Greg Weld's 65 Mustang fastback track car

[DBasher]

Just show the damn car already!!


Ya, can't wait to see it and get your feedback on it.

:cheers:
Dan

[Track Junky]

Track junky
I have been running 245'-18's on the front of my
Pantera for over 8 years now. Brakes are 12.2 wilwood 6 piston
Bush grand national stuff... Yes roundly round stuff
Never have locked or flat spotted any tires. I do have
315-18's out back. Car is mid engine and it took a while
To balance out but that is what it is about ..proportioning valve

He'll my old mustang (Chet's car now) had Baer 6 pistons
Up front and drums in the back. Car is very light but still
Stopped very well. 245-16's all the way around
That car was 2810lbs so that helps
Greg's should be lighter. Weight always wins in my book

Pantera is beefy at 3040 lbs

Panteracer

I've alway said it boils down to weight and tires. I'm always looking for ways to shed weight.
After 4 years of trying to balance the suspension(with what I'm working with anyways) I finally feel like its where i want it. Working on adding more power now and waiting to see what I'll break next.

[Sieg]

I'm always looking for ways to shed weight.

Call Todd.

:underchair:

GW - I'm hoping it will be better after the battery is cycled a few more times.

[Panteracer]

Seems if you are over 600hp
That is where things start to break
But with the new tire tech it takes more
toll on drive train etc

I recently lost 10 lbs so my car is now lighter:)

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

Seems if you are over 600hp
That is where things start to break
But with the new tire tech it takes more
toll on drive train etc

I recently lost 10 lbs so my car is now lighter:)

Panteracer

I'm at 590hp so the motor must know that and say "fine... As long as you don't push it buster!!"

[GregWeld]

I just really don't understand why it takes some of you guys months and months and some even stretch into YEARS to get your car stuff done.... LOL




Powertrain is in.
Composite leafs have arrived - rear end is going in this week.
New corrected spindles shipped today :)
Shocks will be last thing to arrive later this week or early next.

The car will be all set up for you to pick up on October 16th.

[intocarss]

I just really don't understand why it takes some of you guys months and months and some even stretch into YEARS to get your car stuff done.... LOL




Powertrain is in.
Composite leafs have arrived - rear end is going in this week.
New corrected spindles shipped today :)
Shocks will be last thing to arrive later this week or early next.

The car will be all set up for you to pick up on October 16th. And there's your answer :hello: :secret:

[GregWeld]

And there's your answer :hello: :secret:



Most of the cars on here are pro built.... and they're still years in the making.


But I do fully understand the dilemma which is why I put the LOL after my first line. I've been doing everything on my own for years now -- and I have to say it's pretty nice just making a few decisions and having it done!

[Stuart Adams]

Most of the cars on here are pro built.... and they're still years in the making.


But I do fully understand the dilemma which is why I put the LOL after my first line. I've been doing everything on my own for years now -- and I have to say it's pretty nice just making a few decisions and having it done!


I thought they were never done!!

[GregWeld]

I thought they were never done!!





You're right Stuart.... Doesn't matter what it is - if it has 4 wheels they're never done.

I feel like I'm just getting my drivers license! I can't wait to see if there's some real differences in the new set up. I only wish Gaetano was signed up - cause then I could lap his sorry butt. LOL

In my dreams.

[Track Junky]

Your killing me Weld!! If I could call in sick next weekend I would.......damn contractor is behind schedule!! :bang:

[GregWeld]

It's looking pretty near completion! Ought to be good to go for Friday Tech Session... and Saturday runnin'!








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[DBasher]

Ooooooweee, that sure looks nice! Besides the brakes and wheels it looks like they actually washed it!

I'll see you Sunday with some lunch money.
:thankyou:

[camcojb]

Ooooooweee, that sure looks nice! Besides the brakes and wheels it looks like they actually washed it!

I'll see you Sunday with some lunch money.
:thankyou:
I agree, the car looks great. :thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

I love the new wheels and the stance looks spot on. I can't wait to here how the car does on the track.

It's looking pretty near completion! Ought to be good to go for Friday Tech Session... and Saturday runnin'!

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[Track Junky]

Wow looks great Greg. Be safe out there.

[358Mustang]

I just really don't understand why it takes some of you guys months and months and some even stretch into YEARS to get your car stuff done.... LOL


The car will be all set up for you to pick up on October 16th.


LOL!! We are slackers that's why

[GregWeld]

Thanks guys! It will be interesting for sure!



Thank gawd I'll have Ron there to tweak things.... and by mid Sunday afternoon she should be going pretty good!

[Ron in SoCal]

Looks awesome Greg :cheers:

[Vegas69]

That does look sweet...

[65 347]

Greg the wheels and stance look awesome! It looks like it still partly on the lift, is it going to sit lower? I have the same year and have mine is that low. Have fun driving it.
Mike

[Sieg]

Looks awesome and I'm guessing the performance gains will be similar. :thumbsup:

1st week in August to third week in October.......all things considered pretty impressive feat Mr. Sutton. :cheers:

That said.........Good Luck!

[Flash68]

I'm with Charley.... it looked better before.

[GregWeld]

Basher -- Hope you're driving a pickup! I have a LOT of parts that came off the car that have your name on them.

[GregWeld]

I'm with Charley.... it looked better before.




Like I care what he thinks.....

[Track Junky]

I just showed the picture of your car to my wife. Her response, "Oh my God!! That's his car? Whats he doing driving a Ford!!" :lol:

[GregWeld]

I just showed the picture of your car to my wife. Her response, "Oh my God!! That's his car? Whats he doing driving a Ford!!" :lol:




It's okay - I love her anyway!!!



I was going to make some snide comment about driving a Ford only at the track -- but then I realized I have 4 of them..... WTF!

[Track Junky]

It's okay - I love her anyway!!!



I was going to make some snide comment about driving a Ford only at the track -- but then I realized I have 4 of them..... WTF!

I just told her. She laughed.

[358Mustang]

Whoa whoa whoa. The Ford hate is much to high in this thread..... :bigun2:

[intocarss]

Looks real good GW. BUT it's still a Furd.... Be SAFE out there

[DBasher]

Basher -- Hope you're driving a pickup! I have a LOT of parts that came off the car that have your name on them.

See you in a few days!
:thumbsup:

[Panteracer]

We are rolling in early Sunday pm
to see you guys. Zr1 buddy said I could
Grab a ride before we run on Monday with
Cfra boys. Will stop by and bs

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

It was a thrash for the boys at BMR and Mister Ron Sutton..... but the "new" Mustang is here at Thunderhill....





Motor was redone at Borello... makes almost the same identical power... Improved Oil pressures! But more importantly -- for whatever reason - it SOUNDS better.






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Some minor upgrades and Rons secret set up sauce. I'm learning this is MORE THAN just buying brand name parts and throwing them on... WAY MORE. The parts aren't squat without the right things being done with them. I don't know what needs to be done with them - That's why I hire Ron Sutton.






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[Vince@Meanstreets]

stance is perfect Greg.

[Vegas69]

Gorgeous work....Looking forward to hearing how she performs.

[camcojb]

I like it, I think the car looks great. :thumbsup:

[silvermonte]

Would you able explain some about the ends of the leaf springs? Ive never seen the ends look like that before.

[FETorino]

Would you able explain some about the ends of the leaf springs? Ive never seen the ends look like that before.

It looks like he is running composite monoleafs. Unlike a steel spring which has a wrap around the bushing (basically a loop on the end of the spring) the composite spring has a bolt on bushing housing. :cheers:

[gerno]

I see your Accusump is in the rear of the car. I was thinking to place mine near the engine to reduce the length of hose needed. Did you speak to anyone about where to place it before you install the tank in your car? If so do you have any feedback?

[craig510]

Greg,

I doubt Ron and his guys would have missed this, but I had to trim a bunch off of my outer shock outer tower braces / factory bump stop mounts for tire clearance when I went to that much backspace (I know a lot of mustang guys that just remove them when they go to coil overs). Depending on your camber gain and travel, it looks like the tire could get into it at full bump.

The car looks great by the way. I really like those wheels.

This is how mine turned out:

They still rubbed during autoX runs even after I took a cut on them.
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So I cut more and braced it back up with 5/16 rod.
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-Craig

[SSLance]

Ron Sutton Secret Sauce for the win! Go get 'em Greg! Have fun this weekend.

[clill]

He was having fun as of yesterday. Car seems to be dialed in pretty well and was hauling ass. Ron was there tweaking little stuff but pretty impressive for all the work that was just done to it.

[Sieg]

He was having fun as of yesterday. Car seems to be dialed in pretty well and was hauling ass. Ron was there tweaking little stuff but pretty impressive for all the work that was just done to it.

Nice! :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

Greg and Ron were dialing the car in and by the last session Greg was saying it felt like the Lotus. Last session of the day he had a car go off track right in front of him which caused Greg to spin. The rear popped a pinion seal and she was leaking pretty good.
I loaded up from there. Pretty sure he was running the Lotus today.

[GregWeld]

Car was running 3:47 for the 5 mile config.... I have no idea if that's good bad or indifferent.


The Mustang is like a completely different animal now... totally neutral handling - and just had so much grip... and best yet - didn't do anything weird. The motor is more powerful FEELING. It also just flat sounds better. The brakes give great feel and were very effective. All in all.... WONDERFUL.


The pinion seal issue was unforeseen and really not fixable at the track -- so I said "that's why I have a back up car!".... We'll fix this later as it's a very minor deal.

I can't tell you guys how impressed I am with what Ron has been able to do with the old girl. It's not just the parts.... it's how they all work together. I can't say "this" was better or "that" made a difference. The cars running gear is all new... and it ALL made a difference. Where I used to lift and roll thru turns 7 and 8 --- I'm now taking WOT.... that's just HUGE! The off camber turn 3 is just no biggie now -- where I was always just waiting for the ass to step out.... My confidence level and fun factor just went up by 100 fold. Amazing. What a great weekend!

[Track Junky]

Not to mention how much different the car sounds. Waaaaay Bad Ass!!

[GregWeld]

AIR!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA







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[Track Junky]

That's Awesome!! :cheering:

[GregWeld]

And since this is a Mustang thread.....






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[glassman]

That is a beautiful picture right there. Perfect contrast imo.
Glad to here is close to being or is dialed. Hard work=rewards.
Too bad about the pinion seal but i guess thats all part of the fun. Beats what i was doing all weekend...

[Sieg]

Hard work=rewards.
Yeah, he busted his a$$ on this one.

[FETorino]

Yeah, he busted his a$$ on this one.

Yeah, somebody did.

:lmao: :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: :lmao: :lol: :lmao:

Great photo. Good choice in wheels.

:cheers:

[DBasher]

And since this is a Mustang thread.....






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Great picture. Car looks and sounds better than ever! Thanks for the hospitality and the hook up with Chet, I'm pretty sure I had a good day.

If you've got video of the last session with the Panoz and Porsche I'd love to see it from your view, that was some good racing!

:thumbsup:
Dan

[Che70velle]

Greg, is the rear window in the mustang lexan? In the photo above, it looks like the top of the window is pulling down? Could be just an illusion...
Car looks great, and I'm glad you chose to work with Ron. Enjoy!

[clill]

Yes it is a R model rear window.

[Ron Sutton]

Would you able explain some about the ends of the leaf springs? Ive never seen the ends look like that before.

Rob is correct. They are a composite leaf spring I had made in a specific spring rate for this package.

The advantages are significantly lighter weight & less harmonics. But I only recommend them if you're running a panhard bar or watts link with them, like we were here, so they don't see much twisting forces.

[Ron Sutton]

Hi Craig!

Greg,

I doubt Ron and his guys would have missed this, but I had to trim a bunch off of my outer shock outer tower braces / factory bump stop mounts for tire clearance when I went to that much backspace (I know a lot of mustang guys that just remove them when they go to coil overs). Depending on your camber gain and travel, it looks like the tire could get into it at full bump.

The car looks great by the way. I really like those wheels.

This is how mine turned out:

They still rubbed during autoX runs even after I took a cut on them.


-Craig

We removed the factory bump stops. No rubbing.

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

He was having fun as of yesterday. Car seems to be dialed in pretty well and was hauling ass. Ron was there tweaking little stuff but pretty impressive for all the work that was just done to it.

Thanks Charlie!

The only thing I tuned on Saturday was tire pressure & brake bias. The car was neutral off the trailer. We'll dial some more grip in the front or rear when we find the limits.

While we weren't at the limits in these first sessions, it was fun to see Greg passing many of the cars & drivers that were previously faster than him.

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

Greg and Ron were dialing the car in and by the last session Greg was saying it felt like the Lotus. Last session of the day he had a car go off track right in front of him which caused Greg to spin. The rear popped a pinion seal and she was leaking pretty good.
I loaded up from there. Pretty sure he was running the Lotus today.

Hey G!

It was fun hanging with you Saturday. Camaro looked good on track.

Greg told me his goal was to have the Mustang feel 25% like the Lotus & we achieved 75% ... which was fun to hear. Of course I would have gladly drove back to Sac, got parts & fixed the pinion seal problem, but he'd only get a session or two. So Greg made the call to do it later & drove the Lotus Sunday.

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Greg, it was a fun project & a rewarding track day. Thanks for the opportunity to make your car handle, steer & brake better.

Car was running 3:47 for the 5 mile config.... I have no idea if that's good bad or indifferent.


The Mustang is like a completely different animal now... totally neutral handling - and just had so much grip... and best yet - didn't do anything weird.
This is a combination of a balanced high travel/low roll suspension strategy combined with zero stiction & secret sauce JRI shocks.

The motor is more powerful FEELING. It also just flat sounds better. The brakes give great feel and were very effective.
Now you have some real brakes you can be confident in when driving in deep.

All in all.... WONDERFUL.
SWEET !

The pinion seal issue was unforeseen and really not fixable at the track -- so I said "that's why I have a back up car!".... We'll fix this later as it's a very minor deal.

I can't tell you guys how impressed I am with what Ron has been able to do with the old girl. It's not just the parts.... it's how they all work together. I can't say "this" was better or "that" made a difference. The cars running gear is all new... and it ALL made a difference. Where I used to lift and roll thru turns 7 and 8 --- I'm now taking WOT.... that's just HUGE! The off camber turn 3 is just no biggie now -- where I was always just waiting for the ass to step out.... My confidence level and fun factor just went up by 100 fold. Amazing. What a great weekend!

Like we discussed after your first hard run, the new low roll angle suspension set-up not only has a ton more gripacity (a new made up word ... LOL) & cornering speed ... it's not "edgy" like the old high roll angle set-up was ... and you can run any line with it now.


:trophy-1302:

[Sieg]

Nice work Ron, not surprised with the outcome. :thumbsup:

[Jr]

I'm sure I missed it, but what size brakes front and rear?

The wheels do complement the car.

[Ron Sutton]

Nice work Ron, not surprised with the outcome. :thumbsup:

Thanks Sieg!


:cheers:

[camcojb]

Pretty impressive that on it's first time out with a completely new setup it works so well. Says a lot about the guy who picked the parts. :thumbsup:

[SSLance]

I'm not surprised a bit that it was fast off the truck.

I can't wait until Greg has a bit of free time to talk more about how it felt to drive it now.

[Sieg]

Thanks Sieg!


:cheers:



Welcome..........you earned it!

PS - You seriously need a photo/video assistant to document your successes. :whistling:

GW too! :angel:

[GregWeld]

Greg, is the rear window in the mustang lexan? In the photo above, it looks like the top of the window is pulling down? Could be just an illusion...
Car looks great, and I'm glad you chose to work with Ron. Enjoy!




The "R Code" windows for these cars (readily available) don't connect along the top and are purposely "bowed" in... this lets the pressure out of the inside of the cars since they have no side windows and that big back glass/slope catches a lot of air. The shape of the back glass creates a low pressure area just aft of the roof.





Pretty impressive that on it's first time out with a completely new setup it works so well. Says a lot about the guy who picked the parts. :thumbsup:




I will continue to ATTEMPT to get people to understand that setting these up is SO MUCH MORE than just the parts being purchased. In fact -- I think that's most likely what I've learned the most lately. Everybody goes out and buys parts.... bolt them on and expect to have this fantastic handling "track/pro touring car". <buzzer> There's just so much more to it --- and we ALL need professional help like a guy can get from Ron Sutton.





I'm not surprised a bit that it was fast off the truck.

I can't wait until Greg has a bit of free time to talk more about how it felt to drive it now.



Lance -- Like you, I'm not surprised one bit by the car - I knew it would be miles better... I didn't expect it to be WORLDS better!

I don't think I can explain in writing what the differences are overall. There were a myriad of little things that weren't working on the old set up. Heim joints that were sticking - bearing frozen up - shocks that were just flat shot. It's easy to fix a couple things and think - AH HA! That's the ticket... or just go buy the newest hot shock... and probably the car would feel better. But when you just start with a clean sheet of paper - the way I let Ron do it.... There's just no description to compare old vs new. Drive a bone stock 69 Camaro - then bolt on all the latest parts - and it's going to feel like OMG better.

Now --- This was a well built track car.... plenty of power - sticky tires - good, but old, parts. Even with the old worn old sticky parts -- I could still get in and drive it pretty well. NOW THEN -- the new stuff works like SILK -- the car is SMOOTH.... GLUED DOWN.... no side stepping -- no porpoising.... no weird clunks... no weird squatting that it did on RH turns that it didn't do on LH turns.

Now -- either turn is identical -- The nose is FLAT - the rear is FLAT... ease into the brakes and the nose just takes a nice set and stays there - and when you release it doesn't snap up suddenly. Punch the gas and it doesn't squat - it just goes... Get off line --- big whoop -- you can turn it inside or you can go wide... it goes exactly where you want to steer it. Go flying over the Crows nest -- I used to have to wait for it to settle... and it did a bit of "yawing" or sashaying around in the off camber RH downhill.... now it goes up and over... compresses nicely - no sashaying... no bobbling around... you just dial in some steering and off we go to the next corner.

Charley used to yell at me for lifting in T8..... and I honestly tried the best I could to stay in it... but it was f'n scary! He'd just run away from me on that section.... This time out - I was WOT from 6 until I made the transition before 9... I was friggin' flying back there. Never could do that before.

Frankly -- there just wasn't a single place where I didn't have 100% confidence to make the car do what I needed it to do. That is the way the Lotus drives! Now I have TWO Lotuses!! I used to describe the Mustang as driving a "pissed off bull".... that description no longer applies. Now it's quick and light and nimble and stable and responsive as hell. I may no longer need the Lotus. It used to be "refreshing" to get into her but now I'd have to ask myself why I'd want to drive the Lotus when I can run the Mustang and be just about as quick.


Here's another "item". Gaetano used to tell me I should run Blue Group -- and I was always "NO WAY!"... those guys are FAST!! Well.... I ran with Blue Group... and not only can I keep up -- I can pass some of them!! I won't run Blue Group... but I know now that I don't have to say NO WAY.

[SSLance]

:gitrdun: :woot:

While on a smaller scale, I can relate to the feeling of going out in a properly setup car after trying to drive it fast improperly setup. It's very confidence inspiring...isn't it?

Congrats... When is the next track day?

[GregWeld]

Great picture. Car looks and sounds better than ever! Thanks for the hospitality and the hook up with Chet, I'm pretty sure I had a good day.

If you've got video of the last session with the Panoz and Porsche I'd love to see it from your view, that was some good racing!

:thumbsup:
Dan



By far the most fun track session I've ever run. What a hoot. You can only imagine my disappointment when I discovered the "auto start" AiM Smarty Cam (should maybe be called STUPID CAM) didn't auto anything. So no video. I'm bummed because for me - it was epic!

[Sieg]

The best suspension components available are only mediocre when attached to improperly aligned pickup points.......at least that's my perception.

[Vegas69]

Answer the question we all want to know. How many times did you lap Gaetano?

[Track Junky]

Hey G!

It was fun hanging with you Saturday. Camaro looked good on track.

Greg told me his goal was to have the Mustang feel 25% like the Lotus & we achieved 75% ... which was fun to hear. Of course I would have gladly drove back to Sac, got parts & fixed the pinion seal problem, but he'd only get a session or two. So Greg made the call to do it later & drove the Lotus Sunday.



Definitely another great time Ron!! Its taking me 4 years to get the Camaro to where it is and I couldn't have done it this year without you. The tech support you provide on this site is priceless. Not to mention the huge difference the shocks I got from you made. There wasn't any car in front of me in that new back section that I couldn't out handle. Passing the stock car and the 4 Z06's back there was another one of the high lights of my day.
Hope to see you back out with us in April. :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

Guys ... all of you ... thanks for all the kind words. I love helping guys/gals make their cars perform at high levels & haul ass. The Pro Touring, Autocross & Track Car projects have been fun & rewarding. Frankly, for me and the world I'm from, it's been easy to achieve big gains if we do our homework & do stuff right.

Greg, I appreciate you giving me free reign on the Mustang. It allowed me to get everything corrected, all the little details right and the overall car "happy." Next track day, we'll push her til we find the corner limits ... tune on the secret sauce valved JRi shocks ... and raise the limits. :)

This Fall/Winter ... along with doing shocks, brakes & suspensions for guys doing their own projects or having them done in shops ... I hope to do 3-4 car projects at BMR & Tolle's shops. For anyone not familiar with how I work ... I don't wrench on cars (Greg ... shhh) ... I design the suspension set-up, dial in the geometry, design & manufacture any custom parts needed, order the rest ... and have guys at shops I trust do the install with my oversight.

Bill McAnally Racing is 5-time NASCAR K&N Pro Series West Champion team and a long time alliance of mine. I utilized their team to do all the measuring, disassembly, minor fab work, reassembly & set-up on Greg's car. Another shop I use is Tolle Fab ... Mike Tolle ... who also builds Daytona Prototype, GT & other road race cars ... just down the street from my shop in Sacramento. He's an excellent pro race caliber craftsman I use to install my AutoX-Star & Track-Star line of front & rear suspensions, roll cages, etc. Of course I have clients doing their own fab with my suspensions & roll cage kits or having a shop near them doing it for them. Doesn't matter to me, as long as we do it right. I have another shop that builds my Street & Track Warrior complete cars. If anyone following along is looking to improve their braking, safety, handling or aero ... feel free to reach out to me.

Who is going to SEMA and/or Scottsdale ? I'll be at both ... including Jody's fun Lat-G party. I see some beers, food & bad jokes in our near future.

:cheers:

[Flash68]

Well done Ron. When a discerning buyer like GW is happy, you've done your job and then some. :cheers:

[Flash68]

Answer the question we all want to know. How many times did you lap Gaetano?

Gaetano was pretty stoked about passing the 4 guys who brought out their Vettes on the track for the first time for a little Sunday drive.

[GregWeld]

Well done Ron. When a discerning buyer like GW is happy, you've done your job and then some. :cheers:




His expertise is invaluable. My goal was to make both cars "more fun" to drive. These are TRACK DAYS not races.... and I just want to go out and enjoy the experience.. hang with my buddies... pass some slow guys if I can... dice a bit with the guys I can run with. Ron's knowledge and experience has made my track time so much more fun that I can hardly stand it. He teaches me why this or that is happening -- what to think about -- how to drive differently -- how to calm down... so it's a complete package deal for me.

I didn't want to just "patch" the existing car. I wanted a completely fresh examination of what it WAS and then what could be better. The car exceeded my wildest expectations. I can't wait to get it back on the track.




Gaetano was pretty stoked about passing the 4 guys who brought out their Vettes on the track for the first time for a little Sunday drive.




In the drivers meetings they always talk about getting the checkered flag -- and what that means -- they point out that the checkered flag means you get to go back to the pits and take 10 seconds off your lap times and lie about how many people you passed. I never realized that Gaetano had run with this group so many times that they adapted their speech around him.

[GregWeld]

Answer the question we all want to know. How many times did you lap Gaetano?



Saturdays track time was a complete mess --- lots of off track excursions --- wrecks ---- EVERYONE was learning the new Thill WEST section. Frankly - until I ran it several laps I found it to be frightening... then you learn it and you can start to mess with the lines and get it handled. Gaetano came up early Saturday morning -- and then had issues with something, Brakes I think... and the day was done. He didn't come back for Sunday --- FUNDAY --- which was running FAR more smoothly and everyone was learning the track and generally behaving better.

It's so hard to actually be able to run with someone in this events. We are called down to hot pit -- you line up and then wave you out. Most of the time there's two lines and they run one line out at a time. If the guy you want to run with is 3 or 4 cars ahead -- and the cars between you are slow... you get held up and can't then catch up. We're not allowed all that much passing zones and a guy can get ahead of you pretty quickly with traffic in the way.

Gae wanted to line up on our second track session --- but I wasn't there to "race" with him. We were setting up a brand new car - with new tires - new brakes - new motor. Ron's advice was to take it easy - learn the new track and break the car in and get the tires cycled etc... so I passed on G's "lead follow" offer. The third session out he pulled off track from the issue he was having.

After the third session --- is when we discovered the seal pushing out so the Mustang was done for the weekend. I couldn't see Ron driving all the way back to Sacramento -- then us thrashing around trying to fix the car... when I have a perfectly good back up car. We'll fix the Mustang correctly -- on our own time without the track thrash. That's not my idea of a good weekend!

So to answer your question -- you'll just have to wait until we get back on track the next time. BTW --- I personally don't give a sh!t who's faster... Charley and Chet and Pete and Mike have all BEEN faster than I am... If I ever caught up to them - my choice would be to run WITH THEM not pass them to prove anything. I personally don't like being out front -- or in front -- or all alone on the track. I like it when I can find some cars that are capable -- and then just run with them. See if I can catch them in which section of track.... I'll even back out of throttle to let someone open a gap -- just so I can see if I can catch them. I told Ron I'd have been a terrible "racer". I just don't want to lead. Well.... that's not all true.... I'd follow and strategize and get a feel for what we could do - and then use that on the last lap to spring to the lead just before the checkered.

[DBasher]

You're crackin me up Weld! This is how I remember the last session on Sunday.

You sitting in the car getting ready, me and your new neighbor looking things over, just hangin out. You said something to him and pulled away, I asked what you had said and he told me you were just going to "Cadillac" around for the last session. We looked at each other and just started laughing, ya right!

Few minutes later you're back in the pits and we're bringing the air pressure down "just in case"....20 minutes later you've just had the best volley between the Porsche and Panoz! Poor Panoz driver was flat wore out! That was some exciting, non-racing, just "cadillacan" action!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm thinking you and Gaetano will have your little friendship cruise at some point.....and he'll have some excuse why you ran away from him! :lmao:

[GregWeld]

You're crackin me up Weld! This is how I remember the last session on Sunday.

You sitting in the car getting ready, me and your new neighbor looking things over, just hangin out. You said something to him and pulled away, I asked what you had said and he told me you were just going to "Cadillac" around for the last session. We looked at each other and just started laughing, ya right!

Few minutes later you're back in the pits and we're bringing the air pressure down "just in case"....20 minutes later you've just had the best volley between the Porsche and Panoz! Poor Panoz driver was flat wore out! That was some exciting, non-racing, just "cadillacan" action!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm thinking you and Gaetano will have your little friendship cruise at some point.....and he'll have some excuse why you ran away from him! :lmao:





Here's my excuse - preprinted. My Sh!t is slow and I'm not that good of a driver.

[Ron in SoCal]

These last couple pages are a GAS! :lol:

Congrats to you Greg and Ron for a great outcome. :cheers:

Oh, and using the term "sashaying" is against the LatG rulebook, unless of course your user/real name is Sieg :D

[GregWeld]

These last couple pages are a GAS! :lol:

Congrats to you Greg and Ron for a great outcome. :cheers:

Oh, and using the term "sashaying" is against the LatG rulebook, unless of course your user/real name is Sieg :D





I'd never heard the word until I'd taken Sieg with me to the track. Now it's a vision I just can't get out of my head. LOL

[Panteracer]

Great to see you Greg and Debasher
We watched Greg running on the backside
After the straight where things are off camber and
dicey. Lotus was smooth running with the Panoz

I ran the Pantera the next day starting with mist on
the windshield. Not the best way to learn a new track
Only pushed the front end once about 4-5 feet in turn
7 and found out you cannot go hammer down in the wet

Mist went away and things were better. Two sessions were partly
wet and finally dry on our third run

Track on the backside is awesome. Not a lot of places to pass but
found a place going up the hill after the first hairpin that I could sneak by.
I run with checkered flag and we can pass anywhere. No spins that I heard of
just fun running. Viper boy and I just worked our way thu the pack
Last one was an Audi V-10 that took me two laps to catch and pass those buggers are faster than the ZR-1's. All in fun

Will definitely do it again. Hope to see some of you all in Vegas


Panteracer

[Vegas69]

Gaetano was pretty stoked about passing the 4 guys who brought out their Vettes on the track for the first time for a little Sunday drive.

:rofl: :rofl:

[Panteracer]

I actually know one of the NorCal ZR-1 guys
Hang out with him at the Sharks games
He runs a Z06,ZR-1,continuation 427 cobra
and a family friends 54 vette at the historics
cause the owner is getting too old

Weld and I are heading in that old direction soon
So we might have too get some youngons like
Debasher too run our cars:)

Panteracer

[Sieg]

Oh, and using the term "sashaying" is against the LatG rulebook, unless of course your user/real name is Sieg :D

I'd never heard the word until I'd taken Sieg with me to the track. Now it's a vision I just can't get out of my head. LOL

HEY!

:twak: :bitchslap:

:innocent:

[DBasher]

Isn't it the older you get the faster you go? Or is it, the older you get the faster you were?

Either way...I can't drive. I figure I'll learn as soon as I figure out how to wrench.

Nice meeting you this weekend Pantsracer!

:cheers:

[Track Junky]

Gaetano was pretty stoked about passing the 4 guys who brought out their Vettes on the track for the first time for a little Sunday drive.

Hey Dave, don't be bitter. Your car will be done some day, or month, or year, or decade. :action-smiley-027:

First time for a sunday drive in green group.......maybe.....but I still got the point by. :relax:

[Track Junky]

In the drivers meetings they always talk about getting the checkered flag -- and what that means -- they point out that the checkered flag means you get to go back to the pits and take 10 seconds off your lap times and lie about how many people you passed. I never realized that Gaetano had run with this group so many times that they adapted their speech around him.

Well I stated in the text train that my car was done. Yes, it sticks like glue front and rear and I can put it anywhere on the track at anytime. That's a fact. But I regress, guess my car really isn't done........looks like I'll just have to find some sort of high end no hassle video cam to put in it now. thanks for fueling the fire.
See you at Sonoma buddy. :unibrow:

[Track Junky]

:rofl: :rofl:

Coming from the realtor that had to sell his car to buy property. :ohsnap:

[Vegas69]

Coming from the realtor that had to sell his car to buy property. :ohsnap:

You still bitter about getting smoked by a fat pig on single adjustable varishocks at Buttonwillow? :action-smiley-027:

[GregWeld]

Well I stated in the text train that my car was done. Yes, it sticks like glue front and rear and I can put it anywhere on the track at anytime. That's a fact. But I regress, guess my car really isn't done........looks like I'll just have to find some sort of high end no hassle video cam to put in it now. thanks for fueling the fire.
See you at Sonoma buddy. :unibrow:




You'd better start out with putting in a back up camera.....




Guys -- below is MY electrical box after Gaetano attempted to back in next to me.... It used to be upright... LOL






http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/65%20Mustang%20Track%20car/IMG_6596.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/65%20Mustang%20Track%20car/IMG_6596.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Coming from the realtor that had to sell his car to buy property. :ohsnap:






I think a better choice of words would be CHOSE TO vs HAD TO..... and my guess is that move doubled or maybe tripled his money... which seems to me to have been a pretty f'n SMART choice.

[Track Junky]

Whatever Weld. Build your regime and keep blasting. I'm done talking. I'll leave the rest to the video cam.

[DBasher]

I'm done talking. I'll leave the rest to the video cam.

Ruh oh! I doubt it but, ruh oh!

Gaetano, I've never seen your Camaro but it sounds like its quite the bullet and even in the last year you've made huge improvements. I'm looking forward to you and the "sandbagger" going some rounds. Weld regime? Or Lat-G fun?

:cheers:
Debasher

[GregWeld]

It's so much fun harassing each other.... If we didn't - what fun would it be?



The thing about TRACK DAYS --- all the cars and drivers are different. The horsepower and weights - tires - tire sizes - skill levels... If a guy is SMART he'll follow a guy that has some skills even if he could pass them. I've followed many a Miata around the track... a few of these guys are fast, but of course, way underpowered. For that reason they carry a ton of speed thru the corners. And then there are the guys that come out in Porsches and they're not fast at all and are erratic and all over the place. Passing them is not anything other than self preservation... you just want away from them. I've learned the hard way to NOT chase people that are substantially faster than I am! Let 'em go! They tell you to "drive within your limits"! It's words to the wise.

[Sieg]

.........or just tailgate them until they off themselves. Then do the laugh and point bye. :D

[Vegas69]

At least he'll be able to back it up now that he's done talking.

[GregWeld]

Whatever Weld. Build your regime and keep blasting. I'm done talking. I'll leave the rest to the video cam.




You do realize that can come back to haunt you right? LOL

[Track Junky]

That stupid pedestal was at least 30' back and it was dark. Those things should have bollards around them.

[GregWeld]

That stupid pedestal was at least 30' back and it was dark. Those things should have bollards around them.




Well my new Jeep was only 10' more beyond the electrical box - it was dark - should I have bollards around it too?? LOL

[Sieg]

You do realize that can come back to haunt you right? LOL
:sieg: Weld and video mix similar to oil and water.

:underchair:

[Track Junky]

Well my new Jeep was only 10' more beyond the electrical box - it was dark - should I have bollards around it too?? LOL

Smart Ass. You better find out if they make bollards for people. :lol:

[Track Junky]

:sieg: Weld and video mix similar to oil and water.

:underchair:

I can relate to that as far as my GoPro goes.

Just found out Traqmate now has a camera you can pick up with there kit. Turn the traqmate on and it will turn the camera on. I'll be picking one of those up.

[Sieg]

Turn the traqmate on and it will turn the camera on. I'll be picking one of those up.
Hey! That's exactly how GW's SmartyCam works......or doesn't. :D

The GoPro is a complex little camera that takes a reasonable amount of hands on experience as the primary learning curve, once you spend some time with them they work quite well especially for the price IMO.

[intocarss]

All this talent between you ALL and you guys can't turn a Gopro on.. EPIC!!! :clap:

[clill]

What talent ? You don't actually believe these guys are fast do you ? This is the INTERNET....Wake up !!!!

[GregWeld]

What talent ? You don't actually believe these guys are fast do you ? This is the INTERNET....Wake up !!!!




^^^^^^^^ What he said!!!!




Like I said the OTEC guys tell us in the drivers meeting --- the checkered flag allows you to tell bodacious lies - take 10 seconds off your lap times - and talk about all the people you passed.

[Vegas69]

What talent ? You don't actually believe these guys are fast do you ? This is the INTERNET....Wake up !!!!

Truth...:thankyou:

[Panteracer]

I was going to buy a go pro last week
but decided not enough time to figure it out
Sounds like I made the right call
Viper boy got an iPhone app that was $8
Put a suction cup on the window and off you go
I think the down side is space on the phone

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

I was going to buy a go pro last week
but decided not enough time to figure it out
Sounds like I made the right call
Viper boy got an iPhone app that was $8
Put a suction cup on the window and off you go
I think the down side is space on the phone

Panteracer




Bob -- My problem is that I'm A.D.D. (really) and just getting suited up and in the car takes all my concentration... trying to figure out all these camera things just isn't on my radar. I only use the GoPro during track events -- which are very far and few between... and by that time I've forgotten all the little nuances. Therefore I bought and installed the AiM SmartyCam in the Lotus.... it's supposed to have autostart - programable via the throttle position - or g's - or a couple other ways. The thing is -- the idiot behind the wheel still has to remember to reset the programing after messing with it at the shop etc. The failure is all mine.

[Track Junky]

Hey! That's exactly how GW's SmartyCam works......or doesn't. :D

The GoPro is a complex little camera that takes a reasonable amount of hands on experience as the primary learning curve, once you spend some time with them they work quite well especially for the price IMO.

GoPro isn't complex just a pain in the ass to turn on and off where it is attached to my roll cage. Uploading takes way to much time also but will be a lot funner with the Traqmate.

[SSLance]

Next GoPro competitor...

https://static.garmincdn.com/en/products/010-01088-10/g/cf-lg.jpg

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/prod119594.html

Starting to see a few of these used around here and so far, the guys seem to like them. Here's an example of the video and data from one.

GhTdxbiLlQk

[Sieg]

For an initial launch that's relatively impressive.

Unit size and aero looks good.
Adequate image capture options.
Good selection of mounting accessories.
Wind deflector and external mic compatible.
Preview screen very handy for aiming.
Optional remote, smartphone and Garmin control options.
GPS/Accelerometer/Altimeter/Wi-Fi.
Optional heart rate and temp sensors.

And it's in the proper price range. Ain't competition great for the end user!

[Panteracer]

I still have a Gamin GPS that is mounted to my dash
of the Pantera.. used it for the Silver State and actually
ran it on two of my Dual Sport motorcycles..It is way old like me
Put new batteries in it before we went to Thunderhill
so I could see what the fastest speed I did (it has a memory)
When my buddies asked me I told them I never turned it on
Sounds like some orange car guy:)

Panteracer

[SSLance]

Looks like I get to borrow a Garmin VIRB Elite for tomorrows autox. :)

I'm more interested in the data that comes with the video.

We'll see how well it works compared side by side with the GoPro Hero 3.

[Sieg]

Looks like I get to borrow a Garmin VIRB Elite for tomorrows autox. :)

I'm more interested in the data that comes with the video.

We'll see how well it works compared side by side with the GoPro Hero 3.

Cool - Start a thread and post your findings and opinion.

[Flash68]

Hey Dave, don't be bitter. Your car will be done some day, or month, or year, or decade. :action-smiley-027:



Q1 2015.... mark it down. And good thing that garage is almost done... you'll need it for some major upgrades. Your leaf spring days may be coming to an end my friend.... :D

You're crackin me up Weld! This is how I remember the last session on Sunday.

You sitting in the car getting ready, me and your new neighbor looking things over, just hangin out. You said something to him and pulled away, I asked what you had said and he told me you were just going to "Cadillac" around for the last session. We looked at each other and just started laughing, ya right!

Few minutes later you're back in the pits and we're bringing the air pressure down "just in case"....20 minutes later you've just had the best volley between the Porsche and Panoz! Poor Panoz driver was flat wore out! That was some exciting, non-racing, just "cadillacan" action!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'm thinking you and Gaetano will have your little friendship cruise at some point.....and he'll have some excuse why you ran away from him! :lmao:

Shall I change your signature to read "President of the Real Greg Weld Fan Club" now or do you want to wait a few days to make sure? :RunninDog:

[GregWeld]

Q1 2015.... mark it down. And good thing that garage is almost done... you'll need it for some major upgrades. Your leaf spring days may be coming to an end my friend.... :D



Shall I change your signature to read "President of the Real Greg Weld Fan Club" now or do you want to wait a few days to make sure? :RunninDog:




He went home with boxes full of parts -- we're friends at least until the end of next week.

[DBasher]

That's funny Flash, well it would be funny but you've already used that line on Chetly....get some new material, mmmk?

Or, finish your car and get to the track....who knows, you may get some fans of your own. lol

Xoxo
Dan

Greg, all those parts are going to cost me a bunch of money, I'm going to need a refund.

[Sieg]

He went home with boxes full of parts -- we're friends at least until the end of next week.

........or until he finds out one is defective. :D

[Flash68]

That's funny Flash, well it would be funny but you've already used that line on Chetly....get some new material, mmmk?

Or, finish your car and get to the track....who knows, you may get some fans of your own. lol

Xoxo
Dan

You follow me on Lat-G (better than following me on Facebook I guess).... Awww shucks, thanks... looks like I have a fan already...

But hey... whether your name is Chetly or Basher.... If the shoe fits.... mmm wear it? :action-smiley-027:

In all seriousness, Greg is a generous guy and you're one of countless lost souls who have been the recipient of his giving. I am on that team. I just don't kiss his azz that bad.

:computer:

:cheers:

[Flash68]

Next GoPro competitor...

https://static.garmincdn.com/en/products/010-01088-10/g/cf-lg.jpg

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/prod119594.html

Starting to see a few of these used around here and so far, the guys seem to like them. Here's an example of the video and data from one.

GhTdxbiLlQk

Cool - Start a thread and post your findings and opinion.

Yes please do share Lance.

[chetly]

How te hell did I get dragged into this ****, I'm not President of Greg Weld fan club... Greg Weld is the president of the Greg Weld fan club...

[Flash68]

How te hell did I get dragged into this ****, I'm not President of Greg Weld fan club... Greg Weld is the president of the Greg Weld fan club...

Now there's a man who knows what he is talking about! :lol:

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Truth... With the ego, he's 6'4". It's no wonder he and Gaetano haven't swapped spots on the track yet. hahahahahaha

[Panteracer]

Would also like feedback on the garmin
Almost bought a gopro hero 3 motorsports
last week. Wish I had something as my head
keeps replaying thunderhill

Panteracer

[DBasher]

I would say reduced oil pressure could effect how cool the valves stay.

I was rereading through the thread trying to ID some parts Greg pawned off on me....Todd, I think you nailed it, or at least part of it. When I took the parts up to the machine shop to have Rick look them over, the valves are what caught his attention. He noticed the amount of heat or heat cycles and asked if it had an oiling issue. Surface of the valves looks fine, the heat marks are on the stem just down from the valve.
Everything else looks good, well besides the broken rocker. Turns out the pistons are huge and won't fit in a stock block.....I'm working on an aluminum and titanium wind chime with the spares.

:cheers:
Dan

[GregWeld]

I agree --- low oil pressure and high operating RPM's.... not a good mix. The new motor has far better oil pressure - SOUNDS better - runs stronger (despite the slightly lower peak HP numbers - that's a different dyno issue). While on the surface of things you wouldn't think the valves would be directly affected by the lower oil PRESSURE (provided there is VOLUME)... the oiling thru the rockers and flowing down the valve stem would be cooling them as well as keeping them oiled.

The only thing that was reused was the crank and the block and the head casting. EVERYTHING else is brand new. Those titanium valves are over the top expensive BTW! And there's a lot of them! LOL

After having the motor back to the SAME builder and having the SAME exact issue time after time (Valve train failures) -- it went to someone with a fresh set of eyeballs (Borello Racing Engines). I now have more invested in rebuilds than I paid for the little Yellow Lemon to begin with.

The part that always bugged me the most - is that my buddies all are running event after event and NEVER having any motor issues... and here I am with the highest dollar motor and I can't make a weekend without a rebuild! That's BS in my book! Hopefully that's all behind us now. The little Lemon FLIES now!

[GregWeld]

I was rereading through the thread trying to ID some parts Greg pawned off on me....Todd, I think you nailed it, or at least part of it. When I took the parts up to the machine shop to have Rick look them over, the valves are what caught his attention. He noticed the amount of heat or heat cycles and asked if it had an oiling issue. Surface of the valves looks fine, the heat marks are on the stem just down from the valve.
Everything else looks good, well besides the broken rocker. Turns out the pistons are huge and won't fit in a stock block.....I'm working on an aluminum and titanium wind chime with the spares.

:cheers:
Dan




What did you want for FREE -- your money back?? LOL

[OLDFLM]

What did you want for FREE -- your money back?? LOL

Now where have I heard that before? LOL Wiser words have never been said...

[GregWeld]

Now where have I heard that before? LOL Wiser words have never been said...



Oh yeah.... WE have had this conversation haven't we.... LOL


When I give parts away - it always comes with a caveat. Use what you want or can, and if you can't - I don't give a sh!t - sell 'em or toss 'em.


Having said all of that -- there are two things I never want to read about on Lat G again.

1) Any kind of CHARITY build

2) Any "free" work of any kind

Neither of the above EVER turn out well for anyone.

[Vegas69]

I was rereading through the thread trying to ID some parts Greg pawned off on me....Todd, I think you nailed it, or at least part of it. When I took the parts up to the machine shop to have Rick look them over, the valves are what caught his attention. He noticed the amount of heat or heat cycles and asked if it had an oiling issue. Surface of the valves looks fine, the heat marks are on the stem just down from the valve.
Everything else looks good, well besides the broken rocker. Turns out the pistons are huge and won't fit in a stock block.....I'm working on an aluminum and titanium wind chime with the spares.

:cheers:
Dan

One of the best engine builders in the country taught me that little nugget. Jason Pettis

[GregWeld]

One of the best engine builders in the country taught me that little nugget. Jason Pettis




And we're sure that will come in handy while you're tooling along in your Audi....



Oh I'm rotten to the core!! LOL

[Vegas69]

BMW :warning: :lol:

[GregWeld]

BMW :warning: :lol:




Look at my son's website -- www.Enlaes.com you must need to buy some killer carbon fiber for it!! LOL

[DBasher]

When I give parts away - it always comes with a caveat. Use what you want or can, and if you can't - I don't give a sh!t - sell 'em or toss 'em.

Wait a minute, I thought I was doing you a favor hauling off a bunch of old greasy parts! Something about a packed shop and living in a condo...besides I gave you some lunch money for the old wheels. :lol:

I'm learning about all this stuff and after talking with Rick and rereading through the thread, I thought I'd share.

Funny, it all started with a well built vintage track car.....:lmao:

[SSLance]

Cool - Start a thread and post your findings and opinion.


Done...

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=47948

[GregWeld]

Wait a minute, I thought I was doing you a favor hauling off a bunch of old greasy parts! Something about a packed shop and living in a condo...besides I gave you some lunch money for the old wheels. :lol:

I'm learning about all this stuff and after talking with Rick and rereading through the thread, I thought I'd share.

Funny, it all started with a well built vintage track car.....:lmao:




I spent the lunch money on one tank of fuel for the rig.... thanks! The tires and wheels I KNEW were good usuable parts... Charely and Chet would have bought them for twice what you paid. LOL I'd have never seen the actual cash though... so better a bird in the hand.

The other parts were just throw aways for me so thanks for saving me a trip to my 3 cubic yard dumpster.

Rick no doubt saw the titanium valves - did a quick calc of 16 X's $150 each - and out of his mouth came the words "these are junk I'll just throw them away for you". Ditto the shaft roller rockers... and the Oliver rods. hahahahahahahaha

None of which is useful unless it fits a motor you're building. I'd have used all that stuff for decorating my next table or stand... Although it would be cool to have an Oliver rod for a TIG torch holder!

In all serioiusness -- the valves are most likely junk... particularly if you wanted to build a max effort motor. I wasn't willing to reuse any of it given the problems I've had... and for me it's cheaper to just buy new than to further risk another rebuild at 15K a pop. This way the new motor builder (Borello) has his hands in every facet of the build.

I really just hope you can use the Wilwood brakes without too much hassle or cost. You're the only other guy on the planet that's building something that isn't a 69 Camaro.

[DBasher]

All the motor parts will get put to use, either in the 331 or as yard art...I'm all about recycling! I asked you about the heads because the Jesel rockers are offset and only fit certain heads, still looking into that.

I'm pretty stoked on the brakes, the car already had disc on the front from SSBC, Granada style I think. The BAER set up, front and rear not only look cool but will no doubt work mo better. Still trying to figure out some of the other "stuff"....

:thumbsup:
Dan

[Flash68]

Funny, it all started with a well built vintage track car.....:lmao:

Come on Bash... let's see this car..... need to even out the imbalance of Camaros around here. :rules:

[DBasher]

Come on Bash... let's see this car..... need to even out the imbalance of Camaros around here. :rules:

I said I'd never do a build thread, well I lied. I'll figure out the picture posting deal and start something once the wife decides she's done driving it for the year. I'm mechanical but really have no idea what I'm doing. :rolleyes:
Besides the crap from Weld, I've collected or already installed quite a bit for this winters make over. I'll tell ya now, the goal isn't to build anything fancy. Just a bunch of solid parts that work well....I hope.

[GregWeld]

And since this is a RACE CAR thread and not the "parts bin".... A couple of the said Yellow Lemon... and I think even Charley would have to admit the new look is okay! LOL


And yes ---- thanks to Jack Maurer being the super anal guy that he is -- the body is pretty damn nice for a "track car". This isn't a Pro Touring car -- it's nothing but a track car. God bless Jack for building it and Charley for giving it away!






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[DBasher]

Nice floor.

[GregWeld]

Nice floor.




If I was in to diamonds - I'd have THEM polished.

[GregWeld]

I was texting with Ron Sutton about some stuff ---- and I told him --- "I sure wish people could have lined up and driven the car before and after".

You just can't even imagine the improvements he's made to the car. The math doesn't work out - but I think I have TWICE as much brake -- and the difference is that I can go charging up to a corner and then apply the brakes SOFTLY and the car just responds by decreasing speed instantly... and the "dive" (might be the wrong word choice) just plants the front tires for initial turn in... I roll thru the turn and there's no lean... but it's not hard or jouncing around... There are videos on this forum that show cars that are so F'n stiff and they just loose grip instantly and are "twitchy". Trust me -- I don't want to drive ANY cars like that at speed! With Ron's secret sauce springs and shock combo - the car doesn't roll over - but it's compliant at the same time... Roll back into the gas and the car just digs and moves forward -- no drama... no squatting... no torque steer input. Just shoots forward. It's like the Lotus on steroids. The Lotus lacks torque. It CARRIES speed if you let it... and the braking is the best in any car I've ever driven -- until I got the new improved Ron Sauce Mustang.

[glassman]

Damn mighty fine fastback you got there Weld!!! It just keeps lookin better and better, lets just hope it holds up better and better....see you out there in March/May. Well i'll see you at SEMA too, but i'll just wave...

[Flash68]

I was sexting with Ron Sutton

:confused59: :sieg:

[GregWeld]

:confused59: :sieg:




That's even more wrong than what Sieg said because Sieg is just such a confused man... He struggles... but not as much as you do with diaper pins! LOL

[Flash68]

That's even more wrong than what Sieg said because Sieg is just such a confused man... He struggles... but not as much as you do with diaper pins! LOL

:lmao:

[silvermonte]

The mustang looks BA, did anyone buff the paint? The paint looks pretty nice for a race car that just came from a track day.

[Vegas69]

Look at my son's website -- www.Enlaes.com you must need to buy some killer carbon fiber for it!! LOL

It's like buying carbon fiber for a tank. Cool site and some killer stuff!

[Sieg]

That's even more wrong than what Sieg said because Sieg is just such a confused man... He struggles... but not as much as you do with diaper pins! LOL
Dude..........you're dating yourself now, diapers have had 'velcro' tabs for how long now? Which is a good thing cuz Davey would bleed out before he got the 'safety' pins in. :lol:

[Flash68]

Dude..........you're dating yourself now

No, Sieg... you're dating Weld. He's been courting you on these weekend getaways now for awhile.... just say yes already, will ya?!

[Sieg]

No, Sieg... you're dating Weld. He's been courting you on these weekend getaways now for awhile.... just say yes already, will ya?!
Well it's a........Nope......I ain't gonna say it. :angel:

[SSLance]

I was texting with Ron Sutton about some stuff ---- and I told him --- "I sure wish people could have lined up and driven the car before and after".

You just can't even imagine the improvements he's made to the car. The math doesn't work out - but I think I have TWICE as much brake -- and the difference is that I can go charging up to a corner and then apply the brakes SOFTLY and the car just responds by decreasing speed instantly... and the "dive" (might be the wrong word choice) just plants the front tires for initial turn in... I roll thru the turn and there's no lean... but it's not hard or jouncing around... There are videos on this forum that show cars that are so F'n stiff and they just loose grip instantly and are "twitchy". Trust me -- I don't want to drive ANY cars like that at speed! With Ron's secret sauce springs and shock combo - the car doesn't roll over - but it's compliant at the same time... Roll back into the gas and the car just digs and moves forward -- no drama... no squatting... no torque steer input. Just shoots forward. It's like the Lotus on steroids. The Lotus lacks torque. It CARRIES speed if you let it... and the braking is the best in any car I've ever driven -- until I got the new improved Ron Sauce Mustang.


At our last autox event last Sunday, a long time autocrosser comes up and we start talking about my car. "Man that thing really looks good out there on the course, what springs are you running?" So I tell him and he looks at me with disbelieve and says "Just imagine how it would run like if you put stiffer front and rear springs in it, man it would really fly"...

The conversation ended pretty quickly after that. :D

Even after seeing in person how a Ron Sauce setup can make a big car handle an autox, they still can't admit that setup works better than the old go-cart stiff no travel setups that they've used forever.

There are others out there though, that have ridden in the car pre and post Ron Sauce and they listen intently when I'm answering their questions about the car...and I can see the wheels turning in their head as I'm talking. :rules:

[GregWeld]

The mustang looks BA, did anyone buff the paint? The paint looks pretty nice for a race car that just came from a track day.



We haven't met have we..... LOL


In my view of the world there are two kinds of car guys. Greasers and waxers. I'm a greaser. Bugs are a badge of honor. The most "waxing" I do on any of my cars is quick detailer spray... and that's only because I can't stand dirt. Has NOTHING to do with shine. Actually - after the crew at Brizio watched me clean up the '33 -- they asked me not to even do that.

The Little Yellow Lemon has a very nice show quality paint job on it. All I have to do is dust it once in awhile.

[GregWeld]

I think the first thing to do is to acknowledge that we as "hot rodders" and part time "wannabe racers" - is that we know NOTHING about suspension or brakes.

Installing some parts on a car doesn't make us "knowledgeable". Buying parts off a shelf or from a catalog doesn't make us "knowledgeable". Copying what someone else did, or has done, doesn't make us "knowledgeable". RON SUTTON?? He has real actual knowledge! When we get all done... I'd like to be able to comprehend 10% of what he knows. The beauty of working with him is that he not only can find and fix what's wrong - or make what's right - better... he is willing to discuss what he's doing, and why, so that you'll learn from it.

I will tell you what "I" have learned so far. That all of these parts we buy -- they all have interactions with all the other parts and the car as a whole! And it's more about having a plan - and doing some mental work - and having a real understanding of all the inter-related actions that makes the most difference. Just buying the most expensive triple adjustable shocks might make you feel better mentally - but if it's the wrong one or set up wrong... you just wasted your money. Kind of like investing but picking the wrong companies... That's not investing - that's just throwing money around so you can say you're "invested". If the investments don't work for you what's the point?!?! LOL

I'm smart enough (barely) to realize that Ron's depth of knowledge in this field is akin to my knowledge in the investing world. The small amount that I share in the Investing 102 thread only scratches the surface. Ron shares a percentage of his knowledge via posts... but there's no way you're going to be able to read that and go straight to the winners circle. What that insight should do for people is to show them how little they know and how much there is to be gained by engaging a pro like Ron. He's the best part I've ever bought.

To me - it's like discussing a motor build with a guy that just saw the biggest lift and most duration on a cam and THAT'S the one for him!! What an idiot. He doesn't realize that he just bled off all the compression in his 9:1 motor.... not to mention the spring bind and on and on.

Funny how many guys will spend 35 grand on a huge HP motor and then just buy a bunch of parts for their suspension... toss 'em on and think that's the hot ticket. It's kinda like putting expensive paint on an unblocked body - you just wind up with a crappy paint job.






At our last autox event last Sunday, a long time autocrosser comes up and we start talking about my car. "Man that thing really looks good out there on the course, what springs are you running?" So I tell him and he looks at me with disbelieve and says "Just imagine how it would run like if you put stiffer front and rear springs in it, man it would really fly"...

The conversation ended pretty quickly after that. :D

Even after seeing in person how a Ron Sauce setup can make a big car handle an autox, they still can't admit that setup works better than the old go-cart stiff no travel setups that they've used forever.

There are others out there though, that have ridden in the car pre and post Ron Sauce and they listen intently when I'm answering their questions about the car...and I can see the wheels turning in their head as I'm talking. :rules:

[Panteracer]

Greg,
I understand what a person can learn from Ron but I really think the
hard part is being a good enough driver to really understand that
it is working. I drove my firebird for almost three years straight with
ok suspension, bad ball joints etc.. I adjusted to what the car could do
Later we fixed some things, change some spring rates and it was much
better...trust me I won a lot of events with the car autocrossing but
really did not change much at first. Now I have coil overs (in front) double
adjustable shocks, new springs and it is better yet. I am making some more changes and need time
in the car but not sure I am smart enough to say it is finally handling
the best.. I guess if you start out right with someone like Ron's setup
and then start to tweak it...

My Can Am buddy hired an expert for a few races... we changed
some settings one way then went the other way and searched for
what is the best.. car time for that car is very limited... I used to
run against guys that ran 46 weekends a year.. now that is seat
time.. I always told my buddies when you and the car become one
then you know you are fast...having two completely different
cars does not help...

I guess changing things is what we need to do even if we think
it is good because it can always be better

Years ago in ESP "my old scca class" a guy from Socal came up for a
National event.. I was just starting and had not qualified for the event.
His car had 33 spring changes that year.. it was a pro solo
so they qualify and he was #1... end of the day before the
main event the next day he is under the car changing the rear sway bar
Car was the fastest but not good enough for him... driver knew...
most of us would have said we are good to go

I am hoping to learn how to tune my suspension and from what
I am thinking changing it back and forth is the only way to find out??

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

I travel TWO days to an event - TWO days back home.... I have two days of driving and I might get 4 or 5 20 minutes sessions in on a Saturday... 3 maybe 4 on a Sunday. An event WEEKEND is a WEEK for me.... By the time I load all the stuff up - shop for groceries - water up and fuel up and get everything squared away and unpacked on the return --- it's pushing 8 days.... The reward is a few minutes behind the wheel.

Sorry -- THE LAST THING I want to do is be under the f'n car in between sessions. Now -- I maybe run 3 or maybe 4 events per year. Life is short - I don't have the time in the seat to be able to figure out all the nuances of what the car is doing --- and then want to go back to the pits to wrench of stuff. I could spend years doing this and gain 10% of Ron's knowledge and a considerable amount of FRUSTRATION in between.

THAT IS WHY I HIRED RON SUTTON.... so that we can get the car(s) dialed in quickly and efficiently and then just be able to consistently have a good solid session time after time. I know exactly what the car is going to drive like - I know exactly what the tire pressures should be set to. And I go out and have a blast.

We're not RACING... these are track days. They're FUN days... Nobody is keeping score except Gaetano.

My goal for the cars and thus the addition of Ron Sutton is to make the cars more predictable and fun. With that Ron Sauce - they've become faster... but that's not my goal that's just a side benefit.

I didn't even know the Mustang handled poorly and would have kept driving it just the way it was... like you say - I'd adjust to the car. It just wasn't that much fun. Now it is. Now I can't wait to get behind the wheel. That was my only goal. So far it's been met and exceeded.

[DBasher]

I am hoping to learn how to tune my suspension and from what
I am thinking changing it back and forth is the only way to find out??

Panteracer

That's one way to do it Bob, and the way most will do it. I think the more Ron is involved on the hobby side of things and the more people he helps, it may become clear that hiring a professional is another tool in the toolbox.

Talk to the guys that have run some Optima events and had one of the more experienced drivers ride with them, I guarantee they learned something about getting the car to work better. It's no different.

Did Greg need to hire Ron? Uh ya, Charlie sold him a beater that needed to be gone through. Now he has a car that all he needs to do is fuel it, check the air pressure than go out and run it for 15-20 minutes and replace the motor!:lmao:

DBASHER

[GregWeld]

That's one way to do it Bob, and the way most will do it. I think the more Ron is involved on the hobby side of things and the more people he helps, it may become clear that hiring a professional is another tool in the toolbox.

Talk to the guys that have run some Optima events and had one of the more experienced drivers ride with them, I guarantee they learned something about getting the car to work better. It's no different.

Did Greg need to hire Ron? Uh ya, Charlie sold him a beater that needed to be gone through. Now he has a car that all he needs to do is fuel it, check the air pressure than go out and run it for 15-20 minutes and replace the motor!:lmao:

DBASHER






Hey!! In order to stay ahead of Gaetano --- I need to build MAX EFFORT motors.... sometimes they're a little "edgy".

[Panteracer]

So I understand we are just tracking
I want to be fast and have a good reliable car
Pantera got its regular dot road race tires back on
Not that crappy 200 wear stuff. Tires are the right height
now because i had a taller tire in front and shorter tire out
back with the 200 stuff. Car sits better and works better

Other than tires and changing,fluids,pads and blown shocks...
Yes they leak a lot but work I have not changed anything
In 10 years.

At thunderhill in A group (just below full race cars) I never got
passed including viper boy wanting me by after we went thru the group
So the car is fast but should I tweak it???

So I run uncorked at laguna before that and now in full race class
Scca guys, merc9 etc and never passed anyone. I think I did better there
in speed than thunderhill. Go figure

My bird has had so much changed in the last year I am
Not sure where it is. Maybe more seat time

I only run the Pantera 2-4 times a year

Panteracer

[Sieg]

Greg,
I am hoping to learn how to tune my suspension and from what
I am thinking changing it back and forth is the only way to find out??

Panteracer
Like building any detailed structure, you need to know you have a solid well engineered foundation.

The first element of that foundation with an existing car is blueprinting every aspect of it. The second part is doing ALL the math and thoroughly understanding what it's telling you. Good suspension software and a fluent operator is mandatory to run (test drive) numerous scenarios........IMO

Two wheeled suspension tuning is very simple compared 4 wheels.

[GregWeld]

If you want to know the honest to god truth -- I really don't want to know how to do any of it. I like to know WHAT is being done and WHY... and the reason for that is so that as a driver I can come back and say "it got edgy" or "it got tight" or "it now feels loose". Maybe I'll understand enough about the "dive" and "squat" etc that if we mess with stuff I'll be able to report that it "dove and stayed down"... Or that it was loose on exit rather than being loose on turn in.

I really only want to know that stuff so that I can tell Ron... and then he'll figure out what to change and we'll discuss what was done and why and what I should look for and think about on the next session.

He's a magician at getting me to give him feedback he can use. If he wasn't in my corner -- I'd just go out and drive my ass off and continue to describe the car as "the pissed off bull".

I've learned a TON --- but that doesn't mean I have to know everything about suspension that took a guy 30 years to learn. And I don't want to. I've been working on these POS cars for 2/3rds of my life. I kind of like living large and having someone that REALLY KNOWS what's going on that will fix whatever "it" is quickly. If we can't fix it quickly - it goes in mothballs and the other car gets driven. I'm not getting all worked up over missing a 20 minute session.

Much of what I learned in my professional life is to delegate to people that are better at something than I am. I don't need to be a lawyer to understand what the lawyer is telling me.... And I'm smart enough to understand that because I understood what the lawyer was talking about doesn't make me a lawyer.

[Panteracer]

So I buy speed tech's front end ,their springs
Buy some mono leafs from pro touring with Vikings
Set the car low. Wheel offsets are set on my 25 year old
Simons racing wheels. So I can tweak alignment, heights
and shocks. Didn't they do most of the math or do I get
Calculus books out. Slopes and angles are easy for a contractor
Bending the a-arms or anchor points is something else

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

So I buy speed tech's front end ,their springs
Buy some mono leafs from pro touring with Vikings
Set the car low. Wheel offsets are set on my 25 year old
Simons racing wheels. So I can tweak alignment, heights
and shocks. Didn't they do most of the math or do I get
Calculus books out. Slopes and angles are easy for a contractor
Bending the a-arms or anchor points is something else

Panteracer




I'll tell ya the number 1 thing I've learned.... that there's so much more to it than just buying parts. For me it's like guys that just buy parts for their motors... and they can spout numbers and parts numbers and all manor of useless knowledge that's like reading an encyclopedia... and then you go out and spank em like a bad child with a motor that's smaller and makes less power. At that point - I don't really care how much they know or think they know.

I'll let 'em go back to the pits and tell someone else how bad ass their car is and how many kool parts they have. I'll sit on my ass and have another water and relax.

[DBasher]

It's the difference between watching porn and dating a porn star.....


Disclaimer:
I'm not calling Ron a porn star or saying Greg watches a lot of porn.....jury is still out on Sieg. :hello:

[Panteracer]

Just spent some time on Rons tuning thread
Pantera I think is good for now. Thread confirmed the
softer springs for the bird are what I need out front
They have been sitting on the counter for a few months
Will check some travel of the suspension and more
than likely raise the rear of the car along with a few
Other things someone told me already.

Heading in the right direction now Time to do it and
start testing. I think I know enough to be dangerous
Sounds like what my Architectural instructor told me
when I left school to be a Contractor

Panteracer

[Sieg]

So I buy speed tech's front end ,their springs
Buy some mono leafs from pro touring with Vikings
Set the car low. Wheel offsets are set on my 25 year old
Simons racing wheels. So I can tweak alignment, heights
and shocks. Didn't they do most of the math or do I get
Calculus books out. Slopes and angles are easy for a contractor
Bending the a-arms or anchor points is something else

Panteracer
Put the car on a surface plate and measure everything to the millimeter, then 4-corner scale it and enter the data into a well engineered suspension program and analyze the output......hopefully the results say it has potential.....or you can do it before you buy all the parts that may or may not meet your objectives. :secret:

[GregWeld]

I'll repeat what I've said here a million times already ---- Ron Sutton Race Technology is the BEST PART I'VE EVER BOUGHT.


There is no way the Mustang would have gotten to where it is right now without him. I've worked with a zillion "shops" over time. Not one of them had the knowledge or hook ups that Ron has.

Before Ron - I took the car to JFC (Just Fast Cars) race shop just to discuss doing alignment etc and to see if there was anything "else" I could do to the car. They offered no info - never asked me what I did or didn't like about the handling... in other words - it was just "another shop". So I never took it back.

There is a pretty good - IMHO - shop at Sonoma Raceway... McGee Motorsports - and they work on and maintain and race 'vintage iron' like we're running. They seem to know how to set a car up - and every bill I've had from them was half what I expected it to be. They treat the car with respect. And I like the guys and THEY are drivers themselves - with experience. So I was very comfortable discussing how I drive - what the car did etc.

Again -- that's a very good shop that works only on race cars...

But -- the LEVEL of the work that RSRT did on the old girl is a whole 'nother universe... and the shops HE has access to are in the OMG realm of race cars.

There are "shops" and there's "knowledge" and there's "decent handling"... but like EVERYTHING on this website - there's home built - shop built - kinda half and half - but we all know the difference when we see OMG builds! SEMA builds if you will. What I got from RSRT is a SEMA build for what we're trying to accomplish with the car. And here's the other thing I like about working with him on this project.

He knows full well I can afford whatever it is he would like to do with the car. But in all of our discussions - he'd explain to me - "well, if we were racing and needed to be in first place we'd probably do X and X and XYZ"...."but we're not racing and the cost to do all of that would only marginally improve what we're going to do". In other words -- there was a cost / benefit line of thinking applied to the project. You MUST respect a guy for that kind of effort on your behalf. It's called getting the most bang for the buck. Even I appreciate that. LOL

[SSLance]

That same exact theory was used on my build as well. Right from the beginning Ron asked what my budget was and laid out a plan to get the most we could get from what I had on hand and could afford to add as we went along. Once we were done gathering all of the information, he laid out a plan that fit my budget and said when you are ready, I'm ready. We then started on stage 1 of the setup and once done worked on tuning it. It was a huge improvement on my car that fixed the ills and made the car handle fantastic right out of the box. The total parts bill for stage 1 was just over $1,000 and I did all of the labor in my shop at home with a little bit of help from some friends.

Once I got a little taste of that though, I wanted more and Stage 2 was initiated. Once again, a plan was formulated, budgeted and once I was ready off we went. We are now still working on Stage 3.

My point is...you don't need a huge budget to put Ron's ability to work for you. He can help you make your car perform better at any stage you happen to be in.

[Ron in SoCal]

Sooo...I take it you guys actually LIKE Ron then? :D

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Sooo...I take it you guys actually LIKE Ron then? :D

:cheers:

I'm starting to get the idea that Greg likes the work Ron did. :lol:

He definitely filled a gaping hole in this hobby. I remember tuning on my car and throwing parts at it. I eventually achieved pretty good balance in the chassis and braking but not before multiple attempts. Ron's advice would've saved me a small fortune with better results.

I agree with you Greg, pay a professional to do his job. A real professional with a proven track record.

[GregWeld]

I'm starting to get the idea that Greg likes the work Ron did. :lol:

He definitely filled a gaping hole in this hobby. I remember tuning on my car and throwing parts at it. I eventually achieved pretty good balance in the chassis and braking but not before multiple attempts. Ron's advice would've saved me a small fortune with better results.

I agree with you Greg, pay a professional to do his job. A real professional with a proven track record.



That sums it up right there. WE are not pro racers. We're weekend warriors. Nothing wrong with that at all.. it's just the fact. What Sutton does is gets 30 years of experience jammed into a weekend -- or a few emails -- or perhaps a mechanical visit. AND BAM! You've got yourself a bonafide handler that will save you a year, or two, or longer even - of wasted events. The only thing you're going to regret is having waited so long to engage.

[Vegas69]

I just want to make it known that I outran Gaetano without a Nascar crew chief and rebuilding my car. :lol:

[GregWeld]

I just want to make it known that I outran Gaetano without a Nascar crew chief and rebuilding my car. :lol:



My NASCAR (It's capitalized) crew chief isn't there to outrun Gaetano... He's there so I can outrun Blue group guys!


Actually - I just don't want Charley to pass me so GD easy! LOL

[clill]

I just want to publicly apologize to everyone for talking Greg into buying a track car and getting him into the school. I thought great, now we will have a big toterhome etc. I forgot Greg was going to be there as well.

[GregWeld]

I just want to publicly apologize to everyone for talking Greg into buying a track car and getting him into the school. I thought great, now we will have a big toterhome etc. I forgot Greg was going to be there as well.



Maybe you could start to run with NCRC or Hooked on Driving. LOL


I'd switch but NorCal Shelby Club wrote me a letter to tell me how much fun all the flag workers are having when I'm on track.

[Panteracer]

I went thru a lot trial and error on the Pantera
and it is pretty good now. Might go back there after my
journey with the bird

My old mustang (Chet's car) was given to the experts
at Custom alignment to redo brakes springs shocks the
total package. It worked great when done and is still working

Bird is one I want to do myself and learn how to tune it
And even change it if needed Still a leaf spring car
It has been a phase thing with some info from
one of Herb Adams suspension guys of past
I recently changed the back end and then it hooked up
so good it pushed the front. Was told to get softer springs in front
so I bought them but was wondering if this is the right direction
until I reread Ron's thread
I was also told to raise the rear a lot. I am hard headed like
A certain orange car owner and have been fighting that suggestion
but again confirmed in Ron's thread

Will finish it up and start testing. May talk to Ron or my guy
once I can give some feedback. Would rather learn and sort
Parts are bought just need to tweak
I think I just need to be open to changing things
and not just satisfied with better

Greg I think I told you going from 16" to 18" wheels helped your
Handling a lot. I know Ron gave you a great package but my custom
Alignment buddy went from 17"to 18" and picked up over 2 seconds
At thunderhill Car sets faster in the turn instead of waiting for the tire
to recover

Went from 15" to 17" many years before on the bird. Before
My mustang buddy and I were very close after the change I
Just waived bye bye
Thinking 18" May be in the future

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

Bob -- There was so much done at one time that I can't decipher which item made a difference... IMHO it just all works together! The response and the feel of the car are just so incredibly improved. Mostly what I noticed right off the bat was that all the weird sashaying was gone --- and the brakes are so friggin much better it was like I didn't have any at all before!


We also (I should say RON) played with the wheel WIDTH getting the same tire to have a better contact patch.

[Panteracer]

Glad you love the car
Guys like Ron or custom or Maier can
Tear everything off and put all new and hit it that
close. Maier tweaks his cars all the time
Pulls his rolling tool box up in the pit lane at
autocrosses and adjusts. Saw him change springs
at a Pleasanton event. Watched Mary Posey click her shocks
at an event. Looks like you and Ron are going to do that next

I just want to be close and then start tweaking. My herb Adams
Suspension guy told me he sometimes preloaded the sway bar left or right
on certain autocross tracks. That is tweaking

I am with you I want the car ready and don't want to work on
it at the track. But I do want to tune it there

Sashaying. My wife had a X5 BMW. Every time I drove it the rear
end would sashay back and forth. For all that money you would think
the damn German engineers could figure it out

[Jr]

Actually - I just don't want Charley to pass me so GD easy! LOL

Greg,
What car is Charley driving circles around you in?

[intocarss]

I just want to publicly apologize to everyone for talking Greg into buying a track car and getting him into the school. I thought great, now we will have a big toterhome etc. I forgot Greg was going to be there as well. Your posts are killing me! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :thankyou:

[Track Junky]

Hi Greg :hello:

[GregWeld]

Greg,
What car is Charley driving circles around you in?


Charley has a REAL vintage '66 Shelby GT350 that was a B/Production champion.

Leaf springs - drum brakes...

Charley is a real good driver and carries lots of speed. He's been at this a lot longer than I have, and I'll most likely never catch up.

Since I didn't put a TV on the outside of the Toterhome - I was hoping he'd just sell the cars and quit. So far that strategy hasn't worked.

[GregWeld]

Your posts are killing me! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :thankyou:






He doesn't need your encouragement!







Hi Greg :hello:






Hi buddy!

G - for whatever reason - and danged if I can figure it out - the text train stopped on my phone. I'm not getting anything. Don't actually know if it's still going or not. I drove down to the shed the other day and all of a sudden 100 texts came one after another. Since then - nothing. I think I might have gotten a defective iPhone 6 -- and will take it to the Apple store when I hit Vegas. It does weird things.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It's a blessing... Embace it with a reach around.

[Jr]

Charley has a REAL vintage '66 Shelby GT350 that was a B/Production champion.

Leaf springs - drum brakes...

Charley is a real good driver and carries lots of speed. He's been at this a lot longer than I have, and I'll most likely never catch up.

Since I didn't put a TV on the outside of the Toterhome - I was hoping he'd just sell the cars and quit. So far that strategy hasn't worked.

I assumed he was driving Mayhem.
Keep up the good work.
Good luck.

[intocarss]

He doesn't need your encouragement!



If you two had a reality show....... I'd watch it :hello:

[Track Junky]

G - for whatever reason - and danged if I can figure it out - the text train stopped on my phone. I'm not getting anything. Don't actually know if it's still going or not. I drove down to the shed the other day and all of a sudden 100 texts came one after another. Since then - nothing. I think I might have gotten a defective iPhone 6 -- and will take it to the Apple store when I hit Vegas. It does weird things.

No worries. working on catching up this weekend. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

I assumed he was driving Mayhem.
Keep up the good work.
Good luck.




You know --- I have no idea how Mayhem would do with these purpose built track cars.... That car has a bunch of power! And I'm pretty sure that Mark could probably blow both of us off with it. But I'm not really very knowledgeable about all these various cars because I've never driven them. Charley probably has an opinion that would be of interest since he's driven 'em all.






If you two had a reality show....... I'd watch it :hello:





Just come racin' with us one weekend.... if you can stomach that - it could give you a lifetime of laughs. "Mayhem" comes to mind. I wonder if Stielow had anything in mind when he named it that. Or maybe "Jackass"....

[Sieg]

Or maybe "Jackass"....:secret: :whistling:

[intocarss]

Originally Posted by intocarss
If you two had a reality show....... I'd watch it









Just come racin' with us one weekend.... if you can stomach that - it could give you a lifetime of laughs. "Mayhem" comes to mind. I wonder if Stielow had anything in mind when he named it that. Or maybe "Jackass".... Will do!! You guys ain't much worse then racers. And I'll have enough laughs for two life times ;)

[fleetus macmullitz]

Congrats Greg and Ron on getting ye old Stang transformed into a whole bunch of fun. :thumbsup:

Cali needs a problem solver like Ron too.

:D

[GregWeld]

It's funny --- the Mustang was built 14+ years ago... it's had new more powerful motors -- the tires have gotten better... and yet the suspension and brakes remained "old skool". We forget to show the whole car some love.... So this is just exactly what the Doctor ordered. Some upgrading to catch up to the power level... and push the new tire compounds to their limits.


Ron for Gubernator has my vote!!



Speaking of the Gubernator -- Ahnold has a home here in the valley.... One of his kids is now dating Miley Cyrus (?). They were at the table next to us having coffee the other day at Java On Fourth. Here's the beauty of this valley. Not one single person gawked at them - not a single camera or phone came out - and not one person asked for an autograph. They could just come in and enjoy each other and a bowl of soul....

[Flash68]

Speaking of the Gubernator -- Ahnold has a home here in the valley.... One of his kids is now dating Miley Cyrus (?). They were at the table next to us having coffee the other day at Java On Fourth. Here's the beauty of this valley. Not one single person gawked at them - not a single camera or phone came out - and not one person asked for an autograph. They could just come in and enjoy each other and a bowl of soul....

Any chance the people were gawking at you? :computer:

[Che70velle]

Any chance the people were gawking at you? :computer:

No doubt!
I'd rather have a genuine GW autograph in my barn than either one of the other two people you mentioned.

[Flash68]

No doubt!
I'd rather have a genuine GW autograph in my barn than either one of the other two people you mentioned.

I'd rather have a barn. :RunninDog:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Ron Myer approves of this capacity for a 1st gen parts warehouse owner.


:hello:

[GregWeld]

Any chance the people were gawking at you? :computer:





They weren't staring at me particularly but probably comparing Miley and Gwen... thinking that Gwen is far prettier.

[GregWeld]

Meyer and his buddy Leno are talking about spare (unused) parts storage somewhere in LA.... Most likely the Beverly Hills area... or maybe Malibu.




Any chance the people were gawking at you? :computer:

Ron Myer approves of this capacity for a 1st gen parts warehouse owner.


:hello:

[Che70velle]

They weren't staring at me particularly but probably comparing Miley and Gwen... thinking that Gwen is far prettier.

Greg, you're prettier than Miley...

[fleetus macmullitz]

They weren't staring at me particularly but probably comparing Miley and Gwen... thinking that Gwen is far prettier.

Smart man...I hear wives sometimes monitor this joint.


:ohsnap:


lol

[Vince@Meanstreets]

And since this is a RACE CAR thread and not the "parts bin".... A couple of the said Yellow Lemon... and I think even Charley would have to admit the new look is okay! LOL


And yes ---- thanks to Jack Maurer being the super anal guy that he is -- the body is pretty damn nice for a "track car". This isn't a Pro Touring car -- it's nothing but a track car. God bless Jack for building it and Charley for giving it away!






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Hey Greg, what width and backspace are you running up front?

[Ron Sutton]

Hey Vince!

They are 18"' x 9" with 5" backspacing.

:cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Hey Vince!

They are 18"' x 9" with 5" backspacing.

:cheers:

Thanks Ron!!

That's what I'm getting too. Upper ball joint gets in the way. Too bad cause there is so much room in there.

On the one with the Ridetech suspension I can go 6" BS but the lower control arm has a funky bend in it. If it wasn't for that I can go 6 1/2" BS on a 10" wheel.

[GregWeld]

I don't know anything about the car -- I just know I can't wait to run it at Thunderhill May 2nd and 3rd...


Yippppppeeeeeeee

[GregWeld]

After Ron Sutton Race Technologies prepared a plan to completely upgrade the suspension on the Mustang - this weekend was the first full weekend of being able to run the car hard and dial in all the things we all want to work on.... including the DRIVER. With that being a criteria for me... we decided to install a complete radio system. I was nervous about this at first - thinking that maybe this would be very distracting just as I'm about to enter a corner at speed etc - but it had the opposite affect. Ron can lull anyone to sleep. Kidding here. Knowing where traffic was - who was on my ass - talking me thru (when he could see me) some steps... keeping me calm and looking ahead. THIS IS WORTH EVERY NICKEL! Now I want the other guys I run with to install radios so we can talk. Might help us as a group to "group up" when on track... sometimes you're only a turn or two back and we could easily find that out and adjust our positions.

I have a simple push to talk button on the steering wheel -- and my helmet came pre-wired with ears and mic... these radios are so clear and crisp! Thanks to RSRT for guiding this process and making the right equipment choices!





Motorola FTW....





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So the larger point is - the car is faster by spades -- the driver, not so much. We're lapping at 2:07's and 2:08's -- but doing so easier by far than the old set up. The car is planted and stable - there's more than enough brake now... and I can turn wherever I choose to and be confident with experimenting on the line.






The tires took a beating... running faster is going to put more pressures on the tires -- and we had to dial in the air pressures.... and I was spending all weekend trying to learn to late apex - carry more speed - accelerate harder and faster... and on and on.





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The bigger wider wheels and all the camber changes etc... caused some inside rubbing issues. So some mods are in order. I had to just take the offending piece out and chop it up a bit. Done!






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YA GOTTA CUT TO CURE!! LOL






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DONE!


I smoothed all of this up in case there is still some contact -- we don't need to cut a tire at 125 going into turn 1..... and now it looks like a factory stamped piece.





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The brake bias needed some adjusting -- and a different pad COF was the decided "fix". The goal here is to buy fewer rotors.... pads are cheap... so the car is running the better Spec 37 rotors... with softer pads. What I like here is that RON made a brilliant decision to run the Race version calipers.... OMG -- A pad change is like one bolt!! BAM!






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The other issue that was fixed was the pinion seal. This was changed out to a cast iron retainer and a positive pinion seal retainer was added. A weekend of running hard and not a single weep or drop of gear lube. This rear end was always "wet" before this fix!






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A long story -- but I diverted to Portland to acquire another hot rod... then on up to Seattle to fetch Gwen some wine from our storage place... then back to Eye Da Ho... My favorite landing spot is just east of Pendleton Oregon (remember the shirts?) high up overlooking the valley. Since this wide spot in the road is a "scenic" viewing sight -- NOBODY pulls in there at night - making for a peaceful sleep. It was stormy and windy but cool sights! Made it hard to BBQ though! But I was successful non-the-less.





This view was looking WEST......






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This was the view if I just turned my head EAST.... LOL






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And just because..... Fabrication is really just not an issue in my little "shed".

The Rio Red '33 Coupe is the newest addition - sadly - due to the death of a great friend. He always wanted me to have the car.... so it shall be done!






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And a new set of shoes ready to go!!








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[DBasher]

I'm glad everything (the motor) held together for you and the weekend was a success! Looks like you won't be needing the back up to the back up race car anymore.:D
Love the new ride!!
"Every girls crazy about a sharp dressed man"

[Ron Sutton]

Good progress report. Love the fab work "Weld". :)

[Che70velle]

Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, Greg.
Sounds like the outing was a success, nonetheless.
You'll wonder how, and WHY, you ever raced without radios.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Should have cut higher for when you get faster. :peepwall:

[glassman]

Hey Greg congrats on the success of the new set up in the stang. So sorry i missed you up at the T-Hill Shelby run (family duties take precedent over mike duties lol).

Looking forward to running with ya soon (well, behind you now lol)

Sorry to hear about your friend, looks like you'll have a sweet reminder of what friendship is to look at....

[GregWeld]

I'm glad everything (the motor) held together for you and the weekend was a success! Looks like you won't be needing the back up to the back up race car anymore.:D
Love the new ride!!
"Every girls crazy about a sharp dressed man"



ZZ Top --- and that's pretty much what the new '33 is styled after.

Nice car once I fixed a few things - like actually got the 8 stack EFI working properly!! It's the little things....




Good progress report. Love the fab work "Weld". :







Thanks!! It's pretty much my first time fabing anything.....






Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, Greg.
Sounds like the outing was a success, nonetheless.
You'll wonder how, and WHY, you ever raced without radios.




They worked great! I just didn't really know what to expect...but they're very helpful. Of course it also helps when you have Sutton on the other end... It's pretty much his first time at racing.





Should have cut higher for when you get faster. :peepwall:




Just fast enough to be in front of an Orange Camaro. Done! Good enough! LOL





Hey Greg congrats on the success of the new set up in the stang. So sorry i missed you up at the T-Hill Shelby run (family duties take precedent over mike duties lol).

Looking forward to running with ya soon (well, behind you now lol)

Sorry to hear about your friend, looks like you'll have a sweet reminder of what friendship is to look at....





Wienie! Family is replaceable - race dates aren't.


Stan was a really good friend -- the car is good memories.

[clill]

The day I see you going into turn one at 125mph there will be chickens flying out of my butt...

[GregWeld]

The day I see you going into turn one at 125mph there will be chickens flying out of my butt...




That would mean that you'd actually shown up to run.....

[SSLance]

Sorry about your friend Greg. Great progress report, sounds like now it's down to just the fine tuning. Well, and tuning the driver. lol...

[GregWeld]

Sorry about your friend Greg. Great progress report, sounds like now it's down to just the fine tuning. Well, and tuning the driver. lol...




First thing I tuned out was Lillard.

[GregWeld]

I just want to publicly apologize to everyone for talking Greg into buying a track car and getting him into the school. I thought great, now we will have a big toterhome etc. I forgot Greg was going to be there as well.




Best weekend EVER of tracking the car.... While you wasted your time in Lost Wages watching the worst fight of the century... We sat around the TV (okay it's a little small but it worked!).... watching the "non fight" ... BBQ'n... drinking...and making fun of you for not being there (at the track). LOL



From your "friends".....




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[craig510]

The bigger wider wheels and all the camber changes etc... caused some inside rubbing issues. So some mods are in order. I had to just take the offending piece out and chop it up a bit. Done!


I warned you about this way back at the bottom of page 104.

[GregWeld]

RE: The Warning!

You certainly did Craig!! I hope I trimmed enough off -- and if not -- I still own all the tools to do it again! LOL



People warned me about Charlie having the "bird flew" too.... but I didn't pay attention then either...




Greg,

This is how mine turned out:

They still rubbed during autoX runs even after I took a cut on them.
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[Sieg]

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I ran up a met Greg yesterday at Oregon Raceway Park (aka: The Farm) for the second of two track days he spent there. I hadn't planned on driving, my plan was tire, camera, and video bitch, but I was informed elsewise by Greg.

He had his new supercar (Miata) there so after I gave it a little TLC I was running laps on a track I know very well for a change. After a few sessions I was informed I was driving THE Mustang next. This made my body start doing strange things......nervous like a monkey that's just eaten a handful of fish hooks may be the best description.

I know the car's previous set up pretty well and partook in numerous pit sessions with Greg and Ron Sutton identifying the cars on track manners and Greg's objectives. I was with Greg when the car was dropped off at BMR for modifications and Ron gave us a thorough tour of BMR's exceptional facility.

I had a good idea of what the car was like on track previously, and I was supposed to drive the 'old' car the day the engine developed issues......thankfully I didn't, but wish I would have so know the before and after first hand.

I get belted in and fire it up and proceed to stall it twice backing it up in reverse.....obviously it's lacking power. :D :sieg: I'm heading to the staging area thinking: Haven't driven a Jerico trans before, or a locker rear, or anything with 580 hp.......:headspin:

One easy lap to acclimate to the controls and feedback of the car and I was really impressed with the manners and all fear was gone. By the second lap I was confident and trusted the car, by the third I'm losing rear grip in 3rd & 4th gear on the uphill straights. The rest of the laps were the best time I've had in a car on track - PERIOD! Never once did this car catch me off guard or surprise me in any way. Brakes are powerful and user friendly, turn in is precise, and the transition through the apex and exit are silky smooth. Did I mention the motor in this car is OMG good!? It pulls so strong and linear it's unbelievable, never a hit, just grin inducing traction compromising big league revving pull!

Ron Sutton's entire process is methodical, thorough and very impressive to observe, but I had no idea he'd deliver a package as user friendly as this car is - especially to a first time driver. The car is so much fun to drive it's hard to describe, it really needs to be experienced. Money well spent!

Job well done Mr. Sutton. :captain1:

[SSLance]

Man... I bet that was a fun day!! Sounds great.

Did Greg keep the notebook up for you, checking the tire temps, rotor temps, and air pressures right as you came off the track? :D

[Greg from Aus]

Great to see you 2 old farts having fun :D

[Sieg]

Man... I bet that was a fun day!! Sounds great.

Did Greg keep the notebook up for you, checking the tire temps, rotor temps, and air pressures right as you came off the track? :D
It was Lance, first time I'd had a car on Oregon Raceway Park and it's just as much fun if not more than a bike. I'd been hearing complaints from people that the track is too narrow but I never experienced that feeling.

Regarding data acquisition.......Uh No! :snapout:

Great to see you 2 old farts having fun :D
I'm thinking this is the first time I've been tagged 'old fart'.......I can easily live with that......and I wish you'd have been copilot in my car for the trip over and back. :unibrow:

You really need to put some 245's on all four corners of your car and take it too the track. That is serious hoonigan fun!!!

On a serious note those 245's keep things in check because the Mustang with big tire grip and that motor would carry stupid fast speed which can end the FUN in a hurry.......especially for old farts.

I'll never forget how sweet that motor felt! :hail:

[GregWeld]

Great to see you 2 old farts having fun :D



It's my "job"..... LOL



This was a private track day trip. Friday and Saturday... ALL DAY -- 7 cars - run on and off the track at will... no groups ... passing anywhere...

The track is made for small light cars like the Lotus 2 11... the straight is very short <relative> but if you had power you could haul some ass. 2.3 miles of twists and turns and ups and downs. I don't think I've ever had so much fun. Nor have I ever driven so much in two days. OMG. I was worn out. I took a full tank in the Mustang - and 41 gallons worth of 110 octane in jugs <don't like doing that!>.... and thank god Sieg showed up with some octane booster so I could buy some 92 and boost it and then mix that with the 110. I used it all up! So I went through 60+ gallons of race gas in two days.... EEEEEHHHHHAAAAA

[GregWeld]

Man... I bet that was a fun day!! Sounds great.

Did Greg keep the notebook up for you, checking the tire temps, rotor temps, and air pressures right as you came off the track? :D




Lance -- A buddy of mine has a Lotus 2 11 (I have one too) and I was his tire bitch all weekend... It's actually fun! I felt like a real pit crew dude. LOL

There were only 7 cars on this track event. So we got more driving than we could use.. it was a drive - then sit and rest and water up - and drive some more kind of a day(s).

[GregWeld]

You'll see the "loss of grip" on the tighter corners where you're back on the throttle... and there's a little nose bobble... LOL The car is super neutral - and predictable.. but there's way too much power to tire width ratio! Makes it fun as hell in my book! Very visceral!

Videos never capture the speed or the track IMHO.... There's so many blind corners and "areas" on this track. There are a couple places where I just couldn't quite remember "where I was" on the track. It would take a lot more miles there to get it down. In the driver meeting - they talk about how many people go out "thinking" they have it down - and there's a LEFT where they though was a RIGHT... OUCH! LOL



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[fleetus macmullitz]

Millennials ain't havin that kinda fun...lol

I like that Big Orange Camaro is front and center and Old Yeller is in the background...I mean the Stang, not GW.


:D

[Greg from Aus]

I'm thinking this is the first time I've been tagged 'old fart'.......I can easily live with that......and I wish you'd have been copilot in my car for the trip over and back. :unibrow:

You really need to put some 245's on all four corners of your car and take it too the track. That is serious hoonigan fun!!!

On a serious note those 245's keep things in check because the Mustang with big tire grip and that motor would carry stupid fast speed which can end the FUN in a hurry.......especially for old farts.

I'll never forget how sweet that motor felt! :hail:


Hahaha. Glad you had a blast. I would loved to have ridden shotgun, anything for a bit of fun.

It's my "job"..... LOL

About time you finally got a job!
Glad you are living the dream, I'm jealous cause I'm so bloody busy working.



This was a private track day trip. Friday and Saturday... ALL DAY -- 7 cars - run on and off the track at will... no groups ... passing anywhere...

The track is made for small light cars like the Lotus 2 11... the straight is very short <relative> but if you had power you could haul some ass. 2.3 miles of twists and turns and ups and downs. I don't think I've ever had so much fun. Nor have I ever driven so much in two days. OMG. I was worn out. I took a full tank in the Mustang - and 41 gallons worth of 110 octane in jugs <don't like doing that!>.... and thank god Sieg showed up with some octane booster so I could buy some 92 and boost it and then mix that with the 110. I used it all up! So I went through 60+ gallons of race gas in two days.... EEEEEHHHHHAAAAA

Sounds like a few days at Bondurant.


You'll see the "loss of grip" on the tighter corners where you're back on the throttle... and there's a little nose bobble... LOL The car is super neutral - and predictable.. but there's way too much power to tire width ratio! Makes it fun as hell in my book! Very visceral!

Videos never capture the speed or the track IMHO.... There's so many blind corners and "areas" on this track. There are a couple places where I just couldn't quite remember "where I was" on the track. It would take a lot more miles there to get it down. In the driver meeting - they talk about how many people go out "thinking" they have it down - and there's a LEFT where they though was a RIGHT... OUCH! LOL



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Looked great.

[Flash68]

Come on Sieg, I thought your sole purpose of going up there was to fix the vertical location of that gopro mount on the Mustang.

Fail.

:twak:

[Chad-1stGen]

Come on Sieg, I thought your sole purpose of going up there was to fix the vertical location of that gopro mount on the Mustang.

Fail.

:twak:

ha ha ha! Seriously though...

Greg, you have a data acquisition system in the Mustang right? It really makes the videos more fun when you merge a data overlay onto the video with speed, rpms etc.

[Sieg]

Come on Sieg, I thought your sole purpose of going up there was to fix the vertical location of that gopro mount on the Mustang.

Fail.

:twak:
Plans change........sometimes for the better. :D

I lost a lot of time (1/30th of my total trip) sourcing some part called a lug nut. :sieg:

I was :twak: myself listening to the video that night in the toter. :waveflag:

You saw my mount failure.......at least you can hear the roar of the engine........ when the Lotus, BMW, Lotus, and Mustang creep by me:

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[GregWeld]

ha ha ha! Seriously though...

Greg, you have a data acquisition system in the Mustang right? It really makes the videos more fun when you merge a data overlay onto the video with speed, rpms etc.




Data acquisition in the Mustang is your back pressed into the seat.... and the heat off the floorboards... and the shifter in the palm of your hand.

[Chad-1stGen]

Data acquisition in the Mustang is your back pressed into the seat.... and the heat off the floorboards... and the shifter in the palm of your hand.

You have just caused my track day withdrawal symptoms to spike. Now I want to go do a track day!

[Flash68]

Data acquisition in the Mustang is your back pressed into the seat.... and the heat off the floorboards... and the shifter in the palm of your hand.

Winning.

[GregWeld]

You have just caused my track day withdrawal symptoms to spike. Now I want to go do a track day!

LOL --- YEP!!!


I will say this ---- and I know this is blasphemy on a pro touring site.... but I have absolutely ZERO use for a "street" car.... The pure track car is so visceral... LOUD - HOT - stripped down to the bare essentials... and set up just for performance. I don't want to compromise the suspension settings.. or tires or any of that. Track driving is just too addicting and we don't get enough of it... so when I do... I want it to be pure "race car" feeling (I suck at driving - but I like the feedback etc). And I like to not cringe when I hear stuff hitting the car (and it does like crazy) and I like to not have to be "careful" when working on it etc. I'm really "over" having to be nice to high dollar paint... and clean beautiful interiors... Light weight, horsepower, and super sticky tires is such a fun combo!

[sanddan]

Hey Greg, nice to meet you on Friday. That Mustang sure looked good on the track. I hope to try out that track soon.

[glassman]

What a great report you guys!!!

Greg, seriously, i'm glad you (read Ron here) got that car dialed (or close) and just plain having fun with it...fun stuff.

Sieg, sweet stuff huh? how do you like it compared to off road? I get the same amount of "euphoria" from either, but dont come home sore as he!! after the track.....

Hope to see y'all soon....Cheers...

[SSLance]

LOL --- YEP!!!


I will say this ---- and I know this is blasphemy on a pro touring site.... but I have absolutely ZERO use for a "street" car.... The pure track car is so visceral... LOUD - HOT - stripped down to the bare essentials... and set up just for performance. I don't want to compromise the suspension settings.. or tires or any of that. Track driving is just too addicting and we don't get enough of it... so when I do... I want it to be pure "race car" feeling (I suck at driving - but I like the feedback etc). And I like to not cringe when I hear stuff hitting the car (and it does like crazy) and I like to not have to be "careful" when working on it etc. I'm really "over" having to be nice to high dollar paint... and clean beautiful interiors... Light weight, horsepower, and super sticky tires is such a fun combo!

You just described my car...well except for the light weight and horsepower parts... :D and the cup holders of course. ;)

[Sieg]

What a great report you guys!!!

Greg, seriously, i'm glad you (read Ron here) got that car dialed (or close) and just plain having fun with it...fun stuff.

Sieg, sweet stuff huh? how do you like it compared to off road? I get the same amount of "euphoria" from either, but dont come home sore as he!! after the track.....

Hope to see y'all soon....Cheers...

Mike,

What the Mustang reminded me of most was my '11 KTM 300XC with ideal traction conditions in Central Oregon - You can absolutely trust the front end, turns inside or outside with ease, throttle steer the rear IF you want, and powerful predictable brakes.......doesn't get any better than that in my book.

Ron's process works brilliantly in this 'nobody's' opinion.

[GregWeld]

Hey Greg, nice to meet you on Friday. That Mustang sure looked good on the track. I hope to try out that track soon.


Poor little Mustang - had to try and run with those pesky Lotus, Caterham, and BMW... Nice meeting you as well!! Great track!! Tough to learn... but OMG fun!

I used to live up at Shorty's Corners (Sandy).... and my Brother in Law lives in Boring on Regner Terrace.

[Che70velle]

Nice Greg!
The camera view from the low point it's set at (basically hood level) made it hard to tell what was up ahead. Car sounds great, and looked like a runner, for sure.
Glad to see you enjoying your toys!

[clill]

Is it dialed in enough for me to report it stolen yet ?

[GregWeld]

Is it dialed in enough for me to report it stolen yet ?



Gwen says "tell him it's just about there -- you've redone everything on it... haven't ya?"

[sanddan]

Poor little Mustang - had to try and run with those pesky Lotus, Caterham, and BMW... Nice meeting you as well!! Great track!! Tough to learn... but OMG fun!

I used to live up at Shorty's Corners (Sandy).... and my Brother in Law lives in Boring on Regner Terrace.

I am in Damascus, not far from the Safeway. LOL

[Panteracer]

Sounds like you guys had a great time
I understand only having a small amount of cars on
the track.. done that many times with my Pantera group
lots of room out there.... good to hear the car is running and
sorted...I kinda miss my old mustang sometimes as Greg says
you don't have to worry about Rock chips etc

Bob

[garret805]

Badass riveted fastback panels.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'll just leave this here...lol


@automobilemag: The new #Lotus 3-Eleven is a lean, mean, 450-hp track machine: http://t.co/z15JHrT4tr

[syborg tt]

I like green