This is MY 67 Camaro [Archive] - Page 2

Sonar Chief

06-02-2012, 10:08 AM

Almost finished the intake last nite, need to do the water pump still, so I taped off the exhaust around the headers this morning. I then realized I've had these headers since 2000 and have never bolted them on to the engine .... guess I'm not alone amongst the gearheads? :thumbsup:
So ... not too exciting, but the POR is soaking into the Al intake (3 coats) so I may spray the heads after masking off and see if there is a primer I can use first to help with coverage, who knows?

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She's ORANGE :thumbsup:

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Headers bolted on for the first time!

While the intake is drying I'm gonna get the underside of the deck lid cleaned off and maybe spray some epoxy later today .... supposed to have severe thunder storms and HAIL? today :(

I hope not cuz I just got my trunk outa the body shop Friday from the last hail storm, new hood and paint and PDR on the roof.

Continued .....

Roberts68

06-02-2012, 01:12 PM

That's a pretty killer looking motor in my opinion. I love the sbc orange against the aluminum, and the intake is really intriguing me. I fought smoke stains on mine last summer trying several products by spot treating it for effectiveness.
When all is said and done I could have just pulled it and reblasted it. When I painted the motor it did cross my mind to do the intake.

Did I read you are using POR in different colors or am I imagining that?

I take it you are really a fan of the POR products?

I am looking to select a really tough black for the undercarriage and other areas. I do not want to spray it in some areas though to avoid the risk of under masking and getting overspray.

Sonar Chief

06-02-2012, 01:50 PM

That's a pretty killer looking motor in my opinion. I love the sbc orange against the aluminum, and the intake is really intriguing me. I fought smoke stains on mine last somer trying several products by spot treating it for effectiveness.
When all is said and done I could have just pulled it and reblasted it. When I painted the motor it did cross my mind to do the intake.

Did I read you are using POR in different colors or am I imagining that?

I take it you are really a fan of the POR products?

I am looking to select a really tough black for the undercarriage and other areas. I do not want to spray it in some areas though.

Thanks .... yes I am using different colors of POR, silver for the body work and then cover that with their Chasis Coat Black (knowing you covered everything with change of colors) and of course Chevy Orange for the motor.
As long as you use their Prep and Ready and Marine Clean this stuff will last forever :thumbsup:

I will reduce their black and spray my undercarriage and then a liner spray for texture and reduce chips/ sound deadener.

Did the underside of the trunk and then it's blowing and raining outside of course ... and what's up with the METRIC bolts in the latch? :( repop!

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4517/120602604.jpg
Ready for epoxy.

So I'm gonna keep going and get the cowl stripped and ready for epoxy.

Roberts68

06-02-2012, 01:59 PM

Thanks .... yes I am using different colors of POR, silver for the body work and then cover that with their Chasis Coat Black (knowing you covered everything with change of colors) and of course Chevy Orange for the motor.
As long as you use their Prep and Ready and Marine Clean this stuff will last forever :thumbsup:

I will reduce their black and spray my undercarriage and then a liner spray for texture and reduce chips/ sound deadener.

When you are painting in your laundry room etc are you brushing it on with those results? If you are I am more impressed with either you or the product. :rofl:

It looks surprisingly smooth and glossy so I have to ask how you are laying it down.

I want to paint/coat my floor 1st without masking everything inside/out. I have a rear diff and new leaf springs I want to do too as far as black goes right now.

Sonar Chief

06-02-2012, 04:10 PM

When you are painting in your laundry room etc are you brushing it on with those results? If you are I am more impressed with either you or the product. :rofl:

It looks surprisingly smooth and glossy so I have to ask how you are laying it down.

I want to paint/coat my floor 1st without masking everything inside/out. I have a rear diff and new leaf springs I want to do too as far as black goes right now.

It's mostly the POR :thumbsup: ... I have found that if you use a foam brush it lays down smoother and I use the laundry room to keep crap out of the finish. You have to lay down two coats min just as the POR is tacky it will take ....if you let it dry you have to use their Self Etching Primer or a grey scotch brite to get the bite for additional coats.

I can't see doing the undercarriage by brush :willy: so I'll buy their reducer and spray on the black.

67goatman455

06-02-2012, 05:34 PM

WOW! I cant believe you have so much motivation still! I'm worried about how much rust mine may have now :/ Keep on going! You are doing a very good job at doing everything right the first time!

Sonar Chief

06-02-2012, 07:39 PM

WOW! I cant believe you have so much motivation still! I'm worried about how much rust mine may have now :/ Keep on going! You are doing a very good job at doing everything right the first time!

Hey thanks 67goatman455 ... my motivation comes from wanting to drive my Camaro :thumbsup: I am realistic and know not everything will work the first time and that's hot rodding, but I'll do my best to minimize the down time by doing it right the first time.

Got the cowl finished today and I thought maybe I'd be able to spray epoxy later but the wind is kicking and it's spitting again ... maybe tomorrow.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/408/120602609.jpg
Finished the cowl.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5810/120602613.jpg
Little finish work left.

I still need to weld the OEM brackets and wiring hold downs to the new cowl, it's always something huh :thumbsup:

makoshark

06-02-2012, 09:02 PM

Almost ready for the mini tubs. Looking good

Sonar Chief

06-02-2012, 10:06 PM

Almost ready for the mini tubs. Looking good

Almost ready? ... you got me scared about doing mini tubs now, thanks :wow:

makoshark

06-02-2012, 10:18 PM

HAHA! There's not so bad. I just have a tendency to over-complicate things. You can handle 'em!

Sonar Chief

06-03-2012, 12:50 PM

HAHA! There's not so bad. I just have a tendency to over-complicate things. You can handle 'em!

There is always a first for everything right?

Got everything prepped for some epoxy this morning and as I got ready the heat increased, man it's gotta be 90 out right now, but the epoxy laid down nice. It's a milestone to get some parts in epoxy, it's gonna be cool to see the body ready for primer :thumbsup:
The cowl was a PITA to sand the inside, so much that I cut my arm and was bleeding all over the cowl, then I had to clean all the spots of blood off :( But the cowl came out great and looks nice on the car ... just gotta keep going.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2643/120603616.jpg
Sprayin epoxy finally!
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4638/120603631.jpg
That was alota work for some color :lol:
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Underside is nice now!
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Gotta ding that needs filling, no biggy!

I think I'm gonna POR my water pump in the laundry room and stay cool ... too hot in the garage!
Thanks for looking .... more to come:cheers:

Sonar Chief

06-06-2012, 07:32 PM

in the garage with the DeWalt discing some of the interior panels. Between the garage being around 90 degrees and the smell of lacquer thinner to clean the undercoating I was starting to hallucinate, so only a couple hours stay time.

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Getting ready for epoxy.
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Rust on the inside of the quarter :(
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Got both sides down to metal.

The inside of the quarter panel has rust issues and I'm not sure how to take care of that ( I really don't want to do full quarters) ... the more I dig the more rust I find :mad:
Think I'm gonna have to invest in a sand blaster ... suggestions?

Thanks for looking...

Roberts68

06-06-2012, 08:01 PM

A small sandblaster isn't a bad investment. Do you have enough air to run one is another question? A guy where I used to work had a very small pistol grip style with a hopper on top. Try searching spotblaster, that might be the trade name.

The pot style are cfm consuming beasts and when I borrowed one 2 decades ago is what prompted me to buy my 6.5hp/60gal upright. It has served me pretty well but there are far more impressive compressors out there... albeit they are 4 times the investment and up.

I wanted to ask what primer you are using. I was recommended Dupont dp90 tonight and I don't know anything about primers/paints to speak of.

makoshark

06-06-2012, 08:53 PM

Where inside the quarter are there rust issues? Around the wheel well lip?

Sonar Chief

06-07-2012, 06:24 AM

Where inside the quarter are there rust issues? Around the wheel well lip?

The rust issues can be seen in the photos above, the inside of the quarters up high above the wheelwells, you can also see the rust when you look up straight up from the wheelwells.

A small sandblaster isn't a bad investment. Do you have enough air to run one is another question? A guy where I used to work had a very small pistol grip style with a hopper on top. Try searching spotblaster, that might be the trade name.

The pot style are cfm consuming beasts and when I borrowed one 2 decades ago is what prompted me to buy my 6.5hp/60gal upright. It has served me pretty well but there are far more impressive compressors out there... albeit they are 4 times the investment and up.

I wanted to ask what primer you are using. I was recommended Dupont dp90 tonight and I don't know anything about primers/paints to speak of.

Yeah I don't have the cfm to run a pot blaster, I have been getting by with a 3hp, someday I would like to upgrade to a 6hp 60 gal 230/1, but that is another big purchase I need to save up for .... :thumbsup:

I am using Acme Finish1 epoxy made be Martin Seymour and sold at our NAPA, it is a really nice product and lays down nice. I have used Martin Seymour primers before and they are high quality - hate to pay for just a name such as Dupont.

Thanks for looking ...

makoshark

06-08-2012, 03:39 AM

Mine were rotten around the wheel well opening. Every where else, with the exception on the drivers quarter at the rear window filler panel, was rust free. Your's look no where near as rusted as mine did. Quite frankly, I'm not seeing any rust issues from your pictures

Sonar Chief

06-08-2012, 04:21 PM

.....Quite frankly, I'm not seeing any rust issues from your pictures

From the inside look where the courtesy light would be mounted in the sail panel ... that's rust on the inside of the quarter. And when I removed the wheel wells .... there's a picture of the inside of the quarter through where the wells were. AND ... the driver's side quarter where it meets the rear window channel I'm gonna have to replace that angle part cuz of rust ... it's pretty thin and bubbled. :(
Not sure if I can get that blasted or not, sure gonna try that first, we'll see.

Sonar Chief

06-10-2012, 03:23 PM

the trunk getting ready for epoxy. I started and figured I'd stay until it was done, and I didn't want to have to keep climbing in and out :unibrow:

Went to the GG car show yesterday and saw some awesome cars and meet some nice folks ... and took a lot of pictures. And then I came home and got to work on mine :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Took some pixs of the quarter panel channel with the rust ... I'm gonna try and cut out the rust and break out my shrinker/ stretcher and follow the quarter panel down to the filler panel. Worse case scenario I replace the quarter :willy:

http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/9190/120610843.jpg
Driver's side rust
http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/3739/120610846.jpg
Underside
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Passenger side rust
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I made it out :thumbsup:
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2550/120610857.jpg
POR15 the trunk on the way out!

Not so exciting but I was out there working on my car :cheers:

Thanks ...

coolwelder62

06-10-2012, 04:15 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Way too keep at it.

Spiffav8

06-10-2012, 06:08 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Way too keep at it.

X2

:captain:

Sonar Chief

06-10-2012, 07:14 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Way too keep at it.

X2

:captain:

Thanks a lot guys .... I do appreciate the comments :thumbsup:
There is always something to do on the car and I find these and get at her with the time I have that day.

waynieZ

06-11-2012, 12:03 PM

Nice job on a crappy place to work in! You did an awesome job in there. My back is hurting just thinking about being in there.

Sonar Chief

06-11-2012, 04:13 PM

Nice job on a crappy place to work in! You did an awesome job in there. My back is hurting just thinking about being in there.

Thanks ... if my trunk comes out half as nice as yours I'll be doing the happy dance.
Any new updates on the car? I check every now and then ... just wondering.

Sonar Chief

06-23-2012, 08:14 PM

I know I have not posted in awhile ... it's field season and as a Fisheries Biologist that means you are in the field.
I have been working on a project that will help biologists determine species composition of their waters ... it's a tethered ROV (remote operated vehicle with video, lights and thrusters) that can be deployed from the boat and in conjunction with the sonar surveys provide live video (FISH PORN) back to the surface. We tested the ROV couple days ago and it works:thumbsup: :thumbsup: ,I made the cage outa 3/16 Al but .... I need to make some larger fins to stabilize the cage but she works and that's kool :cheers:

Anyway, today was 102 and I spent most of the day getting ready for epoxy primer on the NOS fenders when it cooled off ..... mark time 2045 and tha's cuz I was running outa light. I didn't have enough primer to do the inside but I got the bare steel in primer and that's a good day.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9733/120623892.jpg
NOS fenders in primer!
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2299/120623889.jpg
Yeah it's dark now!
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5498/120619875j.jpg
It's not the Camaro but I built it for work!
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4606/120622886.jpg
The ROV inside the cage ... "Scooter":thumbsup:

I am gonna present my FISH PORN for the first time next week in Utah during a sonar workshop ... should go over well:woot:

Thanks for looking .... later.

Steve68

06-24-2012, 06:56 AM

Primer looks good,

Liking the GI joe sub!!!

looks like fun to play remote control. what kind of fish are you looking at,

Sonar Chief

06-24-2012, 07:11 AM

Primer looks good,

Liking the GI joe sub!!!

looks like fun to play remote control. what kind of fish are you looking at,

Thanks .... I don't think a GI Joe would fit inside! BUT ... it is fun to control (read - addicting) the ROV or just let it sit and have the fish swim by the ROV.

Fish species varies with body of water, we are gonna use the ROV to keep track of KOKanee in our large res that we take spawn. But the ROV can be used for various missions.

Sonar Chief

06-30-2012, 03:34 PM

Man it is HOT and working in the garage is like an oven .... when I grow up I will have A/C and heat in my garage :lol:
Any way .... not much happening, got back from Utah yesterday and got in the garage today to prep my doors for some epoxy, one done and one left. Man I am glad it's not a four door :willy:

My boys are coming out here in a few weeks and I need to clean out their rooms ... I have been storing parts in their rooms :thumbsup: where else can I keep parts clean and organized, right? So I need to get some epoxy on the doors and hang them, bolt the trunk lid on, put the door skin, dash and filler panel in my room I guess :lol:

I still need to do the jambs ... that lacquer paint just gums up when you try sanding it off, so paint remover is required!

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6968/120630933.jpg
Little bit of time here!
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Ready for epoxy
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Paint remover is required on the jambs:(

Getting there a little at a time ....
Thanks

coolwelder62

06-30-2012, 03:53 PM

I know its in the thread somewhere but what are you using to clean everything up.Great job.

Sonar Chief

06-30-2012, 04:05 PM

I know its in the thread somewhere but what are you using to clean everything up.Great job.

I am using my trusted DeWalt drill and a fiber disc (from Harbor Freight) and assorted wire wheels, I use my air grinder sometimes with coarse roloc discs. Just takes time to see it through .... so I get started on a piece and keep going til it's done!
Thanks for looking

Spiffav8

06-30-2012, 04:48 PM

Chief you do awesome work! Very impressive.

Hey if you think it's hot up there in Colorado, come on down to Las Vegas for a few. :yes:

:captain:

Cole

06-30-2012, 05:28 PM

Chief you do awesome work! Very impressive.

Hey if you think it's hot up there in Colorado, come on down to Las Vegas for a few. :yes:

:captain:

True that...

Sonar Chief

06-30-2012, 07:14 PM

Chief you do awesome work! Very impressive.

Hey if you think it's hot up there in Colorado, come on down to Las Vegas for a few. :yes:

:captain:

Yeah .... no thanks, but for Colorado weather to be in the 100's already that is way too early.

Thanks for the compliments.

waynieZ

06-30-2012, 08:07 PM

Chief they're looking great..

coolwelder62

06-30-2012, 08:13 PM

I am using my trusted DeWalt drill and a fiber disc (from Harbor Freight) and assorted wire wheels, I use my air grinder sometimes with coarse roloc discs. Just takes time to see it through .... so I get started on a piece and keep going til it's done!
Thanks for lookingThank's,I need to clean the bottom of my 66 Chevelle like this so I can rhino line it.:thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

07-01-2012, 08:58 AM

Chief they're looking great..

Thanks for the words ... they mean a lot coming from you.

I had a moment last nite, I said the paint on the doors was being a bugger to get off cuz it was lacquer ... DUHHHHH, I used some lacquer thinner and got the paint broken down enough to disc off. One door done and one more to go .... that's my goal today.

Thanks for looking .... more to come:thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

07-01-2012, 08:59 AM

Thank's,I need to clean the bottom of my 66 Chevelle like this so I can rhino line it.:thumbsup:

Good luck with the pan ... keep going and then you are done :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

07-01-2012, 07:42 PM

More work on the door passenger door is almost done.

The door had more lacquer paint than the drivers cuz the repair they did ... and the paint is a bugger to get off, heats up way too quick with a disc :( :(

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/592/120701938.jpg
Almost ready for epoxy primer
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Still need to get this end clean.

Ran outa steam tonight .... I'll finish tomorrow and get some epoxy on the doors this week, that's the plan anyway :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

waynieZ

07-01-2012, 08:10 PM

Your doing a nice job on them..

Steve68

07-02-2012, 04:51 AM

nice job as always!

1transam

07-02-2012, 10:29 AM

nice attention to detail, your doing a great job...

Sonar Chief

07-04-2012, 03:36 PM

Your doing a nice job on them..

nice job as always!

nice attention to detail, your doing a great job...

Thanks for the kudos, I am getting the pass door ready for epoxy and should have some pixs soon ... so blasted HOT here I have to wait til it cools off to spray. :(

Michael

Sonar Chief

07-04-2012, 09:25 PM

OK this is not a paid advertisement for this eco friendly paint remover ... but this stuff works great! Couple hours after applying I just wiped off the gunk with a shop towel and then hit the paint with a wire brush and whola - the paint left just lifted off, so I hit it with the fiber disc and the rest just came off :woot:

So I did the door jambs and the sills after it worked on the door .... needless to say I didn't get any epoxy primer sprayed!!! But in all it was a good day fer sure :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9596/120704952.jpg
And it has a citrus smell!
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Door jambs are looking GOOD!
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Had to do both sides!!!
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Got the door done too.

That was easy compared to the aircraft paint remover and it smells good :unibrow:

That's all for today ... oh I got it at WallyWorld!

Steve68

07-05-2012, 04:56 AM

So clean, I'd eat dinner off of that!!!

nice,

waynieZ

07-05-2012, 01:28 PM

Definitely did the job!

Sonar Chief

07-05-2012, 06:54 PM

So clean, I'd eat dinner off of that!!!

nice,

Definitely did the job!

Yeah that stuff worked great, I kinda got off track when I found out it worked so well I just keep going and got the jambs and the sills down to metal ... w/o much trouble.

If I had her on a rotisserie I would have down the whole underside :hail: :hail:

Steady the course ... epoxy this weekend fer sure!

68firebird

07-05-2012, 07:36 PM

WOW that stuff works fantastic!! Looks great

Steve68

07-06-2012, 04:56 AM

I'm going to work on my Nova doors next week, I'll be picking some of that up!!!!

and some strippers!! hehehe, wheels!!

cencalc6

07-06-2012, 07:53 AM

Nice Job! Going to Home Depot Today :thumbsup:

dirtshark

07-06-2012, 08:05 AM

My man you are putting in the work...looking real good keep it up!!!

Sonar Chief

07-06-2012, 03:08 PM

WOW that stuff works fantastic!! Looks great

Thanks ... it's good stuff fer sure:thumbsup:

I'm going to work on my Nova doors next week, I'll be picking some of that up!!!!

and some strippers!! hehehe, wheels!!

Nice Job! Going to Home Depot Today :thumbsup:

Thanks ... I got this jug at Walmart, I don't know if HD carries the same stuff.

My man you are putting in the work...looking real good keep it up!!!

Thanks guys... I only want to do this once and I am going to do what I can to do it right, I have seen paint lift cuz the prep was not done correctly and it's enough to make you cry.

Sonar Chief

07-07-2012, 07:37 PM

Didn't get epoxy sprayed too much rain coming down today, go figure ... it's too hot and now it's too wet :unibrow: Continued with the citrus stripper and got the rest of the sill done and the upper gutter to the doors almost done.
Oh and the dash is ready for epoxy ... hopefully I can get some primer sprayed tomorrow before it starts to rain.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8983/120707963.jpg
Working on the upper sill.
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Door sills all done.
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Just a cool pix :thumbsup:
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8547/120707960.jpg
Stripping the dash.

Something everyday .... hopefully epoxy tomorrow should be in the 70's, we'll see :thumbsup:

Thanks for looking

Spiffav8

07-07-2012, 08:25 PM

How about posting up a few pictures of the process with that Citrus stripper? Seems to be working REALLY well.

Sonar Chief

07-08-2012, 01:40 PM

How about posting up a few pictures of the process with that Citrus stripper? Seems to be working REALLY well.

It's funny that you asked ... cuz I just so happen to have pixs of the dash strip. So this is how I did the dash

I first put a good coat of the citrus stuff on (don't use your hand w/ nitrile gloves cuz you don't have a paint brush) and wait bout two hours, wipe the goo off w/ a shop towel and then use the wire brush and cross hatch the area and the paint comes off. I used a fiber disc on the DeWalt to finish the hard areas and it leaves scratches for the epoxy to adhere to.
Here's a couple pixs of the dash undergoing the strip

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2062/120707959.jpg
Put a good layer on w/ a paint brush
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Wipe off and then wire brush.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4168/120707970.jpg
I used a fiber disc to scratch the metal clean

That's how I did it .... if it is too thin and starts to dry it doesn't work as well ... just put another layer on that spot and she's good.

Hope that helps all :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

07-08-2012, 02:03 PM

sprayed on all the parts, now just the body is left:thumbsup:

So at 1000 it's 70 out and the humidity is 67%, thought I was back in CT for awhile, I'm degreasing the parts and I'm sweating like a pig so I wore a t shirt around my head while I was spraying.

I had to get going cuz the humidity was only going up so I put the car in the driveway and hung the fenders and extensions, the dash and the doors and mixed up some epoxy and got going.

Even with the humidity the epoxy laid down nice, only one run :thumbsup:

Anyway here is the pixs of the garage full of parts.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/6726/120708981.jpg
Hung all the parts and wiped em down.
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/2026/120708984.jpg
Doors ready to go.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4231/1207081013.jpg
Fenders now have epoxy inside.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6418/1207081006.jpg
Fenders and extensions done
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5308/120708991.jpg
Doors look good :thumbsup:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5053/1207081009.jpg
Ditto
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Dash is done too!

So ... I let them dry and put them back in the boy's bedroom :thumbsup: I need to start attaching parts this week cus the boys are flying out in two weeks and I'm sure they will want them outa thier rooms :willy: :willy:

Parts in epoxy is a good sight, now I just have to do the body, still have some areas that need paint removal.

Anyway that's what I did today ...... thanks!

Steve68

07-09-2012, 07:04 AM

Once again nice work,

careful, the site owner is in to photography too, he might not like your artsy photos!!! just kidding,

the dark one looks cool!!!

Spiffav8

07-09-2012, 09:54 AM

Thanks for the process and progress pictures. You're making it look easy. :yes:

Sonar Chief

07-10-2012, 08:52 PM

Once again nice work,

careful, the site owner is in to photography too, he might not like your artsy photos!!! just kidding,

the dark one looks cool!!!

Well now we don't want to piss in anyone's wheaties now do we? Thanks!

Thanks for the process and progress pictures. You're making it look easy. :yes:

You are welcome! I wish it was easy, just gotta keep plugging away :thumbsup: Thanks!

Here is what I did last nite ... finished the A pillars and the upper weatherstrip channel and found a little triangle to show the factory people where to put the studs for the molding, thought that was cool :thumbsup:

And with the rain gutters cleaned to metal I can see RUST between the roof and the gutter :mad: . I know what that means .... replace the roof after POR15 all the reinforcements .... GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Take a look.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8348/1207101027.jpg
Stripped the channel to metal, you can see the rust inside the quarter!

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5475/1207101029.jpg
Look at the triangles for the studs!

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/507/1207101031.jpg
Driver's rain gutter RUST, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Well almost ready for some epoxy on the body, maybe this weekend I can get the jambs and the sills epoxied and get the door frames hung, we'll see how the week is going first and plan from there.

Thanks

Steve68

07-11-2012, 04:37 AM

Time for the handheld sand blaster,and clean that up,

Leadfoot1

07-14-2012, 07:42 AM

WoW!!! Thats a lot of work!!

Im just thinking...did you ever tought about an acid bath or something? Followed by electrodeposit primer or the like? I saw that done a few times and to take care of all the rust like you seem to be wanting to do it might have been the ticket!! Not sure it would have come that expensive, and it would have covered every spec of rust!! I consider myself a little asking on quality work but when it comes to getting to EVERY little spot...Man, it just never can be done. You really seem to want to get every inch done so i wonder if that system crossed your mind or not.

Great job so far! Keep it up! You are one patient dude!

Lead.

Sonar Chief

07-14-2012, 10:43 AM

Time for the handheld sand blaster,and clean that up,

Sand blasting won't get underneath where the rust started :mad: , so the roof has got to come off .... to do it right :hail:

WoW!!! Thats a lot of work!!

Im just thinking...did you ever tought about an acid bath or something? Followed by electrodeposit primer or the like? I saw that done a few times and to take care of all the rust like you seem to be wanting to do it might have been the ticket!! Not sure it would have come that expensive, and it would have covered every spec of rust!! I consider myself a little asking on quality work but when it comes to getting to EVERY little spot...Man, it just never can be done. You really seem to want to get every inch done so i wonder if that system crossed your mind or not.

Great job so far! Keep it up! You are one patient dude!

Lead.

Thanks ... have your read Stielow's book? The neutralizer after the acid dip didn't get into the same spots as the acid and the doors rusted out requiring redo on the doors.

I may be getting all the rust off the car the hard way, but .... I didn't introduce any chemicals, sand or any media that didn't come from the factory and I know it's done right.

Thanks for asking thou ...

Black93GT

07-14-2012, 10:45 AM

Sonar Chief

07-14-2012, 11:01 AM

primer on the door jambs, sills and the rocker panels :woot: Had to get up at o dark thirty, actually around 0630 and get the car wiped off and get going before the garage got too hot.

Came out alright ... had a couple runs no biggy thou, now I can hang the doors and get the other parts set in place and outa my boys bedroom.

I didn't mask off anything off .... a grey scotch brite will take care of the over spray (the floor will get epoxy and then Lizard skin anyway). There will be more high fill primer coming later so no biggy.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8149/1207141039.jpg
Door jamb done.
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1240/1207141045.jpg
Check.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4182/1207141035.jpg
Time to hang the doors :thumbsup:
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1702/1207141053.jpg
Jambs came out nice!
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/2690/1207141043.jpg
Got the inner and outer rocker to the pinch weld :thumbsup:

So a good day so far, everything is drying and I'm outa epoxy, I knew I didn't have enough for the quarters .... nice timing. Time for some inside stuff during the heat of the day.

Thanks for looking ...

Sonar Chief

07-14-2012, 11:04 AM

when i was pulling my quarters out I found rust in the drip rails the same as yours. it was rusted inside the seam. the spot welds didn't exist anymore. I ended up grabbing my plasma and cutting the roof off.... only to find the drip rail panel itself was rusted nearly the entire lenght. oh well... what's one more panel at this point.

That is why you gotta take the panel off and see what's under the rust .... I am getting everything else done first and then I'll tackle the roof .... it's holding the car together now and I don't wanna cut too much off the car at once.

Thanks for sharing ...

Sonar Chief

07-21-2012, 09:40 PM

It's a good day when parts come in, been gone all week and my AMD side cowls are here ... so now I can finish the cowl and the firewall!

Man do they fit 110% better than those other (China made) ones, so I had to fit them and see what the car looks like with side cowls ( I forgot) :lol: I am glad the AMD parts fit, should have ordered them from the beginning ... I now know there is an AMD dealer here in town that will get all my business fer sure.

The driver's side cowl doesn't quite have the same curvature as the upper cowl piece, but that is not a deal breaker just means I have to work with it .... BFH :unibrow:

I was working with the stripping gel today on my inner fender wells and let's just say when it's 100 out there is NO SUCH THING AS GEL :lol: It turned to liquid so I let it dry and scrapped it with the wire brush and most of the paint came off, I'll work on them early before it gets too hot again !!!!!!

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3867/1207211112.jpg
Gel turned to liquid with the heat :rolleyes:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2516/1207211110.jpg
Driver's side cowl fitment ... it's better than the other ones. :thumbsup:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3603/1207211118.jpg
Passenger side fit was almost perfect :woot:

I'll get going before the sun heats up the garage and I have to come inside and take a nap :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks for looking ....

waynieZ

07-21-2012, 10:09 PM

Its looking good!

Sonar Chief

07-22-2012, 11:51 AM

Got some time in the garage before it got really hot. Since I have the side cowls now I patched the OEM blower hole and worked on the inner fenders.

Found some rust between the panel on the inners .... guess I'll have to do surgery and fix that before I epoxy.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/827/1207221119.jpg
Patching the blower hole

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5975/1207221122.jpg
Quick test fit.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5186/1207221123.jpg
GRRRRRRRRR rust between the metal.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/7882/1207221125.jpg
I'll have to fix this pretty soon!

I really would like to get ANVIL inner fenders but ... that's alot of coin, so I'll fix what I have and keep plugging away.

Maybe I'll get back out in the garage after it cools off ... now it's NAP TIME :cheers:

Sonar Chief

07-22-2012, 11:53 AM

Its looking good!

Thanks .... it's getting there :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

07-22-2012, 06:13 PM

sandblasting doesn't get ALL the rust! This is my inner fender that was sandblasted in 2002 and painted with epoxy primer and replaced on the car.

As you can see the areas that were sandblasted and epoxied are fine but .... the rust continued from between the panels :mad:

So I drilled out the spot welds and cleaned everything and I will put some POR15 on the areas tomorrow when I can get the time for two coats and the final black. Then I'll weld her up and all is good with this one, the other one needs a patch fabricated and the same steps to stop the rust.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4803/1207221130.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7559/1207221127.jpg

Lesson learned ... do it right the first time.

Steve68

07-23-2012, 02:01 PM

You sir are a mad man, but, you are doing it right!!! what kind of epoxy you using??

Sonar Chief

07-23-2012, 07:49 PM

You sir are a mad man, but, you are doing it right!!! what kind of epoxy you using??

Thanks ... gotta do it right or not at all!

I am using an epoxy primer called Finish 1 under Acme label which is made by Martin Senour and sold through NAPA, really good stuff w/o paying for a label if you know what I mean. If it's good enough for Steve Davis' (president of Barrett Jackson) 64 Ford Fairlane it's good enough for little ol me.

Got the first coat of POR15 on the inners and just waiting for the second coat.

Roberts68

07-23-2012, 08:26 PM

Sonar Chief

07-23-2012, 09:17 PM

What sort of wait time do you find works well between coats?
I picked up some POR15 recently partly because of the inspiring work you are doing here and sharing with us.
I'm going to start with my floor pans prior to Eastwoods' thermo-coustic barrier. They aren't rusty but I will be exposing a lot of metal and want a brush on product.

I was just out in the garage putting on the second coat of POR15 on my inner fenders and it was just tacky at 3 hours since the first, I'll let it dry overnight and then I can scuff the POR sections and top coat with POR black and she should be good for another 45 years :cheers:

If you plan to do your floor pans I would break up the pans into quarter sections and do just a section both coats and then move to another section after that one dries .... just so you know you got coverage and you're not missing anything. If you had another color you could change colors and that is a sure sign that you got everything covered. That is why I use silver and then top with chassis black POR ... just a thought!

Sonar Chief

07-29-2012, 11:06 AM

Had a couple hours in the garage to get the inner fender welded back to OEM without the rust!

This is what a little TLC and a couple hours can do to refurb your inner fender wells. Hopefully I can get back out in the garage later and start on the other inner ... same rust spots and it needs a patch welded in the corner.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/696/1207291135.jpg
Plug welding with a copper backing!

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1051/1207291138.jpg
Ditto

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/323/1207291141.jpg
Much better than before:thumbsup:

Still need to finish welding some of the holes and then touch up with POR over the welds and she'll be done .... one down one to go:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks for looking...

makoshark

07-29-2012, 11:45 AM

makoshark

07-29-2012, 12:23 PM

Rosette welds should look like this...

DFRESH

07-29-2012, 12:38 PM

Wow--just went through your entire build thread. Huge amount of effort you've put in. Must be a great feeling to be able to do all this type of work on your own. I really admire the effort--will keep watching to see it come together. I love the "Just keep moving forward" approach. Great work bro!

Doug

Sonar Chief

07-29-2012, 03:00 PM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's better to say something now before you get into structural parts of the car, your welds do not look good:)
It's hard to tell without being there in person, but the welds either look as if you do not have enough wire speed, not enough gas or the metal isn't cleaned well enough. Also, you ground too much metal away when you ground down the welds. On the photo of the ground welds, you can see you did not get penetration into the surrounding metal. It doesn't look as if you are using the proper technique for rosette welds, as well as the what I mentioned above.

I see what you are looking at with the welds ... the first pix is the only one with rosette welds! The last two are the back of the plug welds (with a copper backer) to fill in the drilled holes when I removed the panel from the other panel .... make sense? I then welded to this plug from the top panel.

I assure you I will finish the back of the plug welds with some heat before I call it done.

Sonar Chief

07-29-2012, 05:28 PM

Maybe I should not have posted a between shot of the inners .... but that was good that Jeremy said my welds look like sh$t, that means a lot to me THANKS:thumbsup:

Started with a 1/4" hole (drill bit size) undercut the welds and put a 3/8" rosette weld on the top and finished the welds, looks like this now:thumbsup:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2704/1207291158.jpg

Sonar Chief

07-29-2012, 05:32 PM

makoshark

07-29-2012, 08:07 PM

Much better looking:thumbsup:

Steve68

07-30-2012, 02:36 PM

Nice welding, nice progress, I want to see pics when the roof skin comes off,

Sonar Chief

08-05-2012, 04:44 PM

Fixing more rust on the inner fender and first coat of POR15.

Got out in the garage and cut out the rusted spot and welded in a new piece.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5083/1208041188.jpg
Drilled out the welds and found rust.
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/893/1208051190.jpg
Welded in a new patch.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1109/1208051192.jpg
First coat of POR15 :thumbsup:

Not much for excitement but the inner fender was next on the list so I just got out there and goter done.

I'll put another coat of POR on tonight and weld the inner back together this week.

Thanks for looking ...

makoshark

08-05-2012, 08:01 PM

Steady at it. Your car will be well put together and hopefully last longer this time

Roberts68

08-14-2012, 07:53 PM

Sonar Chief

08-14-2012, 08:04 PM

Hanging in there Chief?

It has been a little while. I was thinking of your thread while I was cleaning the jute and grime off my floor to prep for POR15 and thermocoustic barrier.

So... I had to look you up and wish you well.

I am doing well ... my boys (young men) have been with me visiting before going back to college so the car was on hold while I spent time with them.

They flew home this morning so I'm back on track ... after I clean the house post boys :lol: :lol:

Sonar Chief

08-25-2012, 02:47 PM

Well mark the wheel wells off the list, after being on the road for some time I got in the garage last nite and finished welding the other well and then today I got both ready for some epoxy prime (what a mess!).

Not too exciting but they had to get done the right way! Hopefully I can get some primer on them next weekend, I am going to tackle the firewall and get those side cowls mocked in and ready for welding.

My dealer had to send pictures back to AMD cuz the driver's side didn't fit ... they didn't know they had a problem with the stamp until I called them, go figure :willy: I know what I have to do to make them fit to my liking so that's what I'll do :thumbsup:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7426/1208251417.jpg
Little filler and all better!

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5613/1208251420.jpg
About wore out my fiber disc on the undersides!

Have to go and do some homework now ... more to follow.

waynieZ

08-25-2012, 03:17 PM

Nice work they should last another 45 years.

Steve68

08-26-2012, 04:38 PM

Nice chief!!!

was wondering what you were doing,

coolwelder62

08-26-2012, 05:50 PM

The project is really lookin good.And the welds on the iner fender's will prob. work great.It's hard to the mig too lay down perfect after the panel has had that must rust on it for that long.It easy to get the perfect spot weld on a super clean rust free panel.You are doin an awesome job.Way more then most folk's would to the trouble to DO!!!!!!!!!.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

67zo6Camaro

08-26-2012, 10:13 PM

Nothing now! http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3566/120316130.jpg
Have you looked inside your rocker panel?

Michael

Been slowly looking through your thread. Love it. Especially this picture. Is that a glove in there?

Maaaaan, you had your work cut out for you Michael. Good thing you got your sheetmetal skills down. Great work and documentation... You do it my style. Speek with pictures. :thumbsup:

Keep it up.
Brett

Sonar Chief

08-27-2012, 06:20 PM

Nice work they should last another 45 years.

Thanks .... hope so! Not sure if I want to be around in another 45 years thou.

Nice chief!!!

was wondering what you were doing,

Thanks Steve ... been on the road, Fish Biologists belong in the field!!!!

The project is really lookin good.And the welds on the iner fender's will prob. work great.It's hard to the mig too lay down perfect after the panel has had that must rust on it for that long.It easy to get the perfect spot weld on a super clean rust free panel.You are doin an awesome job.Way more then most folk's would to the trouble to DO!!!!!!!!!.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks for noticing .... just gotta do it right! I wish I was welding on a rust free panel, if it were easy everyone would do it :hail:

Been slowly looking through your thread. Love it. Especially this picture. Is that a glove in there?

Maaaaan, you had your work cut out for you Michael. Good thing you got your sheetmetal skills down. Great work and documentation... You do it my style. Speek with pictures. :thumbsup:

Keep it up.
Brett

Thanks Brett ... I have been keeping track of your interactive thread, not sure I'm ready to make new wheel wells now but maybe in the future. I'll keep watching .... you are definitely in your own league, good job :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That is a sock that was in the driver's rocker ... dunno!

I like pictures too :thumbsup:

Thanks ...
Michael

Sonar Chief

09-03-2012, 07:38 PM

Made some progress in the garage today, spent most of the day prepping the side cowls and the inner fender wells for epoxy primer, and when the temp cooled off I spray all the panels :thumbsup:

Had a slight delay first thing this morning ... I had a flat on the cart, huh? Those Chinaman can't make a caster last more than 3 months? But a new one and swap out the tire and I'm good.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5431/1209031421.jpg
Should have bought the 45 series tire, couldn't get the jack under there:lol:
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/140/1209031433.jpg
Metal finished the wells ... almost can't see them :thumbsup:
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9661/1209031432.jpg
Epoxy primer both sides, looking good!
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/967/1209031444.jpg
This is the pile of parts I got done today!

So .... spent eight hours prepping the parts and two spraying with epoxy, sounds about right. One more thing to cross off the list, now I can get to installing the side cowls and work on the firewall panel.

That's another day thou .... see ya!

Sonar Chief

09-08-2012, 09:10 PM

Not too exciting but I had to patch these holes in the rocker panel cuz GM never did .... I don't want water running down and getting into the rocker :thumbsup:

I still have to make a patch for the very front of the rocker just ahead of the patch I welded in ... it's always something :unibrow: Then start on the other side, yeah!

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1689/1209081447.jpg
Little bit more and these two are good to go!

Thanks.... more to come.
Michael

camcojb

09-08-2012, 09:24 PM

Progress is good. :yes:

coolwelder62

09-08-2012, 09:46 PM

Rock solid build.:thumbsup:

Al Moreno

09-08-2012, 10:34 PM

Progress is good. :yes:

X 2......... keep up the great work :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

09-09-2012, 02:17 PM

Progress is good. :yes:

Thanks ... progress is slow during the summer with field work.

Rock solid build.:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: Thanks ... gotta do it right :thumbsup:

X 2......... keep up the great work :thumbsup:

Thanks Al .... I shall continue with the same drive I started with and NO SHORTCUTS:thumbsup:

Well ... didn't get as much done today as I would like cuz I have STATS homework to do now.

So ... I finished the driver's side patch and got one of the passenger side done. Not too bad for a couple hours thou :thumbsup:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4099/1209091452.jpg
One patch down!

Thanks for looking ....

Michael

Steve68

11-03-2012, 06:47 AM

Cheif, where ya been,

Roberts68

11-03-2012, 07:06 AM

Cheif, where ya been,

X2:cheers:

Sonar Chief

11-06-2012, 05:41 PM

Cheif, where ya been,

X2:cheers:

Thanks for thinking of me ... been busy with work, traveling and conducting sonar surveys on our lakes and reservoir .... and taking Statistics 511 from CSU to count towards my Master's program which I should be enrolled in 2014. Been awhile since I had homework due ... and STATS no less :_paranoid

Should slow down after finals week in Dec and I should get back at it hard before the next class starts in Jan ..... Stats 512 :thumbsup:

NEVER TOO OLD TO LEARN!!!!

Thanks
Michael

Sonar Chief

11-18-2012, 06:16 PM

Finally Thanksgiving break is here no more Statistics for a week, so I worked on the car ... didn't feel like thinking so I got to work on the bottom of the car. Got to the forward spring brackets and ran outa steam and discs ... I'll get the rest later. Came out nice and clean ... unlike me :unibrow:

Oh yeah, I made a bracket outa 3/16 Al for a led brake light for my dual sport... the one that came with the kit had 10 leds and fit the contour of the fender and 6 had gone out already. For safety I put a 24 led light meant for trailers and such and now I have retina burning brake and tail lights :thumbsup: May need a 3rd revision to smooth out the corners.

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/2325/1211181580.jpg
Mo better now!

http://imageshack.us/a/img840/7300/1211181583.jpg
Couple dents I need to pound out.

http://imageshack.us/a/img7/7853/1211181578.jpg
This is a cool pix.

http://imageshack.us/a/img231/590/1211181591.jpg
Version 2 of the bracket.

Thanks for looking ... have a Happy Thanksgiving! :cheers:

Spiffav8

11-19-2012, 08:56 AM

Chief...you where forced to do all the bright work on the ship when you where in the Navy didn't you. Now it's a sickness you can' let go of. :_paranoid

Friggin crazy nice! :captain:

Roberts68

11-19-2012, 09:16 AM

To what address do I send your plane ticket Chief?

I will have a full box of rolocs ready and waiting if you want to get some more thoughtless therapy under my Camaro.:wow:

Actually, again you inspire me with your work. On that note, rather than prolonged procrastination I am about to place an order for rolocs, thin cutoff wheels and some spot weld cutters. I get a nice price with a local tool vendor so no driving and they should be delivered tomorrow.:thumbsup:

Steve68

11-19-2012, 12:52 PM

nice an clean, what kind of dual sport????

looking for a Suzuki DRZ400SM, but the kids around here have driven the price up, looking at others too,

waynieZ

11-19-2012, 02:36 PM

It came out great, Nice work. It looks to be in good shape.

Sonar Chief

11-19-2012, 04:43 PM

Chief...you where forced to do all the bright work on the ship when you where in the Navy didn't you. Now it's a sickness you can' let go of. :_paranoid

Friggin crazy nice! :captain:

Actually that is the root cause of my OCD.... a clean ship is a happy ship, right?

To what address do I send your plane ticket Chief?

I will have a full box of rolocs ready and waiting if you want to get some more thoughtless therapy under my Camaro.:wow:

Actually, again you inspire me with your work. On that note, rather than prolonged procrastination I am about to place an order for rolocs, thin cutoff wheels and some spot weld cutters. I get a nice price with a local tool vendor so no driving and they should be delivered tomorrow.:thumbsup:

I thank you for the invitation, however, it's the pride that you did the work yourself and I would not want to deprive you of that pride, no would I?
Thanks thou ...

nice an clean, what kind of dual sport????

looking for a Suzuki DRZ400SM, but the kids around here have driven the price up, looking at others too,

I bought this 2001 Honda XR650R in '03 and have 8 years on her with a little over 15,500 miles on her ... would not trade the rides I have for anything. I mainly use it for commuting and going from pavement to dirt for fishing expeditions.

It came out great, Nice work. It looks to be in good shape.

Thanks ... no worries about the floors, she's solid. Now to work on getting the AMD side cowls to fit and welded in ... just have to get the insides sand blasted first and then POR'd.

blazer1970

11-25-2012, 05:51 PM

Subscribed....Nice work!!

Sonar Chief

12-15-2012, 12:13 PM

Subscribed....Nice work!!

Thanks .... there is more to come!

OK ... I am back, STAT511 is over and I need to get going on my car before STAT512 starts in Jan.

Just thought I would put a picture of my dad's car on my post and some history... or as I remember!
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1848/63stude.png

The car is a 1963 Studebaker Lark 4 speed, 289 ci. with the R-2 option which was a Paxton Supercharger addition. Seems the 1964 Avanti would have this option and the powers to be decided to option this R-2 to those in 1963 to get publicity for the Avanti.

I can remember dad starting the car with a can of ether and man did she move, remember speed limits back then were 75 and I can remember 90 cruising all day on the interstate. My Grandmother lived in Albuquerque and we would take the 5 hour trip up to visit quite often, and she had a Champagne 63 4 door for the kid's to ride in when we were there visiting. Grandma sold her Studebaker for a 72 Mercury Comet and gave the car to us to drive, the Comet is what I remember driving.

My dad sold the Lark back in 74 or 75 to make a payment on the land, just as my brother and I were coming of driving age :( Anyway, the buyer still in Silver City, seems he owned a car dealership back in the day and my brother asked if he had any pictures of the Studebaker. This is the only one known to my family.

My sister made copies of this picture and gave me one during Thanksgiving weekend ... which is pretty cool.

Now time to heat up the garage and get to work.:thumbsup:

OH ... my brother still owns the Comet!!!!!!!!

Roberts68

12-15-2012, 03:36 PM

Sonar Chief

12-15-2012, 05:33 PM

Thanks for the story Chief. Glad your Sis thought to give you a pic for a keepsake.

Since we are at relatively similar climates, is your garage stone cold when you heat it up for work? Or... do you maintain a "low" temp?

I am curious about condensate mostly especially with exposed bare metal. I have issues with the big temp swing using a torpedo heater. I look forward to using a hanging gas heater soon if I can make it happen.

Yes, I am really glad she gave me a picture, since we never had a camera when I was young ... there are no pictures of cool cars.

The garage was outside temp today when I started .... around 34 and I ran the little torpedo heater for 30 minutes and got the garage temp around 50 probably. No worries about condensation here, my whole car has been metal for awhile and there is not rust anywhere.

So .... working in the garage (lots of layers) got the cowl almost ready for final fitment and welding. I made the brace for the front to ensure all was on the same plane and worked the side cowls to get her close. The driver side was not close (told AMD too) the curve was too high on the stamp so I had to cut and BFH the side to conform to the original piece. The passenger side is almost perfect :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/1507/1212151645.jpg
Made a gig and welded it to the firewall ... all is straight now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img402/4731/1212151644.jpg
Had to slice the side w/ BFH to conform, almost there.
http://imageshack.us/a/img525/8362/1212151639.jpg
The inside look .... it's close

Well, I got out there and got something done ... but the temps are dropping fast, it's 34 out now and the garage isn't much more.

Thanks for looking ...

Steve68

12-16-2012, 05:39 AM

nice work,

bought a Suzuki DRZ 400, been hitting some trails around here, nothing like you have there, but still fun,

you have any snow yet??

Sonar Chief

12-16-2012, 07:20 AM

nice work,

bought a Suzuki DRZ 400, been hitting some trails around here, nothing like you have there, but still fun,

you have any snow yet??

Thanks for the comment .....having fun is what it is a about, whether on your dirt bike or working on cars. :cheers:

No snow yet, maybe Wednesday?????????

waynieZ

12-16-2012, 12:30 PM

Looks good Chief, Nice work.

Sonar Chief

12-16-2012, 06:15 PM

Looks good Chief, Nice work.

Thanks ... been awhile since I worked on the car and it does make a difference just to get out and do something :thumbsup:

So .... taking care of more rust I got the cowls fitting pretty good and this inner piece that has the hinge support has been causing me to lose sleep :(
so I got after it today! The shelf had a mouse house in there and that didn't help one bit ........... the plan, cut it out and POR everything
and weld it back in so I don't have to do this again!

http://imageshack.us/a/img152/5452/1212161646.jpg
This will NOT buff out. :(

http://imageshack.us/a/img138/1429/1212161648.jpg
The piece can be saved .... hmmm.

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/9284/1212161651.jpg
Some work done, need another night to finish!

I put a wheel to the hinge pillar area and cleaned her up pretty good, that shelf will POR fer sure, and then weld the POR'd patch back in and then finish the cowl.

Thanks for looking :thumbsup:

Tuske427

12-17-2012, 07:16 PM

Wow, I think I've found the Camaro equivalent for the amount of rust repair needed to resurrect one's car. It sure is a lot of work, and it's looking great!

Sonar Chief

12-19-2012, 05:11 PM

Wow, I think I've found the Camaro equivalent for the amount of rust repair needed to resurrect one's car. It sure is a lot of work, and it's looking great!

Thanks for the compliment ... gonna do it right the first go round so I don't have any regrets later, know what I mean? :thumbsup:

I have a little more beating on that patch ... that 16ga doesn't move that easy, but I have to get it right before I weld it back in place :unibrow:

Sandbagger

12-19-2012, 06:36 PM

Hey Sonar Cheif ,
Whats 12/25/83 ? obviously x-mas . You cross the equator on that day ?
What the heck do they call that the first time ? I noticed becuse I left San Diego the day before , boot camp .
Time flies ....

Sonar Chief

12-20-2012, 08:08 AM

Hey Sonar Cheif ,
Whats 12/25/83 ? obviously x-mas . You cross the equator on that day ?
What the heck do they call that the first time ? I noticed because I left San Diego the day before , boot camp .
Time flies ....

That's CHIEF! Crossing The Line is the ceremony for crossing the equator, where a previously inducted sailor known as a SHELLBACK bring slimy POLYWOGS up against King Neptune's court to answer charges.

I never crossed the equator, I did however cross the Arctic circle a few times on board a submarine

Hey .... that day is the day I earned my Dolphins. I went from a NUB to a qualified submariner (well, over 18 months passed in between), we were underway somewhere and the CO presented me with my first pair of Submarine Warfare breast insignia.

Thanks for serving ..... :hail:

waynieZ

12-20-2012, 10:23 AM

Thats Cool! Thank both of you for your servise.

Sandbagger

12-20-2012, 04:16 PM

Polywog ..., At 5AM it came to me
I was a Seabee NMCB40 . Five years in and not one full day on a ship .

Nice job on the rust
Primer ? Hays grey ??:_paranoid

Brian - JCG

12-21-2012, 07:28 AM

Awesome job on the fab work! Car is coming along great..

Sonar Chief

12-21-2012, 03:47 PM

Thats Cool! Thank both of you for your servise.

Wayne ... it was my pleasure:thumbsup:

Polywog ..., At 5AM it came to me
I was a Seabee NMCB40 . Five years in and not one full day on a ship .

Nice job on the rust
Primer ? Hays grey ??:_paranoid

Haze Grey? No way.... haze grey is for TARGETS, I mean surface ships :rofl: :rofl:

Awesome job on the fab work! Car is coming along great..

Thanks Brian ... little at a time and make sure it's done right:bow:

Well, working on that patch, cut the first one too short to make the curves so I started with another piece of 18ga and got her close ... I can POR the back of the patch in the workshop (laundry room) tonight but trying to keep that corner above 70 so I can POR the car is gonna be tough. Everything lines up nice so I'm close :thumbsup:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3535/1212211662.jpg
Close ... need to start welding to get some heat in and form to the original!

Tomorrow is supposed to be in the 50's, that will help a lot, my toes are cold just from this afternoon.

Thanks for looking

Ron in SoCal

12-21-2012, 04:12 PM

Sonar Chief

12-22-2012, 05:10 PM

Chief - really enjoy your updates and attention to detail. If someone asked me 'how to' bring a Camaro back to life, I'd point them to your thread. Keep up the good work Sir and Happy Holidays...:cheers:

That is quite the compliment .... thank you and Happy Holidays to you also! :thumbsup:

Got the patch pretty close to original, I could have keep messing with it but I needed to get going with the POR and not lose too much heat .... finished the welds and bought another 15lb propane tank in case this one goes empty.

So, here is the first coat of POR drying, another coat and then some black.

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/7020/1212221663.jpg
She's close, I'll finish trimming and hammer form when I get some heat on her.
http://imageshack.us/a/img213/3848/1212221666.jpg
Got the first coat of POR and the heat going!

Should get the upper and lower patch welded tomorrow if all goes well :thumbsup:

Thanks for looking ......

Jgpclone

12-23-2012, 12:17 AM

looking good man

Sonar Chief

12-23-2012, 03:32 PM

looking good man

Thanks for the kudos ... she's getting there!

I'm not sure I really wanted to post after seeing Mark has a new thread, new car .... I'm just chicken feed here with my little ol Camaro.
Mark will probably have two more cars finished before I get one out :willy: GOOD LUCK MARK!

But I spent all day in the garage so I might as well post some pictures ....

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/9669/1212231674.jpg
Better than before .... welded/POR'd and black :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/9888/1212231675.jpg
Welded the top , now need to weld the bottom and button this front end up!

Need to weld the bottom of this pillar and get the other side cleaned up and weld the cowl and sides :D then start on the firewall closeout and the dash ... but I'm getting ahead of myself, one at a time!

Thanks for looking ..

waynieZ

12-23-2012, 03:45 PM

Nice progress, keep picking away at it.

Sonar Chief

12-24-2012, 04:38 PM

Nice progress, keep picking away at it.

Thanks ... still picking at her, got out there and got the lower brace welded in!

Had to open the doors and let out the welding gases and lost all my heat so I'll finish this later :thumbsup: Man it's cold outside!

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7435/1212241678.jpg
This piece welded in makes this corner very strong!

Happy Holidays to all!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for looking!

Roberts68

12-24-2012, 06:09 PM

Happy Holidays to you and yours as well as the rest reading your thread Chief!

I see you have a Lincoln, just curious what model? I'm hoping to pick up a welder soon.

Sonar Chief

12-25-2012, 09:26 AM

Happy Holidays to you and yours as well as the rest reading your thread Chief!

I see you have a Lincoln, just curious what model? I'm hoping to pick up a welder soon.

And Happy holidays to you and your family!

My Lincoln MIG is a SP100, I had to think on this one ..... I bought this welder back in '96/'97 and have used the heck out of it, sometimes I wished I'd bought a welder in the 180/200 amp range. The 100 amp is rated for up to 12 ga with CO2/Argon mix you could go thicker with multiple passes, but for the auto body stuff it does just fine :thumbsup:

Later

Sonar Chief

12-30-2012, 04:17 PM

Just when I was on a roll, thought I'd get the uprights and put the column in before I finally welded the cowl, and ..... what the halibut :_paranoid the OEM bolts don't thread in, so I went out and got the original and they threaded in just fine???? METRIC nuts on the back side? Dunno... wth .... so that's the end of today.

I got the final little patch welded in the bottom corner and massaged the side cowl where she's close ... almost got it where I can start welding, and now this :(

Anyway ... here is some pictures.
http://imageshack.us/a/img839/1617/1212301682.jpg
Welded this patch to look like the OEM!

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/8393/1212301681.jpg
I'm not crazy, it fits! That's why you don't throw anything away til the end!!!!!

http://imageshack.us/a/img846/6184/1212301683.jpg
Well .... need to get some METRIC bolts and put everything together before I weld :_paranoid :_paranoid

Thanks for looking .. til next time :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

01-06-2013, 04:14 PM

The good news ...the bolts for the column braces were SAE, however they up'd the size from 5/16 to 3/8 so I had to open the holes in the braces to the larger size. Should be getting the cowl fitted with the dash, steering column and all clamped here pretty soon :unibrow:

Made a close out panel for the passenger side front cowl and got that welded in nice.

Made some close out panels for some holes in the firewall that would not be used and got those welded .... figured with the cowl still out I can get to the backside easier :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/7154/1301051685.jpg
No more water getting in through here!

http://imageshack.us/a/img594/2836/1301061692.jpg
Filled the OEM bulkhead hole for the wiring harness and clutch! Looking much better :thumbsup:

The temps got into the 40's so I worked on the car, still had to use the heater thou :thumbsup: Hopefully the weather will stay nice through next weekend.

Thanks for looking ...

makoshark

01-06-2013, 04:23 PM

Sonar Chief

01-06-2013, 04:26 PM

Did you purchase new column braces? Also, what are you planning to run for wiring harness? Gonna do a relocate on the bulkhead? If I had it to do all over again, I think I would have went that route with my AAW harness.

Car looking good! Looks like metal work will be downhill by spring time

The column braces are OEM, DII just put a 3/8 nut in the cowl instead of the 5/16 ... no biggy.

I am gonna run a Ron Francis wiring harness ... get rid of the bulkhead fitting altogether and run a custom one.

makoshark

01-06-2013, 04:38 PM

Oh yeah, you replaced the cowl...duh

just to rub it in, I was beginning to sweat out in my garage today. Looked at the thermometer and it showed 77*:D Had to turn down the heater

Sonar Chief

01-12-2013, 04:00 PM

Not watching the Broncos game, butt a$$ cold anyhow, 14 degrees? Got the ol heater out and went through a 15lb bottle already.

Anyhow, got out to the garage and got my firewall filler plate in and almost finished, ran outa 2in rolocs to finish the welds. Still need to finish welding the outside corner above the brace there, that's another day when I can feel:thumbsup: my toes

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/7152/1301121696.jpg
Braced and ready for some heat!
http://imageshack.us/a/img32/8209/1301121701.jpg
Almost done, looks way better than OEM! I'll do some more smoothing on the right over to the brake booster! :thumbsup:

So that's what I did today, hopefully with some more propane and some rolocs I can finish tomorrow - another cold day 17 they say :willy: :willy:

Sonar Chief

01-19-2013, 06:22 PM

Still plugging away, made some progress in the garage today ... it was actually in the 50's :)

Anyway, here is the patch I cut out to finish off the right side, came out pretty good, still need to weld a couple pin holes and drill the fender bolt holes.

A look back .... much better now:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img542/1135/2011nov01601.jpg
The old firewall ..... ugggg!
http://imageshack.us/a/img204/2230/1301191704.jpg
Cut out a patch and finishing up before welding.
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/6600/1301191712.jpg
Can you see the difference? Little more touch up and we'll call it GOOD!

Thanks for looking ... more to come.:thumbsup:

Steve68

01-20-2013, 08:33 AM

As chico would say, Loooking goood!!!!!

Roberts68

01-20-2013, 08:41 AM

Nice work Chief!
Who makes and sells the panel clamps that you are using? They look fairly sturdy compared the the Eastwood ones. :headscratch:

waynieZ

01-21-2013, 12:40 AM

Nice job it looks good.

Sonar Chief

01-21-2013, 06:29 AM

As chico would say, Loooking goood!!!!!

Thanks for the kudos Steve.:thankyou:

Nice work Chief!
Who makes and sells the panel clamps that you are using? They look fairly sturdy compared the the Eastwood ones. :headscratch:

Thanks ... :thankyou: I went all over the web to find these again and I cannot find the Hot Rod shop that I bought the last set from, I bought a set of 10 for my brother last year. They are awesome if you can find them, Much sturdier then the Chinese made panel clamps :thumbsup:

Nice job it looks good.

Thanks Wayne ... she's getting there :thankyou:

Sonar Chief

01-27-2013, 04:22 PM

Finally the weather was nice (50's IN JANUARY?) so I took advantage and got out the 80 grit, prep sol and wiped everything down and sprayed some epoxy on the backside of the firewall and the door pillars/ hinge post.

I have been working on the details to get this ready to weld ..... I want it to be perfect before I weld. I have had that cowl off at least 50 times and I think I have it where I can start welding :thumbsup: I can't wait til I do the quarters ... that'll take 75 times off and on before I get to weld.

http://imageshack.us/a/img829/4027/1301271750.jpg
Epoxy on the passenger side, that was the holdup :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img690/4596/1301271767.jpg
Went ahead a sprayed all bare metal while I had the weather!

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/8632/1301271772.jpg
Finally got the parts where I want them ... welding soon:thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/7699/1301271773.jpg
Used my new tool ... HF punch/ flange tool, pretty handy!

So that's all for now ... school started and I have homework to do ... progress will slow with homework :bang:

Thanks for looking.

tubbed69

01-27-2013, 04:42 PM

looks great so far,keep pics coming

waynieZ

01-27-2013, 04:42 PM

Thanks for posting! As always very interesting.

KPC67

01-27-2013, 08:47 PM

looks great:thumbsup:
oh and add another 0 for how many times the quarters will go on and off.

Sonar Chief

01-28-2013, 04:50 PM

looks great so far,keep pics coming

:thankyou: I will keep the pics updated!

Thanks for posting! As always very interesting.

:thankyou: for looking!

looks great:thumbsup:
oh and add another 0 for how many times the quarters will go on and off.

:thankyou: ANOTHER 0? I can't do the math :lostmarbles:

Now I have to go and get some Stats 512 homework done and get off this website!

BBC71Nova

01-28-2013, 05:16 PM

Looking good.

I too am interested in those clamps. I'll have to google around for them I guess.

Also, which epoxy are you spraying?

KPC67

01-28-2013, 08:55 PM

:thankyou: ANOTHER 0? I can't do the math :lostmarbles:

oh its easy to figure out.
Adding 0 would still equal 75 time that your quarters will go off and on.

Sonar Chief

01-29-2013, 04:43 PM

Looking good.

I too am interested in those clamps. I'll have to google around for them I guess.

Also, which epoxy are you spraying?

I googled for images and came to Jeff Lilly Restoration, seems they also use the same clamps, so I emailed them to see if they knew where to get them. I'll post if they reply with useful info.

I put a link up in the paint/ body thread to their website.

The epoxy? Finish 1 FP301 made by Martin Senour and sold at your local Napa.

:thankyou: ANOTHER 0? I can't do the math :lostmarbles:

oh its easy to figure out.
Adding 0 would still equal 75 time that your quarters will go off and on.

Got it :headscratch:

Sonar Chief

02-16-2013, 05:52 PM

Some progress today started fitting everything to the firewall / cowl to get this thing welded .... not something to take lightly when the cowl, side cowls and the upper dash are new to the car. Paranoid? Maybe.

So I welded the driver's side bracket that holds the dash to the hinge pillar and the support I cut outa the middle (by the speaker bracket) and used clamps to hold everything. installed the brake booster, steering column, E brake and bolted the old upper dash to the dash and I have a larger gap on the driver's side dash to pillar then the passenger side .... hmmm. I even installed the kick panels to check the gap ... OCD?

That bracket gets welded to my new patch I made ... and the dash has to move towards the driver's side. :idea: Take it all apart and shorten that bracket some to let the dash come over .... that's for tomorrow thou.

http://imageshack.us/a/img801/5361/1302161779.jpg
Does anyone recognize this? :D
http://imageshack.us/a/img90/4296/1302161776.jpg
Getting all together!
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/8446/1302161785.jpg
Will have to modify this a little.

I have been busy with Stats 512 and homework and today was good to get out and work on the car ..... even if I have OCD .... I'll get her tomorrow :thumbsup:

Thanks for looking ..

Sonar Chief

02-17-2013, 03:53 PM

The welder trigger that is .... took everything back apart and took that bracket off and put everything back together (w/ old dash top for reference) and got the gap equal on both sides ... probably better than GM did :rolleyes: Measured a gazillions times again and got some heat on the top cowl and then took my time to get the firewall attached to the cowl, did not warp anything ... and that's a good day.

Anyway, here are some pics, I'll finish dressing the welds another day ... have some homework to do now!!

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/4694/1302171787.jpg
Put some heat here and did some massaginh w/ BFH.
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/1305/1302171788.jpg
NO MORE CLAMPS :thumbsup:
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/4296/1302171793.jpg
Still straight, I'll finish the welds another day :thumbsup:

I still have to do the side cowls, piece of cake now that I have a good reference for them that's not going to move.

Thanks for looking ...

coolwelder62

02-17-2013, 04:11 PM

Lookin real good.This 1st.gen will end up way better the second time around.GM never went to this kind of work in the fist place.

makoshark

02-17-2013, 04:27 PM

Got it looking good there Chief. Nice looking welds!

tubbed69

02-17-2013, 07:03 PM

very nice work,good looking welds

Roberts68

02-17-2013, 07:48 PM

Lookin real good.This 1st.gen will end up way better the second time around.GM never went to this kind of work in the fist place.

What Scott said! Way to go!:thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

02-18-2013, 02:54 PM

Lookin real good.This 1st.gen will end up way better the second time around.GM never went to this kind of work in the fist place.

:thankyou: it was gratifying to see that cowl welded in place. No more clamps :thumbsup: Your project is awesome by the way :thumbsup:

Got it looking good there Chief. Nice looking welds!

:thankyou: welding that cowl was a milestone ... can't' go back now! Wish I could help you with front fitment ... but I'm not there yet!

very nice work,good looking welds

:thankyou: I keep plugging away a little at a time.

What Scott said! Way to go!:thumbsup:

:thankyou: thanks for commenting, that means a lot :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
There is more to come ........

makoshark

02-18-2013, 04:09 PM

Sonar Chief

03-03-2013, 03:54 PM

Something is off on my car and I can't figure out exactly what it is. Fitting fenders, doors and hood shouldn't be this difficult, but it is on my car. I'm thinking, right now, that I may have to break the quarter loose in the door jamb area and see if there isn't some adjustment there. When I installed these NOS quarters, I got them to fit as tight as they could to the inner structure and to the doors.

And that is why I don't want to touch my quarters :bang:

I'm working with my AMD rep here in town cuz my door skins don't fit over my frames with out persuasion ....:bang: Not sure where this will lead. :guns:

Sonar Chief

03-03-2013, 04:05 PM

Had a little time to work on the car, been busy at work. Just took a test for Stats so ... no homework for this weekend:D

So I finished the welds on the firewall and started getting the side cowls all lined up and screwed together, should be able to get welded here real soon.

http://imageshack.us/a/img801/2619/1303031800.jpg
Dressed the welds on the firewall.

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/6933/1303031799.jpg
Screwed the side cowls in place ....

Not much of an update but I only had a few hours and I'm paranoid when it comes to getting everything right before I start welding .... bear with me :popcorn2:

Thanks for looking....

makoshark

03-03-2013, 04:47 PM

And that is why I don't want to touch my quarters :bang:

I'm working with my AMD rep here in town cuz my door skins don't fit over my frames with out persuasion ....:bang: Not sure where this will lead. :guns:

What shape are your quarters in the door jamb area? If I had it to do all over again, I would not have removed the door jamb area, even with NOS quarters. I have been over this car measuring all over the place. All measurements and visuals show my quarters are dead on. From looking at pictures at other car's, the rockers seem a bit different than mine. It appears, from looking at pictures, my factory installed rockers are shaped slightly different than most. I can't get my fenders to align to the rockers and doors at the same time. I can only get one or the other:bang:

Have you already removed the original door skins without aligning the fenders to the original doors? If you already have, you may have opened Pandora's Box

Sonar Chief

03-04-2013, 06:39 AM

What shape are your quarters in the door jamb area? If I had it to do all over again, I would not have removed the door jamb area, even with NOS quarters. I have been over this car measuring all over the place. All measurements and visuals show my quarters are dead on. From looking at pictures at other car's, the rockers seem a bit different than mine. It appears, from looking at pictures, my factory installed rockers are shaped slightly different than most. I can't get my fenders to align to the rockers and doors at the same time. I can only get one or the other:bang:

Have you already removed the original door skins without aligning the fenders to the original doors? If you already have, you may have opened Pandora's Box

I did the GM fenders (w/shims) before I tore the car apart. The door skins are not tall enough to fit w/ some slack like OEM.

I do not plan on removing the quarters ... the jamb area is great, it 's the areas up high (behind the sail panel) w rust and of course the lower trunk drop off area.

Good luck with aligning ... sorry I can't help!

makoshark

03-04-2013, 11:53 AM

That has been a problem with repop door skins for a while. Some have enough room to move the skin around, but then some don't. AMD seems to be a good company to work with, so I'm somewhat confident they will get it worked out for you.

Man I wish I could get some help on this front cap. I haven't even touched it lately. I moved on to cleaning up the cowl and welding on my dash top. My dash top was the first panel I removed from my car and was the last I replaced. I removed the dash completely from the car the other day because I think someone put a gallon of paint just on the dash. I wasn't interesting in spending a day or two just stripping paint from it. I'm going to sandblast it this week and get it welded back in.

Luck, it seems, is the only thing I'm gonna be able to have to get this cap lined up to my liking.

Too bad you and I don't live closer to one another. We could, together, have our cars moving at a tortoise pace rather than the snails pace we've been moving at.

Roberts68

03-04-2013, 12:01 PM

Too bad you and I don't live closer to one another. We could, together, have our cars moving at a tortoise pace rather than the snails pace we've been moving at.
^ That was funny, sorta sad how true it is for those of us counting down by the decade... but still funny.

Royalworks

03-04-2013, 04:44 PM

Something is off on my car and I can't figure out exactly what it is. Fitting fenders, doors and hood shouldn't be this difficult, but it is on my car. I'm thinking, right now, that I may have to break the quarter loose in the door jamb area and see if there isn't some adjustment there. When I installed these NOS quarters, I got them to fit as tight as they could to the inner structure and to the doors.

Did you replace your body bushings? Did you fit your doors first before you took off your quarters? I like to leave on the doors when I do quarters. Makes it a lot easier and then you know its all good. Some pictures would be helpful.

makoshark

03-04-2013, 05:02 PM

Did you replace your body bushings? Did you fit your doors first before you took off your quarters? I like to leave on the doors when I do quarters. Makes it a lot easier and then you know its all good. Some pictures would be helpful.

Yes, solid bushings. Doors were fitted, but after the new quarter install, they were removed and not put back on for some time. With that lapse in time, I have not been able to get the fenders to fit the doors.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=35882&page=20

Sonar Chief

03-09-2013, 05:04 PM

when it's snowing and too cold to work in the garage? You work inside, specifically the workshop (aka bathroom) and polish the front door glass. It's kinda messy and you need water so .... use the tub and pad with some towels :thumbsup: I ordered the Eastwood kit and it showed up yesterday so figured I'd put it to good use.

I did not have the window roller nut tool .... so the rear glass didn't get polished. I will order the tool and replacement stuff and get those done soon.

http://imageshack.us/a/img5/9563/1303091809.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img171/4046/1303091804.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img90/8176/1303091803.jpg

The glass came out great, there were a few marks on the glass (scratches) that took a while to clear up, but three passes on each side took about an hour and she's better than new. Not too bad for 48 year old glass:D

Really pleased with the kit :thumbsup:

Thanks for looking ...

makoshark

03-09-2013, 06:19 PM

Wow! I'd say they turned out great because I can't even see them:) I'll have to try out that kit now that I know it works so well.

Roberts68

03-09-2013, 07:29 PM

Do they offer more than one kit Chief?
Maybe throw out the part number you tried and liked?
Were your scratches deep enough to feel with your fingernail? I have some pretty deep ones in my original door windows that a glass guy told me 15 years ago were a lost cause.

randy

03-09-2013, 07:33 PM

do you have a link to the kit you used. I need to do that too

waynieZ

03-09-2013, 08:17 PM

Good to know the kit works. Thanks

Sonar Chief

03-09-2013, 08:21 PM

Wow! I'd say they turned out great because I can't even see them:) I'll have to try out that kit now that I know it works so well.

I was very pleased with the results ... it's takes awhile (patience) but well worth it :thumbsup: The directions say to make a paste consistency of toothpaste .... I used a touch more water and just kept the polisher moving and kept it watery and don''t let it dry. It's only a 3" polishing pad that I put on my 7" polisher.

And since I was polishing in the tub I kept rinsing with water to check the results... slow speed on the polisher = 600rpm, just go slow and keep it moist.

Do they offer more than one kit Chief?
Maybe throw out the part number you tried and liked?
Were your scratches deep enough to feel with your fingernail? I have some pretty deep ones in my original door windows that a glass guy told me 15 years ago were a lost cause.

I didn't have any deep scratches so I got the 12525 kit, they have a courser kit that is made for the deeper scratches #12526

do you have a link to the kit you used. I need to do that too

This will get you to the Pro Polishing kit I used.
http://www.eastwood.com/pro-glass-polishing-kit.html

Sonar Chief

03-09-2013, 08:22 PM

Good to know the kit works. Thanks

It worked great :thumbsup: and thanks!

makoshark

03-09-2013, 10:45 PM

Sonar Chief

03-10-2013, 05:49 PM

Based on the reviews from Eastwoods site, it appears the deep scratch kit does not work well on tempered glass. All the glass is tempered with the exception being the windshield. None the less, I'll still try it out.

Yeah I didn't read the writeup on the deep scratch kit cuz I didn't need it. I have to replace the front windshield and back glass, I would like to be able to see out of them ... know what I mean?

I might go with Auto City Classic's over sized glass to get rid of the trim and have it more like today"s cars, we'll wait and see.

Glad to see you made progress on the front end.

makoshark

03-10-2013, 06:00 PM

What's wrong with your factory rear glass? Who wants to look back anyways, though.

Sonar Chief

03-13-2013, 06:26 PM

What's wrong with your factory rear glass? Who wants to look back anyways, though.

My back glass is scratched beyond repair .... and the front glass broke getting it out of the car.

Sonar Chief

03-14-2013, 07:38 PM

Nothing too exciting ... my tool for the window nut came in today ... so I figured I'd get the quarter windows polished :thumbsup: Why wait?

http://imageshack.us/a/img526/2346/1303141863.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img138/6055/1303141860.jpg

Came out really nice ... wrapped them up and put them away.

Thanks for looking ... should be welding this weekend, AND it's Spring Break -NO SCHOOL next week :thumbsup: just homework!

Sonar Chief

03-16-2013, 03:46 PM

welded in, now that's a good Camaro day:thumbsup:.

Got the passenger side cowl welded in ... little heat, some hammer/ dolly work, and some more heat and she's all good. I'm gonna wait on the outer shell til I can get some undercoat or Lizard Skin on the inside.

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/9853/1303161866.jpg
Welded and hammered in :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/2594/1303161864.jpg
So that's what it will look like ... almost forgot :relax:

The driver's side will take more work cuz the stamping is off and I have to fill where I sliced to make it fit correctly .... but I will get on it tomorrow fer sure. If the temp is good tomorrow I may spray some epoxy ... we'll see!

Thanks for looking ....

Al Moreno

03-16-2013, 04:51 PM

:clap: :cheers: Respect!

coolwelder62

03-16-2013, 04:58 PM

Lookin great.:thumbsup: I hope the garage is stayin warm.

Roberts68

03-16-2013, 05:33 PM

Sonar Chief

03-16-2013, 05:33 PM

:clap: :cheers: Respect!

Thanks for the compliment, appreciate it :thumbsup:

Lookin great.:thumbsup: I hope the garage is stayin warm.

:thankyou: This past week the temps were in the 50's and then 70 yesterday?? I need the heater in the morning but not for long, should be 50's tomorrow also :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

03-16-2013, 05:50 PM

Well Done Chief! Good Camaro Day for sure!!

You know, I am pretty blessed with how clean my Camaros body is. At least as far as I know anyway... knock on wood. For me there is always a level of uncertainty. But I tell you what, you know exactly what you have and how meticulous and solid the work on yours is. Be very proud of your work. You set a great example.

Robert

:thankyou: :thankyou: I hope you not mind me stealing your Good Camaro Day saying .... but it fits.

I am just doing it the correct way ... hope someone else learns from this thread.

Roberts68

03-16-2013, 06:12 PM

Mind? Heck no! I smiled when I read it.:D

I'm sure I'm not the only one learning from your thread either.

makoshark

03-17-2013, 06:41 PM

Looks good Chief!

You all need to pass some of that 'Good Camaro Day' karma my way. I purchased trunk lid #5 and it showed up yesterday. Guess what? Didn't fit worth a darn. I haven't even braved trying to get back to work on my front cap. I'm probably going to go talk to a local resto shop and see about getting them to deal with it. I've just lost my patience for it. I'm ready to start block sanding and spraying some color damnit!!

Sonar Chief

03-17-2013, 08:10 PM

Mind? Heck no! I smiled when I read it.:D

I'm sure I'm not the only one learning from your thread either.

I appreciate the compliment :thumbsup:

Looks good Chief!

You all need to pass some of that 'Good Camaro Day' karma my way. I purchased trunk lid #5 and it showed up yesterday. Guess what? Didn't fit worth a darn. I haven't even braved trying to get back to work on my front cap. I'm probably going to go talk to a local resto shop and see about getting them to deal with it. I've just lost my patience for it. I'm ready to start block sanding and spraying some color damnit!!

:thankyou: You can have all my karma you need, don't know if it's any good thou :D I bought my deck lid 11 years ago from Ricks and it fit just like the OEM ... guess I lucked out. I wish you luck.

I finished welding the driver's cowl .... what a PITA, made two patches where I had to slice the corners and wrestled it back in place. Weld, hammer/ dolly and more heat and she fits.

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/7797/1303171871.jpg
Good Camaro Day fer sure :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img339/928/1303171872.jpg
Finish with some epoxy primer and some undercoat!

I'll finish dressing the welds another time .... I'm beat!

Thanks for looking.... time to :relax:

waynieZ

03-17-2013, 10:19 PM

Nice work Chief it came out great.

Sonar Chief

03-18-2013, 05:47 PM

Nice work Chief it came out great.

:thankyou: I am relieved to have this welded in, I was a little hesitant when it came to welding .... you know, measure a thousand times and weld once!
I was very disappointed with the quality of the side cowls, however AMD parts were a bit closer than the other place ... maybe I am paranoid :_paranoid .

rsgt

03-18-2013, 06:13 PM

That looks really good. Keep after it.

Sonar Chief

03-20-2013, 07:34 PM

That looks really good. Keep after it.

:thankyou: Little at a time and then your are done!:relax:

Sonar Chief

03-20-2013, 07:51 PM

the car that is , now that the cowl is structurally sound it's' time to get that roof off and see what needs attention.

So... off came the roof, the front header had the most rust (POR15 TIME) and the rest is looking like it will make it fine with some epoxy primer. I was worried about the area under the pinch weld for the drip rail and it looks like I can save it:thumbsup: . Couple hours and the DeWalt and she's looking mo better.

http://imageshack.us/a/img577/6538/1303201899.jpg
Critters made a house in here!

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/5/1303201886.jpg
Break out the Blair spot weld cutter!

http://imageshack.us/a/img266/1515/1303201889.jpg
The front header had the most rust!

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/156/1303201892.jpg
Got the lead outa this side.

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/6131/1303201879.jpg
Cleaned up pretty good :D

I still have to get that drip rail part of the roof off ... that will take some delicate grinding, that's all for tonight.

Thanks for looking ....

waynieZ

03-20-2013, 09:20 PM

Nice job you'd never know it was rusted.

Sonar Chief

03-21-2013, 06:41 AM

Nice job you'd never know it was rusted.

:thankyou: That is exactly right .... but knowing the history of the car and seeing the rust everywhere else I knew the roof had to come off the car.

Gotta do it right .... steady the course :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

03-22-2013, 10:14 PM

It's snowing outside and cold but I figured I'd better get something done cuz spring break is over and it's back to school Monday. I got the roof separated from the driver's quarter and then I drilled out the spot welds across the back glass area ... it wasn't as bad as the front :thumbsup:

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/1337/1303221902.jpg
Got this all ready for epoxy!
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2419/1303221915.jpg
I'm tried of drilling out spot welds .... just surface rust.
http://imageshack.us/a/img89/808/1303221927.jpg
Cleaned up nice .... wish I could spray epoxy this weekend.

I will work on the other side this weekend and get all ready for some epoxy when the weather permits ... :popcorn2:

Thanks for looking .... it's late, more tomorrow!

makoshark

03-22-2013, 11:15 PM

Drilling out all those spot welds can kick your butt. That is one thing I am glad is over with on my build.

Sonar Chief

03-23-2013, 07:21 AM

Drilling out all those spot welds can kick your butt. That is one thing I am glad is over with on my build.

It kicked my butt last night .... but I told myself I was gonna finish this part tonight. So I fired up the heater and kept at it til it was done - it was 2300 when I got inside :thumbsup:

Looks like there is 5 inches of snow outside now and it's still snowing .... oh well. I'll be in the garage here in a short.

Roberts68

03-23-2013, 02:01 PM

Sonar Chief

03-23-2013, 04:59 PM

Chief, are you still using primarily the red or tan scothbrite type roloc discs to remove surface rust?

What sort of RPM are you using in order to not smoke through the discs like no tomorrow?

Great work ethic!

Robert

:thankyou: I am using the fiber discs on my DeWalt to get all the surface rust down to metal, definitely lasts longer than the rolocs.

Just came in for dinner ... the passenger side drip rail/ roof piece is off, what a PITA!
I will post pictures later ... need to get some heat going (8 inches of snow and maybe 28F outside, maybe 50 inside the garage) and get the drivers side done, set goals and stick to them :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

03-23-2013, 07:10 PM

got both sides of the roof/ drip rail off took longer than I thought it would. Got the lead outa the passenger quarter roof joint and continued with the drip rails ... overall a good day. Used the DeWalt and the fiber disc to clean everything down to clean metal.

http://imageshack.us/a/img715/7240/1303231930.jpg
Cleaned up the passenger side.
http://imageshack.us/a/img546/1372/1303231934.jpg
Passenger drip rail ... this will not buff out!
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/6537/1303231941.jpg
Driver's side .... uggggg!
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/241/1303231947.jpg
Parting shot .... much better with out rust:D

Thanks for looking ... more to come :thankyou:

waynieZ

03-23-2013, 09:59 PM

Awesome job!

Sonar Chief

03-24-2013, 06:34 AM

Awesome job!

:thankyou: :thankyou: The body is coming along nice, just need a roof and quarters :G-Dub: ... before I know it I'll be blocking out primer :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

03-29-2013, 04:17 PM

get those little retainers out of the headliner headers? I tried to get these out when I was cleaning up the metal on the interior and they would not come .... now with the roof off I can see how they work.

So I took a flat chisel and just popped it with a rubber mallet and they came out the bottom, kool. I know most people will never get this far with their car but that's how to get them out. Luckily the header part is galvanized and just needs cleaning.

http://imageshack.us/a/img607/956/1303291958.jpg
There are 8 across the front and 6 in the back!
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/5425/1303291961.jpg
You can see how they force the sides out when they get pushed in, kool!

I want to thank all those that have sent their condolences, I passed them onto my family. Seems friends are planning a motorcycle memorial ride for David through the mountains ... he would have liked that, as he's done it for fallen brothers.

I'm just dillydalleying around tonight .... might patch some of those holes I made in the drip rail.

Thanks for looking....
Michael

Al Moreno

03-29-2013, 08:50 PM

Great job Micheal, starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Keep it up :thumbsup:

Sonar Chief

03-30-2013, 04:41 PM

Great job Micheal, starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel. Keep it up :thumbsup:

Thank you Al ... sometimes the light gets smaller, is that bad? :lol:

Spent some time with the Camaro .... welded up most of the driver's side drip rail channel, that took longer than I thought, might have been easier to shave the drip rails :lol:

I wanted to get ready for some epoxy on the roof and b pillar and then noticed the factory black on the underside of the roof ... well time to make a big mess and get all down to metal so that is what I did today.

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/6971/1303301967.jpg
This was my view for finishing the channel ... shadow grinding?

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/8734/1303301971.jpg
Underside is all done.... :thumbsup: My arms are tired now.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/7118/1303301976.jpg
This is how she looks now!

I welded up the holes in the front header panel and dressed them up. and every time hit the topside with the disc all I could smell was mouse pee and rust :disgusted:
I plan to spray epoxy as soon as I get the pass side channel touched up ... and the weather is warmer.

Thanks for looking ...

waynieZ

03-31-2013, 09:33 PM

It looks great. Stay strong.

tubbed69

04-01-2013, 03:27 AM

thats some great detail work that takes alot of patience,keep up the good work,your gone to have a heck of a car

Sonar Chief

04-01-2013, 04:09 PM

It looks great. Stay strong.

Wayne :thankyou: She's getting there, steady the course!

thats some great detail work that takes alot of patience,keep up the good work,your gone to have a heck of a car

:thankyou: I must have OCD to keep this up, but I started out to do the right thing, not the easy thing .... so that's what keeps me going.

Thanks for looking ... should I get a roll bar in while the roof is off? I'm thinking it would be better to weld and such. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: The roof is on the way ....:D

Sonar Chief

04-07-2013, 02:53 PM

Got some epoxy sprayed :thumbsup: Finally, seems like my camaro has been naked for some time ... not any more.

Finish with the POR15 on the front header that was rusted and the rest just cleaned up with the fiber disc .... which was really good. Took most of the day to prep and spray two medium coats but it is done and came out good.

I sprayed the firewall, inside both the side cowls, top and bottom of the roof bows, drip rails, package tray and the back seat area of the quarters.

On to some pictures ... mostly one color now :headspin:

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/712/1304072015.jpg
Just too kool :thumbsup:
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/9927/1304072005.jpg
Top bow all better now.
http://imageshack.us/a/img593/985/1304072002.jpg
Drivers side cowl!
http://imageshack.us/a/img571/4430/1304071998.jpg
The rear header was in better shape than the front.
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/9540/1304071990.jpg
Inside shot of cowl :thumbsup:
http://imageshack.us/a/img191/5364/1304071994.jpg
Passenger side cowl all better!

So that is what I did today and now I must study for a Stats 512 test ....

Thanks for looking ...

makoshark

04-07-2013, 06:49 PM

Looking better and better every week! I better step up my build or you'll have yours done before I get mine done. Darn job keeps getting in my way:rolleyes:

Sonar Chief

04-08-2013, 05:57 AM

Looking better and better every week! I better step up my build or you'll have yours done before I get mine done. Darn job keeps getting in my way:rolleyes:

:thankyou: I still think you are way ahead of my timeline .... I would like to be done with the body work by summers end and working on suspension and subframe,etc.

I went back and looked at page 1 pictures .... what a difference!

makoshark

04-08-2013, 07:14 PM

Have you decided on your suspension yet?

Sonar Chief

04-09-2013, 04:02 PM

Have you decided on your suspension yet?

I will go Ride Tech all the way ... just buy the whole package deal and I won't' have to worry about things not fitting. Probably won't go triple adjust on the shocks ... just don't see the need for a street car.

If I win the lottery ... there may be changes :relax:

waynieZ

04-09-2013, 08:39 PM

It looks real nice. You did a great job.

Sonar Chief

04-10-2013, 07:35 AM

It looks real nice. You did a great job.

:thankyou: :thankyou: it may not be base coat but it sure is a milestone for me .... seeing it in epoxy :thumbsup: My roof is in and will test fit tonight!

How is your hip? Been able to get therapy and work on your car? Best wishes.

Michael

Sonar Chief

04-15-2013, 02:57 PM

Got the roof up on top of the car by myself what a PITA, basically pulled it up to the top by sliding it across the cowl (which is lined w/ wool blanket) and then ducking inside the car and kept inching it up to lay down w/o sliding off the car. Man this roof is heavy and there is no handles!

Overall the fit is good the roof looks a little wider and may have to trim (contour) some off the drip rails. Started to work on the front corners get it to lay flat on the bows and in the rails, it would fit into one side, but not both ..... needs work of course.

So I did some slicing and body hammer and it's closer, think I need to get the rails narrower so she lays into the drip rail channel without forcing it.

Anyways ... here are the pictures of the AMD roof skin straight outa the box.

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/4361/1304152025.jpg
Roof is on ... didn't drop it!
http://imageshack.us/a/img809/5746/1304152018.jpg
Drivers side corner ... too wide and wrong angle.
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/719/1304152017.jpg
Passenger side is closer ... but needs so loving :shakehead:
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/656/1304152019.jpg
Drip rail is close but too wide and will need to be trimmed!

Roof skin is real close in the back and the front will require most of my time and effort. Need to get this roof skin spot on before I tackle the quarters ... cuz then I have to lift the roof skin and put the quarters under the lip like the factory did in 67.

Thanks for looking ... more to come.

waynieZ

04-15-2013, 04:21 PM

Nice to see you have your top hat on! All the big holes are getting closed up. glad it fits pretty well some need to be sliced above the quarter to make them fit.
Thanks for asking.Feeling pretty good, going to make a small table to put the trans on and get it ready for paint.

Sonar Chief

04-22-2013, 06:31 AM

Been under the weather lately, literally .....it snowed for four days and left 18 inches last week and then the sun came out and there is very little snow left. But there is a chance for snow again today, huh ?

Worked on the front corners of the roof a little, couple slices and some hammering. My AMD rep reported that his people are measuring some door skins for me and they will be here this week ....they better fit, cuz I need to reference the door before I take off the quarters.

And I ordered Chassisworks' Mini Tubs w/ closeout panels :thumbsup: they should be here this week also!!!

Thanks

Rhino

04-22-2013, 07:21 AM

The roof skin on my '68 was exactly the same. I ended up having to trim both drip rails. The rear window corners were a major PITA. Ultimately I ended up cutting the window channel corners free from the roof, reshaping it, and adding in a pie shaped wedge to fill in the gaps vacated when I pulled the corners in.

It also seemed a little "short" from front to back. I ended up welding a few 3/4 washers to the window channel in front and back, then used ratchet straps to stretch everything into place. It worked fantastic to pull everything into place, and as an added bonus put a good bit of tension on the metal preventing much of the oilcanning I've noticed on some replaced roof skins.

tubbed69

04-22-2013, 08:11 AM

just got my AMD roof on and it also needed alot of attention,your doing a great job with this car,greta detail work

tubbed69

04-22-2013, 08:17 AM

also covered inside with Fatmat before final install,really made it solid and easier now than laterhttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa339/tubbed69/P1000739_zps7617dfb6.jpg (http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/tubbed69/media/P1000739_zps7617dfb6.jpg.html)

Sonar Chief

04-22-2013, 04:26 PM

for the heads up, appreciate the info!

The roof skin on my '68 was exactly the same. I ended up having to trim both drip rails. The rear window corners were a major PITA. Ultimately I ended up cutting the window channel corners free from the roof, reshaping it, and adding in a pie shaped wedge to fill in the gaps vacated when I pulled the corners in.

It also seemed a little "short" from front to back. I ended up welding a few 3/4 washers to the window channel in front and back, then used ratchet straps to stretch everything into place. It worked fantastic to pull everything into place, and as an added bonus put a good bit of tension on the metal preventing much of the oilcanning I've noticed on some replaced roof skins.

Rhino ... seems I have the length ok. Hey, did you use the factory trim around the front and back? Did you fit the radius on the corners to see if the roof would match up? Been thinking of digging mine out and doing just that ... before I weld. I may have to cut out corners to get it to lay flat also ... we'll see, thanks.

just got my AMD roof on and it also needed alot of attention,your doing a great job with this car,greta detail work

Thanks ... this roof will require some thought, multiple angles of the dangles and radius to match the window dressing.
Your car is coming out fantastic ... seems like it is moving along very fast. LOOKING NICE!

also covered inside with Fatmat before final install,really made it solid and easier now than laterhttp://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa339/tubbed69/P1000739_zps7617dfb6.jpg (http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/tubbed69/media/P1000739_zps7617dfb6.jpg.html)

I am going to order Spectrum 2nd skin here real quick so I can get the inside of the quarters and the underside of the roof as well ... that Fatman looks good too. ANYTHING is better than a bare roof :thumbsup:

OH YEAH, IT'S SNOWING AGAIN!!!!!

Rhino

04-22-2013, 04:36 PM

Rhino ... seems I have the length ok. Hey, did you use the factory trim around the front and back? Did you fit the radius on the corners to see if the roof would match up? Been thinking of digging mine out and doing just that ... before I weld. I may have to cut out corners to get it to lay flat also ... we'll see, thanks.

Very good point, and something I had driven far from my memory :)
I did buy my trim ahead of time and test fitted the contour of it to the roof skin. I'm really particular to how the window trim fits and was appalled by the gaps right out of the box.
Seeing how poorly the two fit prior to any modification is what drove me to rebuilding the corners.

tubbed69

04-22-2013, 06:59 PM

The drivers side rear chrome fit real well on mine but the right rear was way off and had to do some work to front corners also.

makoshark

04-23-2013, 07:14 AM

I highly suggest everyone read this site. It is completely unnecessary to cover an entire panel in sound deadener...

http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/how-to/install-cld-tile%E2%84%A2

I'm a car audio nut from way back and all these builds where everyone covers every square inch of a panel is only adding more weight to the vehicle and spending more money than needed.

Sonar Chief

04-23-2013, 07:41 AM

Very good point, and something I had driven far from my memory :)
I did buy my trim ahead of time and test fitted the contour of it to the roof skin. I'm really particular to how the window trim fits and was appalled by the gaps right out of the box.
Seeing how poorly the two fit prior to any modification is what drove me to rebuilding the corners.

I will have to find my trim pieces fer sure ... hopefully the rear and front are different, cuz I can't remember which is which.

The drivers side rear chrome fit real well on mine but the right rear was way off and had to do some work to front corners also.

Thanks seems like I have my work cut out for me ... oh well, nothing new!!!

I highly suggest everyone read this site. It is completely unnecessary to cover an entire panel in sound deadener...

http://sounddeadenershowdown.com/how-to/install-cld-tile%E2%84%A2

I'm a car audio nut from way back and all these builds where everyone covers every square inch of a panel is only adding more weight to the vehicle and spending more money than needed.

Jeremy ... I've read something similar to this website before, and I read this one also. I like his use of tiles to cover 25% and then the mass loaded vinyl, I planned to use Spectrum on the inside quarters and the sail panel cuz it sprays to cover. I will spray the roof just cuz it's not installed yet.

Thanks for the link .... everyone should read this info in this link!

makoshark

04-23-2013, 10:34 AM

dinos67's

04-23-2013, 04:45 PM

Wow I respect your level of commitment looks great and its a home build look out your car is looking sharp

Sonar Chief

04-23-2013, 05:07 PM

I'm not real familiar with the products like Lizard Skin. Those types of products are relatively new to the market. I haven't messed around with car audio very much since the early 2000's, so haven't kept up with the market.

One thing we have to remember is we are not building a Mercedes. There's a lot of great builds on this site as well as others. I think we are getting to a point where we are trying to refine our cars to meet the standards of such brands as Mercedes, BMW, etc.. To each his own though. For me, I like to add some refinements to our old steel, but still keep the car true to its roots.

With that said, I do plan to use UPol Raptor liner underneath my car and in the trunk area. I also plan to use Dynamat Xtreme along with a CCF. I'm keeping the jute padding on my carpet and not utilizing anything like MLV. That stuff is extremely heavy. If I were building a stereo system on wheels, then I'd go all out. However, its not really necessary for my build as well as many others.

I am not building a stereo on wheels .... I may do a radio delete and let the engine sing! I will use the 2nd skin on the underside and the trunk and their Firewall product for heat dissipation on the the firewall.

Wow I respect your level of commitment looks great and its a home build look out your car is looking sharp

:thankyou: I do appreciate the comment, I hope people can learn from my thread as I have from many threads in this forum .... good people fer sure!

spdcrazy

04-24-2013, 12:33 AM

hey uncle mike! Rob from ak here.

great build thus Far. glad to see I'm not the only car nut to post the life of my car/trucks facelifts on the internet!

makoshark

04-24-2013, 02:37 PM

I am not building a stereo on wheels .... I may do a radio delete and let the engine sing! I will use the 2nd skin on the underside and the trunk and their Firewall product for heat dissipation on the the firewall.

I'm putting an extensive system in my car:)

Sonar Chief

04-25-2013, 05:39 PM

hey uncle mike! Rob from ak here.

great build thus Far. glad to see I'm not the only car nut to post the life of my car/trucks facelifts on the internet!

Hey Rob .... yeah there are a lot of facelifting going on here, just mine is a whole body lift.:thankyou:

I'm putting an extensive system in my car:)

I am just not an audio enthusiast .... how much does all that weight?

So, my birthday present to myself came today .... Chassisworks mini tubs with close out panels. I'm pretty happy, nice quality and everything is stamp with a part # .... instructions are one page, put em in the car :headscratch:

Pictures will follow ... maybe this weekend I can get on em, the roof can wait, this is too cool to let sit idle.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4462/1304252072.jpg
Birthday present for the Camaro from me!

Thanks for looking ....

makoshark

04-25-2013, 06:11 PM

I wasn't even aware that Chassisworks made tub kits. Having those prefab closeout panels will definitely save a lot of time.

I think the system I have put together weighs in around 135# including the wiring. Not everyone is into audio like myself, I understand that. We all have different goals for our cars. I come from a musician background, so music is a huge part of who I am. I don't play in any bands anymore, but still like to have a nice system. This is the first audio system I have done in nearly 10 years, so I'm anxious to get it and the damn car done!

What color are you planning to do on your car or have you decided on that yet?

tubbed69

04-26-2013, 08:52 AM

that sure is a nice kit with the closeout panels,sure will save time

Sonar Chief

04-26-2013, 08:44 PM

I wasn't even aware that Chassisworks made tub kits. Having those prefab closeout panels will definitely save a lot of time.

What color are you planning to do on your car or have you decided on that yet?

What color? I keep changing my mind :confused59:

that sure is a nice kit with the closeout panels,sure will save time

That is what I thought .... and then I got to cutting and stopped to check where these close out panels were gonna fit, I think they sent me a staggered shock close out :bang: :bang: instead of same side shocks.

Take a look and see, I have not done this before, but I'm sure that piece is not for a 67 Camaro.

http://imageshack.us/a/img21/7236/1304262077.jpg
That's a big hole!
http://imageshack.us/a/img402/4442/1304262076.jpg
This is not gonna fit here :hairpullout:
http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9109/1304262080.jpg
This is the shock tower in the front!

Any comments or pixs of 67 Camaro close out panels would be appreciated.

I still have more cutting to do so not all is lost ... more than enough to keep me busy this weekend.

Thanks for lookin ...

makoshark

04-26-2013, 08:52 PM

Those are indeed 68-9 closeout panels. You'll either have to come up with our own on the drivers side or check to see if they sell a panel and will swap for the 67. DSE's tubs were for 68-9 only and I had to add a strip to the tub to fill the hole they left due to the staggered shock

tubbed69

04-27-2013, 03:32 AM

just as Makoshark said they are for a 68-69,hopefully they can trade it out for one for a 67

makoshark

04-27-2013, 09:00 AM

Does Chassisworks make a kit specific to the 67? I know that DSE doesn't make a kit specific to the 67.

Sonar Chief

04-27-2013, 09:41 AM

Does Chassisworks make a kit specific to the 67? I know that DSE doesn't make a kit specific to the 67.

Just got off the phone with Chassisworks and there is NO specific kit for the 67 Camaro ... that would have been nice to know before I ordered the kit w/ close outs that I don't need.

The rep on the phone said I was the only one to report that it didn't fit 67 Camaro's .....uhhhh?

makoshark

04-27-2013, 09:50 AM

The rep on the phone said I was the only one to report that it didn't fit 67 Camaro's .....uhhhh?

The last sales rep that tried to pull that BS on me got ripped. I get so sick and tired of hearing these reps say that I'm the only one to ever report such an issue. Nonetheless, you can still use the kit. You will just have to modify the one closeout for that side and add a small strip of metal to the tub. You can look back through my thread and see where I did all that.

waynieZ

04-27-2013, 03:54 PM

Can you copy the one from the other side, or is it different?

Sonar Chief

04-27-2013, 04:28 PM

The last sales rep that tried to pull that BS on me got ripped. I get so sick and tired of hearing these reps say that I'm the only one to ever report such an issue. Nonetheless, you can still use the kit. You will just have to modify the one closeout for that side and add a small strip of metal to the tub. You can look back through my thread and see where I did all that.

I know I'm not the only one to work on a 67 Camaro, right? I'll look thru your thread.

Can you copy the one from the other side, or is it different?

I think I can copy the other side, just don't want to use the close outs now cuz then I can't return them .... cuz they charge you extra for the stamped close outs.

Sonar Chief

04-28-2013, 11:59 AM

What the Halibut? Really ... Chassisworks can't even get a mini tub correct:hairpullout:

Take a look and see for yourself, (sorry for the really big pixs) I marked at 2" and folded over @ 2.75" and had to cut up over the shock tower and floor pan at 2.75" (too many layers to fold and the rail in way).

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/8489/1304282082.JPG
Something doesn't look right!
http://imageshack.us/a/img853/7441/1304282089.jpg
Can you see the 2" mark and where I bent the flange @ 2.75!
http://imageshack.us/a/img825/631/1304282085.jpg
This is the measurement I took BEFORE 9.25 + 2.75 = 12 RIGHT?
http://imageshack.us/a/img14/8016/1304282087.jpg
All is clamped right!

I measured the pass side and it's the same ... not gonna be good!

If the is a Chassisworks rep reading this I would like some answers .... please reply.

Should have just ordered from DSE :hairpullout:

tubbed69

04-28-2013, 12:44 PM

that really sucks,sounded great having a kit with closeout patterns,I did not see the price of the Chassisworks but DSE parts are expensive but have great quality

waynieZ

04-28-2013, 03:42 PM

Sorry to hear this.

Sonar Chief

04-29-2013, 04:24 PM

that really sucks,sounded great having a kit with closeout patterns,I did not see the price of the Chassisworks but DSE parts are expensive but have great quality

Yeah it SUCKS .... the price is DSE plus $50.00 for the closeouts + shipping. I have to make my own close out panel anyway - nothing for a 67 Camaro!

Sorry to hear this.

Thanks ... I'm working w/ Chassisworks to see what went wrong with the tubs .....I'm the first one to say something? We'll see how the customer service rates :popcorn2:, meantime I don't have mini tubs installed :bang:

Sonar Chief

05-01-2013, 05:50 PM

Chris Alston Sr. of Chassisworks called today to figure out my mini tub issue... that was cool and excellent customer service.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

We decided to wait til my outer wheel houses come to see where everything lines up with my car, if I want to return them he's OK with that,
or we can see about making them work. He hadn't worked on a non-staggered shock Camaro and didn't know about the closeouts
not fitting .... does now!

Chris also offered to make my closeouts for my Camaro if I send him a scanned jpg of what I need.... A+++++ rating from me.

So,I'll wait til my outer wheel houses come in and go from there, back on to the roof issues.
..:popcorn2:

Oh yeah, it is snowing again (10" so far) on the first day of May, should be upwards of 50 by the weekend, that's good enough to work in the garage.