Thrift Shop Camaro

[Payton King]

I am finally getting around to starting my build thread as I have been putting it off for a while now. Some of you might remember my last car, Dead Cat, for those that do not here are a couple of pics.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/163710_62a1a31086_low_res.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/163763_58c348fb19_low_res.jpg

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http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/163743_2476639ef7_low_res.jpg

My new project is going to be the polar opposite of the one pictured above. It is going to be very raw and hopefully very fast.

I owned the yellow car for 19 years and always wanted a magazine quality car. After the car was complete and I started doing the "Run Through..." events, I found that I liked driving on the track way more than I liked driving on the street. Dead Cat was sold last year and now lives in AZ.

My new project is the Thrift Shop Camaro. Since I live in the heart of NASCAR country, I plan on using as many used race parts to build my car as will work with the direction I want this build to go. The name came to me when I met a guy that deals in used parts and I went to his storage building. As you can tell by the photos, the name just kind of jumped out at me as I was shopping.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793810_zps2bad9711.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793809_zps9d640ab6.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793813_zps8d44f0e4.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793811_zpsf3a42fe0.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793812_zps2d5e9f0e.jpg

[Payton King]

So here is the project car in all her glory, rougher than most but a diamond in the rough...at least that is what we all think when we are buying one of these piles.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG950631_zpse7746a8b.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG952634_zps88b1f65c.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG954214_zps233ba10b.jpg

[Flash68]

Yes! :thumbsup:

Been waiting for this... gonna be a killer. :guns:

[redfire69]

Oh yeah, my diamond looked like that once too! :G-Dub:

[Payton King]

Dave has been on me to post up my build. I told him that it was so similar to what he was doing that I was just going to add my name to the title of his thread. If you have been following his thread, you have a good idea what I am about to lay out for mine. Same idea, but different coast, the highlights of my plan are as follows:

All aluminum SB2.2 10:1 stroked to 400 ci (actually 393 but close enough)

Jerico or Tex dog ring 4 speed

Full frame with Jake's Hot Rod Shop suspension

Body dropped on frame with a ride height of 4 inches

11.5 front rims and 13 rear

Lexan

Wide body

Full cage

[Ron in SoCal]

^ I'll have what he's having...:lol:

Payton you shop at the best places! Go Daddy...:cheers:

[waynieZ]

Rock on Payton! This will be fun to watch.

[Track Junky]

Another epic build from Payton but in race car form. Sign me up!!

[Rybar]

Cool project, I think your nuts to sell such a nice car and build one again. :lol:

Have fun buddy :thumbsup:

[XLexusTech]

Awesome, I think i was standing next to you car a few weeks ago. I know there was a full chassis on the Jig... Might have been yours.. I will stop by Jakes rub it for luck.. for ya... :cheers:

Are you going to run those NASCAR brakes?

Subscribed...

[Royalworks]

Going with a down and dirty paint job?

[DOOM]

Payton can't wait to see how this one comes out!! My Camaro was the same color green as yours!!!

[fleetus macmullitz]

All aluminum SB2.2 10:1 stroked to 400 ci (actually 393 but close enough)

Jerico or Tex dog ring 4 speed

Full frame with Jake's Hot Rod Shop suspension

Body dropped on frame with a ride height of 4 inches

11.5 front rims and 13 rear

Lexan

Wide body

Full cage


T(N)ASTY!


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/bigkahuna_zpse4bb93e8.jpg

[tmadden]

Man I loved the dead cat!!! :bang: :bang:

[bonecrrusher]

Can't wait to see this one... Where is the car getting built at?

[snappytravis]

I checked yesterday to see if you had started a build thread, Car is going to be SWEET, Thanks for all the tips on my project

[glassman]

I am relatively new to the site and haven't seen anything like this from the start, for racing that is.....really looking forward to following this. Btw, your yellow one was/is absolutely SICK!!!. Never saw it in any of the rags though, I've only seen it in your avatar.

Mike

[snappytravis]

I am relatively new to the site and haven't seen anything like this from the start, for racing that is.....really looking forward to following this. Btw, your yellow one was/is absolutely SICK!!!. Never saw it in any of the rags though, I've only seen it in your avatar.

Mike

Here is a feature on Dead Cat http://www.lateral-g.net/king/

[intocarss]

My new project is going to be the polar opposite of the one pictured above. It is going to be very raw and hopefully very fast.

I owned the yellow car for 19 years and always wanted a magazine quality car. After the car was complete and I started doing the "Run Through..." events, I found that I liked driving on the track way more than I liked driving on the street. Dead Cat was sold last year and now lives in AZ.

My new project is the Thrift Shop Camaro. Since I live in the heart of NASCAR country, I plan on using as many used race parts to build my car as will work with the direction I want this build to go. The name came to me when I met a guy that deals in used parts and I went to his storage building. As you can tell by the photos, the name just kind of jumped out at me as I was shopping.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793810_zps2bad9711.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793809_zps9d640ab6.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793813_zps8d44f0e4.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793811_zpsf3a42fe0.jpg

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/35793812_zps2d5e9f0e.jpg

I've found Heaven

[Spiffav8]

Yeah....this is going to be good.

:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

I've found HeavenFlash ain't gonna sleep tonight after seeing those pics. :D

[89 RS]

Dead Cat was a sweet ride, can't wait to see how this one turns out. Alot of cool builds going on right now.

[Vegas69]

Glad you are better at building them than naming them...:D Definitely be watching this puppy come together.

[Flash68]

Flash ain't gonna sleep tonight after seeing those pics. :D

Oh I will sleep fine. Payton and I have been shopping at the same stores recently. :)

[FETorino]

Dave has been on me to post up my build. I told him that it was so similar to what he was doing that I was just going to add my name to the title of his thread. If you have been following his thread, you have a good idea what I am about to lay out for mine. Same idea, but different coast, the highlights of my plan are as follows:

All aluminum SB2.2 10:1 stroked to 400 ci (actually 393 but close enough)

Jerico or Tex dog ring 4 speed

Full frame with Jake's Hot Rod Shop suspension

Body dropped on frame with a ride height of 4 inches

11.5 front rims and 13 rear

Lexan

Wide body

Full cage

Geeze all I need :rolleyes: one more Camaro build that I have to admit I like :thumbsup:


Oh I will sleep fine. Payton and I have been shopping at the same stores recently. :)


For Paytons sake I hope he is buying his motor parts from a different source. :bitchslap: :cheers:

[Flash68]

Glad you are better at building them than naming them...:D

Says the guy who named his car after a really bad Mel Gibson movie. :lol:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/movieposter_zps94bf46ee.jpg

[Matt@BOS]

... And I'm sure this is what Payton named his car after. :lol:

When I saw the title this immediately started playing in my mind.

QK8mJJJvaes

[BBC71Nova]

^^ now that's pretty funny. :lmao:

Can't wait to see how this one turns out Payton. That's my kind of "thrift store" btw. I gotta keep that in mind next time I visit NC.

[rchaskin]

All aluminum SB2.2 10:1 stroked to 400 ci (actually 393 but close enough)

Jerico or Tex dog ring 4 speed

Full frame with Jake's Hot Rod Shop suspension

Body dropped on frame with a ride height of 4 inches

11.5 front rims and 13 rear

Lexan

Wide body

Full cage

I had this same idea in my head, but a little more like a "Late Model" type racecar. Wide 5 hubs, quickchange etc.

We will have to catch up at one of the events this year. I am in the Hickory area.
I dont post here much. Same username on PT.

Good luck....Sounds like a killer setup!!

Randy

[Payton King]

Matt is about right on the video. I have 2 boys 10 and 13 and I have listened to that song about 1 million times to and from soccer practice. It does fit though. First time I went to that guy's storage building I had a specific amount of cash in my pocket to get a gas pedal. Once I was there I knew I was going to be short on cash. Next time, I had more than $20 dollars and I was poppin' tags.

Lots of used NASCAR and circle track re-sellers in the area. He is just one of many. Next time I go up to Roush /Yates I will get some photos. Imagine a Home Depot, but with race parts filling the shelves. Motors on pallets stack in the shelves, entire car on one isle. It is crazy.

As soon as I figure out how to do the questions in quotes it will be easier to answer specific questions. Before I started the build, I was going to get a Howe road race front clip and run the 5x5 hubs and all the circle stuff.

Tough to be creative with a name for a project when I am not creative enough to do something other than a Camaro. It is a little goofy to name you car or project anyway, but how else do you keep your seperate from the others? "I am the guy doing the 1st gen Camaro on the site." Yea, that narrows me down to about 1000 projects. LOL

Somebody asked about NASCAR brakes. Kind of...using an AP calliper used in circle track with a lug mount on a floater with a Grand National hub in the rear. I will post up some pics later on that one.

The yellow car was on the Cover of Camaro Performers and had an 8 page spread. April of 2009 (Thank you Mr. Rupp!)

As far as paint, you may be looking at it. Going to replace the roof so it will be in primer, may leave the rest of the car as is until I get it sorted. It will be a wide body, but may cut out the fenders and quarter dirt track style for a season.

This is my inspiration photo/drawing

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

[Sieg]

This is my inspiration photo/drawing


I like the way you're thinking! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

DTM fan and going to try and give it that twist. Once the tires and wheels are on, I am going to use foam and cardboard and see if I can get the look. May look like crap, but I will never know until I try.

[Sieg]

DTM fan and going to try and give it that twist. Once the tires and wheels are on, I am going to use foam and cardboard and see if I can get the look. May look like crap, but I will never know until I try.

If you can pull it off and make it "just barely street legal" for an occasional romp on public roads it would be neck snapper! Really looking forward to seeing where your vision and resourcefulness takes you on this one. :thumbsup:

(PS - Please don't put two little white stripes on it.....LOL)

[XLexusTech]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

Holy hell that's the fastest rendering i have ever seen :-).. just looking at it makes me think.. fast!
:RunninDog:

[Payton King]

more along the lines of a flat white vinyl wrap that I saw on 75% of the cars this year at SEMA...continuing to be original. May even go with a dark gold rim like the old school stuff. No Z stripes on this one.

[dolf]

instant favorite! Looks like Jakes suspension keeps getting faster and faster around here

[Sieg]

You might enjoy grazing on some of the images and info on this site:
http://www.scharch.org/Cars/Monza_Racecars/Monza-DeKon_Chassis.htm

[Payton King]

it is amazing what you can find with a google search.

[Payton King]

You cannot have a full frame car with the floors and trunk in the way, unless you are The Roadster Shop. The plan is to cut out the offending metal, plate the inner rockers and slide the body over the frame.

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[57hemicuda]

I'm a big fan of jagged metal, and used parts. You know that cheap=fun in my book. Its funny how many guys(me included) got a case of the as$ after having a super shiny high end magazine car. Kinda took the fun out of it, plus the fact that 150mph blasts seem to take there toll on shiny cars.

As far as the thread name, from a guy who had Muttstang, or $5k budget Mustang, I feel people in glass houses, you know.Can't wait to see this come together.

[byndbad914]

I happened across this thread tonight - I had no idea you were building a full frame racer as well. We are moving in slightly different paths - you are going toward full race and I am moving back toward some race, some street. I had a new 10 GS Vette for a bit and had to sell it because every rock chip drove me batsh!t crazy so I learned I like 'em a little ugly and fast, not shiny and fast, as well. :thumbsup:

I love the DTM stuff as well and thought about doing something like that with the Nova - when I found myself needing to narrow the front track to get the 12" tires in there I thought about pulling the whole fender out and just adding a 2" step at the rear of the front fender, similar to your rendering. Going that route with a Camaro should be pretty wild looking. I would stick with a rough look as you suggest you might for awhile - I don't plan to paint the Nova until I have a fair amount of track time on it and have done some sorting, because part of sorting tends to be a few off-track excursions that are hell on paint and low altitude front splitters. I have mowed a fair amount of lawn with my 914's splitter and my fiberglass nose has some damage to prove it :lol:

As for that thrift store, holy hats Batman! I have never seen so many hats in one place in my life, let alone calipers. Those AP brakes are certainly nice.

Subscribed - between your thread and a few that others that are posting here have going, I should get plenty of ideas for changes as my car progresses.

[Stovebolter]

That's going to be a sweet project Payton. I'll be watching this?

David

[coolwelder62]

Says the guy who named his car after a really bad Mel Gibson movie. :lol:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/movieposter_zps94bf46ee.jpgHey,I liked that Movie.LOL!!!! Payton, Sorry I missed your thread until now.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Hey,I liked that Movie.LOL!!!! Payton, Sorry I missed your thread until now.

Mel Gibson/Payback > Chevy Chase/Fletch.

lol

[sixnina]

This car is gonna be badass I can't wait to see this one.:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

This one is definitely going to be on the edge of being street car, but if you not living on the edge you are taking up too much room.

[XLexusTech]

This one is definitely going to be on the edge of being street car, but if you not living on the edge you are taking up too much room.

If it has License plates and DOT glass, its a street car... IMHO>..:dance:

[Payton King]

that someone did that got me thinking about the DTM style...almost made me do a Cuda that Ron had.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/cudadtm_zps5a9f1cd5.jpg

[mdprovee]

Love the direction you are going with this. Both "renderings" are cool!!

[Beach Cruiser]

Looks good! See if you can build it to fit the NASA Outlaw Vintage specs so we can play around on the track some in the next year or so. Don't plan on painting mine anytime sone, Flat black fenders are easy to bolt on an blend in with the rest of the car! LOL

[byndbad914]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/cudadtm_zps5a9f1cd5.jpg
now that is pretty awesome, has the front fender pushed out like I was mentioning. I am not a fan of the latest, really choppy rear shaping on the cars - I am sure the aero is important but at the same time, loses a little form for the sake of function. You are killing me Payton - I really want the Nova to look like a sleeper and have stock body form but now I am starting to think I should pull the fenders out front and rear :D Running the exhaust down behind the rockers and dumping out like a sidepipe would be fricken cool tho'

[Jr]

Payton,
Can't wait for this car to make some progress. Very cool.

[Payton King]

Will get frame photos posted up soon.

There will be a lot of mock up before I settle on any body mods, those renderings were just giving me idea. Tim, it would be tough not to have a wide body something after the 914.

[crille_hallden]

Matt is about right on the video. I have 2 boys 10 and 13 and I have listened to that song about 1 million times to and from soccer practice. It does fit though. First time I went to that guy's storage building I had a specific amount of cash in my pocket to get a gas pedal. Once I was there I knew I was going to be short on cash. Next time, I had more than $20 dollars and I was poppin' tags.

Lots of used NASCAR and circle track re-sellers in the area. He is just one of many. Next time I go up to Roush /Yates I will get some photos. Imagine a Home Depot, but with race parts filling the shelves. Motors on pallets stack in the shelves, entire car on one isle. It is crazy.

As soon as I figure out how to do the questions in quotes it will be easier to answer specific questions. Before I started the build, I was going to get a Howe road race front clip and run the 5x5 hubs and all the circle stuff.

Tough to be creative with a name for a project when I am not creative enough to do something other than a Camaro. It is a little goofy to name you car or project anyway, but how else do you keep your seperate from the others? "I am the guy doing the 1st gen Camaro on the site." Yea, that narrows me down to about 1000 projects. LOL

Somebody asked about NASCAR brakes. Kind of...using an AP calliper used in circle track with a lug mount on a floater with a Grand National hub in the rear. I will post up some pics later on that one.

The yellow car was on the Cover of Camaro Performers and had an 8 page spread. April of 2009 (Thank you Mr. Rupp!)

As far as paint, you may be looking at it. Going to replace the roof so it will be in primer, may leave the rest of the car as is until I get it sorted. It will be a wide body, but may cut out the fenders and quarter dirt track style for a season.

This is my inspiration photo/drawing

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

Is it a Swedish flag on the car?

Best regards from Sweden... :-)

[Payton King]

The guy that did the drawing is from there I believe. I think his name is Zonder?

[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_01362_zps52feb71e.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

Money shot! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Sieg]

The fire is lit! Really like the all business approach of their design and fabrication. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Way to hit the ground running Payton. :thumbsup:

[cencalc6]

Excellent job on the frame

[fleetus macmullitz]

Gonna be a track beast. :cool:

[waynieZ]

Very Nice Payton!

[syborg tt]

Payton

This car is going to be really cool. I agree with no more show cars make them so you can drive them. I don't want to have to worry about scratches or nicks on the car.

[Payton King]

Figured that I would get some work done and not stretch the build thread out for 2 years.

I got some mock up engine parts from my friend Jim Pettigrew, who works for Hendrick and did some work on the yellow car. These parts were sent up to Jake. SB2.2 heads from a blown up Cup motor, the motor plate is mine that I got from Hendrick. Mock up oil pump and a set of tri-y style stainless headers from I believe Jimmy Johnson's car. They are made by Pro Fab. 5 gallon Peterson oil tank.

So my thrift shop buys are the oil tank, headers and motor plate.

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[Ron in SoCal]

Awesome Payton! Any idea if the headers will actually fit or do you need to mock up and see? Where's the oil tank going?

[Payton King]

Oil tank will be in the trunk or rear seat area.

Headers are up there to see if they clear. I can get different Y's and a different merge collector if needed as they all slide on. More concerned with floor clearance. They should clear everywhere else or with a small amount of additional fab work. Figure these new are $3600 and I can get them for $600...way cheaper than having a custom set made.

[Flash68]

You know I like your style Mr Dead Cat. :lol:

What are the dimensions of that tank (when you get a chance)?

[sik68]

Can't wait to see this one come together!

[GrabberGT]

"this is ****ing awesome!"

Please ensure you leave enough room for the sound system to play this on continuous loop. Never heard it before but...




... And I'm sure this is what Payton named his car after. :lol:

When I saw the title this immediately started playing in my mind.

QK8mJJJvaes

[Payton King]

is pretty big....22 inches by 9 inches. Although they call them a 5 gallon tank(total volume), you normally run about 3 gallons in them.

[Ummgawa]

Hey Payton,

This is going to be a wicked ride. If you are through Atlanta again, give me a holler.

Jim



Hey,I liked that Movie.LOL!!!! Payton, Sorry I missed your thread until now.

Me too! One of my favorites! There are two versions and one does stink, but the one where he blows up the bad guys, that's the the good one.

[sixnina]

If you don't mind can I ask what size rect. tubing did you use for the the frame rails and the round supports?
Shane
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[57hemicuda]

I can tell just by looking at the tubing its 2x4 tubing, looks like Jake snuck a piece of 3x4 in there where the core support bolts on,and 2x3 for the trans crossmember. Don't know for sure, but looks like 1 3/4" round tubing on the center there. I'm running the same front clip on the AMX I'm building.

I really like the minimal nature of Jake's frame, keeps the weight down knowing that there will be alot of cage work holding it all together. Loving this build so far.

[Payton King]

The 2x3 for the torque arm crossmember was done like that so when I run 3 inch exhaust it will not hang below the frame...Jake's idea

[Payton King]

Magnesium Quarter Master bell housing, flywheel, Tilton tri-lite throw out bearing, Quarter Master 7.25 triple disc clutch and billet starter....$500 for all.

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[GregWeld]

I must have gotten drunk and missed this thread! WTF.....


Love the direction Payton!


This is gonna be fun! And I like Swartz's (did I get that spelling right?) comment about cheap = fun.... Every time I see the Mustang I bought from Charley -- I think -- Dude! That's the most fun in the shed - and also the cheapest!

[Beach Cruiser]

Very nice! If this is a thrift shop build, I'm gonna have to rename mine to Scrap Pile build! Although I do have a SuperT10 from Dave Marcis' old cup car.

[57hemicuda]

And I like Swartz's (did I get that spelling right?) comment about cheap = fun....


Its funny Greg, 80% of my customers are from the Jewish community, and they love Ron Swartz. If I correct them, and they find out it's Schwarz, and German instead of Jewish, they look at me like I'm Satan. So I go by Swartz, Schwartz, it really makes no difference. Most people think Jeff Schwartz and I are related, but we're not.

[GregWeld]

Its funny Greg, 80% of my customers are from the Jewish community, and they love Ron Swartz. If I correct them, and they find out it's Schwarz, and German, they look at me like I'm Satan. So I go by Swartz, Schwartz, it really makes no difference. Most people think Jeff Schwartz and I are related, but we're not.



Well if I had any class I'd have looked it up to get it right --- but I had a busy morning and didn't take the time.


I thee dub you "SCWHARZTIKA" <for all your Jewish friends!>


:headspin: :disgusted: :rolleyes: :hello:

[Payton King]

Got to attend a private track day at Charlotte Motor Speedway and they had the road course set up. Basically you turn into the infield just before turn 1, run the infield and back on the track about mid-turn 1. On the speedway all the way around until your turn back in at the start of turn 1. I brought Peter along and he let me take a few laps in his 69 since I have no car. On Goodyear R1's, full DSE suspension and 632 ci NELSON big block. Need to get my car done asap. His car was a rocket.

Jim, good to see you are still around and will look you up if I am down that way.

Still need to locate me a Jerico

GW, love your little mustang. After driving on those slicks it is almost silly to go back to street tires, but I don't have to tell you that.

[BBC71Nova]

So how did that BBC handle? IIRC that's an iron Big M block and they are tanks. I've been toying around with the idea of an aluminum BBC to keep the frontend weight down myself. Honestly it is cost prohibitive though so it is nice to hear another car is working nice with a motor at least as heavy as what I'll likely end up with. Although, I don't have the DSE frontend either...

[Payton King]

3900 lbs so she is a little chubby, but suprisingly well. It was not being pushed to the limits as it is not my car.

Slicks are like crack and may have been masking the weight, but the car was well ballanced. The track fast with really no tight turns, I may feel different track or autocross.

[Beach Cruiser]

Wow, sounds like a ton of fun! Wish I lived in car la la land! but I did get to send my son to race car school at UNCC. Are you going to the detroit speed slam at CMP? I'll be there in one car or the other. We met at Jake's hauler at VIR a couple years ago if you remember.

[Payton King]

and yes I will be at the Southern Slam just hanging out and watching the action.

[Payton King]

Peters motor

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/37874592_zps6d12cb77.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/37874592_zps6d12cb77.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/37874593_zpsf6a7b566.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/37874593_zpsf6a7b566.jpg.html)

Got to love the real race car stuff

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/37874584_zps914c54f1.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/37874584_zps914c54f1.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/37874595_zpsd910a3af.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/37874595_zpsd910a3af.jpg.html)

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[Payton King]

from a dirt track guy in CA. Was going to use it as a back up motor and never did anything with it. It is used, got it for about 1/3 cost of new. Brodix aluminum block that has been lightened.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/28716762-358.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/28716762-358.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/28716744-102.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/28716744-102.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/28547259-851-Brodix-Lightened-Aluminum-SBC-Block.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/28547259-851-Brodix-Lightened-Aluminum-SBC-Block.jpg.html)

[Sieg]

OK, that's just not fair!

What a score. :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

of stuff on www.racingjunk.com That is where I got this block.

[sixnina]

And Dave there's probably nothing good left on there! Definitely love the direction your going, Keep it up:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Shane

[69znc]

My car, which does not have a name, sorry Payton.... was highly insulted by the chubby comment. Luxury, plump is fine.. Beauty, driving and speed balance is reasonable...

[snappytravis]

Looking good Payton, that frame is one sweet piece, can't wait to see when they start on the body, low and wide, will be killer!

[65_LS1_T56]

Nice to meet you this weekend Payton, and listen to Ron tell stories of course :lmao:
Hope you had a safe trip back home.

[dinos67's]

really like the direction you are moving in this build is going to be a nice one:thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Been crazy busy with going to the Southern Slam in Kershaw and trying to wrap up both of my boys soccer season that will never end.

Ed, the engine builder, has been slowly coming up more and more great scores. He found a set of 6.2 Pankl rods with just a couple of dyno pulls on them. Apparently Roush was doing some rod/stoke testing and made 3 pulls, changed the combination and like what they found. He also found the fittings we need to use with the oil pan I picked up.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/MediaCardBlackBerrypicturesIMG02492_zps11db95ce.jp g (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/MediaCardBlackBerrypicturesIMG02492_zps11db95ce.jp g.html)

These rods have a hole laser drilled up the center to oil the wrist pin. The dry sumps were pulling so much vaccum that is was sucking the oil out of the wrist pin and causing motors to blow up.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/images_zpsfbe16cdd.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/images_zpsfbe16cdd.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Nice block there mister!!! I have block envy now.... Holy cow.

[Payton King]

wait till you see my oil pan...top notch fab work.

[Payton King]

Here is the oil pan that I picked up from Hendrick. Left over Busch Grand National pan that was never used with piston squirters.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/33650334_zpsf98ff028.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/33650334_zpsf98ff028.jpg.html)

90 degree fitting on the front of the pan is for the piston squirters

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/33650332_zpsecfda494.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/33650332_zpsecfda494.jpg.html)

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[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/33650335_zpsef42764d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/33650335_zpsef42764d.jpg.html)

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[GregWeld]

Now if that's not Pro Touring -- I don't know what else is! HAHAHAHAHA

[Ron in SoCal]

^ I want one. Garage art :D :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Wow³!!!

Like the old saying goes... "If it's good enough for pro-touring, it's good enough for NASCAR."


:D

[Payton King]

may apply, not sure about the touring though...

That pan probably weighs about 25 lbs. They make them thick so they do not get sucked in by pump. When those pans were new and they were running SB2 motors they were about $2100. I got it for $450 with fittings, instruction sheet, gaskets.

I hear you on the garage art. I have almost bought used parts that I would never use just for that very thing.

[GrabberGT]

Is there any concern about the pick-ups being all on the same side or does the dry-sump nullify that issue. I take it you plan to turn in more than 1 direction.

[coolwelder62]

That's cool.Fill it full of ranch dressing for dip bowl.

[Payton King]

of the crank throws oil to that side of the pan...why the pick ups are on the right. Have a 5 gallon tank that will have about 3.5 gallons of oil in it. Motor gets oil supply from tank not from pan, so it will not starve in right hand corners....I asked the same question when I bought it.

[GrabberGT]

of the crank throws oil to that side of the pan...why the pick ups are on the right. Have a 5 gallon tank that will have about 3.5 gallons of oil in it. Motor gets oil supply from tank not from pan, so it will not starve in right hand corners....I asked the same question when I bought it.


Thanks. Theres always something new to learn.

[57hemicuda]

That would make a nice desk fountain for adult beverages. Still can't get over how the aero/space industry is alive and well in the car world, that is some cutting edge stuff. I want one.

[Jay Hilliard]

That's cool.Fill it full of ranch dressing for dip bowl.

IM in for some hot wings, chips and dip. Anyone for some Pro-touring themed cutlery? :relax:

[FETorino]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/MediaCardBlackBerrypicturesIMG02492_zps11db95ce.jp g (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/MediaCardBlackBerrypicturesIMG02492_zps11db95ce.jp g.html)

These rods have a hole laser drilled up the center to oil the wrist pin. The dry sumps were pulling so much vaccum that is was sucking the oil out of the wrist pin and causing motors to blow up.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/images_zpsfbe16cdd.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/images_zpsfbe16cdd.jpg.html)

of the crank throws oil to that side of the pan...why the pick ups are on the right. Have a 5 gallon tank that will have about 3.5 gallons of oil in it. Motor gets oil supply from tank not from pan, so it will not starve in right hand corners....I asked the same question when I bought it.

:wow: Nice stuff ya got there. :thumbsup:

Like you said above some of those NASCAR 6 stage pumps create enough vacuum to dry out your bearings so what side the pick up is on kinda doesn't matter.

Before I dyno'd my dinosaur Dailey said to limit my vacuum to 12 or under in the crankcase to eliminate the possibility of drying the bearings.

With that rod set up how much vacuum does Ed think you can safely pull in the crankcase? What kind of ring package is he going to use to max the hp with the vacuum?

Are you going all in with spring oilers in the VCs also?

[waynieZ]

Those are some amazing parts. kinda sexy too!

[Flash68]

Now if that's not Pro Touring -- I don't know what else is! HAHAHAHAHA

Wow³!!!

Like the old saying goes... "If it's good enough for pro-touring, it's good enough for NASCAR."


:D

I co-sign these words. :thumbsup:

[snappytravis]

Sweet pan, gaining one piece at a time, looks good buddy!

[Payton King]

.043, .043, 3.0. Gold top, Napier second, Stainless Steel third. Total Seal. A solid 20 inches of vacuum...quote per Ed

I will be running a 5 stage pump and yes I am doing the valve covers with the spring oilers.

[GregWeld]

Man oh man..... I have peni....... er I mean motor envy!

[Payton King]

Ed is a big Ford guy since he worked for Roush and actually thinks the Ford D3 motor is a little better than the SB2 due to the exhaust port. He has 3 or 4 sets of heads in his shop now...that D3 would be perfect for that little yellow mustang.

[57hemicuda]

Or a big blue one.LOL

[Payton King]

on you Ron. Once that LS7 is out, just need a few measurements.

[Flash68]

20 inches... yowzers. You gonna run that high of vacuum on the track and street or think you might try to regulate it?

Ed is a Ford guy? what a shame. LOL

[Payton King]

If he tells me that is where I need to be, then I am going to run with it.

I am not going to be turning crazy R's on the street, so I cannot imagine it will be anywhere close to that just riding around.

[byndbad914]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/33650328_zps905ae7b9.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/33650328_zps905ae7b9.jpg.html)
Are those bungs welded in from the bottom some sort of inspection hole? I am assuming not drain plugs since any residual oil sitting in the pan would be below that bung height.

And I have never used banjo fittings on a pan like that. I have to say that is pretty slick on the NASCAR teams' usage, nice and tight packaging and I may have to reconsider doing something like that. Coming off of my current pan with even a 90 deg fitting takes a lot of space to sweep out when I am really just trying to come forward to the pump. I guess it just never popped into my head that they would work for that - they are obvious for brake lines but didn't consider scavenging with them. The screen on the end of the banjo bolt is great too.

[69znc]

I still think you are dreaming the end car will be street legal!!

[Flash68]

I still think you are dreaming the end car will be street legal!!

Oh but that is the best part! :rules:

[Payton King]

give access to the oil pan bolts, the pan has an internal rail.

The fittings are a banjo style but they snap on and do not have a bolt through them, very slick stuff. I would try and get them used as new ones are very expensive.

Still planning on it being street legal not because it will be. The lexan pretty much throws it out, but I can get it to pass inspection once, I am good to go. In NC with older cars, one inspection and they are good for life. I do think it will be silly trying to run street tires on the thing but I will not know until I try it.

[Payton King]

the car being street legal. Here is the AP Racing NASCAR pedal box I picked up. Per NASCAR rules the masters must be on the firewall and not in the car and the brake pedal must be steel. This system is the only one I know of that takes a pull type master. The "cage" holds one end of the master and the pedal pulls the rod...No side load with this set-up that can happen with a push type master.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/34897423_zps9195279d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/34897423_zps9195279d.jpg.html)

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[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/34897428_zps091ccf1b.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/34897428_zps091ccf1b.jpg.html)

This is the gas pedal made for the set that bolts to the pedal box

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[Vegas69]

Good stuff man! Using Nascar leftovers makes a hell of alot of sense to me vs. trying to invent your own wheel with lackluster aftermarket parts.

[bonecrrusher]

Ah hell - I am not on here for a few days, and you go and put more car porn on here!

Looking great!

[frojoe]

I hit the subscribe button so hard I think I almost broke my mouse.

You had me at *that shelving full for awesome calipers*

[65_LS1_T56]

the car being street legal. Here is the AP Racing NASCAR pedal box I picked up. Per NASCAR rules the masters must be on the firewall and not in the car and the brake pedal must be steel. This system is the only one I know of that takes a pull type master. The "cage" holds one end of the master and the pedal pulls the rod...No side load with this set-up that can happen with a push type master.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/34897427_zps0fb1450d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/34897427_zps0fb1450d.jpg.html)

Holy Billet Brackets, Batman :confused18:

Geesh there's a lot of machining in those

[Jr]

Killer build! I look forward to more updates

[FETorino]

.043, .043, 3.0. Gold top, Napier second, Stainless Steel third. Total Seal. A solid 20 inches of vacuum...quote per Ed

I will be running a 5 stage pump and yes I am doing the valve covers with the spring oilers.

Pretty impressive stuff

Ed is a big Ford guy since he worked for Roush and actually thinks the Ford D3 motor is a little better than the SB2 due to the exhaust port. He has 3 or 4 sets of heads in his shop now...that D3 would be perfect for that little yellow mustang.

That Ed sounds like a smart guy. :stirthepot:

Or a big blue one.LOL

Hm I like Ron's car but if that happened I wouldn't be ashamed to:D

[Payton King]

I have tons of pics of the cage construction, but they all seem to look the same after a while. Will try to pick and choose to give someone an idea of what is going on. Cage, when completed, will be NASA certified with a log book. I do not plan on going wheel to wheel racing, but you never know...I also have young kids, so I want to be as safe as possible.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_01972_zps56d7cbb1.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_01972_zps56d7cbb1.jpg.html)

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[Payton King]

Door bar

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

posted and the following, Jake put the frame back into the jig to finish welding the cage so the frame does not move.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02051_zps36aa19d3.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02051_zps36aa19d3.jpg.html)

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[intocarss]

Didn't realize you're doing all that AWESOME

[Sieg]

Looking good Payton!

Just another PT build raising the bar for those of us in the Pro Tinkering Class. :D

[Payton King]

Not sure what you would call my build, I may be coloring outside the lines a little bit to be called pro-touring...but that is where it started.

[Cris@JCG]

Don't care what you call it.. Please color outside of the lines! Looking forward to what the car will look like..

Not sure what you would call my build, I may be coloring outside the lines a little bit to be called pro-touring...but that is where it started.

[Flash68]

Not sure what you would call my build, I may be coloring outside the lines a little bit to be called pro-touring...but that is where it started.

Cage looks bad ass!

Whatever you call it it's gonna be light, low and faster than a muther trucker. :D

:trophy-1302:

[fleetus macmullitz]

'Everything's Jake.' :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Its funny, once everybody realized that you couldn't really hear the big kicking stereo over the engine, and rarely ever turned on the a/c, and when we did it was low on freon. What the hell, why put all that heavy crap in there.

The first time I went over 150 mph and carried it for a 1/2 mile or so, in a vehicle as aerodynamic as a brick, I realized the cage was my friend, and I will put up with that extra weight and expense. I personally, am still not ready for permanent door bars on a tagged car. Freakin race car!! I would have said HOMO, but don't think that's allowed anymore. LOL

I do think we need to name this new breed of cars, how about ragged touring, or lets go back to my roots, and call them street racers. Wow they sound stupid, we need somebody creative to get on this.

[Ron in SoCal]

Its funny, once everybody realized that you couldn't really hear the big kicking stereo over the engine, and rarely ever turned on the a/c, and when we did it was low on freon. What the hell, why put all that heavy crap in there.

The first time I went over 150 mph and carried it for a 1/2 mile or so, in a vehicle as aerodynamic as a brick, I realized the cage was my friend, and I will put up with that extra weight and expense. I personally, am still not ready for permanent door bars on a tagged car. Freakin race car!! I would have said HOMO, but don't think that's allowed anymore. LOL

I do think we need to name this new breed of cars, how about ragged touring, or lets go back to my roots, and call them street racers. Wow they sound stupid, we need somebody creative to get on this.

Hey Ron - If it's not posted as an asterick it's allowed. But the mods'll see this so your prob SOL. Wait, is that ok to say? :D

Some one at SEMA called it 'Pro-Racing'. I kinda like that as long as the real deal racers aren't around. When they are its 'Pro-Tracing' :lol:

[intocarss]

How about calling these "Road Raged"

[Sieg]

Not sure what you would call my build
Fun to drive.........that's what matters. :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

That sounds like a porn flick. Lol
I meant Road Ragged, but Fun To Drive would work as well.

[Payton King]

Maybe "Wanna be." As in a wanna be race car driver.

[WSSix]

You can name it whatever you're heart desires. It won't change how badass the car and others like it are to me.

[Jr]

I forgot to subscribe.

Awesome buiLd.

[badmatt]

The Battle Axe?

BMF Killar.

Forino' Huntr

Just a few...

:knokwood:

[WSSix]

Battle Axe already exists. It's a black 69 Camaro with a big big block. Donovan I think. Bob Johnson had it built by Johnson's Hot Rods

[Flash68]

The Battle Axe?

BMF Killar.

Forino' Huntr

Just a few...

:knokwood:

You ain't kiddin.... this is gonna be a force to be reckoned with.... I reckon.

:bigun2:

[Ron in SoCal]

Fun to drive.........that's what matters. :thumbsup:

That sounds like a porn flick. Lol
I meant Road Ragged, but Fun To Drive would work as well.

"FTD" cause he delivers. Or "Going Postal"...lol

Kinda liking the thread title/car name too...:headscratch:

[WSSix]

I'm with Ron honestly. I think Thrift Shop Camaro is a good name. After all, you're using a lot of second hand parts. It's unique and catchy. Someone do up a rendering of a magazine cover with a fancy font. Something that will really grab the person browsing and make them want to pick up the magazine then we can sell Payton on the name. :D

[Track Junky]

I like the title "Modern Day Vintage Race Cars". I wanted to start a magazine on them a while back with the same title then realized it was a start up of at least 125K a year.

[MX145]

Subscribed. Great job Payton. I'm running out of words for so many cool cars on this site. Your car is definitely at the top of the list.

[Payton King]

to dig this thread up. Been a busy summer for sure on my end.

I have a few small updates. Ended up with a 6.2 rod, looks like the bore will be 4.180 so I am going to be a little larger than the original 393 ci.

Heads are back and ready to assemble. Need to "cc" and see where we are so we can have some pistons made. Compression may bump up to 11:1 because I am back on making this thing fuel injected. No flow numbers on the heads...the guy that did them ran a TRD (toyota) program on them and they do not want the numbers out. Here are a few cell phone pics of the heads

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[Payton King]

from having the lifter bores done.

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[syborg tt]

Just curious what is more important on a race / track car. Horsepower or Torque ???

My very first project (1984 ) was a Toyota 4 banger and I bought everything Toyota sold including the supercharger. I was able to smoke all four 40" tall super swampers.

[Payton King]

I would want a big fat torque curve on a road course to pull out of the corners.

[Ron in SoCal]

Payton heads and block look awesome! Are you going solid roller?

x2 on the flat torque curve, but it can't be cammed like an RV :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Soild rollers, Crower if I am not mistaken. Cam is fairly large, but have not decided on which one. Ed is about to dyno an SB2 that he built for a Trans Am car and we are going to see how that one does.

[Ron in SoCal]

Soild rollers, Crower if I am not mistaken. Cam is fairly large, but have not decided on which one. Ed is about to dyno an SB2 that he built for a Trans Am car and we are going to see how that one does.

Quoting Jake here: "Nothing like a small block spinning @ 8500."

I like it! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Killer, Payton! :bigun2:

Payton heads and block look awesome! Are you going solid roller?


Come on Ron... this ain't no stinkin LS motor. :snapout:

:D



No flow numbers on the heads...the guy that did them ran a TRD (toyota) program on them and they do not want the numbers out.


Well look at you Ricky Bobby.... all top secret and stuff. :lol:


I have a few small updates. Ended up with a 6.2 rod, looks like the bore will be 4.185 so I am going to be a little larger than the original 393 ci.





3.625 stroke, yes?

[Payton King]

is 3.600. Trying to limit power curve to 8500...which just sounds stupid.

[carbuff]

No flow numbers on the heads...the guy that did them ran a TRD (toyota) program on them and they do not want the numbers out.

Payton, I'm confused... You are using SB2 heads, correct? Or did I miss something along the way? If so, how/why would a TRD CNC program (I'm assuming by program you meant a CNC porting of the heads) work on these heads?

I'm assuming I missed something obvious... :twak:

[waynieZ]

Heads and block look killer Payton. My wife thought I was checking out some nudie pictures when she heard me say beautiful! I used to love hearing my 69 Z/28 humming up to 8000, Music to my ears...

[byndbad914]

I like the rod to stroke ratio for that rpm requirement, 1.72 is solid.
Just curious what is more important on a race / track car. Horsepower or Torque ???
throw in my .02, worth maybe a penny... and specific to road racing, not drag racing.

keep in mind that HP is a multiplied number with torque the basis of the math and a multiplier of 5252, so it is basically a math measurement - dynos measure torque and then do math to quote a HP number and this is also why HP always equals torque at 5252 rpm.

HP = Torque x RPM ÷ 5252

Keeping that in mind, you want the most torque you can get in the power band that you are going to use which tends to start looking like HP since race cars operate at high rpm. So while the torque seems low in an F1 car, the HP is huge because it is multiplied by such a high rpm value - that said, that is the powerband they want to use to get the most overall power out of that engine combo so they are technically maximizing the engine for max torque in that powerband.

The way I have always tried to do it is have the car make max torque near the bottom of my rpm range -500rpm and max HP at the top rpm. So if I am going to shift at 8500rpm and my rpm drop is 1500 rpm with a race trans, I would want max torque around 6500 rpm with the torque curve as flat as possible up to 8500 rpm with the max HP around 8500. You don't want it to be too peaky of course as there will be turns where it is better to go below the band and "lug" out of the turn than shift and 1 second later shift again.

Point = while a slightly smaller cam might make a higher torque number at 6000 rpm than the bigger cam at 7000 rpm, may be even flat as hell from 4500-6500, and appear to only rob a little HP at 8000-8500 rpm, it does absolutely nothing for me on a road course because I will rarely use the power below 6500 rpm, maybe that one turn that it is easier to lug the engine than to downshift only to upshift a second later.

So, as an example, my current engine combo for my road race car - I wanted to use a tappet cam for longevity which limits the rpm a fair amount, which then adds to component longevity with springs, rods, so forth as higher rpm is higher loads on these parts. I have 7 years on this engine with zero rebuilding and it is just now starting to use oil and puff a little smoke, so I have gotten a lot out of it :)

Max torque = 5000 rpm with max HP at 7100 rpm. That is a 2100 rpm band. I had a 1500-1700 rpm drop on my shifts, so at 7100 rpm I would drop to 5400-5600 rpm which is peak torque + 500. If I felt like lugging a turn down to 4500 rpm I would, but I don't optimize for that. I could run out to 7500 rpm with no issues if it was required to run deep into a turn, but generally I shifted around 7K and dropped to around 5500 rpm.

That all goes out the window if you demand 2500 rpm drops of the trans, which then requires a much broader powerband from 5500-8500, but a spread that wide on shifts is a bad idea for a number of reasons, not just powerband.

[Flash68]

is 3.600. Trying to limit power curve to 8500...which just sounds stupid.

396 cubic inches... nice number. :thumbsup:

and yeah it's stupid... stupid awesome. :gitrdun:

[Payton King]

You are not missing anything as I asked the same question. Apparently the Chevy, Ford and Toyota head intake runners are all the same in Cup but everyone has what they think is the best program for the port work....learn something new every day.

Also learned after they run a race they pull the heads off and have a CNC machine that will do another valve job on the head and only take .002 off the seats. Crazy race stuff for sure at that level.

I need to go back and do the calcuations, but Ed told me 415.06 CI

[Ron in SoCal]

Don't fall out of your chair, Dave's math is correct. :D

[Payton King]

too lazy to work a calculator. Guess I can put 396 Camaro badges on my car now.

[carbuff]

You are not missing anything as I asked the same question. Apparently the Chevy, Ford and Toyota head intake runners are all the same in Cup but everyone has what they think is the best program for the port work....learn something new every day.

Well that sure is interesting... I wonder how that works? The SB2 heads have been around for a while, and Toyota is relatively new to the sport. So I'm curious how that is done from a design perspective...

Thanx for the info!

[Payton King]

Cubic inch calculation=3.147 x radius squared x stroke x 8

piston bore 4.180
stroke 3.60

395.89 CI

[byndbad914]

3.1416 (pi) x bore squared x stroke x 2.

That said, I am assuming you have a 9" deck height on the SB2? If so you would have a 1" compression height on the piston?

9" deck - 6.2" rod - 1.8" (stoke/2) = 1" CH

that is a short piston ;) Every time I would build up a 347 Ford (stroker 302) which has a 1.1 CH I would always think that piston seemed so short. The good news is your rod to stroke ratio as I mentioned before is better than a 347 and even tho' a 347 wasn't all that bad (1.59) they would rock the pistons a fair amount in high rpm engines and wear the skirts. I suspect having less side load from the longer R/S will help keep the pistons from rocking so much. I am a big fan of R/S values in the 1.7 range if you can't already tell. It does definitely keep the piston weight down which is good at 8500 rpm :unibrow:

Heck, the LS7 has nearly as short of a piston and much worse R/S and I bought a car with one so what do I know hahaha. 'Course 8500 rpm isn't in my future anytime soon.

[bonecrrusher]

Nice updates - that motor is going to be sick!

What kind of EFI you going to go w/?

[Payton King]

Very high piston pin, will be into the lower oil ring, no big deal. Very short piston skirt...like all NASCAR motors.

I will have plenty of photos once the pistons are made.

Speaking with Mike Norris now. Possibly a FAST system. Was going to convert it to coil over plug and run a LS1 box, but they only go to 8,000.

[65_LS1_T56]

but they only go to 8,000.

:lmao:

[57hemicuda]

That's what I was thinking too Aaron

[65_LS1_T56]

That's what I was thinking too Aaron

:knokwood: and to think I only hit 6100 at Gingerman, lol.

Payton, this thing is gonna be sweet. Can't wait to see it come together.

[DFRESH]

that someone did that got me thinking about the DTM style...almost made me do a Cuda that Ron had.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/cudadtm_zps5a9f1cd5.jpg

Dude, found your thread. I love this pic right here--that is awesome. Looking forward to seeing you work your magic on this one. All we ask is that you bring it to at least one West Coast event when it's running.

D

[Payton King]

Glad your back DFresh

Have lots of pictures to share and seem like no time to post them up. Here are a couple of pics of a quick motor mock up and to see if my Cup headers are going to work.

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[Payton King]

So Jake notched me a place out of the lower cross member

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[Flash68]

Dude you're holding out on us. I know you have more pics than that. :hitaxeonthehead:

That motor/headers fit nicely in there it appears... I like the X member notch. I may have to do that same thing. How much lower is that?

[coolwelder62]

Very Cool Payton.

[57hemicuda]

That header shot is money, they just scream race car.

[Payton King]

It gave me about 2 inches.

Lots more pics, just need to find the time to post up.

[waynieZ]

It looks great in there. It amazes me how big those heads are. Very Nice!

[Stovebolter]

Oh, very nice!!!

[DFRESH]

That is going to be killer! Put up more pics of the fab stuff please.

D

[mexMan]

Macklemore would be proud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes
Awesome work being done.

[67goatman455]

cup headers :hail:

[Payton King]

before the body goes back on

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Ron in SoCal]

Stiffy...:cheers:

[Flash68]

That's gonna be one tight mofo.

[Sieg]

Looking real good Payton! :thumbsup:

That's gonna be one tight mofo.

Good one to copy buddy. :whistling:

[carbuff]

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That's gonna be one heck of a driveline angle... :D

[Flash68]

Looking real good Payton! :thumbsup:



Good one to copy buddy. :whistling:

Easy there, Panama Red. :twak:

That's gonna be one heck of a driveline angle... :D

:lol:

[GregWeld]

Things to do BEFORE the body drop ----


Headliner...

Rear seat panels



Just kidding.... That should be stiff enough to withstand the attack of the Payton!

[snappytravis]

Chassis is looking awesome!:bow:

[Greg from Aus]

Wow what a cool build.

:king:

[Payton King]

Should have been the perfect time to powder coat the frame and paint inside of car before the body went back on but it did not work out that way.

Body is on the frame

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[Payton King]

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[Sieg]

Lookin' real thrifty Payton! :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Powder coating is just going to make it heavier!!!!!!!!!!!!:ohsnap: :ohsnap: Pretty Cool.

[syborg tt]

My suggestion would be to have it blasted and then have it electrostatically painted. Have them do the entire car on the inside car and if you ever need to touch it up it is very easy.

[GregWeld]

I'd have it 24kt gold plated and change the threads name....


HAHAHAHAHA



Plenty of time for painting Payton!

[byndbad914]

Looking good - I am assuming there will be a cross bar added across the main hoop to strap the shoulder belts to? :)

[Payton King]

to do on the cage...corss bar, door bars, etc.

Cross bar is out to make tin work a little easier.

Electrostatic painting is a great idea.

Thinking about gold plating the intros that I have for it. Do you think it would be too much?

[coolwelder62]

to do on the cage...corss bar, door bars, etc.

Cross bar is out to make tin work a little easier.

Electrostatic painting is a great idea.

Thinking about gold plating the intros that I have for it. Do you think it would be too much?Payton,Order your extra intro's from Greg.He like's them so much he bought a large amount of company stock.:lol:

[GregWeld]

Thinking about gold plating the intros that I have for it. Do you think it would be too much?





Just an outstanding idea....





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[waynieZ]

Looking good Payton.

[Payton King]

Almost went with a gold anodized rim for an old school look, so you were not that far off on the gold plating.

Now that the body is on the frame time for a little tin work. First order of business was the fire wall.

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[Payton King]

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[Streetking]

Payton, looking really good man!

[waynieZ]

The fire wall looks nice.

[XLexusTech]

love the Bead rolling.. Jakes Did a nice job.. cant wait to see more..
Would you consider an acid Dip? maybe that will get you the cleanup your after.

[Payton King]

The roof skin and rear filler are being replaced. Not a lot of car left so I will just hand sand what is left.

The bead roll is really nice, wait till I post up pics of the floor and rear area.

[XLexusTech]

The roof skin and rear filler are being replaced. Not a lot of car left so I will just hand sand what is left.

The bead roll is really nice, wait till I post up pics of the floor and rear area.
OK that was a tease...did you go with one of the JRS embossed rear panels I am using a seat but if i wasn't i would have had them build me one.. I think they look killer..

:cheers:

[Flash68]

Oh yeah... looking like a pro touring race car. :D

[coolwelder62]

Very Nice Payton.

[bonecrrusher]

Payton - nice updates.

That chassis looks badass!

[BBC71Nova]

Coming along Payton. Looks good. Now quit holding out on us. Post those tin work pics :).

[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Sieg]

Looks great Payton!

How are the panels going to be finished?

Sound deadening measures?

[Ron in SoCal]

Racecar :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Will probably paint the interior of the car, cage and all, white. Will due some heat barrier under the car, may have to do it on top as well.

[Jr]

This car is on a different level when compared to the yellow car. Looks killer!

[Payton King]

This one is way more race car and a lot less street car.

[coolwelder62]

Coming along very nicely Payton.

[GregWeld]

This one is way more race car and a lot less street car.




Somehow Payton I just think "WE" are way ahead of the rest of the pack... They're still stuck in PTLand... and we realized early what we really want is just a dang race car!


LOL

[57hemicuda]

I figured your ride would end up looking something like this.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/Mustang/i-BF5xddz/0/L/66Mustang_4-vi-L.jpg

[Payton King]

But I like it!

Yea GW, I knew I needed something safer and a lot less shinny the first time I got out on the big track. I also got tired of putting up velvet ropes every time I parked it at the store. LOL

[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02727_zps57ce922a.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02727_zps57ce922a.jpg.html)

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[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG954246_zps75e07a88.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG954246_zps75e07a88.jpg.html)

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http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02733_zpsebc8f3af.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02733_zpsebc8f3af.jpg.html)

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[Cris@JCG]

Caliper is upside down! :mock:

Car is looking good Payton.. Looking forward to seeing it complete & you tearing it up on the track.. Nice to have a track car.. I currently have one & having a blast with it.. Has cone rash & could car less!

[Payton King]

been almost 2 years since I had my yellow one out.

Here are some pics of the front A arms that Jake built. They are 1 inch longer than a stock C6

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG955981_zps550d9792.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG955981_zps550d9792.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG958802_zps7eef787a.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG958802_zps7eef787a.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG951245_zps041c8899.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG951245_zps041c8899.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG955814_zps2f4f6bcf.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG955814_zps2f4f6bcf.jpg.html)

[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02723_zps39128182.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02723_zps39128182.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02874_zps41dfbf92.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02874_zps41dfbf92.jpg.html)

[Payton King]

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02717_zpsc3aaf6ae.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02717_zpsc3aaf6ae.jpg.html)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02719_zps5aeeda45.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02719_zps5aeeda45.jpg.html)

Fronts are 18x12 with 680x325 slicks rear 18x13 710x325 You can see the height difference

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02726_zpsc564daea.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02726_zpsc564daea.jpg.html)