WELD/SUTTON DIRT MISSILE build

[GregWeld]

Since the 40 Ford P/U is just about going to paint..... here's another little project we're working on... a new race car....


See more details here.....

http://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56208


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[DBasher]

Further along then Dave’s “7 Year Itch” on the first post...well played. :lol:

Lookin forward to this one coming together, it’s going to be a rocket!

:flag2::thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Shouldn't the title be "SUTTON / weld" ? :action-smiley-027:


Further along then Dave’s “7 Year Itch” on the first post...well played. :lol:



What a Richard..... :hitaxeonthehead:

[preston]

When I first saw Ron's list of potential fiberglass bodies I couldn't believe it. I was like well okay those are prototype bodies that someone is going to make if you buy one, cuz I can't believe those bodies are out there and available for purchase because I've never heard of them.

But there it is, widebodied no less. I don't know what those bodies cost but geez to create a wide body mold and then build a body of which I believe the count is one, just blows me away. I mean just commissioning a fiberglass wide body Mustang seems like it would be a project in itself.

Beyond that I just love Ron's chassis designs, so amazingly functional. I've seen a lot of fancy chassis being built, but when I see one of Ron's I"m like yup that is exactly each bar needed and nothing extraneous.

Looking forward to watching this one.

[GregWeld]

Shouldn't the title be "SUTTON / weld" ? :action-smiley-027:



I looked at your BMF beginning post last night.....

http://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28515


The first post was 9/2010 - Roughly EIGHT years ago....


The first post begins with "After being forced to sell my previous 68 earlier this year......"

And then goes on to state..... "I learned a lot from the past build about myself, shops, estimates, priorities, etc... "


Maybe - since we're changing thread names here..... we should rename your thread to "My 8 year pile of rusted parts" --- or maybe --- "I guess I really didn't learn a thing about trying to build cars"


:slingshot::thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Y'all !!!

I just started a "Track-Warrior Builds - RSRT & BYO" thread on Sunday that shows 3 of the 15 RSRT Track-Warrior Builds. A lot of people don't know there are that many being built, because only a couple have build threads.

In the "Track-Warrior Builds - RSRT & BYO" thread, we're going to show most, if not all of them, in one thread HERE (http://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56208). This thread is not showing up in the "New Posts" or "Today's Posts" currently. Not sure why. I'll reach out to Jody.

Super glad Greg started this thread, as we'll show all the details of his build here. Since the concept of building a wide body Mustang is cool in itself, I'll start by showing some of body build photos & tell that story. Then we'll catch everyone up on the chassis, engine, trans & other cool parts of this build.

Pull up a chair & grab some popcorn, because this is going to be a cool build in an amazing short time. :popcorn2:

[Ron Sutton]

When I first saw Ron's list of potential fiberglass bodies I couldn't believe it. I was like well okay those are prototype bodies that someone is going to make if you buy one, cuz I can't believe those bodies are out there and available for purchase because I've never heard of them.

But there it is, widebodied no less. I don't know what those bodies cost but geez to create a wide body mold and then build a body of which I believe the count is one, just blows me away. I mean just commissioning a fiberglass wide body Mustang seems like it would be a project in itself.

Beyond that I just love Ron's chassis designs, so amazingly functional. I've seen a lot of fancy chassis being built, but when I see one of Ron's I"m like yup that is exactly each bar needed and nothing extraneous.

Looking forward to watching this one.

Preston, you are spot on in many ways.

This Wide-Body 70 Fastback Mustang body did not exist before this. But in my 35+ years of racing & building race industry relationships ... I've learned who can do what ... and do it well ... versus those that are full of bulls@#$.

I've worked with Richard Earle of Suncoast Race Cars several times years back & I knew what he & his team was capable of. I knew he could create almost anything custom, as long as we were willing to pay a realistic price for what custom work takes.

Normally it takes 3-4 months to have an entire "regular" fiberglass body ... shell, doors, front end, hood, scoop, dash, decklid, etc .... built. The error we made was thinking we could build a full custom widened car ... with rocker skirts, flush glass, wicked air dam & hood scoop blended ... in the same time. We didn't. It took 6 months for the shell & the rest will be 7 months.

So it shortened the time we have to build the car to 4 months. Most people would be panic'd. But not my crew. This is old hat to us.

Randy Chastain of One-Off Customs is building "most" of the car. Mike Tolle of Tolle Fab is building the cage & installing all the features I want TIG welded. Ron Sutton Race Technology is providing the design, parts & oversight.

Randy is a long time friend. He was General Manager of Ron Sutton's Winner's Circle from start to finish. Randy over saw the building, set-up, racing, repair ... and sometimes ... rebuilding ... of 26 race cars there. He played a HUGE role in the hundred plus wins we got during that time.

Mike is a long time race car builder in IMSA, having worked on and/or built just about every type of road race car. We've worked together on many projects & I love his work.

The target is to be running a private test day on track at the end of June. We got this. :)

[Vegas69]

Definitely subscribed to this one!

I don't have the heart to rip on Dave anymore. :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Definitely subscribed to this one!

I don't have the heart to rip on Dave anymore. :lol:

Don’t quit on the DGBeetdown...I think there’s still some life in that seemingly :beathorse


lol

[FETorino]

Definitely subscribed to this one!

I don't have the heart to rip on Dave anymore. :lol:

Just a crazy thought. Maybe this thread could be about a car build. :rolleyes:

I can’t wait to see this thing on track. Unfortunately for me based on the specs of this build and Ron’s tuning all I will see is the rear bumper. :shakehead:

[FaBrycation]

looking forward to this build Greg!!!

[SSLance]

This thread is not showing up in the "New Posts" or "Today's Posts" currently. Not sure why. I'll reach out to Jody.



I noticed the other day that my shop build thread is the same way, doesn't show up under either as well. Not sure if it helps or not but it might help Jody figure out what's up.

Can't wait to watch this and the other Track Warrior builds progress!!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Just a crazy thought. Maybe this thread could be about a car build. :rolleyes:



google, fakebook, twitter etc approve of this message.

#anti1a

[DBasher]

Ron, is this being built as a single seat with the drivers area enclosed with sheet metal and the exhaust and what nots hidden on the passenger side?

Also...as you start a project like this, have you got a set of prints that Randy works off of (I’m guessing you do)that are detailed down to the last fastener?

Looking forward to learning how this all goes together and what aero will be used. :flag2::thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

Ron, is this being built as a single seat with the drivers area enclosed with sheet metal and the exhaust and what nots hidden on the passenger side?

Also...as you start a project like this, have you got a set of prints that Randy works off of (I’m guessing you do)that are detailed down to the last fastener?

Looking forward to learning how this all goes together and what aero will be used. :flag2::thumbsup:

Hey Dan !

Single seat? Yes
drivers area enclosed with sheet metal and the exhaust and what nots hidden on the passenger side? No
There will be "room" for a passenger seat, but there won't be one. That's where Greg's cool suit/cool air box goes.

Yes we have a set of blueprints that outline every detail of the car, that goes along with a written build plan "checklist". I won't post the "detailed" blueprints, but I will post general prints here in a while.

Yes, I actually spec every fastener, material & thickness, from the cage & frame to different sheetmetal thicknesses used in different areas. :)

[Ron Sutton]

For Greg Weld's 70 Fastback Mustang Track-Warrior ... we had a custom body built that is 6" wider! It's 3" wider on each side, right where the greenhouse (roof & pillars) meet the body.

This was done by hand with fiberglass veterans with experience doing custom bodies.

Here is a progression of the body being built.

[57hemicuda]

This thing is so cool, when you have a car guy who knows what he wants, and will spare no expense, and a builder that knows all the most exotic parts in the industry. Its a formula for a epic race car, with of course a muscle car skin. It doesn't hurt that I'm super partial to Mustang wide Bodies.

That trans........YUM

[GregWeld]

This thing is so cool, when you have a car guy who knows what he wants, and will spare no expense, and a builder that knows all the most exotic parts in the industry. Its a formula for a epic race car, with of course a muscle car skin. It doesn't hurt that I'm super partial to Mustang wide Bodies.

That trans........YUM



Since we all did PRI show --- I think I'm way more excited for this to be done than I am the little '40 pickup.... And for sure to see your AMX on track with this thing! Going to be so much fun!

And yes..... I think Sutton knows how to build a race car. I love his description --- low and mean! LOL


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[57hemicuda]

That's how we all describe you buddy, low and mean. Crack myself up.

[Ron Sutton]

That's how we all describe you buddy, low and mean. Crack myself up.

Ron = :lmao::headspin::rofl:
Greg = :badidea::warning::bigun2:

Me = :tv_happy:

[WSSix]

Sweet! Glad this is getting shown along with the other ones, too.

[clill]

Maybe have a spare body handy for when he wads this one up.:mock:

[GregWeld]

Definitely subscribed to this one!

I don't have the heart to rip on Dave anymore. :lol:



Me either but sometimes I can't help myself..... We're all great friends -- and then I go back and read something and think "WOW!" someone reading that would think we hate each other.... It's funnier I think if you're all hanging out in the garage drinking beer... But! That's the internet....

[GregWeld]

Maybe have a spare body handy for when he wads this one up.:mock:

Sutton had splash molds made of the body ---- we're WAAAAAYYYYYYY ahead of you......

[57hemicuda]

Your supposed to say my driving skill, and level head will keep from needing additional body panels.

[GregWeld]

Your supposed to say my driving skill, and level head will keep from needing additional body panels.



Okay ---- I'll revise this....


My driving skills are why we ordered molds made.....

[FETorino]

Ron, is this being built as a single seat with the drivers area enclosed with sheet metal and the exhaust and what nots hidden on the passenger side?

Also...as you start a project like this, have you got a set of prints that Randy works off of (I’m guessing you do)that are detailed down to the last fastener?

Looking forward to learning how this all goes together and what aero will be used. :flag2::thumbsup:

Ron

What about the Aero :y0!: tell us what you have planned. :popcorn2:

[Ron in SoCal]

Okay ---- I'll revise this....


My driving skills are why we ordered molds made.....

You're actually in a whole 'nother zip code with this car. As good as you got, this build will test and expand yer .... ahhh you know.

lol

[DBasher]

You're actually in a whole 'nother zip code with this car. As good as you got, this build will test and expand yer .... ahhh you know.

lol

Lotus X 4=🤔

I’ve seen you wheel OY on the edge and beyond. Do you feel like you ever drove the Lotus to 9/10ths and trusted the aero and grip?

[Ron Sutton]

Okay ---- I'll revise this....


My driving skills are why we ordered molds made.....

:lmao:


Not really. Sh*t happens

[Ron Sutton]

Greg's 70 Mustang Track-Warrior Blueprint (without dimensions)

:bigun2:



http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=149984&d=1520367054

[Ron Sutton]

Ron

What about the Aero :y0!: tell us what you have planned. :popcorn2:

Starting in the front:
A. Sealed front nose with airflow ducted through radiator/heat exchanger & brake ducts

B. 4" Front splitter x 75" wide (supported from bumper panel)

C. Splitter to wheel opening bump flare, blending from splitter into 1/3 wickers on wheel openings.

D. Deep inner fender lip on back side of all fenders
* To reduce airflow into wheel wells

E. May, or may not, add side air extractor in fenders
* I need to package everything first

F. Smooth Hood / Max Surface area
* Inner bracing to maximize downforce
* Rounded nose (Ford style in hood removed)

G. Low angle, smooth top cowl hood scoop
* Ignore the silhouette drawing in the blueprint
* Hood will be smooth with 4" cowl scoop

H. Flush mount Lexan windshield

I. Smooth body (No door handles, emblems, etc

J. Ground Effects
* Rockers do NOT roll under
* Rockers are "boxed" to be flat on the sides
* This reduces airflow "roll under"
* 1.5" Wide Side Splitters full length of rockers
* Practically eliminates airflow under the rockers
* Creates small amount of downforce

K. Flush mount Lexan side windows with radiused B-Pillars to reduce airflow into cockpit
* NACA Duct in one side window for driver cooling
* Provides air for the FAST Cool Suit & Cool Air Helmet Blower

L. Full, smooth, belly pan from splitter to rear of car
* All removable with flat head Dzus fasteners
* 2 NACA ducts with hose to cool rear brakes
* Can run without certain panels for better cooling & ease of use
* Then run full panels when racing or running for optimum lap time

M. Functional, gentle roll diffuser with 4.5" strakes

N. Flush mount Lexan rear window

O. Rear "Kick Up" on Mustang tail light panel removed & straightened for cleaner airflow.
* Ignore the silhouette drawing in the blueprint
* No rear spoiler
* Top of rear deck is level / kick up removed

P. Dual Element Rear Wing
* Aggressive wing design = High Down Force / Medium Drag
* 13" Primary Wing
* 5.5" Secondary Wing
* 76" Wide
* 22 Angle settings with bolt hole change
* Changeable Wickers for tuning
* Rear Mount to Chassis
* Support Mount to Body

I may put some vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof just to mess with people. Just kiddin'. The rear profile of this car is bitchin' & doesn't need VGs.

[GregWeld]

Lotus X 4=🤔

I’ve seen you wheel OY on the edge and beyond. Do you feel like you ever drove the Lotus to 9/10ths and trusted the aero and grip?

No I never did -- I never liked the Lotus... it was boring and so much faster than all the stuff that was at a Shelby event - I could tool around at about 7/10ths and pass them.

I have done Mazda Star cars -- with big aero.... and know what it takes to drive them and make the aero work.

[DBasher]

Starting in the front:
A. Sealed front nose with airflow ducted through radiator/heat exchanger & brake ducts----Typical radiator opening or all clean air from down low?

B. 4" Front splitter x 75" wide (supported from bumper panel)

C. Splitter to wheel opening bump flare, blending from splitter into 1/3 wickers on wheel openings.

D. Deep inner fender lip on back side of all fenders
* To reduce airflow into wheel wells

E. May, or may not, add side air extractor in fenders
* I need to package everything first----I'd love to see this happen

F. Smooth Hood / Max Surface area----Rob, I told you so :action-smiley-027:
* Inner bracing to maximize downforce
* Rounded nose (Ford style in hood removed)

G. Low angle, smooth top cowl hood scoop
* Ignore the silhouette drawing in the blueprint
* Hood will be smooth with 4" cowl scoop

H. Flush mount Lexan windshield

I. Smooth body (No door handles, emblems, etc----How's a guy supposed to get in?

J. Ground Effects
* Rockers do NOT roll under
* Rockers are "boxed" to be flat on the sides
* This reduces airflow "roll under"
* 1.5" Wide Side Splitters full length of rockers----Any reason some splitters are curved and wider at the front and rear?
* Practically eliminates airflow under the rockers
* Creates small amount of downforce

K. Flush mount Lexan side windows with radiused B-Pillars to reduce airflow into cockpit
* NACA Duct in one side window for driver cooling
* Provides air for the FAST Cool Suit & Cool Air Helmet Blower

L. Full, smooth, belly pan from splitter to rear of car
* All removable with flat head Dzus fasteners
* 2 NACA ducts with hose to cool rear brakes----Curious to see where these get placed.
* Can run without certain panels for better cooling & ease of use
* Then run full panels when racing or running for optimum lap time

M. Functional, gentle roll diffuser with 4.5" strakes

N. Flush mount Lexan rear window

O. Rear "Kick Up" on Mustang tail light panel removed & straightened for cleaner airflow.
* Ignore the silhouette drawing in the blueprint
* No rear spoiler
* Top of rear deck is level / kick up removed

P. Dual Element Rear Wing
* Aggressive wing design = High Down Force / Medium Drag
* 13" Primary Wing
* 5.5" Secondary Wing
* 76" Wide
* 22 Angle settings with bolt hole change
* Changeable Wickers for tuning
* Rear Mount to Chassis
* Support Mount to Body

I may put some vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof just to mess with people. Just kiddin'. The rear profile of this car is bitchin' & doesn't need VGs.


Looking forward to your aero thread coming to life. :flag2::thumbsup:

[1965_SS]

So bad ass!!!!!!
Following along..................

[booah]

My favourite page so far, having just built a front splitter and chin piece on my 70 Mach 1 for a 1/2 mile race here in Aus.

Watching with much interest.

[Ummgawa]

Following this one. Very cool.

[Ron Sutton]

I. Smooth body (No door handles, emblems, etc----How's a guy supposed to get in?

J. Ground Effects
* Rockers do NOT roll under
* Rockers are "boxed" to be flat on the sides
* This reduces airflow "roll under"
* 1.5" Wide Side Splitters full length of rockers----Any reason some splitters are curved and wider at the front and rear?
* Practically eliminates airflow under the rockers
* Creates small amount of downforce

L. Full, smooth, belly pan from splitter to rear of car
* All removable with flat head Dzus fasteners
* 2 NACA ducts with hose to cool rear brakes----Curious to see where these get placed.
* Can run without certain panels for better cooling & ease of use
* Then run full panels when racing or running for optimum lap time

Hey Dan!

Answers:
I: There are no side windows. The door handle on the inside of the door ... the handle the driver uses to get out ... is easily accessible by reaching in the open window area.

J: I'm not clear what you're asking. Please restate the question.

L: The NACA Ducts will go in the belly pan, in front of the rear brake calipers (which are on the front side of the housing).

:cheers:

[DBasher]

Ignoring the height at the front and rear of the splitter, notice how the width of the “board” changes? This is the only picture I have on my phone but I’ve seen quite a few that are set up wider at the ends and narrower in the middle.

I have a lot interest on the aero...if you plan on explaining the how’s and why’s as you go I can probably keep to myself....probably.

[Ron Sutton]

Ignoring the height at the front and rear of the splitter, notice how the width of the “board” changes? This is the only picture I have on my phone but I’ve seen quite a few that are set up wider at the ends and narrower in the middle.

I have a lot interest on the aero...if you plan on explaining the how’s and why’s as you go I can probably keep to myself....probably.

Gotcha.

There is more turbulence at the wheel wells ... both front & rear. So the designer "probably" made them wider there to deal with that.

Or they may have made the middle narrower, simply for ease of driver & passenger egress. Hard to say for sure their reasoning.

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: NASA TTU & Track Days
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Here are some EARLY photos of Greg Weld's 70 Mustang the front end. I say "early" because we've made changes & advancements to it since these. But you'll get to see the progression this way. I'll show the changes we made & why we made them.

Early stages of front end customization. You can see where the front end has been widened 3" on each side for a total of 6" wider. This is all to widen the track width & make room for 335/30/18 Hoosier Slicks all the way around.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150298&d=1520545615

The top red circle shows where the Ford style is shaped into the nose. We'll be removing that ... smoothing & rounding the nose ... and making the hood flat in front of the eventual 4" cowl hood scoop.

The red circle on the bottom is just to point out that the air dam mocked up here is NOT going to stay that shape. It will also be rounded. Gotta start somewhere. :lol:

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150299&d=1520545882

This photo shows the rear of the body shell after it was widened 6" & re-gel coated.
Yes, those are 69-70 Shelby Tail Lights. The actual lights will be LEDs.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150300&d=1520546223


This is a good photo showing what the factory tail panel kick up looked like. If I left this as is, it would seriously affect airflow off the back of the car. So we leveled it out as you can see in the second photo.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150301&d=1520546412
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150302&d=1520546446

[Flash68]

Ron, what's the measurement on Greg's from outside of tire to outside of tire?

[Ron Sutton]

Ron, what's the measurement on Greg's from outside of tire to outside of tire?

It is 74" ... which is 2" wider than a C6 Vette

[57hemicuda]

Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmmhttps://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/Mustang/i-k87zX6t/0/91607986/L/mustang%20075-L.jpg

[jarhead]

cool...along for the fun

Popcorn is in the microwave :-)

[Flash68]

Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmm

I knew someone was gonna go there...

What's that saying? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... :lol:

[clill]

I wanna watch Bozo get it in his trailer.

[gofastwclass]

I wanna watch Bozo get it in his trailer.

Hahaha!!!! :headscratch:

Widen the trailer by six inches? :sarcasm_smiley:

[GregWeld]

I wanna watch Bozo get it in his trailer.

Easy! I have 10" to spare......


You put the ramp down --- line her up --- rev it to 4,000 and dump the hammer. Nuthin' to it.

[johnnysuede23]

Wow looks awesome! If this had a aluminum Boss 9 in it that would be my dream car.

[GregWeld]

Wow looks awesome! If this had a aluminum Boss 9 in it that would be my dream car.

No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more weight and less power..... :buttkick::rofl::rofl:


Seriously --- it's the same reason the SBC is in "everything" when you go to a hot rod show.... the SUPPORT for aftermarket anything is like 10 to 1

I'd talked about a flat plane Coyote motor.... "just because" but of course -- that comes back to spending double for less. Cool - no doubt...

[preston]

Originally Posted by 57hemicuda View Post
Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmm
I knew someone was gonna go there...

What's that saying? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

Me too !

I can't help myself after spending 2 years of my life building my own wide body Mustang. These cars just take to it so well because of the character line going down the car. I've had many Mustang enthusiasts look at my car and not realize it had been widened.

Surprised about knocking off the rear trunk spoiler, I've seen a lot of guys combine them with wings but come to think of it I always kind of wondered if that was a good idea, and now we know - The Sutton has spoken.

If anyone is inspired and interested in acquiring a wide body '68 Mustang with a Sutton-esque suspension let me know - I can't afford this hobby anymore ! I can't seem to leave well enough alone - I was talking with my wife about what I could get for it and I was like "hell, its free, just take over the damn payments !"

[Ron Sutton]

Wow looks awesome! If this had a aluminum Boss 9 in it that would be my dream car.

Johnny, I'm sure you know the saying ...

"You write the check & we'll put any damn engine in it you want!"

:thumbsup:

[jarhead]

""No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more weight and less power""

You are in your right mind Greg?

sorry I had to get on the band wagon :headspin::popcorn2:

:thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

""No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more power and less weight ... and aero.""

You are in your right mind Greg?

sorry I had to get on the band wagon :headspin::popcorn2:

:thumbsup:

There. Fixed it for ya !

[booah]

Just finished my front end aero, you can copy this if you want

[Sieg]

I voted for the Lotus with the Toyota motor. :sieg:

[GregWeld]

""No hot rodder in his right mind is going to spend double for more weight and less power""

You are in your right mind Greg?

sorry I had to get on the band wagon :headspin::popcorn2:

:thumbsup:

I can't be too "right" Joe --- building two cars at the same time just proves it.

[jarhead]

I can't be too "right" Joe --- building two cars at the same time just proves it.

Hey you are in good hands on both those builds, besides Now Ron is teasing both of us :D

This is going to be stellar :trophy-1302:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I can't be too "right" Joe --- building two cars at the same time just proves it.

George Poteet would approve...Broh.


:D

[gnx7]

All fiberglass body! Is there a target weight wet with fluids less driver?

This is going to be a madman when it's done.

[Ron Sutton]

All fiberglass body! Is there a target weight wet with fluids less driver?

This is going to be a madman when it's done.

If it was a "Race Only Car" we would build everything on the edge of being too light & constantly inspect, repair & replace ... and it would be 2400#. We're building this to be Greg's "Track Car" that he races in NASA's TTU class some. So we built it much more durable ... and safer. It will be about 2600#-2650#.

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

These were beautiful photos ... and a relief .... to receive when we were thinking they were never going to get the body done.

[Ron Sutton]

We had to measure the body ... to be absolutely sure ... of the dimensions for tire width, track width, etc ... before we built the clips. The day the body arrived, we measured it. The front & rear frame clips with suspension were done 2 days later.

[FaBrycation]

Cant wait to see this one on the track Greg.

[GregWeld]

Cant wait to see this one on the track Greg.

It should be some fun huh!!! LOL

Where we meeting up next buddy???

[FaBrycation]

It should be some fun huh!!! LOL

Where we meeting up next buddy???


I'll be doing Trick-Tools booths in Des Moines and Columbus. and then SEMA. will you be at any of those places?

[GregWeld]

I'll be doing Trick-Tools booths in Des Moines and Columbus. and then SEMA. will you be at any of those places?

The GoodGuys shows will depend on the truck.... I'd like to see it in "early truck" running.... And SEMA is an undecided yet --- frankly -- other than to see friends - it's boring - compared to (for me personally) PRI....

Do not take that as a knock on SEMA.... it's just not as relevant to me as PRI has become. I may end up doing both.... I've also scheduled FABTECH 2018 and have rooms for that already.

[FaBrycation]

The GoodGuys shows will depend on the truck.... I'd like to see it in "early truck" running.... And SEMA is an undecided yet --- frankly -- other than to see friends - it's boring - compared to (for me personally) PRI....

Do not take that as a knock on SEMA.... it's just not as relevant to me as PRI has become. I may end up doing both.... I've also scheduled FABTECH 2018 and have rooms for that already.

I'd like to see your truck in that competition also. It's definitely got the right look.
I understand about SEMA. It's a great show for conducting business but I can not see most of it and be just fine with that. the duck will be back this year in the Trick-Tools booth. I am striving to have the fab 100% done. then do the final deets over the winter and then take it to Detroit.

Both PRI and FabTech are on my bucket list. I have yet to attend either.

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: NASA TTU & Track Days
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Here are some photos with the mid-frame structure done at Randy Chastain's "One-Off Customs" shop.

A few things that might not be apparent from the photos are:
* The outer rails are 2x2 x .120" wall
* The inner rails are 2x3 x .065" wall
* The cross bracing is 1x2 x .065" wall

The cross bracing is flush with the top rails, leaving a 1" void between the bottom of the outer rails & the bottom of the cross bracing. This is where we run the brake lines & car wiring to the rear for fuel pump, tail lights, etc.

The brake lines utilize two bulkhead fittings that go through the dog legs (at the firewall) & rear crossmember. The main fuse block, Holley ECU, No-Lift Shift Controller & Data Logger all mount on the backside of the firewall, in the cockpit & under the dash on a rubber insulated panel to reduce NVH to the electronics. The wiring goes through the floor & into to that same 1" void to the rear crossmember ... where it then goes into & through the rear frame rail back to the cell & tail lights.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150482&d=1521125979

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150483&d=1521126000

The engine & trans are just "mocked up" & locked in place in these photos. We do this so the actual engine & trans mounts can be built & the exhaust can be run. The headers & exhaust run down the center of the car.

Later, there will be a "tunnel backbone" structure built into the car. It gets super insulated to help keep the driver cool. Plus JET-HOT High Performance Coatings coats the headers & exhaust INSIDE & OUTSIDE with with their top line 2000° thermal barrier. This is to reduce heat transfer to the transmission & driver.

If you look close, you'll notice Randy fabricated a thin steel panel that attaches to the bottom & top of the fiberglass body rockers. The panel has 6 rivnuts in it to allow the chassis to bolt to the rockers. You can see the milled holes in the frame rails that allow access to these bolts from under the car (with the belly pan removed.) The body is NOT quickly removable. Impossible to seal off the cockpit if it was. But the body can be removed in about an hour if needed for crash repair.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150484&d=1521126061

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We're going to the Optima Ultimate Street Car event in Las Vegas for the weekend. So no updates until Monday.

[FETorino]

Ron

For the engine mounting it’s obvious you are using a front motor plate but what about out back?

Are you going to run a mid plate and suspend that unobtanium sequential or is that the start of a rear rubber insulator mounting point the transmission tail is resting on?

How much longer till the wings arrives? I want to see the wing.

Thankfully I will get to see this standing still because it seems obvious I won’t get close enough to see it on track. :waveflag:

[Ron Sutton]

Hey One Eyed Rob !

Ron

For the engine mounting it’s obvious you are using a front motor plate but what about out back?
Good question. You need to be careful with how you mount engines & transmissions ... or stuff breaks. When I see people who go by the rule of "when it doubt ... make it stout" on race cars ... that often doesn't work out. Mounting the engine & transmission is a good example of that. If we mount the front of the block with a motor plate, the back with a mid plate & the transmission with a solid or rigid mount ... the chassis flex will break the transmission case.

What I have found works well is mounting the front of the block with a motor plate ... hanging 1 or 2 straps from the firewall cage bar to "help support" the back of the engine/front of trans with no added rigidity ... and supporting the back of the trans with a poly mount. That is what will be done here. With LS, we use one steel strap at the mid point. One end bolts to the top bellhousing bolt& the other end bolts to a bracket welded onto the firewall bar. See illustration below.


Are you going to run a mid plate and suspend that unobtanium sequential or is that the start of a rear rubber insulator mounting point the transmission tail is resting on?

How much longer till the wings arrives? I want to see the wing.
Wing arrives next week. But I'm not posting photos of it just yet.
Well ... I could be bribed. If you buy the beer next time we're at Thunderhill. :cheers:


Thankfully I will get to see this standing still because it seems obvious I won’t get close enough to see it on track. :waveflag:

LOL. It is going to be bad fast, compared to most. The cool thing is it will be confidence inspiring & comfortable to drive with all the tire, downforce & overall grip.

Give Greg a few weekends of track time to get used to it & he'll be damn fast.

[FETorino]

Hey One Eyed Rob !



LOL. It is going to be bad fast, compared to most. The cool thing is it will be confidence inspiring & comfortable to drive with all the tire, downforce & overall grip.

Give Greg a few weekends of track time to get used to it & he'll be damn fast.



Hey. I’m probably closer to One .75 Eyed Rob and climbing right now Ron:catfight::lmao:

Thanks for the insight on the mounting. If you run a Front and mid plate on the motor what would you do with the transmission?

Ok. I’ll look for the wing pictures in my e-mail. You know I’ll buy you a Racer5 at the traditional Willow watering hole.

Greg is pretty good in the small tire yellow car so I’d bet you’re right, he should run well in TTU.

[Goosesdad]

Salivating.

[Ron Sutton]

Hey. I’m probably closer to One .75 Eyed Rob and climbing right now Ron:catfight::lmao:

Thanks for the insight on the mounting. If you run a Front and mid plate on the motor what would you do with the transmission?

Ok. I’ll look for the wing pictures in my e-mail. You know I’ll buy you a Racer5 at the traditional Willow watering hole.

Greg is pretty good in the small tire yellow car so I’d bet you’re right, he should run well in TTU.

If we run a rigid motor plate & mid plate, we "sit" the transmission on a rubber mount for support. No bolts.

[DBasher]

Give Greg a few weekends of track time to get used to it & he'll be damn fast.

[/COLOR]

Hell on wheels!

Thanks for sharing all of this, Ron.
:thumbsup::flag2:

[Blake Foster]

If we run a rigid motor plate & mid plate, we "sit" the transmission on a rubber mount for support. No bolts.




yep that is how I have done it. Or like you said no mid plate then poly trans mount never solid trans mount

[FETorino]

I know those wing photos are about to get posted.

I showed you mine, let’s see yours. :rolleyes:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/60CE530D-3D24-4F78-90FE-15D3F20E32C4_zps2ddqk3aj.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/60CE530D-3D24-4F78-90FE-15D3F20E32C4_zps2ddqk3aj.jpg.html)

[DBasher]

I’m ready.

[DBasher]

Pull up a chair & grab some popcorn, because this is going to be a cool build in an amazing short time. :popcorn2:

[/COLOR]

Is it done yet? :popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

Is it done yet? :popcorn2:



Almost !!

[FETorino]

Almost !!

But still no wing pictures?

[57hemicuda]

Nothing but a chicken wing

[GregWeld]

But still no wing pictures?



Some people need "parts" to try to go faster..... Some just need to get in the car.

[FETorino]

Some people need "parts" to try to go faster..... Some just need to get in the car.

What can I say. I like wings. :thumbsup:

[DBasher]

Some people need "parts" to try to go faster..... Some just need to get in the car.

At least pull it out of the trailer....:hello:

[Ron Sutton]

But still no wing pictures?

It's not here yet you dang over achiever! My nick name used to be the Hamster. I am going to pass that on to you Rob. LOL

[Ron Sutton]

The first photos here show the new steel inner rocker panel Randy builds for the fiberglass body. They utilize nutserts. The frame will have matching holes to bolt the rocker panels to the frame. It will also attach in 6 other locations. The body "can be" removed in about an hour or so. The goal is not to make the body come off quickly, nor often, just if need be to make repairs.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150929&d=1522088739

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The odd braces are to keep everything true until the roll cage is installed.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150936&d=1522089104

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Off to get the roll cage installed at Tolle Fab, a few doors down.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=150939&d=1522089229

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[SSLance]

Ron, where else will the body attach to the frame besides the rockers?

And that sway bar tube up front!!! Can I get one like that for Barney? :D

[Ron Sutton]

Ron, where else will the body attach to the frame besides the rockers?

And that sway bar tube up front!!! Can I get one like that for Barney? :D

Great question Lance.

The "Shell" attaches to the car in many places with small light attachment points.

We weld light brackets to small squares with holes (see below) and glass them into the roof in five places. Three that connect to the front roof hoop (near the windshield). Two more that connect behind the roll cage main hoop. These are primarily to prevent the body from shaking itself apart from air buffeting around it.

Randy makes two, light brackets to attach the taillight panel to the frame rails. They attach to about 24" of aluminum glassed into the body. The sheet metal trunk floor & tubs are aluminum & bond to the body about 200 linear inches.

The rear bulkhead, which we treat as a rear firewall, is made out of steel sheet metal, sealed with a special fire blocker. This bulkhead bonds to the body about 80-90 linear inches.

Where the door strikers mount, we tie into side of the roll cage main hoop with small diameter chromoly tubing. This connects the body as well. Where the door hinge mounts go, we tie into side of the roll cage firewall upright tubes with small diameter chromoly tubing & connect to the body again.

Up at the firewall, which will be also be made of steel sheet metal & sealed with a special fire blocker, the body attaches to the firewall with about 28 rivets (every 4inches).

The cockpit floor is also made out of steel sheet metal, welded in & sealed with a special fire blocker. The engine compartment sheet metal is aluminum.

:cheers:

[gofastwclass]

That is really cool Ron! You have this stuff really sorted out. :)

[Ron Sutton]

And that sway bar tube up front!!! Can I get one like that for Barney? :D

Why ... YES you can! LOL

Go to pages 203-205 HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=202).

* The 1.25" 3-Piece Sway Bars on page 202 are what we put in our TA2 clips.
* They are also standard in the Speedtech Extrmeme clips & chassis I designed. Rates up to 1200#. Good for 3" front end dive or less.

* The "Step-Up" Bars on page 203 are what we put in the AXT clips, and as a meaner upgrade on Speedtech Extrmeme clips & chassis. Rates from 1300# up to 2000# plus. Good for 3" front end dive or less.

* The Monster Sway Bar kits are standard on our TA & GT front Clips & Track-Warriors like Greg's. Rates from 1500# to 5500#. That's NOT a typo. Good for up to 5" of front end dive.

[GregWeld]

I know there's some guys that are quite worried about the speed at which my car is being built -- but then -- they're on the 10 year + plan.....


This is less than a week.....




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[Flash68]

I'm diggin that Camaro in the background there ^^

:hitaxeonthehead:

[GregWeld]

Note that it's fully welded not just tacked...... LOL



I'd say Sutton knows how to get a race car built -- maybe 'cause he's done this a time or two??





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[Ummgawa]

Wow man. That things going to be a beast. A sweet beast...Izzat possible?

[Blake Foster]

Awesome good to see the progress!!! going to be a fun ride!!

[FETorino]

Awesome good to see the progress!!! going to be a fun ride!!

Ehh. It’s no SN95 Mustang. :underchair:

[GregWeld]

Ehh. It’s no SN95 Mustang. :underchair:



Well thank god for that! Glad I got that goin' for me. :headspin:

[DBasher]

Does the chassis/cage get coated are stay raw?

[GregWeld]

Does the chassis/cage get coated are stay raw?



It's not an SN95 or a Fox ----- so, of course it gets powder coated.....

Come on.... you ever see any of my stuff??? LOL

[DBasher]

Yeah, I almost didn’t ask but have seen “race” cars go either way....I suppose it would look kinda silly raw with the suede headliner and door panels. :lol:

[GregWeld]

Yeah, I almost didn’t ask but have seen “race” cars go either way....I suppose it would look kinda silly raw with the suede headliner and door panels. :lol:

It's just gotta run a 1:58 flat

[DBasher]

It's just gotta run a 1:58 flat

So now you’re hiring a driver? 😉

[Flash68]

It's not an SN95 or a Fox ----- so, of course it gets powder coated.....



LOL! Rude! :lol:

[GregWeld]

So now you’re hiring a driver? 😉



I had a "ringer" driver but we're not seeing eye to eye......

[DBasher]

Now that’s funny!

[Musclerodz]

not seeing eye to eye......:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[57hemicuda]

So cool, I love build pictures.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-3DPmLGX/0/882df938/L/Screenshot_20180327-072140-L.png

[Ron Sutton]

Does the chassis/cage get coated are stay raw?

Powder coat gloss black

[Ron Sutton]

Yeah, I almost didn’t ask but have seen “race” cars go either way....I suppose it would look kinda silly raw with the suede headliner and door panels. :lol:

Dan ! Suede? No way. Corduroy !

[Ron Sutton]

It's just gotta run a 1:58 flat

Are we going to pull some spark plug wires? :stirthepot:

[GregWeld]

Are we going to pull some spark plug wires? :stirthepot:

LOL ---- yeah ---- maybe 4 of them....


Was laughing at the time, thinking of Sonoma when Gaetano (AKA: Track Junky - ran a best of 1:58.5) was going to show me how it was done.... LOL

[gerno]

Ron,

What size and wall thickness is the tubing and all being used under the floor? Looking for both the larger rail by the tunnel and the outer one on the rocker as well as the smaller pieces tying the 2 larger rails together if you don't mind.

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[DBasher]

Ron,

What size and wall thickness is the tubing and all being used under the floor? Looking for both the larger rail by the tunnel and the outer one on the rocker as well as the smaller pieces tying the 2 larger rails together if you don't mind.

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And where do the pneumatic jacks mount? :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

Ron,

What size and wall thickness is the tubing and all being used under the floor? Looking for both the larger rail by the tunnel and the outer one on the rocker as well as the smaller pieces tying the 2 larger rails together if you don't mind.

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Hey Steve,

Great question.

The front & rear crossmembers are 2"x3"x.120" & the outer rails are 2"x2"x.120". The inner structure is all .065" wall. Frankly the .120" wall is just for safety.

The .065" everywhere would be plenty rigid with all the triangulation & the tubular backbone that is not in there yet. Stay tuned.

[Ron Sutton]

And where do the pneumatic jacks mount? :thumbsup:

Ahh, you'll need to wait & see. But you won't be waiting long.

[Payton King]

Coming together nicely!

[GregWeld]

I was looking around for the smartass that asked about air jacks..... hmmmmmm can't exactly remember who in the Pacific Northwest asked about that...





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[DBasher]

Takes one to know one 😘

I know this has been called the Boss in some circles, though I’m pretty sure it’s your Fumanchu...get er done!

[FETorino]

Do you have any wing pictures Greg. Ron is holding out on us.

Sweet rack by the way.

Ron

Will the wing be a top mount or traditional bottom mount? Will the uprights be rearward of the rear bumper or come up through the rear deck lid?

For the three link are you using the shock style decoupled setup like Payton went to or the std kit PK started with? Will the rear link be adjustable from the drivers seat?

[gnx7]

What front spindles are you using? It is coming along nicely!

[GregWeld]

Do you have any wing pictures Greg. Ron is holding out on us.

Sweet rack by the way.

Ron

Will the wing be a top mount or traditional bottom mount? Will the uprights be rearward of the rear bumper or come up through the rear deck lid?

For the three link are you using the shock style decoupled setup like Payton went to or the std kit PK started with? Will the rear link be adjustable from the drivers seat?



We have a name for people like you...... it begins with "ASK" and ends with "HOLE".......

LOL

Hey -- you're my competition! You don't expect us to spill our guts on every secret do you?? Oh! I think PICTURES work better in your case anyway you little crayon eater....




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[jarhead]

We have a name for people like you...... it begins with "ASK" and ends with "HOLE".......

LOL

Hey -- you're my competition! You don't expect us to spill our guts on every secret do you?? Oh! I think PICTURES work better in your case anyway you little crayon eater....




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:y0!:
GW, So you are running the Stang against his Torino? :peepwall:


I had to get in on the fun, lol

[GregWeld]

:y0!:
GW, So you are running the Stang against his Torino? :peepwall:


I had to get in on the fun, lol



Does he have a Torino?? Oh wait!! Yeah -- I remember now..... But I don't think that's a race car. I think it's a metallurgical study for corrosion and the speed at which iron oxide forms.

[jarhead]

OMG, i'm in tears :lol:

[gerno]

Ron - another question about the structure, this time the cage.

Based on pics of other builds it seems typically people use 1 piece front pillars that extend from either the main rear hoop or the roof hoop to the floor. In this build the front pillar is a short piece attaching the roof hoop and dash bar. I also notice the dash bar isn't bent but instead welded together. Without having any real knowledge of what works best I always assumed it was better to bend the steel rather than weld it together. This build seems to prove my assumptions wrong and in general this looks a bit easier than bending in tight spots. Is there any difference or benefit in strength when bending vs welding a joint?


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[GregWeld]

Ron - another question about the structure, this time the cage.

Based on pics of other builds it seems typically people use 1 piece front pillars that extend from either the main rear hoop or the roof hoop to the floor. In this build the front pillar is a short piece attaching the roof hoop and dash bar. I also notice the dash bar isn't bent but instead welded together. Without having any real knowledge of what works best I always assumed it was better to bend the steel rather than weld it together.



I have your answer ------ I'm not crashing the car so it doesn't matter.

[gerno]

I have your answer ------ I'm not crashing the car so it doesn't matter.

I believe that but I assume you may let Alex and/or Rob drive at some point.....

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I believe that but I assume you may let Alex and/or Rob drive at some point.....

Its all about placement, force direction-continuation-pathways and proper use of nodes. A straight piece of tubing will resist a bending force more so than a bent piece of tubing,even if welded. Its safe to have a bent tube but that depends on force loading, support (nodes) and directions.

[Payton King]

Sounds complicated Vince

[FETorino]

I believe that but I assume you may let Alex and/or Rob drive at some point.....

And I was just thinking what a great question you asked. :shakehead:

:
Its all about placement, force direction-continuation-pathways and proper use of nodes. A straight piece of tubing will resist a bending force more so than a bent piece of tubing,even if welded. Its safe to have a bent tube but that depends on force loading, support (nodes) and directions.

So to assure the proper use of nodes and determination of force pathways do you use software or some type of vector illustration?

[Sieg]

OMG, i'm in tears :lol:
Over a Regatta, seriously? :sieg:

[Ron Sutton]

What front spindles are you using? It is coming along nicely!

I developed my GT spindles over the course of the last few years. Each set was custom for a couple years. Now that we've landed on dimensions we can make optimum with all of our clips & any ride height ... we now mass produce them & the cost came way down, from $2000 before to $799 now.

You can see the Ron Sutton Race Technology GT Spindles & Hubs HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=200).

We also offer them in rear steer, named GTR Spindles. The first set went on Greg's 65 Mustang. Since then, we've refined them to work on Fords & GM cars.

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Steve !

Ron - another question about the structure, this time the cage.

Based on pics of other builds it seems typically people use 1 piece front pillars that extend from either the main rear hoop or the roof hoop to the floor. In this build the front pillar is a short piece attaching the roof hoop and dash bar. I also notice the dash bar isn't bent but instead welded together. Without having any real knowledge of what works best I always assumed it was better to bend the steel rather than weld it together. This build seems to prove my assumptions wrong and in general this looks a bit easier than bending in tight spots. Is there any difference or benefit in strength when bending vs welding a joint?



What Vince said in a complicated way is correct.

Its all about placement, force direction-continuation-pathways and proper use of nodes. A straight piece of tubing will resist a bending force more so than a bent piece of tubing,even if welded. Its safe to have a bent tube but that depends on force loading, support (nodes) and directions.

I'll clarify a few things ...
A. We do not want to butt weld 2 pieces of tubing together with no support. That would not be as strong as a bend.
B. But if we bring multiple tubes together ... triangulated them ... & weld them, that is stronger than a bend.

Looking at the photo below, if the red tube simply bent into the the tube in blue, and the tube circled green butted into this bent tube ... it would not be as strong as joining all three with welding.

The strength difference is not monsterous, but in the 15%-25% range.

Some bonuses of doing it this way is we can offset the A-pillar tube (red) to better fit the car & keep the firewall bar (green) higher than we could with a bent tube.

And lastly, just as Vince was stating, a bent tube is not nearly as strong as a straight tube. For example, when we make watt's link tubes straight (normal) we can run the 7/8" OD tube with .065" to .095" wall thickness & never have any issue. With our GT Watt's link, the lower passenger side tube is stepped. Meaning it is bent back & then bent again to be parallel. (See HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=238)). Those stepped tubes need to be .156" to .220" wall ... or they'll bend ... right where we "pre-bent" them.

Same with roll cages. Where you have a bend ... needs to be braced ... or that is your weak link. See how we brace them in the 2nd photo below. (Purple Circles)

Make sense?

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: NASA TTU & Track Days
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

The roll cage structure is coming along nicely.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151145&d=1522450734

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Decoupled 3-Link Mount for Top Links. Decel Link bolts into the brackets. Accel link bolts into a clamp on jack-screw adjuster for quick & easy tuning.

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With Body on ... before welding.

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Building the front engine bay cage with our adjustable height coil-over mounts

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Yes, that orange cylinder is one of the four air jax to make the car quick & easy to change tires & work on.

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[57hemicuda]

Way higher and tighter then I thought it would be, can't imagine how many times the body has been on and off. Looks more refined then your usual glass race car, awesome work Ron.

[Ron Sutton]

Way higher and tighter then I thought it would be, can't imagine how many times the body has been on and off. Looks more refined then your usual glass race car, awesome work Ron.

Thank you !

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: NASA TTU & Track Days
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

A lot of people have been asking about the aero. We're 6 weeks away from putting the body on & doing the aero, but I figured I'd give everyone a sneak peek at our high downforce dual element wing. Custom designed for Ron Sutton Race Technology by top folks in the IMSA aero field.

If you take notice, you'll see the dip in the wing is DEEP. This is how we make serious downforce, but it does create more drag. On a super speedway oval, low drag win. On a road course, high downforce wins. This wing intentionally is medium drag & high downforce. It will eat up 30-60 HP on the straights, depending on the speed. But the downforce when cornering will be nothing short of MEAN.

Pairing this with our optimized nose design, big splitter, mean front air dam, side splitters, full smooth belly pan underneath & highly functional diffuser in the rear will create downforce upward of 2/3 of the car's weight.

With this Track-Warrior build happening from start to finish in only 4 months, you will be able to see everything in a pretty short timeline.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151222&d=1522680223

:cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

now its getting very interesting! love seeing all the parts come together.

[Payton King]

Looking good Ron!

[FETorino]

That's a nice teaser Ron. I can't wait wait to see the aero all come together over the next six weeks.

Will the wing be a traditional bottom mount or a top mount.

[Ron Sutton]

Thanks guys !

Rob ...

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=149984&d=1520367054

[FETorino]

Thanks guys !

Rob ...

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=149984&d=1520367054

Well Ron that pic still shows the deck spoiler but I will take that it is an undermount with uprights behind the rear bumper. :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

Well Ron that pic still shows the deck spoiler but I will take that it is an undermount with uprights behind the rear bumper. :thumbsup:

There will be NO deck spoiler. The body illustration is just something I had in my arsenal to layover the chassis design. The body illustration shows several features (hood vents, no scoop, wheel flares, etc) that are not correct.

You've seen the body shell & where I had the factory kick up removed from the deck lid & flattened out for smoother air flow back there. It's all about the wing. :)

The dual element wing & mounts (upright & forward struts) in the blueprint are exactly how the wing mounts.

:cheers:

[Panteracer]

Ron,
I always wondered how much the ends effect the wing?
I see some with a lot above the wing and others with most
of the end below the wing... I guess if you look at the F1 cars
now they are adding louvers etc in the ends

I have changed the ends on my Pantera several times but
mostly for looks or holding a number

Bob

[Ron Sutton]

Ron,
I always wondered how much the ends effect the wing?
I see some with a lot above the wing and others with most
of the end below the wing... I guess if you look at the F1 cars
now they are adding louvers etc in the ends

I have changed the ends on my Pantera several times but
mostly for looks or holding a number

Bob

Hey Bob, good question.

The end plates on wings play a HUGE role in grip. The actually do two key things. First ... they ensure the airflow over the wing ... out near the ends ... doesn't simply roll over the sides. If the airflow did ... the downforce on the wing would be 20-25% less.

Second, the end plates create "side force". This is not talked about much in "car guy" circles. But side force is a big goal & part of the conversation in racing. Depending on the size of the end plates ... we can generate anywhere from 60# or 300# & more of side force at the rear of the car. This helps the car have more grip on corner entry, so we can drive the car in deeper, faster & brake later ... making us quicker of course. But sideforce doesn't add tire grip in the traditional sense like downforce does by loading the tires. Side force is creating a resistance to the back of the car coming around (getting loose).

Most of us understand g-forces from cornering speeds are pushing the car towards the outside of the corner. Side force is simply airflow pushing back ... on the wing sideplates. This gives us more rear grip ... but by reducing the g-force push with side force push back. This is why all racing sanctioning bodies that allow wings ... control the size of the end plates ... as much as the size of the wing itself.

[Ron Sutton]

More photos with update on the Track-Warrior roll cage structure ... and first glimpse of the backbone structure we use in our GT & TA Track-Warriors.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151321&d=1522939413

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151322&d=1522939438

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151323&d=1522939477

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151324&d=1522939571

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151325&d=1522939604

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151326&d=1522939625

We now offer a tool we call the Scholl Fixture, named after Craig Scholl that gave us the idea when he created his own. In these photos, you can see how we use it to place the slant top boss that welds top the roll cage bars. This insures the boss, and the jack screw that threads into it, is parallel with the shock at ride height. The tool is adjustable in height for any shock height we use. The rubber donut on it is 3.5" OD ... the same as the OD of coil over springs ... so we can check for & maximize clearance before we weld it in. While we have these tools for sale in our Catalog HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=384)... we "loan" these to our clients that buy Track-Warrior clips to insure they weld the adjustable shock mounts in true.

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151327&d=1522939943

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=151328&d=1522939954

[1965_SS]

Such an awesome car!
Maybe I'll get to see it at Thunder Hill sometime.

[Panteracer]

Ron,
Just noticing in the pictures that the anchor points for the upper and
actually lower a-arms are slotted. There seems to be a labeled washer
or insert that you can move the a-arm anchoring points up or down in
the slot. I assume this is a piece that holds the anchoring bolt to a
certain height... are there different height inserts or are you just sliding
the anchor bolt up and down??

I ask this because someone else doing a second gen was moving his lower anchor points up or down based on info you gave him by welding a washer
in at a certain height... seems like the race cars with slotted anchor points
let you adjust this with the slot or inserts.. kinda of a trick thing if I am
thinking right

Bob

[Ron Sutton]

Ron,
Just noticing in the pictures that the anchor points for the upper and
actually lower a-arms are slotted. There seems to be a labeled washer
or insert that you can move the a-arm anchoring points up or down in
the slot. I assume this is a piece that holds the anchoring bolt to a
certain height... are there different height inserts or are you just sliding
the anchor bolt up and down??

I ask this because someone else doing a second gen was moving his lower anchor points up or down based on info you gave him by welding a washer
in at a certain height... seems like the race cars with slotted anchor points
let you adjust this with the slot or inserts.. kinda of a trick thing if I am
thinking right

Bob

Great question Bob!

On our Track-Warrior front clips ... all 4 versions ... the LCA & UCA brackets have slots for our slugs. When I designed each of these front suspensions, I made them so we can build them "semi-custom" for each customer, with different ride heights, frame widths, etc. I placed the slots in a location that allows me use precision slugs to optimize each semi-custom front frame & suspension.

The precision slugs are on page 188 of our catalog HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=188). We have "0" slugs to put the LCA or UCA pivot in the center, and then offset slugs every 1/16" ... up to .250". This allows me to dial in the exact roll center, camber gain, anti-dive, etc I want on each front suspension.

When we're correcting the geometry in a factory frame or front clip, I don't use the slugs. It is so hard to get them right ... when we make changes ... I don't want the lower pivots to be adjusted or moved after I've nailed down where they go. So in these cases, I prefer & recommend we simply weld thick, hardened washers to the outsides of the LCA buckets ... in the correct location ... and call it good.

[Panteracer]

Thanks Ron
Now I am understanding some of the thought process

Bob

[DBasher]

Just sayin....

[Ron Sutton]

Just sayin....

Dan Basher = :stirthepot:
Me = :lmao:
The Lateral-G Gang :ohsnap:
Mike Tolle Welding the Headers up Today = :welder:
Rob Dickey = :popcorn2:
Greg Weld = :thumbsup:
Randy Chastain ... :whenitsdone: = :hapdance:
All of us on June 28th at Thunderhill = :cheers:

[one-off customs]

Thought I would update some pics of the mustang, the backbone, trans mount and the header configuration on the pass side. Its TIGHT but Mike Tolle is doing an awesome job.[ATTACH]65414

[DBasher]

What’s going on here? I understand the mount for the lift cylinder, what is the lil doodad next to it?

[57hemicuda]

I would guess that's a raceway for fuel/brake line and wiring that is snaked inside the perimeter chassis

[Ron Sutton]

What’s going on here? I understand the mount for the lift cylinder, what is the lil doodad next to it?

I would guess that's a raceway for fuel/brake line and wiring that is snaked inside the perimeter chassis

Ron is on the right track.

But we don't run wires or brake lines through it. We run the 2 #8 fuel lines (Supply & Return) as well as the #6 air line for the Air Jax. Running the fuel lines in the frame is simply better protection. We use 1-3/4" mandrel bent tubing at each end of the frame rail to curve the hoses up & in ... the way we want ... to make sure they stay away from dangerous stuff.

The wiring is ran under the floor in a 1" open space between the bracing structure & the belly pan. The brake lines use special Stainless AN #3 bulkhead fittings to also route through the front dog legs & rear 2x3 crossmember ... and into the 1" open space between the bracing structure & the belly pan.

[DBasher]

Ron is on the right track.
We run the 2 #8 fuel lines (Supply & Return) as well as the #6 air line for the Air Jax. Running the fuel lines in the frame is simply better protection.



I was thinking it might be that but then thought, why would they run fuel lines so close to suspension and a big honkin tire? I’m sure it’ll be protected. :thumbsup:

How are the lines secured inside the rail? :headscratch::sieg:

[Ron Sutton]

I was thinking it might be that but then thought, why would they run fuel lines so close to suspension and a big honkin tire? I’m sure it’ll be protected. :thumbsup:

How are the lines secured inside the rail? :headscratch::sieg:

The fuel lines are kept away from the tires.
The hoses are secured at each end of the tubes.

:cheers:

[DBasher]

The fuel lines are kept away from the tires.
The hoses are secured at each end of the tubes.

:cheers:

Mark your calendars....shortest Sutton answer ever, in the history of ever! :D

Thanks again Ron for sharing all of this. :trophy-1302:

[gofastwclass]

Mark your calendars....shortest Sutton answer ever, in the history of ever! :D

Thanks again Ron for sharing all of this. :trophy-1302:

Someone may have hacked his account, maybe we should check on him and see if he's ok. :confused59: :)

Seriously I believe that is the simplest question Ron has ever answered since I've seen any of his posts.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Dan Basher = :stirthepot:
Me = :lmao:
The Lateral-G Gang :ohsnap:
Mike Tolle Welding the Headers up Today = :welder:
Rob Dickey = :popcorn2:
Greg Weld = :thumbsup:
Randy Chastain ... :whenitsdone: = :hapdance:
All of us on June 28th 2019 at Thunderhill = :cheers:
FIFY :peepwall:

[DBasher]

I'll clear my calendar...
:flag2::thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

3 step headers --- Nice clean simple - this should do nicely!



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[Spiffav8]

Looking good my friend. :popcorn2:

[214Chevy]

Looking good my friend. :popcorn2:

Indeed...

[Matt@BOS]

Awesome! Definitely a cool build to watch come together!

[GregWeld]

Awesome! Definitely a cool build to watch come together!



Thanks Matt!!!



Hey!! Make ya a deal on that White Big Wing car for your rental fleet.... Take that blower off and let it be your lower HP option. :trophy-1302:

[Matt@BOS]

Thanks Matt!!!



Hey!! Make ya a deal on that White Big Wing car for your rental fleet.... Take that blower off and let it be your lower HP option. :trophy-1302:

Thanks Greg, but...

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/50925057/no-thanks-ive-already-got-one.jpg

I'll make you a deal on a car that's just like Big Wing, but without the big wing, and supercharger. Its my dad's go to rental car (don't tell him I mentioned getting rid of it).

[Ron Sutton]

Great seeing you today Greg !!!

For those following along, Greg talked Gwen into driving him on a 20 hour round trip for a 2 hour seat-pedal-steering-switches fitting.

Gwen was being a trooper though !

[preston]

You're building him a super duper race car and he can't drive ?

[Ron Sutton]

You're building him a super duper race car and he can't drive ?

Hey Preston. Greg is Superman. He is battling cancer again with a THC/CBD treatment. He kicked cancer's ass before with this.

He'll be done with his treatment before we test the new car at the end of June.

[gofastwclass]

Best wishes Greg, go kick some @$$!

[GregWeld]

Great to see you and Randy yesterday Ron! Always fun to share a few laughs.
The car is STELLAR!! OMG!! Even Gwen thought it was cool.


Those kinds of road trips are what memories are made of..... Gwen and I have many of them over the 45+ years we've been together. Got home at midnight last night.... I'm up and having coffee and in a bit I'm going to jump in my brand new pick up and make a 6 hour round trip to Boise and back... run some clean fuel thru it.

It's only allowed in this thread because it's the tow rig for this build.....


Thank you my friend Wes Rydell....




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Great seeing you today Greg !!!

For those following along, Greg talked Gwen into driving him on a 20 hour round trip for a 2 hour seat-pedal-steering-switches fitting.

Gwen was being a trooper though !

[rickpaw]

... Greg is Superman. He is battling cancer again with a THC/CBD treatment. He kicked cancer's ass before with this.

He'll be done with his treatment before we test the new car at the end of June.

Best wishes Greg.

[mfain]

Go get um, Greg. See you on track.

Pappy

[ADY]

Having traveled to Jackson WY several times, I can say the thought of spending the night in a casino in Winnemucca, Elko, or Jackpot vs. my own bed probably gave your wife motivation to drive through the night.

[GregWeld]

Having traveled to Jackson WY several times, I can say the thought of spending the night in a casino in Winnemucca, Elko, or Jackpot vs. my own bed probably gave your wife motivation to drive through the night.



She laughed so hard when I read this to her!! OMG...... And you are EXACTLY SPOT ON!!

We did spend the night in RENO at the Grand Sierra..... which is every bit as bad!!!

We checked in -- got room service -- got up the next morning and beat it out of there. HA! Wouldn't even have breakfast there!

[glassman]

Thank you my friend Wes Rydell....



Super classy people. Glad your doing well, keep strong brother!! Hope to see you at the track soon, but def the GG road tour.....mike

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

I've been so busy with client projects I haven't posted photos for quite awhile. In that time a LOT of progress has taken place on Greg Weld's 70 Fastback Mustang Track-Warrior. Here are a LOT of photos.

Feel free to ask questions about any part of the build.

RR Air Jax shown. The 4 bosses welde to the main hoop are for the battery box. You can see the slotted lower 3-Link mounts. This lets us get the lower links perfectly level for zero rear steer. And we can adjust them up for positive rear steer (turn better on tight corners), or down for counter rear steer (more rear grip on fast sweeping corners).
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152651&d=1526669437

Here you see the whole powertrain inside the tunnel, as well as the exhaust. All of the exhaust will be coated inside & out with Jet-Hot's 2000° thermal barrier coatings to contain the heat inside the exhaust, where it needs to be, while protecting the transmission & driver in the cockpit.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152652&d=1526669537

Our Slotted steering column mount lets us place the steering column in the best location. We use 3 u-joints in our columns. One at the rack, the second you see to the right of the mount & a third, just inside the firewall. This allows us to make the steering column "tilt" inside the cockpit to driver preference, without affecting the mounting location in the engine bay.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152653&d=1526669767


http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152654&d=1526669799

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152655&d=1526669834

The RSRT tabs on the front of the monster 2.5" OD sway bar tube hold either 2" or 3" poly bushings for the radiator to sit in. The bracket with the 10 little holes will mount the front end "receiver" ... and can be adjusted up or down after install.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152656&d=1526669872

There are something like 72 lightweight Dzus fastener tabs on the bottom side of the chassis to mount the smooth belly pan & diffuser.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152657&d=1526669933

Just mocking up steel floor panels after the pedals are all in place.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152658&d=1526669957

Every shop needs a "Shop Dog". Layla is the most "chill" dog ever.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152659&d=1526670019

The aluminum panel INSIDE the cockpit is rubber mounted to insulate the ECU & other electronics from NVH. The two light tabs in the upper right mount the ARE dry sump breather. The 4 below ... two on the cross tube & two on the frame that are hard to see ... mount the ARE 2.7 gallon dry sump tank.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152660&d=1526670056

Passenger side cockpit
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152661&d=1526670083

Pedals (Brake & Clutch are Wilwood) Throttle is a GM Corvette DBW
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152662&d=1526670132

Battery Box installed. We use a zinc "removable" battery box because ...
1. Zinc will "resist" battery corrosion longer than paint or powder coat
2. Eventually, it will corrode & look like crap ... and a new one can be bolted in.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152663&d=1526670181

More to come.

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Greg Weld came & sit in the car for a seat, belt, pedal, switches, fire handle, steering & shifter fitting.


The man, the myth, the legend that is Greg Weld. LOL
In all seriousness, it was great to see Greg. For those that don't know, he is battling cancer ... again ... in a different area.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152677&d=1526671062

Fitting went well. We work out seat position first ... relative to the pedals. Then we dialed in the steering wheel location ... switches, fire pull handle, shifter, etc.

The orange thingy in the upper left is the Air Jax "Wand". You push it into the fitting to lift the car. Then tap it & pull it out to lower the car. This particular system is my favorite, because it uses Big Bore jacks. That let's us utilize lower nitrogen pressures. 150 psi lifts a 2900# car. 200 psi lifts a 3850# car. 250 psi lifts a 4800# car.

In this photo, you can also see the fire suppression bottle & the FAST driver cooling system to provide cool water to the driver's cool suit & cool air to the driver's helmet. Anyone that has done this knows the cockpit can be 40° hotter than the air temperature on track days. Keeping the driver cool ... to be safe, drive better & have more fun ... costs about $1500.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152678&d=1526671080

Two things have saved more lives than ANY other safety device in the last 20 years ... HANS devices & full containment seats like you see here.

This one is a heavy duty ButlerBuilt road race seat spec'd by me, with head & shoulder supports (to prevent injury/death in side impacts) and set back headrest (to provide room for HANS). Best protection available for $899. See them HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=278).
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152679&d=1526671115

You can't see the 4 slotted brackets we use on the chassis to allow the seat to be moved fore or aft by loosening & re-tightening the bolts. This does require a new rear seat support to be made, as we don't slot those typically.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152680&d=1526671148

[Ron Sutton]

More build update photos ...

Feel free to ask questions about any part of the build.

NiCopp brake lines go through frame with special 2" long bulkheads.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152664&d=1526670258

You can see all the triangulation & braces in the engine bay. Most folks don't realize this is where the most force & flex happens. When this area is rigid ... the tires see the FULL load of the force & create optimum grip. Any deflection is this area REDUCES tire loading & grip.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152665&d=1526670309

Body bolted to the chassis just for mock up.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152666&d=1526670367

If you pay close attention to the body mods, you can see how aero smooth this body is & how clean the airflow is over the roof & too the massive rear wing we'll run.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152667&d=1526670392

Firewall mock up, before stepping the sheetmetal. Firewall, floor & rear bilkhead are are STEEL, for increased fire protection. We seal every seam with a special fire retardant 3M product.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152668&d=1526670430

Dash mock up. (It will be capped on the ends & mount to the final X door bars once they are installed).
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152669&d=1526670494

Firewall sheet metal in place.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152670&d=1526670525

More firewall sheet metal.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152671&d=1526670558

Interior sheet metal showing the trans tunnel.
Notice the U-shaped tube that the steering column mount clamps to.
This clamp is easy to adjust to move the steering column/wheel up or down.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152672&d=1526670584

Rear bulkhead sheet metal & rear deck sheet metal being mocked up.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152673&d=1526670624

Different angle
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152674&d=1526670660

Basic dash before Autometer digital dash & style added.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152675&d=1526670690

Better angle of rear deck sheet metal.
The three tabs on the right are for the seat & harness mounts
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152676&d=1526670721

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Even MORE photos of the build.

Custom Headers & Exhaust here ...
* The headers & compete exhaust will be coated by Jet-Hot with their 2000° thermal barrier INSIDE & out. This provides a double layer of thermal barrier to keep the exhaust heat in the exhaust, and much less heat radiating to the transmission & cockpit.



http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152681&d=1526672097

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The headers & exhaust are a truly "Tuned" System. I utilized an exhaust flow program that allows us to input every variable about the engine, cam, etc ... and know where the "pulses" are. This system allows me to design headers with the optimum primary tube length & diameter. In this case, these are 3-step headers. With the initial tube size 1-3/4", then steps up to 1-7/8" & finally steps up to 2" before merging into 3-1/2" collectors. The program provides me with the optimum length for each step.

In the exhaust after the collectors ... which is also 3-1/2" ... the software program allows me to put the X pipes, H-pipes, mufflers, venturi collectors and/or diffuser cones in the optimum locations. Frankly ifthese are put in the wrong location, based on where the exhaust pulses are, any of these can hurt power, instead of help it.
* I saw a car one time with the X-over pipe in the exact wrong location. When they removed it & just ran straight tube, they picked up 45HP. That's how much power can be lost if the pulses run into each other at the wrong location.

We use diffuser cones in the exhaust to help reduce the sound dramatically. Many tracks have db limits these days. If it placed at the right location, there is no power loss. Sometimes, even a slight power increase.

[jarhead]

Very cool

[ur-n-8]

Wow.. speechless.

[FETorino]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

Greg Weld came & sit in the car for a seat, belt, pedal, switches, fire handle, steering & shifter fitting.


The man, the myth, the legend that is Greg Weld. LOL
In all seriousness, it was great to see Greg. For those that don't know, he is battling cancer ... again ... in a different area.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152677&d=1526671062

Fitting went well. We work out seat position first ... relative to the pedals. Then we dialed in the steering wheel location ... switches, fire pull handle, shifter

This one is a heavy duty ButlerBuilt road race seat spec'd by me, with head & shoulder supports (to prevent injury/death in side impacts) and set back headrest (to provide room for HANS). Best protection available for $899. See them HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=278).
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152679&d=1526671115

You can't see the 4 slotted brackets we use on the chassis to allow the seat to be moved fore or aft by loosening & re-tightening the bolts. This does require a new rear seat support to be made, as we don't slot those typically.
http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152680&d=1526671148

I love the Butler seat I bought from Ron. It is the best piece of equipment in my car, hands down!

I am a little concerned about the fitment of the seat in this car. It looks like the seat should be narrower in the hips, wider in the shoulders and much farther back from the pedals. :rolleyes::lmao:

[Ron Sutton]

I love the Butler seat I bought from Ron. It is the best piece of equipment in my car, hands down!

I am a little concerned about the fitment of the seat in this car. It looks like the seat should be narrower in the hips, wider in the shoulders and much farther back from the pedals. :rolleyes::lmao:

You are so funny. :popcorn2:

[Build-It-Break-it]

Hey Ron, It looks like the rear lower control arm mounts are slotted? How does that set up work and what purpose does the adjustability serve? Excuse my ignorance......

[DBasher]

The lowers are fully adjustable....not needed for the top mount? I’ve been taught (by you) everything in Ron’s world is adjustable....this, changes, everything.🙃

Thank you for sharing all of this, it’s not everyday I get to see what goes into building a car at this level.
:thumbsup::flag2:

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Ron, It looks like the rear lower control arm mounts are slotted? How does that set up work and what purpose does the adjustability serve? Excuse my ignorance......

Hey Ahmad ! Most people outside of racing don't know why we do it.

By the way, we only slot the front lower link mounts on the crossmember. The lowers are pushing under acceleration, so the slot is not at risk of pulling out. The forces under decel are not as hard on it. We slot them to get the lower links perfectly level with the car at the desired ride height & rake. When the lower link are level (regardless of upper link angle) the car has zero rear steer during roll. That's how we start all of our clients.

Then if they need a little extra help turning on some crazy tight AX courses, They can adjust the front of the links up some ... creating "positive rear steer" ... and helping the car to turn better. This is at a cost of some rear grip under throttle, so we don't want to do it if it's not needed. On road courses, or super fast open road races like Silver State, Big Bend (which our client Tom Whelen won both at 204 & 205 mph averages) we can do the opposite. By lowering the front of the lower links, we're creating "negative steer" ... which adds rear grip the faster you go through corners. The downside is it doesn't turn tight as well.

So the slots are just a tuning tool to make sure we're neutral rear steer, positive or counter ... as we need.

P.S. ALL RSRT 3-Links & Torque Arms come with these slotted brackets for the lower links.

[Ron Sutton]

The lowers are fully adjustable....not needed for the top mount? I’ve been taught (by you) everything in Ron’s world is adjustable....this, changes, everything.��

Thank you for sharing all of this, it’s not everyday I get to see what goes into building a car at this level.
:thumbsup::flag2:

Too funny.

Frankly, in the lower links, we usually just level them & forget them. We only adjust the fronts to change rear steer when needed. See my answer above to Ahmad's question.

On the Decoupled 3-link, I've found we like the Decel link (the top one that is a double adjustable gas shock) around 15°. I hate to say this, but it IS a RONCO oven. Set it ... and forget it. The angle anyway. We do fine tune the shock valving with knobs on the console. When the driver is on the straights, they can reach down & grab a handful of rear grip (or less grip). One knob fine tunes rear grip on corner entry. The other knob fine tunes rear grip on corner exit.

Now the Accel link ... the lower of the V-link assembly ... gets fine tuned often. That's why we don't use HOLES in brackets. Too coarse of a change. That steel jack screw assembly the Accel link is bolted to on the chassis goes up or down 4" ... with the turn of a knob. It's just behind the main hoop, in the cockpit, so it's NOT adjusted on track. We call this our "Quik-Tune" assembly because it takes seconds to adjust it. We simply adjust it down (clockwise) for more rear corner exit grip ... and up (counter clockwise)for less.

Other than the setup we put on the car in the shop ... without changing any parts on the car ... we have a total of 20 areas of quick, easy, track tuning ... 14 in the rear & 6 in the front. So your world is safe big guy !!!

[carbuff]

Hey Ahmad ! Most people outside of racing don't know why we do it.

By the way, we only slot the front lower link mounts on the crossmember. The lowers are pushing under acceleration, so the slot is not at risk of pulling out. The forces under decel are not as hard on it. We slot them to get the lower links perfectly level with the car at the desired ride height & rake. When the lower link are level (regardless of upper link angle) the car has zero rear steer during roll. That's how we start all of our clients.

Then is they need a little extra help turning on some crazy tight AX courses, They can adjust the front of the links up some ... creating "positive rear steer" ... and helping the car to turn better. This is at a cost of some rear grip under throttle, so we don't want to do it if it's not needed. On road courses, or super fast open road races like Silver State, Big Bend (which our client Tom Whelen won both at 204 & 205 mph averages) we can do the opposite. By lowering the front of the lower links, we're creating "negative steer" ... which adds rear grip the faster you go through corners. The downside is it doesn't turn tight as well.

So the slots are just a tuning tool to make sure we're neutral rear steer, positive or counter ... as we need.

P.S. ALL RSRT 3-Links & Torque Arms come with these slotted brackets for the lower links.



Hey Ron,

I actually read Ahmad's question as referring to the rear link on the FRONT LCA that is slotted. I'll try to link the correct image below. Even if that wasn't his question, I am curious about why you do that. :)

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=152653&d=1526669767

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Ron,

I actually read Ahmad's question as referring to the rear link on the FRONT LCA that is slotted. I'll try to link the correct image below. Even if that wasn't his question, I am curious about why you do that. :)



Good question. Bob asked a little while back, so I posted the answer to his question on page 16 in post #151. (Go HERE (http://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56209&page=16))

I am copying it here again.

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Ron,
Just noticing in the pictures that the anchor points for the upper and
actually lower a-arms are slotted. There seems to be a labeled washer
or insert that you can move the a-arm anchoring points up or down in
the slot. I assume this is a piece that holds the anchoring bolt to a
certain height... are there different height inserts or are you just sliding
the anchor bolt up and down??

I ask this because someone else doing a second gen was moving his lower anchor points up or down based on info you gave him by welding a washer
in at a certain height... seems like the race cars with slotted anchor points
let you adjust this with the slot or inserts.. kinda of a trick thing if I am
thinking right

Bob

Great question Bob!

On our Track-Warrior front clips ... all 4 versions ... the LCA & UCA brackets have slots for our slugs. When I designed each of these front suspensions, I made them so we can build them "semi-custom" for each customer, with different ride heights, frame widths, etc. I placed the slots in a location that allows me use precision slugs to optimize each semi-custom front frame & suspension.

The precision slugs are on page 188 of our catalog HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=188). We have "0" slugs to put the LCA or UCA pivot in the center, and then offset slugs every 1/16" ... up to .250". This allows me to dial in the exact roll center, camber gain, anti-dive, etc I want on each front suspension.

When we're correcting the geometry in a factory frame or front clip, I don't use the slugs. It is so hard to get them right ... when we make changes ... I don't want the lower pivots to be adjusted or moved after I've nailed down where they go. So in these cases, I prefer & recommend we simply weld thick, hardened washers to the outsides of the LCA buckets ... in the correct location ... and call it good.

[jlwdvm]

Are you going to have to tweak the DBW pedal and brake pedal to make heel-n-toe easier? I would imagine the Wilwood brake pedal position is adjustable? I have stock 69 F-body pedals and the same DBW pedal. At the moment, my gas pedal is too high when I'm on the brake.

[Ron Sutton]

Are you going to have to tweak the DBW pedal and brake pedal to make heel-n-toe easier? I would imagine the Wilwood brake pedal position is adjustable? I have stock 69 F-body pedals and the same DBW pedal. At the moment, my gas pedal is too high when I'm on the brake.

Heel & Toe? It's a sequential transmission, so no need to heel & toe.

But in any other situation, you'd be right. We always put the pedals where the driver wants.

[jlwdvm]

Maybe I should switch out my T56 Magnum for one of those...it might be easier than modifying my pedals! Speaking of trans, will you do anything to the exhaust pipes that run right along the trans to decrease heat transfer? I'm sure you will be running a trans cooler, but that looks like it would fry the trans.

[Blake Foster]

Maybe I should switch out my T56 Magnum for one of those...it might be easier than modifying my pedals! Speaking of trans, will you do anything to the exhaust pipes that run right along the trans to decrease heat transfer? I'm sure you will be running a trans cooler, but that looks like it would fry the trans.

yea that trans was only 25,000.00 plus all the install.

[gofastwclass]

Maybe I should switch out my T56 Magnum for one of those...it might be easier than modifying my pedals! Speaking of trans, will you do anything to the exhaust pipes that run right along the trans to decrease heat transfer? I'm sure you will be running a trans cooler, but that looks like it would fry the trans.

yea that trans was only 25,000.00 plus all the install.


What a bargain!

I actually looked up the sequential shift T-56 when it was first mentioned in this build and thought I read the price incorrectly until I saw it several times on their site. :hairpullout: :hairpullout:

For my budget I'll be breaking out the fabrication tools. :superhack:

[Ron Sutton]

Maybe I should switch out my T56 Magnum for one of those...it might be easier than modifying my pedals! Speaking of trans, will you do anything to the exhaust pipes that run right along the trans to decrease heat transfer? I'm sure you will be running a trans cooler, but that looks like it would fry the trans.

The headers & exhaust system are all double coated (inside & outside) by Jet-Hot with their 2000° thermal barrier. It's the only way we can do this.

[carbuff]

On our Track-Warrior front clips ... all 4 versions ... the LCA & UCA brackets have slots for our slugs. When I designed each of these front suspensions, I made them so we can build them "semi-custom" for each customer, with different ride heights, frame widths, etc. I placed the slots in a location that allows me use precision slugs to optimize each semi-custom front frame & suspension.



I read that as the slugs aren't for tuning then, they are to allow you to reuse the design in various applications. Once you have determined the desired mount height, you choose slugs and never change them again. Am I interpreting that correctly?

[Ron Sutton]

I read that as the slugs aren't for tuning then, they are to allow you to reuse the design in various applications. Once you have determined the desired mount height, you choose slugs and never change them again. Am I interpreting that correctly?

Sort of. But a little off track.

I have my design so refined, it only takes small changes ... like 1/16" or 1/8" changes at a pivot point, or ball joint studs .100" taller or shorter ... to achieve any setup I want.

This allows me to optimize a front clip for Aaron Oberle that wants a ride height of 5.5" at the firewall ... and another client that wants a 4" ride height.

This also allows those clients to "change their mind" about their car. Aaron could decide he wants to drop the car 1" all around. If he called & told me, I'd tell him what the ride height change did to the geometry. And if he wanted to optimize the car for that height ... which slugs to change.

Another thing is the car owner's priority. I set up Aaron Oberle's AXT front clip to be optimum for larger autocross courses, like SCCA, CAM, Optima, etc. If Aaron decided he wanted to change & run only GoodGuys AX (tiny courses) ... or change and only run the car on road course track days, with small slug changes we could optimize his car to be the best at whatever he chooses to do.

So it's not that the car owner will never change it. They may, or may not. It simply allows them to optimize their geometry for whatever ride height or types of track they favor.

Byron, as you have one of my Speedtech Extreme front clips ... and that clip is NOT slugged ... so you know there is only one optimum ride height. The front LCA bolts need to be 8-7/16" from the ground. That is where that geometry ROCKS. The priority is AX, but it works well at road courses too. You can raise or lower your car, but the geometry would be less than optimum.

[carbuff]

As always, thanx for the more detailed explanation. It makes total sense.

Getting my car to 'exactly' the 8 7/16" LCA bolt height is, well, challenging. Move one corner, all the others move. I'm within 1/8" at the moment, and will tune it the rest of the way once all of the weight is on the front of the car...

[Blake Foster]

As always, thanx for the more detailed explanation. It makes total sense.

Getting my car to 'exactly' the 8 7/16" LCA bolt height is, well, challenging. Move one corner, all the others move. I'm within 1/8" at the moment, and will tune it the rest of the way once all of the weight is on the front of the car...

yes it will be a bit of a challenge if you are trying to set the corner weights at the same time, i would start by setting the ride height front and rear level. then scale it with the driver an fuel in it and in reality you should only really have to adjust the driver front and pass rear a small amount.

[Ron Sutton]

yes it will be a bit of a challenge if you are trying to set the corner weights at the same time, i would start by setting the ride height front and rear level. then scale it with the driver an fuel in it and in reality you should only really have to adjust the driver front and pass rear a small amount.

What he said !

Set ride height & rake first ... then scale.

:gitrdun:

[carbuff]

yes it will be a bit of a challenge if you are trying to set the corner weights at the same time, i would start by setting the ride height front and rear level. then scale it with the driver an fuel in it and in reality you should only really have to adjust the driver front and pass rear a small amount.

Not trying to hijack Ron's thread, but no I'm not trying to set corner weights yet. Just trying to set ride heights. I have never been able to adjust height at just a single corner independent from the others, and I think that is expected. So trying to determine which corners to turn to adjust a single corner is challenging.

If you have a resource with tips, I'm all ears/eyes. Ron has told me how to adjust corner weights before, but getting the ride height correct always proves to be a challenge to me...

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Everyone! Two Quick Announcements


1. I'm outta here for 10 days. Going on my annual family vacation. This year we're in Yosemite with NO cell service! :)
* So I won't be posting on here or answering questions until after I get back June 4th.

2. Ron Sutton Race Technology is having a huge sale. I call this one: The Boss is Gone on Vacation Sale !
We only hold a "SALE" twice a year. Once during the end of year Holidays ... and once RIGHT NOW - May 23 to June 1st
* Dave Hanson & Susan Kinnicutt are Handling the Big Sale while I'm Gone.

#1 - FREE SHIPPING on EVERYTHING in our Catalog during this sale ! Save $100's if not $1000+
#2 - Plus - Free 2018 Ron Sutton Workshop Ticket (Regular $349) with any purchase over $1500
#3 - RSRT Bonus Bucks to Spend on ANYTHING in our Catalog !!! (See each item for amount)

See ALL the Sale Specials HERE (http://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56518).
See Online Catalog HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=1).

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If you need anything while I'm gone, contact ...

Dave Hanson (Sales Manager)
844-722-3832 Ext 1
[email protected]

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844-722-3832 Ext 3 (Only while I'm gone)
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[Vegas69]

Not trying to hijack Ron's thread, but no I'm not trying to set corner weights yet. Just trying to set ride heights. I have never been able to adjust height at just a single corner independent from the others, and I think that is expected. So trying to determine which corners to turn to adjust a single corner is challenging.

If you have a resource with tips, I'm all ears/eyes. Ron has told me how to adjust corner weights before, but getting the ride height correct always proves to be a challenge to me...

It's a lot of work to dial it in dead nuts. Optimally, you are mid stroke on all four shocks and then corner weight it. Invariably, you won't like your stance after corner weighting as it will not sit square anymore. Do you want max performance or max stance? You can't have both. Isn't that life...:D

[carbuff]

The static heights on the rear of TOW are never level. I presume there is some side to side variation in the sheetmetal as compared to the suspension points. So I do my best to get the front to the right heights, and Ron requested that I get the rear trailing arms level to the ground. I'll do that, and the fender heights will be what they will be.

From what I recall (it's been a year since I've done this), Ron told me how to adjust the coilovers at opposing corners to move weight around with really altering the height at each corner. That's what I have done before with reasonable results. Once I get all of the weight on the car, that is my plan...

Next battle is getting alignment right such that the car will drive straight. ;)

[rustomatic]

Just a note back on topic: After crawling all over a new Trans Am Camaro racer at Sonoma today, it is easy to see how this build, frame and everything, is quite similar--this is a compliment, as the chassis on the spec racer, according to the owner, was built by Howe. The Sutton version is just more exotic and probably a lot more fun (read: potentially way faster) to drive (when it's done). What's funny is that on a cost basis, the bespoke (for Greg or other people) Sutton version seems like a considerable bargain when put up against a spec Trans Am racer . . .

[GregWeld]

A group from Lat G spent a few days at Performance Racing Industries show (PRI) in Indy last December..... of course I was in the throws of picking the few parts I get to on the ' 70.... and we spent considerable time looking at all the other chassis and car builders and their offerings....


Yeah ---- I'll take my RSRT car.

[FETorino]

It’s ok Greg. I remember trying to get some good BBQ and Brian hijacking the trip.:stirthepot::lmao:

[GregWeld]

It’s ok Greg. I remember trying to get some good BBQ and Brian hijacking the trip.:stirthepot::lmao:

Git ya sum!!!!

https://saltlickbbq.com/

[carbuff]

Git ya sum!!!!

https://saltlickbbq.com/

:lostmarbles::smiley_smack:

[GregWeld]

:lostmarbles::smiley_smack:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Oh Bryan ---- it's always the one little thing that a group of guys glom on to and won't let it go. It's almost like it becomes "the theme". LOL

[carbuff]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Oh Bryan ---- it's always the one little thing that a group of guys glom on to and won't let it go. It's almost like it becomes "the theme". LOL

It makes me feel loved. ;)

[Ron Sutton]

Just a note back on topic: After crawling all over a new Trans Am Camaro racer at Sonoma today, it is easy to see how this build, frame and everything, is quite similar--this is a compliment, as the chassis on the spec racer, according to the owner, was built by Howe. The Sutton version is just more exotic and probably a lot more fun (read: potentially way faster) to drive (when it's done). What's funny is that on a cost basis, the bespoke (for Greg or other people) Sutton version seems like a considerable bargain when put up against a spec Trans Am racer . . .


Thanks for the kind comments.

Greg Weld's Track Warrior will be quicker than a Trans Am 2 car, but not as quick as a Trans Am car. The chassis, downforce, suspension & overall grip would be equal to a TA car, but the 700hp is the limiting factor. Today's Trans Am cars are making north of 850hp.

Greg wanted a tame LS7 ... and 700hp is the lowest power version of LS7 I offer. We have them up to 900hp, but as you can imagine, those engines come with a lot of maintenance requirements. Besides, this thing will be a beast with 700HP.

---------------------------

I just returned from my 10 day vacation in Yosemite. I'll jump on here Monday & post some updates & some dyno sheets.

:relax:

[GregWeld]

I didn't grow up winning go kart races at 13..... I'm old..... I didn't start doing this crap until I bought Old Yeller..... and that was a mere 7 years ago. 700 HP is all I'm going to sneak up on right now. When I can drive this SOB to new track records..... then maybe I'll add some more gasoline to it.

[FETorino]

I didn't grow up winning go kart races at 13..... I'm old..... I didn't start doing this crap until I bought Old Yeller..... and that was a mere 7 years ago. 700 HP is all I'm going to sneak up on right now. When I can drive this SOB to new track records..... then maybe I'll add some more gasoline to it.

Whaat?

Everyone knows you need max hp right out of the gate to be fast. Quitter. :stirthepot:

[rustomatic]

I was indeed referring to a TA 2 car--I know nothing about actual racing classes and whatnot. What I thought was cool about the the engine setup--basically an LS3--was that they were using an LS truck (bread box) intake, and they still had MAF running. Supposedly, it was limited to 500 horses, per series rules, but the cam chop seemed to indicate other possibilities. The truck intake and 15-inch wheels (1.25 inch-thick rotors) were interesting, but I have low standards . . .

Here's looking forward to more build updates.

Thanks for the kind comments.

Greg Weld's Track Warrior will be quicker than a Trans Am 2 car, but not as quick as a Trans Am car. The chassis, downforce, suspension & overall grip would be equal to a TA car, but the 700hp is the limiting factor. Today's Trans Am cars are making north of 850hp.

Greg wanted a tame LS7 ... and 700hp is the lowest power version of LS7 I offer. We have them up to 900hp, but as you can imagine, those engines come with a lot of maintenance requirements. Besides, this thing will be a beast with 700HP.

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I just returned from my 10 day vacation in Yosemite. I'll jump on here Monday & post some updates & some dyno sheets.

:relax:

[Flash68]

I didn't grow up winning go kart races at 13.....

LOL... now that's funny right there. :peepwall:

[GregWeld]

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[Ron Sutton]

Whaat?

Everyone knows you need max hp right out of the gate to be fast. Quitter. :stirthepot:

Says the guy with 3xx hp. :poke: :lol:

[Ron Sutton]

This dyno sheet is Greg's engine. It is our "Track Warrior 3 LS7".

http://www.pro-touring.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=153131&d=1528125184

You can see a detailed list of all the internal components in our catalog HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=316).

Three things should stand out ...
1. The build components are almost overkill for "only" 700hp. That's to increase longevity.
2. The ARE dry sump is simply the best dry sump & best protection for the engine in a car with high G's.
3. The power curve is relatively "linear" which makes these engines easier to drive fast.

A few other notes:
A. The "dead on" dyno at Scoggin-Dickey shows 707hp. It will make 8-11 more horsepower once we we change the oil from Driven BR break-in Oil to Driven LS oil.
B. We did NOT dyno the engine with step headers. If we did the top end power would be the same, but the power band from 2500 to 6000 would show higher & even flatter.
C. Greg's headers are the RSRT "tuned" Step Headers ... 1-3/4" to 1-7/8" to 2.0" and will have more power from 2500 to 6000 than the dyno curve shows & be even flatter.
D. This same engine with the very basic, single stage GM OEM LS7 dry sump makes about 15 less HP.
E. The happy window power curve on this particular Track-Warrior engine is 2500-7500rpm on track.

Front end, hood & doors mount this week. Powertrain next week. Still on track to track test June 28th. :)

:cheers:

[ironworks]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Oh Bryan ---- it's always the one little thing that a group of guys glom on to and won't let it go. It's almost like it becomes "the theme". LOL

Funny I told that story to an employee this morning that is moving there in the fall and wants to go check it out.

I told him I heard it wasn't that good and the line is too long.

[Vegas69]

Looks perfect to me!:)

[carbuff]

Funny I told that story to an employee this morning that is moving there in the fall and wants to go check it out.

I told him I heard it wasn't that good and the line is too long.

Hope he listened. ;)

[Flash68]

Funny I told that story to an employee this morning that is moving there in the fall and wants to go check it out.

I told him I heard it wasn't that good and the line is too long.

Hope he listened. ;)

LOL... here we go.

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One-Off Customs

I'm back from my 10-day family vacation in Yosemite. While the awesome crew at SDPC Raceshop & my EFI Guru Scott Clark were wrapping up the LS7 engine ... Randy Chastain at One-Off Customs made a LOT of progress on the car. See photos below!

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[Ron Sutton]

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[GregWeld]

I need to go buy some adult diapers.......

[DBasher]

Front end, hood & doors mount this week. Powertrain next week. Still on track to track test June 28th. :)

:cheers:
[/COLOR]

Ron, it’s proving to be harder than expected to marry into the Weld family and with time running out I’ve decided to send you my resume. As you’ll see I’m extremely qualified...not so much in your line of business but I do adapt quickly. I’ve also taken multiple photography classes during my short stay in high school and feel I would be able to assist in the media side of the business, as well as the Star Girls calendar—Sieg is old and can not be trusted.
I’m available as soon as the 28th, shirt size is an XLT and as long as the hat is for an adult it’ll fit.

Thank you for your consideration.
:action-smiley-027:

[GregWeld]

Poor Basher.........



LOL

[Ron Sutton]

Ron, it’s proving to be harder than expected to marry into the Weld family and with time running out I’ve decided to send you my resume. As you’ll see I’m extremely qualified...not so much in your line of business but I do adapt quickly. I’ve also taken multiple photography classes during my short stay in high school and feel I would be able to assist in the media side of the business, as well as the Star Girls calendar—Sieg is old and can not be trusted.
I’m available as soon as the 28th, shirt size is an XLT and as long as the hat is for an adult it’ll fit.

Thank you for your consideration.
:action-smiley-027:

:ohsnap::rofl::dance::willy:

[Ron Sutton]

Ron, it’s proving to be harder than expected to marry into the Weld family and with time running out I’ve decided to send you my resume. As you’ll see I’m extremely qualified...not so much in your line of business but I do adapt quickly. I’ve also taken multiple photography classes during my short stay in high school and feel I would be able to assist in the media side of the business, as well as the Star Girls calendar—Sieg is old and can not be trusted.
I’m available as soon as the 28th, shirt size is an XLT and as long as the hat is for an adult it’ll fit.

Thank you for your consideration.
:action-smiley-027:

By the way ...

Who were you trying to marry?

If you're in for Greg & offer Gwen something of value ... anything of value ... you may be able to work out a deal. Just sayin'

[Blake Foster]

I need to go buy some adult diapers.......

It is starting to look that way !!! :confused59:

[Panteracer]

Once you set the tire in place the view from the back
makes it perfect... I guess that is what most people will
be seeing on the track:)

Bob

[DBasher]

By the way ...

Who were you trying to marry?

If you're in for Greg & offer Gwen something of value ... anything of value ... you may be able to work out a deal. Just sayin'

I hadn’t thought about him, come to think of it, he did lure me into the toterhome with talk of whiskey and pistolas...er maybe that was Sieg, like I said, he’s not to be trusted.
:lol:

My dearest Greg,

I’m thinking a brown race suit may be your best bet for the new car.
Xoxo
Dan
🙃

[GregWeld]

By the way ...

Who were you trying to marry?

If you're in for Greg & offer Gwen something of value ... anything of value ... you may be able to work out a deal. Just sayin'



Too late --- she's already been gone a week. Seems one of the guys at the construction project down the street had some Snap-On tools a relative left him. So far I've tried the 9/16" box end and it seems to work real well ---- so maybe I got a pretty good deal.

[Ns RS]

Too late --- she's already been gone a week. Seems one of the guys at the construction project down the street had some Snap-On tools a relative left him. So far I've tried the 9/16" box end and it seems to work real well ---- so maybe I got a pretty good deal.

Greg unlike the rest of these yahoos that are easily swayed by your charm & good looks, size of your “tool box”, endless supply of rick Simpson oil and exceptional taste in top notch builders - atleast most of the time, I only like you as a friend...xoxo tell Gwen hi for me )

[Blake Foster]

I love how ALL of your threads just go right off the deep end!!! too funny

[dontlifttoshift]

Too late --- she's already been gone a week. Seems one of the guys at the construction project down the street had some Snap-On tools a relative left him. So far I've tried the 9/16" box end and it seems to work real well ---- so maybe I got a pretty good deal.

:confused59: Todays edition of quote out of context.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-4572848/Man-penis-trapped-wrench-17-hours.html


NOW, it's off the deep end. :drowninga:

[GregWeld]

Greg unlike the rest of these yahoos that are easily swayed by your charm & good looks, size of your “tool box”, endless supply of rick Simpson oil and exceptional taste in top notch builders - atleast most of the time, I only like you as a friend...xoxo tell Gwen hi for me )



Did I send you my special "Christmas" missive you little Crayon eater??

[SSLance]

I don't even want to know how you found that story Donny!!! lol...

Car looks great Ron, love the obligatory "stance" picture of the rear tire.

I can just imagine Greg giggling at every picture he looks at of this build... :D

[Ron Sutton]

Too late --- she's already been gone a week. Seems one of the guys at the construction project down the street had some Snap-On tools a relative left him. So far I've tried the 9/16" box end and it seems to work real well ---- so maybe I got a pretty good deal.

:lmao:

[Ron Sutton]

:confused59: Todays edition of quote out of context.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-4572848/Man-penis-trapped-wrench-17-hours.html


NOW, it's off the deep end. :drowninga:

:king:

[Ns RS]

Did I send you my special "Christmas" missive you little Crayon eater??

So that was you....

[65_LS1_T56]

:confused59: Todays edition of quote out of context.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-4572848/Man-penis-trapped-wrench-17-hours.html


NOW, it's off the deep end. :drowninga:

Did anybody else notice it was a 14mm wrench? :lmao:

[Build-It-Break-it]

Did anybody else notice it was a 14mm wrench? :lmao:

I saw that to and was like wow poor guy.