing gears and the instant gear change............ is probably worth the price of admission!!

Talked to JJ and we will send him the shocks this week to dyno so we have a good idea of where we are. do some set up with shocks and springs and try it again.

We may look at some vents in the fenders behind the front tires to try and pull more heat out of the engine bay, we did not have the full belly pan on the car as it needed to be redone

[Sieg]

we did not have the full belly catch can on the car as it is no longer needed
Fixed it for ya. :D

Nice project save Blake :thumbsup:

Poor Jay, surely he'll be spoiled for life by that sequential box once testing is complete.

[fleet]

Lotta winning in #WeldNationStrong right now. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Lotta winning in #WeldNationStrong right now. :thumbsup:



I’m really just happy I lived long enough to see it all!!!

[woehrle#71]

It looks much nicer and sounds great from what I remember at Thunderhill last year. Tom

[NOPANTS68]

Whew that car just sounds crispy. Love it! Nice job team! I'm jealous Greg lol

[DBasher]

Am I seeing a new hood with a huge hole for cooling?

[98ssnova]

That's awesome!

[Blake Foster]

Am I seeing a new hood with a huge hole for cooling?

yes that is correct

[GregWeld]

You ain’t seen nuttin’ honey —— wait til you see the beauty Speedtech Performance cranked out.....




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[GregWeld]

Thank you COLE REYNOLDS for taking these bad ass pics!!





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[GregWeld]

What hole in the hood??? Oh!! Wait!! You mean you need to let air FLOW thru the radiator...... Guess that wasn’t taught in Suspensions 101......





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[GregWeld]

And a closer upper picturator......





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[214Chevy]

That thing is one of beauty!! Blake and the team at Speedtech, you all outdid yourselves with this one. I also love the digital print scheme going on in the black colors on the car. Congrats Greg!!

[ur-n-8]

Looks great. 👍

[jarhead]

What hole in the hood??? Oh!! Wait!! You mean you need to let air FLOW thru the radiator...... Guess that wasn’t taught in Suspensions 101


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[Stuart Adams]

Boy what resurrection. Looks great.
Glad it came together.
No sauce needed.

[syborg tt]

Man does it look and sound great. I’m happy you guys got it all back together correctly.


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[Boosted Falcon]

WOW the car looks awesome.

[Nlped47]

Killer car...finally.


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[Flash68]

Killer car...finally.


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It was a killer car before..... likely to kill the driver sooner or later. :badidea:

[sebtarta]

And a closer upper picturator......





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Car look fantastic!!! The right screw in air cooling outlet is loose though.

[GregWeld]

Car look fantastic!!! The right screw in air cooling outlet is loose though.

Yes —- we knew that.... and fixed — but you take a pic when you think about it... LOL

DZUS fasteners FTW....

[GregWeld]

it was a killer car before..... Likely to kill the driver sooner or later. :badidea:



flat out fact — sutton is lucky he isn’t in a lawsuit for wrongful death

[ilikeike]

Thats a pretty sic looking race car, hope it makes some of the stress from the past drama fade away...

will they will let you drive it ?
:lol:

[Flash68]

will they will let you drive it ?
:lol:

:lol:

[GregWeld]

Thats a pretty sic looking race car, hope it makes some of the stress from the past drama fade away...

will they will let you drive it ?
:lol:

:lol:



That’s a very valid question!!!

[akrapovic]

Wow. Car looks and sounds great! I'm guessing you answered this in a previous post but what made you give the previous builder a shot?

[WSSix]

Congrats to all involved! The car sounds great and look great. Good luck with all the testing and tuning coming up.

[GregWeld]

Wow. Car looks and sounds great! I'm guessing you answered this in a previous post but what made you give the previous builder a shot?

I’m not sure I understand your question. Speedtech Performance wasn’t the “previous builder” — they were my original choice to build the car - as they were listed as one of three builders in the catalog.... but Sutton was offering so little $$ to do the work and they weren’t willing to do it for that — and frankly — more importantly they didn’t have the time at that time.....

I don’t think Sutton EVER wanted anyone other than HIS chosen builder (his buddy Randy at One Off Customs)..... and purposely lowballed the amount he was willing to pay a real shop — knowing they’d turn it down.

I’ve been friends with Speedtech (Blake - Jay and Roger) for a very long time... I know them - I trust them - they do great work - they’re racers - fabricators - car builders - and gearheads. I knew they could fix the pile of crap that Sutton had built - so BINGO - that’s where the car went.

Hope that answers the question?

[GregWeld]

This was nothing more than 4 laps — thank you OPTIMA — to see if the car will run and turn - Jay Weir was short shifting and just generally breaking in the Hoosiers and seeing if brakes work etc. So super slow and careful — but still fun to see and hear the reborn POS.



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[fleet]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

“Beauty from ashes”

[akrapovic]

Your post answered my question. I have several parts from speedtech and found them to be excellent. I had never heard of sutton. Glad to hear the car went to a qualified builder.

I’m not sure I understand your question. Speedtech Performance wasn’t the “previous builder” — they were my original choice to build the car - as they were listed as one of three builders in the catalog.... but Sutton was offering so little $$ to do the work and they weren’t willing to do it for that — and frankly — more importantly they didn’t have the time at that time.....

I don’t think Sutton EVER wanted anyone other than HIS chosen builder (his buddy Randy at One Off Customs)..... and purposely lowballed the amount he was willing to pay a real shop — knowing they’d turn it down.

I’ve been friends with Speedtech (Blake - Jay and Roger) for a very long time... I know them - I trust them - they do great work - they’re racers - fabricators - car builders - and gearheads. I knew they could fix the pile of crap that Sutton had built - so BINGO - that’s where the car went.

Hope that answers the question?

[ur-n-8]

I know nothing about sequential gear box's. So does it blip the throttle when down shifting or does it just go in? From the sound in the video I can't tell.

[GregWeld]

I know nothing about sequential gear box's. So does it blip the throttle when down shifting or does it just go in? From the sound in the video I can't tell.



There is programmable “auto blip” — in the Holley system — or you can add (as we did) the auto blip box (easier). In fact — after the test drive - we discussed the auto blip needs to be “more” — and that’s all just programming.

Mostly what you’re trying to accomplish is to “unload” the gearbox..... Same thing I do with my Jerico in the ‘65 - it’s just a momentary “lift” of the throttle... to unload it and she slides right in. It’s a super fast movement and doesn’t involve the clutch at all on upshifts.... but with a Jerico, I do heel and toe and use the clutch on downshifts. Some guys don’t but I found it upset the car (probably crappy driving on my part) so I use the clutch.

[TimeWarpF100]

Well — Jimi Day graciously allowed us to put the car on track at the end of their event today at USCA Las Vegas.....

This was not an effort to make lap times - it was just a lucky “get a couple laps” to see if the cooling system changes “work” (the same exact C&R radiator that Sutton blamed for the cooling issues) — and oiling system (same exact A.R.E dry sump but with the proper sized tank - and plumbed CORRECTLY) would work etc.....

So Speedtech (Jay Weir) took it out for 4 laps — a couple laps to warm up - get some heat in the tires - and let Jay actually drive a car he’s only just sat in....

3rd lap he did a 1:48 — only posting that because people will ask.

The shocks (JRi’s) will now come off and be shipeed to JJ Furillo for the very last undoing of the Ron Sutton sour sauce to be removed....



VopBeA1EMKo

Looks and sounds fantastic!

[TheJDMan]

There is programmable “auto blip” — in the Holley system — or you can add (as we did) the auto blip box (easier). In fact — after the test drive - we discussed the auto blip needs to be “more” — and that’s all just programming.

Mostly what you’re trying to accomplish is to “unload” the gearbox..... Same thing I do with my Jerico in the ‘65 - it’s just a momentary “lift” of the throttle... to unload it and she slides right in. It’s a super fast movement and doesn’t involve the clutch at all on upshifts.... but with a Jerico, I do heel and toe and use the clutch on downshifts. Some guys don’t but I found it upset the car (probably crappy driving on my part) so I use the clutch.


Greg,
Can you give a bit more information on the "auto blip box" is that a separate add on device? Is that the one sold by Tractive Technology out of Phoenix?

[gofastwclass]

Thanks for the video Greg and Blake.

[CJD Automotive]

Greg,
Can you give a bit more information on the "auto blip box" is that a separate add on device? Is that the one sold by Tractive Technology out of Phoenix?

It's using a Xineering box, http://www.xineering.com.

Another example of Sutton having no clue what he was doing and simply spending Greg's money, because he could.
It's an excellent system, but not necessary as the Holley Dominator can be programmed to do the same thing...they just didn't know how.

[Blake Foster]

It's using a Xineering box, http://www.xineering.com.

Another example of Sutton having no clue what he was doing and simply spending Greg's money, because he could.
It's an excellent system, but not necessary as the Holley Dominator can be programmed to do the same thing...they just didn't know how.

Just to add to this, yes the Holley CAN be programmed to do the job. BUT we had Brian Macy here for the dyno and it is not possible to cut the ignition power to the coils on the Holley (his words), apparently. You would need to do it with timing or the throttle blade. which is not as fast. We discussed using the blip module in conjunction with the Holley to make the engine smoother especially on the down shift as it does really need to have the fuel trimmed down at that point to reduce the backfire and popping. Brian felt the blip box is the best option.

The blip box is adjustable, Taking to David from PPG tranmissions (who build the T56) you can adjust the time delay both up and down shift and that is something we did not mess with yet, we have the newest software version and are looking at it and what it can do. there are 3 different systems that all need to work together the Holley the Autometer dash and the Blip Box. so it will take some time and laps to get it all in sync for sure.

We added alot of accessories to the car engine transmission and diff coolers all with thermostats. the engine uses a inline manual stat and the trans and diff have temp senders in them that switch on a Tilton circ pump to pump it to the coolers. no need to circ it 100% of the time, that is all controlled by the Holley the power steering cooler is just in line and 100%

We will have another track /day practice /set up and will likely have Brian and Max (from Xineering) as he has offered to come and help with the set up, it is a team effort to get all the systems operating at their peak.

Hope that explains a couple things

[GregWeld]

It's using a Xineering box, http://www.xineering.com.

Another example of Sutton having no clue what he was doing and simply spending Greg's money, because he could.
It's an excellent system, but not necessary as the Holley Dominator can be programmed to do the same thing...they just didn't know how.



Actually — in Sutton’s defense — he didn’t make every choice in a vacuum. We had discussed the auto blip function and as many things - there’s more than one way to get a job done — We chose the box based function because it’s effective “time wise” - vs doing all the tuning required to get it just right in the Dominator system. The box is effective and relatively simple....

These cars today begin to get “electronically” complicated.... how many guys know the Dominator tuning - now add shift boxes - now add V-Box system - and the dashboards used today. We were trying to do “simple” - simple means “easy to learn and adjust” without the need of flying in people - and the track time to develope etc.

[Panteracer]

I remember talking to Jeff Foster a few years back
(he drives a very bad ass Cobra).. they were trying out
a new porsche with the new sequential trans
He told me it was like cheating.... he was messing
with it at the starting line of an autocross and it was in
4th gear... the brains of the car automatically put it
down in 1st and he was off.. it did it so fast he didn't
lose any time.. but Porsche has a lot of testing etc
in their cars.

I changed the cam in my 47 year Old Pantera because
the GT3's were starting to pull me down the straight
all because of the new sequentials

You can pick up a new Gt2 RS at the bottom of the
ocean where that ship went down:)

Dirt Missile is really looking great nowadays


Bob

[Spiffav8]

Glad things are coming together and that the "dialing in" continues. It was a lot of fun to watch Jay run the car and the crew at Speedtech have done a great job. Looking forward to seeing more.

:popcorn2:

[rixtrix1]

Car looks great and and the track vids show Speedtech did a wonderful job recreating this beast

[jlwdvm]

Are you using a fire suppression system?

[GregWeld]

Are you using a fire suppression system?



I was going to leave that out and hope the old car burnt to the ground..... but yes — LOL — there’s a full fire suppression system in the car.

[jlwdvm]

I was wondering where they placed the nozzles?

[BMR Sales]

"Special" Nozzles or ones that work?

[GregWeld]

I was wondering where they placed the nozzles?



Typically there would be one (or more) in the engine bay — and one on the firewall inside the car - and one at the fuel cell.

Remember that these systems really aren’t made to put out a fire — they’re installed to buy the driver time to escape....

[gofastwclass]

The insurance policy you obviously hope to never need.

[69hugger]

Better check the bottle. It may be filled with “sauce”!🙄

[214Chevy]

Better check the bottle. It may be filled with “sauce”!🙄

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[GregWeld]

Better check the bottle. It may be filled with “sauce”!🙄



More likely overfilled with BULLS**T !!

[Blake Foster]

Little update
we removed the JRI shocks and sent them to JJ at Ultimate Performance for him to dyno them so he knows what he is dealing with and then we can do some more set up on the car and decide on spring rates and such.

Next up will need to be another Track test day.

Side Note if you are interested in seeing the car we will have it at LS fest. unfortunately we will not be able to run it.

[DBasher]

Blake, great job on getting this pos fixed up, cleaned up and back on track. From what I’ve seen and heard y’all have done an outstanding job.

Maybe I missed it or was never mentioned on here but what was done with the rear suspension? I know like most everything else there were some concerns with the original set up, just curious.

:flag2::cheers:

[GregWeld]

Blake, great job on getting this pos fixed up, cleaned up and back on track. From what I’ve seen and heard y’all have done an outstanding job.

Maybe I missed it or was never mentioned on here but what was done with the rear suspension? I know like most everything else there were some concerns with the original set up, just curious.

:flag2::cheers:


Anything wiz bang optimized sauce from Sutton was cut out - trashed - or otherwise done away with.....

Therefore — the decoupled weak sauce rear end suspension was completely removed. It’s now a tried and true simple 3 link.

Anyone that has attempted to use this decoupled crap from Sutton has had to reengineer it..... his spring rates were wrong - his connections were weak - and on top of that - there was never any reason to go this route to start with — with the one exception — it kept you in his camp and made you dependent on him for what the heck he sold you.

[Vegas69]

From the outside looking in, when someone has that much to say and makes it
That complicated, the sirens better be going off. The analogy, “smoke and mirrors” comes to mind.

[GregWeld]

from the outside looking in, when someone has that much to say and makes it
that complicated, the sirens better be going off. The analogy, “smoke and mirrors” comes to mind.

fact

[gerno]

Is it possible to explain the difference in how JJ is setting up the shocks to perform vs what Ron had done? JJ obviously knows his stuff, I'd like to hear what a shock expert says a shock should be doing for you on a track throughout a corner. I believe Ron stated he used shocks to "tie the car down" in corners to set the car for proper roll center .. is this not correct?

[ur-n-8]

No expert here, but wouldn’t “tied down” imply a lot of rebound?

[mfain]

Is it possible to explain the difference in how JJ is setting up the shocks to perform vs what Ron had done? JJ obviously knows his stuff, I'd like to hear what a shock expert says a shock should be doing for you on a track throughout a corner. I believe Ron stated he used shocks to "tie the car down" in corners to set the car for proper roll center .. is this not correct?

When a car has a "high travel" front suspension that has a lot of caster gain with compression, then the desire is to set and hold the compressed condition in order to get the benefits of both the improved dynamic camber when the wheels are turned (increased negative camber on the outside, increased positive camber on the inside tire) and to hold the roll center at the pre-established optimum dynamic value. In order to hold the compression, the shocks are valved to hold the nose down from braking just prior to turn-in to roughly the apex when you start to unwind the steering wheel and apply throttle. NASCAR used this early on with their soft spring/big bar set-ups, but when the minimum ride height rule was relaxed, they just went to setting the car at the compressed height (splitter almost on the ground) and let the shock bump stops hold the nose off the track. Cars with stiff spring rates, lots of body roll, limited front end travel, and/or that don't have geometry that adds a lot of caster with travel benefit less from shocks that pin the nose down.

Pappy

[GregWeld]

Is it possible to explain the difference in how JJ is setting up the shocks to perform vs what Ron had done? JJ obviously knows his stuff, I'd like to hear what a shock expert says a shock should be doing for you on a track throughout a corner. I believe Ron stated he used shocks to "tie the car down" in corners to set the car for proper roll center .. is this not correct?



Good question Steve......


Here’s what I know for fact..... Relampagos and Cuthbertson (to name just two guys) scrapped the secret BS sauce for JJ’s set up and both go much faster now and like their cars better....

Other people I know in the biz have stated “we revalved 3/4’s of the Sutton spec’d shocks”.

So with that info — we took the JRi’s off and we’ll have a look at what the valving is.

[Panteracer]

Every time my buddies and I would get a new dirt bike
we pull the forks and shock and bring them to a local
guy that would revolve and tweak them. Answer a few questions
and he would do his magic work. I rarely would have to play
with any of the clickers. Not that easy with my cars
Maybe too many shocks to deal with

Bob

[SSLance]

I have the shock dyno sheets for both the Sutton spec'd and Smitty spec'd valving now in my shocks. For me, it wasn't as much about taking rebound out as it was about adding compression. To my knowledge, Ron has never even ridden in a car on an autocross course and I now believe he really doesn't understand just how much force we put on these suspensions and how fast it happens.

Having rebound is good as you do need to tie the suspension down for a set amount of time, but more importantly for my case is compression as we need to slow down the way the front compresses so it doesn't slam at the bottom and shock the street tires causing loss of grip.

Ron used to tell me to soften front compression when I'd tell him it was pushing because he thought the front wasn't traveling enough, when in reality the push was from the suspension bottoming out and shocking the front tires.

Chris watched me run on course 1 time and immediately had me go full stiff on low and high speed compression on Ron's shocks and it helped tremendously. The shocks got sent back to Ridetech the next week for revalving.

[gerno]

Thanks Lance, that makes a lot of sense

[GregWeld]

So —- while I keep saying “the last of the Sutton Secret S****t” is gone....

THE SAGA CONTINUES!!


The JRi shocks were sent to JJ Furillo — for full dyno testing and examination - recommendations - rebuilding.....

Yes —- once again there was virtually NOTHING correct. Wrong gas pressure — wrong valving —— missing pieces —- both rears had completely different adjustments set.... WTF —- he pitched himself as “mister shock absorber” (my quotes).

After Jay running the car at LVMS —- he expressed a lack of confidence in the brakes... so after consultation with Stoptech —- their recommendation was about the complete opposite of “mister Stoptech brake man” (my quotes). The car had 30’s in front and 33’s rear —- Stoptech recommends 34’s Front and keep the 33’s in the rear....

PERHAPS THIS IS FINALLY THE LAST — but NO ——— the master cylinder bore may also have to be changed.... but we’ll wait until Jay runs the car with the Sutton spec on the 20th at LVMS.....

SO —- MY POINT??? MY point is — if you have ANYTHING THAT IS SUTTON SPEC — get a second or third opinion on what it is.....

[raustinss]

Bought a used "sutton " aka Detroit speed sway bar off another member... glad it hasnt got any sauce on it

[Flash68]

Bought a used "sutton " aka Detroit speed sway bar off another member... glad it hasnt got any sauce on it

Sutton has nothing to do with Detroit Speed -- which I think you know -- but just so everyone reading is clear on that.

[Tinker]

SO —- MY POINT??? MY point is — if you have ANYTHING THAT IS SUTTON SPEC — get a second or third opinion on what it is.....

Gregg, this is troubling for many of us. When we thought we did our due diligence choosing the correct (and not cheapest either) parts, many of us are now unsure of everything.
I hesitate to ask, or post names of companies involved with Ron, but should I assume that all my parts including a arms, brakes, shocks,rear end, ,that were drop shipped from (in my case) Ridetech, Wilwood, and speedway, while possibly not the best specs, that they are matched and assembled correctly?
Even after I just typed this in it sounds ridiculous, but many out there are probably wondering the same.

[SSLance]

I feel bad for Greg on this deal, when one buys a high dollar catalog car...the expectation is that it will come with all matched specs and this one clearly didn't.

I have put probably 8-10 different Sutton spec'd setups under my car over the past 5 years and about 75% of them were neutral balanced out of the box. A few of them totally missed the mark though. We put a new front bar/rear spring setup under the car before my first SCCA Nationals trip in 2014 and the car was basically undrivable on course. After the first day my friends and I came up with a solution in paddock, swapped out the rear springs and a day later I brought home a third place trophy.

What I learned more than anything thru all of this was how to diagnose what the car is doing on my own and come up with tuning solutions to solve issues it has. Spring and bar adjustments, shock adjustments, brake bias adjustments...when you are closer to the pointy end of the stick, the guy or gal behind the wheel needs to be able to feel what the car is doing and where...then be able to adjust the car to the current situation.

To expect a person behind a computer screen States away from you to spec a package out and be perfect every time...is a mistake. Hard parts from reputable manufacturers are golden, no issues with any of them. Deciding which adjustments to make on those parts for a balanced setup....that should be on the owner/driver/crew chief.

I will add this about Sutton as well, when I found something that worked better for me than what he prescribed, he was always cool about it. Never did he give me the " I'm right you are wrong, that won't work" bit that I have seen from other people in the industry. This let me to grow as a tuner myself which in the end should be what anyone else doing this should strive for as well.

Hope that made sense...I'm not trying to defend anything Ron did as much as I'm just saying if you really want something done right, do it yourself.

[GregWeld]

I'm just saying if you really want something done OVER, do it yourself.

Fixed it for ya.

Sorry but you missed the mark by a mile.

My posts have not been about the “oops! Missed that one”..... My posts are for HEADS UP —- just because a part is spec’d doesn’t make it the absolute right one — or even near the right thing.... and if people ordered parts and pieces from this guy —- they might just want to double check what they got.

I’ve said it 1000 times here —- the work he did on my ‘65 Mustang was magic.... turned a POS car in to a really fun car to track....

My warnings on the DM build is this ——— NOTHING SO FAR HAS BEEN RIGHT. Many have found themselves in this same boat.... not just me.

And — by the way — do it yourself — is, of course, the way many or most do things around here — but they still would have consulted or engaged “professional advice” — from the manufacturer - supplier - fellow racer - fellow builder — because you have to start SOMEWHERE.... then modify and change set up etc.

There’s a difference between an oops — and incompetence.

[CJD Automotive]

To expect a person behind a computer screen States away from you to spec a package out and be perfect every time...is a mistake.

Unfortunately, that was HIS sales pitch and his reasoning behind charging so much.

I think the more apt way to put it, would be, "You can't expect a person who has only drawn up a suspension package, then had someone else make it, and never once tested or verified anything he designed, to work out of the box."

The mistake was those of us assuming he had.

[GregWeld]

Unfortunately, that was HIS sales pitch and his reasoning behind charging so much.

I think the more apt way to put it, would be, "You can't expect a person who has only drawn up a suspension package, then had someone else make it, and never once tested or verified anything he designed, to work out of the box."

The mistake was those of us assuming he had.

Remember his catalog states —- he’s built 200 race cars. His later posts reveal #1 “I didn’t build this car” and #2 Nothing he had anything to do with was wrong — it was all those silly manufacturers fault. We all know exactly who spec’d out the parts and oversaw the build from day one. He was also very happy to cash the checks.

[Flash68]

Never did he give me the " I'm right you are wrong, that won't work" bit that I have seen from other people in the industry.

Funny, you may be the only one. He has said that countless times to many knowledgeable & talented guys - car builders, shop owners, etc.

God he was/is a douche nozzle. :bigun2:

[SSLance]

Sorry but you missed the mark by a mile.




Eh, you know me Greg... I'm sure we feel pretty much the same about how all of this has gone down.

I just did a poor job of making my point this morning. I blame lack of coffee. :D

[GregWeld]

Funny, you may be the only one. He has said that countless times to many knowledgeable & talented guys - car builders, shop owners, etc.

God he was/is a douche nozzle. :bigun2:




In complete retrospect —— he prayed on the Freshman class...... and you think about that for a moment —- none of the fast guys or guys that have been around awhile used him for ANYTHING.... and most of them have since come to me and said flat out — we never could figure out why you used him.....

Because — I didn’t know any better.

[GregWeld]

Eh, you know me Greg... I'm sure we feel pretty much the same about how all of this has gone down.

I just did a poor job of making my point this morning. I blame lack of coffee. :D



I know what you meant — but nobody else reading it would have.....


I wouldn’t have nearly the “issues” with things being wrong — if they were just that — a little wrong - a choice vs a WTF is that doing in there sort of thing.... shock settings are subjective - how you get to the same point in handling is subjective — big bar soft springs — blah blah blah...... What we have discovered is that the living legend he thinks he is —- is not so legendary..... in fact - quite the opposite. A legend in his own mind. A completely made up history.... omitting the real and correct facts of his career and how his teams were run and all of it.....

Different specs are not what we’re finding here —— we’re finding complete and utter incompetence..... unsafe at any speed..... dangerously built and constructed.... topped off with ruinous information....

People find it so hard to comprehend —- and separate what they thought and the fact —- like this —- the motor was mechanically fine even after tear down —- what ruined the motor was the tune up — HIS GUY — HIS tune up..... It was his refusal to change the valve covers when he was told they didn’t work with the valve train — he was TOLD THIS and didn’t make the correct call —- on a $30,000 motor..... I don’t care that I have JRi triples —- they were valved wrong - gas pressures were wrong - they were missing parts - and had completely different settings from each other.... By the way folks — that might be fine in an all left hand course.... but we turn both ways from time to time.... LOL

Brake pad numbers being different — big whoop — that is just to be discovered in test and tune.... and changed as needed.... That’s not what I’m talking about at all.

Here’s what I do like though!!!! The car won it’s first weekend out — against a nothing field so big whoop..... but it ran Thunderhill backwards and without a single tuning change to anything due to all the mopping in aisle 3..... no data was garnered - tire wise - brake bias wise — shock adjustment or bar adjustment - and run the track the right way (clockwise) etc..... and it ran a 1:54

Now I’m wondering — with a far better motor/tuneup — shocks done differently - brakes “better?” - ditched the stupid de-coupled Barbie doll parts.... electrical squared away... heating working and oiling working as they should have..... Now what does it have in it???

[bdahlg68]

..... Now what does it have in it???

Welp - there is only one way to find out! :drive:

[GregWeld]

Welp - there is only one way to find out! :drive:



They’re prepping her for Saturday!!!






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[clill]

The yellow car was not a POS. You were still learning to drive.....:warning:

[LS7 Z/28]

PERHAPS THIS IS FINALLY THE LAST — but NO ——— the master cylinder bore may also have to be changed.... but we’ll wait until Jay runs the car with the Sutton spec on the 20th at LVMS.....

If you guys do end up changing the bore size, I’d love to know what you change to, as I’ve got the same calipers and likely the same size masters, since the bore sizes were suggested by Ron. The car is a ways from running, so it would help to change them and hopefully be closer to being correct right out of the box. Thanks for the tip on the pads as well. Hope you’re doing well Greg.

[jarhead]

I read allot of his (RS) posts when trying to figure out what to use on my rear suspension. He had me believing what he wrote.

OMG I am so glad I found Jay Weir. He explained to me, asked for measurements, sent information, called me, etc.

Although I haven't ordered my Speedtech stuff yet, I am so close I can taste it.

:ups:

I may even be done before FE Rob :sarcasm_smiley:

[Flash68]

I may even be done before FE Rob :sarcasm_smiley:

:lol:

Gitter dun Joe!

[GregWeld]

The yellow car was not a POS. You were still learning to drive.....:warning:


I’d call frozen leaf spring bushings - cracked ball joints - cracked rotors.... shocks that were completely shot (you could NOT extend one shock at all - you could with all your might - extend it an inch or so and then it would literally snap retract)..... So yeah, kind of a POS in the suspension department. Nothing to not be expected in a well used track car — but not conducive to great handling either.

[clill]

It's called "maintenance"

[GregWeld]

It's called "maintenance"

Yes — the kind that was lacking.....:lmao:

[FETorino]

:ups:

I may even be done before FE Rob :sarcasm_smiley:

You’re a Marine Joe. You should set the bar higher than that. :action-smiley-027:

[DBasher]

Two things. One, OY had some worn out suspension components, I know because I have/had them. And B, RS is a crooked POS.

Honestly if OY was updated with some Mike Maier Inc components with some JJ prepped JRI’s it would have been equally as good if not better. IMO

[GregWeld]

It's called "maintenance"

Yes — the kind that was lacking.....:lmao:


By the way - - to be clear - - I was not bagging on Charley or the car....

By the time I bought it - it was already a 10 year old track car - it’s now 20 year old track car.... guess what.... stuff on track cars wears out - breaks - squeaks - needs updating and needs lots of maintenance.... You won’t necessarily know what that is - unless you’re disassembling and checking - and looking for potential problems.... That’s what we did at the NASCAR shop... LOOKED for problems. We found plenty —- as was expected! The car was updated and it was a massive improvement. Big deal. That IS what we do around here.

[Flash68]

^^ Sounds like a very professional operation.

[GregWeld]

^^ Sounds like a very professional operation.

I think the only reason it was done and done right - was because of the shop! These were top pros that knew what they were doing....

[Panteracer]

If you run your car on the track you need to look
at things as Greg says they do wear out, loosen up,break,
etc. Not sure how many times I was going thru my
basic check the pads, change the oil, new plugs, run
the valves, new air filter etc before I go to the track that
something else was loose or just getting ready to break etc

Your life and others can be effected running at the speeds
you do on a track and things need to be maintained and checked
Hell Nascar only runs a lot of their things one time and discards
it but they are trying to win a title.. no big pay days for us other
than have a safe day at the track

Bob

[GregWeld]

I got a good laugh today —- the car is out being tested and tuned at Las Vegas Motor Speedway — thanks to the talents and GOOD PEOPLE at Speedtech working so hard on this project!

Jay Weir is wheeling — and so far today there’s more laps on the car by NOON than the other idiot could muster in 3 full days at the track.

Everything working as it should — ZERO ISSUES.... A small shock adjustment for mid corner..... tire pressures dialed in — all coolers and pumps working and holding temps right where they should be.

Hey SUTTON you dumbass..... this could have been you. LOL but you blew your wad. What a little putz.


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[raustinss]

Whoa whoa wait a minute .. like not having to return to the pits after each lap .. no oil being sprayed everywhere...?

[Cuttingedge]

But if it’s not spraying oil all over the bottom how are you going to stop it from rusting?

Love seeing this car back on its feet

[GregWeld]

But if it’s not spraying oil all over the bottom how are you going to stop it from rusting?

Love seeing this car back on its feet



Thank you! Me Too!!!

[GregWeld]

Whoa whoa wait a minute .. like not having to return to the pits after each lap .. no oil being sprayed everywhere...?



Can you imagine!!! LOL

No oil anywhere — not overheating — stops — turns — no folding taco arm BS — shocks right - wiring right - plumbing right - all electronics talking and V-Box working.... Wait —- that sounds like Old Yellar!!! LOL

Best of all —- not a single shred of Ron Sutton.... nothing. Nada. Zip. Like the whole car got dipped in bleach.... and then got a brake cleaner enema.

[randy]

If it’s not spraying oil anymore now you are going to have to eventually change the oil instead of adding it to the previous automatic oil changing system

[69hugger]

Can you imagine!!! LOL

No oil anywhere — not overheating — stops — turns — no folding taco arm BS — shocks right - wiring right - plumbing right - all electronics talking and V-Box working.... Wait —- that sounds like Old Yellar!!! LOL

Best of all —- not a single shred of Ron Sutton.... nothing. Nada. Zip. Like the whole car got dipped in bleach.... and then got a brake cleaner enema.

It’s all roses for you lately bro. Good show!

Maybe time for a name change?
How about from Dirt Missile to Scud Missile?

Sutton
Catastrophe
Underwent
De-saucing

Just a suggestion....:idea:

[raustinss]

Omg I love that ..scud missile

[rixtrix1]

Fantastic!

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[GregWeld]

The SCUD rose up from the DIRT

[Sieg]

'70 Boss STR

Speed
Tech
Resurrection

[GregWeld]

Stole this fair and square off Instagram - hope the link works IDK






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[GregWeld]

'70 Boss STR

Speed
Tech
Resurrection

Gotta find a way to make STD work.......



Speed Tech De-sauced


LOL

[Che70velle]

Great to hear some good news about the missle Greg! It sounds strong! Hope to see you behind the wheel soon. Thank you SpeedTech!

[Cuttingedge]

I think it needs a sticker like this on the back window. Sutton on the bottle, and no sauce under it.

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[rixtrix1]

Great video. Car looks and sounds great!

[GregWeld]

So — this test and tune session was first time out where the car could “get going”...... They did a half day (a little more) == and got everything all set up. This was a SpeedVentures track day and for an extra fee we were able to go on and off track “at will”... makes it much nicer to sort all the stuff out. Jay is real happy with the car and they feel they can toss me back the keys and I’ll be happy.....

Mind you this is a Long track version at Las Vegas MS.... and it’s just a track day - but it’s still pretty fun to know the car runs and drives!







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[214Chevy]

Congrats Greggo!! You must be beyond elated.

[GregWeld]

Congrats Greggo!! You must be beyond elated.

I’m just happy that this saga is ending well..... I like to see my projects thru to completion!

[214Chevy]

I’m just happy that this saga is ending well..... I like to see my projects thru to completion!

I definitely understand. This happy ending couldn't have happened to a better guy. I'm sure I speak for many of other guys here of the Lat-g fam when I say how messed up it was when this happened to you. Stuff like this happens a lot, but when it happens to a guy like you, whom we all know to be one of the good guys, it just sucks even more. Glad you and the car got its just due. :flashie::flashie:

[GregWeld]

I just wished I would have done more research EARLY ON.....

The lawsuit is the most telling to me — a bait and switch deception.... BAM! Right there tells you all you need to know about a person. These people are always masters at BS.... and they always fall apart when the BS goes up in smoke.

Since nobody does anything about it — they live to repeat.

[Tinker]

Since nobody does anything about it — they live to repeat.

Well...I think this time is different. He better go into vacuum sales or something else. I don't think anyone in the automotive industry will touch him with a ten foot pole.

[GregWeld]

Well...I think this time is different. He better go into vacuum sales or something else. I don't think anyone in the automotive industry will touch him with a ten foot pole.

Oh he’s right back at it with his super secret sauce closed club on Facebook... He had a whopping 70 members! He’ll do the same thing - he can’t help himself.

[kwhizz]

Sorry to Ramble on here. ...... but what happens is that most people judge other people by our own personal “values”.... so, when you start dealing with someone whose image is that of above average talent to provide a service we either don’t have the ability or the time to do ourselves....... it takes some time for reality to bleed thru our perception of what is happening. Hats off to Greg for painting the true picture of his experience......... Greg, next time we get together I’ll tell you my Story. I’m a graduate also the personal Values School.

Ken

[Blake Foster]

A little update after the test day.

found the Dry sump pump and a slight weep between stage 3 and 4 so we sent it back to ARE to find out why. he has not seen that in the past so he wanted to see it.
talking to Greg's friend Bruce about the Vbox camera system and he suggested using the CANBUS info from the Holley Dominator to give much more info to the vbox display and use it for more tuning!! we also are adding brake pressure input to the Holley/ Vbox so that will display as well, this should be helpful in seeing what is happening on track and could help make for quicker lap times if that is the goal................:confused59:
had time to remake the belly pan parts that were all tore up from Thunderhill.

Interesting tuning observation we had 1.5deg neg camber. in the car tire wear and temp 180 ish was close but we added 1/8 shim to give almost 2 deg. and the inside tire temp went WAY 220 if i recall up and the added wear showed as well. out came the shim may go 1/2 way and add 1/16 shim if we get any more test time on it. But that was very interesting to see a small change make a big difference.

[mfain]

A little update after the test day.

Interesting tuning observation we had 1.5deg neg camber. in the car tire wear and temp 180 ish was close but we added 1/8 shim to give almost 2 deg. and the inside tire temp went WAY 220 if i recall up and the added wear showed as well. out came the shim may go 1/2 way and add 1/16 shim if we get any more test time on it. But that was very interesting to see a small change make a big difference.

Blake, I have run into this before with a lot of dynamic (full compression) caster. If the suspension is set up for a lot of caster gain with travel, then the camber can get way up there when the wheels are turned, adding to the static camber. Just a thought, fwiw.

Edit: When I maxed out the caster (mechanical limit) on my Viper, I had to back the static camber down to -1.8 degrees from -2.6 degrees to make the tire temps happy.

Cheers

Pappy

[rixtrix1]

Nice to see this work out so well!

[GregWeld]

Sorry to Ramble on here. ...... but what happens is that most people judge other people by our own personal “values”.... so, when you start dealing with someone whose image is that of above average talent to provide a service we either don’t have the ability or the time to do ourselves....... it takes some time for reality to bleed thru our perception of what is happening. Hats off to Greg for painting the true picture of his experience......... Greg, next time we get together I’ll tell you my Story. I’m a graduate also the personal Values School.

Ken



What you said is spot on Ken.... and when you toss in the history and what he did for my other track car — it was easy to be “all in”. I’m just happy that my line of credit was still good with Charley so I could get it all fixededededed up again! LOL 😂

[Musclerodz]

A little update after the test day.

found the Dry sump pump and a slight weep between stage 3 and 4 so we sent it back to ARE to find out why. he has not seen that in the past so he wanted to see it.
talking to Greg's friend Bruce about the Vbox camera system and he suggested using the CANBUS info from the Holley Dominator to give much more info to the vbox display and use it for more tuning!! we also are adding brake pressure input to the Holley/ Vbox so that will display as well, this should be helpful in seeing what is happening on track and could help make for quicker lap times if that is the goal................:confused59:
had time to remake the belly pan parts that were all tore up from Thunderhill.

Interesting tuning observation we had 1.5deg neg camber. in the car tire wear and temp 180 ish was close but we added 1/8 shim to give almost 2 deg. and the inside tire temp went WAY 220 if i recall up and the added wear showed as well. out came the shim may go 1/2 way and add 1/16 shim if we get any more test time on it. But that was very interesting to see a small change make a big difference.

.5 degree camber adjustment to me is alot when when you get over 1.0 negative camber. If its a couple tenths off from side to side I can feel the difference on the highway.

[mfain]

What's next for the Missile?

Pappy

[GregWeld]

What's next for the Missile?

Pappy


I have a “surgical procedure” tomorrow at The Mayo to clean my liver stents out — and HOPEFULLY that restores my energy level..... IF (big IF) that works — I’ll be headed to pick it up and try to run it mid May at Thunderhill....

We shall see. It’s anybody’s guess.

That’s why I’m so pissed at Sutton — #1 because he just flat out overstated his abilities.... and knowledge.... and that cost me TIME I don’t have. I felt good last year when it was “finished”.... Now the cancer has progressed a whole year....

[ur-n-8]

Endeavor to persevere. 👍

[214Chevy]

I have a “surgical procedure” tomorrow at The Mayo to clean my liver stents out — and HOPEFULLY that restores my energy level..... IF (big IF) that works — I’ll be headed to pick it up and try to run it mid May at Thunderhill....

We shall see. It’s anybody’s guess.

That’s why I’m so pissed at Sutton — #1 because he just flat out overstated his abilities.... and knowledge.... and that cost me TIME I don’t have. I felt good last year when it was “finished”.... Now the cancer has progressed a whole year....

Car talk is one thing Greg, but more importantly...I pray everything goes well with your medical procedure today. GOD shall cover you with his mercy and everything will be fine.

[GregWeld]

So - thank God I have a daughter (Adrienne) that loves a road trip as much as I do - and also would prefer to drive the dually over a “normal” car.... With Speedtech moving to their new building — I was pretty sure they’d like the DM out of their hair.... So despite me not feeling well - or very energetic.... we hooked up and set out for St George Utah.... Once there we had a nice dinner with Blake and Anita — and the “boys” loaded up “NOT SAUCE” and all it’s parts and pieces.... These guys are GOOD! Seriously! I went to the bathroon — and by the time I came out - everything was packed - strapped and in it’s place.

We set off for Thunderhill Raceway.... where I had two jobs. #1 - move from my little shop - to the new larger version.... and #2 - get “Not Sauce” put away.... #3 was a stop at Charley’s if we had time. Mind you — all these days later and I haven’t driven a single mile.

It’s a three calendar day drive to do all this.... and when I got to Thill —— Dan Basher is waiting for us to arrive! Total surprise to me! That’s a 12 hour drive for him to come down from Seattle.... It was a good - no. Make that GREAT surprise. I had arranged with the track to get me some labor to make all this happen.... and I was dreading that - but it is what it is. A man has to know his limitations.

Well —- Dan and I moved everything! Well - let me make a correct statement — Dan moved 6 to my 1.... and I can’t thank him enough - ever - for making a dreaded move a fun couple days. I’d always prefer to do things with friends!

Now we’re headed home..... with a little “thanks Adrienne! stop in Vegas”.


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[Stuart Adams]

Very cool. Daughter time is awesome.

[andre68]

Nice! Looking good. Can't wait to see the car in person....when do you think you'll be on the track again? Any plans to race in CA at all this summer?

[GregWeld]

Nice! Looking good. Can't wait to see the car in person....when do you think you'll be on the track again? Any plans to race in CA at all this summer?



Good question with no answer. My health has been decidedly “not good” — and right now I’d say that I’ll personally never be behind the wheel of a race car again.

However — I’m talking to several people about driving it.... for several reasons:

#1 — I want to know what I built (had built)

#2 — I’d like to rub Suttons nose in it

#3 — A “race car” isn’t worth much without some kind of pedigree.... Who would buy a car like this and have no idea what kind of laptimes it can turn?? So obviously because of my health situation - the car will undoubtably be for sale at some point. Can you imagine a buyer asking - What does it run — and I say..... “no clue”. So #1 — fixes #3

#4 — I love this stuff and if I can’t drive - I’ll take the alternative - be at a track where my car is running.


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[214Chevy]

#1 — I want to know what I built (had built) and had to have REBUILT!!



There!! Fixed it for you Greggo. :lmao::lmao: This correction essentially leads to #2.

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Sweet that you can get the trailer inside, that's nice.

You missed absolutely nothing at Spring Sprint...was straight up miserable. In addition to the rain I'm going to go on record and say that the club needs some help to survive.

[GregWeld]

Sweet that you can get the trailer inside, that's nice.

You missed absolutely nothing at Spring Sprint...was straight up miserable. In addition to the rain I'm going to go on record and say that the club needs some help to survive.

Totally agree with both statements. Membership is old and getting older — and there are other groups that run a better show.

Basher - me - Rob DIckey all showed up at Sonoma to support Dave running NASA —- I can swear to your MISERABLE WEATHER statement..... just flat out nasty!

[CamaroAJ]

Can you put a passenger seat in the car and at least get a few laps in it that way?

[DBasher]

You’ve got a GREAT daughter and if it weren’t for her I would have gotten a bunch of chores done around the house. She a spittin image of you, way cuter but just as stubborn. I’m glad to call you both friends.

With the shop kinda set up and the lift getting set up this week we’ll need to get everyone together to christen the place. You know I’m in.

[FETorino]

Totally agree with both statements. Membership is old and getting older — and there are other groups that run a better show.

Basher - me - Rob DIckey all showed up at Sonoma to support Dave running NASA —- I can swear to your MISERABLE WEATHER statement..... just flat out nasty!

I’m not sure support is the correct term. The weather did suck for sure.

[FETorino]

Good question with no answer. My health has been decidedly “not good” — and right now I’d say that I’ll personally never be behind the wheel of a race car again.

Shut the Fu(<cancer up. You’ve been in this hole before and came out swinging. You will drive again.



However — I’m talking to several people about driving it.... for several reasons:

#1 — I want to know what I built (had built)

An overpriced track car.



#2 — I’d like to rub Suttons nose in it

He won’t care. In the world he lives in the reality is totally different and he did no wrong. He’ll never get it.


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[GregWeld]

You’ve got a GREAT daughter and if it weren’t for her I would have gotten a bunch of chores done around the house. She a spittin image of you, way cuter but just as stubborn. I’m glad to call you both friends.



With the shop kinda set up and the lift getting set up this week we’ll need to get everyone together to christen the place. You know I’m in.



Yes —- she is a mini me! No doubt about that.

I’m glad the trip kept you from scrubbing floors and doing dishes....

Lift guy just called me — transfer is complete and she’s all set up. Now to get the power dude over there.... or I’ll do it myself next trip.


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[Blake Foster]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

any time my friend!! any time

[GregWeld]

We’re going to run NASA TTU at Sonoma Raceway June 14 (test and tune day) - and the event - June 15/16th......

Dave Gordon hooked me up with a driver.... and lucky me - he also has a shop at Sonoma — and get this - at Thunderhill too! HE’s going to get the car and all the parts needed to run for the weekend... at my shop at Thill — and bring it down for this event — you have no idea how big of a deal that is for me. My health has just gone to ST.....

A bunch of “us” will be there — it’s also Gwen’s Birthday on the 15th... so much wine will be consumed in wine country. 😂

Come out and watch the new girl run!!! It’s only $10 to get in... Find our encampment — we’re going to have a couple motorhomes and staying there at the track... It will most likely be the last time we’ll be able to see each other.

[andre68]

I will be there!!

[rrunner68]

I'll be there as well, I'll be running with you guys and trying to stay out of the way :D

[Blake Foster]

No Pressure!!! :hairpullout::hairpullout:

[Goosesdad]

Flying in Friday morning into Oakland, driving up to the track....if anyone needs a ride.

[Matt@BOS]

We’re going to run NASA TTU at Sonoma Raceway June 14 (test and tune day) - and the event - June 15/16th......

Dave Gordon hooked me up with a driver.... and lucky me - he also has a shop at Sonoma — and get this - at Thunderhill too! HE’s going to get the car and all the parts needed to run for the weekend... at my shop at Thill — and bring it down for this event — you have no idea how big of a deal that is for me. My health has just gone to ST.....

A bunch of “us” will be there — it’s also Gwen’s Birthday on the 15th... so much wine will be consumed in wine country. 😂

Come out and watch the new girl run!!! It’s only $10 to get in... Find our encampment — we’re going to have a couple motorhomes and staying there at the track... It will most likely be the last time we’ll be able to see each other.

Sounds a lot like Sonoma, almost exactly 3 years ago! I still remember how much fun that weekend was, and I distinctly remember the corner workers trying to flag down Rob and I because we had some idiot waving his hands around out of the window!

[Flash68]

Sounds a lot like Sonoma, almost exactly 3 years ago! I still remember how much fun that weekend was, and I distinctly remember the corner workers trying to flag down Rob and I because we had some idiot waving his hands around out of the window!

Which idiot? That could be one of many people...... :sieg:

[Matt@BOS]

Which idiot? That could be one of many people...... :sieg:

The one undergoing aggressive herbal treatments, yelling “Weeeeeeeeee, and yeeeeee haaaaaa every time we crested a hill! :lol:

It wasn’t the idiot that brought a 241hp Mustang or the one that brought the super secret Fox that everyone knew about!

[Sieg]

Sounds a lot like Sonoma, almost exactly 3 years ago! I still remember how much fun that weekend was, and I distinctly remember the corner workers trying to flag down Rob and I because we had some idiot waving his hands around out of the window!

This weekend? :D

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This weekend? :D

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That weekend! But why does Rob look like he took some of Greg's medicine?

[Sieg]

That weekend! But why does Rob look like he took some of Greg's medicine?
Because the Orange Krate was a bit of a handling handful at that time? :D

One thing I'll never forget about that trip is how the hair dryer powered PDK trans in your car would launch out of T2 into T3, major adrenaline rush! :excited:

I still grin every time I think about it. :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

Because the Orange Krate was a bit of a handling handful at that time? :D

One thing I'll never forget about that trip is how the hair dryer powered PDK trans in your car would launch out of T2 into T3, major adrenaline rush! :excited:

I still grin every time I think about it. :thumbsup:

That's right, now I remember the "variable camber" struts on Agent Orange.

I almost forgot about running laps in the 911! I should have turned the stability control off that weekend, we could have four wheel drifted through every corner! I did not, however, forget that driving the 911 up inspired Gwen to go get one... that very night! :lol:

[fleet]

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[SSLance]

Travel plans secure...see y'all sometime Friday!

[mfain]

Where is everyone staying?

Pappy

[rustomatic]

Dave G. has offered space on the floor of his living room. This is a verified true fact. Just don't add to the cookie crumbs currently present.

[waynieZ]

Have fun guys!

[Sieg]

That's right, now I remember the "variable camber" struts on Agent Orange.

I almost forgot about running laps in the 911! I should have turned the stability control off that weekend, we could have four wheel drifted through every corner! I did not, however, forget that driving the 911 up inspired Gwen to go get one... that very night! :lol:

You still had the original tires on the car...… fact. :lol:

Here's 2 phones Gwen working the deal on the 911 from the garage :D

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[Tinker]

Have fun guys!

I second the thought.
Wishing all a safe weekend. I'm sure there will be lots of stories to tell as well as ones you can't. lol

[SSLance]

Where is everyone staying?

Pappy


In a van down by the river is a pretty accurate description for our accomodations... 😀

[Sonar Chief]

I have reservations at the Travelodge … I'll see everyone Friday about noon?

The photos from Mini Nats 2016 bring back good memories :hello:

See you guys real soon!!

[Flash68]

Where is everyone staying?

Pappy

Some are staying at the Inn Marin in Novato and the Embassy Suites in San Rafael. But generally that is the closest good area to the track over there.

[DBasher]

Some are staying at the Inn Marin in Novato and the Embassy Suites in San Rafael. But generally that is the closest good area to the track over there.

Some are just showing up, lol.

Ricky’s at the Inn Marin is closed so not much happening there.

[Flash68]

Ricky’s at the Inn Marin is closed so not much happening there.

Tell that to Braga. :lol:

[DBasher]

Who’s Braga? Lol

[mfain]

Some are staying at the Inn Marin in Novato and the Embassy Suites in San Rafael. But generally that is the closest good area to the track over there.

Made reservations at the Embassy Suites. Looking forward to seeing Greg and the festivities.

Pappy

[CurtiSS 69]

Any updates?

[Flash68]

Replacing starter.
Should be on track testing this afternoon.