American Motors Xperimental full frame

[57hemicuda]

Had this 69 AMX kind of fall into my lap, probably wasn't something I would have gone out and bought but it's now starting to grow on me. My impressions of these cars was that they looked like a Gasser, rear axle was way forward. A real wheelstander, not so much a handler. The body was very nice, kinda broke my heart to butcher it the way I did.

I desided to alter the wheelbase, adding 6" to the rear and about an inch to the front, taking the wheelbase from 97" to 104". I gutted the car, built a new chassis, installed a cage, and after the first of the year will start on the floors and the sheet metal.

The car will be LS powered, with
a Magnum 6 speed , C6 stuff up front with a torque armed Dana 60 inthe rear with a Watts link.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-2Qcq8GK/0/L/DSC00090-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-4ZMxFFC/0/L/DSC00135-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-FnRsDK7/0/L/DSC00169-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-KL8GWjB/0/L/DSC00175-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-5W5bqhL/0/L/DSC00195-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-XzXxLPs/0/L/amx-6-L.jpg

[57hemicuda]

Forgot my favorite part about the car, the chassis is underslung and it will run 335's on all 4 corners, I will be able to rotate the tires.LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rg3BBqw/0/L/RonsAMX122220122-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-WGmFqWW/0/L/RonsAMX122220123-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-4kDrzHJ/0/L/RonsAMX122220128-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-n4CW7Bq/0/L/ammx-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron S,Thank's For sharing over here on Lateral-g.I have been watching over on Protouring.This is going to be a cool build.:thumbsup:

[KSBRKTRACER]

Very cool build , cant wait to see this one come together !

[Spiffav8]

:faint:

Please keep posting.

[DETON8R]

[QUOTE=57hemicuda;386214]Forgot my favorite part about the car, the chassis is underslung and it will run 335's on all 4 corners, I will be able to rotate the tires.LOL

I hate to sound like a noobie, BUT... What are the advantages to an underslung chassis setup? I get the basics of this kind of geometry change for an underslung rear end set up. Ride height advantages, bigger tires, lower center of gravity, etc... I also realize that this set up needs a higher frame rail (or notched frame rail) to accommodate the rear end travel due to the fact it is located in a higher/taller than stock location. Not really an issue when a custom chassis is going in.

What is the hub-to-hub track width? And how much room does that give you for the engine between the frame rails?

335 all around? Bet your car will stick wherever you put it. Sick, really, really SICK!!

BTW, I love seeing these kinds of builds, especially when the the floor is gutted, replacement frame is tucked under the body and the wheelbase/stance gets adjusted for looks and handling gains.

[57hemicuda]

The only real adjantage I see to the underslug setup is the fact that the bottom of the car can be completely flat, and you can keep the the frame weight down as low as you can. All the suspension mounts will be on the cage, which is still in the works. I see no need to notch any frame rails? but the upper portion of the cage is going to be fairly busy with tubing.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-t9qLfMC/0/L/DSC00192-L.jpg


http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-kdbFRcS/0/L/Rons-AMX-12-20-11-28-L.jpg


http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-FjcQMtP/0/L/Rons-AMX-12-24-11-3-L.jpg

[radrambler]

So
explain how your going to make the quarters and fenders work please?
Ya cut the crap outa those qtr panels.. :lol:
Im gonna be watching this one !!

Tom

[Flash68]

Man this is gonna be a killer. Thanks for posting over here on the other forum, Ron. :lol: :thumbsup:

[R.A.D]

got the eyeball on this one

[57hemicuda]

So
explain how your going to make the quarters and fenders work please?
Ya cut the crap outa those qtr panels.. :lol:
Im gonna be watching this one !!

Tom

As you can see, the tire coverages issues aren't near as bad as my Mustang. I will probably cut the quarter the rest of the way off, shape it, and weld it back on. There will be some tire skirting on the rear especially, but they will both have to be flared some. Can't wait to get to that part of the build, don't know why, but I love doing that part of the build. The body work, after the metal work (not my favorite). Started the X bracing behind the watts link, really getting busy looking.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-jvcnWFb/0/L/DSC00190-L.jpg

http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-fhMbbZm/0/L/Rons-AMX-12-24-11-L.jpg

[56pickup]

Ron thanks for posting it over hear! Once again killer build! Can not wait to see this thing done!:thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

What is the hub-to-hub track width? And how much room does that give you for the engine between the frame rails?.

Track width is 62" in the front 61" in the rear plenty of engine room, at full lock tires rub nothing.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-VvpTnR4/0/L/DSC00160-L.jpg


http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-XXGJJDF/0/L/DSC00167-L.jpg

[tones2SS]

Wow. Those rear tires look great back there!
Great set-up.

[57hemicuda]

Got the X bracing finished, still gets a bottom bar, turned out retty good. Door bars are next, then I get to start shaping the quarters.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-x84D4C9/0/L/013-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-cX2ngRt/0/L/012-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-t3fbhgs/0/L/015-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron,Lookin great.:thumbsup:

[Cris@JCG]

Ron- Very cool project! I will be following it till the end.. :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Cage is just about done, pulled the body off to finish the welding, still has all the front bars to put in. Can't put front in until firewall is built.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-6wcp47P/1/L/024amx-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-mgQ4C9n/0/L/025amx-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rqBqPgH/1/L/010-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-J2RTnWv/0/L/006amx-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-K2vwzFz/0/L/008-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron,The cage is lookin real good.:thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

A few more pics

http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-RBbjxc5/0/L/Rons-AMX-1-3-12-25-L.jpg

http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-tvmZFBR/0/L/Rons-AMX-1-3-12-18-L.jpg

http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-WrFQF4L/0/L/Rons-AMX-1-3-12-17-L.jpg

http://benchseatracin.smugmug.com/Cars/DC-PERFORMANCE/Ron-Shwarz-AMX-Road-Racer/i-LxbFMD3/0/L/Rons-AMX-1-3-12-19-L.jpg

[Flash68]

That looks so mean and nasty already. :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

Pretty cool Ron, I think it needs more front tire :unibrow:

[57hemicuda]

Got the cage finished and the body back on. Set the engine and trans, I think I'm going to change to the slightly shorter torque arm so its not so busy up in here. The firewall is going to be more challenging then I was hoping, but thats the way it goes.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TsVcqLn/0/L/DSC00249-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-DR2tqRV/0/L/DSC00255-2-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-5Nb8Qmn/0/L/DSC00257-2-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-f5NGmNc/0/L/DSC00254-2-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TPvTZzJ/0/L/DSC00253-2-L.jpg

[elitecustombody]

Ron, that looks great! So much better with stretched wheelbase and slammed with wide ass wheels/tires:thumbsup:

It's been a while since I checked the specs on your Mustang, but what kind of wheels and tires you're running on it? Same on all four corners too?

[Tuske427]

Awesome project! I totally agree on reducing that rear overhang. I can't wait to see this finished. Subscribed.

[57hemicuda]

Ron, that looks great! So much better with stretched wheelbase and slammed with wide ass wheels/tires:thumbsup:

It's been a while since I checked the specs on your Mustang, but what kind of wheels and tires you're running on it? Same on all four corners too?


I wish the Mustang had 335's on the front, if it did I probably wouldn't be doing this, like the title says, its an experiment. Check out this pic

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-NgNZb4v/0/L/0106201219-L.jpg

[mustangracer11]

What headers are you using?

[57hemicuda]

What headers are you using?


They are C5 Vette headers, I'm not totally sure I'm using them.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-DR2tqRV/0/L/DSC00255-2-L.jpg

[daemon2]

This is a very interesting build, nice work!

[57hemicuda]

A few cool pics

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-KdwJdNN/0/L/010620122-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-zV62BFN/0/L/0106201223-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-MWssKVH/0/L/0106201220-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-v82L9XT/0/L/0106201210-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-JphBr95/0/L/0106201231-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-xKFjMKv/0/L/0106201240-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-WG8kJ37/0/L/0106201227-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Gp3Sm9m/0/L/0106201247-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron,The chassis look's Awesome.Can't wait to see it the car finished.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[John510]

Wow that is some amazing fab work. I wish i had skills like that.

[57hemicuda]

Just getting the exhaust buttoned up, the car sets so low, and the torque arm is so big, that there was no place to route the pipes. Ended up cutting the frame, installing the mufflers upright, and hiding the 3" stainless pipe, behind the passenger side seat. The tail pipes should be about the same amount of fun.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Fs26nmL/0/L/2012-02-11185352-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-wp4hvnL/0/L/2012-02-11185414-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-RHNGcZX/0/L/2012-02-11185429-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TSVrcT7/0/L/2012-02-11185445-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Very Nice.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Great work as usual but is it to late to suggest side pipes? That tranny is going to get hot quick.

[57hemicuda]

I thought the samething, but started thinking about every other car I've ever had, they all had exhaust that stayed pretty close to the trans. I'm looking into a pump type trans cooler anyway, and a rear cooler too. Weight savings HUH.

[454SSguy]

Wow. This build is awesome. Can't wait for more updates. Stay after it.

[cencalc6]

Excellent Job!

[bonecrrusher]

Ron - checkout the trans cooler they have on the new Camaro ZL1....

[ironworks]

Cool car. This is the first time i have seen it.

[57hemicuda]

Got the tail pipes made today, really crazy, almost look like Harley pipes. Can't put the tips on until I get the quarters made.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-MsPx7F9/0/L/DSC00263-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-8MFhsRm/0/L/DSC00264-L.jpg

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http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-WBCRHN9/0/L/DSC00258-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron,Lookin real good.Keep pressing on.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

Very cool with the double. I wonder how it will sound? I bet really good.

[57hemicuda]

Got the torque arm crossmember fabbed, the exhaust eyebrows were a pain but turned out pretty good.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-sv3s5k7/0/L/DSC00265-2-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-XNHfBgz/0/L/DSC00266-2-L.jpg

[Sonar Chief]

Very nice fabrication going on. I just caught up with the thread cool:wow: I see you are running parallel frame w C-6 up front, all this you built outa square stock, where do you know where all the C-6 suspension gets welded? Seem like the shops building C-6 chassis all look the same, :question: I'm just curious as how one would go about learning this fab in detail.
Have you used the floater rear end before? I noticed Moser axles, did they build the 12 bolt? I dig the details and pixs, learn more:cheers:

[57hemicuda]

Very nice fabrication going on. I just caught up with the thread cool:wow: I see you are running parallel frame w C-6 up front, all this you built outa square stock, where do you know where all the C-6 suspension gets welded? Seem like the shops building C-6 chassis all look the same, :question: I'm just curious as how one would go about learning this fab in detail.
Have you used the floater rear end before? I noticed Moser axles, did they build the 12 bolt? I dig the details and pixs, learn more:cheers:


The front suspension was a bikini clip from Jakes Rod Shop, the fabrication, and welding skills are really just practice. The rear is a Dana 60 which I built myself with Moser snouts and hubs, some DOM 3" tubing, and a Strange center.

[crewchief429]

this is the best build on here by FAR! can't wait to see more!

[57hemicuda]

Been so busy working on my Mustang to get it ready for RTTS, that I haven't looked at this poor thing. I did finally get the 335's on the front, I'm loving the look.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CR32vR7/0/L/DSC00298-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-HCQZc9Z/0/L/DSC00299-L.jpg

[waynieZ]

Wow awesome job, you do beautiful work.

[coolwelder62]

Looks real mean.:thumbsup:

[curleysracecars]

Excellent build. Its fun to follow along on this complete builds...wish I could get a customer to let me start on something like this. By the way, I couldnt help but notice the Nova in the background in post #23. Looks like it needs some frame connectors or a cage to stiffen it up huh? :)

[Moparigno]

great build. I like the tubolar braket for the front suspension pickups. It turned to be very original. Do you have any close-up pic ?

[57hemicuda]

Excellent build. Its fun to follow along on this complete builds...wish I could get a customer to let me start on something like this. By the way, I couldnt help but notice the Nova in the background in post #23. Looks like it needs some frame connectors or a cage to stiffen it up huh? :)

The Nova was my buddy Franks car, it had both a cage and connectors, and a 1000 HP twin turbo LS1. It lost a argument with a telephone pole, and that body is now probably being made into a Toyota Preus somewhere in Japan.

[elitecustombody]

Ron,that looks awesome.Love the fat meat on the front:yes: . Great job:thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Finally getting back to this car,anxious to see what the wheelbase change and cutting several inches off the nose was going to look like. Although the original flares aren't near big enough to hide the huge 335's, I moved them up and forward just wanted to get an idea how it was going to look. I do think its an improvement.
http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Bnhbjtp/0/L/406-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-mSGF9JX/0/L/407-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-735249h/0/L/408-L.jpg

[Vegas69]

That's going to be a serious beast and contendor.:thumbsup:

[WSSix]

I think I would try to make the fenders flares bulge more like the mustang's instead of being tacked on looking. Either way, I'm sure it will turn out well when completed. Looking great so far Ron.

[Track Junky]

Love this car Ron....This thing just screams thrash me :thumbsup:

One concern I do have though will be the heat to the passenger side rear tire from the exhaust. I imagine autocross events wont be a prob but I'm thinking prolonged runs on a road course may prematurely overheat the tire.

[57hemicuda]

Just when you thought you thought of everything. The pipes aren't really that close to the tire, but now that you said that it will definitely get wrapped and a stainless steel baffle to keep the heat away. That really is what makes these sites so great, 5000 heads are better then one. Thanks, Ron
http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-WBCRHN9/0/L/DSC00258-L.jpg

[HWY Nova]

Coating the exhaust tubes will also reduce your exhaust tubing temperature. Talk to the folks at Jet-Hot.


--Eric

[57hemicuda]

Car is starting to show its basic shape, with all the wheelbase, and length changes. I still think the front end needs a little more rake, but I won't know till I get the front bumper hung. I do think its an improvement over the original rambler design.
http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-VHwGRss/0/L/DSC00488-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-9VCQrcJ/0/L/DSC00489-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-v9GbHKf/0/L/DSC00491-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-H3RV9mJ/0/L/DSC00493-L.jpg

[Flash68]

Ron that is looking like a rocket already :thumbsup:

[Rick D]

Ron this is turning out to be one bad SOB! Looks great :thumbsup: So what are the plans for the wheel openings? Are you going for a wide body look or nice flare job?

[57hemicuda]

The front wheels are cambered in pretty good in its current state, and the tires are still rubbing. The flairs are going to be a fair amount bigger then I was hoping, but I still think you can do nothing but improve this body,LOL. I will finish the front then work on the rear, I'm kinda liking it though.

[Track Junky]

So it obviously sounds like your going to have to stretch for wheel room. I really like the look of the existing front wheel flares. Wonder what it would look like if you pulled them out and filled in behind them...
Did the original rear flares match the fronts?

[57hemicuda]

That was the original flare, just cut and relocated, unfortunatly it doesn't have the correct shape if I am going to go big on the flare. I have to put the camber where it belongs, and start cutting.

[57hemicuda]

Looking more and more like a car everyday.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LQqTWp4/0/L/DSC00510-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-d3MgJr6/0/L/DSC00509-L.jpg

[elitecustombody]

That's one bad ass AMX,Ron. What color are you planning on using on this beast?

[57hemicuda]

That's one bad ass AMX,Ron. What color are you planning on using on this beast?

I'm not even close to that point yet, I am thinking about retaining thr stripes though.

[Rybar]

Ron, those flares on the front look perfect. :thumbsup:

[1badsc]

been watching this build for awhile going to been quite the car when its done the work so far is quite amazing for sure lots of talented guys on Lateral G did a couple of photo chops of the X maybe a 68-9 rear quarter wheel opening would cover them huge tires better than the original Amx quarters would they aren't the best but you can get an Idea keep up the great work http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/crusin%20Kenosha/photochopped%20pictures/jui.png
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/crusin%20Kenosha/photochopped%20pictures/DSC00489-L.png

[1badsc]

little more inspiration for ya the Amx's big brother my 68 Javelin just finished it couple months ago http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/1968%20Javelin/jav184-1.jpg

[waynieZ]

The car looks great. I rode in one of those Rambler Scramble's one time with a friend in a quarter mile race it was scary fast. Even more because at the end of the quarter was a 90 degree turn. I think I lost ten years off my life!
I could really use that ten years right now too.
It should be a wild ride when your done.:thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

been watching this build for awhile going to been quite the car when its done the work so far is quite amazing for sure lots of talented guys on Lateral G did a couple of photo chops of the X maybe a 68-9 rear quarter wheel opening would cover them huge tires better than the original Amx quarters would they aren't the best but you can get an Idea keep up the great work http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/crusin%20Kenosha/photochopped%20pictures/jui.png
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/crusin%20Kenosha/photochopped%20pictures/DSC00489-L.png

Thanks for the photoshop work, I wish I was better at that. It would probably take me longer to make the quarters in ink then I would in steel.

Pretty close to what I've got in mind.

[Leadfoot1]

Really!!??

They are nicely done but i was really hoping for something overkill a la Mustang kinda!!

Looking forward to any way you do it, Man i LOVE that Mustang....And thats coming from an all Red Blooded Chevy Freak!!

Keep posting up on the Javelin. I will post some that you might like later, a friend of mine has a 70 Javelin shell over a Nascar chassis, we just repainted it 2 weeks ago and its getting finished up. (lettering and all/a Mark Donohue repro, before it was a ''Big Bad Orange theme) really is a street car look to it too)

Lead.

[onelapduster]

Any more work done on this sweet car? It looks like a go cart just sitting there.

[Jgpclone]

wow the car is coming together very nice :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Fuel tank just came in from ATL for this thing, its killing me not to have the time to work on it.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-ddrxq7h/0/L/DSC00009-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-xLGMgwK/0/L/DSC00008-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-NB3Zfzc/0/L/DSC00007-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Wow!!!! that fuel cell is cool.:thumbsup:

[G-Body]

Crazy coooool build love everything you have done great style and craftsmanship....:thumbsup:

[onelapduster]

Any time to work in this machine? This car is sweet!

[57hemicuda]

I'm in the middle of a Hemi truck restore, but my plan is to start back on it after this weekend.



http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LQqTWp4/0/L/DSC00510-L.jpg

[Cris@JCG]

Looking forward to you finishing up this car Ron! :thumbsup:


I'm in the middle of a Hemi truck restore, but my plan is to start back on it after this weekend.



http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LQqTWp4/0/L/DSC00510-L.jpg

[57hemicuda]

Started tearing into the cowl, and firewall. Had to remove the cowl vents, cut out the rest of the cowl, and start from scratch. Now i have to bend up the front down bars.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-tSx4RLM/0/L/DSC00685-L.jpg

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[Che70velle]

Love this! Did you ever consider doing this as a mid engine, IRS? Would have made the exhaust a little easier. :lol:

[57hemicuda]

I don't think I could afford to buy or fix one of those transaxles when it breaks. I really did dig the midengined Mustang at SEMA though.

[57hemicuda]

Started fabbing the rear shock brackets, as with everything else in this car it is very space limited. Wanted to put the springs as far outboard as possible, can't get over how far in the hoop of the wheel they landed. Still need a little tweeking, but at least I know they will fit.

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[coolwelder62]

Ron,Lookin good.

[57hemicuda]

Started making the tubs today, kind of an engineering challenge due to the removable body, and the rollbar tubing passing right through the middle of the tub. The tubs will stay with the body when removed, the floor with the chassis. Got the sides and rail built still need to make the wrap around part.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-53h5zxv/0/L/DSC00718-L.jpg

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[Hotrod1]

Started making the tubs today, kind of an engineering challenge due to the removable body, and the rollbar tubing passing right through the middle of the tub. The tubs will stay with the body when removed, the floor with the chassis. Got the sides and rail built still need to make the wrap around part.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-53h5zxv/0/L/DSC00718-L.jpg

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That is beautiful. How did you make the initial curved rail? What gauge metal are you using?

[57hemicuda]

I used a shrinker to curve the angle. I would normally use 20 gauge on the tubs, but the tub wil rivet to the roll cage on this car and the body is removable, this made me go with 18 gauge. The top of the tub will be 20 though.

[57hemicuda]

Got the gas tank mounts built, man this stuff is taking way too long. Hoping to have all chassis stuff done this week, and just consentrate on sheet metal. I'm pretty happy with how it is coming out, but fear its going to be as heavy as everything else I build.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-C5MQ57G/0/L/DSC00732-L.jpg

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[coolwelder62]

Ron,Lookin great.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Got the tank top mounts made and the floor between the tubs. Really makes you think, as to how the panels will lay due the body unbolting from the frame.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Lnt6bCf/0/L/DSC00743-L.jpg

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[coolwelder62]

That's a big panel to get steps rolled in.Looks great.

[57hemicuda]

Got the tubs welded in, the removable body made it so the tubs had to be slotted, so when the body leaves the rollbar slides right through the opening. The opening will get a cover when its installed all the way. The panels between the tub and the door jamb look like they are going to be a PITA, you can see the wheelbase change at the tub area.



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[coolwelder62]

Looking So far Ron.Will you want remove after you finish ed the car or just for final assembly.

[57hemicuda]

The body will probably never leave the chassis again once its built, I just loved it for the cage work, and the fact that I can if I ever want to change things up. Who knows, Pro Street might make a come back.LOL

[coolwelder62]

Who knows, Pro Street might make a come back.LOLLet's hope NOT!!!!:D

[Payton King]

You got down yesterday and knocked it out. That looks very nice

[57hemicuda]

Have to fill the area where the 7" was added to the wheelbase. Made a channel to make up the space between the door jam, and the tub, then filled the space. The only rust on this whole car was the window channel, which I removed and replaced with the new filler channel. Sucky part is now I have to do the other side.

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[57hemicuda]

Started messing with the flares, what do you think? It really doesn't look that crazy considering the 7 extra inches of wheelbase.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-F4dgvfG/0/L/DSC00773-L.jpg

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[waynieZ]

Its coming along nice , nice work.

[Flash68]

Keep pluggin away Ron! Very cool.

[coolwelder62]

Ron,When do you think you will have this monster running down the road.

[57hemicuda]

I'm hoping it will be out this year, it sure doesn't look like it though.lol I've got a POS 6.0 Silverado engine tucked under my bench I may just blow the dirt out of it, cam it up, and stick in there just to work the bugs out. Or maybe I'll pull the Mustang engine freshen it up, and stick a Ford motor in that car, who knows.

[Macbuick]

Nice build....:trophy-1302:
I would see the rear wheels going a little bit outside the wheelwells...
They seem a little shy as is...and you would gain space for your coilovers.
David

[57hemicuda]

The pics don't really show how much of a bulge is really there. This car I want to be much more mild on the outside then my Mustang is(as mild as it can be with 335's all the way around). I really want to see if with a little nip and tuck I can clean up the awkward lines of the AMX. Like the title says, its an Xperiment. The front unfortunatly wil have quite a bit more bulge then the rear due to the lack of transition area on the front, compared to the rear. That to me is the fun part of the build.

[coolwelder62]

Ron, just hurry and finish this thing.LOL!!!

[57hemicuda]

Is your 335 beast done yet? well is it? well? LOL

[coolwelder62]

Is your 335 beast done yet? well is it? well? LOLNO,not yet.:headspin:

[65_LS1_T56]

Is your 335 beast done yet? well is it? well? LOL

Yeah Scott, is it? hehe. Time for updates :popcorn2:

You're right on Ron, it's needs to be subtle, well until you notice the 335s :ohsnap:

[57hemicuda]

Starting to get some of this stuff cleaned up, and figured out. This is definitely the most complete the car has been since I've owned it. You can kind of see what it is going to look like. The next thing, is to somehow getting the trunk lid hinged, due to the wheelbase change, and the big tars, the hinges are about 3" into the air portion of the tires when closed.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-B3Mt5CR/0/L/DSC00776-L.jpg

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[Payton King]

I like the direction the body is going.

[Sieg]

I like the direction the body is going.

Agreed! Keep the pedal down Ron. :thumbsup:

[wellis77]

The next thing, is to somehow getting the trunk lid hinged, due to the wheelbase change, and the big tars, the hinges are about 3" into the air portion of the tires when closed.


I'm watching this part closely since I have a similar issue on my Dart. Looking forward to what you come up with.

[Royalworks]

Just move in your hinges to clear the tubs and put shocks on it. Clean and opens with that cool speeesh sound. I guess that does open another problem. You will have to make an new mount on the underside of your decklid. You might cut the bracing out and move it over and splice it together to look factory. Just a thought.

[57hemicuda]

Funky rear view.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-dK99CmX/0/L/DSC00779-L.jpg

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[wiedemab]

You're a wild-man! I love it!

[WILWAXU]

Almost looks stock :D

[57hemicuda]

To be totally truthful, I'm not sure if I'm making this car better or worse. I'm half thinking of changing the body line down the center of the car.

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[Sieg]

Knuckleball.......what would it look like with a wing?

[Royalworks]

Knuckleball.......what would it look like with a wing?

What he said^

[57hemicuda]

what would it look like with a wing?

Funny you should say that, I'm just figuring the mounts out right now which I will mount behind the quarter panels while they are off.

[Sieg]

Funny you should say that, I'm just figuring the mounts out right now which I will mount behind the quarter panels while they are off.

Great!

With the wheelbase extension the visual is "pinched" just a little between the bumper and wheelwell, not bad though and many would never notice unless in a side by side comparison. The wing may create visual balance and with less levered weight behind the rear axles the additional downforce might be appreciated. Besides my redneck logic the right wing and uprights could be a visual homerun with the current lines of the car..........and maybe a rear diffuser panel? :unibrow:

[Royalworks]

Since we are all throwing out design ideas I think it would be sweet if your raked the rear lower part of your quarter to match the height of your rocker.

[57hemicuda]

You guys do realize that the whole lower part of the quarter is an old Amx hood (because I wanted it to be the same color)that I cut up and bent over my knee, took seriously 2 minutes. Its held on with 1 zip screw, just so I could get an idea of what it would look like. The bottom of the quarter will be raked, the body lines will get cleaned up, and it will actually be tight to the sheet metal.

The only thing I think I'm really worried about is the front flare compared to the rear. It seems the long quarter really hid the amount of bulge that's there. There will be no hiding the front, big American bulges all the way.
Once I line the front end up this week, and get the camber where it needs to be the problem in the front will be seriously exaggerated. I'll get it, but hope it doesn't come off looking too cheesy.

[Sieg]

You guys do realize that the whole lower part of the quarter is an old Amx hood (because I wanted it to be the same color)that I cut up and bent over my knee, took seriously 2 minutes. Its held on with 1 zip screw, just so I could get an idea of what it would look like. The bottom of the quarter will be raked, the body lines will get cleaned up, and it will actually be tight to the sheet metal.
We do now! Then why didn't you just make 5-6" taller and you'd already have the end plates for the diffuser! :D

You're as experimental as a kid with craft paper and a glue stick, I like that. :thumbsup:

[Royalworks]

I had no idea. I thought you somehow put the quarter back together. I wasn't sure

[57hemicuda]

Because of how low the tank is, and where the exhaust will exit, I don't think I have the physical space for a rear diffuser. Both pipes will exit out the passenger side of the rear splash pan, with kind of a boom tube. The drivers side will have a belly pan on it, but I think the tank is just too low to come up with any kind of diffuser(they are cool though).

On the wing, while the quarters are off I plan on installing mounting plated that mount on the inside of the sail panel that goes down the quarter near the trunk lid.

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[Royalworks]

This is gonna be one bad ride. It would be awesome if you could get LED lights all the way across the back.

[57hemicuda]

I just saw this while looking for some parts, thought the rear view was exactly the same as mine. Might have to buy it, (what am I 10)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eldon-Revell-Cox-Dealer-promo-slot-car-conversion-69-AMC-javelin-SST-1-25-/200914877224?pt=Slot_Cars&hash=item2ec775bb28#ht_258wt_1170

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[Payton King]

You could put that on your motor when the hood is up and get one of those crying dolls to stand next to the front tire.

[avewhtboy]

You could put that on your motor when the hood is up and get one of those crying dolls to stand next to the front tire.



:lmao: One of those dolls strapped in the passenger seat might be funny

[57hemicuda]

You guys just made me remember why I hate car shows. Hell I can't get over the $165 price tag on the toy, I didn't pay that much for the car.LOL

[57hemicuda]

Just getting back to this car, started making the watts link mounts. Hard to believe I thought I was going to save weight, with the 1/8th" thick rear cover, and 3/16" mounts, I don't think this will be a feather weight. Still have a few gussets on the cover but its close.

Now that I have the rear mounted, I can run it over to the front end shop and get it lined up and the rear squared up so I can start roughing in the finished quarters.

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[coolwelder62]

Lookin pretty good.There's alot going on in a small space.:welder:

[57hemicuda]

Yeah Scott, this car has been the biggest challenge I've ever had in the space department. With the fuel tank in place there is no place at all in the back of the car, I'm scrambling to find a place for the battery.

[65_LS1_T56]

Yeah Scott, this car has been the biggest challenge I've ever had in the space department. With the fuel tank in place there is no place at all in the back of the car, I'm scrambling to find a place for the battery.

Please don't put the battery in the passenger seat Ron, I think that will be a busy place too :thumbsup:
Watts link looks great.

[coolwelder62]

Yeah Scott, this car has been the biggest challenge I've ever had in the space department. With the fuel tank in place there is no place at all in the back of the car, (I'm scrambling to find a place for the battery).What do you think about super small battery's they are building now.I wonder how long they will hold a good charge.

[57hemicuda]

I've wondered the same thing, I saw Jake cursing at the mini battery in his race car at VIR last year. I'll sneak an Optima red top in there somewhere.

[57hemicuda]

Finally got the ungodly awful 4x4 lift blocks out, which were locating the rear axle. Got the car to my buddy Troys front end shop for an alignment, and to square up the rear axle, got some strange stares taking it over there. It was pretty damn close for eye balling it, the quarters will be next on the list, can't wait to see how it turns out.

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[preston]

>can't wait to see how it turns out.

That's funny - that's how I feel when I start building something too. Some guys have to CAD something to perfection or have a picture perfect rendering done. I just stand and stare for several hours, hold up a few pieces of cardboard, and get to work. And I think to myself "this is going to be cool, I can't wait to see how it looks !". Like Michelangelo chipping away the extra stone until the sculpture was revealed.

[57hemicuda]

That's funny Preston. I remember Bob Johnson telling me when I first started working on the Mustang, that I was doing it all wrong. First you have to have rendering done, then an engineer needs to see if is doable, you have to stick to the rendering or you'll get way off track. I was like, hell I'll have the body shaped and tweeked several times before I have the time for all that.

[zo6s10]

I know there are updates.....

Ron, awesome build. Watching your builds make me want to get to started on mine.

[Royalworks]

That's funny Preston. I remember Bob Johnson telling me when I first started working on the Mustang, that I was doing it all wrong. First you have to have rendering done, then an engineer needs to see if is doable, you have to stick to the rendering or you'll get way off track. I was like, hell I'll have the body shaped and tweeked several times before I have the time for all that.

Yeah, sometimes I just start building the car then get a rendering done and the engineer as I go. Ass backwards but it always works out.

[57hemicuda]

I know Payton is going to bust my chops for working on this instead of my AMX, but I have been finishing up the floors in my old Dodge Power Wagon. They don't make anything for those old trucks so I had to fab everything from scratch. Winding up things on this truck, so I should get on this car soon.

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[Payton King]

You are killing me

[Royalworks]

Well I guess that update is cool. Nice metal work.

[Rick D]

Come on Ron let see more POWER WAGON??? Sorry Payton :peepwall:

[57hemicuda]

I have a soft spot for old trucks. I have this 69 Dodge P/W that I put a EFI 5.7 hemi in, thing runs like a new truck, sets on a shortened 80's Dodge frame, Dana 60's front and back 727, and a 205 t/c. The cab was rotted pretty good, so I got a better one and am finishing up the floors in it before I switch them over. I also own a 40's P/W with an old school hemi. I really need a check up from the neck up!!

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[MSTSFabbed]

I really need a check up from the neck up!!


Naaaaaahhh!! Id say you're a very well balanced gear head! :clap:
Floors look good!

[57hemicuda]

Got a few minutes to play with this thing. Quarters are at least somewhat shaped, the more I mess with this car the more awkward it seems, maybe I should leave it alone, NAH. I kind of think its taking the Ford Pinto shape only bigger.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-drt7TH6/0/L/DSC00832-L.jpg

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[65_LS1_T56]

Got a few minutes to play with this thing. Quarters are at least somewhat shaped, the more I mess with this car the more awkward it seems, maybe I should leave it alone, NAH. I kind of think its taking the Ford Pinto shape only bigger.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-vGRNrCC/0/L/DSC00829-L.jpg



I see the Pinto a bit here, looking good Ron :popcorn2:

[waynieZ]

Its looking great Ron. Nice job.

[Flash68]

:weld: :superhack:

:thumbsup:

[onelapduster]

Is it possible to slightly bulge the front fenders and give them the same wheel opening as the rears? That might tie it together. I see what your saying though, with as long as the front and door is, the rear just drops off. If the car had a spoiler like the Javilin, it could even out the lengths.

[Ripped]

If it was me, I might try and incorporate a slight javelin fender hump;
http://automotobounce.com/Amc/Amc-javelin/gallery.html?pic=2

maybe about 30-50% of what was in the later models, along with a full sheet metal stretch to wrap around the tire.

It might give you the ability to have a similar wheel opening front and back.

The spoiler on this page could look better with a little more 'artistic license'

http://www.tajavelin.com/history.html

maybe you could fabricate something along those lines

[Rick D]

Looking good Ron, maybe if you weren't working on so many projects at once you could finish one of them :headscratch: :underchair: :poke:

[57hemicuda]

Looking good Ron, maybe if you weren't working on so many projects at once you could finish one of them :headscratch: :underchair: :poke:

This stuff keeps falling into my lap, I haven't gone looking for one of these projects, hell I've been offered several that I turned down, but yeah I'm :drowninga: in it. Like I said before, I need a check up from the neck up!

[57hemicuda]

If it was me, I might try and incorporate a slight javelin fender hump;

Its funny, the doors are same between the newer AMX's and the first gen., so the body lines would line up, and bolt on. I( have been looking for a set of 71 and up fenders for a while just to see how they would work, like you said there is a bit more transition room there to work with. The hood area, and nose of course are a lot different, but hey everything I own ends up being a quilt anyway.

http://cdn1.automotobounce.com/pics/62/1b/Amc-javelin_b3540.jpg

[MX145]

This car is unbelievable! I can't wait to see more.

[Sieg]

http://aprperformance.com/images/products/AB-262019.jpg

http://aprperformance.com/images/zoom/WXXNLQ/audi_R8_005.jpg

I still think the right profile of wind and end plates with a diffuser could really add to what you've got going.......just say'in. :D

[57hemicuda]

I agree with the wing, and already have some ideas in the works. I still don't see how I could make a rear diffuser fit with the exhaust and fuel tank taking up so much space in the back. I really need to make some time to work on this thing, 30 min. at a clip just aint making it.

[coolwelder62]

:sarcasm_smiley: Ron,I wanted more time to work on my car,So I quit my job and went on obamacare.I should be OK until 2016 when America wake's up and make's some change's.

[Sieg]

The tank and it's frame are definitely a challenge. A pair of larger (thicker) veins to accommodate the frame rails with two smaller inside and one on each outboard side would accomplish "the look."

Exhaust can be dumped through it with tight clearance if it's done in sheet metal?

What you've accomplished is very impressive considering how tight the space is in comparison to most cars. From another perspective it's quite spacious compared to F1 engineering. :D

Keep it fun! :thumbsup:

[Royalworks]

Just do a raised floor in the back for the tank. Do like a mustang tank that drop right on in.

[57hemicuda]

:sarcasm_smiley: Ron,I wanted more time to work on my car,So I quit my job and went on obamacare.I should be OK until 2016 when America wake's up and make's some change's.

God I hope that's true Scott!! For the first time in my adult life I'm starting to think like one of those conspiracy kooks.LOL

[57hemicuda]

Just do a raised floor in the back for the tank. Do like a mustang tank that drop right on in.

The trunk lid barely closes now because of the size of the tank, and it hangs out the bottom more then I'd like. The pics don't really show how space deficient this thing really is. No wasted space though, I'm using about every inch inside the sheet metal, and bulging the sheet metal where needed. LOL

[WSSix]

Looking good, Ron. Glad you're considering a wing. I think it would work well on the car.

[Sieg]

Which model ATL and what capacity do you have?

[57hemicuda]

Its the saver cell series(try saying that 3 times fast). I don't know why they call it that, because its really pretty expensive,at least the EFI version is. http://www.atlinc.com/saver-cell-series.html The space limitations forced me to run a 26 gallon cell, only because its the only cell that would fit in that space ( taller then it is wide). I do like it uses a capacitance type fuel level gauge like they use in the newer boats, maybe I'll have a gas gauge that works right for once, and man is it setup for cross country cruising with the 26 gallon capacity.LOL

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-v6zd5Zw/0/L/DSC00738-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-xLGMgwK/0/L/DSC00008-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-dK99CmX/0/L/DSC00779-L.jpg

[Sieg]

SA126B 28.90 x 13.95 x 17.00

Obviously the 13.95" width is the magic number.......and very limiting. :(

[waynieZ]

That last picture looks awesome! Nice job.

[Royalworks]

Holy huge gas tank.

[Sieg]

Holy huge gas tank.
I spent quite a while looking at cell sizes this morning and his 14" width kills his options unless you go 10, 8, or 5 gallon.

[Royalworks]

Well how much was that tank? I had a custom one made in a really strange shape for like $800.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

26 gal is a must for a driver. The tank will also double as an aerodynamic modifying piece.
Awesome work Ron.

[Royalworks]

I was looking at the car more. I think once you put the windshield back in it will take a bit from that long nose. I think you could do a laid back spoiler to add on the quarters and trunk. I was gonna draw something on it but I couldn't save it for some reason.

[57hemicuda]

If I remember right the cell was like $1300 with the fuel pump, fuel gauge , and aluminum can. That pump is like $500 on its own though. I was going to get a blank ABS cell, lay it on its side, build a can, make all the pump parts internally in the tank, but I have to admit I'm just tired. It was way easier ordering one.

[Sieg]

26 gal is a must for a driver. The tank will also double as an aerodynamic modifying piece.
Awesome work Ron.
+1 on all counts :thumbsup:

Extend the rear valance and quarter lowers a couple inches, incorporate a modified diffuser, and install proper looking wing and she's looking damn good. :thumbsup:

Really like everything about this build, stay the course!

[57hemicuda]

Was just going through some paper work, found the receipt on that cell. Remembered they built me a 126 cell first, they did it backwards short and fat instead of tall and thin. I sent it back , and they corrected the mistake, but I had them custom make a 122 cell (22 gallon) stand it up on end, and put the EFI stuff in it. It added to the cost total it was $1461, ouch!

[Royalworks]

$1400? dang. Sounds like a bit much. But I had a standard tank made and we put a fuel pump on the outside of it.

[57hemicuda]

Finally getting back on this car, got the down bars, and crossover made.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BHjF9zk/0/L/20130911_182718-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-PVhmD2g/0/L/20130911_182737%20-%20Copy-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Look's Awesome Ron.You are gettin more done than me.

[WSSix]

Looks good and is giving me ideas for my car. Glad you're back on this one, Ron. Good luck!

[57hemicuda]

Started butchering up some fenders to cover that massive tire. Using the flares off the newer Javelin, and grafting it on to the 69 fender . I think it looks factory.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LFBz832/0/L/DSC00835-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-2hbxnT4/0/L/DSC00836-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-tHBb5h9/0/L/DSC00837-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron,that's a great idea!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Looks very good Ron. :thumbsup:

[Lowfast]

Looks great, you sir are king of the wild garage builds.:hail:

[Rick D]

Yup Ron that looks nice :thumbsup:

[Leadfoot1]

Man!!!


How about you push it outside so we get a real look!!! Looks terrific!! Factory....id say better than!! If factory AMC's looked like. That id be into them.

Seriously, i missed out the rear tire covering so going back to see what youve done but it looks really serious!

Love it!!

Lead.

[57hemicuda]

Trying to get this nose to look right where the two pieces merge, kinda hard to tell with all the different colors going on. Getting closer, but not quite there, what do you think?

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BXfH8tj/0/L/DSC00842-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BXfH8tj/0/L/DSC00842-L.jpg

[Flash68]

Yeah that angle & colors is tough... can you post a pic more head on or slightly offset?

[Leadfoot1]

:hail:


Is all that comes to my mind....

I just have a hard time keeping to mind it sits on tose monster at every corner!!! Way too cool.

I wanted to ask something while im talking about the tire size... Is there a point at which the rack is taking such a beating trying to drive (yours for example) monster tires at which point it becomes not/less good for it (and something might be better?) or if the rack dont care at all and dont see the difference?

Love the project.

Lead.

[1badsc]

maybe the hump on the rear quarter will tie it all together ...have you seen this car to me its a mess with the different fenders ...http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/1971proto465x310.jpgif you got the hump from a big body Jav and incorporated the hump i think your on to something real special or you could duplicate the fenders on this prototype AMXhttp://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/Koolmagumn/66amc_amx_2.jpg ...I do love what your doing to the Amx and when its done there will be nothing like it !!!!

[Sieg]

Ron to my eye it looks like you've got the vision and it's starting to take shape. :thumbsup:

[Hatcher1986]

looks good

[Payton King]

of the different colors, body lines and those funky stripes that are making it hard to see. I think once it is one color it will flow and look outstanding.

Great idea to use those fenders! Are you going to try and use the stock bumper or make something custom?

[aggie91]

Just read though the whole thing. I think the Javelin front flares are looking good. It will be a cool car when you are done. Great fab skills!

[57hemicuda]

Trying to refine it a little before I decide if I like it and start tigging panels together.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-8GKtMvR/0/L/DSC00846-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-W3gh6wn/0/L/DSC00843-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TsQcT7r/0/L/DSC00849-L.jpg

[Flash68]

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TsQcT7r/0/L/DSC00849-L.jpg

Ron, I think that is shaping up to be killer!

[Rick D]

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TsQcT7r/0/L/DSC00849-L.jpg

Yup Ron I think you are on the right path for sure!!

[WILWAXU]

I'm digging it!

[dave96dcm]

I think it looks great.

[Brads70]

Finally getting back on this car, got the down bars, and crossover made.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BHjF9zk/0/L/20130911_182718-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-PVhmD2g/0/L/20130911_182737%20-%20Copy-L.jpg

Just wondering how you will get the engine out/in . Will the bar be a bolt in part?:hello:

[57hemicuda]

I used these sexy little units, usually used in offroad circles.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LrpWGFw/0/L/interlock-parts-L.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Ron,Fender's look perfect.DON"T change a thing.:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Fire up the TIG Ron, it's looking good. :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

winner, winner, chicken dinner! You nailed it, start tig'in

[GregWeld]

Good gawd Ron! Hurry up already!


Between you and Dave and his "street car" (named Desire?).... Social Security will be broke and out of business before you two get these done.


It looks great BTW....:D

[preston]

When you did your Mustang I remember you saying you MIG'ed it all "as it would have taken forever to TIG".

Are you now a TIG convert for sheet metal ?

I've been converting to TIG too, when I can get the gaps tight. The more "visible" it is the more I gravitate towards it, assuming I can get a hammer and dolly on it afterwards. But I'm still quick to grab the MIG when I need something simple or "non-visible". Usually what happens is my panel gap varies a bit here and there, so I TIG everything that's tight, and MIG the wider gaps. My favorite thing about the TIG is the piece doesn't move around so much when you are tacking it like the MIG.

I've been widening my Mustang 4" so I'm deep into this phase (again) myself.

The design is looking good-for an AMX :lol:

[57hemicuda]

Good gawd Ron! Hurry up already!


Between you and Dave and his "street car" (named Desire?).... Social Security will be broke and out of business before you two get these done.




"Slow down Greg", I'm sure that's not the first time you've heard that.LOL

And Social Security is already bankrupt, so Dave and I can take our time.

[57hemicuda]

When you did your Mustang I remember you saying you MIG'ed it all "as it would have taken forever to TIG".

Are you now a TIG convert for sheet metal ?

I've been converting to TIG too, when I can get the gaps tight. The more "visible" it is the more I gravitate towards it, assuming I can get a hammer and dolly on it afterwards. But I'm still quick to grab the MIG when I need something simple or "non-visible". Usually what happens is my panel gap varies a bit here and there, so I TIG everything that's tight, and MIG the wider gaps. My favorite thing about the TIG is the piece doesn't move around so much when you are tacking it like the MIG.

I've been widening my Mustang 4" so I'm deep into this phase (again) myself.

The design is looking good-for an AMX :lol:


Yeah I'm tigging everything I can. To be honest I just hate the sparks of the mig anymore. I do use it for tacking just because I'm usually holding the panel with my other hand, and even then I burn the hell out of my forearms.

[Sieg]

"Slow down Greg", I'm sure that's not the first time you've heard that.LOL

And Social Security is already bankrupt, so Dave and I can take our time.

You know his middle name really should be Caffeinated. :D

[Ron Sutton]

I love this build. The bodywork style is all coming together now & looks great.

[Brads70]

I used these sexy little units, usually used in offroad circles.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LrpWGFw/0/L/interlock-parts-L.jpg

Great idea! :thankyou:

[Flash68]

And Social Security is already bankrupt, so Dave and I can take our time.

Absolutely. About 10 years ago I decided to consider Social Security as a bonus if I ever get anything out of it.... I don't plan on it being around when I am Greg's age. :lol:

[57hemicuda]

Finally realized I have been going about this all wrong. I don't need bulges, I need boxes.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-mjD2gbp/0/L/imagesCAC0NTHE-L.jpg

[GregWeld]

4 wheelbarrows ought to do the trick.....

[TorqDork]

I was chatting with Ron about this and had a side shot of both a two seater AMX and a later humpster style. So I did a little tweaking and morphing for him.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a627/restomania/Pontiacs/new2_zpsfe80f305.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/restomania/media/Pontiacs/new2_zpsfe80f305.jpg.html)

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a627/restomania/Pontiacs/new1_zpscad64ae2.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/restomania/media/Pontiacs/new1_zpscad64ae2.jpg.html)

[coolwelder62]

Finally realized I have been going about this all wrong. I don't need bulges, I need boxes.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-mjD2gbp/0/L/imagesCAC0NTHE-L.jpgRon, I think this would be the wrong direction for you.

[1badsc]

I was chatting with Ron about this and had a side shot of both a two seater AMX and a later humpster style. So I did a little tweaking and morphing for him.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a627/restomania/Pontiacs/new2_zpsfe80f305.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/restomania/media/Pontiacs/new2_zpsfe80f305.jpg.html)

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a627/restomania/Pontiacs/new1_zpscad64ae2.jpg (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/restomania/media/Pontiacs/new1_zpscad64ae2.jpg.html)now thats what I'm talking about .... that looks great !!!

[FETorino]

winner, winner, chicken dinner! You nailed it, start tig'in

Hell Yea I agree:thumbsup:

:cheers:

[57hemicuda]

Started shortening the 3" out of the hood. Had to deskin the hood panels, cut the under side of the hood shorter. Then fabricate the new back section of the out of 3/4 x 3/4 angle to the contour of the cowl. Have to make some hinge pockets, and fillers, then put the skin back on.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-2w7WvKL/0/L/DSC00853-L.jpg

[zo6s10]

How far from Newark DE are you? Know you are in Maryland somewhere. Maybe I can help muscle things around and you could teach me something. Followed the Mustang and this build on the PT site, that site is no fun, came here to watch this build.
Random :walkingdog: :knock:

[WILWAXU]

Seems that AMX's are in vogue now ;)
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/ride-1968-amc-amx-174258846.html

[57hemicuda]

This place has become too much of a hang out now. LOL I have to park my truck behind the garage just to get anything done (way too much beer drinking and bs flying around here)Truely nothing seems to be getting done.

I wouldn't have built an AMX unless they were Vogue. Anybody that knows me, knows how GQ I am. LOL

[Beach Cruiser]

There's Beer drinking and hanging out in your garage? I might just have to drive up for some of that!

[57hemicuda]

Finally getting a little time over the long weekend. Got the core support made and bolted down, I've totally given up on the hood, and plan on ordering a fiberglass one. Got the side of the fender welded, and will hopefully get the top done this week.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BPphmPX/0/L/DSC00855-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-n3JLNLH/0/L/DSC00857-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-wShJ36w/0/L/DSC00859-L.jpg

[Cris@JCG]

Car is looking good Ron! Done by next year??


Finally getting a little time over the long weekend. Got the core support made and bolted down, I've totally given up on the hood, and plan on ordering a fiberglass one. Got the side of the fender welded, and will hopefully get the top done this week.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BPphmPX/0/L/DSC00855-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-n3JLNLH/0/L/DSC00857-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-wShJ36w/0/L/DSC00859-L.jpg

[57hemicuda]

I'm hoping, have been trying to pick up all the parts I might need. Still have a few major things to buy (an engine, wheels, etc.)

What I really need is time to work on it, life has been crazy here lately. The bad part is, its so long between work sessions, that I can't remember where I left off. Takes hours staring at the car before I even get started wrenching.

[Sieg]

The bad part is, its so long between work sessions, that I can't remember where I left off. Takes hours staring at the car before I even get started wrenching.
That without a doubt is the toughest part........just when the momentum starts building you have to pause.......for too long. :bang:

[Leadfoot1]

That without a doubt is the toughest part........just when the momentum starts building you have to pause.......for too long. :bang:


Jeee!!! Thats nice to hear...i was thinking i was alone doing that!! Lol! Between that and swiping the floor and keeping the shop organized i do nothing !!

Car is looking kick ass! Love your style... always.

:king:

Lead.

[WSSix]

x3 it's why I do very little to the car other than research ideas and make plans etc. I gave up trying to do anything while still doing working my current job.

Glad to see it coming together, Ron. The fender looks great!

[57hemicuda]

Christmas came early at my house. New fiberglass hood showed up awaiting my butchery. A lot lighter then the steel part, and wwwaaayyyy straighter.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BHHt9LJ/0/L/DSC00869-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-v5gZjGQ/0/L/DSC00870-L.jpg

[Flash68]

That looks bad ass Ron. What are your plans for it? :welder:

[GregWeld]

Nice Ron!


Who knew they made FG versions for those cars! Not kidding - I'm really surprised -- and only because you know - there's probably not that many being built overall - but maybe there is??


Great project - now hurry up already!

[byndbad914]

Who knew they made FG versions for those cars! Not kidding - I'm really surprised -- and only because you know - there's probably not that many being built overall - but maybe there is??
+1 That was the first thing I thought as well :D Fun project to follow along.

[FETorino]

Christmas came early at my house. New fiberglass hood showed up awaiting my butchery. A lot lighter then the steel part, and wwwaaayyyy straighter.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-BHHt9LJ/0/L/DSC00869-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-v5gZjGQ/0/L/DSC00870-L.jpg

Did the hood come from USBody or Glassteck or another vendor?

It looks like a pretty close fit.:cheers:

[57hemicuda]

The hood came from AAR fiberglass out of Florida, looks like a well made part. My plans are to slightly cut and narrow this new $500 part, and then cut 3" off the length of this new $500 part. LOL

[GregWeld]

First thing a hot rodder needs to learn -- "ya gotta cut to cure".



LOL




Oh man…..

[66fury]

Ive bought a few hoods from aar and the quality has been first class

[57hemicuda]

The rear suspension in this car uses a watts link. In my normal knuckle dragging self, I welded up the watts mount on to the Dana 60 cover with a lot of adjustability, welding and warpage. After talking to Aaron for I long while, and looking at some of the cutting edge stuff he was doing. I decided to see what we could come up with in aluminum.

Aaron started the 3d design work, and in my opinion, it is nothing short of spectacular. He just started making aluminum chips, and I'm not ashamed to say it gives me abit of a chubby. The contrast between my parts and his is like comparing a couple of paper cups and string vs. a cell phone. Aaron just has the one side done, and sent me the pics today, and I had to post them. Like magic.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-RmRzZSZ/0/L/dana%2060%202-L.png

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CxzBwWJ/0/L/dana60-L.png

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-p34tjDw/0/L/cover%201-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-7HDvqBT/0/L/cover3-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rfnCsZ2/0/L/cover5-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-n7hpQpJ/0/L/cover7-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-4RS7JXQ/0/L/cover11-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rQ85Zts/0/L/cover13-L.jpg

[Sieg]

Chubby? :sieg:

That's a Certified Fatty!

Very nice.

[Bad94]

That's super badass,

are you going to have a drain in the cover?
No pre load bolts for a caps?

[65_LS1_T56]

Glad you like it so far Ron. I built a fixture plate to mount it to for machining the outside. Hope to get a good part of it machined tomorrow.

I enjoy the challenges of something like this and finally seeing it come to life is nothing short of awesome.

I'll forward more pics when I have something. Thanks for the nice words. Sorry its taken this long, work gets in the way of fun stuff sometimes...

[Ron in SoCal]

...in my opinion, it is nothing short of spectacular.

I had to post them.

Like magic.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-RmRzZSZ/0/L/dana%2060%202-L.png

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CxzBwWJ/0/L/dana60-L.png

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-p34tjDw/0/L/cover%201-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-7HDvqBT/0/L/cover3-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rfnCsZ2/0/L/cover5-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-n7hpQpJ/0/L/cover7-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-4RS7JXQ/0/L/cover11-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rQ85Zts/0/L/cover13-L.jpg

Yep! Great work you guys :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Looks to me like that's a real salable part you just cut!


Hello -- Currie? Yeah I have this killer part.... You want 150 of 'em -- okay we'll ship Friday...



EEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Jtomas801]

The cover looks awesome, nice job Aaron. The AMX is coming along, I like how the front end is turning out.

Jon