WELD/SUTTON DIRT MISSILE build

[GregWeld]

Did anybody else notice it was a 14mm wrench? :lmao:



Hi buddy!!


Great catch because I did not pay attention to that..... I just kept asking myself "why".......

[jarhead]

O-M-G
Came here for a race car update...

LMAO!

[57hemicuda]

I am NOT going to make a ricer joker, nor am I going to talk about how 14mm is somewhere between 1/2" and 9/16". The whole thing just makes me hate the metric system even more.

[DBasher]

14mm, it may not be big but at least it’s skinny 😂

[GregWeld]

This is how you build a race car....... go back and check the start date.



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[Build-It-Break-it]

No no no. This is how YOU Greg Weld builds a race car:G-Dub::popcorn2::cheers:

Outstanding

[DBasher]

Fawk that’s mean lookin! You’re definitely going to need the brown suit.
The width makes it look chopped, wicked.

Is it getting wrapped or painted? I forget.
:bigun2:

[Vegas69]

Pretty simple deal: Concrete goal, right people, and plenty of funding. :lol:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[GregWeld]

Fawk that’s mean lookin! You’re definitely going to need the brown suit.
The width makes it look chopped, wicked.

Is it getting wrapped or painted? I forget.
:bigun2:


Wrapped ---- it's a track car, no GoodGuys shows for it!

Ford Triple Yellow and Ford Magnetic stripe

Interior is a light grey powder coat - for cleanliness. I've never liked the flat black in OY.



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[GregWeld]

Pretty simple deal: Concrete goal, right people, and plenty of funding. :lol:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:


I just wanna be faster than Myers C5.......and Rob...... and Dave..... and Andy..... and Chet..... and Pete.... and Big Mike

[FETorino]

I just wanna be faster than Myers C5.......and Rob...... and Dave..... and Andy..... and Chet..... and Pete.... and Big Mike

I’ve read the spec sheet on this build. Me and my 335hp and 3100lbs of AO will just tap out now and save myself the embarrasment. :shakehead:

You should go with the brown suit.

[Flash68]

So you're sayin you're gonna be able to see over the Street Outlaws cowl hood....

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[SSLance]

I don't care about Greg being able to see over the hood...I just want the GoPro to be able to see over the hood...

[DBasher]

How’s about the wheels? I just saw something online about some new forged wheels and started wondering, besides the strength, is the design any kind of consideration for the aero package?

[Ron Sutton]

Fawk that’s mean lookin! You’re definitely going to need the brown suit.
The width makes it look chopped, wicked.

Is it getting wrapped or painted? I forget.
:bigun2:

Wrapped. Yellow with dark gray metallic stripes ... kind of like ol Yeller.

[Ron Sutton]

Wrapped ---- it's a track car, no GoodGuys shows for it!

Ford Triple Yellow and Ford Magnetic stripe

Interior is a light grey powder coat - for cleanliness. I've never liked the flat black in OY.



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Oops! I see Greg posted a sample & details.

[DBasher]

How about the wheel question, you want to take a crack at that?
:flag2::thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

I just wanna be faster than Myers C5.......and Rob...... and Dave..... and Andy..... and Chet..... and Pete.... and Big Mike

I doubt you even need Ol Yeller to be faster than them.

[Ron Sutton]

Pretty simple deal: Concrete goal, right people, and plenty of funding. :lol:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:


You are spot on Todd, as usual.

I will say that the value of what someone gets for the dollar ...
A. A new base model Howe TA2/GT2 race car is $130k ... $160k with upgrades.
A2. A new base model RSRT TA2 Track Warrior is $110K ... $145k with upgrades.
B. A new base RSRT GT Track Warrior is $170K ... $200k with all these upgrades Greg's has.
C. A new base Porsche 911 GT3 Cup car is $213K ... $235 with upgrades
D. A new Ave/Riley Trans Am race car is $330k ... without engine, trans or body. Add $135k to finish it.
E. A new Panoz Esperante GTR-1 is $890K
F. Of course we all know a lot of high end multi-purpose Pro-Touring cars built to run AX & Track can cost up to whatever someone wants to spend.

Both the Howe TA2 (We're a dealer) & the RSRT TT (soon to be called TA2) perform the same. Our TT/TA2 is not legal in the Trans Am series. It is meant to provide TA2 level performance in whatever muscle car body you want ... 69 Camaro, 70's Camaro or Firebird, Chevelle, etc, etc. Depending on Aero, these cars will be capable of 1:53-ish on the 3-mile Thunderhill track with crows nest & 1:43-ish at Sonoma.

For reference, Greg's mean 65 Mustang ... Ol Yeller ... with 245's all around & no aero ... runs 2:04's.

Greg's RSRT GT Track Warrior will be capable of 1:51-ish on the 3-mile Thunderhill track with crows nest & 1:41-ish at Sonoma. I have a handful of local drivers that could do those times, due to their experience. As we know experience in these type of fast cars is a big deal. Greg being a rookie will be several seconds off that, until he gets similar experience. Once Greg is comfortable, our plan is to run him & the car in some NASA TTU events.

Legend for reading the track records below ...
TTU is NASA's Time Attack with unlimited rules!
T1 is the same thing (sort of) for SCCA
GT1 is full Trans Am Cars
GT3 is "lighter" Trans Am style series for Porsche, Corvettes, etc
GTA is equal to TA2
GTP is for highly developed sports race cars like Panoz, Viper, Corvette, etc
PC is Porsche Cup for GT3 Cup cars only.

Take a look at how these cars compare in performance, for the cost to buy one new.

[Ron Sutton]

How’s about the wheels? I just saw something online about some new forged wheels and started wondering, besides the strength, is the design any kind of consideration for the aero package?

No consideration of aero. Just lightness & strength. This may seem like an"unlimited budget" build, but it's not. No carbon fiber wheels here. If you came to me & said build the fastest car on the planet, we'd need $600-700k.

These wheels are 3-piece Forgeline GZ3R competition wheels.
18x13 front & rear. Graphite Powder Coat Centers.

They only weigh 18#. :trophy-1302:

I'll be posting photos, once we mount & install them on the car early next week.

[Ron Sutton]

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One-Off Customs

More progess = more photos ! We're on track with this car for initial testing in 20 days !!!

Steel wheel tubs

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Dash with Autometer Digital Dash system, including data acquisition.

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Front end, hood & doors mock up for fitment
* Reminder: This 70 Fastback is widened 6". 3" per side. Greenhouse (Roof) is factory width.

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[Ron Sutton]

Tilt & Telescoping collapsible safety steering column.

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Here are the StopTech Brakes optimized by Ron Sutton

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[jlwdvm]

For the interior sheet metal work: do you finish welding the joints completely, or use seam sealer between the tack welds?

[Flash68]

Greg's RSRT GT Track Warrior will be capable of 1:51-ish on the 3-mile Thunderhill track with crows nest & 1:41-ish at Sonoma. Greg being a rookie will be several seconds off that

No pressure Greg.

[GregWeld]

No pressure Greg.



I'm going to have to find faster friends......

[Ron Sutton]

For the interior sheet metal work: do you finish welding the joints completely, or use seam sealer between the tack welds?

We think of them as "spot" welds, but yes, we use a seam sealer, specifically 3M Fire Barrier Silicone Sealant 2000+. See it HERE (http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1364200O/3m-fire-barrier-silicone-sealant-2000.pdf).

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[mfain]

Absolutely awesome build! Can't wait to see it on track. ABS? Traction control?

Pappy

[TrackMuscle]

What is the total weight of the car wet with no fuel? And as Pappy asked above, any ABS?

[craig510]

Please keep an eye on the T/C Rods on the lower control arms. The bend in them makes me nervous. They will be under compression under braking which puts a large bending moment on them and they are pre-yielded from the bending process.

With enough wall thickness and yield strength they could be fine but it is something to watch. If you have trouble with your caster alignment changing they could be bending further.

[Ron Sutton]

Absolutely awesome build! Can't wait to see it on track. ABS? Traction control?

Pappy

Hi Pappy. No ABS. No Traction control. The only assist is the "no lift shift" for the sequential gear box. So the Driver has to "drive" it. :)

[Ron Sutton]

What is the total weight of the car wet with no fuel? And as Pappy asked above, any ABS?


If it was a "Race Only Car" we would build everything on the edge of being too light & constantly inspect, repair & replace ... and it would be 2400#. We're building this to be Greg's "Track Car" that he races in NASA's TTU class some. So we built it much more durable ... and safer. It will be about 2600#-2650#.

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

Please keep an eye on the T/C Rods on the lower control arms. The bend in them makes me nervous. They will be under compression under braking which puts a large bending moment on them and they are pre-yielded from the bending process.

With enough wall thickness and yield strength they could be fine but it is something to watch. If you have trouble with your caster alignment changing they could be bending further.

Hey Craig! You are spot on correct. As you know, any time you pre-bend a tube, you make it more susceptible to bending easier. So you have to make it beefier or brace it.

We ran FEA analysis on these arms before we ever made any, just like I do with all my control arms. We build that curved strut (and the main LCA) out of 1.25" OD x .120" wall 4130 tubing. At 1.7G we have a 1.69 safety factor. We have had 1 or 2 DIY customers use .095" DOM, against our advice. They failed. That curved tube HAS to be strong.

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Ya but.......... how are we going to slow it down!?!?! LOL

[Ns RS]

If it was a "Race Only Car" we would build everything on the edge of being too light & constantly inspect, repair & replace ... and it would be 2400#. We're building this to be Greg's "Track Car" that he races in NASA's TTU class some. So we built it much more durable ... and safer. It will be about 2600#-2650#.

:cheers:



So what you’re sayin is if he lays off the cheese balls he’ll even be faster?? :popcorn2:

[Ron Sutton]

So what you’re sayin is if he lays off the cheese balls he’ll even be faster?? :popcorn2:


:lol: Nope. Greg's pretty light these days.

But learning how to drive one of these missiles takes a minute or two. (That's my slang for "awhile") The car will have so much downforce, the grip is amazing in the fast corners. It is confidence inspiring for sure. But the driver has to be smooth with the steering wheel & pedals, or you upset the air.

If the driver upsets the airflow over the car/splitter/wing/etc ... the downforce & grip evaporate for a bit. :drive::brix:

So with high downforce cars you, or in this case Greg, need to work up to the limits a small step at a time. The car will be EASY to drive high 1:50's at Thunderhill (with Crows Nest). Mid 1:50's take concentration, but is still pretty comfortable. Low 1:50's take a lot of experience & skill. The driver has to hit their braking points the same every time, hit their turn in marks exactly the same every time & be smooth as glass with the steering wheel, as well as the throttle & braking.

That simply takes lots of seat time to achieve. Some drivers learn it in a year or two, some ten years & some never.

Most of you know I've worked with some pretty good talent. 413 of my wins were someone other than me driving. Greg has proven to be a very coachable & capable driver. Back when we first worked together in Old Yeller ... it was F&%$ing handful. His buddies were running 2:10's to 2:12's. Old Yeller's rear brakes had more force than the fronts. Greg was running 2:22's without spinning out and trying to go faster led to spin outs.

Once I got the brake bias right, so the car wasn't trying to kill him, he & I worked on his driving. Man! Did he improve a ton in one weekend. Once we fixed the brake bias, Greg worked his way all the way down to 2:08 to 2:10. Now Greg runs 2:04's in the car with improvements we made. 1:50's is another time zone.

Looking forward to our shake down of the Mustang on June 28th. We'll post photos.

[FETorino]

Hey Greg deserves more credit for how hard he has worked at becoming a better driver and how good he actually is after a relatively short time.

OY is one hell of a car but it can be a handful at it’s limits and Greg takes it there often and successfully wheels it.

It’s just that he is such a prick that it’s hard to give him the credit he is due. :lmao:

[57hemicuda]

It’s just that he is such a prick that it’s hard to give him the credit he is due. :lmao:


Pot meet Kettle

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Greg deserves more credit for how hard he has worked at becoming a better driver and how good he actually is after a relatively short time.

OY is one hell of a car but it can be a handful at it’s limits and Greg takes it there often and successfully wheels it.

It’s just that he is such a prick that it’s hard to give him the credit he is due. :lmao:


True

[Ron Sutton]

Pot meet Kettle

Haha. True.

[DBasher]

Haha

[GregWeld]

You're all very kind..... and full of crap.

I'll try not to wreck it.

[Flash68]

RON deserves more credit for how hard he has worked at MAKING GREG a better driver

Fixed that for ya! :action-smiley-027:

[Ns RS]

Hey Greg deserves more credit for how hard he has worked at becoming a better driver and how good he actually is after a relatively short time.

OY is one hell of a car but it can be a handful at it’s limits and Greg takes it there often and successfully wheels it.

It’s just that he is such a prick that it’s hard to give him the credit he is due. :lmao:

Word of the day ”pricken”, use it in a sentence..
Raises hand... “Greg was goin so pricken fast, he spun hard and by the time he stopped, the Torino still wasn’t done.” Ok I’ll show myself out....hangs head in shame....).

[jarhead]

Word of the day ”pricken”, use it in a sentence..
Raises hand... “Greg was goin so pricken fast, he spun hard and by the time he stopped, the Torino still wasn’t done.” Ok I’ll show myself out....hangs head in shame....).

Ouch, lol

[GregWeld]

Word of the day ”pricken”, use it in a sentence..
Raises hand... “Greg was goin so pricken fast, he spun hard and by the time he stopped, the Torino still wasn’t done.” Ok I’ll show myself out....hangs head in shame....).


If I wasn't feeling so terribly poor right now -- that is hysterical and would have had me on the floor.

[Ron Sutton]

Word of the day ”pricken”, use it in a sentence..
Raises hand... “Greg was goin so pricken fast, he spun hard and by the time he stopped, the Torino still wasn’t done.” Ok I’ll show myself out....hangs head in shame....).

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::stirthepot::thumbsup:

:popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

Okay ---- enough of the slow old guy and diaper stocks...... ITS TIME FOR AN UPDATE


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[DWC]

Damn...that's a monster right there!! :thumbsup:

Daniel

[fleet]

Greg,

I’m sorry to read you aren’t feeling well.

Normally people on here like to say “You’re full of it Weld!”

Not today though...

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[SSLance]

It's a roller!!! :trophy-1302:


Dang, hard to say what I'm most impressed by... First probably is the backspace on the front wheels along with the overall width of them. Scrub should be most excellent it appears... Then I guess how it all looks so simple and clean yet is so over engineered and awesome at the same time.

Nice work fellas...

Ready to blow it back apart for powder coating yet?

[Ron Sutton]

It's a roller!!! :trophy-1302:


Dang, hard to say what I'm most impressed by... First probably is the backspace on the front wheels along with the overall width of them. Scrub should be most excellent it appears... Then I guess how it all looks so simple and clean yet is so over engineered and awesome at the same time.

Nice work fellas...

Ready to blow it back apart for powder coating yet?

Good eye Lance! This is a "Zero Scrub" car. So it cuts like a mutha in the tight corners.

The chassis & suspension will get powder coated ... and the body sanded & wrapped ... after our June 28th track test. Then all put back together to run the NorCal Shelby Club Mini Nats August 3-5.

[GregWeld]

Then all put back together to run the NorCal Shelby Club Mini Nats August 3-5.





NOT "mini" Nats this year!! This years SONOMA IS THE NATIONALS!!!


EEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA


Only important really to Mustang/Shelby guys --- but it will be a big Shelby event

[jarhead]

I spy a Torino :lostmarbles:

[GregWeld]

I spy a Torino :lostmarbles:

Yes! That is another Track Warrior car they are building for a customer......

[Ron Sutton]

Okay ---- enough of the slow old guy and diaper stocks...... ITS TIME FOR AN UPDATE



Oh man! You beat me to the punch for posting photos. I have a few duplicates, but I'll post them anyway to add text.

Car Year & Model: 70 Ford Mustang Fastback
Competing in: Track Car & Occasional NASA TTU races
Front Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Rear Clip/Suspension: GT Track-Warrior
Engine: Track-Warrior 3 LS7 700 HP
Trans: PPG Sequential Shift T56 6-Speed
Brakes: StopTech 14” ST60/ST40
Owner: Greg Weld
Builder: Randy Chastain – One Off Customs

More updates & photos ...
Most of the stuff is straight out of our "Build-Your-Own Track-Car Catalog" HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=1)

The RSRT Track-Warrior 3 LS7 built by SDPC Race Shop - Details HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=316)

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PPG Sequential T56 6-speed Trans, built by Joe Dederichs - Details HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=368)

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QuarterMaster Optimum RR Clutch with 2 "Rally" Discs for easier take off - Details HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=370)

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A shot today before Body was removed ... to get an idea of tire width & track width.
Wheels are 18x13 Forgeline GZ3R. 10" backspacing in front.
This is a "Zero Scrub" car. Turns like a mutha in the tight corners.

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Good look at the wheels, Track-Star hubs & StopTech Trophy brakes Optimized by Ron Sutton

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Front End mount photos

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Door Hinges

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With Body Removed to finish the door X-brace bars

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Car is Super low to ground, as you can see.
In fairness, this fella is 6' 1" / Actual roof height is 47"

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[Ron Sutton]

NOT "mini" Nats this year!! This years SONOMA IS THE NATIONALS!!!


EEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAA


Only important really to Mustang/Shelby guys --- but it will be a big Shelby event


:headscratch: Oh! Not "mini" this year. Well okie dokie then. :lol:

Your car will have Shelby tail lights. Does that count ?



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[jeds]

I noticed that a lot of your engine packages state that you use are using a cable operated throttle body.

What drives the decision to use DBW or cable? Availability of throttle body size for power considerations? User preference? Other?

[57hemicuda]

Car looks awesome in the go cart form, but that transmission.....yummm

[Ron Sutton]

I noticed that a lot of your engine packages state that you use are using a cable operated throttle body.

What drives the decision to use DBW or cable? Availability of throttle body size for power considerations? User preference? Other?

Howdy !

Actually ... I need to change that in our new catalog ... because we offer both DBW-Drive by Wire and traditional cable operated throttle bodies. It is user preference (or needs). I find we sell about half cable operated & half DBW. Just depends on what the end user needs.


For the DBW throttle bodies we use:
* Stock GM LS3 92mm version for 625HP & lower
* Nick Williams 102mm version 700HP & up

For the Cable operated throttle bodies we use:
* Holley 90mm for for 625HP & lower
* Holley 95mm for for 675HP & lower
* Holley 105mm for for 700HP & up

For Greg's car, the electronic "no-lift" sequential shift controller needs a DBW throttle body to work correctly. On upshifts, the electronic "no-lift" sequential shift controller kills the power for a fraction of a second, to make the shift smooth. But the throttle stays wide open (as long as the driver has the throttle pedal wide open.) On downshifts, the electronic "no-lift" sequential shift controller needs to "blip" the throttle to make the downshift happen smoothly, so a DBW throttle body is needed.

If we had not ran the sequential shift transmission, we would have ran a cable operated throttle body.

Hope this insight helps.

[57hemicuda]

Picture reminds me a little of my Mustang back in 2007........only racier. Man I love build pics


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[Vegas69]

F’n sick fellas!

[gerno]

Car is Super low to ground, as you can see.
In fairness, this fella is 6' 1" / Actual roof height is 47"

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[/B]

Yep, this car was certainly built for Weld, now he knows what its like for normal people to get into street cars :poke:

This build is awesome. How did Lance know its a zero scrub car from the pics? Is it the large front wheel BS or did he know for talking to you? Maybe I need to go back thru my classroom notes....

Its also crazy how small the car looks overall with the body off and how huge the tires are. Cant wait until Greg brings it out to COTA for some fun.

[SSLance]

How did Lance know its a zero scrub car from the pics? Is it the large front wheel BS or did he know for talking to you? Maybe I need to go back thru my classroom notes....




I figured it out from measuring the scrub radius on my own car (with Ron's tutelage of course). By seeing where the KPI pointed in relation to the tread contact patch...I could tell right away it was a MUCH better setup than on my (or most) car for sure.

[Flash68]

And because I'm pretty sure this Sutton guy would NEVER build a clean sheet, unlimited class race car and NOT have it zero scrub. :)

[rustomatic]

Big wheel + minimal lippage = little to no scrub. C4 Corvettes achieved this . . .

[Ron Sutton]

Picture reminds me a little of my Mustang back in 2007........only racier. Man I love build pics


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I didn't know your Mustang was built that way. Cool !

[57hemicuda]

Saw this in Monkton Maryland while working, figured Greg was far enough into the project, and the billing cycle. That this sign was probably feeling applicable. LOL

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[Ron Sutton]

Saw this in Monkton Maryland while working, figured Greg was far enough into the project, and the billing cycle. That this sign was probably feeling applicable. LOL

https://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-X9vxhpV/0/edc4fa3a/L/20180607_173159-L.jpg

:stirthepot::lmao::badidea::lmao:

:thankyou:

[Ron Sutton]

Well .. if we're posting funny photos, here ya go.
(now back to work)

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[Ron Sutton]

Howdy everyone!

Our client Ron Ver Mulm installed one of our GT Decoupled 3-Links in his autocross car recently & used his GoPro to capture the first runs. After watching the video, it was easy for me to know the rebound valving & spring rate are spot on, but his application needs stiffer compression valving & a taller, softer & more progressive bump stop. He ran his fastest runs ever with our new GT Decoupled 3-Link, over his conventional 3-link. After we change the compression valving & bump stop, he'll most likely shave another .3-.4 off his lap times.

For those not in the know ... the decoupled 3-link is the highest grip, fastest rear suspension available period. The shock version won so many Trans Am races back in the day, they outlawed it. (You can run our TA version legally in Trans Am, which uses poly bushings & no shock.)

We utilize this "shock controlled" decoupled 3-Link rear suspesnion in all of our GT Track-Warrior cars. Greg's GT Track-Warrior has this same suspension.

Got questions? Want one for your autocross or track car?
See both versions in our catalog HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=212)
Contact Dave at 844-722-3832 Ext 3
Or email, [email protected]

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[CJD Automotive]

I have a question on weight placement. On some of the heavier objects mounted, if given a choice, is it beneficial to mount them closer to the COG at a higher height, or further away at a lower installed height?

[Ron Sutton]

I have a question on weight placement. On some of the heavier objects mounted, if given a choice, is it beneficial to mount them closer to the COG at a higher height, or further away at a lower installed height?

Hey Craig!

That's a good question. It depends on "how far" we're talking.

Meaning, if we have the choice of mounting 30# battery 10" above the bottom of the chassis behind the passenger seat ... or ... 3" above the bottom of the chassis but 20" behind the rear axle ... for sure we'd go with the first option.

On the other hand, if we had the choice to mount our 160# fuel cell 20" above the above the bottom of the chassis behind the roll cage ... or ... 1" above the bottom of the chassis but 10" behind the rear axle ... for sure we'd go with the latter option. So if definitely depends on "how much" up or away from the COG we're considering.

I try to keep all the mass possible inside the wheelbase. As things past either axle centerline add to the pendulum effect. The realities of packaging occasionally prevent that and we end up with the fuel tank behind the rear axle & the engine & radiator ahead of the axle. I suggest you do your best, but it's not always practical to make these cars perfect.

[GregWeld]

it's not always practical to make these cars perfect.



Not what you told me when I was ordering !!!


++++++++++ Kidding folks ++++++++++

[CJD Automotive]

Hey Craig!
I try to keep all the mass possible inside the wheelbase. As things past either axle centerline add to the pendulum effect. The realities of packaging occasionally prevent that and we end up with the fuel tank behind the rear axle & the engine & radiator ahead of the axle. I suggest you do your best, but it's not always practical to make these cars perfect.


Thanks, not sure for the advice or reassurance!

[SSLance]

Not what you told me when I was ordering !!!


++++++++++ Kidding folks ++++++++++

lol... :D


Ron, did not know you were working with Ron Ver Mulm on his Camaro. I've known and watched him for years as he was "close by". That car is special for sure and I'm betting it's even better now.

[Ron Sutton]

Not what you told me when I was ordering !!!


++++++++++ Kidding folks ++++++++++

:lol:

I think I told you the car would be perfect ... for hauling azz. :)

[Ron Sutton]

lol... :D


Ron, did not know you were working with Ron Ver Mulm on his Camaro. I've known and watched him for years as he was "close by". That car is special for sure and I'm betting it's even better now.

Yeah, he emailed me the link to the video to watch after his first day out with it. He said it has WAY more rear grip on entry & exit, which is exactly what a decoupled 3-link does.

The accel side of his is spot on. The decel side needs stiffer dampening & spring rate. I do not know how much he picked up, but he said it was quicker than ever.

[mfain]

Yeah, he emailed me the link to the video to watch after his first day out with it. He said it has WAY more rear grip on entry & exit, which is exactly what a decoupled 3-link does.

The accel side of his is spot on. The decel side needs stiffer dampening & spring rate. I do not know how much he picked up, but he said it was quicker than ever.



Ron,

I see the upper link is offset inboard of the differential (which itself is offset well to the right), but the upper link still appears to be offset to the right (passenger side) of the center of the axle housing. How did you calculate the left/right lateral offset of the upper link with this oddball configuration?

Thanks

Pappy

[Ron Sutton]

Ron,

I see the upper link is offset inboard of the differential (which itself is offset well to the right), but the upper link still appears to be offset to the right (passenger side) of the center of the axle housing. How did you calculate the left/right lateral offset of the upper link with this oddball configuration?

Thanks

Pappy

Hey Pappy !

The pinion offset (or 3rd member offset) does not play a calculation in the determination of top link offset. The track width & friction (or power loss) from the specifics of the rear end are used to calculate the optimum top link offset.

While I don't share my formula, I will say the more power loss a specific rear end creates, the more it is unevenly loading the left rear tire & the more we're going to move top link to the passenger side to neutralize this.

For folks that don't know this, all symmetrical rear suspensions experience "torque steer" ... meaning the left rear tire gets loaded more than the right rear tire. The amount (or degree) is directly related to how much friction a given rear end has, from it's hub bearings, carrier & pinion bearings & R&P gear teeth meshing.

[CJD Automotive]

I have a question on the steering shaft. I looked at the Sweet and Woodward universal joints, and they state to keep them under 20*. It looks like your angle after the firewall kicks over at about 45*. Is it okay to run that much angle? I’m going to be close to the same angle and thought I would need a double to half the angles, but if they can run that much, would make life easier.


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[Panteracer]

Ron,
I understand the decoupled 3 link... is that why
you did not do an IRS rearend?
Or too many things to break or worry about with halfshafts, etc

Bob

[gofastwclass]

I'm curious about this too Ron.

I've always thought IRS was a good concept on paper but torque limited in reality. This was my own personal opinion after reading a few things, but I could be completely off base.

[Ron Sutton]

I have a question on the steering shaft. I looked at the Sweet and Woodward universal joints, and they state to keep them under 20*. It looks like your angle after the firewall kicks over at about 45*. Is it okay to run that much angle? I’m going to be close to the same angle and thought I would need a double to half the angles, but if they can run that much, would make life easier.



Hey Craig!

That photo angle is a little deceiving. The angle difference is about 32° & we've never had a problem with that.

[Ron Sutton]

Ron,
I understand the decoupled 3 link... is that why
you did not do an IRS rearend?
Or too many things to break or worry about with halfshafts, etc

Bob

I'm curious about this too Ron.

I've always thought IRS was a good concept on paper but torque limited in reality. This was my own personal opinion after reading a few things, but I could be completely off base.

Hey Guys !

As you know, just about everything has pros & cons. There is no perfect anything, let alone a rear suspension. Some are better than others in a specific situation. I've designed & raced a lot of cars with & without IRS.

Some factors that guide my designs & builds are:
A. IRS does NOT add more rear grip. If it is setup optimum ... as opposed to "Hey! It fits! Let's just weld it in here" ... we can get the roll center optimum, rear steer either positive, neutral or negative, toe in or out ... to HELP/Assist the car to turn better.

B. Some cons are the roll center is NOT quick & easy to tune, getting the geometry optimum is just as complex as front suspensions & if you change the ride height, the geometry goes wacky. Overall they add weight to a car. They cost more & have durability issues to overcome.

C. If I'm designing & building a rear engine car, an IRS is practically mandatory. If the car is going to be LOW ... like 1/4" to 1" off the ground ... and the front end can not travel very far (due to the low ride height) ... we can't get very much "pitch angle" under braking. This limits how much weight transfer we'll get to the front tires, so having IRS really helps us to get this car to turn better. If I'm designing & building a rear engine car with a 1/4" to 1" ride height ... I WANT an IRS to help the car turn better. Regardless of cost or complexity, the IRS will be best in these applications, like Formula cars, Indy Cars, Prototypes, etc.

D. If someone has their car at some kind or "normal" ride height like 2.5" to 6" ... but run the front springs super stiff where there is very little front end travel in dive under braking ... we are not getting very much "pitch angle". So for them, they would benefit from IRS helping their car to turn better.

E. If I'm designing & building a front engine car, IRS is not mandatory, just an option. If the car is going to have some kind or "normal" ride height like 2.5" to 6" ... and we can travel the front end anywhere from 2.5" to 4"+ ... we'll achieve a good degree of pitch loading the front tires. So the IRS is not an advantage here, at least performance wise. On rough streets & highways, IRS can offer superior ride quality. But we're talking about running race tracks here, which are vastly smoother than rough streets & highways.

F. So if we're designing & building a front engine car of 2.5" to 6" ride height with a 2.5" to 4"+ front end travel strategy .. IRS is not a performance advantage ... so the question is which straight axle suspension is best.

G. Truck arms & leaf springs are the low end have many "cons." 4-Links are OK, as long as they don't bind in the articulation range we need. Triangulated 4-Links need to have the top links go from outside onth ehosuing to inside on the chassis ... or the roll center is too high. IMHO torque arms are the best suspension is someone is keeping their back seat. But in track cars, race cars & Pro-Touring cars that want to perform at the top level, nothing beats a 3-Link. Just gotta run a roll bar/cage & eliminate the back seat to do it right.

H. The basic 3 link articulates a ton & can have a quick & easy top link adjuster. If we offset the top link the correct distance, we can neutralize & eliminate torque steer. If we can place the top link mount high enough on th e housing, we can increase the percentage of torque that transfers load to the tires. And lastly, if we decouple it, we achieve something that NO OTHER rear suspension can. We separate the corner entry tuning from the corner exit tuning. With ALL other suspensions, the anti-squat percentage defines the rear tire grip on corner entry & exit.
* Higher A/S % = More rear grip on exit / Less on entry.
* Lower A/S % = Less rear grip on exit / More on entry.
It's always a compromise. A decoupled 3-link is the best Racing rear suspension for front engine cars with 2.5"-6" ride heights .. because the corner exit grip is tuned independently with the "Accel Link" (the lower one) and the corner entry grip is tuned independently with the "Decel Link" (the upper one). There are cons to this style of suspension too.

I. Regardless of type of link rear suspension, the other decision is Watt's link or Panhard bar. Since I'm a constant fine tuner, I like panhard bars that are fine tunable on both sides. For my clients, the Watt's links work best, because they're automatically neutral. And with our version, VERY quick & easy to adjust. Literally 20-30 seconds.

Hope that sheds some light on when & why IRS is better or a straight axle with some form of link suspension better suits the application.

[mfain]

Ron and I have had many discussions regarding the attributes/weaknesses of the IRS. I think I have finally discovered an IRS that addresses a lot of the issues that Ron points out. In order to not hijack Greg's threat, I have posted a response in my projects thread "Old Track Car Project - New Update" for those interested in an IRS discussion.

Pappy

[GregWeld]

Ron and I have had many discussions regarding the attributes/weaknesses of the IRS. I think I have finally discovered an IRS that addresses a lot of the issues that Ron points out. In order to not hijack Greg's threat, I have posted a response in my projects thread "Old Track Car Project - New Update" for those interested in an IRS discussion.

Pappy

Coulda had that discussion right here Pappy! You've seen my threads....... there's no rules!

LOL

[57hemicuda]

Its true Greg, I got a meatloaf recipe a couple pages back. Their is also a cure for toenail fungus in the first couple pages, this thread is multifaceted, and awesome!!!!

[FETorino]

Its true Greg, I got a meatloaf recipe a couple pages back. Their is also a cure for toenail fungus in the first couple pages, this thread is multifaceted, and awesome!!!!

How about some resturaunt recomendations in Shanghai.

[gofastwclass]

Hey Guys !

As you know, just about everything has pros & cons. There is no perfect anything, let alone a rear suspension. Some are better than others in a specific situation. I've designed & raced a lot of cars with & without IRS.




Awesome information Ron! You just confirmed what I've been thinking for a very long time. I love nerding out on this suspension stuff. Thank you for explaining this in a manner we can all understand.



How about some resturaunt recomendations in Shanghai.

The GW and CL threads never fail to leave a smile on my face. :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

How about some resturaunt recomendations in Shanghai.

Uhhhh ...

[GregWeld]

How about some resturaunt recomendations in Shanghai.



Come home when you can fold a paper crane......



How much does it cost to buy a crane in Shanghai?? Can you get a model to display in your office??

[DBasher]

How about some resturaunt recomendations in Shanghai.

Stay away from the Ladyboi Special. :headscratch::D

[Panteracer]

Ron,
As always thanks for the data
We in our Pantera world have been debating spicer/u-joints
vs CV shafts... one of my Pantera buddies states the harmonics
are better with the CV joints.. others say they are not strong
enough and require more servicing.. not sure if it is worth the cost

Bob

[Ron Sutton]

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[DBasher]

Looking forward to seeing pictures of the BOSS on track tomorrow...or at least at the track.

Have fun!:thumbsup::flag2:

ps, don’t suck

[jarhead]

WOW, if a guy doesn't read this everyday he misses allot...

[DBasher]

How much does it cost to buy a crane in Shanghai?? Can you get a model to display in your office?? [/B]

I’ve got this lil guy sitting outside my office. I’m sure it needs to be raised 40’ and the boom extended....in scale of course. :hello:

[Flash68]

I think I just heard a gnarly LS Mustang go down the front straight.... I am 100 miles away mind you. :)

[rustomatic]

Picture: Choking on sandwich while trying the wrangle the concept of Dan in an office . . . Nice crane!

I’ve got this lil guy sitting outside my office. I’m sure it needs to be raised 40’ and the boom extended....in scale of course. :hello:

[Blake Foster]

Gentleman......................................... ... Start................ your........................Engine!!

[DBasher]

Picture: Choking on sandwich while trying the wrangle the concept of Dan in an office . . . Nice crane!

I’ve graduated from a bucket in a mechanical room. :sieg:

[GregWeld]

I'm still on the road -- so quicky update.

Car is beyond awesome! SO WIDE and SO LOW...... and SO MEAN!!!

We developed a minor oil leak late in the day so that killed the late day bonzai runs for real tire temps and wing changes etc.

We will run the car again in "white" at NASA in August for more data and some beginning lap times.

Having not done a test and tune day with a road race car --- it's pretty dang fun but also pretty technical! Ron has an "order" to things that he wants done and so was in constant communications with the pro - Benny Moon - who was the lucky bastard that got the seat time..... Getting everything up to temp -- bedding brakes -- and making sure things are tight -- and the computers all talking and making the changes to them for the screens "I" want to see....

Benny says "blows the tires off" -- "think of the throttle in this as a rheostat NOT an on / off switch!". "BUT MAN CAN THIS SOB TURN!"

A late day unfixable trackside leak killed the end of day rock and roll runs --- so next up is August "in white" for seriousness!! LOL Oh Man wait until you see this thing rolling down track. Just Oh Man is about all I can say.

Thanks to Ron Sutton and Randy Chastain (One-off Customs) and they're crew!! Greg Wall (AKA Boris or TOG -- The other Greg) - Dylan - Benny Moon - Susan Chastain -- MY LOVERLY WIFE who has gone above and beyond driving trucks and serving people and just on and on..... and My buddy Rob Dickey (FETorino) for flying in last minute to help with chauffeuring "Miss Daisy" around when I got too pooped.......




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[Ron Sutton]

Greg had a great post.

I always like to give a "Good, Bad & Ugly" of our Race days, Tests & Initial Shake Down Day like this was:

The Good:
The car was a rocket. Engine ran great & fast. Car had great grip & turned like a champ. Brakes worked excellent. The little things worked well except 2. :trophy-1302:

The bad:
We had a couple oil spray issues. One from a valve cover & one from the dry sump vent. Easy fixes. Our 16 volt battery died & wouldn't take a charge. Obviously an easy fix to replace. :mad:

The ugly:
Aside from cleaning some oil off the firewall, having to jump start the car had me frustrated. :hairpullout:

We'll fix those two glitches learned from our Shake down & have the car ready go go soon. Here are some photos:

[Musclerodz]

Looks awesome. I assume some big mirror is planned cause that is going to be a blind SOB.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Gotta shake out the bugs. Looks good. Can't wait to see this thing run.

[Panteracer]

Very very cool
A little heavier than I thought.. did Greg gain some weight?

Looks like the Wing is mounted high enough that a rear view
mirror and a curved mirror will work for seeing things out back
and to the side

That is what dictated the height of mine.. I guess
Ron and the Boys copied me glad I could help out:)

Bob

[carbuff]

Knowing that this car is wider than stock, I can say that man that spoiler is HUGE! It literally looks like it dwarfs the car in a couple of the pics!!!

Congrats on hitting the track. Look forward to hearing Weld's own driving impressions. :)

[Ron Sutton]

Looks awesome. I assume some big mirror is planned cause that is going to be a blind SOB.


Haha. :lol:

The rear view mirror is 17" wide !

[Ron Sutton]

Knowing that this car is wider than stock, I can say that man that spoiler is HUGE! It literally looks like it dwarfs the car in a couple of the pics!!!

Congrats on hitting the track. Look forward to hearing Weld's own driving impressions. :)

Greg didn't get to drive it yet. We shook it down with Benny Moon who raced with me for several years & is a driving instructor. Unfortunately, the oil & battery issue ended our day with less runs than we wanted. So Greg didn't get to drive it yet.

Greg did "try" to chase the new car in his old car. But with Benny driving it at 70% it still distanced itself right away.

Greg will drive it soon !

[DBasher]

Hells Yes!

[Ron Sutton]

Knowing that this car is wider than stock, I can say that man that spoiler is HUGE! It literally looks like it dwarfs the car in a couple of the pics!!!

Believe it or not, the car is wider than the wing. The rear fender lips are 78" wide & the wing is 76" wide. But compared to the top of the fenders, the wing is much wider.

[Ron Sutton]

This scale numbers are complete with driver weight, fuel, etc. But once the car gets wrapped, interior sealed, exhaust coated & chassis & sheet metal power coated, the total weight will be around 2840+/-

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[mfain]

Congrats! Looks great. Should be an absolute beast in the corners! I would assume the top speed will be aero-drag limited. Any guess what that speed will be? The big wing on the Viper ACR limits top speed to 177 (with stock 645 HP). It will go faster with more HP but the downforce becomes quite significant. Here is a photo @ 215 (with 1800 HP TT) with the wing in the lowest downforce setting. I saw a later photo of the same car at 210 with the end plates off the wing and stiffer springs and at least the strakes weren't on the ground. The stock rear springs are 1300 #/in.

Pappy

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[GregWeld]

THERE! I fixxxxededed it for you..... because it's what you really MEANT / WANTED to say.




Greg did "try" to chase the new car in his old car. But with Benny driving it at 40% ---- AND Greg was driving OY at 80% (because health sucks) it still distanced itself right away.

Greg will drive (cross that word out) WRECK (I won't because damn this thing is going to be so much over my head - I'll only need 50% to pass Rob/Dave/Payton) it soon !

[GregWeld]

Terrible video quality --- but still is a hoot......





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[formula88]

Terrible video quality --- but still is a hoot......




But it sounds awesome!!

[Ron Sutton]

Congrats! Looks great. Should be an absolute beast in the corners! I would assume the top speed will be aero-drag limited. Any guess what that speed will be? The big wing on the Viper ACR limits top speed to 177 (with stock 645 HP). It will go faster with more HP but the downforce becomes quite significant. Here is a photo @ 215 (with 1800 HP TT) with the wing in the lowest downforce setting. I saw a later photo of the same car at 210 with the end plates off the wing and stiffer springs and at least the strakes weren't on the ground. The stock rear springs are 1300 #/in.

Pappy



Hey Pappy !

I geared this car to have a top speed of 160mph for the tracks Greg will run. If we run different tracks that allow higher top speeds, we'll swap 3rd members.

Yes, this wing is considered "Moderate drag" which means it eats up 70hp on the straights, at a specific downforce number. I'm at home today. But when I'm in the office next week I'll post the actual specs of downforce & drag.

A lot of car folks are misinformed when it comes to aero. They think drag is evil. While we don't want any more drag than possible ... drag is a low priority for road courses. Downforce is King. Downforce gains trumps drag losses by a ton.

Indy cars at Indy on the 2.5 mile oval will run trimmed out to only produce .35 cd of drag. But for road courses, will increase aero & downforce to the point the drag cd is around .75. Over double ... but that is what is fastest on a road course.

[Ron Sutton]

The big haired fella in the photo above has two nicknames. Outside of the people at the test, I'll send a free t-shirt to any one that guesses either of the two nicknames.

:)

[Vegas69]

Shaggy

[Ron Sutton]

Shaggy

Think road racing.

[mfain]

Think road racing.

Boris

[69hugger]

The big haired fella in the photo above has two nicknames. Outside of the people at the test, I'll send a free t-shirt to any one that guesses either of the two nicknames.

:)




Apex?

[Jim Hoke]

I'm with mfain - definitely Boris (Said)

[BDAZSVT]

Stretch

[Ron Sutton]

Boris

Ding, ding, ding. Winner winner chicken dinner !

His second nickname is TOG ... for the "The Other Greg". His name is Greg Wall, so we call him TOG when Greg Weld is around. :LOL:

[GregWeld]

But it sounds awesome!!



Love you buddy!!

See ya in September?? Actually ---- Can you just give the car to Liz....


XOXO

[GregWeld]

TOG be da man with the keyboards and wire clippers and gear and drivetrain set up!

Not to mention he's just an all around hoot to hang with.

You can't have done this stuff for this long, without gathering some pretty special people...... and trust me -- Sutton has some pretty special people in his repertoire (and a bus appropriately sized)







The big haired fella in the photo above has two nicknames. Outside of the people at the test, I'll send a free t-shirt to any one that guesses either of the two nicknames.

:)

[GregWeld]

Over this weekend we may have landed on a "plan" for the car ---- all based on my current health status.... which is subject to change hourly.


Right now the car is ready to race..... as it was on Thursday when it rolled out of the trailer.


I'm going to step back from the driver role, and just be a "team owner" ---- so we can concentrate on the car vs me. THIS IS ALL MY CALL.....

Benny Moon - should he decide to accept the mission and burn the tape -- will be the shoe.... Ron running the show.... Randy and TOG will handle wrench and tuning/electrical, and as many useless onlookers as we can gather.

NASA Thunderhill - August 4th and 5th will be next up..... Saturday AM will get us some better tire temps -- maybe a tweak here or there on the wing and decoupled 3 link -- and maybe not! Who knows! But the CAR is ready to go boogie.

From there ---- I will attempt to complete a single session without wrecking or spinning or setting the f***er on fire..... at Shelby Club event in October @ Thunderhill. If I'm up to it. That way I can go slower and still whip up on the stock Mustangs and whatnot.... and if feeling okay -- I can sneak up and attempt to learn off the couple faster cars (a Maxwell House NASCAR comes to mind that is very well driven)... a little lead follow action would be just the ticket. Then we'll add tracks and dates === but I want to be able to drive it at Somona = Thill = Laguna Seca SOON...... as in, before 2019

[GregWeld]

By the way ------ this thread was started 03-04-2018 and on 06-28-2018 the car was rolling on track...... Think about that for a minute.

[DBasher]

Moon, Weld & Sutton...it’s got a nice ring to it :action-smiley-027:

[Ron Sutton]

Moon, Weld & Sutton...it’s got a nice ring to it :action-smiley-027:

Thanks Basher !

When Benny & I raced together ... we called him Benny "The Jet" Moon. He is smoother than glass wishes it could be & cooler than the other side of the pillow. I've seen him run pole qualifying speeds on his warm up lap.

The year he raced in the Skip Barber Formula series, he won 4 times to Marco Andretti's one win. In his first year in USAC Ford Focus Midgets, he won their biggest race Turkey Night. When he ran NASCAR Late Models, he won his first race. He's got crazy talent, but he's the most humble, calm, easy to talk to fella you'll ever meet. I've known him since he was 12 years old winning Kart Championships. His family raised him well. We've stayed close long after we raced together. Benny is the first guy I thought about to shake down our new Track-Warrior, because he can tell you within a nanobyte of what the car needs.

In a 2009 NASCAR Talent Combine with Joe Gibbs Racing, Roush-Fenway Racing, Penske Racing & a scout for Hendrick Motorsports, Benny smoked every driver there & made it look effortless. If the economy hadn't tanked in 2008/2009 Benny would be a NASCAR Cup driver today. Some things just don't work out.

He driver coaches today, in addition to running his Dad's company. Of course he hasn't been in a real race car for about 7-8 years. So it will take a minute for him to get back up to speed. I wish we had more laps last Thursday. The dead battery & oil issues limited our runs. But he loved the car's grip & turn in. Told me it needed a bit less rear grip in the slow corners (which we tuned the Watt's Link for). If this works out where Benny races the Mustang in NASA TTU with me Crew Chiefing ... I may get to 500 wins after all. (I'm currently stuck at 498 personal wins - Not client wins)

:)

[Blake Foster]

kind of only natural the Greg become the team owner with the ability to drive when he wants!! should be fun

[Flash68]

and as many useless onlookers as we can gather.



:hello::action-smiley-027:

[65_LS1_T56]

Thanks Basher !

... I may get to 500 wins after all. (I'm currently stuck at 498 personal wins - Not client wins)

:)



Dang it, for a few moments I actually had a hat that said that too! Haha, congrats on a very successful shakedown Ron & Greg. I've been enjoying my RSRT front clip in the Chevelle. Surprised a lot of guys again this weekend, including a new GT350R :guns:

[Ron in SoCal]

By the way ------ this thread was started 03-04-2018 and on 06-28-2018 the car was rolling on track.

Said no one on this site, ever :)

Congrats on the build the result and the outing!

:cheers:

[formula88]

Love you buddy!!

See ya in September?? Actually ---- Can you just give the car to Liz....


XOXO

Love ya too pal!! Yes, Liz will cya in September. Maybe she will let me tag along :lol:

[WSSix]

Congrats to all involved in getting this car on the track. It sounds and looks killer. Good luck on the upcoming "race season"

[214Chevy]

Car looks great Greg and Ron. What wheels are you running?

[Ron Sutton]

Car looks great Greg and Ron. What wheels are you running?

On car builds like these, I only trust Forgeline. They are the strongest light wheel, or the lightest strong wheel, depending on your point of view. These wheels are 18"x 13" & only weigh 18#. But the key is these wheels keep their shape correctly under high G loads which is critical to the tire keeping its shape & optimum contact patch.

This particular wheel is GZ3R. There are 4 models I like & recommend for the best balance of strength & weight:
GA3/GA3R
GW3/GW3R
GX3
GZ3/GZ3R
* In this 18x13 size these wheels cost under $5k.

The basic difference with R model wheels is the cap. Non R wheels come with a regular Forgeline center cap. This works well for all common street hubs & spindles (which are typically 2.78" & smaller). The "R" wheels do not come with caps, typically because the Heavy Duty spindles & hubs they fit over ... Like our Track-Star Spindles/Hubs & Speedway Grand National Floater Hubs which are all 3.06" ... have their own caps that stick through the wheel, as you can see in this photo here.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66060&d=1530290688

A lot of people think this is an unlimited budget build. But that's not the case at all. If it were an unlimited budget Build, we'd be running carbon fiber Forgeline wheels, as well as titanium & carbon fiber components throughout the car. Plus we'd have more power than our "base" 700HP LS7. Like 850-900HP. But an all out car would be $600-$700k. This is a $195K car with the sequential shift & big Aero options added, before we add in the second set of wheels. That will include the final wrap.

[GregWeld]

AND IT'S BAD ASS !!! And and a "missile"......


And you "Corvette racers"...... well yeah -- about that..... LOL


I'll take a real race car with race tires - and all the safety - and all the coolness that goes with all that. Not baggin' on Pro showing -- but some guys have moved beyond that.




GONE RACIN'

[Build-It-Break-it]

What material for your driveline are you guys running? What type of U joint? I've seen the solid non greaseable 1350 joint but was curious of it's reliability for a duel purpose car.

You just can't beat the value of what you get for what you paid for this car. The time it took from start to finish is just amazing. If I could afford to do my car again I'd be money ahead to just buy a rolling chassis all set up from Ron and throw my steel body on it and enjoy. I'd still want license plates tho so I could drive it on the street when I know I shouldn't.

[GregWeld]

That material for your driveline are you guys running? What type of U joint? I've seen the solid non greaseable 1350 joint but was curious of it's reliability for a duel purpose car.

You just can't beat the value of what you get forwhat you paid for this car. The time it took from start to finish is just amazing. If I could afford to do my car again I'd be money ahead to just buy a rolling chassis all set up from Ron and throw my steel body on it and enjoy. I'd still want license plates tho so I could drive it on the street when I know I shouldn't.




FACT.......


Or you can just buy all the pieces as you can afford them (no different than any other build) but you'll end up with something that works and is superior in so many ways.

For me --- the speeds these guys are running in their "street cars"..... yeah -- they're insane. Only time before that doesn't work out so well.

I have street cars -- I have a Porsche Turbo S - I've driven lots of "fast" cars.... to me - they're so boring..... compared to when something like this is born and you crawl behind the wheel. For me personally -- it's just a natural progression.

[Vegas69]

AND IT'S BAD ASS !!! And and a "missile"......


And you "Corvette racers"...... well yeah -- about that..... LOL


I'll take a real race car with race tires - and all the safety - and all the coolness that goes with all that. Not baggin' on Pro showing -- but some guys have moved beyond that.




GONE RACIN'

I'm with you my friend. After my car I came to the conclusion that I'd have a nice street car or a nice race car. In between just doesn't work out that well.

[mfain]

I'm with you my friend. After my car I came to the conclusion that I'd have a nice street car or a nice race car. In between just doesn't work out that well.

Todd,

I totally agree - and starting with a street(able) car that evolves into a race car isn't much better. I've probably got $30K worth of old "new" parts laying in the corner of my garage - parts that were on the car for some time but gave way to "a better idea" before they were ever used. Anybody need a set of never-driven 18" HRE's with 7 year-old sticker MPSC1s that were relegated to garage roll-arounds? LOL Yeah, Todd I know - my grandkid's grandkids will love it. But Greg and I have an eventual track date I can't miss.

Pappy

[Ron Sutton]

What material for your driveline are you guys running? What type of U joint? I've seen the solid non greaseable 1350 joint but was curious of it's reliability for a duel purpose car.

You just can't beat the value of what you get for what you paid for this car. The time it took from start to finish is just amazing. If I could afford to do my car again I'd be money ahead to just buy a rolling chassis all set up from Ron and throw my steel body on it and enjoy. I'd still want license plates tho so I could drive it on the street when I know I shouldn't.

Good question!

We run both 1026 DOM & 4130 Chromoly driveshafts. With the sequential "no-lift" shift transmission the DOM absorbs the shock better. We run special Dana Spicer 1350 chromoly U-joints. No zerk to grease, so no weak spots.

We have a LOT of clients building Track-Warriors for street & track. The way most clients do it is buy the "Build-Your-Own" kits that start at $12,899 HERE (http://www.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/catalog/?page=130).

[GregWeld]

I'm with you my friend. After my car I came to the conclusion that I'd have a nice street car or a nice race car. In between just doesn't work out that well.



I will "qualify" my comments about street cars and purpose built track cars....


We all know full well there are compromises in ride quality - ride height - power to weight - tire sizes and type - seating - fire safety - cage quality.

I'm not the type to bag on other peoples choices and I know full well that most can't afford to have purpose built cars. But if you can -- get a track only car -- you'll thank yourself!! Make the PT car the one your wife will ride in and not complain....

We all know a race car is far different than a street car, and that street cars are "CAPABLE" of turning very respectable lap times. You throw enough power - and skills.... and set up - and these cars are awesome! But they're not RACE CARS and nobody would want to drive a race car on the street.

Even the shocks that are built to race --- aren't built to run on the street.... (without a lot of extra maintenance). Personally I'd take a modern automatic over trying to drive a sequential on the street....

Now - lets just get in to the aero...... this new car is completely closed out and flat and flush underneath..... I know how much the frontend of Old Yeller is lifting down in to T1 at Thunderhill..... I have to gently touch up the brakes to get her to settle a bit before turn-in.... And while I haven't driven TM (The Missile) yet --- but my guess is, she's glued to the ground at the big end of the straight and you probably just need to lift a little to conquer T1....... The difference should be HUGE.... and it's AVERAGE SPEED that creates the lower lap times we need for this car to be competitive. I'd spend $40 or 50 grand plus trying to turn OY in to half the car the new one is..... and it still wouldn't come close!

If I didn't have the resources to build something like this ---- then I'd just keep/buy Old Yeller again.... and I'd certainly never complain about having to drive HellFire or JackAss 2.0 etc and track them. But I'd sure hate to repair either of them and keep them looking like the award winning cars they are. That would make racing TM look CHEAP! LOL

[Vegas69]

You can buy used race cars pretty cheap. Go through it and make some upgrades and let it rip! Undoubtedly, that's what I'd do if I get the itch. Beat the snot out of it and not give a damn.:D

[GregWeld]

You can buy used race cars pretty cheap. Go through it and make some upgrades and let it rip! Undoubtedly, that's what I'd do if I get the itch. Beat the snot out of it and not give a damn.:D


I do NOT want my '40 Ford to ride or act anywhere near what these track cars do!!!

One is for street driving nirvana...... the other is for TRACK only nirvana. The two are mutually exclusive.

I'm no suspension guy --- don't need to be --- Ron Sutton handles all of that --- but danged if I can figure out how STIELOW gets his cars to handle so well -- and yet they're so drivable. They just wouldn't be competitive in NASA TTU which is what this was conceived for.

Readers --- remember what I'm attempting to clarify here -------- a pure track only car vs a street car that is more than capable of great times/driving both on track and on the street. I'm just saying that pure track cars are rather evil...... and cars like HellFire - Jackass 2.0 and other well sorted and built "pro touring cars" shouldn't be. The new subframe from SpeedTech or the sub from DSE, The Roadster Shop, etc -- are just sensational for handling and tuning capabilities and if I was building a new car today these parts would be mandatory they're just so good.

[glassman]

--- but danged if I can figure out how STIELOW gets his cars to handle so well -- and yet they're so drivable. They just wouldn't be competitive in NASA TTU which is what this was conceived for.



And i believe his cars to be the ULTIMATE Street Cars. Fast, friedly, fun and show worthy.....

And yes, i've learned (the hardway lol) that my camaro had to "choose" a path, racing or touring....now i'm saving up for your yellow one, maybe. :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

Some of you may not have realized on our shake down day the car wasn't ready to race or run many laps because the interior tin wasn't sealed & the exhaust wasn't thermal barrier coated.

The cockpit needs to be fully sealed from the engine bay & fuel cell area. We use a 3M Fire Retardant Sealer good up to 2000°. The exhaust runs so close to the transmission, the gear oil would overheat in it if the exhaust was uncoated. So we Jet-Hot coat the inside & outside of the header tubes & exhaust. (Mufflers only on the outside) This knocks down the radiant heat around the transmission & driver by 40-45°.

The Mustang comes apart late this week to go to powder coat. In our Track-Warrior cars like Greg's ... the steel floor, firewall & bulkhead/rear deck sheet metal are welded to the chassis ... and get powder coated along with the chassis & cage assembly. When it goes back together for final assembly, Randy Chastain will utilize the 3M Fire Retardant Sealer on every seam under the car, at the firewall & at the rear bulkhead & decklid sheet metal. This prevents C0², smoke, oil, fire, etc from entering into the cockpit.

I'm outlining this important step, because many of you already have, or will, modify the sheet metal in your builds & NEED TO KNOW it's critical to seal it & what to use. It's NOT OK to leave any seam unsealed. It's unsafe.

The car will go back together later this month & get ready to go run the NASA event at Thunderhill Raceway in Willows California on Aug 4-5. Since the car wasn't built to fit a class, we will run it in the "Unlimited" class of NASA's Time Attack, known as TTU. Since it is an unlimited class, often there are Prototype race cars that run in TTU.

https://digbza2f4g9qo.cloudfront.net/-/media/IndyCar/News/Standard/2017/01/01-28-Hinchcliffe-Mazda-Prototype-Rolex24.jpg?h=564&la=en&w=940&vs=1&d=20170127T222528Z

We won't stand a chance against any Prototype race cars, with our Trans Am style 70 Mustang. But if there are no Prototype race cars, we'll have a good shot at running up front. Our driver Benny Moon is super talented, but hasn't been in a real race car is many years, so he'll need to shake off the rust as we work up to speed.

I don't know how fast we'll get this first weekend. I plan to do only basic tuning for balance. But it would be fun to have a pool of folks betting on Benny's best lap of the weekend.

We have a betting pool ... similar to a football pool.
* 100 times between 1:50.0 & 1:59.9 lap time, a tenth of a second apart
* Pick one time or as many as your wallet can handle
* Closest time wins all the pool money & bragging rights
* Only 1 time, Best time of the weekend, counts

Pick your time(s) HERE (http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/?ic=6106).

[Build-It-Break-it]

Ron do you carry and sell the 3m 2000* seam sealer? How's many tubes would typically be needed to seal a car (approximately)?

Will you do a video on this car on your YouTube channel?

Just bought 2 time slots! Exciting

Once the time slot is purchased is it taken off to prevent someone else from buying the same time slot?

[Flash68]

We have a betting pool ... similar to a football pool.
* 100 times between 1:50.0 & 1:59.9 lap time, a tenth of a second apart
* Pick one time or as many as your wallet can handle
* Closest time wins all the pool money & bragging rights
* Only 1 time, Best time of the weekend, counts

Pick your time(s) HERE (http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/?ic=6106).



Hey Sandbagger, I don't see any sub 1:50 bet options... :stirthepot:

[GregWeld]

Ron do you carry and sell the 3m 2000* seam sealer? How's many tubes would typically be needed to seal a car (approximately)?

Will you do a video on this car on your YouTube channel?



Yes.....

My personal YouTube channel is under GregWeld or GregWeld1

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[Ron Sutton]

Ron do you carry and sell the 3m 2000* seam sealer? How's many tubes would typically be needed to seal a car (approximately)?

Will you do a video on this car on your YouTube channel?

Just bought 2 time slots! Exciting

Once the time slot is purchased is it taken off to prevent someone else from buying the same time slot?

We don't carry it. We get it HERE (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000caulk.php?clickkey=5253407)

Yes, it will remove the option to buy those same times. Or least it should do it. I better make sure it's configured correctly.

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Sandbagger, I don't see any sub 1:50 bet options... :stirthepot:

:lol:

It isn't going to run sub 1:50's. Not enough horsepower.

[Build-It-Break-it]

Delete

[Build-It-Break-it]

Delete

[GregWeld]

:lol:

It isn't going to run sub 1:50's. Not enough horsepower.





I thought we were building a "momentum car"???


:lmao::catfight:

[Flash68]

How's many tubes would typically be needed to seal a car (approximately)?



I am interested in this as well. :)

[GregWeld]

I am interested in this as well. :)

How big are your gaps? How much tin in the car? And on and on....


Order the stuff off Amazon --- or find it at your local race shop/store and take back the unopened tubes....

[Build-It-Break-it]

How big are your gaps? How much tin in the car? And on and on....


Order the stuff off Amazon --- or find it at your local race shop/store and take back the unopened tubes....

I found them on Amazon to. I'm going to order about 5 tubes and buy as needed from there.

[Flash68]

How big are your gaps? How much tin in the car? And on and on....


Order the stuff off Amazon --- or find it at your local race shop/store and take back the unopened tubes....

I have all kinds of little holes and access points in my rat trap... was always something I thought of "dealing with". :)

Amazon. Yep, thanks. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Hey --- very few of you have much confidence in your guessing skills --- WTF....

Get your $5 and plunk it down on a square!!

Just found out -- I think we're running BACKWARDS --- so that ought to open this wide up!!



http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/productDetails.aspx?i=1155531&c=6106




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[Flash68]

hey Sutton.... does Benny have any lap experience at Thunderhill running the opposite direction? :headspin:

[DBasher]

Just found out -- I think we're running BACKWARDS --- so that ought to open this wide up!!



http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/productDetails.aspx?i=1155531&c=6106




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This. Changes. Everything. I may have to pick up a few more squares and put some scientifical thought into it. I know the rearview mirror is huge but am now second guessing Ron’s “aero package”....no offense Ron but I’ve seen aero really start to unwork when the car gets turned around. :headspin:

[TrackMuscle]

Some of you may not have realized on our shake down day the car wasn't ready to race or run many laps because the interior tin wasn't sealed & the exhaust wasn't thermal barrier coated.

The cockpit needs to be fully sealed from the engine bay & fuel cell area. We use a 3M Fire Retardant Sealer good up to 2000°. The exhaust runs so close to the transmission, the gear oil would overheat in it if the exhaust was uncoated. So we Jet-Hot coat the inside & outside of the header tubes & exhaust. (Mufflers only on the outside) This knocks down the radiant heat around the transmission & driver by 40-45°.

The Mustang comes apart late this week to go to powder coat. In our Track-Warrior cars like Greg's ... the steel floor, firewall & bulkhead/rear deck sheet metal are welded to the chassis ... and get powder coated along with the chassis & cage assembly. When it goes back together for final assembly, Randy Chastain will utilize the 3M Fire Retardant Sealer on every seam under the car, at the firewall & at the rear bulkhead & decklid sheet metal. This prevents C0², smoke, oil, fire, etc from entering into the cockpit.

I'm outlining this important step, because many of you already have, or will, modify the sheet metal in your builds & NEED TO KNOW it's critical to seal it & what to use. It's NOT OK to leave any seam unsealed. It's unsafe.

The car will go back together later this month & get ready to go run the NASA event at Thunderhill Raceway in Willows California on Aug 4-5. Since the car wasn't built to fit a class, we will run it in the "Unlimited" class of NASA's Time Attack, known as TTU. Since it is an unlimited class, often there are Prototype race cars that run in TTU.

https://digbza2f4g9qo.cloudfront.net/-/media/IndyCar/News/Standard/2017/01/01-28-Hinchcliffe-Mazda-Prototype-Rolex24.jpg?h=564&la=en&w=940&vs=1&d=20170127T222528Z

We won't stand a chance against any Prototype race cars, with our Trans Am style 70 Mustang. But if there are no Prototype race cars, we'll have a good shot at running up front. Our driver Benny Moon is super talented, but hasn't been in a real race car is many years, so he'll need to shake off the rust as we work up to speed.

I don't know how fast we'll get this first weekend. I plan to do only basic tuning for balance. But it would be fun to have a pool of folks betting on Benny's best lap of the weekend.

We have a betting pool ... similar to a football pool.
* 100 times between 1:50.0 & 1:59.9 lap time, a tenth of a second apart
* Pick one time or as many as your wallet can handle
* Closest time wins all the pool money & bragging rights
* Only 1 time, Best time of the weekend, counts

Pick your time(s) HERE (http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/?ic=6106).



I run in TTU and TT1 with my Viper's and yes indeed no normal car can hang with the prototypes. The proto's are deep into the 1'40's at Thunderhill. I wish they had their own class. I can beat all but the fastest of them, but I'm at 735rwhp, 2995 lbs and lots of aero. What is the RWHP of the mustang? You might be able to squeak into TT1 and be extremely competitive. Nasa uses a formula for the hp of your car, it's not the peak, it usually works out to about 10% less than your peak.

[GregWeld]

I run in TTU and TT1 with my Viper's and yes indeed no normal car can hang with the prototypes. The proto's are deep into the 1'40's at Thunderhill. I wish they had their own class. I can beat all but the fastest of them, but I'm at 735rwhp, 2995 lbs and lots of aero. What is the RWHP of the mustang? You might be able to squeak into TT1 and be extremely competitive. Nasa uses a formula for the hp of your car, it's not the peak, it usually works out to about 10% less than your peak.



Hope to see you out there!!

Are you running August 4/5th??

[GregWeld]

I run in TTU and TT1 with my Viper's and yes indeed no normal car can hang with the prototypes. The proto's are deep into the 1'40's at Thunderhill. I wish they had their own class. I can beat all but the fastest of them, but I'm at 735rwhp, 2995 lbs and lots of aero. What is the RWHP of the mustang? You might be able to squeak into TT1 and be extremely competitive. Nasa uses a formula for the hp of your car, it's not the peak, it usually works out to about 10% less than your peak.


Then it wouldn't be an UNLIMITED class....... I like the run what ya brung. The whole reason I built this car --- is because I hate rules. Rules just bring about cheating trying to make the class etc..... in TTU -- you run what you have and let the lap times speak for themselves. If you're not "competitive" -- then ya gotta bring more "whatever". My goal was never to win anything -- just be "up there". It's all just for fun and because......

[TrackMuscle]

Then it wouldn't be an UNLIMITED class....... I like the run what ya brung. The whole reason I built this car --- is because I hate rules. Rules just bring about cheating trying to make the class etc..... in TTU -- you run what you have and let the lap times speak for themselves. If you're not "competitive" -- then ya gotta bring more "whatever". My goal was never to win anything -- just be "up there". It's all just for fun and because......

I hear ya! I run in both just so I can break more track records, but yeah worrying about cheaters sucks! I've got a stock ACR I run TT1 in and a 9 liter Viper I run TTU in, I've got 6 TT1 nasa records with the ACR and one in TTU with the 9 liter, I hope to add more soon. I've been following your build, been thinking about doing something similar but probably with a '69 Camaro body. I think I could end up being 350 lbs lighter than my current TTU car. Good luck at Thunderhill!

[WSSix]

Then it wouldn't be an UNLIMITED class....... I like the run what ya brung. The whole reason I built this car --- is because I hate rules. Rules just bring about cheating trying to make the class etc..... in TTU -- you run what you have and let the lap times speak for themselves. If you're not "competitive" -- then ya gotta bring more "whatever". My goal was never to win anything -- just be "up there". It's all just for fun and because......

This, to me, is why old school NASCAR was so much cooler than today. There's no denying the tech of today is far superior but it's boring because no one can show up with a killer combo that just blows everyone away.

This is also why road coarse racing with different classes on the track at one time is great. It allows you to see just what the difference is in the classes in real time.

Anyway, I'm rambling and need to go into the garage. Good luck, Greg. Hope you have fun and the car does well.

[GregWeld]

I hear ya! I run in both just so I can break more track records, but yeah worrying about cheaters sucks! I've got a stock ACR I run TT1 in and a 9 liter Viper I run TTU in, I've got 6 TT1 nasa records with the ACR and one in TTU with the 9 liter, I hope to add more soon. I've been following your build, been thinking about doing something similar but probably with a '69 Camaro body. I think I could end up being 350 lbs lighter than my current TTU car. Good luck at Thunderhill!



We chose to build this car heavier --- rather than going all lightweight... I'm an amateur weekend warrior..... and this car was built so I could sneak up on it - start in HDPE 4 -- get comp'd -- and begin to run TTU.... But that was all before my f'ing cancer ordeal...

Now we have Benny Moon ---- and had I planned for that (me not driving) I would have asked for it to be built lighter. I was going for something I could drive at 85% -- be fast "enough" and be "safe" too. Ron has been my guiding light for a number of years now - and I know he wouldn't even build me one of his light speed rocket ships! For you? You need his 950hp 2300# '69 Camaro bodied babies!!! DO IT!! LOL

I never ever wanted to crash my Lotus 2-11....... nothing there but an aluminum box -- light and fast? Oh yeah -- but I would much rather walk away. It's only for fun.

[TrackMuscle]

We chose to build this car heavier --- rather than going all lightweight... I'm an amateur weekend warrior..... and this car was built so I could sneak up on it - start in HDPE 4 -- get comp'd -- and begin to run TTU.... But that was all before my f'ing cancer ordeal...

Now we have Benny Moon ---- and had I planned for that (me not driving) I would have asked for it to be built lighter. I was going for something I could drive at 85% -- be fast "enough" and be "safe" too. Ron has been my guiding light for a number of years now - and I know he wouldn't even build me one of his light speed rocket ships! For you? You need his 950hp 2300# '69 Camaro bodied babies!!! DO IT!! LOL

I never ever wanted to crash my Lotus 2-11....... nothing there but an aluminum box -- light and fast? Oh yeah -- but I would much rather walk away. It's only for fun.

Shoot man, I didn't realize you had cancer. Well anyone with this kind of tenacity should do very well fighting that disgusting disease!

[GregWeld]

Shoot man, I didn't realize you had cancer. Well anyone with this kind of tenacity should do very well fighting that disgusting disease!



Thank you..... I had it lapped and then I spun out. But I'm still shifting gears.

[TrackMuscle]

Thank you..... I had it lapped and then I spun out. But I'm still shifting gears.

If you guys ever want to take it here- https://www.indemotorsports.com/ I'm a member and can take guests. Would be cool to see it out there, it's an amazing track!

[GregWeld]

If you guys ever want to take it here- https://www.indemotorsports.com/ I'm a member and can take guests. Would be cool to see it out there, it's an amazing track!



Ah --- a Tucson guy!!


The guy that owns and developed that track -- and I have driven it (my Audi R8 Spyder) -- is a friend of, and lives in the same neighborhood, as my buddy Lee and they're very good friends. He's a super cool guy -- and into all the right things -- planes - cars - large boats.....

[SSLance]

If you guys ever want to take it here- https://www.indemotorsports.com/ I'm a member and can take guests. Would be cool to see it out there, it's an amazing track!

Inde is on my list of tracks to visit with Barney now that I'm out here. Have heard good things about it...

[GregWeld]

Remembering the R8 -- was a surprise birthday gift to my wife -- a friend made a "meme(?) out of a photo during the unveiling. LOL

Arie Luyendyk Jr shredded it's brand new set of tires in a few laps at INDE..... mostly just power sliding every corner - one handed while talking on the radio. LOL







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[Ron Sutton]

hey Sutton.... does Benny have any lap experience at Thunderhill running the opposite direction? :headspin:

I dunno

I don't think he has many laps at Thunderhill. So probably none in reverse.

[Ron Sutton]

This. Changes. Everything. I may have to pick up a few more squares and put some scientifical thought into it. I know the rearview mirror is huge but am now second guessing Ron’s “aero package”....no offense Ron but I’ve seen aero really start to unwork when the car gets turned around. :headspin:

:badidea::stirthepot::action-smiley-027:

[Ron Sutton]

I run in TTU and TT1 with my Viper's and yes indeed no normal car can hang with the prototypes. The proto's are deep into the 1'40's at Thunderhill. I wish they had their own class. I can beat all but the fastest of them, but I'm at 735rwhp, 2995 lbs and lots of aero. What is the RWHP of the mustang? You might be able to squeak into TT1 and be extremely competitive. Nasa uses a formula for the hp of your car, it's not the peak, it usually works out to about 10% less than your peak.

Too many things keep the car out of T1, so TTU is the only class it fits in. It will be a fun deal no matter & that's all we're doing here.

Frankly, when Greg ordered the car, we were just planning a bad ass track car, not racing in any class. The engine is my Track-Warrior 3, which is our base LS7. Super durable rotating assembly & valvetrain, as well as a great ARE dry sump. We advertise it at 700 hp, but it will make 720 HP at the crank on race oil. Obviously less RWP. If we had planned to build a TTU car from the beginning, I would have recommended my 850HP or 900HP Dart/WCCH LS7s. We'll probably find we're somewhat competitive on lap times ... against most TTU cars - NOT Prototypes ... but off due to power. Greg ... and time ... will decide if we put a more powerful mill in it.

[Ron Sutton]

I hear ya! I run in both just so I can break more track records, but yeah worrying about cheaters sucks! I've got a stock ACR I run TT1 in and a 9 liter Viper I run TTU in, I've got 6 TT1 nasa records with the ACR and one in TTU with the 9 liter, I hope to add more soon. I've been following your build, been thinking about doing something similar but probably with a '69 Camaro body. I think I could end up being 350 lbs lighter than my current TTU car. Good luck at Thunderhill!


That's cool. What tracks do you like to run at?

[Ron Sutton]

I hear ya! I run in both just so I can break more track records, but yeah worrying about cheaters sucks! I've got a stock ACR I run TT1 in and a 9 liter Viper I run TTU in, I've got 6 TT1 nasa records with the ACR and one in TTU with the 9 liter, I hope to add more soon. I've been following your build, been thinking about doing something similar but probably with a '69 Camaro body. I think I could end up being 350 lbs lighter than my current TTU car. Good luck at Thunderhill!

Just some fun info to chew on ...
a. Greg's Track-Warrior GT weighs 2620# ready to run, minus driver
b. The 69+ Camaro "race weight" body is 85# less than this Mustang
c. Our Race-Warrior GT with thinner sheet metal & lighter design is 75# lighter
d. The Jerico Road Race 5-speed (Not-Sequential) is 55# lighter.
* The T56/PPG Sequential 6-speed is 55# heavier, but still quicker on track.
** The lighter sequential transmissions can't handle big power.

You could build a 69 Camaro Race-Warrior GT with 850-900 HP that weighs 2460# with the T56/PPG Sequential 6-speed, that would run mid 1:40's at T-Hill. Making the car any lighter would actually take away from performance.

[DBasher]

Ron-I went back through and saw pictures of the exhaust being routed through the tunnel, curious where and how it’s exiting. If I recall you’ve installed a mostly flat bottom with naca ducts for the rear brakes...any pictures on a lift with the full pan and what nots in place?

:flag2:

[GregWeld]

Ron-I went back through and saw pictures of the exhaust being routed through the tunnel, curious where and how it’s exiting. If I recall you’ve installed a mostly flat bottom with naca ducts for the rear brakes...any pictures on a lift with the full pan and what nots in place?

:flag2:



We're not spilling our guts here...... LOL


Exhaust exits with dumps


Tunnel bottom closure/coverage is optional.... we'll be watching temps etc this coming NASA event now that it's coated with the 2000* stuff inside and out.


Remember the goal here --- was originally just for "me" -- so the fact that I might run 1 whole second slower average because of weight or aero not being IMSA LMP perfect..... yeah - big whoop.


Now --- having said that --- if a guy want to beat a track record -- or run with TrackMuscle..... then maybe all that has to be spot on.


See where Dylan is? See the muffler on the table --- that's going right above his head and then turndowns.... all of it beautifully TIG welded......





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[DBasher]

Ahhh, I see...kinda. If I’m seeing and understanding correctly, exhaust runs through the tunnel, which can be closed off, past the rear axle (over or under) and dumps into the diffuser? If so, BRILLIANT!

[Ron Sutton]

Ahhh, I see...kinda. If I’m seeing and understanding correctly, exhaust runs through the tunnel, which can be closed off, past the rear axle (over or under) and dumps into the diffuser? If so, BRILLIANT!

Haha. Not brilliant. Just common sense. But yes, the exhaust dumps in front of the diffuser so it can be extracted with the under car airflow coming out the rear of the car through the diffuser.

[Track Junky]

Dave Brown ran a 1:54 in Karl Chikas '69 Camaro w/stock subframe, lateral dynamics 3 link, 275's up front, 315's rear, & 650 hp at crank.
This thing should run 1:51's or less with ease

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Dave Brown ran a 1:54 in Karl Chikas '69 Camaro w/stock subframe, lateral dynamics 3 link, 275's up front, 315's rear, & 650 hp at crank.
This thing should run 1:51's or less with ease I assumed he was running 315’s all around.

[Flash68]

I assumed he was running 315’s all around.

Nope.

[Flash68]

Dave Brown ran a 1:54 in Karl Chikas '69 Camaro w/stock subframe, lateral dynamics 3 link, 275's up front, 315's rear, & 650 hp at crank.
This thing should run 1:51's or less with ease

Dave Brown is not your average driver. :bigun2:

I assumed he was running 315’s all around.

Nope!

[GregWeld]

Its true Greg, I got a meatloaf recipe a couple pages back. Their is also a cure for toenail fungus in the first couple pages, this thread is multifaceted, and awesome!!!!



1 lb lean ground beef
1 package Jimmy Deans HOT sausage
1 onion saute'd 'til clear
1 egg
bread crumbs
1 tblspoon Worschestire sauce
pinch of Sage
a little milk


It's really the Jimmy Deans sausage that makes this different....

[Ketzer]

....now I'm hungry...

[GregWeld]

....now I'm hungry...




I'm hungry to see this monster roll at WOT and crank over for T1.....

[DBasher]

Meatloaf, beatloaf....

[GregWeld]

In case someone forgets what the thread is about...... It's about BAD ASS track cars being built.....





So you start with something that looks like this.....




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You keep working weekends and nights until you have something like this....






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You Add......





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And ADD some more........






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And in an EXTREMELY SHORT period of time BAM!(for this build only I'm quite sure!)





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It will be wrapped like this






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[TimeWarpF100]

In case someone forgets what the thread is about...... It's about BAD ASS track cars being built.....





[/ATTACH]

Surely waiting for this to be on the track!

[Ron Sutton]

Greg's 70 Mustang Track Warrior is all apart right now.

While builder Randy Chastain is on vacation in the Redwoods, the body is being sanded on & insides sealed black. It will be back Monday, as will Randy. The chassis & interior sheet metal just got back from powder coat. It is a light gray metallic. From a distance, the chassis looks primer. But up close you can see the gloss & a small amount of metallic.

Headers & exhaust went to Jet-Hot High Performance Coatings in North Carolina. Everything will be coated inside & out with their 2000° Thermal Barrier ceramic coating. Assembly starts Tuesday, July 24th. Setup day is Tuesday, July 31st. If all goes well, it will get wrapped on Wednesday & go to the track Thursday.

We're looking forward to running the car in its maiden event (NASA Race) at Thunderhill on Aug 4-5. :trophy-1302:

[Vegas69]

This will be fun to watch!

[GregWeld]

This will be fun to watch!



It's BEEN fun already!!


You really need see this beast in person.... it's like everything a guy hoped for. When Sutton and I (and several others) were at PRI show -- we'd walk the aisles and look at products - and we'd see whole cars or chassis.... and I'd say "will it be like this" and Ron would say.... No....it's going to be meaner....


DING DING DING --- WINNER!! LOL

[Tinker]

And in an EXTREMELY SHORT period of time BAM!(for this build only I'm quite sure!)





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[GregWeld]

It certainly does have a bit of the Mopar Fat butt.....

We laughed about that several times when seen for the first time.

[1970RT]

It certainly does have a bit of the Mopar Fat butt.....

We laughed about that several times when seen for the first time.
Hips. They’re called “hips.” And she’s certainly full figured.

David

[GregWeld]

Hips. They’re called “hips.” And she’s certainly full figured.

David




Yes! She's a hippie!

[Tinker]

Glad you found the humorous side as I did.
No matter what it may resemble, it is badass, and that back view will be very familiar to other drivers on track.

[MattO]

Well bud, I hope you're happy. I went through this entire build thread and I'm jealous. I need his/hers for the girlfriend and I. Does it come in pink? :lmao:

If you're gonna be in NorCal, I should get you in touch with dad. He'd love to see ya.

[GregWeld]

Well bud, I hope you're happy. I went through this entire build thread and I'm jealous. I need his/hers for the girlfriend and I. Does it come in pink? :lmao:

If you're gonna be in NorCal, I should get you in touch with dad. He'd love to see ya.



A bunch of us will be at Thunderhill Raceway August 3 - 4 - 5th for the NASA event.

I have shop space #21 there -- right next to the tire store.

Tell him to come on up!

[GregWeld]

Exact same width as my Mustang, with a LS7, hmmmhttps://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/Mustang/i-k87zX6t/0/91607986/L/mustang%20075-L.jpg




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[57hemicuda]

Really bad when 275's look dinky. 335s FTW

At least I win in a panel fitment contest. LOL

https://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/Mustang/i-7nq5pDp/0/6602ba56/L/DSC_0789e%2012x18-L.jpg

[GregWeld]

YES --- 275's are big tars! I just chuckled when I stumbled on to the two pics and thought man! I thought the Tars on RS car were huge....

[GregWeld]

It’s going back together......


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[65_LS1_T56]

A bunch of us will be at Thunderhill Raceway August 3 - 4 - 5th for the NASA event.

I have shop space #21 there -- right next to the tire store.

Tell him to come on up!

Looking forward to it! :woot:

[GregWeld]

Looking forward to it! :woot:



ASSume Rob has your arrival time......

We'll pick you up - head to Lillards -- take a leak in his yard -- grab my trailer and head back to the shop to fetch The Missile.....

Bring cool comfortable clothes! It's going to be H O T ---- and possibly SMOKEY....

But the FUN part is guaranteed!!

[gnx7]

There is so much about this build that keeps me coming back. Those front tires! :confused18:

[GregWeld]

There is so much about this build that keeps me coming back. Those front tires! :confused18:

And imagine HOOSIERS that someone accidentally must have sanded the tread off....

OH --- and that ZERO SCRUB.....

LOL

[GTWayne]

1 lb lean ground beef
1 package Jimmy Deans HOT sausage
1 onion saute'd 'til clear
1 egg
bread crumbs
1 tblspoon Worschestire sauce
pinch of Sage
a little milk


It's really the Jimmy Deans sausage that makes this different....

It surprises me your daughter would let you post such a culinary travesty.
(Try some Spanish Chorizo):welcome3:

[GregWeld]

It surprises me your daughter would let you post such a culinary travesty.
(Try some Spanish Chorizo):welcome3:


She would murder me with her cleaver for posting that!

LOL

[GregWeld]

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[Vegas69]

Might as well shut this site off after this build... HA HA My kind of build!

[Matt@BOS]

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I hope you and DG have a pair of Mustang LS swap shirts and Make America Great Again hats, just so we can all see the look on Rob's face!:lol:

[GregWeld]

I hope you and DG have a pair of Mustang LS swap shirts and Make America Great Again hats, just so we can all see the look on Rob's face!:lol:



Oh -- I have to be nice to RD --- he's saving my bacon once again by Driving Miss Daisy....


I will be wearing THIS!!!




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[GregWeld]

Remember --- the entire lower frame is "tinned out" -- so the wiring is NOT hanging in the atmosphere or subject to rocks etc....

Pretty cool..... I love the flushed out bottom of the chassis.




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[FETorino]

Oh -- I have to be nice to RD --- he's saving my bacon once again by Driving Miss Daisy....


I will be wearing THIS!!!




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$ hit. If Greg actually gets behind the wheel for a couple sessions I’ll wear one of those ugly Mustang bashing shirts. :action-smiley-027:

[Matt@BOS]

$ hit. If Greg actually gets behind the wheel for a couple sessions I’ll wear one of those ugly Mustang bashing shirts. :action-smiley-027:

Is that your way of motivating Greg to get behind the wheel?

[Ns RS]

Is that your way of motivating Greg to get behind the wheel?

yeah feel free to tell stunt driver benny to step aside anytime - just don't spin lol

[GregWeld]

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[Avgasman]

Now that’s an attention getter.

[Tinker]

Now that’s an attention getter.

Understatement of the year!

Good luck this weekend!

[Tinker]

Some of you may not have realized on our shake down day the car wasn't ready to race or run many laps because the interior tin wasn't sealed & the exhaust wasn't thermal barrier coated.

The cockpit needs to be fully sealed from the engine bay & fuel cell area. We use a 3M Fire Retardant Sealer good up to 2000°. The exhaust runs so close to the transmission, the gear oil would overheat in it if the exhaust was uncoated. So we Jet-Hot coat the inside & outside of the header tubes & exhaust. (Mufflers only on the outside) This knocks down the radiant heat around the transmission & driver by 40-45°.

The Mustang comes apart late this week to go to powder coat. In our Track-Warrior cars like Greg's ... the steel floor, firewall & bulkhead/rear deck sheet metal are welded to the chassis ... and get powder coated along with the chassis & cage assembly. When it goes back together for final assembly, Randy Chastain will utilize the 3M Fire Retardant Sealer on every seam under the car, at the firewall & at the rear bulkhead & decklid sheet metal. This prevents C0², smoke, oil, fire, etc from entering into the cockpit.

I'm outlining this important step, because many of you already have, or will, modify the sheet metal in your builds & NEED TO KNOW it's critical to seal it & what to use. It's NOT OK to leave any seam unsealed. It's unsafe.

The car will go back together later this month & get ready to go run the NASA event at Thunderhill Raceway in Willows California on Aug 4-5. Since the car wasn't built to fit a class, we will run it in the "Unlimited" class of NASA's Time Attack, known as TTU. Since it is an unlimited class, often there are Prototype race cars that run in TTU.

https://digbza2f4g9qo.cloudfront.net/-/media/IndyCar/News/Standard/2017/01/01-28-Hinchcliffe-Mazda-Prototype-Rolex24.jpg?h=564&la=en&w=940&vs=1&d=20170127T222528Z

We won't stand a chance against any Prototype race cars, with our Trans Am style 70 Mustang. But if there are no Prototype race cars, we'll have a good shot at running up front. Our driver Benny Moon is super talented, but hasn't been in a real race car is many years, so he'll need to shake off the rust as we work up to speed.

I don't know how fast we'll get this first weekend. I plan to do only basic tuning for balance. But it would be fun to have a pool of folks betting on Benny's best lap of the weekend.

We have a betting pool ... similar to a football pool.
* 100 times between 1:50.0 & 1:59.9 lap time, a tenth of a second apart
* Pick one time or as many as your wallet can handle
* Closest time wins all the pool money & bragging rights
* Only 1 time, Best time of the weekend, counts

Pick your time(s) HERE (http://shop.ronsuttonracetechnology.com/shopping/?ic=6106).



C'mon guys, let's fill up that pool!

[CJD Automotive]

5 months ---- and ready to roll this weekend.....

Hey Greg, car looks fantastic!

Not sure you'll know, but just curious on the amount of shop time to build a race car from scratch. Was this car worked on everyday, all all day to get to this point, or a few days a week, one guy, two, ?, etc...

[Panteracer]

Amazing what a little color does
Car looks great.. and I thought I
had a big wing

You guys have a great time this weekend
Be safe

Bob

[SSLance]

Looking at the close up pics, they did an excellent job with the wrap!!

It looks fantastic.

Show some interior pics when you get a chance please...

[Spiffav8]

5 months ---- and ready to roll this weekend.....



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[shelteredV]

Damn. that is all.

Oh. And have a blast.
And be safe.

[TZ28]

Looks incredible. Amazing work

[rickpaw]

5 months ---- and ready to roll this weekend.....



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Tu

[waynieZ]

I love it Greg. Now kick some ass.

[GregWeld]

While anyone that's ever done this - or built a new car etc -- and in record time -- and there's quite a bit of work yet to be done ---- ON DAY ONE FIRST EVER EVENT -------- THE CAR WAS FASTEST OVER ALL OF THE DAY.

Now --- couple this --- with a "WTF WERE YOU THINKING" NASA decided to hold this weekends races BACKWARDS --- so nobody knows the track - the track is "sketchy" at speed -- so much so that the PORSCHE guys told the officials -- "THEY" were running the CCW (normal) way or they weren't running as a group... so they (smart) ran CCW while we all had to run CW.

Now imagine -- new car - zero seat time - Poor Benny Moon has to be "DA MAN" and not only is doing test and tune - and marching to Suttons orders (LOL) about do this and that because we're still dialing --- AND the man goes out and posts fast time of the day.

Hats off to Mister Moon.....

The rest of the crew has been THRASHING to keep this missile moving forward. AND OMG does it ever move forward!

Yes we know the video sucks - and there's all manor of things we will work on -- but being YouTube heros the first day out is not the goal. Trust me - we'll get better at this. It's a Vbox HD 2 camera system - and there's a ton of stuff you can do with it - but takes time to figure out. We will.


Our fast time of the day was a 1:56.174

What the people in the paddock are saying is the CW version is about 3 seconds slower than the normal CCW layout... Sadly it's also, so hot, and so smokey that at times is hard to even want to be "active" and suck in all that bad air -- and I thank everyone that is here helping -- the crew - Dylan - Greg (TOG) - Jeff - Randy.... and, of course Mister Ron Sutton.


OH -- AND SKIP the first 4 minutes ---- get right after it!! Go back and watch from the beginning later.... LOL




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[rixtrix1]

Wow! That's awesome out of the box.

[SSLance]

Good luck to the crew out there today!! Can't wait to see how it gets even better...

[SSLance]

Live timing link... They just started their first session of the day

https://racehero.io/events/nasa-norcal-thunderhill-raceway-aug-4-5

12:30, 1:50, and 4:15pm PST are the rest of the TT sessions

[craig510]

Was that close to 240 mph on the main straight? That is smoking fast. I just opened it in youtube and realized the gauge is in km/h so that is more like 150 mph.

[mfain]

Was that close to 240 mph on the main straight? That is smoking fast. I just opened it in youtube and realized the gauge is in km/h so that is more like 150 mph.


Can you re-post the YouTube link - I'm not seeing it in Greg's post.

Thanks

Pappy

[SSLance]

https://youtu.be/9PijDshTuBg

[waynieZ]

I wish I was a little guy I'd have you zip tie me in it so I could go for one lap in it.

[gerno]

Awesome the car did so well and it sounds like everyone had a good time. Car sounds awesome in the video.

The important question from here is, did you strap in and take a few laps for yourself????



While anyone that's ever done this - or built a new car etc -- and in record time -- and there's quite a bit of work yet to be done ---- ON DAY ONE FIRST EVER EVENT -------- THE CAR WAS FASTEST OVER ALL OF THE DAY.

Now --- couple this --- with a "WTF WERE YOU THINKING" NASA decided to hold this weekends races BACKWARDS --- so nobody knows the track - the track is "sketchy" at speed -- so much so that the PORSCHE guys told the officials -- "THEY" were running the CCW (normal) way or they weren't running as a group... so they (smart) ran CCW while we all had to run CW.

Now imagine -- new car - zero seat time - Poor Benny Moon has to be "DA MAN" and not only is doing test and tune - and marching to Suttons orders (LOL) about do this and that because we're still dialing --- AND the man goes out and posts fast time of the day.

Hats off to Mister Moon.....

The rest of the crew has been THRASHING to keep this missile moving forward. AND OMG does it ever move forward!

Yes we know the video sucks - and there's all manor of things we will work on -- but being YouTube heros the first day out is not the goal. Trust me - we'll get better at this. It's a Vbox HD 2 camera system - and there's a ton of stuff you can do with it - but takes time to figure out. We will.


Our fast time of the day was a 1:56.174

What the people in the paddock are saying is the CW version is about 3 seconds slower than the normal CCW layout... Sadly it's also, so hot, and so smokey that at times is hard to even want to be "active" and suck in all that bad air -- and I thank everyone that is here helping -- the crew - Dylan - Greg (TOG) - Jeff - Randy.... and, of course Mister Ron Sutton.


OH -- AND SKIP the first 4 minutes ---- get right after it!! Go back and watch from the beginning later.... LOL




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[GregWeld]

Today was basically more of the same --- tweak - fix - fuss - run - rinse and repeat.

I'm absolutely wasted after this weekend so I'm not even going to explain much -- because it's 8:30 and I feel like just crawling in bed.

We fussed with the video -- changed camera angle and picture in picture orientation. We DID change the track map - and for whatever reason the GPS overrides the selection and puts the 5 mile track map up..... WTF..... and couldn't find how to change the KPH to MPH.... so that is showing incorrect - looks like big ass numbers but you'll just have to do some math.

SECOND DAY - SECOND WIN..... mind you - all this running backwards stuff - the smokey air - the ash falling like rain..... it's a disaster out here right now. Just WOW. But here is THE BEAST.... for your listening and viewing pleasure.

So the start order is fastest out first -- and the BMW jumps out -- okay -- no problem - we'll run his ass down when we quit playing with stuff and Ron's voice crackles over the radio -- his usual "Okay! Giddy UP! --- watch the BMW who has been charging the whole time while Benny is messing around.... LOL It's just too cool to be at the track and watching this gap opening and opening and all of a sudden -- no more gap -- SEE YA!!





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[Scratch]

Been waiting all weekend for this update. Happy things went well!!

[rixtrix1]

Mustang was FAST!!!

[Vegas69]

I don't care what the speedo is reading, it was pegged out! What a beast..

[Try2paz]

Awesome to say the least, loved watching that thing on track.

Track backwards or not he is one hell of a drive and smooth!

Congrats to the entire team on a successful weekend.