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DBasher

04-27-2014, 08:36 PM

TorqDork you nailed it, that PS looks perfect!

Love this build!

:popcorn2:
Dan

FETorino

04-27-2014, 08:53 PM

Got the side of the fender roughed in.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-qk8qL7c/0/L/DSC01080-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-jZnPcC3/0/L/DSC01082-L.jpg

It will look dam good in Carbon.....:_paranoid

57hemicuda

04-28-2014, 04:11 AM

Why you keep saying that Rob? The budget is already blown all to hell on this thing!!LOL

1coolC2

04-28-2014, 08:05 AM

Why you keep saying that Rob? The budget is already blown all to hell on this thing!!LOL

The budget only hurts until it goes numb :G-Dub: Looking good Ron, I really like the rear 1/4 brow concept...it really ties the front and back together nice!!

Now that you have that done, cmon down and help a brother out getting mine done for MState!! :superhack:

Jeff

TorqDork

04-28-2014, 11:36 AM

An interesting comparison.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/Reviews/X7C_zps20c22947.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/Reviews/X7C_zps20c22947.jpg.html)

jarhead

04-28-2014, 11:48 AM

An interesting comparison.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/Reviews/X7C_zps20c22947.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/Reviews/X7C_zps20c22947.jpg.html)

WOW!

Sieg

04-28-2014, 12:48 PM

WOW!

One looks much better than the other. :unibrow:

MSTSFabbed

04-29-2014, 05:15 AM

Man I am I loving this thing! Keep up the good work! The little curve in the rear quarter is gonna help tie everything together so much!

57hemicuda

05-02-2014, 05:12 PM

One down, one to go!!

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CMJRVXs/0/L/DSC01083-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TkpT68K/0/L/DSC01084-L.jpg

coolwelder62

05-02-2014, 07:41 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

GNon18s

05-02-2014, 07:57 PM

The ol' body dust all over the place! Hands down the worst part of being a car guy in my opinion. I think its awesome you do everything yourself though.

Flash68

05-02-2014, 08:00 PM

Is that some kind of hovercraft?

67zo6Camaro

05-03-2014, 12:11 AM

An interesting comparison.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/Reviews/X7C_zps20c22947.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/Reviews/X7C_zps20c22947.jpg.html)

GRon, your version is of the hook. Nice work.

57hemicuda

05-03-2014, 04:49 AM

The ol' body dust all over the place! Hands down the worst part of being a car guy in my opinion. I think its awesome you do everything yourself though.

Yeah Justin, I've already stated how much I hate body work, and all that comes with it. After looking at the picture I posted, I had to walk back out and look at the car. In the pic it looked like the top fin on the fender had a wiggle in it. It didn't, just a shadow where the metal was exposed :drowninga: . Still have to cut the headlight bezel back off the fender before the fiberglassing can take place. Funny I cut 3" out of that fender in front of the front wheel openings, and the nose still looks long.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TkpT68K/0/L/DSC01084-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CMJRVXs/0/L/DSC01083-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-nDXhvP4/0/L/DSC01052-L.jpg

GregWeld

05-03-2014, 10:43 PM

It looks great Ron! Love that hood!

57hemicuda

05-04-2014, 05:47 PM

When you're doing something as miserable as smearing mud and sanding, its hard to stay on task. You'll take your motivation where you can get it. Funny how big tars, especially on the front keep me trudging through.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LhbV9FZ/0/L/DSC01086-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56

05-04-2014, 06:27 PM

:king:

That's a big tar

Rick D

05-04-2014, 06:44 PM

Bad Azz Ron :king:

Ron in SoCal

05-04-2014, 07:47 PM

That's a big tar

Bad Azz Ron

Luv dem meetz :thumbsup:

WSSix

05-04-2014, 09:24 PM

Looks great, Ron! Keep up the good progress.

taxidermy man

05-05-2014, 08:10 AM

Yeah, them are some big meats!

Payton King

05-05-2014, 09:31 AM

That is pretty sporty!

57hemicuda

05-05-2014, 05:51 PM

This is absolutely the most like a car this thing has looked since I've owned it. Knew I should have bought some stock in bondo before I started on these fenders, at least $100 in bondo on the floor. Panel fit is amazing good for what a cluster this thing is, hope the fiberglass parts fit this well.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-f5r74QN/0/L/DSC01087-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CvqRGvP/0/L/DSC01088-L.jpg

57hemicuda

05-07-2014, 05:35 PM

Torquedork was at it again, from stock to C14's on an Xperimental. I'm hoping I can do his photoshop justice.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-DNkWm9X/0/L/ron1a_zpsb223517b-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-XR47ktd/0/L/ron2a_zps10388e7b-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-D6w7GKB/0/L/ron3_zps1d58c250-L.jpg

57hemicuda

05-07-2014, 07:22 PM

One last one.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-bjZJrgg/0/L/ron5_zpsad82fb76-L.jpg

Flash68

05-08-2014, 12:13 AM

Now ^ that one has the shape!

TorqDork

05-09-2014, 12:05 PM

Played with it a bit more cleaning it up and raising the rear wheel well slightly. Also used a slightly different '71 AMX 1/4 panel photo to ghost the accent line in. It really breaks up the 1/4 panel nicely.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/ron9b_zps239aa37e.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/ron9b_zps239aa37e.jpg.html)

Ron mentioned Red so gave it an Earl Sheib paint job. LOL

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/ron9c_zps2eced6d8.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/ron9c_zps2eced6d8.jpg.html)

Leadfoot1

05-09-2014, 12:24 PM

He also mentionned white with gold wheels....

:whenitsdone: ?

Lead.

57hemicuda

05-15-2014, 02:05 PM

Everything is kind of roughed in, and I do mean roughed in. Now I need to fit it to the car, and clean up the edges. The nose still looks kind of long to me, even after cutting 3" off of it. Front end definitely shows off the need for the quarter panel mods. Man I hate body work!!!

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-88Bxvxp/0/L/DSC01098-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-nWRsXVz/0/L/DSC01097-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-PvbqM2f/0/L/DSC01091-L.jpg

Sieg

05-15-2014, 02:42 PM

Looks good Ron. I'm guessing the nose looks long due to the lighter color. Start working your magic on the rear quarter eyebrows! :thumbsup:

Track Junky

05-15-2014, 02:47 PM

Nose looks fine. Start working on them quarters. :thumbsup:

WSSix

05-15-2014, 04:55 PM

I think it looks good, Ron. I'm sure it'll look even better in color. Keep up the good work.

Ppd1979

05-15-2014, 07:21 PM

The nose looks perfect, start working on the quarters.

sanddan

05-16-2014, 07:05 AM

I think it's interesting that you say you hate body work but you do a very good job at it.

GregWeld

05-16-2014, 07:22 AM

I think it's interesting that you say you hate body work but you do a very good job at it.

Hating something - but doing a good job at whatever that is -- are completely separate issues.

Ever sanded louvers? LOL

By the way -- my brother in law lives in Boring...

sanddan

05-16-2014, 07:29 AM

Yes, I've sanded louvers. Pretty time consuming.

I do body and paint because I know how and I am too cheap to pay someone else. The OP is very good, even if he hates it:thumbsup:

One of my favorite threads to read, keep up the great work.

57hemicuda

05-16-2014, 08:14 AM

By the way -- my brother in law lives in Boring...

My brother in law lives in Lazy, or is it Good for nothing, I can't remember which, he moves around alot.lol Opposite ends of the country, thats the best way to keep liking family..

Evan Iroc-Z

05-16-2014, 08:30 AM

Nose looks fine. Start working on them quarters. :thumbsup:

The nose looks perfect, start working on the quarters.

The nose looks like sh!t, start working on the quarters. :thumbsup: :D

I think it looks great and will look even better once you tie in the quarters.

TorqDork

05-16-2014, 08:59 AM

Ron,

I think I got pretty close adapting your recent side shot to the earlier clean image I did to put things in perspective.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/Reviews/rons7a_zpsea966d99.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/Reviews/rons7a_zpsea966d99.jpg.html)

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/Reviews/rons7_zpsd702b7aa.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/Reviews/rons7_zpsd702b7aa.jpg.html)

Ron Sutton

05-16-2014, 09:12 AM

This is going to be such a cool looking car when it's done. Keep up the good work Ron.

:cheers:

TorqDork

05-16-2014, 03:18 PM

ArisESQ

05-16-2014, 07:57 PM

This car genuinely looks like it would look awesome in any color.

Rick D

05-16-2014, 08:24 PM

Probably as close as I can get with the mods and dialing in what's been done so far. You mentioned Viper Green at one time and gave it a shot.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/RONs8D_zps371f170b.jpg[/URL]

Ron if your going for the older Viper green then cool, but the new green on the 2014 ain't going to happen. Sorry it's a proprietary color for Dodge. It's a candy looking color but we made it using toners not ink (house of colors candy = ink). That way it will not wash out in the sun like traditional candy can.

Now for the right price I "may" be able to get you some :idea::idea:

Flash68

05-16-2014, 09:19 PM

57hemicuda

05-17-2014, 05:55 AM

No, but I just threw your air cleaner away the other day.

GregWeld

05-17-2014, 07:50 AM

What brakes and pads etc are you running on the Mustang Ron?

I'm in the process of working thru some brake issues on mine with Ron Sutton.

57hemicuda

05-17-2014, 08:58 AM

I'm running Carbotech XP10's on the front, and 12's on the rear. Due to the tandem style master that car has on it I was forced to balance the brakes with pads differences. Baer sent me the newest 6S system they had 2 days before the car left for Optima, didn't get a chance to figure the balance out before Vegas, and it was a disaster. Slid the car off course every lap, totally my fault for not setting the car up before it left.

As soon as the fiberglass plugs are done on this AMX, I'm going to change out the master cylinder setup for a dual master cylinder. I'll try a 7/8" front(which is what I'm running now), 3/4" or 7/10" rear, and run XP10's all the way around. It will require major firewall mods to run that setup, that's why its not done already. Keep in mind that car has humungus brakes on it, 15" 6 piston front/ 14" 6 piston rear.

GregWeld

05-17-2014, 09:15 AM

IKeep in mind that car has humungus brakes on it, 15" 6 piston front/ 14" 6 piston rear.

Soooooo.... that's not really the same as my single C4/12" on the back half of my car?

LOL

Cris@JCG

05-17-2014, 09:27 AM

If Ron Sutton has the time.. Maybe do a thread on brakes & put it on sticky.. Their is alot of information people need to be educated on that could help with brake set-ups.. I personally think 15" front & rear 14's are way to much brakes.. lots of rotational weight..

I will share my controversional information! :thumbsup:

What brakes and pads etc are you running on the Mustang Ron?

I'm in the process of working thru some brake issues on mine with Ron Sutton.

Matt@BOS

05-17-2014, 10:15 AM

Soooooo.... that's not really the same as my single C4/12" on the back half of my car?

LOL

Just put power brakes on it. That should fix it. :lol:

We should have a brake tech thread full of Ron's info, just because.

Flash68

05-17-2014, 11:52 AM

No, but I just threw your air cleaner away the other day.

That hurts Ron. You coulda got at least 2, maybe 3 bucks on craigslist for that and been able to meet another interesting person that your family could classify in the "stranger danger" category.

I'm running Carbotech XP10's on the front, and 12's on the rear.

I think you meant XP12 front and XP10 rear?

If Ron Sutton has the time.. Maybe do a thread on brakes & put it on sticky.. Their is alot of information people need to be educated on that could help with brake set-ups.. I personally think 15" front & rear 14's are way to much brakes.. lots of rotational weight..

:lmao:

Just put power brakes on it. That should fix it. :lol:

:lmao:

57hemicuda

05-17-2014, 12:55 PM

No Dave, mine actually has the more aggressive pad on the rear. That was the only way I could get any kind of rear brake, with the 49F/51R weight ratio, and 275F/335R tire stagger. The car still needs more rear brake, that is why I'm changing the masters.

Greg, I started out with 12" C4 brakes. Drag racing the car, and autoX, I thought it was the sh!t, stock pads, Dot3 fluid and all. I took it on my first road course, about 15 laps in, while doing my typical bonzi down the straight, came to the turn and no brakes, at all. Thank God there was a lot of run off, couldn't even get to slow down. That's when Todd from Baer gave me a quick school on how stupid I was. One of those lessons you never forget.

Vegas69

05-17-2014, 01:48 PM

I had my car set up the same way at one point. That was the only way I could get enough rear brake in my car to take the proportioning valve off full kill.

Flash68

05-17-2014, 03:39 PM

Interesting. Most of the Vette guys have similar stagger (don't know their weight distribution off hand) and they all ran 10 front / 8 rear or more aggressive 12 front 10 rear. Figured I'd see similar setup here.

My dealer recommended the 10 front 8 rear for me and at the time had 255 front 315 rear tires.

Whatever. :mock:

Flash68

05-17-2014, 03:41 PM

If Ron Sutton has the time.. Maybe do a thread on brakes & put it on sticky..

We should have a brake tech thread full of Ron's info, just because.

There is all kinds of Sutton brake knowledge dropped in this thread:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41280&page=2&highlight=braking+force

Cris@JCG

05-17-2014, 05:08 PM

We do the same thing for rear braking bias..

No Dave, mine actually has the more aggressive pad on the rear. That was the only way I could get any kind of rear brake, with the 49F/51R weight ratio, and 275F/335R tire stagger. The car still needs more rear brake, that is why I'm changing the masters.

Greg, I started out with 12" C4 brakes. Drag racing the car, and autoX, I thought it was the sh!t, stock pads, Dot3 fluid and all. I took it on my first road course, about 15 laps in, while doing my typical bonzi down the straight, came to the turn and no brakes, at all. Thank God there was a lot of run off, couldn't even get to slow down. That's when Todd from Baer gave me a quick school on how stupid I was. One of those lessons you never forget.

read it.. Agree on the piston area but just set up a car on Kore 3 front & rear Z06 brakes with brake booster that have the smaller bores & has been one of the best set ups that I have liked so far

There is all kinds of Sutton brake knowledge dropped in this thread:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41280&page=2&highlight=braking+force

57hemicuda

05-17-2014, 06:12 PM

Just because I love body work so much, I decided to make the front bumper, grill, and headlights as one piece. Figured if I was going to make the bumper out of fiberglass, I might as well make it an assembly. Should clean the front of the car up, and make it easier to put together. Besides the grills for these cars go for $650, I will just run the stainless mesh like I have in the Mustang. Got the nose pieces assembled, will make the grill out of sheet metal tomorrow.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Tqd86XH/0/L/DSC01102-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-55xf8nv/0/L/DSC01103-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-LHG4W84/0/L/DSC01104-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-4tBbr6m/0/L/DSC01105-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rGVWZJJ/0/L/DSC01106-L.jpg

57hemicuda

05-18-2014, 11:16 AM

How to make a AMX grill for about 4 bucks: First get a bunch of scrap metal, Second weld it together. Done.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-wxHJtMS/0/L/DSC01107-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-gV9JsNZ/0/L/DSC01108-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-xDMrxWg/0/L/DSC01109-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-PDzbFt9/0/L/DSC01111-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-N3wnNJp/0/L/DSC01112-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Jgq79Td/0/L/DSC01113-L.jpg

Sieg

05-18-2014, 11:48 AM

You don't sit down much do you?

Nice work. :thumbsup:

Flash68

05-18-2014, 12:15 PM

That looks MEAN Ron! Love it. :thumbsup:

57hemicuda

05-18-2014, 03:01 PM

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rZG9v58/0/L/DSC01116-L.jpg

GregWeld

05-18-2014, 03:59 PM

Some dimple die work and stick a fork in it! She's done!! LOL

TorqDork

05-18-2014, 07:27 PM

Ron,

I know you said you’re not a fan of rear spoilers but this car NEEDS one. That being said, I hate 2 seater AMX morons that put Javelin spoilers on their AMX’s which makes them look even longer in back. But you have pushed the rear wheels back to the point where it will look good on your car and the look of the car will balance at any angle with the shorter front.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/NEW4a_zps30ed4b2b.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/NEW4a_zps30ed4b2b.jpg.html)

Looks better at any angle

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/NEW5B_zpsad9ba7d0.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/NEW5B_zpsad9ba7d0.jpg.html)

Sieg

05-18-2014, 08:04 PM

Agreed but not that one. :D 2nd Gen Camaroish maybe, similar rake as the front window, but needs to blend with the eyebrows. :headscratch:

srh3trinity

05-18-2014, 10:04 PM

It may not be a popular opinion, but even a front splitter and a rear wing would look right with this particular car.

Vince@Meanstreets

05-18-2014, 10:23 PM

love it Ron!!!

Track Junky

05-18-2014, 11:10 PM

Love it!! :thumbsup:

MSTSFabbed

05-19-2014, 06:03 AM

Ooo Torq Dork is on to something! It needs to lay back a little more but I like it!

TorqDork

05-19-2014, 09:34 AM

The spoiler I added is from the 1970 Mark Donohue Javelin which he designed for the Trans Am cars so it's a good fit for any 1/4 panel accent line and should be functional at speed.

The later ones are similar but different.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/NEW6_zpsccc05c10.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/NEW6_zpsccc05c10.jpg.html)

Think Ron is sort of thinking about the Viper Green. Rear hump and spoiler added.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/NEW5C_zps2552d14a.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/NEW5C_zps2552d14a.jpg.html)

waynieZ

05-19-2014, 02:46 PM

Really looking good Ron. Nice work.

TorqDork

05-20-2014, 12:46 PM

Tried to make the C Pillar accent change a little more realistic and put some color on it..... sort of.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/New8d5_zps18d633fd.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/New8d5_zps18d633fd.jpg.html)

Sieg

05-20-2014, 12:57 PM

Can't wait to see the splitter rendition. :whistling:

aggie91

05-20-2014, 01:26 PM

nice work so far.

Who is making the molds for the fiberglass parts (and then the parts themselves)?

57hemicuda

05-21-2014, 07:02 PM

Haven't totally nailed down the fiberglass guy.Now that the parts are made I have to go back and add a 2" fin to every edge to made the mold a little easier to work with. Using panel adhesive to attach the metal fin. This is a case of you never have enough loose Vise Grips when you need them. What time you save making barely welded parts covered with a lot of mud, you lose making them mold ready.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-875VxsH/0/L/DSC01121-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-sfSbFfh/0/L/DSC01122-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TF2GQft/0/L/DSC01124-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-cNRHM7X/0/L/DSC01123-L.jpg

GregWeld

05-21-2014, 07:33 PM

My son Alex is learning about making things "mold ready".... because their carbon fiber parts have to come out of the mold PERFECT.

Project is coming along nicely Ron!

57hemicuda

05-21-2014, 07:53 PM

I know you had mentioned your son was doing carbon parts. Is he working for someone, or did he start his own shop? I would imagine the learning curve on carbon stuff is tough. I know the pricing on the c/f stuff is way out there, but I know the carbon material is crazy expensive.

Glass is probably way more practical for something you lean on a lot at the track. The carbon is just sooo sexy.

GregWeld

05-21-2014, 10:30 PM

Alex and a buddy started their own company -- WWW.ENLAES.COM -- not a plug by the way.

They don't actually make the product - they have a vendor or two that does that - but they've been getting involved with the modeling process - and the molds - and anything else they can do to learn what the processes are. I don't think they have any interest in the manufacturing part of it... But they should know the craft.

They sold $70K worth of parts last week... so they're starting to get some traction. They've done a couple "co" marketing deals with a couple companies and that seems to be gaining them some "cred".

Hey - they're young - living the good beach life and having some fun - and LEARNING a bunch about doing business! It's way better than what they learned in college!

Ron in SoCal

05-21-2014, 11:07 PM

Alex and a buddy started their own company -- WWW.ENLAES.COM --

They sold $70K worth of parts last week... so they're starting to get some traction. They've done a couple "co" marketing deals with a couple companies and that seems to be gaining them some "cred".

Hey - they're young - living the good beach life and having some fun - and LEARNING a bunch about doing business! It's way better than what they learned in college!

So awesome Greg! Tell Alex :thumbsup: and I wish him the best...

:topic:

57hemicuda

05-22-2014, 05:51 AM

Alex must be a sharp kid, it only takes one time doing composite work to figure out you don't want to be the manufacturer.

If I had a buck for every email I got wanting me to make a Mustang nose or fenders I'd be set, but the thought of cranking out glass parts would make me nuts. I'm trying to get hooked up with a local manufacturer to produce this stuff. The AMC stuff is not something anyone else would want, but if I make Payton's Camaro stuff, (fenders & quarters), I think I could sell the crap out of that stuff.

FETorino

05-22-2014, 12:12 PM

So you're doing the fenders in Carbon right :underchair: :D :D :popcorn2:

57hemicuda

05-22-2014, 12:21 PM

Bite me

FETorino

05-22-2014, 12:36 PM

Bite me

I'll take that as a yes.:D

57hemicuda

05-23-2014, 05:34 AM

You take that how ever you want. :slingshot: Lovin the new avatar.

57hemicuda

05-23-2014, 03:32 PM

I am actually doing drag week in Sept. with my buddy Frank. We are taking his twin turbo 63 ChevyII which runs mid 8's on pump gas. They are doing it in Oklahoma this year, I'm assuming due to the popularity of the Street Outlaws show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIUptYV07Gk&list=UU7sE_0jm1o2gHCp_R3S3HfQ

Just putting it out there, if there are any members in the area for just in case reasons. The car is super consistent and reliable, but no chase/support vehicles are allowed. Have to trailer the slicks, tools, beer, etc.. Hate late night wrenching anymore, but with something like that it is very possible. If anybody is close with a lift etc., I'd appreciate any hospitality.

Thanks, Ron

bonecrrusher

05-23-2014, 07:55 PM

Ron - if your doing drag week - expect late night fixes light every night...

If your not breaking something - your doing it wrong!

I've seen many horror stories of the most random crap breaking...

Not that I've ever done drag week.

57hemicuda

05-24-2014, 06:47 AM

The thing I do like about Drag Week, is you can drive the 250/300 mile run to the track and if the car is consistent, it can lay down one pass and your done. As long as we can lay down 8 sec passes at each venue I think the car will do well in the small block class. (6.0 ls1 iron block) hope it holds up.

Flash68

05-24-2014, 02:34 PM

Now that is a road trip. Sounds like a blast Ron.

You bringing your AMX grill to work on? :headspin:

57hemicuda

05-25-2014, 02:57 PM

AMX grill DONE, in your face Dave!!!! well at least the plug.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-HCsjMGZ/0/L/DSC01126-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-RWLqSsZ/0/L/DSC01125-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-PS7JGRJ/0/L/DSC01127-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-gFR72G5/0/L/DSC01128-L.jpg

57hemicuda

05-26-2014, 05:40 AM

Just thought I would post a contrast picture between the old and the new. Don't know if it was worth all the work for the minor differences, but it does clean it up I think.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-gFR72G5/0/L/DSC01128-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-qXNSr98/0/L/ebay39678-L.jpg

Al Moreno

05-26-2014, 07:00 AM

Wow Ron, that actually a huge difference!!!! Definitely worth the extra work plus not to mention it's very cool.

Sieg

05-26-2014, 07:02 AM

I'd start over.

Just kidding!

Looks great :thumbsup:

GregWeld

05-26-2014, 08:54 AM

You roll into somewhere - like a car show - the whole place stops and watches you.

"not much difference"...... Gitouttahere!

TorqDork

05-27-2014, 12:34 PM

I'd start over.

Just kidding!

Looks great :thumbsup:

Ron, If you do, Here's some AMC ideas. LMAO! First one you could call the Dark Knight.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/d2_zpsdf3a65a8.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/d2_zpsdf3a65a8.jpg.html)

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/yikes1a_zpsabdee753.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/yikes1a_zpsabdee753.jpg.html)

Sieg

05-27-2014, 01:17 PM

:gitrdun: :rofl: :rofl:

57hemicuda

05-27-2014, 04:06 PM

Sieg

05-27-2014, 05:47 PM

Talk about a glutton for punishment!

Well now that you have that done you can start on the Bat Wings.

Besides trendsetting looks they'll make great uprights for a wing.

:thumbsup:

Flash68

05-27-2014, 11:56 PM

Man. All that work and it doesn't even fit a Camaro. :underchair:

fleetus macmullitz

05-28-2014, 02:06 AM

...it'll be just another pretty face Ron. :thumbsup:

:D

57hemicuda

05-28-2014, 05:36 AM

When I'm done with this, I'll weld the edge of a hood on it, and I think its going to have to be some wall art.

Track Junky

05-28-2014, 05:42 AM

Just in case anyone wanted to see the plug just before it gets a mold pulled off of it. Still needs a couple prime and sands, but its made. Get yourself some a dat!!

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Vzfhw9r/0/L/DSC01133-L.jpg

That's some badass chit right there but have to admit the humor is getting good over here.

Fricken bat wings :lmao:

57hemicuda

05-28-2014, 05:49 AM

With the pointy nose on this car, I always thought it looked like the Mach 5 from Speed Racer not the Batmobile.

Track Junky

05-28-2014, 05:58 AM

With the pointy nose on this car, I always thought it looked like the Mach 5 from Speed Racer not the Batmobile.

I'd run with that one buddy.

Those batwings look redonkulous :lol:

mike343sharpstk

05-28-2014, 07:37 PM

Enjoying this build, I put together a 69 javelin using many of the modifications done in the trans am days.
Build here http://www.bangshift.com/forum/forum/bangshift/project-cars-update/3614-mike343sharpstick-s-69-javelin-project/page46

Btw, love the nose update! I've been doing some carbon fiber fabrication and I appreciate the effort just to make the plug!

I'd like to do a more radical build of another javelin at some point, interesting to see how you are updating this monster.

Cheers
Mike:thumbsup:

sokoloka

05-28-2014, 10:21 PM

Such a rad car. Puts a smile on my face every time I see it!

57hemicuda

06-02-2014, 03:43 PM

Everybody is a comedian!! Thanks, Michael

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-VNttpCZ/0/L/bat%20mobile-L.jpg

57hemicuda

06-02-2014, 04:05 PM

So you're doing the fenders in Carbon right :underchair: :D :D :popcorn2:

Dropped the nose off today, talked composites for a couple hours. Funny its only like $75 more to do the parts in carbon over glass. The thing is he didn't recommend using carbon, although most of the parts he had there were carbon. He said real world its not as strong as multiple layer hand laid glass, wear the layers go in opposite directions. A little heaver but way stronger.

What is strongest, and most expensive is Kevlar. So what I am doing is multiple layers of glass, sandwiching Kevlar at in critical areas where the bolts will go through etc.. The most reasonable for the money, but I guess we'll see.

TorqDork

06-03-2014, 10:58 AM

Everybody is a comedian!! Thanks, Michael

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-VNttpCZ/0/L/bat%20mobile-L.jpg

Sorry Ron, couldn't help it :D Forgot the Batman symbol on the door though LOL.

Can't wait to see the nose.

69z

06-06-2014, 09:40 AM

A good start to the changes you want on the rear quarters might be a 68 Camaro panel?http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/1969Muscle/images_zps71807d4b.jpeg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/1969Muscle/media/images_zps71807d4b.jpeg.html)

57hemicuda

06-06-2014, 01:27 PM

Funny how all our minds work the same, with the original design, the 67 Camaro quarter was my first thought. I'm pretty sure Torque had the same idea and used it to aid in his photoshop morphing. I immediately saw it, and apparently you did too.

Unfortunately the new design won't allow anything that easy, the bulges I'm now looking for this are more like a 69 Chevelle quarter. In the end I will probably use the eyebrows I cut off a 71 Javelin, and fabricate the rest.
The cool part is, I'm having molds made of the fenders, nose and quarters, so I could mass produce these cars.

WSSix

06-06-2014, 02:59 PM

Ron, that would be awesome if you were able to mass produce the parts and recoup some money from the build. Good luck with the molds. I think the car is turning out nice.

57hemicuda

06-06-2014, 07:09 PM

It makes me laugh that I even typed that. Mass produced, people didn't flock to these cars when they were new, I truly don't think they will run to them now.

The molds just came about because the parts are so hard to come by, if I wad the car up, I will pay through the nose for panels that I will have to cut up. And I got the car for free, figured the cost of the molds just covered what the car would have cost initially. I do have a parts car that may become Xperimental 2.0.

Sieg

06-06-2014, 08:56 PM

TorqDork

06-07-2014, 11:37 AM

Funny how all our minds work the same, with the original design, the 67 Camaro quarter was my first thought. I'm pretty sure Torque had the same idea and used it to aid in his photoshop morphing. I immediately saw it, and apparently you did too.

All the morphing I did was with the quarter from a '71 to '74 humpster AMX using it's eyebrow.

Below you can see how much that quarter is flared out comparing it to Carl's Camaro.

’73 AMX quarter

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/wh1_zps3e59d965.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/wh1_zps3e59d965.jpg.html)

Carl’s Camaro quarter

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/wh2_zps2986f788.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/wh2_zps2986f788.jpg.html)

TorqDork

07-11-2014, 07:56 PM

Ron,

Where fore Art Thou?

Working on the Quarters???

57hemicuda

07-12-2014, 07:16 PM

Been working on my Mustang getting it ready for Motorstate. Did pick up the nose mold, need to clean it up, and make the fins for the area that bolts it to the fender. The fiberglass guy said it took a full week to get the mold off of my plug, pretty much destroyed the plug doing so.

The fiberglass guy is the only guy I know busier then me, he is running around like a one armed paper hanger. So I decided to make the rails on the nose mold myself, to speed up the process. The parts will come fast out of the mold he promises, so I'll get the mold back Monday or Tuesday.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-R6dpFDx/0/L/DSC01146-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-z2qjtXm/0/L/DSC01148-L.jpg

bonecrrusher

07-14-2014, 08:08 AM

Ron - how did the mold get screwed up?

57hemicuda

07-14-2014, 03:35 PM

The mold didn't get screwed up. The plug stuck to the mold to the point that it took 1 1/2 weeks to get it to eject. When the mold was removed some of the plug was stuck to it.

The fiberglass guy is so swamped, and I want the part so bad, that I picked it up cleaned it, and made the fins for the attachment flange. Made the fins out of aluminum, and powder coated them orange.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-DHWzbZW/0/L/DSC01149-L.jpg

57hemicuda

07-14-2014, 06:31 PM

Got both done and fitted, hopefully I'll get it back tomorrow.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-V5vJdx8/0/L/DSC01155-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-C8KgCWC/0/L/DSC01157-L.jpg

WILWAXU

08-02-2014, 05:01 PM

Fun article:
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/amc-amx-first-true-sports-car-1960s-182544118.html

57hemicuda

08-19-2014, 06:45 PM

Glass nose finally made, detail on this part is exceptional for a fiberglass part. I'm not going to lie I'm pretty proud of this thing, can't wait to get the fenders back.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-6tndB8p/0/L/20140819_150026-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CfdSm5p/0/L/20140819_150001-L.jpg

waynieZ

08-19-2014, 09:54 PM

It looks sweet ! Nice job!!

Sieg

08-19-2014, 11:48 PM

Is it installed yet? http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/DirtDOG.gif

57hemicuda

08-20-2014, 06:15 AM

Well, I'm gearing up for Drag Week, so I don't see alot getting done here anytime soon. Here is the progression from plug to mold to part. Fiberglass guy seemed pretty happy with how part turned out, he said this was one of the most complex detailed plugs he ever worked with. I told him 4 gallons of Bondo turned me into Michelangelo. I was sculpting, and sanding my a$$ off, my finger prints took 3 weeks to show back up.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-3x3WgcF/0/L/DSC01129-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-26BgtXb/0/L/DSC01147-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CfdSm5p/0/L/20140819_150001-L.jpg

1coolC2

08-20-2014, 09:30 AM

Ron,

Great looking part!! Getting glass that nice is no easy job. Have you considered building a Vette?? :buttkick:

R/
Jeff

65_LS1_T56

08-20-2014, 09:37 AM

Ron,

Great looking part!! Getting glass that nice is no easy job. Have you considered building a Vette?? :buttkick:

R/
Jeff

:lmao:

57hemicuda

08-20-2014, 09:47 AM

Cough cough/ a$$ hole/ cough cough

Jtomas801

08-21-2014, 12:32 AM

The nose piece came out real nice, I would love to have that for my Javelin but it probably wouldn't line up with my stock fenders. Keep up the good work.:gitrdun:

Jon

mike343sharpstk

08-21-2014, 12:45 PM

The nose piece came out real nice, I would love to have that for my Javelin but it probably wouldn't line up with my stock fenders. Keep up the good work.:gitrdun:

Jon
I was thinking the same thing for my javelin.:thumbsup: But with all the changes I already have in the works, I sure don't need to add more to the 'things-to-change' list!

Rick D

08-23-2014, 05:48 AM

Nice work on the nose job Ron!! If you day job doesn't work out you could always go into making plugs for glass :idea:

How about some Vett parts?? Jeff and Aaron would buy them from you!!

GonHuntin

08-23-2014, 09:34 AM

Are you running drag week?? If so, what car??

I'll be there for the Tulsa events, not sure if I'll make any of the other stops.

57hemicuda

08-23-2014, 11:01 AM

Yeah, my buddy Frank and I are taking his twin turbo, LS powered 63 Chevy II. I'm sure we will be the only Pro Touring type car on 18's running mid 8's, should be a hoot. One more thing off the bucket list.LOL

GonHuntin

08-23-2014, 03:50 PM

I'll be looking for it.

Al Moreno

08-23-2014, 05:04 PM

[QUOTE=57hemicuda;566573] Fiberglass guy seemed pretty happy with how part turned out, he said this was one of the most complex detailed plugs he ever worked with. I told him 4 gallons of Bondo turned me into Michelangelo. I was sculpting, and sanding my a$$ off, my finger prints took 3 weeks to show back up.

Hey Ron that's is some bad a$$ work right there and tremendous work ethics.

Nonhog

11-18-2014, 12:15 PM

Yeah, my buddy Frank and I are taking his twin turbo, LS powered 63 Chevy II. I'm sure we will be the only Pro Touring type car on 18's running mid 8's, should be a hoot.

pics? Nova.

And loving the build! Updates? I have been thinking just the opposite of what your doing with the front buldge fenders, removing them on a 72.
I am amazed at how well it works on your car, looks great! Probably because it sits so low.

Cool car! subscribed.

KSBRKTRACER

11-19-2014, 09:05 AM

57hemicuda

11-19-2014, 05:23 PM

We were in the super shiny copper 63 ChevyII. Car ended with a best pass on the last day, 8.51

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Other/Drag-Week/i-423fhvQ/0/L/20140908_130923-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Other/Drag-Week/i-43GnLpx/0/L/IMG_225114457041672-L.jpg

bonecrrusher

12-03-2014, 03:01 PM

Bad ass looking nova!

grendel

12-24-2014, 04:49 PM

Yeah Justin, I've already stated how much I hate body work, and all that comes with it. After looking at the picture I posted, I had to walk back out and look at the car. In the pic it looked like the top fin on the fender had a wiggle in it. It didn't, just a shadow where the metal was exposed :drowninga: . Still have to cut the headlight bezel back off the fender before the fiberglassing can take place. Funny I cut 3" out of that fender in front of the front wheel openings, and the nose still looks long.

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-TkpT68K/0/L/DSC01084-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-CMJRVXs/0/L/DSC01083-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-nDXhvP4/0/L/DSC01052-L.jpg

I love this look. If you ever get rid of it, I want a whack at it.

waynieZ

12-24-2014, 11:32 PM

It's looking good.Your doing an amazing job!

Gammaboy

03-29-2015, 10:27 PM

Hey Ron, any progress?

no go nova

03-30-2015, 10:36 PM

X2 lets get this bad boy rolling.

waynieZ

03-31-2015, 07:46 AM

I love the Nova.

57hemicuda

04-17-2015, 07:08 PM

Totally stupid, but hey that's me. Bought this old military truck to plow out the driveway after the bad winter we had. So while I'm supposed to be working on the AMX, I'm tinkering with this 1954 dodge M37.

Narrow Dually Dana 60's so I could run HumVee bead lock wheels and tires, and to upgrade the brakes. I am installing a big block Chrysler 383, TF727, and 205 transfer case. Almost done, was putting the oil pan on tonight, and just couldn't leave it alone. Can't believe Chrysler never put any baffles in the 4x4 truck factory pan. So I had to. What is wrong with me?

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-xhF7D35/0/L/20150414_170120-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-G832hWp/0/L/20150417_155252-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-xHZkbJ4/0/L/20150417_155246-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-QVncTVP/0/L/20150417_202106-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-h59k3Lq/0/L/20150213_153730-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-Xv3tNQx/0/L/20150303_154041-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-9pjxJCv/0/L/IMG_20150410_193758-L.jpg

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-PnwbJLX/0/L/IMG_20150412_181719-L.jpg

Hotrod1

04-17-2015, 07:43 PM

You have the illness.

dontlifttoshift

04-17-2015, 08:17 PM

What is wrong with me?

Since you asked and you can't actually do this :computer: here is my diagnosis.

In just this post, I found five things.

AMX

Chrysler 383

4x4 truck

HumVee

dodge M37

:peepwall:

jarhead

04-17-2015, 09:04 PM

The love of a challenge :king:

57hemicuda

04-18-2015, 06:15 AM

Donny, those things are the cure not the disease.

The disease is in my head, it involves a long list of vehicles, that I must have before I die. Lets face it I'm 50, I need to hurry up, its a long list. Tick-Tock.

The way I see it, the only real cure is to remove the diseased area, with maybe a samurai sword or meat cleaver or something of that nature. We all have our crosses to bare, I'm just going to have to live with this one.

dontlifttoshift

04-18-2015, 08:05 AM

Preaching to the choir, brother. breakin your bawls because mopar......

We should drink and make a list of cool cars to build, power wagons aren't on mine but I don't think '41 Cadillac made your list either.

:lol:

57hemicuda

04-18-2015, 08:46 AM

True dat!!!

grendel

04-18-2015, 06:57 PM

I love both projects... I really want a Dodge W53 Carry All.

Have a 4BT Cummins for it, just waiting for a home.

57hemicuda

04-19-2015, 01:22 PM

WC53 is my dream truck, I do also have a WM300 with an old school Hemi

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-fKX3bKH/0/L/power%20wagon%20002-L.jpg

grendel

04-19-2015, 02:44 PM

WC53 is my dream truck, I do also have a WM300 with an old school Hemi

http://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-fKX3bKH/0/L/power%20wagon%20002-L.jpg

Me too. I found one, but it's 18K, which is about 8K more than I want to spend on a body and frame. Everything else would be replaced to be more streetable... and WWII aficionados everywhere would cry.

I love the Power Wagon. I want one of those, too. Love the rounded Civvy cab with the big flat fenders.

turnhard

08-19-2015, 06:37 PM

https://www.google.com/search?q=v10+mustang+ii&client=ms-android-att-us&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMI5cjLuLS2xwIVzz6ICh0UKwt-&biw=360&bih=615&dpr=4#imgrc=Eh8AgzOsrdmN6M%3A

I saw this mustang II and thought of your car. Any progress? Kevin

57hemicuda

09-15-2015, 07:31 PM

Just drug this thing out of moth balls, hoping I can stay the course.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-tWKT6rF/0/L/20150915_192517-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-B2vSKnJ/0/L/20150915_192014-L.jpg

asifnyc

09-15-2015, 08:27 PM

Yes! Been waiting ages over here :thankyou:

57hemicuda

09-19-2015, 05:56 PM

Starting to fit nose, and get fenders ready to pull molds. Looks pretty funky.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-qp55QG6/0/L/20150305_145516-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-FpTFwC5/0/L/20150305_145454-L.jpg

fleetus macmullitz

09-23-2015, 07:30 AM

Starting to fit nose, and get fenders ready to pull molds. Looks pretty funky.

Looks good 'Good Ron' aka #builds'emFunkyguy

:D

qe1ScoePqVA

1coolC2

09-24-2015, 10:55 AM

Ron,

You are taking WAY too long on this build. What happen to just bolting some parts on and just running it? You were supposed to have this thing done 2 freaking years ago for Motorstate! You should try focusing on one project at a time slick :poke:

65_LS1_T56

09-24-2015, 11:14 AM

1coolC2

09-24-2015, 12:42 PM

Oh, did I miss it?? Is the Nova done "already" Jeff? :mock:

Uhhh...... yeah, sort of.

Actually that statement is a description of me, but I thought it applied to Ron as well lol. Motorstate 2016 here we come...ha ha

65_LS1_T56

09-24-2015, 12:58 PM

Uhhh...... yeah, sort of.

Actually that statement is a description of me, but I thought it applied to Ron as well lol. Motorstate 2016 here we come...ha ha

Haha, yeah a got what you were saying...can't wait to see both of your guys cars out there! Now, get to it :thumbsup:

57hemicuda

09-24-2015, 07:18 PM

Sieg

09-24-2015, 10:03 PM

I think it's more like the 'taunternet' in your case. :D

1coolC2

09-25-2015, 08:20 AM

Go ahead, kick a man while he's down. If you guys knew the cars and trucks I've built, or helped build in the in between time, you'd leave me alone. But I guess if your going to start a build, and post it on the "internet", you need to finish it.

I am on it boys. LOL Other then the addition I am putting on the house, my business, finishing up a few other builds, my wife, 4 kids, now 2 grandkids, this thing has my full attention.

Ron Sutton has all my pick points, and his genius is at work as we speak. Will make his tweaks as soon as I have them. Then its guns a blazing.

Ron,
My point exactly brother!! I was cracking up writing that comment thinking about how retarded I am having so many car projects going on, building a new house....and oh yeah, a job that will probably kill me long before I finish any of it. If I ever get around to resuming work on my 65 Corvette coupe project, it will take me a week to remove everything piled on top of it and a leaf blower to blow all the dust and debris just to recognize it. BTW, I think my Nova build thread was last updated before it was running...way to stay on top of it lol. I just find it easier to screw around on your post busting your balls :lmao:

Jeff

rustomatic

01-22-2016, 11:51 AM

When you get a chance, let's see some firewall. I'm dyin' for some firewall . . .:poke:

pokey64

01-22-2016, 05:48 PM

57hemicuda

01-23-2016, 05:45 AM

House addition is finally winding down, and there is a blizzard out side my door. Perfect weekend to give this poor car some love.

I will do some plowing with the Dodge M37 I built, fire the heat up in the garage and start working. Will have some kind of build pics posted by the end of the weekend.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-hGJvdvW/0/L/20150909_183357-L.jpg

Flash68

01-23-2016, 12:12 PM

That Dodge is just so dang kewl. Pics with snow plow attachment please.

WILWAXU

01-23-2016, 01:49 PM

I enjoy following your builds Ron. Saw another chubby fender AMX in a local car mag yesterday and thought of your car. Here's some motivation courtesy Roger Burman and crew at Lakeside Rods and Rides.

Lots more pics on the article page.
http://themotormarket.com/magazine/january-2016/2016-winterfest-of-wheelsThat thing is AWESOME!

57hemicuda

01-23-2016, 04:05 PM

We are up to 36" of snow, it is a BMF snow plowing machine Dave.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/photos/i-QHVD2c4/0/L/i-QHVD2c4-L.jpg

GNon18s

01-23-2016, 05:04 PM

I click on Rons build threads, look at a bunch of cool ****, then have to go back and read the title because I forgot what the thread was about! Ron needs his own forum.

Yelcamino

01-23-2016, 05:06 PM

We are up to 36" of snow, it is a BMF snow plowing machine Dave.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/photos/i-QHVD2c4/0/L/i-QHVD2c4-L.jpg

Even though so much snow sucks, having that thing for a plow almost makes it worth it Ron!

lebowski

01-24-2016, 04:44 AM

Is that you Ron?

57hemicuda

01-24-2016, 05:23 AM

All I can say is thank goodness I went with the big block with my snow removal equipment, because this is some heavy snow. I was this close to installing a 4BT Cummins, but remembered how hard they are to start when the weather is this cold, big block FTW. I love it when a plan comes together.

Build thread off the M37 Site
http://www.g741.org/PHPBB/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7226

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-BDHZfjT/0/L/20150425_130848-L.jpg

rustomatic

01-24-2016, 12:55 PM

Thanks for posting the link to the M37 build--it's fun to see what happens when Ron S. shows up on another site and blows everyone away (again). The truck is killer!

This just (unfortunately) pushes me closer to my stupid Willys pickup idea . . .:getout:

57hemicuda

01-24-2016, 06:20 PM

In between plow runs I did get a few minutes to play. Changing the rear suspension to a decoupled 3 link per Ron Suttons suggestion. Payton says I should change the thread name to RS squared. LOL

Got main chassis mounts made, still have to trim them up, and make them sexy looking.

Have to get the housing mounts made, the Dana 60 is going to make that difficult, but not impossible. Just nice to be working on this thing again.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/photos/i-Dk3qjC4/0/L/i-Dk3qjC4-L.jpg

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GregWeld

01-24-2016, 07:56 PM

We are up to 36" of snow, it is a BMF snow plowing machine Dave.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/photos/i-QHVD2c4/0/L/i-QHVD2c4-L.jpg

WELCOME TO MY WORLD --- difference being WE WANT THE SNOW!!! LOL

grendel

01-27-2016, 06:20 AM

I really want one of these to go with my modified AMC Jeeps and Hornet.

fleetus macmullitz

01-27-2016, 07:22 AM

I enjoy following your builds Ron. Saw another chubby fender AMX in a local car mag yesterday and thought of your car. Here's some motivation courtesy Roger Burman and crew at Lakeside Rods and Rides.

http://themotormarket.com/media/images/large/amx22.jpg

http://themotormarket.com/media/images/large/amx16.jpg

Lots more pics on the article page.
http://themotormarket.com/magazine/january-2016/2016-winterfest-of-wheels

Thanks for posting. :cool:

House addition is finally winding down, and there is a blizzard out side my door. Perfect weekend to give this poor car some love.

I will do some plowing with the Dodge M37 I built, fire the heat up in the garage and start working. Will have some kind of build pics posted by the end of the weekend.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-hGJvdvW/0/L/20150909_183357-L.jpg

We are up to 36" of snow, it is a BMF snow plowing machine Dave.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/photos/i-QHVD2c4/0/L/i-QHVD2c4-L.jpg

Ron being Ron>snow

waynieZ

01-27-2016, 11:10 AM

Sweet plow rig.

57hemicuda

01-27-2016, 06:22 PM

Got a little more time to start fitting this setup. Weird I don't think I will have to move one bar to make it work. Still a fair amount of trimming to do, but its getting closer.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-hX4bq4S/0/L/20160127_194308-L.jpg

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GregWeld

01-27-2016, 07:53 PM

Fab54

Lol

57hemicuda

01-28-2016, 04:59 PM

Slowly pecking at it, loving the, torque arm / decoupled 3 link combo in this car. You know I'm going to try them both. I will post driving impressions of both when it's done.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-mQgzLqk/0/L/20160128_182057-L.jpg

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waynieZ

01-28-2016, 05:58 PM

The designing and work your putting into this is amazing. Very Nice.

57hemicuda

01-29-2016, 02:23 PM

Housing brackets semi-fitted, wanted to have at least one of the brackets land on an axle tube. The housing is cast steel and is weldable, but makes me feel better with one on the tube. Still have alot of gussets to make up for the brackets, but its still cleaner then I thought it would be.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-cTmSPb5/0/L/20160129_155714-L.jpg

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57hemicuda

01-30-2016, 02:12 PM

Their obviously aren't near enough bars in this car, so I figured it needed at least a few more. Boom!!

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-m9RNCS3/0/L/20160130_155524-L.jpg

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57hemicuda

02-07-2016, 08:40 AM

Rear mounts are pretty much made, Just got the front numbers this weekend. So outcome the sawzall and plasma cutter. I see a lot of time wasted with me in a chair trying to figure a cool way to make these LCA mounts.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-K26SkNR/0/L/20160206_182754-L.jpg

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Flash68

02-07-2016, 12:37 PM

Hey Ron

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Sieg

02-07-2016, 03:08 PM

Why'd the thought cross my mind that someone always wanted a Jungle Gym when they were a kid and never got one? :sieg:

57hemicuda

02-07-2016, 06:40 PM

Have to move the LCA mounts up about an inch, so I made mounts that would not only support the engine, but also retain the lower control arms. I'll hopefully get the brackets finished tomorrow.

As far as the Jungle Gym goes, I have to agree, I fear I will weld myself into a cage. LOL

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-MM7wt8q/0/L/20160207_163447-L.jpg

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Sieg

02-09-2016, 08:13 AM

Looking good..........keep a tether attached to your plasma cutter within reach. :thumbsup:

57hemicuda

02-12-2016, 04:46 PM

Got the rear LCA mount made, pretty happy with it, having a little trouble figuring a sexy way to do the front mounts. My creativity is going to have to be coaxed along with cheap beer, a chair and some classic rock. Figure I will stare at it for an hour or so, and hope something pops into my head.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-6nsvGV9/0/L/20160212_173137-L.jpg

Ron Sutton

02-13-2016, 11:16 AM

65_LS1_T56

02-13-2016, 01:48 PM

:lol:

That's how some of my best ideas were created.

:cheers:

I noticed that you did NOT highlight "cheap" though Mr. Sutton!:lol:

57hemicuda

02-13-2016, 08:23 PM

That just means he comes up with more expensive ideas. When you swill the cheap stuff like me, everything revolves around duct tape.

57hemicuda

02-14-2016, 02:45 PM

Finishing up the rear mounts, Dailey dry sump allows me to run a tie bar across the two mounts, made it removable just in case I don't always have that engine. The bad part about the Dailey system is the oil pump hit the engine mount badly, so I had to cut it off of the frame. Next on the list is building a new passenger side mount, and engine bracket. I have a game plan for the fronts, we will see if it has the cool factor or not.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-cSTMjL9/0/L/20160214_142839-L.jpg

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65_LS1_T56

02-15-2016, 10:37 AM

Ron Sutton

02-15-2016, 11:54 AM

I noticed that you did NOT highlight "cheap" though Mr. Sutton!:lol:

No ... life's too short for cheap beer. LOL

:cheers:

57hemicuda

02-15-2016, 05:04 PM

Motor set back in with dry sump pan and pump. Absolutely no room for a motor mount on the passenger side. I want it to be easy to get the motor in and out, Greg suggested a motor plate, but I feel like I'm to far along. I got an idea but we'll see how it works out. The adapter I made to fit the mismatched pan and pump worked out pretty good.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-VX7r9hR/0/L/20160215_180635-L.jpg

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TorqDork

02-16-2016, 05:26 PM

57hemicuda

02-16-2016, 07:07 PM

Cool car, definitely has a different look then mine. Hips are in!!

Did figure a way to sneak a motor mount between the headers and dry sump pump. Did it opposite the drivers side, put bushing on motor bracket rather then frame. Hangs way below dry sump pan, so bolts are easy to get out.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-QpvDQhK/0/L/20160216_204218-L.jpg

57hemicuda

02-17-2016, 03:33 PM

Another couple brackets made, only 100 more to go. Proud of the center bracket that doubles as a control arm and a motor mount bracket. Now I get to start on the front of the control arms, yippee. Thanks, Ron Sutton LOL

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-mF3fkHz/0/L/20160217_162847-L.jpg

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preston

02-17-2016, 03:37 PM

57hemicuda

02-17-2016, 03:44 PM

I retained the C6 stuff, just has his crazy Mo Jo on it. Saw that setup also, a lot of circle track stuff uses a similar arrangement. It obviously works, I think guys like us just overbuild everything. Sometimes less is more. LOL

Ron Sutton

02-17-2016, 03:56 PM

Are you building new Sutton style "Long" control arms or more of a standard A-arm ?

I've been looking at those Ron Sutton control arms and cannot believe its a good design to have the LBJ hanging out there unsupport/triangulated, but he obviously knows what he's doing.

Hey Preston,

Ron is not changing the control arms on his AMX creation. He is just moving the existing arms to locations to achieve optimum geometry. In his case, as a very talented fabricator, he made cool new mounts.

You are correct in being concerned about the Lower Ball Joint being un-supported. I have seen a lot of LCA designs that looked like they would fail ... and did. The simplest way to make them strong is to triangulate them at the LBJ with both tubes of the LCA. But that doesn't allow us to push the hub/spindle combo deep into the wheel for low to zero scrub radius.

In designing LCA's & suspensions with low or zero scrub radius ... we need to make the front part of the LCA go deep into the wheel. And the tube or strut rod that attaches to the front LCA & triangulates it ... needs to support the LCA out as close to the LBJ as possible ... while still providing high clearance for the wheel to turn. It's a challenge.

The solution is make everything stronger 3 ways with higher grade material, thicker material & optimized design. Where a lot of LCAs are made of 1"-1-1/8" x .095" DOM ... and some .125" DOM ... to make our Track-Star GT LCAs strong enough, we had to increase the diameter to 1.250" ... up the material to 4130 Chromoly ... and use .125" wall thickness in the main tube of the LCA & the Strut rod. The LCA itself still needed more strength, so we increased its strength massively with a triangulated brace support the full length of the LCA ... made from 1" x 2" x .125" wall steel tubing. All TIG welded of course. Lastly ... the strut rod connection needs to go out as close to the LBJ as possible. I designed a clevis mount out of .156" steel that attaches the strut rod closer inward for tire clearance, but extends the support to within 4" of the LBJ. None of this would work if we used the typical 1"-1-1/8" x .095" DOM tubing & didn't add the long 1" x 2" support.

:cheers:

57hemicuda

02-18-2016, 04:10 AM

With the headers back in, it almost looks factory. Only cooler. LOL

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-gPQQ4bJ/0/L/20160217_191730-L.jpg

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preston

02-18-2016, 08:43 AM

Thanks for the info Mr. Sutton.
I still have a few more questions about this design but I don't want to muddy up Mr. Schwarz's thread. Is there another active Sutton thread we could take this to or PM ?
I am thinking of engaging your services but I want to make sure I can accomodate certain things before I make that effort.

Looks like fun stuff you're doing here Mr. Schwarz. Its never fun working around the dry sump pump. LIke you I have resisted using motor plates in my case for for NVH reasons. But I'm only using a 3 stage pump which helps, but I"m envious of that Daily setup, as you don't have hoses snaking everywhere around the pump.

57hemicuda

02-18-2016, 06:45 PM

Yeah I thought I made a score when I picked up the pan for $400 and then found a brand new pump for $600. I was so excited until I noticed the one wouldn't bolt to the other. Called Dailey, they said they weren't compatible, the pan was off a Daytona Prototype, used a small pump. The pump was Nascar stuff, which used a big pump. It was physically to large, and would hit the block . He suggested I ditch them, and buy a new system.

You know I couldn't do that. Luckily my buddy Scott is a pretty good machinist, and a big car guy. So I built an adapter, the bad part was, it had to be shaped like a wedge so the big pump would be canted away from the block. Pump had round ports, pan had square. Bill Dailey said it couldn't be done, "challenge excepted". It was a PITA. What Bill probably meant was, no one in their right mind would go through that much trouble, just buy a new system. It would have broke my heart for those two phenomenal parts to be setting on a shelf, collecting dust. At least this way they get used, and I have a Dailey system with a new pump for about a grand.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-2hFdgjF/0/L/20150921_142936-L.jpg

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rustomatic

02-19-2016, 02:24 PM

Something ridiculously awesome always pops up in threads where the Rons are involved. We have a great engineering equation here:

(I have these really cool parts.) + (I want them to go together.) - (You can't do that!) = Watch this!

Just for this, I will do my best to not ask Ron Sutton any (extremely) basic (stupid) questions at the Thunderhill USCA thing . . . maybe.

Win!

Flash68

02-19-2016, 02:27 PM

57hemicuda

02-19-2016, 04:48 PM

The Ron's, that makes me laugh. The RS squared build, as Payton likes to call it. Have enjoyed working with RS, kind of nice to feel confident that the information given is correct, and I can go in guns blazing, with no fear of a cluster in my future. at least not where his design work is concerned.

Did get the front side of the control arm semi-figured out, built a crossmember out of 2x2, welded in sleeves, then washers, holesawed the crap out of it, then installed. Not only did it fit, but it was 0.0 with my digital level. Even a blind squirrel.....

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-dHKtnkK/0/L/20160219_162640-L.jpg

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Ron Sutton

02-19-2016, 05:13 PM

Looking great Ron !

:cheers:

Sieg

02-19-2016, 07:12 PM

Stellar Ron, you too Ron. :captain1:

GregWeld

02-19-2016, 07:26 PM

..... and he keeps plugging away!!

RS2

Ron Sutton

02-20-2016, 09:04 AM

Hey Guys,

Over on Pro-Touring.com some guys on Ron Schwarz' thread were questioning running a Decoupled 3-Link on the street, so I shared an in-depth explanation of the Decoupled 3-Link traits. I thought I post the same tech here ... in case anyone reading along had similar questions.

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Hey Everyone ... those of you posting & those of you reading along ...

I figured I'd jump on here real quick and clear up some things on the Decoupled 3-Link. I describe them as the most tunable, highest grip rear suspension linkage available for solid axle race cars.

Race cars. :)

I'll get the street usage thing out of the way first, then discuss why Decoupled 3-Links work so well. I don't think of a Decoupled 3-Link as a street car suspension. It can be driven on the street ... just like race cars are driven on the street. But if someone was building a "driver" or what I think of a typical "Pro Touring" car they plan to drive primarily on the street ... and rarely or occasionally run autocross or track days ... I would not suggest a decoupled 3-link. The issue would be poor ride quality. On smooth roads, the ride quality will be fine. On typical bumpy roads the ride would be noticeably harsher. Hitting big potholes ... or tall speed bumps at speed ... would be the worst ... because the suspension can not travel straight up or down very far .. with low/no throttle. It doesn't go into a bind per se. It's just the spring rate from the bushings (2 red ones in this photo) in the Decel system goes up exponentially when the both tires push straight up equally when off throttle. On throttle ... it can move up & down freely ... because the Accel bushings (blue in this photo) are compressed ... and the Decel bushings (red) are not loaded at all.

What the decoupled system allows ... is for the rear end to articulate plenty within the chassis. So if a car with a Decoupled 3-Link drives on a normal street with occasional bumps ... each side can absorb the bumps it hits pretty much like any other suspension. If the bump is huge ... and hit at speed ... the compression amount would be great enough to get into the higher spring rate in the Accel/Decel system. So it would be more harsh than a other rear suspension styles. To summarize ... a Decoupled 3-Link rides fine on smooth roads, feels rougher on rough roads & would be very harsh driven over large potholes or speed bumps at speed.

So again, I would NOT recommend a Decoupled 3-Link for anyone building a "driver" or typical "Pro Touring" car they plan to drive primarily on the street. But Ron Schwarz is not building a cruiser. Neither are all my other clients that have chosen to go the Decoupled 3-Link route. I would call them "Very Mean Street Legal" cars or "Race Cars with License Plates." I suspect they WILL drive them on the street ... to the track or event they're going to. But each learned about the possible harshness ... as well as the advantages of the Decoupled 3-Link ... before choosing them.

Now if they want to drive them on the street & be comfortable ... the car can quickly be converted away from Decoupled 3-Links. With 3-bolts, they can replace the the Accel/Decel system with a regular top link. Then it will ride like any 3-link, 4-link, torque-arm car. In Ron Schwarz' case, he is also keeping the Torque Arm mounts, so he can compare them. I can't wait for that. :)

The reasons to go to a Decoupled 3-Link in these cars ... as the PT genre evolves more & more toward race car technology ... is the superior track performance. If a person can tolerate the car riding rougher to be bad ass on track ... it is worthy of considering. or if they're ok making the switch I mentioned ... with 3-bolts make it a normal 3-link ... and viola ... normal street ride. Before I go into the advantages of the Decoupled 3-Link ... it's important to understand what parts of the rear suspension affects the handling in the different parts of the corner.

Let's break driving the corner down into the 3 parts:
1. Corner entry ... where the driver is braking, then turning into the corner (and continuing to brake).
2. The "Roll Through Zone" where the driver steps off the brakes & lets the car "roll" through the corner ... before picking the throttle up.
3. Corner exit ... where the driver picks up the throttle & starts unwinding the steering wheel coming out of the corner.

* Some people ... even relatively experienced PT drivers ... don't recognize this "Roll Through Zone" concept because when they step off the brakes in their car, the front end shoots up (lifts) ... instantly causing the car to push. So they don't allow a "Roll Through Zone." They stay on the brakes all the way to the point they need to pick up the throttle. This is not ideal, as using the brakes to keep the front end down scrubs off way more speed. In professional racing, we use special shock pistons, bleeds & valving to keep the front end down ... when the driver lifts off the brake ... so the car can roll and keep higher cornering speed ... versus continued deceleration from constant braking.

Ok. Time to shine some light on the rear suspension functionality. The choice of rear suspension type ... 3-Link, 4-Link, Torque Arm, Truck Arm, 19-Link, etc ... has NO effect on the car's handling in the Roll Through Zone. I know. What ??? And ... the anti-squat percentage, instant center location, length of arm, etc, etc ... have NO effect on the car's handling in the Roll Through Zone. The suspension linkage acts as a mechanical lever when torque is applied. There is no torque being applied to the rear end (or rear suspension) in the Roll Through Zone. No brake torque & no engine torque.

So what affects the car's rear grip in the Roll Through Zone? A lot.
Tire width
Tire Contact Patch
Tire Camber
Tire compound (softness/bite)
Spring Rate
Sway Bar Rate
Weight Mass (rear specifically)
CG
Roll Center
Track Width
Shock Valving

... just not the suspension linkage.

I hear someone asking ... as happens at the workshops ... "So Ron, what does the rear suspension linkage ... and it's settings like anti-squat percentage, instant center location, length of arm, etc, ... affect?" Everything to do with corner entry ... before the Roll Through Zone ... and everything to do with corner exit ... after the Roll Through Zone. So when we're choosing a rear suspension linkage ... and setting it up ... our focus needs to be on getting into the corner ... and out of the corner ... the quickest way possible.

With a torque arm, regular 3-Link, 4-Link, truck arm, etc ... the instant center location defines the swing arm length & anti-squat percentage of the rear suspension.
* If we move the instant center location closer or up ... we are increasing the loading on the tires for increased corner exit grip ... but decreasing the loading on the rear tires for decreased corner entry grip.
* If we move the instant center location forward and/or down ... we are decreasing the loading on the tires for decreased corner exit grip ... but increasing the loading on the rear tires for increased corner entry grip.
* It is ALWAYS a compromise. So knowledgeable tuners/builders choose their rear suspension weapon & set it up appropriately to have the best compromise they think will produce the quickest laps ... or in some cases ... will provide the feel the driver wants. (Some drivers are ok with a loose car on exit but not entry & vice versa.)

This is where the Decoupled 3-Link can out perform every other solid axle rear suspension. There doesn't have to be a compromise with a Decoupled 3-Link. The Decel link can be set where the car has amazing corner entry grip to drive in deep ... see Elvis ... and then brake safely with full grip. The Accel link can be set where the car has amazing corner exit grip ... to roll the throttle on quicker & harder ... and giddy up out of the corner better than any other set-up. The Decoupled 3-Link is so good many racing sanctioning bodies outlawed them back in the 90's. But we don't have to follow those rules in the PT, Optima, Good Guys, track Car world. :)

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Some Racing Sanctioning bodies still allow Decoupled 3-Links ... as long as there is no damper as part of the design. With good reason. When we add a damper (shock) with the right valving & response rate ... the grip is amazing. It calms the car down when accelerating full throttle out of the corner & smooths out the gear shifts. It makes a high powered race car ... easier to drive fast.

And ... if we utilize a double adjustable shock ... and make the shock cable adjustable from the driver cockpit ... the driver can tune the rear suspension to any track conditions in an instant. Need more rear grip on exit? Turn the Accel knob one way. Too much rear grip on exit (pushing)? Turn the knob the other way. Need more rear grip on corner entry under hard braking? Turn the Decel knob one way. Too much rear grip on corner entry ? Turn the knob the other way. No climbing under the car to tune it. Grab a handful of rear grip whenever you need it. Give some back if you got greedy.

:cheers:

57hemicuda

02-20-2016, 09:16 PM

Great stuff Ron. Got the crossmember finished and welded in today. Still need to cut off the old stuff, and double shear the control arm. I was using the old stuff as a point of reference, or it would have been gone already.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-6KQMbST/0/L/20160220_120410-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-PT55Wh8/0/L/20160220_124203-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-MRZXRMB/1/L/20160220_131654-L.jpg

57hemicuda

02-24-2016, 04:06 AM

Torquedork just posted this over on PT. I am kind of digging the Mark Donahue spoiler, what do you think?

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rgMzXQ5/0/L/amx%20with%20spoiler-L.jpg

MSTSFabbed

02-24-2016, 06:41 AM

Torquedork just posted this over on PT. I am kind of digging the Mark Donahue spoiler, what do you think?

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rgMzXQ5/0/L/amx%20with%20spoiler-L.jpg

YEEEESSSS!! That works so nicely with the front flares and curves! Awesome work as per usual good sir!

TorqDork

02-24-2016, 12:49 PM

Yeah Ron. Spoiler examples. The Orange 1970 version will fit your car.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/NEW6_zpsccc05c10.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/NEW6_zpsccc05c10.jpg.html)

Managed to add it to this shot I tweaked with the tweaked quarters.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/RON_zpsbgx8dg63.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/RON_zpsbgx8dg63.jpg.html)

FaBrycation

02-24-2016, 01:18 PM

I'm liking this build. Good stuff

TorqDork

02-24-2016, 03:51 PM

Ron, keep thinking as long as it's taking you to build this car, by the time you're finished, everyone will be racing one of these. LMAO

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/jetson1_zpshmqw9zy0.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/jetson1_zpshmqw9zy0.jpg.html)

57hemicuda

02-24-2016, 06:13 PM

I am only one guy, with a big family and 10 cars. Its a wonder I get anything done. I did get my uppers moved, wwwaayy easier then the lowers, I just had to redrill the holes into the Sutton special place. I welded 1"x1/4" fat bar to the outside of the control arm mounts, just to give some support with the holes the close together.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-RMjwjjh/0/L/20160224_190509-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-c9th4q2/0/L/20160224_190533-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/PW/i-X4C9cCD/0/L/20160224_192920-L.jpg

TorqDork

02-24-2016, 07:51 PM

I am only one guy, with a big family and 10 cars. Its a wonder I get anything done.

Just teasing you Ron. Keep up the good work.

"Frankenstude" took 7 years to complete. When I wrote the article, I used the phrase from "Young Frankenstein"...... "OH Sweet Mystery of Life at Last We've Found You". LOL

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/frk_zps7fnwcrku.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/frk_zps7fnwcrku.jpg.html)

57hemicuda

02-29-2016, 03:12 PM

Holy wheel travel Batman, that tire is hitting everything in the Batcave. A lot of work to do here.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-vh9VxW9/0/L/20160229_155315-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-N47QstF/0/L/20160229_154553-L.jpg

65_LS1_T56

02-29-2016, 03:42 PM

Holy wheel travel Batman, that tire is hitting everything in the Batcave. A lot of work to do here.
https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-N47QstF/0/L/20160229_154553-L.jpg

Tuckin' some tars! :cheers:

57hemicuda

02-29-2016, 06:53 PM

At ride height it doesn't look so crazy, from droop to full compression, it has 6.5" of travel. Is all up into the sheetmetal, hope I can pull this off.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-kGjWmsx/0/L/20160229_174514-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-VZPQrMJ/0/L/20160229_184132-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-HRzHLzq/0/L/20160229_190319-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-kQDG9h5/0/L/20160229_190931-L.jpg

onelapduster

03-01-2016, 11:30 PM

wheel turning issues means one thing: vehicle purpose change. Make it a land racing missile with a TT LSX.

Looking forward to seeing how you make this work. :headscratch:

Sieg

03-01-2016, 11:36 PM

Bump stops are your friend Ronnieson.

57hemicuda

03-02-2016, 03:52 AM

I will be running bump stops, but if I don't get every inch of travel available to me, My teacher, Mr. Sutton will smack me on the back of the hand with a ruler.:twak:

1coolC2

03-02-2016, 09:51 AM

Ron,

Glad to see your back on the car! Suspension is looking great, don't worry about the tire clearance, a couple of good tugs on the steering wheel and she will make room ha ha. Need to catch up with ya, I'll give you a call soon.

Jeff

57hemicuda

03-02-2016, 06:09 PM

Hackery 2.0, I guess when you put them in the weeds you should expect such things

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-HRBwXQq/0/L/20160302_183012-L.jpg

GregWeld

03-02-2016, 08:51 PM

A little plywood.... a little bondo....

gofastwclass

03-03-2016, 05:06 AM

Hackery 2.0, I guess when you put them in the weeds you should expect such things

I love your fabrication but I think you secretly like bodywork more than you let on. :underchair: ;)

57hemicuda

03-03-2016, 06:54 PM

The bend and stretch is complete, 3.75" of up travel, at full lock it hits nothing. Check out at full compression, the relationship between the bottom of the fender and tire.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-qmhGnwc/0/L/20160303_143837-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-D8P8k49/0/L/20160303_162635-L.jpg

Hotrod1

03-03-2016, 09:31 PM

what if u turn and hit a bump?

preston

03-03-2016, 10:29 PM

Yes that is how you know you are doing it right, when the limit of your travel is the top of fender. In fact if I follow the Sutton philosophy, I may end up raising my ride height in order to get more travel. Remember the G-Force Cuda, where they used reverse Superbird style scoops over the tires ? They said a major reason for that styling exercise was for tire clearance.

57hemicuda

03-04-2016, 06:45 AM

Big American Bulges sure helped me out on this car. The bulges are so large that the tire turned all the way doesn't even get close to the skin of the fender, now the lip of the fender is a different story, it has a credit card thickness between it and the tire.

I had to limit my Mustang with bump stops, because I blistered the paint in the top of the fender.

gofastwclass

03-04-2016, 02:56 PM

...now the lip of the fender is a different story, it has a credit card thickness between it and the tire.

Won't that evaporate under load in a turn?

57hemicuda

03-04-2016, 03:36 PM

Have to remember, these parts are just plugs. The molds will be made off the finished surface of the plug, then the part will pull out of the mold. Once the plug is mudded up, primed several times and painted it's surface will get much thicker, giving me a lot of leeway in where to thicken or thin out the critical rub areas. This 6" of travel is a bit of a ball buster though.

gofastwclass

03-04-2016, 06:04 PM

Got it. In the back of my mind I knew but keep forgetting that very important detail. Not sure why, I've built stuff with fiberglass before.

Awesome fabrication, this baby will be a beast.

57hemicuda

03-05-2016, 03:11 PM

Ready for mud

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-JhRC8xD/0/L/20160305_140759-L.jpg

slenning

03-05-2016, 09:33 PM

Great work Ron , this is gonna be crazy :yes:

Chassisworks

03-07-2016, 12:50 PM

Is there enough clearance at full compression for the the back of the fender to not hit the ground?

57hemicuda

03-07-2016, 03:37 PM

Is there enough clearance at full compression for the the back of the fender to not hit the ground?

Its exactly a 1/2" between the bottom of the fender and the ground at full compression. Ron Sutton aggressive race mode. Totally adjustable with bumpstops. Reinstalled 19x12 ZO6 wheels on the front, with the new enlarged wheel openings. They clear pretty easily, will hit the top of the fender at full compression. Bump stops are helpful.

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-Jjb2g3w/0/L/20160307_155834-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-xtmSNbs/0/L/20160307_162401-L.jpg

57hemicuda

03-09-2016, 05:25 AM

Got the other side mostly done. Torquedork strikes again with this Trans Am paint scheme

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-rr8HbkG/0/L/20160308_173621-L.jpg

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-s2g3sS7/0/L/ron1_zpsfsraknjd-L.jpg

Sieg

03-09-2016, 08:14 AM

What happens if the white stripe slant is reversed?

Ron Sutton

03-09-2016, 08:49 AM

https://57hemicuda.smugmug.com/Cars/AMX/i-s2g3sS7/0/L/ron1_zpsfsraknjd-L.jpg

Ohhhh. Love this !

:cheers:

TorqDork

03-09-2016, 12:23 PM

Ok. I did a couple of schemes on Ron's car for him and he seemed partial to the Follmer car scheme which is different than the Donohue car in where the colors break and has more white. Which One?

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/ron3a1_zpsvxj1sqqu.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/ron3a1_zpsvxj1sqqu.jpg.html)

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/ron3c_zpspumtgb7c.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/ron3c_zpspumtgb7c.jpg.html)

Follmer car

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/ta7c_zps18sp8g5g.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/ta7c_zps18sp8g5g.jpg.html)

Donohue car

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag215/protour71/ron3b_zpsvjqaybpa.jpg (http://s1369.photobucket.com/user/protour71/media/ron3b_zpsvjqaybpa.jpg.html)

sanddan

03-09-2016, 07:57 PM

mike343sharpstk

03-10-2016, 11:46 AM

Nobody has mentioned the Breedlove AMX. Pretty much the same horizontal color breaks as the Kaplan Javelins.
I like this car a bunch, and I've seen it in person many times, it's Amazing.
No bad choices here, all options are cool, and will certainly add to the attention grabbing properties this car will undoubtedly have.:flag2:

http://image.hotrod.com/f/muscle_car_review/1303_2012_muscle_car_corvette_nationals_mesmerizat ion/43046854/amx-craig-breedlove.jpg