'65 Fastback project [Archive] - Page 2

chetly

11-26-2012, 04:59 PM

Not exactly accurate. I talked to him for quite awhile (sober, mind you :lol:) at Goodguys 2 weeks ago about his whole system. It ain't as bad as you make it out to be. But it ain't no stock LS1 either.

Priming the pump is recommended by most (except Rob's dry sump guru) after prolonged sitting. But there are "adapters" out there to make that pretty easy.

Yeah Mike was hilarious describing his setup when I talked to him. I asked him how many stages his pump was.. he said "I have no idea". LOL. He said the whole system (motor, trans, dry sump system) has been in the car since last year and has run without a hitch since then. Some road course action, many autocrosses, and commuted to work (about 50 miles or so roundtrip) at least 10 times he said. Hey, who said that stuff can't be reliable? :unibrow:

Well, Matt?

As someone who has driven Mikes Mustang both on the street and at the auto-x i would not want to have that motor in anything other than a pure auto-x/track car. The clutch is an on/off switch and yes you do have to heat the oil and water for 45-60 minutes,prime the oil pump with a air ratchet until you get oil pressure then reconnect the belt, etc, etc, etc.

My vote would be for either the crate motor with blower or a high revving 331 sbf.

Flash68

11-26-2012, 05:06 PM

As someone who has driven Mikes Mustang both on the street and at the auto-x i would not want to have that motor in anything other than a pure auto-x/track car. The clutch is an on/off switch and yes you do have to heat the oil and water for 45-60 minutes,prime the oil pump with a air ratchet until you get oil pressure then reconnect the belt, etc, etc, etc.

My vote would be for either the crate motor with blower or a high revving 331 sbf.

My last comment on this side bar as Matt will not be doing a dry sump I bet, but Mike said it best when he said it takes a special kind of stupid crazy to love that kind of motor and drive it on the street. He and I have that in common. :thumbsup:

fleetus macmullitz

11-26-2012, 05:10 PM

Vegas69

11-26-2012, 05:50 PM

My last comment on this side bar as Matt will not be doing a dry sump I bet, but Mike said it best when he said it takes a special kind of stupid crazy to love that kind of motor and drive it on the street. He and I have that in common. :thumbsup:

You're out of your mind.:unibrow: There is a point where it takes the fun out of it for me and that is a long way across that line.

Cris@JCG

11-26-2012, 07:00 PM

Just put a supercharged Coyote in it!! That way I can still beat you on the Auto-X with my N/A LS3 Camaro that weights 3800 lbs.. :D :unibrow: :lol:

FETorino

11-26-2012, 07:23 PM

My last comment on this side bar as Matt will not be doing a dry sump I bet, but Mike said it best when he said it takes a special kind of stupid crazy to love that kind of motor and drive it on the street. He and I have that in common. :thumbsup:

Dry sump has nothing to do with the nonsense described above. Heating oil and priming the system are all because they set the motor up with super tight bearing clearances. This allows the race teams to run at high temps for extended periods of time with Low weight oil and low parasitic drag while still protecting the bearings from cavitation.

So your race motor with 0.0011-0.0015" clearance will run great but not if you don't warm the oil. If you aren't going to run it full tilt for 500 mi and can sacrifice a few hp run looser clearances.

Now back to Matt. Resale you are probably better with a Coyote. A Windsor will get it done and take all kinds of abuse.:thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets

11-26-2012, 07:58 PM

As someone who has driven Mikes Mustang both on the street and at the auto-x i would not want to have that motor in anything other than a pure auto-x/track car. The clutch is an on/off switch and yes you do have to heat the oil and water for 45-60 minutes,prime the oil pump with a air ratchet until you get oil pressure then reconnect the belt, etc, etc, etc.

My vote would be for either the crate motor with blower or a high revving 331 sbf.

i agree, stroke a winsor with a light weight crank, aluminum flywheel, top off with a nasty looking injection system and be done with it matt. I think it would have to be stretched a bit more to fit a Coyote in between them flares.

GrabberGT

11-27-2012, 09:05 AM

Matt@BOS

11-27-2012, 11:19 AM

I've been keeping my eyes open for a new power plant myself. Eventually, I'll learn to drive the 347 I've got now and will be looking to upgrade. The Coyote 5.0 is tempting with its OEM reliability, weight and power potential. Especially with the stroker 347/351 packages coming out. But Packaging is a HUGE hurdle for those of us not looking to completely start over with a new front clip. Why couldn't Ford keep the size down to something we could use. The LS is tempting but as has been stated already doesn't fit and everybody is doing it. A thought I have come up with but not researched is a short stroke LS. Build the 5.0 Ford should have. It may not stable, reliable, or cheap but would definitely be fun.

I remember hearing about the sleeved/stroked packages for the Coyote last year, but I haven't seen anything since. When I was doing the latest incarnation of my 454 LS engine, I asked Steve Dimerjian about the sleeved Coyote blocks, and he wasn't sure they had worked all of the issues out yet. I do think a stroked Coyote would be the best of both worlds. I would build one in a heart beat if I didn't think I would be a guinea pig for durability testing. N/A Coyote motors pull hard above 4000rpm and really sing between 5000-7500. Which for isn't what I want in a dual purpose car. Bigger cubes from a bigger stroke like in the 5.4 would really help with the torque. You to need to gear the Coyotes aggressively like DSE did on their test car, but then you lose some of the easy going highway street manners. The blower cars have a better power band, but when I drove one, the power came on so strong at about 3000rpm that it felt a little like an on off switch. I'm sure you could get around that with different cams, and slightly more aggressive gearing, but the point I'm trying to make is that right now is that the only smooth mod motor I've driven (4.6 3v, 5.0, 5.4) with a flat torque curve is the blown 5.4 and that is simply to big a motor to put in a little '65.

The problem I keep having in making a decision is whether I want the simplicity and flat torque curve of a 400 plus cube Windsor, or the technological benefits of a blown Coyote. Both would weigh about the same, with the Windsor being the better track motor, and the Coyote being the better street motor.

GrabberGT

11-27-2012, 12:37 PM

I remember hearing about the sleeved/stroked packages for the Coyote last year, but I haven't seen anything since. When I was doing the latest incarnation of my 454 LS engine, I asked Steve Dimerjian about the sleeved Coyote blocks, and he wasn't sure they had worked all of the issues out yet. I do think a stroked Coyote would be the best of both worlds. I would build one in a heart beat if I didn't think I would be a guinea pig for durability testing. N/A Coyote motors pull hard above 4000rpm and really sing between 5000-7500. Which for isn't what I want in a dual purpose car. Bigger cubes from a bigger stroke like in the 5.4 would really help with the torque. You to need to gear the Coyotes aggressively like DSE did on their test car, but then you lose some of the easy going highway street manners. The blower cars have a better power band, but when I drove one, the power came on so strong at about 3000rpm that it felt a little like an on off switch. I'm sure you could get around that with different cams, and slightly more aggressive gearing, but the point I'm trying to make is that right now is that the only smooth mod motor I've driven (4.6 3v, 5.0, 5.4) with a flat torque curve is the blown 5.4 and that is simply to big a motor to put in a little '65.

The problem I keep having in making a decision is whether I want the simplicity and flat torque curve of a 400 plus cube Windsor, or the technological benefits of a blown Coyote. Both would weigh about the same, with the Windsor being the better track motor, and the Coyote being the better street motor.

I forgot to include the link to the 351 info:

http://www.stangtv.com/tech-stories/engine/wiseco-k1-and-erl-join-forces-to-create-bigger-better-351-coyote/

This one is at the top of my list so far. Just needs a trick EFI setup.

http://ford.shafiroff.com/ford_crate_engines/427_clevor_hhr.php

GregWeld

11-27-2012, 01:01 PM

I remember hearing about the sleeved/stroked packages for the Coyote last year, but I haven't seen anything since. When I was doing the latest incarnation of my 454 LS engine, I asked Steve Dimerjian about the sleeved Coyote blocks, and he wasn't sure they had worked all of the issues out yet. I do think a stroked Coyote would be the best of both worlds. I would build one in a heart beat if I didn't think I would be a guinea pig for durability testing. N/A Coyote motors pull hard above 4000rpm and really sing between 5000-7500. Which for isn't what I want in a dual purpose car. Bigger cubes from a bigger stroke like in the 5.4 would really help with the torque. You to need to gear the Coyotes aggressively like DSE did on their test car, but then you lose some of the easy going highway street manners. The blower cars have a better power band, but when I drove one, the power came on so strong at about 3000rpm that it felt a little like an on off switch. I'm sure you could get around that with different cams, and slightly more aggressive gearing, but the point I'm trying to make is that right now is that the only smooth mod motor I've driven (4.6 3v, 5.0, 5.4) with a flat torque curve is the blown 5.4 and that is simply to big a motor to put in a little '65.

The problem I keep having in making a decision is whether I want the simplicity and flat torque curve of a 400 plus cube Windsor, or the technological benefits of a blown Coyote. Both would weigh about the same, with the Windsor being the better track motor, and the Coyote being the better street motor.

At least you're THINKING! I like that part!

I like big inch small blocks --- and stick some 8 stack efi on it and it would have instant throttle response - it would look kool and then you could be like other kool guys that I can think of on here. :D

Matt@BOS

11-27-2012, 01:58 PM

At least you're THINKING! I like that part!

I like big inch small blocks --- and stick some 8 stack efi on it and it would have instant throttle response - it would look kool and then you could be like other kool guys that I can think of on here. :D

I would be kool? You mean like Rodger? He had stacks on his truck. I talked with him at Good Guys last weekend, and he's pretty Kool, with a capital 'K.' Although, now he is talking about LSA crate engines, and billet stuff. I seem to recall one other kool guy, but his name escapes me at this time. :lol:

fleetus macmullitz

11-27-2012, 03:09 PM

Here's some fairly recent discussion on the 351 Coyote idea...

http://www.modularfords.com/f17/badass-351-coyote-188737/

GrabberGT

11-27-2012, 03:49 PM

Here's some fairly recent discussion on the 351 Coyote idea...

http://www.modularfords.com/f17/badass-351-coyote-188737/

You know. I followed this link to the thread and read thru it. Then I noticed the dates on the posts. Thinking I was smart, I was about to post that the news you had was old but then I check the article I posted only to find it was older still. (6/11) Oddly enough, this article was just sent to my email via Stang TV. They must be recycling old articles.

So now back to the Windsor block. Just keep the weight low on the car and go 351 block based stroker.

preston

11-27-2012, 03:58 PM

Flash68

11-27-2012, 10:46 PM

Matt... quit thinking so much... just make something happen... and deal with it (fix it) later.... life's more interesting that way. :lol:

Just have a Stone IPA (or better yet a Pliny) or 3 and the answer will just pop in your head. :unibrow:

Matt@BOS

11-28-2012, 04:33 PM

Yeah I got excited about my Turbo Coyote idea and started doing research. I got stuck on the fact that my 427, any 427, is making 400+ rwftlbs + by 3k rpm. The Coyote is only making 300 rwftlbs and the boost doesn't come up until after that. They don't really start matching the big motor until 4k+. I guess that's where the heat pump style blowers shine, will need to see blown Coyote dyno graph. So for me I can't see giving up that 3k rpm hit of torque. I just need to keep working with engine guys to try to get mine to the streetable OEM type performance I want. I'm as die hard as any of you about keeping a Ford motor but paying the $3k premium for the Al block is a killer when even the base LS motors are all alum blocks, and OEM to boot.

Although there are some interesting new heads coming out like the TrickFlow R11 and the Kaase P-38 which may mean big step ups in performance for the Windsor.

And have you guys seen how much power the guys are making and holding with the 5.3 junkyard LS motors ? $1k for the motor, home built turbo system and BIG POWA. Kind of makes you feel chumpy for spending thousands on a motor build. If they blow it up, they just go get another junkyard truck motor and good to go.

Preston, I don't have a graph on hand, but I remember seeing a comparison between a GT and GT500 both with Kenne Bell twin screws. The 5.0 in the GT killed the GT500 for peak power numbers, but keep in mind, it is a much higher compression motor than the GT500's mill. Down low, the GT500 had the edge, and it wasn't until the 5.0 Coyote was fed 15lbs of boost that it started putting out healthy amounts of low end torque.

Dave, I've got a bunch of Ballast point brews in the fridge, but they are all IPAs and I'm getting tired of IPAs. That is all anyone drinks in California anymore. :lol: I sipped on a nice stout while looking at small block Fords the other day. Did you know an aluminum 8.2" deck block only weighs 80ish lbs?? Maybe I should...no. Nevermind. I'm not going to say anything else. Don't want to have to explain why I changed my mind again.

GregWeld

11-28-2012, 04:55 PM

Don't want to have to explain why I changed my mind again.

In all seriousness here.... I'm going to compare this motor issue to one that we've been encountering for the last 4 or 5 years.

All of our best friends have second homes -- Scottsdale -- Palm Springs -- Tucson -- Montana -- Sun Valley... etc. ALL of them have been pushing THEIR location as where WE should buy a place. Obviously these are all nice places to have a second home when you live in Poopieville Seattle. The problem is -- they weren't where WE wanted to be. We said this a 1000 times... WE will buy something when WE figure it out. And that means -- WE will jump on a place once there is someplace that we absolutely know is "right" for US.

My point is -- when you don't have a motor -- and there are a billion OPTIONS out there... and everyone has an opinion on what is best. Take your time, just like you're doing now, and you'll eventually come up with what is best for your build.

When you close your eyes and you "see" your car... what is it that you see? Not asking you to explain it -- just saying that you might keep coming back to a particular vision. When you figure that out.... That's what you should go with.

WE ended up with a place in Sun Valley... and neither of us would have figured that out until we accidentally saw a place that turned us both on... and we realized that I love to ski and she loves to bike and hike... and we both love at least two seasons over there. DONE. Once that happened it was super easy and we're excited about it. Until then - we could have cared less. :cheers:

67zo6Camaro

11-29-2012, 11:22 AM

Boy...

a lot of pages about what motor you should buy. :rolleyes:

Can I play? :rofl:

Flash68

11-29-2012, 11:26 AM

Dave, I've got a bunch of Ballast point brews in the fridge, but they are all IPAs and I'm getting tired of IPAs. That is all anyone drinks in California anymore. :lol:

Yeah I hear ya. I switch back and forth from the hoppy stuff to the Belgians periodically. Delirium Tremens is a personal fave and usually there is one in my fridge.

Boy...

a lot of pages about what motor you should buy. :rolleyes:

Can I play? :rofl:

It's kinda fun isn't it. :lol:

214Chevy

11-29-2012, 11:43 AM

In all seriousness here.... I'm going to compare this motor issue to one that we've been encountering for the last 4 or 5 years.

All of our best friends have second homes -- Scottsdale -- Palm Springs -- Tucson -- Montana -- Sun Valley... etc. ALL of them have been pushing THEIR location as where WE should buy a place. Obviously these are all nice places to have a second home when you live in Poopieville Seattle. The problem is -- they weren't where WE wanted to be. We said this a 1000 times... WE will buy something when WE figure it out. And that means -- WE will jump on a place once there is someplace that we absolutely know is "right" for US.

My point is -- when you don't have a motor -- and there are a billion OPTIONS out there... and everyone has an opinion on what is best. Take your time, just like you're doing now, and you'll eventually come up with what is best for your build.

When you close your eyes and you "see" your car... what is it that you see? Not asking you to explain it -- just saying that you might keep coming back to a particular vision. When you figure that out.... That's what you should go with.

WE ended up with a place in Sun Valley... and neither of us would have figured that out until we accidentally saw a place that turned us both on... and we realized that I love to ski and she loves to bike and hike... and we both love at least two seasons over there. DONE. Once that happened it was super easy and we're excited about it. Until then - we could have cared less. :cheers:

Well said Greg. :yes: :yes:

Matt@BOS

11-29-2012, 01:08 PM

Boy...

a lot of pages about what motor you should buy. :rolleyes:

Can I play? :rofl:

Sure, Brett. What is your suggestion? Is is something you saw at SEMA, i.e. bedazzled or gold plated? I'm sure gold plated would help keep under hood temps down. :lol:

Ok, what would you do?

Dave, Delerium Tremens is a good choice. I've always got a St. Bernardus Abt 12 tucked away in the corner, (and a Speedway stout, can't forget about that one). There is just something about having a happy friar on a bottle of beer that makes things better. Perhaps we should start a beer snob thread to go next to Todd's healthy living one.

Greg, when I visualize the car, right now I see a Windsor/Clevor with stack injection. Actually, after my LS engine mishap, I have been reduced to simply dreaming about any engine that can see hard miles and will run trouble free for a long time. I could have picked up and ran a used Z06 completely into the ground for the cost of pulling and modifying, and installing, and breaking, my two different LS engines. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I want trouble free, and that usually means overbuilding with components, and simplifying ideas, so and iron Ford small block doesn't sound so bad.

Payton King

11-29-2012, 01:47 PM

How is that LS motor coming for the 69?

Here is one for the Mustang

http://www.racingjunk.com/Road-Racing-Engines/2345578/Ford-SVO-Small-Block.html

...and if you are going to be a bear, be a Grizzly

http://www.racingjunk.com/Circle-Track/2489913/ROUSH-YATES-358ci-D3-head-complete-engine.html

Flash68

11-29-2012, 02:09 PM

Matt -- I think the beer snob thread is a fantastic idea. You or me start it? :unibrow:

And whoever this Payton guy is... I like him. :lol:

:woot:

GrabberGT

11-29-2012, 02:24 PM

This one looks fun

http://www.roushyates.com/EnginePrograms/StreetandPerformance.aspx

Matt@BOS

11-29-2012, 04:04 PM

Matt -- I think the beer snob thread is a fantastic idea. You or me start it? :unibrow:

And whoever this Payton guy is... I like him. :lol:

:woot:

Go ahead and start it. Get us going with some good "snobservations," on your favorite brews. :lol:

Yeah that Payton guy is pretty cool. I feel like Goldie Locks, the first engine is too small, but the second is too big.

PonchoJohn

11-30-2012, 09:51 AM

Neat build- any "updates" on it?

Matt@BOS

11-30-2012, 01:06 PM

Neat build- any "updates" on it?

Yes, I have made some progress on it. The body is entirely in primer, however I still need to modify the tail panel to fit. It is about 1/2-3/4" too short at the bottom. Right now I'm working on getting the nose of the car together, and have been modifying a Shelby "R" front valance with some recessed park lights. I haven't put up any pictures lately because photobucket's new site is annoying.

Oh, and Payton, the Camaro is mostly back together and the entire car is up at the engine builders. We had some set backs with the RHS Pro Elite LS7 heads not fitting because RHS regretted disclose or inform anyone of how differently shaped their combustion chambers were on their "LS7" head. They list the head as 69cc vs. 70cc but don't state anywhere in their literature that you may need a non LS7 shaped piston depending on whether you are/aren't running a flat, domed, or dished. Anyway, I'm hoping to have it on the road by the end of next week, but realistically only care about being done before Ron. :lol:

GregWeld

11-30-2012, 01:12 PM

Anyway, I'm hoping to have it on the road by the end of next week, but realistically only care about being done before Ron. :lol:

I have projects I haven't even dreamed of yet that can make that "date".

fleetus macmullitz

11-30-2012, 01:20 PM

I have projects I haven't even dreamed of yet that can make that "date".

:lol:

Double ouch!

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/St.gif

Ron in SoCal

11-30-2012, 01:40 PM

Somewhere Dave Gordon is smiling, thinking 'finally it's someone else's turn'...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Matt@BOS

11-30-2012, 05:47 PM

Somewhere Dave Gordon is smiling, thinking 'finally it's someone else's turn'...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hey, Dave shouldn't feel bad. All I re-used from my sweet score of an engine were the crank, connecting rods and oddly enough, the cam. The balance job on the crank was shady, even the ARP needed to be fixed. Figure that one out!

LUACE

12-06-2012, 10:44 PM

I could, but I'm looking for something that will make as much power as my 454 LS7. :_paranoid

I've been looking at some Ford pushrod crate motors because of their compact size, allowing me to tuck and set the engine back, but by the time I get through pricing out fuel injection, aluminum blocks, and 600-650hp capability they seem to get expensive. It also sounds stupid, but I'd like to get decent gas mileage out of it when cruising around town. I keep coming back to the Coyote mod motor with a magna charger because it is probably the only new blower that will fit under the hood. That setup probably weighs 25lbs more than a blown LS. With a big tire up front I'm not too worried about weight distribution. My 3800lb gt500 handles pretty well with 57 percent weight up front.

If any Ford guys have recommendations, please chime in! Links would be even better. I don't know much about Windsors or Clevors or FEs, etc.

Matt

Have you checked out Edelbrock's Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (700 HP & 606 TQ)? It sounds like a beast...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/crate_engines/ford_5.0-coyote.shtml

Matt@BOS

12-07-2012, 08:30 AM

Have you checked out Edelbrock's Supercharged 5.0L Coyote Crate Engine (700 HP & 606 TQ)? It sounds like a beast...
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/crate_engines/ford_5.0-coyote.shtml

Louis, I actually stumbled across that a couple days ago. I'm interested to see what they want for the package. It looks like it is just a Ford Racing Aluminator crate engine with an Edelbrock supercharger, wiring harness and alternator bolted on. I would still need to figure out power steering and an intercooler.

fleetus macmullitz

12-11-2012, 10:39 AM

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Matt@BOS

12-11-2012, 06:53 PM

Gh3S-9RLrFM

Skip, thanks for finding that. I've always been of the opinion that 4 valve mod motors with headers sound cooler than LS engines. With that said, I decided on an engine. I'm going to order a Boss 302 mod motor from Jegs. 444 hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque. It has the best flowing heads out there with a great valvetrain, and slightly more aggressive cams than in the GT. The rotating assembly is fully forged to boot. I'll throw on some long tube headers, eight stack injection, and get a nice tune for it. I think that combo should be good for at least 520ish at the crank. It should also rev to the moon. with stack injection it will probably make power all the way to 8000 rpm. This route definitely won't make the most power, but it offers factory oem tested durability.

If it is slow (insert Ford joke here) I can always slap a blower and maybe even some new pistons in it, depending on boost levels.

fleetus macmullitz

12-11-2012, 08:31 PM

Skip, thanks for finding that. I've always been of the opinion that 4 valve mod motors with headers sound cooler than LS engines. With that said, I decided on an engine. I'm going to order a Boss 302 mod motor from Jegs. 444 hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque. It has the best flowing heads out there with a great valvetrain, and slightly more aggressive cams than in the GT. The rotating assembly is fully forged to boot. I'll throw on some long tube headers, eight stack injection, and get a nice tune for it. I think that combo should be good for at least 520ish at the crank. It should also rev to the moon. with stack injection it will probably make power all the way to 8000 rpm. This route definitely won't make the most power, but it offers factory oem tested durability.

If it is slow (insert Ford joke here) I can always slap a blower and maybe even some new pistons in it, depending on boost levels.

Glad you enjoyed it; they sound better than I expected. :cool:

Got another car to build first, but I can think of a number of Fords I'd put the same motor in that you've chosen.

FETorino

12-11-2012, 09:00 PM

Glad you enjoyed it; they sound better than I expected. :cool:

Got another car to build first, but I can think of a number of Fords I'd put the same motor in that you've chosen.

I can think of a couple :unibrow: A blue one and an orange one.:rofl:

fleetus macmullitz

12-11-2012, 09:25 PM

I can think of a couple :unibrow: A blue one and an orange one.:rofl:

IpkLbRQ5sE4

$.25 on the orange and $.25 on the blue?

:lol:

Matt@BOS

12-11-2012, 10:43 PM

Flash68

12-11-2012, 10:45 PM

You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Just click back to the old version. Although that probably won't be around forever.

Flickr maybe?

enzo

12-12-2012, 01:40 AM

You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Shutterfly...

If you PM me your email address i will add you to my sharesite for the Chevelle.

fleetus macmullitz

12-12-2012, 05:08 AM

You guys are something else. :lol:

Ok, question of the day. What is a good photo hosting side other than photo bucket. I've had it with their site and all of it's format and browser issues. If you don't tell me, I will just have to keep the pictures of my aluma-frame install to myself.

Matt,

I know what you're saying about PB, and I have the same question.

I wonder if they're owned by Netflix?

Or RIM?

:lol:

dontlifttoshift

12-12-2012, 05:34 AM

SmugMug....it's not free but it is awesome to work with and easy to use. Image inserts are cakewalk for the forum and there are phone apps so that you have access to your entire photo library from where ever.

I have been with them for 2 years now and have not had a problem.

fleetus macmullitz

12-12-2012, 05:38 AM

DOOM

12-12-2012, 06:19 AM

Skip, thanks for finding that. I've always been of the opinion that 4 valve mod motors with headers sound cooler than LS engines. With that said, I decided on an engine. I'm going to order a Boss 302 mod motor from Jegs. 444 hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque. It has the best flowing heads out there with a great valvetrain, and slightly more aggressive cams than in the GT. The rotating assembly is fully forged to boot. I'll throw on some long tube headers, eight stack injection, and get a nice tune for it. I think that combo should be good for at least 520ish at the crank. It should also rev to the moon. with stack injection it will probably make power all the way to 8000 rpm. This route definitely won't make the most power, but it offers factory oem tested durability.

If it is slow (insert Ford joke here) I can always slap a blower and maybe even some new pistons in it, depending on boost levels.

:willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :willy: :bow: :bow: :bow: :cheers:

WSSix

12-12-2012, 07:06 AM

I like your plan, Matt. 8 stack on a mod motor will look great.

GregWeld

12-12-2012, 08:14 AM

http://www.smugmug.com

fleetus macmullitz

12-12-2012, 08:22 AM

http://www.smugmug.com

Smugmug, huh?

Sounds like one of your companies.

:woot:

GrabberGT

12-12-2012, 12:37 PM

I prefer Picasa. Easy to use and friendly to visitors.

GrabberGT

12-12-2012, 12:42 PM

Coyote 8 stack

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E.rodz

12-12-2012, 09:41 PM

Matt@BOS

12-13-2012, 04:54 PM

Matt wow the car looks great I love the low slung look how I missed this thread I don't know it looks great the only thing this thread is more pictures!!!!! its like reading text books in school bla bla bla show us more pictures just kidding keep up the great work and pick a ford motor perhaps a twin turbo v6 would fit better then the 4 valve super huge new ford motors, but you can also do a little more back tracking and cutting to get this to fit as well you have the skills and your making us proud already so don't stop now!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks Eric! Glad you're enjoying watching this car come together. I cut out the shock towers this week, so I should have plenty of space for a big fat mod motor. I would move the engine back a couple inches, but I don't think it would fit under the cowl. :_paranoid

ironworks

12-13-2012, 05:11 PM

Thanks Eric! Glad you're enjoying watching this car come together. I cut out the shock towers this week, so I should have plenty of space for a big fat mod motor. I would move the engine back a couple inches, but I don't think it would fit under the cowl. :_paranoid

So lengthen the hood and move the whole cowl and firewall back. We do it all the time. Makes it look nice.

Matt@BOS

12-13-2012, 06:07 PM

So lengthen the hood and move the whole cowl and firewall back. We do it all the time. Makes it look nice.

But, but... that would involve putting a Chevy style cowl hood on it, and at that point I might as well just throw a Chevy motor in it. I'm also not sure that my current builder is talented enough to fabricate that to an aesthetic and functional level that I would be happy with. I've heard there are some guys out in Bakersfield, and... Damn it, I'm at a loss for Bakersfield jokes at the moment.

Matt@BOS

12-16-2012, 06:34 PM

Ok, got things working with photobucket on my computer. I went to upload photos and realized I had been slacking on progress. I also realized I'm not a prolific picture taker like others on here. There are lots of different parts of the build that I took pictures of, but most of the time I failed to capture either the beginning, middle, or end of each little sub project. :lol:

The drip rails had little patches of rust, and while it would have been easier to shave them off, I really wanted to leave behind as many classic elements of the car as possible. On my Camaro I wanted to incorporate a bit of a modern grand touring vibe to an old muscle car, but on the Mustang I'm try to stay away from a flashy car show custom type of look. So, off I went making new section of the drip rails. It probably took me 25 plus hours to get the shape right so that the trim would fit. At this rate, I need to hire a pro if I ever want to finish.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0711_zpsd81e6f5f.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0712_zps081a671d.jpg

Next I had to replace the "rear cowl panel." the edge around the glass, as well as the metal under it was all rusted out and everything underneath had to be made from scratch. I need to give a hat tip to Craig of Paradise Wheels in San Marcos for lending me some original fastback glass to test fit. Craig owns and maintains vintage race cars, (mostly Shelbys). If you're in the area, his shop is worth dropping by.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0688_zpsb6865e20.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0671_zps9fd16e34.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0699_zpsa6f81139.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0750_zps9fc805e5.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0749_zps33e14f8a.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0752_zpsa05f1e80.jpg

Finally with the main parts of the body in primer, it was time to work on the front of the car. I've always like the the Shelby "R" valance, but have also been bothered by the fact that it looks to awkardly cluttered with holes. So, how does one go about making it better? By adding Camaro parts, of course!
I started with the old busted up fiberglass Marquez Design '69 Camaro front valance. I cut out everything but the rounded mounting ring, which I used to locate the park lights, and then filled in the rest with fiberglass/Fiberal. For the amount of space I needed to fill (3.5" max) the fiberal was more than strong enough, and much easier to sculpt with than fiberglass.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0758_zps0c620b53.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0764_zps3e470368.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0765_zpsa3c78a52.jpg

Right now the front end is back off the car so that I can install the aluma-frame. When it goes back together the BOS body shop with clean up where I left off, get everything to a presentable level of fit and finish and prime it!

Matt

GregWeld

12-16-2012, 06:43 PM

So happy to see you're not just another pretty face!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

ironworks

12-16-2012, 08:32 PM

Just when I was looking to catch up on the latest who is dating who and all that in the san Diego area and your actually back on topic. BORING

WSSix

12-16-2012, 08:43 PM

I like the incorporation of the Camaro lights:thumbsup: Good job

Ron in SoCal

12-16-2012, 08:53 PM

I'm diggin it Matt...:thumbsup: Tell me, no replacement metal for the rear window channel available? Front valance looks good :cheers:

Matt@BOS

12-16-2012, 09:20 PM

I like the incorporation of the Camaro lights:thumbsup: Good job

Thanks Trey!

Ron, as far as I know, no one makes the piece of metal for the window channel.

Rodger, OMG txt me for stories, LOL.

Flash68

12-16-2012, 11:36 PM

http://www.yellowbullet.com/classifieds/viewlisting.php?view=24940

waynieZ

12-17-2012, 10:26 AM

Looking good Matt

FETorino

12-17-2012, 06:44 PM

http://www.yellowbullet.com/classifieds/viewlisting.php?view=24940

Should either of you be looking at second hand motors? :rolleyes: Actually should anyone take your advice on buying a second hand motor? :rolleyes:

Car looks good Matt.

Matt@BOS

12-18-2012, 08:41 AM

Should either of you be looking at second hand motors? :rolleyes: Actually should anyone take your advice on buying a second hand motor? :rolleyes:

Car looks good Matt.

Hey, I can't speak for Dave, but I got a good deal on a rotating assembly, heads, and oil pan, which just happened to be bolted up to a block.

That stroked 4.6 is tempting, and a year ago I would have jumped all over it, but now I think I would rather have more of a high winding road race engine that comes directly from Ford Racing so I can be guaranteed that it hasn't been blessed by morons. I drove a 458 Italia on a track last year, and while it wasn't the fastest car I've ever driven, I was surprised that it never once felt like it was lugging down low without gobs of torque.

I'm looking at these right now. I'm not sure if there is any appreciable difference between the two. It looks like the 302R comes with a huge oil pan and a manual transmission wiring harness. Engine wise they appear to be very similar. I've heard the 302R gets wrung out to 8000 RPM. It doesn't say what power it makes. It just says "over 444hp," :unibrow:

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007M50B/2012-Mustang-Boss-302-50L-Crate-Engine-M-6007-M50b

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007M50BR/2012-Mustang-Ford-Racing-Boss-302R-50L-Crate-Engine-Assembly

syborg tt

12-18-2012, 10:23 AM

Hey, I can't speak for Dave, but I got a good deal on a rotating assembly, heads, and oil pan, which just happened to be bolted up to a block.

That stroked 4.6 is tempting, and a year ago I would have jumped all over it, but now I think I would rather have more of a high winding road race engine that comes directly from Ford Racing so I can be guaranteed that it hasn't been blessed by morons. I drove a 458 Italia on a track last year, and while it wasn't the fastest car I've ever driven, I was surprised that it never once felt like it was lugging down low without gobs of torque.

I'm looking at these right now. I'm not sure if there is any appreciable difference between the two. It looks like the 302R comes with a huge oil pan and a manual transmission wiring harness. Engine wise they appear to be very similar. I've heard the 302R gets wrung out to 8000 RPM. It doesn't say what power it makes. It just says "over 444hp," :unibrow:

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007M50B/2012-Mustang-Boss-302-50L-Crate-Engine-M-6007-M50b

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007M50BR/2012-Mustang-Ford-Racing-Boss-302R-50L-Crate-Engine-Assembly

This is an awesome project and I am hoping you buy one of the Boss 302 motors.

Last night I looked at a new light green Boss 302 and almost pulled the trigger. The new motor is awesome

Matt@BOS

12-18-2012, 12:12 PM

This is an awesome project and I am hoping you buy one of the Boss 302 motors.

Last night I looked at a new light green Boss 302 and almost pulled the trigger. The new motor is awesome

Nice, did you take it for a spin? What were your impressions?

I also just found this the new "Aluminator XS" but judging from the cam specs, this is not what I want for a road race engine. 263/290 on a little 302. :wow:

syborg tt

12-18-2012, 12:42 PM

Nice, did you take it for a spin? What were your impressions?

I also just found this the new "Aluminator XS" but judging from the cam specs, this is not what I want for a road race engine. 263/290 on a little 302. :wow:

I am actually going back tonight to test drive it. However I am concerned that if I drive it I may actually buy it.

coolwelder62

12-18-2012, 01:22 PM

This thread has 322 post's. and it's not finished yet:willy: .What are we waiting on.Let's get a motor built.trans bought,and some paint sprayed.We are burning daylight boy's.:lol:

Matt@BOS

12-18-2012, 05:20 PM

This thread has 322 post's. and it's not finished yet:willy: .What are we waiting on.Let's get a motor built.trans bought,and some paint sprayed.We are burning daylight boy's.:lol:

I have a transmission. Two actually. :lol:

In other news, I did more research on cam specs for the Coyote mod motors. It looks like even the road race engines are using the 263/290 cam sets with 13mm lift.

I also found the perfect bolt on for Marty in case he was having any reservations about pulling the trigger on a '13 Boss 302.

http://i.imgur.com/nAC7Y.jpg

Matt@BOS

12-29-2012, 12:05 PM

Who is ready for some crappy cell phone pictures? :lol:

Since a number of people have asked me about the DSE Aluma-Frame, and are interested in hearing feedback, or seeing it on a car, I figured I would post up some pictures of the install process. Don't expect anything as organized, or cool looking as a Fab53 write up though.

The Aluma-frame installs onto the car's factory frame rails using basic hand tools and and a little bit of welding. I watched the video they provided and it looks like a two hour project. :lol:

the list of tools really isn't that big, you will need a drill, a few hole saws, a cutting wheel, and a die grinder or two. As I have also found out, you will need a little bit of patience on a few steps.

The first thing I did was cut out the original shock towers per DSE's instructions.Don't bother with the spot welds, just cut along the separation between the shock tower and inner fender.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0771_zps45cb2d96.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0772_zps92f75c75.jpg

Once the big piece is out, drill (or my preference - grind) out all of the spot welds on the remaining little pieces so that you are left with bare frame rails.
There will be one bolt hole underneath the frame rails boxed in by a stamped piece of metal. Per DSE's instructions this piece stays. These bolt holes serve to locate the aluminum cradle during mock up. Depending on your car, you may need to deviate from their instructions a little to cut out an embossed bump around the bolt hole.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0773_zps0210bb03.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0774_zps1de288a9.jpg

Once the cradle is mocked up, check the car front to back, and diagonally to make sure that everything is square.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0775_zps2ae10605.jpg

After squaring it up, the real fun begins. The next step involves installing the steel crush sleeves and adapter brackets to bolt the upper control arm and shock mounts onto the frame rails. You will need to locate where to drill the holes from underneath the car with the cradle bolted up. After marking your spots, break out the hole saws and go to town underneath the car. DSE now provides an alignment pin tool for drilling, and I would recommend using that to help locate your first holes, as opposed to a punch (It wasn't shown in their install video, and it showed up after everything else). After drilling holes for the four primary crush sleeves, test fit everything, check that it is square, and locate the hole for the shock mount on the steel adapter plate.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0792.jpg

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0793.jpg

Drill that out with a hole saw, then bolt everything else back up. Now transfer the hole to the bottom.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0806.jpg

That is it for pictures today. The next step is welding the adapter plates on and fitting the go fast parts up.

Matt

Ron in SoCal

12-29-2012, 02:37 PM

Nice work Matt! :thumbsup:

Call me wierd, but I love seeing those shock towers getting cut out. It means something good comes next.

Matt@BOS

12-29-2012, 02:59 PM

Nice work Matt! :thumbsup:

Call me wierd, but I love seeing those shock towers getting cut out. It means something good comes next.

I'd call you weird, but I'm not sure sure I have a leg to stand on there. Cutting the old pieces out was my favorite part. There is just something satisfying about cutting away things. It was also the fastest part of the process. It only took part of an afternoon. Putting the crush tubes into the frame rails has taken up a couple days.

waynieZ

12-29-2012, 05:08 PM

Nice job Matt, its shaping up.

67XR7

12-29-2012, 05:31 PM

thanks for this write up.

coolwelder62

12-29-2012, 06:34 PM

Progress,:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

preston

01-03-2013, 07:56 AM

Wow that DSE setup is nice. If that stuff had been available 10 years ago I wouldn't have had to build my own tube chassis for my '67.

I remember back in '97 absolutely lusting after an MII conversion before I realized how inadequate that would have been for me. Either way it was still far out of my budget (as would this DSE piece if I was in that same place today. I didn't see a price on it but I"m guessing $5k ? )

HOwever I have the same concern with this that I had with the MII conversion - How are they reinforcing or traingulating that frame rail ? The strut towers provide a ton of reinforcement and that frame rail is not really designed to hold the loads on its own. I look forward to seeing the rest of the install. We have come so far in this hobby.

bighead

01-03-2013, 08:21 AM

ccracin

01-03-2013, 07:35 PM

There is just something satisfying about cutting away things.
:lol: Then I have to be COMPLETELY satisfied with our project! I think we have more cutting tools than anything else in our shop!

Awesome work Matt. You are really doing it right! Keep it up! :thumbsup:

GregWeld

01-03-2013, 07:47 PM

Cuttin' is the EASY part -- stickin' her back together and havin' it be RIGHT - and LOOK GOOD TOO... Das where the skillz come.

Still -- most "hot rodders" need to learn how to "cut to cure".... 'cause it's just part of the game. :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS

01-03-2013, 08:37 PM

Yep. Got there... Still doing that.

Actually, I got everything bolted in today. I now have front suspension. It doesn't look pretty right now with patches of weld through primer, but it also doesn't look like a turd. On this car I think we're going to have to get it together and make sure all the parts fit before taking it back apart to make it pretty.

FETorino

01-03-2013, 08:40 PM

GregWeld

01-03-2013, 08:44 PM

^^^^^^^ YEAH! What he said!!

Rick D

01-03-2013, 08:47 PM

^^^^^^^ YEAH! What he said!!

X3 you must of had a cell phone with you!!!

Matt@BOS

01-03-2013, 11:42 PM

Ok, I think I left off the alum-frame install after I got the adapter brackets fit. From there you just weld them on. I forgot to take a picture of that part. Then it is pretty simple, you put the lower control arms on, figure out where to weld the bump stops, here:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0811.jpg

after that, put the rack and the anti-roll bar on. The best way to eyeball that the end links are even is the get them level, and parallel with the frame.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0810.jpg

then you install a pair of aluminum shims on the steel adapter plates. The upper control arm mounts bolt on top of the two aluminum shim plates. Here is a shot of the cool speed-lign adjusters for caster.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0813.jpg

Bolt the shock mounts, shocks, upper control arms, and spindles in place and you're just about good to go!

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0817.jpg
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0818.jpg

There is a reason I don't write installation manuals for a living. Deal with it. :lol:

Some cell phone shots are better than nothing, right?

GregWeld

01-03-2013, 11:49 PM

Hey! What are friends for.... unless they can push all your buttons!

Nice work Matt!

:thumbsup:

preston

01-04-2013, 12:03 AM

Dang that crossmember is a nice looking piece.

Matt@BOS

01-04-2013, 12:07 AM

Hey! What are friends for.... unless they can push all your buttons!

Nice work Matt!

:thumbsup:

Thanks Greg! You have to worry about the people you call friends that don't push your buttons. :lol:

Speaking of when you said taking things apart was easy compared to putting them together and making them look nice and work. Well, I didn't fully weld a couple pieces on because I figured I would be taking it all off later for paint and I wanted to make sure it all fit before I made it really difficult to take off, so I only tac welded the bottom of the two crush tube sleeves that the big 8-3/4" coilover mount bracket bolt goes into. (there are four smaller bolts that also secure the coilover mount) When I was just buttoning up the front end and putting the bolt, the I could feel that it wasn't threading in normally. My first thought, "F--- me, I screwed it up. I knew that was going to happen." Then I realized that mounting bracket was wobbling as the bolt went in. Yes, the huge 7/16 x 8-3/4 grade 8 bolt was bent, actually both were. It's funny, I was just so relieved I didn't screw things up.

Vince@Meanstreets

01-04-2013, 01:06 AM

looking great matt....those adjusters will make your life a lot easier.

syborg tt

01-04-2013, 12:46 PM

I drove the car it was a blast. However a once in a lifetime vehicle was offered to me and I think I am going to try to figure out a way to buy it.

I also found the perfect bolt on for Marty in case he was having any reservations about pulling the trigger on a '13 Boss 302.

http://i.imgur.com/nAC7Y.jpg

Ron in SoCal

01-04-2013, 12:59 PM

I drove the car it was a blast. However a once in a lifetime vehicle was offered to me and I think I am going to try to figure out a way to buy it.

Oh no he didn't! :lol:

ccracin

01-04-2013, 02:40 PM

I drove the car it was a blast. However a once in a lifetime vehicle was offered to me and I think I am going to try to figure out a way to buy it.

Seriously, you can't make a statement like that on here and that's it! Give it up, whatcha getting now? :unibrow:

Matt@BOS

01-05-2013, 11:24 AM

Seriously, you can't make a statement like that on here and that's it! Give it up, whatcha getting now? :unibrow:

Inquiring minds want to know, what is cooler than a Boss 302? It must be something from Chevy, or European, but not BMW (you don't seem like an asshat). :lol:

Kind of back on topic, I started mocking up the rear suspension. Crappy cell phone pictures to follow on Monday.

waynieZ

01-05-2013, 11:45 AM

Nice job Matt, its coming along now.

syborg tt

01-08-2013, 01:30 PM

Inquiring minds want to know, what is cooler than a Boss 302? It must be something from Chevy, or European, but not BMW (you don't seem like an asshat). :lol:

Kind of back on topic, I started mocking up the rear suspension. Crappy cell phone pictures to follow on Monday.

Hand Built frame - Dart Small Block - AWD and more metal work them you can imagine.

Kenny told me not to tell my wife and just buy it. I told him to sell the Cuda so were trying.

GrabberGT

01-08-2013, 03:37 PM

Hand Built frame - Dart Small Block - AWD and more metal work them you can imagine.

Kenny told me not to tell my wife and just buy it. I told him to sell the Cuda so were trying.

Cyclone with a V-8? Hardly seems worth throwing the cuda much less the Boss 302 out for. :unibrow:

brotourer

01-11-2013, 06:52 AM

sweet car bro. thank gosh it's a ford this time.

Matt@BOS

02-09-2013, 05:04 PM

I always wanted to use this -> :G-Dub:

Now I can. I just bought one of these.
http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/part/full/M-6007-M50B.jpg
It shipped out yesterday. :G-Dub:

I've got a TR6060 transmission and clutch from a GT500 with under 100 miles on them to try and bolt up. Hopefully it will all bolt together, ha ha, which would allow me start cutting the transmission and fabbing up a transmission mount. In the meantime I've been cleaning up the firewall, and working on mounting a set of Wilwood pedals.

John510

02-09-2013, 05:10 PM

:drool: :drool: :drool:

GregWeld

02-09-2013, 05:11 PM

You're a bonafide Fordaphile......

Sweet by the way!

FETorino

02-09-2013, 05:50 PM

I always wanted to use this -> :G-Dub:

Now I can. I just bought one of these.
It shipped out yesterday. :G-Dub:

I've got a TR6060 transmission and clutch from a GT500 with under 100 miles on them to try and bolt up. Hopefully it will all bolt together, ha ha, which would allow me start cutting the transmission and fabbing up a transmission mount. In the meantime I've been cleaning up the firewall, and working on mounting a set of Wilwood pedals.

Sounds like a game plan Matt. :thumbsup: Congratulations on the Boss. Have you got the rear suspension in yet? Car in primer?

:cheers:

Vegas69

02-09-2013, 05:56 PM

Smart move....

Matt@BOS

02-09-2013, 05:58 PM

You're a bonafide Fordaphile......

Sweet by the way!

What can I say. For a brief period of time (thank god) I think I owned more Fords than Rob. At one period I had two late model Mustangs, the fastback and a bitchin' aluminum monocoque GT40 kit. Technically that might make four cars, but remember, we are talking about Fords here, and things that I own, which means only two of them had wheels and only one actually drove.

Funny story about the GT40 though. My dad decided to retire last year and one of the things he wanted to do was pick up a car that he could work on. I happened to have a big old Ford engine lying around that was a little bit of an impulse by. It was an all aluminum supercharged 5.4L from a 2011 GT500 that was wrecked with 54 miles on it. Couple that with the fact that those engines make 700plus with just bolt ons, and it seemed like a wonderful purchase. I wanted to put it in the little Mustang and have a ridiculously powered cruiser/daily driver, but the damn thing was taller than the length of the bottom of the rocker to the top of the hood. At that point I told him he should take the engine off my hands and drop it in a GT40 replica since wanted a project and had liked GT40s since watching/reading about them at Le Mans. I handled all the paperwork to get him the kit, and somehow ended up footing the bill on it at the same time. He has been paying me back in Mustang parts ever since.

Flash68

02-09-2013, 06:05 PM

Just heard 3 or 4 of these power around Infineon today at a NASA event. Was commenting on how good they sounded.

Wait..... What? :lostmarbles:

Matt@BOS

02-09-2013, 06:13 PM

Sounds like a game plan Matt. :thumbsup: Congratulations on the Boss. Have you got the rear suspension in yet? Car in primer?

:cheers:

Thanks Rob. The rear suspension isn't 100 percent in yet. The housing is bolted up to the control arms, watts link and push rods, but I need to cut the car off the cart to install the torque arm, which means I need to put it on the lift, and I figured I would so I can get a couple of things done when it goes on the lift.

Todd, I could never really put a Chevy in a Ford. We both know resale would be atrocious, and the only other reason to do so would be to go fast for cheap. The upfront savings would definitely be lost down the road, and with me behind the wheel the going fast logic is lost as well. It really doesn't make sense from any perspective, really. :lol:

I am looking forward to the mod motor though. It will get bolt ons and possibly a set of cams that have met Ford Racing's 150,000 mile durability standards. It won't be the most powerful engine but I am much more confident that it will be able to take abuse better than the worked over LS engines I've had.

67XR7

02-09-2013, 06:13 PM

Just heard 3 or 4 of these power around Infineon today at a NASA event. Was commenting on how good they sounded.

Wait..... What? :lostmarbles:

My friend was out there performing the drift demo(he works for cortex), did you get a chance to watch it?

GregWeld

02-09-2013, 06:19 PM

Just heard 3 or 4 of these power around Infineon today at a NASA event. Was commenting on how good they sounded.

Wait..... What? :lostmarbles:

Surely you meant to say SONOMA Raceway..... :bitchslap:

67XR7

02-09-2013, 06:20 PM

67XR7

02-09-2013, 06:24 PM

Matt you probably dont even have to fab a trans cross member , modern driveline probably has one already available for a few bucks. Give Bruce a call, unless of course you really want to make your own.

67XR7

02-09-2013, 06:28 PM

Thanks Rob. The rear suspension isn't 100 percent in yet. The housing is bolted up to the control arms, watts link and push rods, but I need to cut the car off the cart to install the torque arm, which means I need to put it on the lift, and I figured I would so I can get a couple of things done when it goes on the lift.

Todd, I could never really put a Chevy in a Ford. We both know resale would be atrocious, and the only other reason to do so would be to go fast for cheap. The upfront savings would definitely be lost down the road, and with me behind the wheel the going fast logic is lost as well. It really doesn't make sense from any perspective, really. :lol:

I am looking forward to the mod motor though. It will get bolt ons and possibly a set of cams that have met Ford Racing's 150,000 mile durability standards. It won't be the most powerful engine but I am much more confident that it will be able to take abuse better than the worked over LS engines I've had.

ehh.... don't worry about power, you'll have a 6 speed so some 4:30's or 4:56's will keep it lively and driveable!

Matt@BOS

02-09-2013, 06:34 PM

Just heard 3 or 4 of these power around Infineon today at a NASA event. Was commenting on how good they sounded.

Wait..... What? :lostmarbles:

Stop trying to hide it. We can all tell that you love Fords about as blatantly as we can tell that Ellen Degeneres loves women.

67XR7, I bought the 444hp Boss 302 crate. I was looking into the Boss 302/Cobra Jet based Aluminator XS that is supposed to make 500+ but I didn't want to wait until April for an engine. This way I can pick and choose what parts go on. I'll mostly be running it at small tracks and autocrosses since that is nearby, and I don't want to end up with an engine that works better on a road course with open straights to pull high rpms, or best on a drag strip.

p.s. I am looking at possibly having the TR6060 gone through to change to a a .50 6th gear so I can cruise on the highway while having 4.10 or 4.30s.

Flash68

02-09-2013, 06:42 PM

Stop trying to hide it. We can all tell that you love Fords about as blatantly as we can tell that Ellen Degeneres loves women.

I prefer Jodie Foster, thanks.

p.s. I am looking at possibly having the TR6060 gone through to change to a a .50 6th gear so I can cruise on the highway while having 4.10 or 4.30s.

That's a good call. Did the DSE people do that to theirs? They run 4.56 in that, right?

Vegas69

02-09-2013, 06:44 PM

Stop trying to hide it. We can all tell that you love Fords about as blatantly as we can tell that Ellen Degeneres loves women.

67XR7, I bought the 444hp Boss 302 crate. I was looking into the Boss 302/Cobra Jet based Aluminator XS that is supposed to make 500+ but I didn't want to wait until April for an engine. This way I can pick and choose what parts go on. I'll mostly be running it at small tracks and autocrosses since that is nearby, and I don't want to end up with an engine that works better on a road course with open straights to pull high rpms, or best on a drag strip.

p.s. I am looking at possibly having the TR6060 gone through to change to a a .50 6th gear so I can cruise on the highway while having 4.10 or 4.30s.

You opened the door so...

He's been married a while now and he's a closet LS guy. His build will drag out so long he'll be watching TV in a lazy boy by the time it's finished.

The Ford fetish is clearly due to his bromance with you know who....you know, the guy with the boat and cast heads on an aluminum block. :lol: :lol:

Matt@BOS

02-09-2013, 06:54 PM

I prefer Jodie Foster, thanks.

That's a good call. Did the DSE people do that to theirs?

Yeah you're right. What was I thinking. Rob is much more like Ellen. That Jodie Foster analogy fits perfectly. For the record, I'm going to have to disagree with Todd. I'm expecting you to finally get your car together, go out, and after many years, win some big competition. I won't be surprised when you give a speech on the podium where you reveal that you switched sides many years ago and have actually been running a Roush Yates engine all this time.

*edit for relevance* I have no idea if DSE had custom gear ratios spec'd for their transmission. They're running a TKO, which I would guess has to be extra special and/or run powdered magic dust infused in the transmission fluid to allow it to shift at 8000 rpm.

Flash68

02-09-2013, 06:58 PM

My friend was out there performing the drift demo(he works for cortex), did you get a chance to watch it?

Nope musta missed that. I didn't get there til after 1pm.

Surely you meant to say SONOMA Raceway..... :bitchslap:

I didn't even notice. I stand corrected! :bitchslap:

You opened the door so...

He's been married a while now and he's a closet LS guy. His build will drag out so long he'll be watching TV in a lazy boy by the time it's finished.

The Ford fetish is clearly due to his bromance with you know who....you know, the guy with the boat and cast heads on an aluminum block. :lol: :lol:

I am watching TV right now in my lazyboy so what does that mean? :peepwall:

Rob made a little more power than you out of the same cubes, so ya know, I gotta go with him. :lol:

Hey when is that wedding of yours again? :D

Yeah you're right. What was I thinking. Rob is much more like Ellen. That Jodie Foster analogy fits perfectly. For the record, I'm going to have to disagree with Todd. I'm expecting you to finally get your car together, go out, and after many years, win some big competition. I won't be surprised when you give a speech on the podium where you reveal that you switched sides many years ago and have actually been running a Roush Yates engine all this time.

LOL! What a back handed compliment... I think. :lol: I must admit I did order a nice part from Roush Yates just yesterday.... but they build Chevy stuff too... sometimes.

Vegas69

02-09-2013, 07:16 PM

All I remember is more torque, less cubes, smaller cam, less carb, lighter weight, pump gas... HP is just a number.:D

Matt@BOS

02-09-2013, 08:39 PM

All I remember is more torque, less cubes, smaller cam, less carb, lighter weight, pump gas... HP is just a number.:D

What does the LS engine in my Camaro have to do with this conversation. :lol:

Vegas69

02-09-2013, 08:47 PM

:thumbsup: :D :poke:

Flash68

02-09-2013, 11:18 PM

What does the LS engine in my Camaro have to do with this conversation. :lol:

Since when does an LS engine make decent torque? :peepwall:

Matt@BOS

02-10-2013, 10:50 AM

Since when does an LS engine make decent torque? :peepwall:

Define decent torque? The Camaro is running a very conservative, safe baseline tune for break in miles. I've been meaning to take it in for a better tune, but it has been so much fun as is that I haven't gotten around to it. The first and only full pass yet, it made 585/565 on a loaded chassis dyno. not bad, right? How much torque do you think it has at 3000rpm?

Flash68

02-10-2013, 11:28 AM

I only made that statement due to Todd's usual position that a motor is inadequate if doesn't make over 600 ft lbs at 3000 rpm. like his did... Or something like that. :lol:

Cris@JCG

02-10-2013, 11:55 AM

I can confirm that your new LS engine makes pretty damm good torque! Now if you can get the pass door to open.. :mock:

Define decent torque? The Camaro is running a very conservative, safe baseline tune for break in miles. I've been meaning to take it in for a better tune, but it has been so much fun as is that I haven't gotten around to it. The first and only full pass yet, it made 585/565 on a loaded chassis dyno. not bad, right? How much torque do you think it has at 3000rpm?

Matt@BOS

02-10-2013, 12:03 PM

I only made that statement due to Todd's usual position that a motor is inadequate if doesn't make over 600 ft lbs at 3000 rpm. like his did... Or something like that. :lol:

And like Todd, I was trying to make you guys say something so I could come back and talk about how much better my pile of junk is. :D

If you ran it on an engine dyno next to Rob's archaic monster, I bet it would make 600 ft-lbs at 3000. I don't have a print out, but I want to say it made 400 on the dyno at 2500rpm and 500 around 3000.

Cris, I have the inside door handle working again, so at least I have people can get out now, haha.

FETorino

02-10-2013, 09:03 PM

And like Todd, I was trying to make you guys say something so I could come back and talk about how much better my pile of junk is. :D

If you ran it on an engine dyno next to Rob's archaic monster, I bet it would make 600 ft-lbs at 3000. I don't have a print out, but I want to say it made 400 on the dyno at 2500rpm and 500 around 3000.

Cris, I have the inside door handle working again, so at least I have people can get out now, haha.

I believe you meant to say Vintage Jewel :action-smiley-027:

Glad to see all that GM advancement in technology in 40 years has allowed you to equal my motors output. :lmao:

:cheers:

GregWeld

02-10-2013, 09:29 PM

Glad to see all that GM advancement in technology in 40 years has allowed you to equal my motors output. :lmao:

:cheers:

OUCH.....

Matt@BOS

02-11-2013, 11:22 AM

I believe you meant to say Vintage Jewel :action-smiley-027:

Glad to see all that GM advancement in technology in 40 years has allowed you to equal my motors output. :lmao:

:cheers:

Let's have a chassis dyno day when your car is done! :)

Utterly pathetic of GM, isn't it! You have no idea how happy I was to spend 10k on the latest and greatest piece of Ford technology with overhead cams and variable valve timing and 8000rpm goodness which produces a whopping 444hp.

Vegas69

02-11-2013, 08:35 PM

Define decent torque? The Camaro is running a very conservative, safe baseline tune for break in miles. I've been meaning to take it in for a better tune, but it has been so much fun as is that I haven't gotten around to it. The first and only full pass yet, it made 585/565 on a loaded chassis dyno. not bad, right? How much torque do you think it has at 3000rpm?

That's damn solid for a little mouse. Cole and Dale are just jealous. They need nascar technology or 50 more cubes to have a sporting chance. :D

Flash68

02-11-2013, 11:56 PM

That's damn solid for a little mouse. Cole and Dale are just jealous. They need nascar technology or 50 more cubes to have a sporting chance. :D

Isn't this LS we are referring to a big stroked one? How many cubes again? I thought it was like 440+ or something?

Matt@BOS

02-12-2013, 10:25 AM

Isn't this LS we are referring to a big stroked one? How many cubes again? I thought it was like 440+ or something?

I was never a math or science person, so I prefer to round up or down to nice even numbers. In this case I just call it seven. :)

It is actually 454. I still have some experimenting left to do with it at some point though. I have the individual runner manifold I have slowly been buying little pieces for and when I eventually put that on I might switch to a bigger cam. In theory the two should offset each other and provide the same driveability but with more power throughout the entire range. Right now I don't want to mess with what is working though.

FETorino

02-13-2013, 11:36 PM

Let's have a chassis dyno day when your car is done! :)

Utterly pathetic of GM, isn't it! You have no idea how happy I was to spend 10k on the latest and greatest piece of Ford technology with overhead cams and variable valve timing and 8000rpm goodness which produces a whopping 444hp.

And how much power should a 302 street engine make :action-smiley-027:

Matt@BOS

02-14-2013, 08:44 AM

And how much power should a 302 street engine make :action-smiley-027:

You're right. I couldn't ask anything more, from a Ford. :rolleyes:

We just have to accept the fact that the mod motor probably wasn't originally designed with displacement or the need for obscene amounts of power in mind. They're making twice what they made 20 years ago.

I've been reading a little about the Cobra Jet engines, and those are damn impressive for such small displacement. Apparently a bigger bore and larger valves will do wonders for power. I keep having to remind myself that I bought a crate engine for oem reliability/driveability, because it is tempting to see what one of these could be built up to.

Flash68

02-14-2013, 10:12 AM

Apparently a bigger bore and larger valves will do wonders for power.

Amazing huh. Those redneck Nascar boys figured that one out I guess. :D

67zo6Camaro

02-14-2013, 11:14 AM

Nessumsar

02-14-2013, 11:27 AM

Dang, Matt. This just keeps on getting better and better. Keep it coming!

67XR7

02-24-2013, 08:54 PM

Congrats on your invite to OUSCI.

FETorino

02-24-2013, 09:54 PM

Congrats on your invite to OUSCI.

:thumbsup: Stoked for you :thumbsup:

Ron in SoCal

02-24-2013, 10:00 PM

:thumbsup: Stoked for you :thumbsup:

Congrats Matt!!!

So HAPPY for you Brother :thumbsup: :cheers:

Flash68

02-24-2013, 10:14 PM

And who said no more 69 Camaros allowed at OUSCI? :smiley_smack:

Now you got ALL YEAR to tear the car apart and make changes for November. :lol:

You the man... you the man. Congrats. :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS

02-24-2013, 11:45 PM

Thanks guys! The car felt really quick out on the autocross this weekend. I was trying to close the gap between myself and Brian and Bret at the top of the autocross leader board. I was stunned with how fast they were going. They were about a second quicker. :eek:

I was hoping all of my car money would go to the Mustang, but now it looks like the Camaro might be needing a few tweaks. It is pretty close to being dialed in the way I want it, so hopefully tires, maybe a slight wheel rehoop and a bigger rear bar should get the car pretty balanced. Then I just need to work on my driving game a little (okay, maybe a lot).

fleetus macmullitz

02-25-2013, 04:15 AM

Congrats Matt. :thumbsup:

chr2002ca

02-25-2013, 06:31 AM

Way to go Matt. :thumbsup:

ccracin

02-25-2013, 07:13 AM

Congrats Matt! That's something to be proud of! :thumbsup:

Tom.A

02-25-2013, 07:19 AM

Congrats on the invite.

WSSix

02-25-2013, 08:41 AM

Congrats! Just getting invited would be pretty awesome I think. Just enjoy being there regardless of how you end up doing though I do wish you well there too.

waynieZ

02-25-2013, 01:09 PM

Congratulation's Matt! I was just checking out some pictures of the weekend on Face Book.:thumbsup:

Matt@BOS

02-25-2013, 11:49 PM

Thanks again guys! I really should get back to posting Mustang stuff on here, but before I do, I need to give a shout out to Rob MacGregor and Mike Casti. A power steering cooler was on my list of things to do, but I figured I would be fine without one for the weekend. Turns out I was wrong. On the road course I managed blow the cap off the reservoir. Vintage Air Frontrunners use GM based pumps but don't use GM reservoirs. I went to the parts store, and nothing fit. Luckily Mike Casti, who is one of the coolest guys you will ever meet, (not to mention awesome car designer) bailed me out by lending me the cap off his '67 since he was just spectating for the day. I was just about to head back down to Best of Show to grab a cap and drive up at the end of the day, but Rob volunteered to grab one from his shop and bring it back Sunday morning. I probably would have been a walking zombie Sunday if I had had to drive down and back Saturday night.

GregWeld

02-26-2013, 06:22 AM

That's what I love about car people!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I congratulated you in the RTTC thread -- but will do it again here!

WAY TO GO MATT MAN!!!

Gordz32

02-26-2013, 09:26 AM

Congrats Matt on getting the purple people eater in to ousci. I might actually make it there this year.

dunnjun

02-26-2013, 05:40 PM

Congratulations Matt on the Optima invite! Well deserved :cheers:
You and the car were really dialed in, and just think how much more dialed you'll be by the time November gets here! :guns:
Thanks for the rides! :wow: :wow: :wow: You were flying!

Matt@BOS

02-27-2013, 09:34 AM

Congrats Matt on getting the purple people eater in to ousci. I might actually make it there this year.

Thanks Chris! Hope you make it down to Vegas this year. It has been a few years, hasn't it. At least a few beers are in order.

Congratulations Matt on the Optima invite! Well deserved
You and the car were really dialed in, and just think how much more dialed you'll be by the time November gets here!
Thanks for the rides! You were flying!

Karl you're welcome to hop in the passenger seat any time. Glad you picked up the Challenger so I'm no longer alone in the purple car club. I wish the brake lines had held up so you could have had fun driving all weekend. Somehow I have a feeling I will be seeing you and Blue in November!

Matt

67zo6Camaro

02-27-2013, 09:47 AM

As everyone has pointed out.... and I did at RTTC..... Well deserved Matt. You got a pretty cool Resume going for the 69. 2009 Sema invite, then a GM design award. Some time passes and you have been getting seat time driving, and getting faster and faster. Now an Optima invite. Great Job.

I can't wait to see what this 65 Fastback project may bring as it's build unfolds. It should bring several other feathers for your automotive cap.

Cheers to you.

Gordz32

02-28-2013, 08:38 PM

Thanks Chris! Hope you make it down to Vegas this year. It has been a few years, hasn't it. At least a few beers are in order.

Matt

Absolutely!

Tomswheels

03-09-2013, 06:39 PM

Matt@BOS

03-10-2013, 10:20 AM

Matt, can't believe I missed this one until now... My 3600 lb car with its stock coyote is going to look like me running compared to this, obviously I love the motor choice, and the suspension choices (I had a 65 coupe planned with this DSE/Meier setup), and the body mods! Can't wait for a ride!

You're welcome to ride shotgun anytime, but I'm not making any promises that it will be fast when it gets done.

I got a wheel to test fit this week. It is an 18x10 with an old 275 going on it for mock up and to figure out how much I need to move the front wheel opening forward. The finished wheels will have titanium hardware and maybe a brushed or brushed nickel finish on the outers. Even unfinished I'm pretty happy with the looks. I contemplated getting a set of Forgelines or CCWs, (and might for track wheels/tires) but don't think they will ever come close to looking at home on the fastback like the Lites will.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0871_zps3ce5d9a6.jpg

Matt

94snglturbo

03-20-2013, 06:23 AM

Matt@BOS

03-20-2013, 03:33 PM

car is looking good. those are nice rims.. you should be able to fit a bigger tire then that on your car.. i have a 19x10 going on my 65 fastback and i am tubed to the frame and my tire is a 285-35-19.. on my iforged wheels

Thanks! I am looking at putting a 285 on that wheel and either a 295 or 315 on an 18x11 on the back. The car is going to be a bit nose heavy so I am going to try and keep the tires as close to square as possible to simplify tuning and balancing the car. With only 500hp I don't need a huge 335 out back.

67XR7

03-24-2013, 01:06 PM

You should be real happy when done, Kyle took me for a ride in the DSE mustang yesterday and I had a blast.

I looked at those mini-lites but could never get to the bottom of the whole new gen fiasco, but they are in your backyard.

those mini's should look pretty sick on the FB.

tones2SS

03-25-2013, 05:07 PM

but don't think they will ever come close to looking at home on the fastback like the Lites will.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0871_zps3ce5d9a6.jpg

Matt

I will agree with that Matt. They look great.

rtwind

03-31-2013, 12:04 AM

Awesome Stang!!!

64pontiac

03-31-2013, 11:39 AM

Nice build Matt! Looking great, can't believe I didnt got through this one before. Spent the last 30 min catching up....now get to work! We are doing a 65 right now too, so hurry up and get yours all sorted out so we can learn from it!

214Chevy

03-31-2013, 01:08 PM

Matt, that wheel is sick!!:trophy-1302: Either this one you've pictured or Forgeline's will be banana's on the ride. CCW's are okay too, but not as nice as this wheel or Forgeline's.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0871_zps3ce5d9a6.jpg

390 S code

04-02-2013, 04:50 AM

Hey Matt can you give some info on those minilite style wheels , i am chasing exactly that style for my 67 Fastback. Very hard to find down in Australia .

64pontiac

04-02-2013, 06:17 AM

I "THINK" those were NewGen Lites....... I could be wrong? Probably can't get those anymore! Unless whoever was cutting them could crank out a set........

Matt@BOS

04-02-2013, 08:19 AM

Hey Matt can you give some info on those minilite style wheels , i am chasing exactly that style for my 67 Fastback. Very hard to find down in Australia .

Tyler is right, they are New Gen Wheels.

ironworks

04-02-2013, 09:43 AM

Hey Matt can you give some info on those minilite style wheels , i am chasing exactly that style for my 67 Fastback. Very hard to find down in Australia .

Not the Hijack the thread. But here is a set of Mini Lite style wheels that are made by Gripp Equipped. They are even more traditional looking. Email or Pm me for some pricing if needed.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Fairway%20Chevrolet%201970%20Chevelle/3-29-2013006.jpg

Matt@BOS

04-02-2013, 09:50 AM

Not the Hijack the thread. But here is a set of Mini Lite style wheels that are made by Gripp Equipped. They are even more traditional looking. Email or Pm me for some pricing if needed.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Fairway%20Chevrolet%201970%20Chevelle/3-29-2013006.jpg

No worries Rodger. I could never really warm up to them with the flat machined faces because I thought they just looked like Mini Cooper wheels, but in all grey, thems be some kick ass looking wheels! :thumbsup:

Tomswheels

04-02-2013, 07:55 PM

Matt, thanks for showing me the Mustang last week, it's coming along very nicely! Now can't wait for a ride....:headspin:

Matt@BOS

04-15-2013, 10:30 PM

Sorry for the crappy cell phone photos, but...

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0916_zps10430398.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0916_zps10430398.jpg.html)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0920_zpsc6778b14.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0920_zpsc6778b14.jpg.html)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0918_zpsab2439ed.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0918_zpsab2439ed.jpg.html)

The car is sitting on the ground for the first time in maybe 10 years! I also need to get another phone, so maybe picture quality will go up soon as well. I suppose I could actually use the real camera, but then I'd have to get them off the card, and... you know.

Vince@Meanstreets

04-16-2013, 12:29 AM

looks good, can't wait to see this one done....say, you did take the phone out of the wrapper right? :D

waynieZ

04-16-2013, 12:47 AM

LOL Its looking great Matt, those wheels look lost under those rear quarters. Nice work.

fleetus macmullitz

04-16-2013, 06:16 AM

Carry on Matt...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7321/mb3uy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/mb3uy.jpg/)

chr2002ca

04-16-2013, 07:47 AM

Coming along very nicely Matt. A subtle wide body. Slick! :thumbsup:

DOOM

04-16-2013, 10:46 AM

Matt shoot me a PM we need to talk about some color for this bad boy!!:popcorn2:

GregWeld

04-16-2013, 07:54 PM

Them ol' Mustangs ain't too bad are they.....

You're right... crappy photos! Kool Kar!

Matt@BOS

04-16-2013, 08:03 PM

Them ol' Mustangs ain't too bad are they.....

You're right... crappy photos! Kool Kar!

I know, I know. I haven't gotten the DSLR out for at least a year.

And, sadly I am behind the times. I'm probably going to go buy an iPhone with a fancy gazillion megapixel camera, and that should provide better pictures until I scratch the lens up on that too. I don't feel bad about being the last person on earth to buy one, but I will have to come to terms with the fact that you could probably teach me how to use it.

GregWeld

04-16-2013, 08:21 PM

I know, I know. I haven't gotten the DSLR out for at least a year.

And, sadly I am behind the times. I'm probably going to go buy an iPhone with a fancy gazillion megapixel camera, and that should provide better pictures until I scratch the lens up on that too. I don't feel bad about being the last person on earth to buy one, but I will have to come to terms with the fact that you could probably teach me how to use it.

An iPhone is so complicated it doesn't even come with instructions.... if you want a messed up pile of buttons - buy a Windows 8 phone... My friend who is a salesperson for the pile -- can't even use it! HAHAHAHA....

You'll love the new "smart phone". They just work.

Matt@BOS

04-16-2013, 08:36 PM

An iPhone is so complicated it doesn't even come with instructions.... if you want a messed up pile of buttons - buy a Windows 8 phone... My friend who is a salesperson for the pile -- can't even use it! HAHAHAHA....

You'll love the new "smart phone". They just work.

Despite a few of the tools that I've used to work on the Mustang, I'm not actually actually a cave man or luddite. I do have a smart phone (one with Google's OS) it is just getting a little old. Oh, and not to get off topic at all, but I hate Windows 8. I tried one one of their laptop/netbook computers with the touch screen, and the whole user interface seemed simple at first, kind of like a smart phone with lots of rectangular buttons on the screen, however if whatever you were looking for wasn't accessed by a big icon, good luck finding it.

GregWeld

04-16-2013, 08:44 PM

I think there are HUGE layoffs coming over in Redmond.... Sales just have to be HORRIBLE.

:topic: :topic:

Matt@BOS

04-18-2013, 11:19 PM

Back on topic. Now that the car has been on the lift, I've been able to make some more good progress on it. I got the engine in yesterday, and spent today cutting out the transmission tunnel to make space for the massive TR6060. Then it is on to making a transmission cross member.

Engine with coil cover:

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0922_zps6159aff7.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0922_zps6159aff7.jpg.html)

without coil cover:
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0923_zps601e0430.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0923_zps601e0430.jpg.html)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0924_zpsdbb4a4f7.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0924_zpsdbb4a4f7.jpg.html)

FETorino

04-19-2013, 12:22 AM

Great pictures Matt :rolleyes:

GrabberGT

04-19-2013, 06:15 AM

Looks great! Did you alter the motor mounts? The motor appears to be set in deeper than other installs I've seen. They seem to mount the motor high giving it a high center of gravity.

DOOM

04-19-2013, 06:28 AM

And they said it couldn't be done!!!! How cool is that!!

Flash68

04-19-2013, 10:37 AM

Great pictures Matt :rolleyes:

Man this guy is getting grumpy... not even supportive of his fellow Furd owners.

:lostmarbles:

Matt@BOS

04-19-2013, 04:54 PM

Great pictures Matt :rolleyes:

I like to make sure my piles of junk look better in person.

And they said it couldn't be done!!!! How cool is that!!

Looks great! Did you alter the motor mounts? The motor appears to be set in deeper than other installs I've seen. They seem to mount the motor high giving it a high center of gravity.

Yeah, it pretty much just dropped in there and balances on its own. There are four 1/4" spacers that are provided and I used all of them so that the oil pan would be able to clear the K member. If it had a different pan I could probably drop the engine down a bit. As for engine set back, I haven't done anything. It should be in exactly the same position as the engine in their test car. Speaking of which, I got to ride in their test car with Kyle when they came out to Del Mar. It is a fun little car, that revs to 8250, and that is where the engine spent most of its time! It handles well enough I'm not too worried about changing the pan to lower the center of gravity. Besides, if I lowered the engine, the transmission would be hanging down quite a bit.

Ron in SoCal

04-19-2013, 05:21 PM

Great pictures Matt :rolleyes:

In Psych class they called that a defense mechanisim. On LATG we call that 'deflection' :lol:

Looks fantastic Matt! :thumbsup:

Gordz32

04-19-2013, 05:23 PM

Lookin good Matt. The engine looks nice in its new home.

waynieZ

04-19-2013, 05:49 PM

Way to go Matt! That looks slick!!

EvoIX

04-20-2013, 04:09 PM

That's a sexy motor in there

67XR7

04-21-2013, 11:54 AM

you decide on how you want to do the tower deletes? weld or bolt in?

Cant decide on mine. part of me says: weld it, and make them look clean and flush.

Other part says: bolt them in. so once i go mod motor , i can remove panels to get to difficult bolts etc.

Matt@BOS

04-21-2013, 12:29 PM

CoffeeTalkJoe

04-24-2013, 01:03 PM

Awesome...............Can't wait to see the end product!!!

tones2SS

04-24-2013, 05:26 PM

Looks great Matt. I like it better with the coil covers. Maybe because of the blue? Either way, looks great.
Love the Boss intake.:thumbsup:

Matt@BOS

04-24-2013, 10:31 PM

Thanks everyone for the encouraging words!

Since the last update I've been busy fitting the transmission, which has led me to cut up all kinds of stuff. I started out trying to make a transmission tunnel, and then realized I needed to have the trans crossmember in to make sure it all fits, but then I realized I couldn't do that until I made sure that the transmission tunnel cleared the seats so I had to put the seats in and those wouldn't fit without a little clearance(ing) and making custom mounting brackets and modifications to the seat pans. What was I trying to accomplish again? :hairpullout:

Oh and I got a box of parts from the Ring Brothers, they make top notch stuff for sure!

waynieZ

04-24-2013, 11:22 PM

You'll get it Matt look at all you acomplished already.

coolwelder62

04-25-2013, 05:26 AM

Pretty Cool.:thumbsup: Wouldn't mind havin a fastback mustang for my self.

GrabberGT

04-25-2013, 05:34 AM

67XR7

04-25-2013, 11:30 AM

not to rub it in but a TKO would have been a Waaay easier fit! just say'n

Matt@BOS

04-25-2013, 12:25 PM

not to rub it in but a TKO would have been a Waaay easier fit! just say'n

No worries. I'd rather complain about my TR6060 than toss in a TKO lol. The way I have the drivetrain positioned and pedals set, it would be hard to reach the shifter on the TKO. Oh and I plan on some shifts at close to 8k rpm. I don't think TKOs are good at that.

Flash68

04-25-2013, 03:46 PM

not to rub it in but a TKO would have been a Waaay easier fit! just say'n

The TKO is not the trans you hook up to that motor. That lesson has been learned by many already.

67XR7

04-26-2013, 11:56 AM

No worries. I'd rather complain about my TR6060 than toss in a TKO lol. The way I have the drivetrain positioned and pedals set, it would be hard to reach the shifter on the TKO. Oh and I plan on some shifts at close to 8k rpm. I don't think TKOs are good at that.

For some reason I was thinking you were installing the stock tranny, that Mt82 or whatever it is. After about 2003 I havent been able to keep track of what POS ford has been using for a gear box.

Matt@BOS

04-26-2013, 02:47 PM

For some reason I was thinking you were installing the stock tranny, that Mt82 or whatever it is. After about 2003 I havent been able to keep track of what POS ford has been using for a gear box.

The MT82 seems to garner a lot of horror stories around the internet. Generally I tend to think most reported issues are blown out of proportion since, well... we're talking about issues reported on the internet. However, I've also learned that I'm good at blowing things up, and the TR6060 has worked perfectly in my Shelby, so it seemed like a logical choice, not to mention the fact that I had one sitting on a pallet.

Matt@BOS

04-26-2013, 06:38 PM

Ron in SoCal

04-26-2013, 06:55 PM

Rhetorical question: how many ITB intakes can you fit on your shelf Matt :D

Track Junky

04-26-2013, 09:08 PM

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/IMAG0924_zpsdbb4a4f7.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/IMAG0924_zpsdbb4a4f7.jpg.html)

Awesome choice. Motor looks right at home. :thumbsup:

Rols574

04-27-2013, 04:43 AM

The TKO is not the trans you hook up to that motor. That lesson has been learned by many already.

I'd like to hear more about this

57hemicuda

04-27-2013, 05:18 AM

Its funny, I terrorized that TKO in my Mustang with no problems, even behind the 700hp LS7 it never gave me any issues. The only thing I noticed is when it was extremely hot (VIR on a 110 degree day hot) you had to be sure to make positive shifts especially in 3rd gear. As long as you knew that, it worked great, I think with some sort of cooler even that wouldn't be an issue.

67XR7

04-27-2013, 08:11 AM

must... not... buy:

http://www.eightstack.com/coyote02.png

Ah, who am I kidding, I still need to purchase a gazillion other parts, and I know there won't be any "leftover" money for this. But maybe... :lol:

left over money?
"TR6060 has worked perfectly in my Shelby, so it seemed like a logical choice, not to mention the fact that I had one sitting on a pallet."
coming from the guy who just also happens to have a Shelby and 6 spd transmissions just laying around :rolleyes:
BUY IT! LOL

John510

04-27-2013, 10:07 AM

Rhetorical question: how many ITB intakes can you fit on your shelf Matt :D

I agree. Get the intake!!!! It would look so bad ass on this car.

craig510

04-27-2013, 02:33 PM

Nothing is cooler than 4 webers, but by the time you add air filters to make it a real driver you will hardly be able to see the "stacks". Personally, I think the V8's on the throttle bodies are overly cheesy. If you can't tell that is a V8, you are at the wrong place. IMHO the boss intake looks great. It is real OEM performance and flat works. It will probably save several pounds over the aftermarket stuff and can use a real air filter. Plus if you need spares, any ford dealer in the nation can have part in a day or two.

WSSix

04-27-2013, 07:49 PM

I love individual throttle bodies but they don't flow aesthetics wise on this engine. Well, I think they could work and look good but you'd definitely have to dress up other areas. Maybe the picture showing the stock, read ugly, valve covers is what's ruining it for me and making them look so out of place. For now, I say keep the stock intake. Clean and well organized beats shiny and overly dressed up any day for me.

Keep up the good work, Matt. The car's coming along nicely.

Flash68

04-27-2013, 11:12 PM

I'd like to hear more about this

Many many stories of issues with high rpm shifting. So depending on your usage it may not be the best choice.

Al Moreno

04-28-2013, 07:31 AM

Flash68

06-23-2013, 09:32 PM

A guy gets an Optima invite with the Camaro and neglects the poor little Fjord? :sieg:

Vince@Meanstreets

06-23-2013, 10:20 PM

left over money?
"TR6060 has worked perfectly in my Shelby, so it seemed like a logical choice, not to mention the fact that I had one sitting on a pallet."
coming from the guy who just also happens to have a Shelby and 6 spd transmissions just laying around :rolleyes:
BUY IT! LOL

im with him, do it do it :thumbsup:

Matt@BOS

06-23-2013, 10:52 PM

Good going Vince, you just had to bring this back to bug me about buying those parts, didn't you?

No go on the manifold. Decided to spend money elsewhere. $$ have been diverted to buying more Camaro parts. There was that part of me that said I should be more responsible, and leave the finished car alone, and also not buy parts to replace perfectly functioning parts on a Mustang that I don't have anywhere close to running, but there was no significant other to put her foot down and tell me not to, and since the Camaro and I get to go to Optima I figured it was now or never to see how fast I could get both the car and myself. I'm happy just to go, but apparently I'm more competitive than I previously thought, because I would like to finish the event knowing There wasn't anything more left in the car or driver.

Matt

Flash68

06-23-2013, 10:55 PM

Wow. You are not d!ckin around!! :RunninDog:

Matt@BOS

06-23-2013, 11:51 PM

Wow. You are not d!ckin around!! :RunninDog:

It scares me Dave. I am becoming worse than Todd. I even have black nitrile gloves that I put on to remove and change parts now. Even worse is the fact that I know have more springs and sway bars than Ron.

Basically, I can't overcome the push in the Camaro to the point that I'm happy. It is plenty fast, don't get me wrong. I've come in second fastest behind Maier and Hobaugh at the last two SoCal Challenge events, but the car isn't easy to drive. It has absurd power but in order to use that power I need tune the car to be a bit tight, and I give up a lot of time on corner entry in 90 degree or tighter turns. At the end of the I just caved and bought wider fiberglass fenders so that I can run a 295 or 315 front tire. Now I have to repaint half the car because Dick and the BOS boys don't want some ****ty looking purple car with their name on it rolling up to SEMA with unpainted black gelcoat fenders.

Vince@Meanstreets

06-24-2013, 02:06 AM

fleetus macmullitz

06-24-2013, 04:45 AM

Now I have to repaint half the car because Dick and the BOS boys don't want some ****ty looking purple car with their name on it rolling up to SEMA with unpainted black gelcoat fenders.

It seems like a reasonable request from your metalshaping mentors.:unibrow:

Al Moreno

06-24-2013, 05:51 AM

Matt I guess they are right when they say there never done, LOL. Congrats on the invite!

Matt@BOS

06-24-2013, 09:02 AM

It seems like a reasonable request from your metalshaping mentors.:unibrow:

Reasonable idea, yes. I suppose even the cost is reasonable. Like James Shipka once said though, its our ideas that get expensive. I want to see how the parts fit, and how closely we can match the paint after having to switch to water based. If both are acceptably close for something that isn't a show car, then I'd prefer to just paint the fenders. That way, in case I want to put the old ones back I don't have to repaint half the car again...

Matt@BOS

06-24-2013, 09:03 AM

Matt I guess they are right when they say there never done, LOL. Congrats on the invite!

They are never done. We have a joke about how if you want it to turn out nice you have to do it twice.

06-24-2013, 10:18 AM

It scares me Dave. I am becoming worse than Todd. I even have black nitrile gloves that I put on to remove and change parts now. Even worse is the fact that I know have more springs and sway bars than Ron.

Basically, I can't overcome the push in the Camaro to the point that I'm happy. It is plenty fast, don't get me wrong. I've come in second fastest behind Maier and Hobaugh at the last two SoCal Challenge events, but the car isn't easy to drive. It has absurd power but in order to use that power I need tune the car to be a bit tight, and I give up a lot of time on corner entry in 90 degree or tighter turns. At the end of the I just caved and bought wider fiberglass fenders so that I can run a 295 or 315 front tire. Now I have to repaint half the car because Dick and the BOS boys don't want some ****ty looking purple car with their name on it rolling up to SEMA with unpainted black gelcoat fenders.

Matt,
Did the Bos guys want you to go fiberglass? I assume you would have a cleaner look with reshaping new metal re-pops... I'm sure it will look good either way.

Matt@BOS

06-24-2013, 08:12 PM

Matt,
Did the Bos guys want you to go fiberglass? I assume you would have a cleaner look with reshaping new metal re-pops... I'm sure it will look good either way.

I actually bought the widened fenders last Monday morning before going in to the shop, so I didn't tell any of them. :lol: I bought the Anvil ones which are widened about 1.25" I think. I might trim the inside lip up a little more if possible to get 1.5" of total increased clearance. Anvil always makes a pretty good fitting part, usually better than repop sheet metal. Fixing and modifying repop metal might yield the best looking end result, since composites with heat and stress seem prone to "moving" a little bit. However, the sheer amount of time involved in fabricating metal fenders was a big deterrent. For my intended purpose for the car, shedding some weight, (probably 40-50lbs) was also a plus. The BOS paint crew will get them looking nice, and I think they will probably stay looking nice since we're not working with old or repaired fiberglass.

Matt

James OLC

06-24-2013, 08:19 PM

Reasonable idea, yes. I suppose even the cost is reasonable. Like James Shipka once said though, its our ideas that get expensive. I want to see how the parts fit, and how closely we can match the paint after having to switch to water based. If both are acceptably close for something that isn't a show car, then I'd prefer to just paint the fenders. That way, in case I want to put the old ones back I don't have to repaint half the car again...

LOL - I've had a dozen boxes show up this week that support that! Great work Matt - cant wait to see it together!

Matt@BOS

06-24-2013, 08:38 PM

LOL - I've had a dozen boxes show up this week that support that! Great work Matt - cant wait to see it together!

You better fill us in on what you're up to sometime soon. I saw a picture of a big crate show up, but that is only one box.

FETorino

06-24-2013, 09:42 PM

I thought this was a Mustang build thread :wrongforum:

How about some Fastback updates.. You have to have some grainy pictures of something.:thankyou:

preston

06-25-2013, 08:17 AM

shedding some weight, (probably 40-50lbs)

I'd be very interested in seeing real world weights on the CF and the metal fenders. I'm more familiar with Mustang fenders than Camaro fenders, but my inclination is to think the weight savings won't be as large as that, but I might be wrong.

garickman

06-25-2013, 08:39 AM

I'd be very interested in seeing real world weights on the CF and the metal fenders. I'm more familiar with Mustang fenders than Camaro fenders, but my inclination is to think the weight savings won't be as large as that, but I might be wrong.

I don't know about camaro or mustang fenders but there is a guy on yellow bullet who just made some carbon fiber fenders for a 70-73 firebird. I could see shedding 40-50 pounds if it is true as to what he said.

"First, the good stuff. Pics and video of the finished fenders. Fenders are meant to bolt into the stock locations using stock mounting hardware. These are some BIG ASS fenders, but came out weighing just 9.1 pounds each. The stock fenders are 33.4 pounds each, for a savings of 24.3 pounds each and almost 50 pounds altogether!!! They could have been even lighter if not for the fact that the customer wanted them to appear stock and bolt into the stock locations."

preston

06-25-2013, 09:01 AM

Yeah a couple factors get involved - were these vacuum bagged parts specifically built to be lightweight ? and how thick and durable were the final parts ? (BTW did he say what they cost ?)

The few times I've seen weights on Anvil stuff it was light but not exceptionally so (because they build OEM style quality for one thing).

LIke I said I know Mustang fenders best, about 25 lbs apiece (and a little lighter when I'd done with them) on the early cars. The FG versions are 15 lbs, and I seem to remember the Anvils were around 12 lbs. Maybe they are a lot lighter than that, but I think Paul Brown's SN95 vacuum bagged built for lightness fenders were 4 lbs apiece, so that is about hte lower limit there, and I know Anvil's weigh more than that.

Anyway not trying to start a kefuffle or anything, I'm just riffing off of my own attempts to save weight it was very difficult to justify $1500+ pair of fenders that I can't repair to save 20 lbs, and I'm very curious to get real world weights on stuff.

Vince@Meanstreets

06-26-2013, 10:17 AM

realistically, $75 a pound isn't a stretch in the racing world and most times just off setting for safety equipment.

Sieg

06-27-2013, 03:17 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1044582_548958658503605_1829389250_n.jpg

:popcorn2:

:underchair:

Matt@BOS

06-27-2013, 07:29 PM

They say no good deed goes unpunished. Good deed number 1: I went to our alignment shop so that Gregg could take the Falken tires off of my Camaro and put them on his before he leaves for his road trip. Good deed number 2: Dick lends me his truck to run over a valve stem cap and hit the gate at the alignment shop.... Then I had to go to the bank. So yeah, technically it is all Gregg's fault. :rolleyes:

Gotta keep the paint shop busy.

Sieg

06-27-2013, 07:35 PM

Gotta keep the paint shop busy.
:thumbsup:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Matt@BOS

06-27-2013, 07:40 PM

:thumbsup:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

Dick and Jon thank you. They said that it was something they would do if they knew how to post on the forum.

waynieZ

06-27-2013, 07:56 PM

I saw it on facebook so I was going to ask who's truck you used to go for the parts. Shew ! glad I didn't have to be the first one to mention it. :D

Vegas69

06-27-2013, 08:54 PM

Nice driving ACE. :D

Bryce

06-28-2013, 03:15 PM

you can hit the cones but avoid the metal things.

Matt@BOS

08-20-2013, 09:40 PM

Nice driving ACE. :D

Ok, since the professionals have been doing the majority of the work getting the front end of my Camaro painted, I broke out the filler and body worked the hood and engine compartment on the little fastback. I thought I would fill a few holes, hammer out some dents and and it would be ready for primer. WRONG. I sanded and sanded and Jesus, BOS's painter had to clean up after me. I was going for a factory look, nothing overtly custom, and I think we pulled that off.

It might not look like much without and engine, but it was a ton of work.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zpsf3e7ab60.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zpsf3e7ab60.jpg.html)

DOOM

08-21-2013, 06:18 AM

Matt I'm tired just looking at it! :D

ironworks

08-21-2013, 06:25 AM

Ok, since the professionals have been doing the majority of the work getting the front end of my Camaro painted, I broke out the filler and body worked the hood and engine compartment on the little fastback. I thought I would fill a few holes, hammer out some dents and and it would be ready for primer. WRONG. I sanded and sanded and Jesus, BOS's painter had to clean up after me. I was going for a factory look, nothing overtly custom, and I think we pulled that off.

It might not look like much without and engine, but it was a ton of work.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zpsf3e7ab60.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zpsf3e7ab60.jpg.html)

So what you have learned is that this car building thing is hard work.

Matt@BOS

08-21-2013, 06:46 AM

So what you have learned is that this car building thing is hard work.

I knew it was hard work. I always thought things took twice as long as you thought they were going to take, but then if I realized that applies to skilled and experienced people, and if I added my hours up I realized most things take me four times as long as I thought. :rofl:

chr2002ca

08-21-2013, 06:59 AM

Yep, bodywork takes friggin forever. My family put me on suicide watch while I was doing mine on my car. Never again! :lol: Congrats on the continued progress Matt.

waynieZ

08-21-2013, 08:49 AM

It looks nice Matt, atleast you can say you did it.

Matt@BOS

08-21-2013, 05:05 PM

Yep, bodywork takes friggin forever. My family put me on suicide watch while I was doing mine on my car. Never again! :lol: Congrats on the continued progress Matt.

I'm lucky i have someone to clean up after me, because getting it perfect would probably kill me. I don't know how you did with little to no background. By the way Chris, how is the car running I want to check it out and hear it sometime!

Flash68

08-21-2013, 06:12 PM

Not too shabby for a Camaro guy.

Matt@BOS

10-05-2013, 01:15 PM

Hey guys, I have pictures to post, and they're not old recycled ones like Rob has, they're new ones, and they aren't of hubs with yellow lug nuts or aluminum blocks with iron heads either. :lol:

After doing all of the body work on the engine compartment I started mocking everything up so that I could start fabricating some bracing/tubing that will be used to attach stuff to. Part of the idea behind the car has been to draw on some of the cool original design elements of the early Mustangs and Shelbys and change and or update them without creating a contemporary looking custom build that feels "new." I hope that makes some sense. In keeping with that theme I wanted to add engine bay bracing that was reminiscent of the old shock tower - to - firewall and "monte carlo" bars that the original cars had. And yes, before anyone says it, I clearly sacrificed some function with that huge bend in the monte carlo bar, but the air for the engine has to come from somewhere.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zps7b0e1d51.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zps7b0e1d51.jpg.html)
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zps9cea04cb.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zps9cea04cb.jpg.html)

After building all of the bracing I was hoping to move away from more little body and fab projects, it is really easy to come up with simple little ideas that turn into small but time consuming projects.

One of the projects at BOS right now is a twin turbo 67 Mustang that arrived with the typical Eleanor body kit. It has been undergoing a transformation of sorts, and one of my ideas was to get rid of the quarter window scoops and replace them with fuel and oil fillers since the car is running a dry sump in the back and a 35 gallon fuel cell that is so tall it can only be fed from the sail panel. The owner wanted to retain the original Shelby quarter scoops though, so I started playing around with the idea on my car.

Here is what unfolded. The initial version was the most simplistic and was a straight recessed panel, but that left too much empty space that needed to be filled with something. Since I've always one of the more iconic features on the fastback were its louvers I decided to try and add some. After playing with spacing, and the inclusion of the racing style filler that appeared on the Cobra, this is what I ended up with.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zps524dcff5.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zps524dcff5.jpg.html)
http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zps89423b28.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6

I still wasn't quite happy with it though because the filler still looked tacked on so I decided to recess it with notches around the hinges so it looked more like it belonged.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zpsbed17f18.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zpsbed17f18.jpg.html)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zpsc8839cc3.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zpsc8839cc3.jpg.html)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zps087153be.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zps087153be.jpg.html)

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/image_zps317a12c6.jpg (http://s366.photobucket.com/user/69MSA/media/image_zps317a12c6.jpg.html)

Now to figure out how to make a little stainless trim ring that matches with drip rail moldings...