Thrift Shop Camaro

[Payton King]

Jake cut the quarters to make it a roller.

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plenty of room inside

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

I am leaving Sunday to go and bring it home. Here it is as a roller. 46.5 inces from drip rail to ground at ride height.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02878_zpsefa0557d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02878_zpsefa0557d.jpg.html)

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[Jay Hilliard]

Looking good. What is the plan for door bars?

[Payton King]

I have an X bar for the passenger side and NASCAR style on the driver's side.

[65_LS1_T56]

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:bow:

Wow. Drool. :cheers:

[NOPANTS68]

wow is right! - Man I would love to ride in this thing. So wicked looking.

[chr2002ca]

Looks grippy. :) You guys are moving right along on this. Great project. Fun to follow along on this thread and I like the theme of it. Your yellow street car is one of my favorites of all time. Look forward to seeing how this track beast turns out. :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

The picture of both fronts mounted up I was pretty happy. They look huge in the photos.

I miss the yellow car and have missed having something to drive.

[GregWeld]

I've seen stock cars with less tire....



HAHAHAHAHAHA



Pure awesomeness right there Payton!! OMG!

[Sieg]

After seeing this shot I can't wait to see what flare design you come up with!
http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02868_zpsa1016ec3.jpg

[Flash68]

Baddest car in the Universe.... hands down. :bigun2:

[coolwelder62]

Payton,This build is too much Race Car and not enough street car.I am DNQ'd you from all Pro-Touring Event's.:bitchslap: :stirthepot: :catfight: :lmao: :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

I am leaving Sunday to go and bring it home. Here it is as a roller. 46.5 inces from drip rail to ground at ride height.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/IMG_02878_zpsefa0557d.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/IMG_02878_zpsefa0557d.jpg.html)

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Fronts need a little more camber :thumbsup: :peepwall: :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Payton,

Outstanding.:thumbsup:

Plus it looks like you still have room for the a/c...which is nice.



:D

[89 RS]

Great work, going to be one wicked Camaro when you are finished!

[Jr]

Fricken awesome! Jake built one hell of a car!

[snappytravis]

Payton, car looks a lot different then the original pictures you sent me,, It's gonna be awesome. Chassis is top of the line!

[XLexusTech]

LOOKS Awesome! Nice job JRS! cant wait to see whats next Payton :king:

[Flash68]

P, can you handle this thing? :D

Payton,This build is too much Race Car and not enough street car.I am DNQ'd from all Pro-Touring Event's.:bitchslap: :stirthepot: :catfight: :lmao: :lol:

Payton sets the rules... he doesn't follow them. :bigun2:

[Payton King]

Stayed with Ron Schwarz Sunday night and his family could not have been nicer. They cooked me dinner and we sat around and told stories out by the pool. Thanks again Ron for helping me out! Got up and left about 10 til 6 monday and met Jake. Ron rode shotgun and laughed at me cussing the traffic. All of you that live in and around NYC...what are you thinking? LOL

Met Jake in Ct picked up the car and headed back to Ron's. Only 14 hours in the car that day. Ron was ready to start building flairs but from the drive and what time it was, that will have to be another time. Left yesterday at 6 and was unloading my car at 3 that afternoon at the house.

If you are looking for pictures my tired, worn out ass did not take any. Will get some in the next day or so.

Cannot say enough on the job Jake did on the car. Looks way better in person and the car is very, very low.

Scott, If I put carpet and roll up windows in it can I still play?

[65_LS1_T56]

Wow, I'll bet the B.S. was flyin' at Ron's:D


We're all waiting for pics Payton!
You gonna be a RTTH this weekend? Thought Ron said he was going.

[Payton King]

Wife is playing tennis at state championship and I have the kids and 3 soccer games. Hopefully will be there next year

[57hemicuda]

It was totally my pleasure, I have to say the pictures don't do the car justice, it looks so mean and nasty you can't help but want one. I sooo wanted to get a pic of it and my Mustang, just didn't have the time. Ron

[waynieZ]

Glad to hear the trip went well. I can't wait to see some pictures.

[Payton King]

This is the Lexan installation with Dzuts fasteners.

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[Payton King]

if you are going this far. Jake "wedged the frame so the cell will be flat with good mounting spot

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CNC plasma cutter to make fuel straps

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

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[Flash68]

:king:

[sik68]

Wow, what a monster! :headspin:

[coolwelder62]

Look's Fast!!!!!!!!!!

[badmatt]

Love this car payton!

[Sieg]

This need to be displayed somewhere on this car!

http://naturalknowledge247.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/testosterone.jpg

[DFRESH]

Playa:thumbsup:

[WSSix]

Very nice!

[Track Junky]

Well that didn't take long!! Fricken Awesome!! :gitrdun:

[bonecrrusher]

Where is the body and chassis getting finished at?

[GregWeld]

Awesome Payton!



Better bring that out to Kalleeforneeeaa and have at it with Charley and I !!!



I'll need 4 car lengths from the looks of it!

[carbuff]

I'll need 4 car laps from the looks of it!

Fixed that for ya...

[GregWeld]

Fixed that for ya...




RIGHT ON!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

[waynieZ]

It looks Awesome Payton!

[fleetus macmullitz]

That Jake...an east coast artist.

[Ron in SoCal]

That Jake...an east coast artist.

I'd have to agree Skipper!

[Rick D]

I'd have to agree Skipper!

Yeah he does do some nice work Ron doesn't he :hello:

[Ron in SoCal]

Yeah he does do some nice work Ron doesn't he :hello:

Hey Rick :hello: :D

[Payton King]

I need some Testosterone according to all of those commercials on TV.

The car is at my house now and that is where it will be finished. Jim Pettigrew is going to help me with the fab on the motor plate and if we need to do anything with the headers.

I just laid a straight edge accross the tires and it looks to have between 3.5 to 5 degrees of camber the way it sits. I will start with about 1.75 to 2.0 once I get it aligned.

The way you see the car now it weighs 1340 lbs. Would guess it will come in at 2700 to 2800 when complete.

[Payton King]

I need to come out that way. A few tracks on my bucket list along with a few events as well.

[Sieg]

Based on the content within this thread I'd ignore those commercials. :thumbsup:

[Beach Cruiser]

Looking good Payton! I know you'll be glad to get that thing home too! For Reference I run -3 Camber and 6.5 Caster up front on mine. My car wieghs in at 3130 with me and 8 gals of fuel in it.

[57hemicuda]

Based on the content within this thread I'd ignore those commercials. :thumbsup:

Yeah, that 4 hour thing could be a problem. Its all fun and games, till somebody puts an eye out.

[Payton King]

when you might need a hood prop.

[Ron in SoCal]

6zXDo4dL7SU

You two should go on tour! :lol:

[89 RS]

One wicked Camaro! :thumbsup:

[DOOM]

Payton it's awesome!

[byndbad914]

now that it is home, what do you think the timeline is on having it running?

[LS7 Z/28]

This thing is just nasty, every thing about it it awesome, I'm ready to see more of it...

[FETorino]

This thing is just nasty, every thing about it it awesome, I'm ready to see more of it...

Yea where are the updates? At this rate DG will be the first fully flared 1st gen on the road.:cheers:

[Payton King]

Since it has been home, my 2 door luxury coupe has been sitting in an automotive cocoon in my garage....slowly getting a surface rust patina on all of that bare metal.

I have sanding disc and self etching primer, but no time to work on it. Both of my boys (13 and 11) play travel soccer. To give you an idea, we have 4 games this weekend with one being out of town. 2 on Sat and 2 on Sun. Last weekend we had 2 in Asheville, NC. about 2 hours away.

Anyway, with all of that being said, this weekend will wrap up the heavy travel and the outdoor season is coming to a close. More progress will be taking place.

I have recently purchaed a set of Jesel shaft rockers, intake manifold, Hendrick vavle covers with spring oilers and baffles, Jesel belt drive. About to order a custom ground 50mm cam and a set of custom pistons from CP. I will soon be sending the manifold off for fuel injector bungs and fuel rails to be made.

The car is going to Jim Pettigrew in December for header work and motor mounts...along with anything else I can come up with.

Hopefully lots of cool stuff with pictures coming soon

[Sieg]

Understood Payton.......my 12 year old starts club volleyball league starts shortly. :confused18:

[GregWeld]

All you two have to look forward to is being OLD and your kids having moved away. Then you'll have plenty of time for cars.

I'd rather be in the "I have no time camp" - and have them still here and all the foibles that went with it.

[syborg tt]

Since it has been home, my 2 door luxury coupe has been sitting in an automotive cocoon in my garage....slowly getting a surface rust patina on all of that bare metal.

Buy it - it actually works great at preventing rust.

http://radrides.com/index.php?option=com_hikashop&ctrl=product&task=show&cid=133&name=protectant&Itemid=579

[Payton King]

check that out Marty. Thanks

I hear you GW, was driving down the road thinking in 4.5 years Hunter will be out of the house and off to college. Man does time fly past

[57hemicuda]

How depressing, what are you going to tell me next, that my eye site will go away, or maybe my knees will start to hurt. Somebody needs to find some "me" time, where a man can be alone with his car. LOL

[Payton King]

I am getting so brittle I can barely get into a car with a cage.

[sixnina]

Payton,
Any updates on this beast?
Shane

[Payton King]

But not too much to report. Living in the land of NASCAR, I have lots of cool places all around me. One of those places is MSI Racing, they do custom wheel studs and lug nuts. They supply pretty much all of the NASCAR guys and have starting suppling most of the guys in GT, Grand Am, etc.

I was nervous about the 12mm stock studs in the front hubs so I went up to see MSI. They are hooking me up the a 14mm stud from the front and a custom 14 mm stud for the floating rear hub...replacing the 5/8 stud that is in there now. The cool thing is they are building it the same size as the 5/8 stud at the bottom so my drive plate will still have some support and then the front and rear will match.

Finally made a decision on a seat and will be mounting it, steering, pedals and making some mounts for the motor plate.

Updates coming soon.

[71RS/SS396]

You're worried about wheel studs!? Get the car finished would yah! My junk will be worn out and on version 2.0 before you're done at this rate. :poke:

[57hemicuda]

I'd really like to pile on with Tim hear, but have no room to talk. Lets see some progress in 2014.

[Payton King]

I think? LOL

I am ready to move forward and have a little time before soccer starts up. I will see what I can do.

[Flash68]

:lol: Payton, want to borrow some of that body armor I borrowed from Rob?

I saw the studs Rob got from MSI and they looked very nice.

[71RS/SS396]

I'd really like to pile on with Tim hear, but have no room to talk. Lets see some progress in 2014.
I can't believe you would let him slide Ron, at least you have a car that still runs :peepwall: :underchair:

[71RS/SS396]

I think? LOL

I am ready to move forward and have a little time before soccer starts up. I will see what I can do.

Give those kids a welder and grinder and turn them loose!

[Flash68]

Dude. Quit holding out. You can't golf and lift weights every day. :action-smiley-027:

[Payton King]

My car has been moved to the Land of Forgotten Projects. It is a lot like the Island for Misfit Toys.

[Damn True]

C'mon PK, get after it.

[65_LS1_T56]

Is it done?

[Ron in SoCal]

My car has been moved to the Land of Forgotten Projects. It is a lot like the Island for Misfit Toys.

big fat liar.

[Damn True]

C'mon PK, get after it.


I'm one to talk about stalled projects....some dudes have built two cars since I started mine.

That said.....c'mon PK

[Payton King]

I have been picking up a few parts here and there. I will try and get some pics this weekend. Car is due to go to Jim Pettigrew's for exhaust, motor plate mount and a few other things so there will be progress in the future.

Parts:

woodward with sparco steering wheel

2 Butlerbuilt full containment seats

71 inch wing

Jack screw style watts adjuster

New rear end housing because the first was built too narrow

14mm studs front and rear

[Beach Cruiser]

You should drop the 71" description and just call it like it is, A Big ass wing!

[GregWeld]

Just hurry TF UP will ya!! LOL


This is going to be so cool that when it's done --- I'm bringing the rig to Texasss and we're running an event together!

[Damn True]

I'm wanting to see what you do with those fenders

[DOOM]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: big fat liar.

[Payton King]

Tell you what GW, I am in Charlotte and you need to come to the East Coast, surely VIR is on your list of tracks. Load up your hauler next year and make the journey.

The flairs will be complements of Ron Schwarz...he has a way with bulges.

[Payton King]

This is where the wing came from...

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/wingpic_zpsc713c268.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/wingpic_zpsc713c268.jpg.html)

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[GregWeld]

I need a bigger wing on the Lotus!!


LOL






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[Payton King]

Here are my seats

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[Payton King]

Well that is just stupid. I spent 10 minutes rotating and saving the seat images and they are still wrong.

[Ron in SoCal]

Yum...Butler seats! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

I think you and Greg are both compensating for something.:peepwall: Its been so long, and so many pages since we've even seen this thing thought I'd post a pic of what we are talking about.


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/Camaro/i-6TL6tG6/0/L/paytons-L.jpg

[GregWeld]

Love the seats Payton --- your photos -- not so much.... LOL




Okay then VIR it is!!!



Let me (with Ron Sutton's help) sort the old girl out some more (just scheduled Sonoma for August 1 to 3rd) and then it will be dialed in. So a trip out NEXT summer for sure! There are a couple tracks I'd like to run out that way so will try to make a "tour" out of it.

[Flash68]

Wing envy. Guilty.

How's ole Ed doing on the that screamer of a motor?

[57hemicuda]

I'm in on that one Greg!! of course I need a Ron Sutton first. lol
Did you get your comp license? or are you just doing open track days?

[GregWeld]

I'm in on that one Greg!! of course I need a Ron Sutton first. lol
Did you get your comp license? or are you just doing open track days?



Ron -- We've met.... do you think ANY sanctioning body would issue a comp license to me...


Actually -- I've taken the SCCA license and hot starts tests and qualified for all that crap ---- but I have no desire (or balls) to actually "race". So just track days for me. I'm old -- and fat -- and kinda used up...

[57hemicuda]

Ron -- We've met.... do you think ANY sanctioning body would issue a comp license to me...


Actually -- I've taken the SCCA license and hot starts tests and qualified for all that crap ---- but I have no desire (or balls) to actually "race". So just track days for me. I'm old -- and fat -- and kinda used up...

I'm right there with ya buddy.LOL
I do fear a day when it will be required though.

[Damn True]

I'm right there with ya buddy.LOL
I do fear a day when it will be required though.

I've always been of a mind that the Camaro will be for track days & auto-x. If I ever get the bug to go w2w racing I'll buy someone else's Spec-E30 or something.

[Flash68]

I've always been of a mind that the Camaro will be for track days & auto-x. If I ever get the bug to go w2w racing I'll buy someone else's Spec-E30 or something.

Or an AI Mustang.... because Mustangs deserve to trade paint with other Mustangs. :)

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[GregWeld]

If I'm going w2w --- I could just sign up for the Lotus Cup series.... but that's never going to happen. I'm just not that competitive. I like to follow rather than lead.

Little Tommy McCarthy and his Dad (Terry) were thinking about buying little Tommy a 2 Eleven.... and I thought about that for weeks... about just handing them my car and being a/the sponsor... but that seemed a lot like "work" and I'm really anti the whole work thing. LOL


Let's just keep it fun and go track days --- and enjoy ourselves.

[FETorino]

Or an AI Mustang.... because Mustangs deserve to trade paint with other Mustangs. :)

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/wingpic2_zpsb6fe17fb.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/wingpic2_zpsb6fe17fb.jpg.html)

Makes sense to me.

[Ron in SoCal]

Makes sense to me.

You're funny like that.

[Beach Cruiser]

Those Mustang AI pics look like they are at VIR. Not sure if I want to go W2W racing yet either, I just got my TT license, I'll play in that sandbox for a little while. Looks like my Camaro will be in TT2 for NASA, Hurry up and get that thing done!

[Payton King]

Sorry about the blurry cell phone pics. My hands were more steady when I was a young man.

I need cam, pistons and rings on the motor, I have everything else. Pistons will need to be custom and Ed is in Atlanta at a Trans Am race. We are getting together next week to get the pistons ordered.

[Stovebolter]

I really enjoy this build. :popcorn2:

[Flash68]

I really enjoy this build. :popcorn2:

Ditto. :popcorn2:

[57hemicuda]

I'm going to have to watch this thread with corrective lenses.

[WSSix]

Why? Can't see $hit?

[57hemicuda]

Well, I can't see $hit, but the corrective lenses are a metaphor. Keep watching.

[WSSix]

lol, ok. I'll keep my eyes open and be patient. Thanks, Ron.

[GregWeld]

I've been watching this thread.... with my glasses on... but I fell asleep waiting for an update - so the corrective lenses didn't help me since my eyes were closed.


:warning: :bang: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Track Junky]

I heard 70 Camaro front end will work with the 110" wheel base :lol:

[Payton King]

Trying to let this thread (and my project) die and it keeps popping up.

I see my Bitches are on here stirring the pot. LOL

Lots and lots of corrections coming to a completely jacked up job by Jake. It will be months just fixing the car to the point I can actually make some progress, which will all be posted here in painful detail.

[Track Junky]

Trying to let this thread (and my project) die and it keeps popping up.

I see my Bitches are on here stirring the pot. LOL

Lots and lots of corrections coming to a completely jacked up job by Jake. It will be months just fixing the car to the point I can actually make some progress, which will all be posted here in painful detail.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[syborg tt]

odd I was just going to send you an email.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Lots and lots of corrections coming to a completely jacked up job by Jake. It will be months just fixing the car to the point I can actually make some progress, which will all be posted here in painful detail.

I'm sorry to hear that happened to you Payton. :(

[GregWeld]

You get Jake to fix his mistake?

[WSSix]

Ouch! Sorry Payton. I hope it gets fixed more easily than you're expecting.

[Jr]

Payton,

That sucks. I'll be watching the thread... I'm curious how you found the errors.

[Payton King]

With a tape measure.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Is it interfering with sheet metal? Might be ok, it will give you more room for increased caster.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Payton,

That sucks. I'll be watching the thread... I'm curious how you found the errors.

With a tape measure.

A big one?

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[Jr]

Oh... This sucks.

[Payton King]

It has 7 degrees of caster now, it would have to have 60 degrees to get the wheel base to 108 inches.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/Mobile%20Uploads/7D300285-6395-4A0E-A82F-4477E93DACFC_zpsxkpabqui.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/paytonking/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7D300285-6395-4A0E-A82F-4477E93DACFC_zpsxkpabqui.jpg.html)

[Matt@BOS]

Holy hell! So the front suspension is an inch or so forward? I remember Ron/Dave/Rob being concerned about the ride height being 4x4ish, but it sounds like you've go a bunch of other issues that are worse.

[Payton King]

My car has 110 inch wheel base, the extra 2 inches are from the firewall forward. Rear is in correct spot. The front will have to be cut off and moved back 2 inches. Probably up 2 inches as well to correct some geometry problems.

[Flash68]

Holy hell! So the front suspension is an inch or so forward? I remember Ron/Dave/Rob being concerned about the ride height being 4x4ish, but it sounds like you've go a bunch of other issues that are worse.

Sadly it's a long list. :mad:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

My car has 110 inch wheel base, the extra 2 inches are from the firewall forward. Rear is in correct spot. The front will have to be cut off and moved back 2 inches. Probably up 2 inches as well to correct some geometry problems.

ok, well that changes things. I surprised he didn't build it with a mock up body so he could center everything.

[57hemicuda]

Well if it was 108", he wouldn't have needed a mock up body. LOL

[Matt@BOS]

I don't get how this happens. I've seen sub frames from one manufacturer go through the shop where the lower control arms were all off a half inch, or so, but building a 110" wheel base? :headscratch:

[Jr]

Sucks that jake made a huge mistake. Holohan can fix that.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Matt is about right on the video. I have 2 boys 10 and 13 and I have listened to that song about 1 million times to and from soccer practice. It does fit though. First time I went to that guy's storage building I had a specific amount of cash in my pocket to get a gas pedal. Once I was there I knew I was going to be short on cash. Next time, I had more than $20 dollars and I was poppin' tags.

Lots of used NASCAR and circle track re-sellers in the area. He is just one of many. Next time I go up to Roush /Yates I will get some photos. Imagine a Home Depot, but with race parts filling the shelves. Motors on pallets stack in the shelves, entire car on one isle. It is crazy.

As soon as I figure out how to do the questions in quotes it will be easier to answer specific questions. Before I started the build, I was going to get a Howe road race front clip and run the 5x5 hubs and all the circle stuff.

Tough to be creative with a name for a project when I am not creative enough to do something other than a Camaro. It is a little goofy to name you car or project anyway, but how else do you keep your seperate from the others? "I am the guy doing the 1st gen Camaro on the site." Yea, that narrows me down to about 1000 projects. LOL

Somebody asked about NASCAR brakes. Kind of...using an AP calliper used in circle track with a lug mount on a floater with a Grand National hub in the rear. I will post up some pics later on that one.

The yellow car was on the Cover of Camaro Performers and had an 8 page spread. April of 2009 (Thank you Mr. Rupp!)

As far as paint, you may be looking at it. Going to replace the roof so it will be in primer, may leave the rest of the car as is until I get it sorted. It will be a wide body, but may cut out the fenders and quarter dirt track style for a season.

This is my inspiration photo/drawing

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

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I retract that previous comment..... a set of fenders whould have helped spot the problem sooner.

Well, if its at Holohan's...he can stretch the front end and add some ducting.

[Payton King]

It is actually at Jim Pettigrew's. Been a frabricator in NASCAR for 30+ years and is currently working at Hendrick.

The only thing that I can figure is Jake was building a car for Mulvey, he built Mulvey's car 110 inches because he was going to run Maxton Mile and someother high speed events. He must have forgotten and did not change the jig. That is not an excuse for him, he is still a dumb ass. How do you build a full frame car and not check wheel base? I am guessing he knew what he did and decided to send the car on to me instead of correcting.

[Payton King]

Here it is at Pettigrews

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If any of you remember, I ran a 21st Century front clip on my yellow car and Rupp had one in Bad Penny. That is the jig for it on the left

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[Payton King]

Here are a few shots of it while I was waiting for the roll back

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[Payton King]

Few more

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and attempt at an artistic shot

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[Track Junky]

Cars going to be mean looking Payton. Love that thing already. If only I was to do it all over again........

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It is actually at Jim Pettigrew's. Been a frabricator in NASCAR for 30+ years and is currently working at Hendrick.

The only thing that I can figure is Jake was building a car for Mulvey, he built Mulvey's car 110 inches because he was going to run Maxton Mile and someother high speed events. He must have forgotten and did not change the jig. That is not an excuse for him, he is still a dumb ass. How do you build a full frame car and not check wheel base? I am guessing he knew what he did and decided to send the car on to me instead of correcting.
Very nice, those guys are metal masters.

Well he did screw it up but I think you should roll with it. A longer wheel base isnt gonna kill you. Turn it into an advantage. just my 2 sense. :lol: yep, that was a pun.
Switch that labor to fix the frame and put it into custom front sheet metal work.

[Flash68]

Interesting A pillar cage bar location so far inward. :headscratch:

[Flash68]

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Well he did screw it up but I think you should roll with it. A longer wheel base isnt gonna kill you.

How are you supposed to fix this? Not much meat left after you move the flare forward enough to compensate for the problem. Payton said it would look funny (or maybe it was an expletive) and I agree.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Add to the rear of the fender to move the wheel opening forward or better yet, increase its size by 1/2-3/4".

Remove the tulips extend the cowl and mount the masters under the dash.

With the extra room you can now move the engine back farther and you could 1 piece the hood and 1/2 cowl vent cover.

Now you have room for under hood heat extraction, oil tanks, multiple coolers and electronics.

[Payton King]

Yea, I have thought about all of that stuff...going to move the clip back and keep the wheel base where it should be. Fender are going to be custom regardless of the wheel base.

Going cut out cage from main hoop forward and put it where it should be, not in my line of sight. Down bars are out too far and come in contact with front tires and the kicker bar keeps me from mounting my pedal box. Funny as I sent my pedal box to him before he started the frame, much less the cage, for him to mount.

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[Vince@Meanstreets]

that sucks but you'll get it right. That's the problem being so far away from your project.

[Payton King]

I wish that was all of the problems, still more to come I have not posted about.

You are right, project was too far away. Now it is about 15 minutes from my house.

[ccracin]

I wish that was all of the problems, still more to come I have not posted about.

You are right, project was too far away. Now it is about 15 minutes from my house.

I am truly sorry to hear this Payton. I hope Jake steps up and helps cover the repair cost. That was Amateur hour!

[Greg from Aus]

That just plain sucks, I hope it all works out Payton.

[Vegas69]

Real bummer Payton, wish I could say I'm surprised.

[bdahlg68]

Sorry to hear that Payton. Car photographs well nonetheless! I had a JRS front clip and had only some minor issues with the product. But - it took for friggin ever to get. And then came in a number of shipments. I had strongly considered using his torque arm but the experience turned me off big time. I ended up selling the clip and changing direction completely. While you've got some significant issues to resolve, in the right hands this thing is still going to be BA! Looking forward to the corrections and progress!

[57hemicuda]

It may be crooked, too long, etc. etc., but every time I see the pics of that car, I say to myself, wow that is cool as hell. I know we all have different taste in cars, but a full frame, down in the weeds is hard to beat.

This is your chance to make it better then it was before, faster, stronger. If I could make the six million dollar man eye noises come out of the computer it would be awesome. All kidding aside, when its done, as low and wide as thing is, this thing will be up there as one of the best Camaro builds of all time. Stay the course and gitter done.

[Sieg]

It may be crooked, too long, etc. etc., but every time I see the pics of that car, I say to myself, wow that is cool as hell. I know we all have different taste in cars, but a full frame, down in the weeds is hard to beat.

This is your chance to make it better then it was before, faster, stronger. If I could make the six million dollar man eye noises come out of the computer it would be awesome. All kidding aside, when its done, as low and wide as thing is, this thing will be up there as one of the best Camaro builds of all time. Stay the course and gitter done.

Agreed!

Don't let one crook taint your vision Payton. :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It may be crooked, too long, etc. etc., but every time I see the pics of that car, I say to myself, wow that is cool as hell. I know we all have different taste in cars, but a full frame, down in the weeds is hard to beat.

This is your chance to make it better then it was before, faster, stronger. If I could make the six million dollar man eye noises come out of the computer it would be awesome. All kidding aside, when its done, as low and wide as thing is, this thing will be up there as one of the best Camaro builds of all time. Stay the course and gitter done.

Im with creative Ron, don't fucuss on the negative. Take the bad, embrace it, hold it and turn it around on its heals. Many of my own great accomplishments were born from mistakes.
I would love to see a 110" wheel base track car.

[Flash68]

It may be crooked, too long, etc. etc., but every time I see the pics of that car, I say to myself, wow that is cool as hell. I know we all have different taste in cars, but a full frame, down in the weeds is hard to beat.

This is your chance to make it better then it was before, faster, stronger. If I could make the six million dollar man eye noises come out of the computer it would be awesome. All kidding aside, when its done, as low and wide as thing is, this thing will be up there as one of the best Camaro builds of all time. Stay the course and gitter done.

Well aren't you a bundle of positivity today. :D

Stay classy, Baltimore. :cheers:

[Payton King]

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys.

Here is some of what has happened up to this point. Once I got the car back to my house in September, I noticed a few things right off and broke out the tape measure.

First issue was he built/ordered my rear 2 inches too narrow. He did correct that problem but it took me 6 months to get it...and then he did not weld the lower TA mount on so I had to have that done.

At the same time I noticed that he built the "bird cage" for the watts to close to the stanchion tubes on the rear end housing. I have 1.25 inches of compression travel before it hits. The shock mounts are on the inside of the frame rail an is part of the "bird cage." The mount is too close to the frame so I cannot attach a shock without it hitting.

While we are still at the rear, the mount for the fuel cell was built to the wrong measurements. No off the shelf fuel cell will fit, so that has to be remade.

Front LCA that he fabbed are too wide. Can only get 18 degrees of turn at ride height and about 8 degrees at compression. I let him know about the problem and told him he needed to move each side in a minimum of an inch. Had a conversation and sent pictures. Where the wheels contact the control arm is 9 inches wide; on the same spot as a stock C5/6 arm it is 7 inches. He made me a new set of arms and sent them when he sent the rear end. The new arms are still not correct. He moved the leading tube in but left the back profile of the arm the same, essentially no correction since it was hitting in the rear.

Everyone knows that the car's wheel base is 2 inches too long. I texted Jake and asked "so how are we going to resolve this?" He said to move the entire clip back 2 inches. I asked who is paying? He said "I will to a point of what makes more sense of me doing it or someone there."

We will see if he steps up and pays for it to be corrected. I know for sure there is no way my car is going back to his shop with as many issues as it has now and the time frame he is on to complete anyone's work.

In the next couple of weeks we are going to level up the car and start pulling measurements and checking geometry, so I will keep you posted.

Almost forgot, to add insult to injury, he cut out my gas fill location off of the tail pan and used it to make a part for another customer without asking me.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys.

Here is some of what has happened up to this point. Once I got the car back to my house in September, I noticed a few things right off and broke out the tape measure.

First issue was he built/ordered my rear 2 inches too narrow. He did correct that problem but it took me 6 months to get it...and then he did not weld the lower TA mount on so I had to have that done.

At the same time I noticed that he built the "bird cage" for the watts to close to the stanchion tubes on the rear end housing. I have 1.25 inches of compression travel before it hits. The shock mounts are on the inside of the frame rail an is part of the "bird cage." The mount is too close to the frame so I cannot attach a shock without it hitting.

While we are still at the rear, the mount for the fuel cell was built to the wrong measurements. No off the shelf fuel cell will fit, so that has to be remade.

Front LCA that he fabbed are too wide. Can only get 18 degrees of turn at ride height and about 8 degrees at compression. I let him know about the problem and told him he needed to move each side in a minimum of an inch. Had a conversation and sent pictures. Where the wheels contact the control arm is 9 inches wide; on the same spot as a stock C5/6 arm it is 7 inches. He made me a new set of arms and sent them when he sent the rear end. The new arms are still not correct. He moved the leading tube in but left the back profile of the arm the same, essentially no correction since it was hitting in the rear.

Everyone knows that the car's wheel base is 2 inches too long. I texted Jake and asked "so how are we going to resolve this?" He said to move the entire clip back 2 inches. I asked who is paying? He said "I will to a point of what makes more sense of me doing it or someone there."

We will see if he steps up and pays for it to be corrected. I know for sure there is no way my car is going back to his shop with as many issues as it has now and the time frame he is on to complete anyone's work.

In the next couple of weeks we are going to level up the car and start pulling measurements and checking geometry, so I will keep you posted.

Almost forgot, to add insult to injury, he cut out my gas fill location off of the tail pan and used it to make a part for another customer without asking me.

WTF!?!





only one thing to do now....Shelby gas filler flip cap.

[fleetus macmullitz]

WTF!?!

only one thing to do now....Shelby gas filler flip cap.

#Winning

[Flash68]

WTF!?!





only one thing to do now....Shelby gas filler flip cap.

:getout:

[GrnDragon]

Payton this sounds all too familiar...I am sorry to hear all the crap you have to wade through I've been there with Jake. After 2 years I finally ended up with almost everything he owed me, I gave up on the axles. It is just mind boggling, to treat customers this way and expect to stay in business. I still really like the parts I got from him, but the stress and everything that comes along with it is not worth it. I hope you get it all resolved and it all works out for you.

[rickpaw]

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys.



Almost forgot, to add insult to injury, he cut out my gas fill location off of the tail pan and used it to make a part for another customer without asking me.

WTF??? I hate it when people pull crap like that.

Hope everything works out for you. Love your previous 69 Camaro. No doubt this one will be killer when you're done.

[byndbad914]

had a long post and some of my typical brain dumping :D Figured it not appropriate or necessary, so...

The summary: the dude that built that chassis is a total dipsh!t (which appears I simply concur with everyone else here so no news there). A kid that saw a handy man build a deck on a cabin "this one time at band camp" could do a better job. At least he would have seen a guy use a plumb bob, level, and tape measure to square up the framing.

I hope you can keep it rolling and get back in there, and I am with everyone else, keep the faith! I can imagine how hard it is to stay motivated, but I too think it will be pretty bitchin' once it is done and fixed by a guy that knows his stuff.

[Flash68]

Is it done yet?

Is it at least longer than a Torino now?

[Sieg]

Is it done yet?

Is it at least longer than a Torino now?

:smiley_smack:


No charge Payton :captain1:

[GregWeld]

In hot rodding circles it's quite kool to CHOP or CHANNEL a car..... So I think Payton is on to a whole new era of what will no doubt become the next big thing to hit the Pro-Touring world -- "The Frame Section"... AKA: Alternate Wheel Base Car. Back in my day - the hottest thing at the drag races were the AA/FX cars...

I think the man is on to something here. With a mild reposition of the body mounts one can choose to offset to the front of the wheel wells.... per this example:






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/wildchild_1.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Fun%20Fotos/wildchild_1.jpg.html)




Or one can choose to offset the rear and gain some traction if needed. Personally I think the choice boils down to whether a guy chooses to have his car Push - - or Oversteer.






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[GregWeld]

I've always found it far easier to adjust the body/chassis location vs. trying to make the chassis fit the wheel wells. The factory really choose such an arbitrary location for those anyway.

[57hemicuda]

I love those altered wheelbase cars, can you imagine trying to road course that Dodge.LOL

I think Payton's has a pretty good game plan, the problem is the deeper he digs the more he finds. Hey, you can't take it with you. You might as well go for broke and annihilate the boys inheritance.

[Payton King]

Glad you found your salt shaker for my wounds GW. LOL

We have a game plan and progress pics should be coming soon. Going to the lake on the 4th was way more important.

[waynieZ]

Payton Sorry to hear all these problems. These long distance builds are tough, you can't stay on top of everything you would notice if you were seeing it go together. I know it takes the wind out of your sails but you have a good hold on what you want to do so you'll get it done . I hope it gets easier from here on out.

[GregWeld]

Glad you found your salt shaker for my wounds GW. LOL

We have a game plan and progress pics should be coming soon. Going to the lake on the 4th was way more important.

Always happy to help....



:>)

[71RS/SS396]

Glad you found your salt shaker for my wounds GW. LOL

We have a game plan and progress pics should be coming soon. Going to the lake on the 4th was way more important.

It's service GW is more than happy to provide!

[Payton King]

Minor update...wheel base is actually 111 inches. I am looking for a long wheel base C10 to put the frame under.

Should be cutting the front clip off and moving back 3 inches and up 2 inches. The cutting starts Saturday.

[Ron in SoCal]

You're a :superhack: Oh, and

:ttiwop:

:D :cheers:

[syborg tt]

Minor update...wheel base is actually 111 inches. I am looking for a long wheel base C10 to put the frame under.

Should be cutting the front clip off and moving back 3 inches and up 2 inches. The cutting starts Saturday.

Happen have a nice flat black c10 about 5 minutes from my house.

[carbuff]

Should be cutting the front clip off and moving back 3 inches and up 2 inches. The cutting starts Saturday.

Peyton,

Can you explain the need to go 'up 2 inches'? Looking at the pictures, the car looks like it's sitting pretty level. Do you mean you need the car itself to go up 2" so that when the front weight is on it will be at the right level? If you're raising the front of the frame 2", the car is going to be LOOOOOW!

Just trying to follow here. Sorry you're having to do this. :(

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I hope he's moving the frame into the body 2" and modifies his fenders to look similar to this but in Camaro form.


http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n539/paytonking/DTM.jpg

[Greg from Aus]

Can't wait for the pictures.:thumbsup:

[Stuart Adams]

Very cool Payton.

[tombar67]

Super tite rendering!

[Payton King]

Moving it back 3 inches to get the wheel base to 108, where it is supposed to be.

Moving the front clip up 2 inches so I can get my LCA's to a more level postion. I am wanting to travel my tire around 3 inches and Jake has it set up where I am already compressed 2 inches at ride height. If I try and travel it 3 inches where it sits now I have bump, camber issues, Etc. and it will be out of the designed range. He assumed that I was going to travel the front 1.25 inches. I told him before he started that I wanted the control arms level at my 4 inch ride height...

Ride height will still be 4 inches at the rockers, relocting the shocks with some trick adjusters from Ron Sutton.

[GregWeld]

Just scrap it and have Ron Sutton build you a real race car.







Moving it back 3 inches to get the wheel base to 108, where it is supposed to be.

Moving the front clip up 2 inches so I can get my LCA's to a more level postion. I am wanting to travel my tire around 3 inches and Jake has it set up where I am already compressed 2 inches at ride height. If I try and travel it 3 inches where it sits now I have bump, camber issues, Etc. and it will be out of the designed range. He assumed that I was going to travel the front 1.25 inches. I told him before he started that I wanted the control arms level at my 4 inch ride height...

Ride height will still be 4 inches at the rockers, relocting the shocks with some trick adjusters from Ron Sutton.

[Payton King]

I should have gone with my original plan of getting a Howe TA2 car.

[byndbad914]

Moving it back 3 inches to get the wheel base to 108, where it is supposed to be.

Moving the front clip up 2 inches so I can get my LCA's to a more level postion. I am wanting to travel my tire around 3 inches and Jake has it set up where I am already compressed 2 inches at ride height. If I try and travel it 3 inches where it sits now I have bump, camber issues, Etc. and it will be out of the designed range. He assumed that I was going to travel the front 1.25 inches. I told him before he started that I wanted the control arms level at my 4 inch ride height...

Ride height will still be 4 inches at the rockers, relocting the shocks with some trick adjusters from Ron Sutton.I like the way you are thinking! I too set my LCAs parallel to ground because of the added benefit of being so easy to verify suspension settings at the track after messing with cross weight even on uneven ground as you just quick verify you are 90 degrees to the frame. There are some that like them to angle "down" just a little bit from the inner point to the spindle point for camber gain but I have always found I can get a really good camber curve with level LCAs by just being careful about the UCA's inner mount points to get a correct length and pitch while making sure the static roll center stays in a range I desire. I am sure you will find a combo that does exactly what you want it to, just be prepared to reconsider the UCA mounting as well.

I don't always drink race gas, but when I do, it is dos equis.

[Flash68]

I should have gone with my original plan of getting a Howe TA2 car.

Yawn. Fast... but yawn. :D

Forward buddy... forward! :thumbsup:

[slenning]

I should have gone with my original plan of getting a Howe TA2 car.

This will be way cooler when done!! Sorry to hear about all the issues you're having.

[Payton King]

Hey Steve,

Figured you would be at Motor State. What is up with that?

[Sieg]

Moon Walker is making major progress! :thumbups:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/rilla.gif

[Payton King]

Ok that did make me laugh out loud.

[grendel]

Holy ****.

I am talking to Jake about doing my 73 Camaro.

[GregWeld]

Holy ****.

I am talking to Jake about doing my 73 Camaro.



DON'T YOU DO IT!!

[GregWeld]

Holy ****.

I am talking to Jake about doing my 73 Camaro.




Oh yeah -- and just asking about your name --- have you ever shot one??

[grendel]

Oh yeah -- and just asking about your name --- have you ever shot one??

Yes.

Although the name pre-dates the caliber.

[Flash68]

Quit holding out. Need some action round here.

[GregWeld]

Quit holding out. Need some action round here.



He's too busy trying to read the 750 texts plugging up his phone to be bothered posting progress pics.....

[Vegas69]

Train still chugging? Haha

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Train still chugging? Haha
I got derailed... How's the beast Camaro going?

[Payton King]

I have been pretty slack lately...I spend most of my free time trying to clear out all of the texts coming into my phone.

I will try and do a big update this week. Front clip has been cut off and moved back. Cut out the firewall and tunnel to move the engine back. Going to run the oil pump on the right side, so we are in the process of making a new motor plate.

Things should start moving quickly.

[GregWeld]

Train still chugging? Haha



Oh yeah......


So I have a plan. I now have three of these.... and when I get SEVEN... I'm going to hunt them down and use their phones for practice. SEMA might be a good place to start... :headspin: :guns: :warning: :rofl:




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[Vince@Meanstreets]

damn you free merica damn you.

[Vegas69]

You guys might actually have to talk to each other. What a let down that will be. :lol:

[Flash68]

Ok now that the Ultimate Winged Late Model Association event is over... let's see some updates on this bad boy! :bigun2:

[Payton King]

I am supposed to visit my car this week. I will take some progress pics and get them posted up. Fire wall is complete!

[Stovebolter]

👀 :secret:

[Ricochet]

I am supposed to visit my car this week. I will take some progress pics and get them posted up. Fire wall is complete!

Waiting with anticipation!!

[bonecrrusher]

Pics or it didn't happen?

[frojoe]

Pics or it didn't happen?

BOOM. Fightin' words

[waynieZ]

I'll be watching!

[Payton King]

and have been called out more than a few times. In this soap opera that I call a car build, it was discovered that the wheel base was 3 inches too long. Time to roll the car out of the garage and get it to someone that actually has a brain and a boat load of talent. Jim Pettigrew to the rescue!

Car waiting on the roll back

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[Payton King]

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[Payton King]

First We had to get the car up in the air and level and Jim made a jig for the front. I am glazing over this, but great care was taking to insure the car was perfectly level, secure where it would not move and referenced on the floor in case it did move that we woulld see it and could move it back to the correct position.

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[Payton King]

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[GregWeld]

Don't people just L O V E paying a "pro" shop (like Jakes) to mess up their cars... and then pay a new pro shop to rebuild it correctly!?!?!?!


You wonder why people go "postal"....


Any idea how Jakes managed to build your chassis 3" too long??? WTF! BTW this is not the first "issue" I've heard of with this particular shop.

[syborg tt]

Man I wish mine would get 3" longer when it gets excited.

On a side note this really sucks and I feel for you.

[Payton King]

I contacted Jake on the matter. He stated that he would pay $2000 to have the front corrected. It has been 3 months since that conversation and I have yet to see a check. I guess we will see if he is a man of his word.

[GregWeld]

I contacted Jake on the matter. He stated that he would pay $2000 to have the front corrected. It has been 3 months since that conversation and I have yet to see a check. I guess we will see if he is a man of his word.




Holding your breath?? Might get you Blu Balz..... LOL

[Beach Cruiser]

Plumb bobs and tape on the floor for the win! Looks just like how I built mine! I had it out of the garage the other day and the tape is still there! Thanks for posting some progress

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Plumb bobs and tape on the floor for the win! Looks just like how I built mine! I had it out of the garage the other day and the tape is still there! Thanks for posting some progress

ole school never hurt anyone. Its funny, saw-z-alls usually make things better, till they grab hold and the handle turns into a face smashing device.

looking good payton.

[Payton King]

Before

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After

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[Sieg]

Didn't like the Funny Car stance huh? :sieg:

[Ummgawa]

Payton

If it's any consolation, I could have screwed your car up a whole lot more for less than half of what you paid...

Sorry man, really sux.

[Stovebolter]

Sorry for your troubles Payton. At least it's going the right direction now.

David

[WSSix]

Glad to see correct progress being made on the car, Payton. Who is Jim Pettigrew anyway or what is his background I should ask?

[Penny]

Wow the difference in the spindle angle is a dead giveaway. Hope the check comes!

[waynieZ]

Payton I'm glad to see it getting fixed. You couldn't miss it but the two pictures together really show it .

[GregWeld]

I love watching a good old fashioned A/FX build.....


Have Jake include plenty of decals you can run on the car when he sends you that check.

[OLDFLM]

Holding your breath?? Might get you Blu Balz..... LOL

Now that's funny right there ^^^ glad someone brought some levity to this situation! :grouphug: (Group Hug!)

Sorry you're going through this Payton... but glad you're committed to finishing the project! It'll be worth it in the end! When you're driving the car and just can't stop smiling!

Welcome the the "Committed Club"! :welcome3: :gitrdun:

[rixtrix1]

Glad to see correct progress being made on the car, Payton. Who is Jim Pettigrew anyway or what is his background I should ask?
A few pages back says he is a NASCAR fabricator currently at Hendrick .

[rixtrix1]

Glad to see correct progress being made on the car, Payton. Who is Jim Pettigrew anyway or what is his background I should ask?

A few pages back says he is a NASCAR fabricator currently at Hendrick .

[WSSix]

Thanks, Ric!

[Rybar]

That sucks Payton but glad it's on the right track now.

[Flash68]

So you're saying you won't be running the JRS decal package then? :sieg:

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[GregWeld]

I have a pyro license -- and would gladly take care of this "issue". Just say the word....

[FETorino]

I have a pyro license -- and would gladly take care of this "issue". Just say the word....

We tried that once already. :D



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:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

We tried that once already. :D



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:popcorn2:

That sign in the background says "ICE BEER CONDOMS" doesn't it?

[Ron in SoCal]

My homies take such good care of my car :grouphug:

[Payton King]

That stuff makes me laugh!

Pettigrew has been in NASCAR forever. His last stint was in Hendrick's hot rod shop. He is now at home working out of his shop on my car and a gasser Chevy II. Cars were almost twins until I fixed my wheel base.

[Ron Sutton]

That stuff makes me laugh!

Pettigrew has been in NASCAR forever. His last stint was in Hendrick's hot rod shop. He is now at home working out of his shop on my car and a gasser Chevy II. Cars were almost twins until I fixed my wheel base.

LOL !

[Payton King]

Continuing on the thrift shop theme, picked up a GF4A from a local race team.

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[Payton King]

Here is a little piece of information that I did not realize. The bearing retainer on these boxes are indexed for either a Ford or Chevy. The Chevy one is smaller. Guess which one was on my trans?

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So we had to remove it and Jim turned it down to fit my Chevy/RCR bellhouse

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[Vince@Meanstreets]

mopar?


LOL


love that between your legs shifter too.

[Flash68]

What are the trans ratios again?

mopar?


LOL




TRD, Silly. :computer:

[Payton King]

Ratios:

2.71
1.78
1.29
1.00

Actually there is good room for the shifter. We moved the motor to the right side about 1/2 inch for steering shaft clearance and it helped with the shifter as well. I did look into a rail shifted box and they are cubic bucks.

[Ummgawa]

It's going to be one wicked ride. You going to take it Vegas next year?

[Payton King]

Thanks Jim! I cannot imagine they want anything like my car at Vegas. This is going to be way more race car than street car.

[DFRESH]

Dude, it's good to see you making progress. All you need is someone to be thrown into the pool and you'd have a good soap opera going after everything you've faced.

D

[snappytravis]

Looking good man! a little progress, some parts, keep it rolling!

[Payton King]

D! The man, the myth, the legend. Glad you stopped by.

[GregWeld]

It's going to be one wicked ride. You going to take it Vegas next year?




Shut up and write another book!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Shut up and write another book!

with more pictures jimmy! lol

[XLexusTech]

with more pictures jimmy! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBRmlVEvQO4

[Payton King]

With a transmission, frame back in the correct spot, it is time to fit the motor to the car. Here is the mock up motor. SB2 block that had been vented by one of the Hendrick drivers along with a set of heads that had dropped a valve.

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We were trying the get the motor back and low as possible and the firewall was not cooperating. Break out the plasma cutter.

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[Payton King]

This is our first cut

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The firewall still did not want to play nice, so we had to be more forceful.

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