Greg Weld's 65 Mustang fastback track car

[GregWeld]

Found another EXCELLENT video -- and we're running Laguna Seca November....






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[Rick D]

Nice Greg that's a neat little back up,car! So what's with the Nomad title, did you sell it or trade it in? I knew I should have bought that car when you offered it to me :headspin:

[GregWeld]

Is this the eurotrash carbon you referred to my friend???



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[GregWeld]

Nice Greg that's a neat little back up,car! So what's with the Nomad title, did you sell it or trade it in? I knew I should have bought that car when you offered it to me :headspin:




Well -- I've had the car since 1998 --- done two chassis -- and 5 motors - and a couple different trannys in the car.... I've done just about everything a guy could do in and with it.... and I haven't driven it except to get gas - for like 2 years.... Sail it or Sell it.

When I "accidentally" bought the Lotus - I called my buddy of some 25 years that's a car dealer here in Portland and told him to come get his new Nomad. He did. I left plenty of meat on the bone for him.

[DaleTx]

By the way -- when I left PIR this morning -- I had to wait for them to unlock the gates to go out -- lined up coming in is a big azz race rig -- and a guy standing in the street BS'n with another car.... The silhouette looks familiar so I get out and walk to them. It's my buddy that owns the dyno.... and they're bringing TWO WOLF cars --- a Honda V-Tec car and the FIRST IN THE USA fresh from Italy - a totally carbon fiber V8 version! I, of course, turned my rig around and went straight to the pits. Apparently today is a test and tune day for a SCCA race this weekend.

I drove home -- got the title to the Nomad - some spares - a can of paint with the code - took a shower.... bought more coffee grounds from Starbucks -- and I'm back at PIR as I type this.

Picking up the MEATBALL RACING 2/11 at 10 AM.... I just couldn't let it sit at the dealer while I was in SV! So here I am!


LOL -- I'm such a putz!

Time to update the signature!... hope to see the new Lotus 2-Eleven and the Mustang back here at PIR in September. It was nice to meet you yesterday.

Hopefully you won't be seeing anymore meatball flags for a while... at least you have a back up car now :thumbsup:

[JB64CHEVELLE]

Congrats .... I am sure you are going to have a blast with it!

[GregWeld]

Was great to meet you too Dale! Can't believe you drove in from your vacation on the coast! But glad you did!

I've said it fifty or maybe 60 gazillion times -- best part of cars is the people you get to meet!

[Sieg]

Is this the eurotrash carbon you referred to my friend???

That would be it and yes I'd roll in that trash! :hello:

[GregWeld]

That would be it and yes I'd roll in that trash! :hello:




I DID!!!!!





HA!!!

[Track Junky]

From what I've seen once you drive that Lotus you wont want to ever drive anything else......that thing looks like waaaay to much fun, LOL

[Sieg]

I DID!!!!!





HA!!!

:bur2:

[96z28ss]

that lotus looks crazy fast! I don't know what will get your arms more tired, steering and shifting, or waving bye-bye to everyone you pass.

[Flash68]

1:34 at Laguna is no joke. What a rocket!

Out with the old and in with the new.

Look at Greggers selling the touring cars and buying race cars.

Sounds like "pro touring" to me! :D

[Payton King]

is just bad ass! Great purchase

[GregWeld]

You and Charley just like it because it has yellow on it!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA




To be quite honest.... When the guy told me "I won't be passing anyone on the straights" --- I took his word for it. So I WAS thinking this would be a killer little back up car AND a car my son Alex could come out and learn to drive in.... AFTER he takes more pro driving schools (arranging those now!)... and now I think he might be better off in the Mustang!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my!

[GregWeld]

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[Lenie]

Dam...that's all I got to say...Dam:weld:

[sik68]

That thing is just vicious!! Congrats Greg!

[DBasher]

New cars just aren't fun... they do everything well and are too easy to drive. They've got huge brakes -- they have ABS -- they have - dare I say it - no soul.
:action-smiley-027:


Center steering, no windshield, monkey bars, sure looks like a lot of fun! I'm guessing its not street legal, mainly because I haven't seen any in the Microsoft parking lot.


p.s. My names Dan not Alex, sheesh Greg err dad.
:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

New cars just aren't fun... they do everything well and are too easy to drive. They've got huge brakes -- they have ABS -- they have - dare I say it - no soul.
:action-smiley-027:


Center steering, no windshield, monkey bars, sure looks like a lot of fun! I'm guessing its not street legal, mainly because I haven't seen any in the Microsoft parking lot.


p.s. My names Dan not Alex, sheesh Greg err dad.
:thumbsup:



It's not new -- technically it's a USED race car.....


I know... I know.... but the deal was too good to pass up --- the colors are right -- I was there.... it was there.... and anyway -- it's a good back up car because the salesman told me they never break.... But then again -- he's the same guy that told me they won't pass anything on the straights... hmmmmmmmm.



You'd likely not see them in the MSFT parking lot -- they're not street legal and I had to sign all manor of shiiiiiiz that Lotus makes you sign that it doesn't have a title - isn't street legal and blah blah blah....

[GregWeld]

Dam...that's all I got to say...Dam:weld:




HAHAHAHAHAHA - Gotta love it buddy!!





That thing is just vicious!! Congrats Greg!




I hope so!!! Love it -- VICIOUS.... The attack of the killer bumble bee!!





New cars just aren't fun... they do everything well and are too easy to drive. They've got huge brakes -- they have ABS -- they have - dare I say it - no soul.
:action-smiley-027:


Center steering, no windshield, monkey bars, sure looks like a lot of fun! I'm guessing its not street legal, mainly because I haven't seen any in the Microsoft parking lot.


p.s. My names Dan not Alex, sheesh Greg err dad.
:thumbsup:


Now son.... You know you have to get straight A's.. and have a perfect attendance record... and brush your teeth... and...



:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

What mods do you have planned for it, Dad? :lol:

P.S. I brushed my teeth last night!

[Sieg]

What mods do you have planned for it, Dad? :lol:

P.S. I brushed my teeth last night!

Have you brushed them yet this morning? :D

Best mods would be extra sticky tires and brake pads! :woot: :woot:

[GregWeld]

Have you brushed them yet this morning? :D

Best mods would be extra sticky tires and brake pads! :woot: :woot:



Has brand new never been used rotors and pads done by the dealer.

Hosier A6's for the road course???


Hahahaha

[GregWeld]

What mods do you have planned for it, Dad? :lol:

P.S. I brushed my teeth last night!




First things first --- I have to figure out what the hell I bought! Drive it on the track --- and then assess it from there.

First thoughts are -- I'd do NOTHING to it... except make the fire system better... Get myself a Hans device... along with a carbon fiber helmet... and some skills.

[GregWeld]

Of course -- like anyone would -- I'm busy studying this little Lotus...


1477 pounds!

The body weighs in at 88 pounds!


Not much in the HP and TQ numbers like we're used to around here --- but it's good enough to make this lightweight scoot 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and 0-100 in 9.1..... Not bad for 109 cubic inches! LOL

[Flash68]

That sounds more like it... when you told me it was 2200 lbs I was calling BS immediately.... you sandbagger. LOL

What a little rocket.

[Sieg]

Of course -- like anyone would -- I'm busy studying this little Lotus...


1477 pounds!

The body weighs in at 88 pounds!


Not much in the HP and TQ numbers like we're used to around here --- but it's good enough to make this lightweight scoot 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and 0-100 in 9.1..... Not bad for 109 cubic inches! LOL
5.86 lbs per hp

170 lb ft @ 7,000 peak hp at 8,000

Roots style supercharger

1/4 mile 12.6 1/8 mile 8.2 @ 92 mph

0-100-0 16.1

Ohlins 2-way adj. coilover shocks w/ remote res.

Adjustable front bar

Top speed 150-155.

:gitrdun:

[96z28ss]

Of course -- like anyone would -- I'm busy studying this little Lotus...


1477 pounds!

The body weighs in at 88 pounds!


Not much in the HP and TQ numbers like we're used to around here --- but it's good enough to make this lightweight scoot 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and 0-100 in 9.1..... Not bad for 109 cubic inches! LOL

1477lbs vs 2000 lbs. thats huge. I just LOL when I know you just impulse bought that. You had no idea what it was or is. When I saw the youtube videos posted in this thread. I was thinking to myself "damn that's a track car, and why are they passing people on the straights? Greg said it was underpowered in the straights".

Oh, 1477lbs thats probably with 2 seats, you have a one seater, probably 1450 lbs now.

[GregWeld]

1477lbs vs 2000 lbs. thats huge. I just LOL when I know you just impulse bought that. You had know idea what it was or is. When I saw the youtube videos posted in this thread. I was thinking to myself "damn that's a track car, and why are they passing people on the straights? Greg said it was underpowered in the straights".

Oh, 1477lbs thats probably with 2 seats, you have a one seater probably 1450 lbs now.




That is true -- and mine's been juiced a bit as well.... but we're not talkin'! I want to be all stealth about it!

It's kinda like a 3 lb trigger pull... ya gots to be careful!

[gnx7]

Those Lotus track cars are amazing! Would love to drive one someday.
My rx7 has a similar p/w ratio :)

That black car coming off the transporter was a Norma right?
My buddy Brandon Kraus from Roger Kraus racing is one of the co-drivers.
It will be at the 25hrs of Thunderhill this year. I thought it was a French car?

[GregWeld]

Those Lotus track cars are amazing! Would love to drive one someday.
My rx7 has a similar p/w ratio :)

That black car coming off the transporter was a Norma right?
My buddy Brandon Kraus from Roger Kraus racing is one of the co-drivers.
It will be at the 25hrs of Thunderhill this year. I thought it was a French car?




No --- the all carbon fiber bodied car being unloaded off the transporter is a WOLF --- GB08S


http://www.wolfracingcars.com/home/ing

[GregWeld]

Well --- I was able to pick up the Mustang after dropping off Mayhem at Charley's. This time around I "only" had a Jessel shaft style rocker arm broken -- which bent a valve ($131 for ONE titanium exhaust valve)… it only kissed the piston -- and everything else was fine. Replaced the retainer and spring - head gasket etc and all is wonderful with the world now.

Considering the motor had to be pulled -- taken to the builder (T.O.E. Performance) and broken down - fixed - and re-installed… the $3200 bill seems very fair. That includes 10 hours of engine builder time to make sure all was fine with the motor other than the busted rocker arm.

So Laguna Seca here I come!! We'll see if I can get one whole weekend of track time out of her!!

[Track Junky]

Lucky Bastard. You have no idea how bad I want to go. Cant work on my car till I finish the rental and my freshened up trans is just sitting next to my car waiting to be installed.
Caulked and painted two sides of the house today. Two more sides to go and then I have to paint the trim, rebuild the front porch, paint the inside, replace flooring, and so on and so on :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :willy:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Lucky Bastard. You have no idea how bad I want to go. Cant work on my car till I finish the rental and my freshened up trans is just sitting next to my car waiting to be installed.
Caulked and painted two sides of the house today. Two more sides to go and then I have to paint the trim, rebuild the front porch, paint the inside, replace flooring, and so on and so on :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :willy:

no home depots around you?
EL :gitrdun:

[Stuart Adams]

Greg, you would look good in the MULE or JACKASS, just saying.:D :D

[GregWeld]

Lucky Bastard. You have no idea how bad I want to go. Cant work on my car till I finish the rental and my freshened up trans is just sitting next to my car waiting to be installed.
Caulked and painted two sides of the house today. Two more sides to go and then I have to paint the trim, rebuild the front porch, paint the inside, replace flooring, and so on and so on :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :willy:



Hobaugh and Pozzi's will be there -- and Charley…. it will be a hoot. I'm home now but leaving again Monday night - and will celebrate Thanksgiving in Carmel… Alex is coming up from Redondo Beach for Turkey day and I have him signed up in Yellow group to drive the Lotus. You'll be missed buddy! Who's going to let the air out of my tires?





no home depots around you?
EL :gitrdun:




Do contractors hire contractors? :G-Dub:





Greg, you would look good in the MULE or JACKASS, just saying.:D :D





Just shut up right now Stuart! I just bought a back up car - and have since spent 10 grand making it right - the '33 is almost finished - and I'm building a new house out of pocket… I don't need your help - or Charley's either, for that matter. He's cost me a small fortune as it is already! :bang: :lol:

[Stuart Adams]

Hobaugh and Pozzi's will be there -- and Charley…. it will be a hoot. I'm home now but leaving again Monday night - and will celebrate Thanksgiving in Carmel… Alex is coming up from Redondo Beach for Turkey day and I have him signed up in Yellow group to drive the Lotus. You'll be missed buddy! Who's going to let the air out of my tires?










Do contractors hire contractors? :G-Dub:











Just shut up right now Stuart! I just bought a back up car - and have since spent 10 grand making it right - the '33 is almost finished - and I'm building a new house out of pocket… I don't need your help - or Charley's either, for that matter. He's cost me a small fortune as it is already! :bang: :lol:

Yeah but your our hero and we live thru you. When your dead the kids just fight over it, wife gets a boyfriend, so your last check should go to the morgue and bounce!!

[Track Junky]

Hobaugh and Pozzi's will be there -- and Charley…. it will be a hoot. I'm home now but leaving again Monday night - and will celebrate Thanksgiving in Carmel… Alex is coming up from Redondo Beach for Turkey day and I have him signed up in Yellow group to drive the Lotus. You'll be missed buddy! Who's going to let the air out of my tires?

Wish I could help you out but it sounds like you will be in good hands. Don't get lazy......make adjustments if needed. Heard that track is super slick in the cold. Take some good pic's!! :thumbsup:

[Stuart Adams]

Wish I could help you out but it sounds like you will be in good hands. Don't get lazy......make adjustments if needed. Heard that track is super slick in the cold. Take some good pic's!! :thumbsup:

Sounds like a good time.

[GregWeld]

Wish I could help you out but it sounds like you will be in good hands. Don't get lazy......make adjustments if needed. Heard that track is super slick in the cold. Take some good pic's!! :thumbsup:





I would imagine that the track will be cold this time of year. I can deal with that. It's Alex that I'm worried about. The lotus is way more powerful than you would imagine and he'll think he's parnelli jones... We'll have to have a good father son discussion about expectations... Which he will forget all about while still in first gear.

[Track Junky]

I've been jonesing to get out so bad I've been watching recordings of the last two Continental and Rolex series races from the last season over and over again.

The last two races were at Lime Rock and Laguna. They brought up the fact that Laguna was very slick more than a few times. Make sure that gets embedded into Alexi's head. Some times a wack to the back of the head helps :lol: Looking forward to hearing about it :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

The Rig is sitting quietly waiting to unload the Lotus and the Mustang tomorrow morning.

Thank goodness they let me park the POS at the track when I arrived Wednesday so we could come into Carmel (where we have a hotel and Turkey dinner plans) and enjoy ourselves a bit.




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[clill]

I'm more worried about the Village Idiot staying on track. When you go off here you usually get introduced to a wall. :headspin:

[Sieg]

Going out a stout limb here............

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[GregWeld]

I'm more worried about the Village Idiot staying on track. When you go off here you usually get introduced to a wall. :headspin:



The village idiot was ALEX --- who managed to wad up the Lotus in turn 5…


ME however -- didn't even spin! Not once! And I was running Green group - Not one Black flag either ---- which Hobaugh can't make that claim!! Oh that's a good one I'll save up til later. Right now - I need some coffee and a shower.


HAHAHAHAHAHA


We all had fun today -- the Lotus can be fixed -- it was a beautiful day -- Pozzi's came out to play - Brian and Steve Hobaugh brought the Camaro - Lillard brought out Mayhem - Mike Maier came down to hang… so we got a little socializing in and some driving.

THE MUSTANG MADE A FULL DAY OF REDLINES WITHOUT A HITCH!! Gotta love that!!

[GregWeld]

Some pics my Daughter Adrienne took….




Like father like son -- guess which one is which… Did I ever tell you guys I hate brite blue??





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ALEX and I -- before he wadded up the Lotus -- you know -- back when I still liked him. LOL





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My new helmet -- which I never got to wear today….





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And the Village Idiot…..





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[GregWeld]

And the lonely little Mustang coming down out of the Cork Screw…


So I FEARED that turn until I actually got to run it --- and I loved it --- GO FIGURE!





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[Sieg]

I know the corkscrew is a hoot on a bike......lack of visibility due to a hood would definitely add to the excitement! Once you pick up your target no problem.

[Ron in SoCal]

Great pics and story Greg! Glad you had a fun day...:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

The village idiot was ALEX --- who managed to wad up the Lotus in turn 5…


ME however -- didn't even spin! Not once! And I was running Green group - Not one Black flag either ---- which Hobaugh can't make that claim!! Oh that's a good one I'll save up til later. Right now - I need some coffee and a shower.


HAHAHAHAHAHA


We all had fun today -- the Lotus can be fixed -- it was a beautiful day -- Pozzi's came out to play - Brian and Steve Hobaugh brought the Camaro - Lillard brought out Mayhem - Mike Maier came down to hang… so we got a little socializing in and some driving.

THE MUSTANG MADE A FULL DAY OF REDLINES WITHOUT A HITCH!! Gotta love that!!


Greg,

We had a great day today and thanks for lunch. The weather was perfect and it was awesome to see the Pozzi's come out along with Mike Maier. I just wish we got more track time with Charlie, you, and me on the track together. The Lotus will fix. I have been there and done that.

Black flag....me????

Hope to do it again soon!
Brian

[GregWeld]

Greg,

We had a great day today and thanks for lunch. The weather was perfect and it was awesome to see the Pozzi's come out along with Mike Maier. I just wish we got more track time with Charlie, you, and me on the track together. The Lotus will fix. I have been there and done that.

Black flag....me????

Hope to do it again soon!
Brian




It was a blast Brian! I was so glad to see you two out there!


Agree - not the run times we normally get. But I'm so glad that I got to drive there! That's not a beginners track nor is it very forgiving when someone runs out of talent.

You're right the lotus can be fixed. It's no big deal.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

That sucks but that's racing. So I guess Alex will start a line of new CF lotus body kits?

[GregWeld]

That sucks but that's racing. So I guess Alex will start a line of new CF lotus body kits?



You two are peas in a pod! That was about the second thing out of his mouth!


A coupe of valuable lessons came from this... He had been trying it get me to let him make CF parts for it... But he finally acknowledged it was light enough already.... And I had warned him repeatedly that the car was FAR faster than it looks... Again he acknowleded that it would pass almost anything in the straights. He finally quit with the "WE should modify this and WE should get a bigger blower....."

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

That's great to hear Alex is ok. :thumbsup:

Speaking of carbon fibre body parts, it'll be interesting IMO to see if some company does a deal with James Shipka to sell copies of the '67 OLC front end in CF. :cool:

[glassman]

Great stuff you guys. Glad the "wad" wasn't too bad both for driverr and car. Any pics of the wadage? You know the old saying "if you want to play ya gotta pay..."

One of my dreams is driving Laguna. I will hopefully be prepped for t-hill by the end of winter.....we'll see...:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Carnage........

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7XvpxVx/1/XL/i-7XvpxVx-XL.jpg

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[GregWeld]

Dropping it as I write this at Hobaughs shop. It's in good hands now!!

[Rick D]

Hey at least you guys had a good time and Alex was not hurt!! It doesn't look to bad?? Rear body panel, bumper, and exhaust??

[GregWeld]

Hey at least you guys had a good time and Alex was not hurt!! It doesn't look to bad?? Rear body panel, bumper, and exhaust??




Maybe both quarters.... And a complete paint..

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Like the old hill climb guys use to say, the green backs will always take it in the rear but the veterans do it straight up front.

Glad it was a dead center squash instead of a devestating corner hit. I guess that's one way to get that Union jack off the back. LOL

Good to hear he got away better than the car did.

[Rick D]

Maybe both quarters.... And a complete paint..

That's why I never would do an estimate for customer from a picture!!:headspin:

[GregWeld]

That's why I never would do an estimate for customer from a picture!!:headspin:




It's not that bad but I'd think I'd like to paint it the opposite colors of the mustang. Body in titanium with yellow stripes. And that would be a good excuse. Hahahahahahaha


I'll wait to hear from Brian to see what happens.

[James OLC]

Greg,

That's great to hear Alex is ok. :thumbsup:

Speaking of carbon fibre body parts, it'll be interesting IMO to see if some company does a deal with James Shipka to sell copies of the '67 OLC front end in CF. :cool:

I think it's awesome that Greg and Alex are able to enjoy days like this together - hopefully one day my daughter and I will be able to do the same. Shame that it ended the way it did but I know from experience that Brian will take good care of the car. And as you said Greg... It's a good excuse (not that you needed one).

Skip - I spoke to some folks at SEMA about doing it, I'm just not sure I'm prepared to take the risk. Rather than mess up Greg's thread we can discuss in the OLC reinventing thread.

[Sieg]

Put Alex to work :D

http://www.hangar111.com/shop/463-474-thickbox/elise-s2-2-eleven-carbon-five-element-rear-diffuser.jpg

[GregWeld]

I think it's awesome that Greg and Alex are able to enjoy days like this together - hopefully one day my daughter and I will be able to do the same. Shame that it ended the way it did but I know from experience that Brian will take good care of the car. And as you said Greg... It's a good excuse (not that you needed one).

Skip - I spoke to some folks at SEMA about doing it, I'm just not sure I'm prepared to take the risk. Rather than mess up Greg's thread we can discuss in the OLC reinventing thread.





I'll call you when I get home James.

[GregWeld]

Put Alex to work :D

http://www.hangar111.com/shop/463-474-thickbox/elise-s2-2-eleven-carbon-five-element-rear-diffuser.jpg

$10,000 for molds for something I can already buy for $795 ?


I always say better lucky than smart but I'm not that dumb....

[96z28ss]

It's not that bad but I'd think I'd like to paint it the opposite colors of the mustang. Body in titanium with yellow stripes. And that would be a good excuse. Hahahahahahaha


I'll wait to hear from Brian to see what happens.

Wait you don't want to paint it like your iracing car purple and pink?

[Panteracer]

Greg
I wish I knew you guys were going to
be at Laguna. I would have figured out how
to get out of handholding. Glad everyone is ok
It would have been fun watching you guys tearing
it up at Laguna. See you guys there in March?
Wondering what they are going to do for noise limits?
I have been told no clubs have been offered 105 days
next year
The Pantera was kicked out of Sears a few years back
running 104/105 db but no meatball at Laguna earlier
this year on a 105 day

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

Wait you don't want to paint it like your iracing car purple and pink?





Holy Cow!! I'd forgotten about that paint scheme!! Maybe that's the perfect ticket --- it might keep Alex from wanting to drive it!!! PERFECT!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA





Greg
I wish I knew you guys were going to
be at Laguna. I would have figured out how
to get out of handholding. Glad everyone is ok
It would have been fun watching you guys tearing
it up at Laguna. See you guys there in March?
Wondering what they are going to do for noise limits?
I have been told no clubs have been offered 105 days
next year
The Pantera was kicked out of Sears a few years back
running 104/105 db but no meatball at Laguna earlier
this year on a 105 day

Panteracer Norcal Bob





Bob --- Yeah --- it would have been fun to have had you join us! It was a NorCal Shelby Club event. They've not only told us no "club" 105db days -- that clubs will be 90dbs!!! A stock Corvette can't make 90 !!

We had a good time --- but there was a lot of delays because there were LOTS -- as in OMG LOTS -- of off track excursions…. and a major track oiling… and it was an easy track to run out of talent real fast.


Charley brought out Mayhem and he only got two sessions in and both were more like half sessions… There was just too much carnage.


It's going to be fun to see what happens during the ARCS event -- because my guess is there's way too much horsepower and way too little talent… and I'm betting there's some pretty banged up stuff at the end of the day. I hope not -- but if this event was any indication -- OH MY.

[Panteracer]

I have been running with the Pantera guys
at Pahrump, Firebird and Reno Fernly for the last
8 years. No mufflers-straight 4" pipes on the 180's and
lots of track time. Race group is only 8-10 cars so lots
of room to run. I had to have another set of mufflers
to run Thunderhill and Sears. Laguna-forget it now
Unless we can get any 105 days

They are supposed to be race tracks
Cali events are beginning to suck

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

It's really sad Bob -- because that track is in such a beautiful spot -- and is such a fun track to run!


My guess is it's some new neighbor that has brought all manor of lawsuits and finally managed to find some obscure FEDERAL regulation on noise….


Personally -- if that's what it is -- I'd like to drag said person out into the Monterey surf and down to the bottom of a kelp bed… and see if they like the quiet of Davey Jones locker. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Not really…. but I hate that kind of stuff. One guy can ruin it for everybody.







I have been running with the Pantera guys
at Pahrump, Firebird and Reno Fernly for the last
8 years. No mufflers-straight 4" pipes on the 180's and
lots of track time. Race group is only 8-10 cars so lots
of room to run. I had to have another set of mufflers
to run Thunderhill and Sears. Laguna-forget it now
Unless we can get any 105 days

They are supposed to be race tracks
Cali events are beginning to suck

Panteracer

[GregWeld]

Well Brian has the rear off the Lotus --- and there's less damage than I had imagined…..

Ordered a header and new exhaust system for it… and trying to find the 5 element carbon fiber rear diffuser here in the US…

Then Terry McCarthy emailed me (his son is the, now 15 year old, that I let drive the Lotus and they're going to buy one and race it for this upcoming season)…. and we started chatting about Laguna Seca --- his exact comment --- "Laguna eats more cars than all the other tracks in California combined".

Good luck with that for the PT cars on street tires and big hp… and little seat time for many drivers…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


I'll post up pics of the carnage that Brain sent me as soon as I can figure out how to get them off my phone.

[DaleTx]

Well Brian has the rear off the Lotus --- and there's less damage than I had imagined…..


That's good news on the Lotus!

So how did the Mustang engine run after the repairs? Do you have any in car videos from the Mustang at Laguna Seca?

:cheers:

[Sieg]

his exact comment --- "Laguna eats more cars than all the other tracks in California combined".

Certainly you're not going to share that fact with Alex are you? :LOL:


Good luck with that for the PT cars on street tires and big hp… and little seat time for many drivers…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Check the ego and enjoy the track......especially in the morning sessions when the marine air lingers and the testosterone is flowing!


I'll post up pics of the carnage that Brain sent me as soon as I can figure out how to get them off my phone.
Open the pic, access the menu and forward via email to yourself........don't ask me why I know that. :sieg:

[GregWeld]

That's good news on the Lotus!

So how did the Mustang engine run after the repairs? Do you have any in car videos from the Mustang at Laguna Seca?

:cheers:



Dale -- I rarely take any video… and didn't this time either.


The Mustang ran great and drove great! I did one session with too low tire pressure… not sure what I did -- but man was it wiggly down the straight into turn 1 and 2…

Next session I got the pressures right ---and Mary and David told me to hit the "Z" in Mazda on the bridge and then brake after the crest… That worked out GREAT!!

There was quite a bit of traffic and way too many off tracks and delays - especially for a one day event -- but I may never drive there again - so all is good!

[GregWeld]

Certainly you're not going to share that fact with Alex are you? :LOL:


Hell no!! There is irreplaceable damage - and the car will cost 10's of 1,000's to repair and maybe never ever be right again!


Check the ego and enjoy the track......especially in the morning sessions when the marine air lingers and the testosterone is flowing!


Oh!... Dude --- this is going to be FUN!!! Right up until they run out of talent.


Open the pic, access the menu and forward via email to yourself........don't ask me why I know that. :sieg:


I can do the forward thing --- and I even know how to get there -- the problem is it will only forward as an "iMessage" and not email… and I want the pics in email.

[Sieg]

I can do the forward thing --- and I even know how to get there -- the problem is it will only forward as an "iMessage" and not email… and I want the pics in email.
Hopefully the iPhone 6 will fix that issue. :whistling:

[GregWeld]

People that plan to run Laguna Seca would do well to watch this video of a Lotus 2 Eleven MANY TIMES…. his lines are impeccable…

Good luck trying to get anywhere near his 1:33.656 lap time though…


Watch it full screen and in 1080….


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[GregWeld]

Here's another good video to watch if that race series is going to run Sonoma Raceway…

The BLUE 2 Eleven is for sale - with lots of extra parts - for $79K



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[GregWeld]

The cell phone pic of the damaged rear end on the poor little Lotus….




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Brians shop has it torn down already…


The good news is the intercooler seems to be fine - as does the gauge on the Accusump --- so the damage to the structure seems to be minor (as far as we know at this point).





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[Payton King]

I absolutely hate your new track toy got bruised. Very happy nothing happened to your son. I am sure it wiill be back on the road in no time.

Nice looking shots of the stang.

[GregWeld]

I absolutely hate your new track toy got bruised. Very happy nothing happened to your son. I am sure it wiill be back on the road in no time.

Nice looking shots of the stang.



Thanks Payton! The Lotus will be fine… and the worst part is… I don't think Alex even bruised his ego.

[ccracin]

and the worst part is… I don't think Alex even bruised his ego.

Like father like son! :poke:

I couldn't resist!

Any time there is a green flag and checkered flag, this can happen. We all know it, and do it anyway. Chics dig bruises!

Glad everyone is ok and had fun regardless!

[GregWeld]

Like father like son! :poke:

I couldn't resist!

Any time there is a green flag and checkered flag, this can happen. We all know it, and do it anyway. Chics dig bruises!

Glad everyone is ok and had fun regardless!



I hear ya Chad…. ME? And ego?? HA!!!


Not one that will fit in any oversized room that is…


On track days --- I think Charley told me early on…. "visor down - race on!"

So true!!

This is the first track day --- other than when I was following little Tommy around --- where I felt I was finally driving within my skill level. My problem usually comes when I'm on the track with nobody in front of me --- then it's harder to judge your speed and I tend to hammer it too hard. This time when nobody was around -- I actually slowed down and took my time to find the right lines rather than trying to "catch up" to someone way ahead. It was MUCH MORE relaxing --- and my guess is -- my times weren't far off of the hammer down times because I probably carried more speed overall. The "smooth/slow is fast" comes into play -- a lot less jamming the brakes and furious saves -- and a lot more just smooth turn ins and less wheel input.

I even said to Charley at Laguna -- "I think I'm finally learning".


Hey! Better late than never!!

[GregWeld]

POOR LITTLE LOTUS!! ALL NAKED AND ALONE…. hahahahahaha





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[fleetus macmullitz]

That is one lil 'Loteye...bare and unashamed.


:lol:

[Vegas69]

It's apparent who taught him how to drive.:lol:

[GregWeld]

It's apparent who taught him how to drive.:lol:



Yep! I called Bondurant and left him a message that I'd like a refund.

[Vegas69]

The good news is you can't teach drive but you can hope to dial it back a hair. :D

[Sieg]

Yep! I called Bondurant and left him a message that I'd like a refund.
:lmao:

The good news is you can't teach drive but you can hope to dial it back a hair. :D

:thumbsup:

[SSLance]

My problem usually comes when I'm on the track with nobody in front of me --- then it's harder to judge your speed and I tend to hammer it too hard.



During my very first PDX at Heartland Park Topeka in my Monte, during my second session I had a pretty good instructor who once he figured out I wasn't going to kill him, really started helping me find my way around the track the fast way. There was a local Corvette group out there with us and they were driving us crazy...super slow in the corners then drag racing us down every straight instead of pointing us by.

At one point I finally got past the last one for a while and took off down the back straight... They had the chicane setup that day and as we started to get close to it, the instructor said... "Don't forget to drive here..." I nodded my head and he said "It happens"...

I went in a little bit hot but just had to lift a bit, not loosing the car or anything...but I've never forgot him saying that and every time I've got out in front since, not following (chasing) anyone, his voice comes back to me. "Don't forget to drive here"



Sorry about the damage Greg but glad nobody got hurt.

[GregWeld]

During my very first PDX at Heartland Park Topeka in my Monte, during my second session I had a pretty good instructor who once he figured out I wasn't going to kill him, really started helping me find my way around the track the fast way. There was a local Corvette group out there with us and they were driving us crazy...super slow in the corners then drag racing us down every straight instead of pointing us by.

At one point I finally got past the last one for a while and took off down the back straight... They had the chicane setup that day and as we started to get close to it, the instructor said... "Don't forget to drive here..." I nodded my head and he said "It happens"...

I went in a little bit hot but just had to lift a bit, not loosing the car or anything...but I've never forgot him saying that and every time I've got out in front since, not following (chasing) anyone, his voice comes back to me. "Don't forget to drive here"



Sorry about the damage Greg but glad nobody got hurt.



Great advice Lance!


Yes -- the last thing you want to see is your kid or family getting hurt (let alone ANYONE else) when you're supposed to be out having fun. He was sore - but fine. The seat is good -- he was wearing my new carbon fiber helmet so had less head weight.. and was well strapped in.

[GregWeld]

The good news is you can't teach drive but you can hope to dial it back a hair. :D



I gave him the advice that Sieg gave me to tell him --- Just fold "it" in half….



I think he started out that way -- and the yellow group I put him in was pretty jammed up - but as the day went on - the group thinned out -- and I think the first time he had some room to run --- it ended up this way. Trust me when I repeat -- this little car is very quick… it's very deceiving because it's so small…
but with a 63% rear weight bias… that can stack up against a guy real quickly.

[Vegas69]

Send him the bill, that will knock his ego down a notch.:superhack:

[Track Junky]

I was communicating with Greg the day of the Laguna event. Greg sent me photos of the wreck. I laughed and then asked Greg "Whats the first thing Alex said to you after he wadded the car up?" Alex's answer....Will it buff out?
Gregs response....What turn did you lose talent in?

I was laughing my ass off. What a great line :lol:

[Jr]

Greg,
What kind of motor is in the lotus? Something with a roots blower?

[GregWeld]

Greg,
What kind of motor is in the lotus? Something with a roots blower?




Lotus uses TOYOTA motors ---- this one is a 2ZZ-GE 1.8 liter motor with a supercharger. It is rated at 252 hp.

It was used - without the supercharger in Corolla T Sport - and Celica GT-S and even the Pontiac Vibe…

When you add the supercharger -- it turns into a nice little motor that revs to the moon. It is completely stock motor - stock valve train etc… and is rev limited to 8500 rpms. The variable cam timing doesn't kick in until 6200 rpms and there's a HUGE difference in available power if you keep the rpms up.


Check out the cam when it goes from just cruising around to "race on" mode -- hahahahaha



Intake Exhaust
Duration Valve lift Duration Valve lift
Low Cam 228° 7.6mm (.299) 228° 7.6mm (.299)
High Cam 292° 11.2mm (.440 lift) 276° 10.0mm (.393)

[Sieg]

I was communicating with Greg the day of the Laguna event. Greg sent me photos of the wreck. I laughed and then asked Greg "Whats the first thing Alex said to you after he wadded the car up?" Alex's answer....Will it buff out?
Gregs response....What turn did you lose talent in?

I was laughing my ass off. What a great line :lol:

:D

GW - I'd consider having Brian save a box of goodies from the repair put them in a big black box labeled Lost Talent and wrap a big bow charcoal and yellow around it for a Christmas present. :secret:

:D

[Stuart Adams]

I was communicating with Greg the day of the Laguna event. Greg sent me photos of the wreck. I laughed and then asked Greg "Whats the first thing Alex said to you after he wadded the car up?" Alex's answer....Will it buff out?
Gregs response....What turn did you lose talent in?

I was laughing my ass off. What a great line :lol:

Damn that's funny.

[JKnight]

I had a very similar experience playing with some little Formula Ford cars down at the Indee Motorsports Park down in BFE AZ. I finally got a little open space after being held up by slow traffic all day, missed my line and overcooked the exit of turn 2 only to find myself looping a 180. Had to get hard on the brakes to not back into the tire-barrier. The instructor pulls up in the truck and says "what happened?", I raised my visor and said "just ran out of talent, that's all".

[GregWeld]

I had a very similar experience playing with some little Formula Ford cars down at the Indee Motorsports Park down in BFE AZ. I finally got a little open space after being held up by slow traffic all day, missed my line and overcooked the exit of turn 2 only to find myself looping a 180. Had to get hard on the brakes to not back into the tire-barrier. The instructor pulls up in the truck and says "what happened?", I raised my visor and said "just ran out of talent, that's all".




Yeah --- I've run Indee --- and your BFE (Wilcox is the actual address - a friend owns the track!) description is spot on! OMG you're out in the pucker weeds!


One of the things I've been trying to do -- is to run a bit off line once in awhile just to experiment a little --- since, in traffic - that (being off line) happens all the time. You get a point by -- you mash it -- and that corner is coming up quick and you're off line and completely on the wrong side of the track… Now you're all in -- and driving your ass off! Or when you are hauling azz and all of a sudden the guy in front of you is all over the brakes way earlier than you would be --- and it's whoa! baby….

It's one thing to run these RTTC type events -- were it's a single car on the track -- it's quite another when you have traffic!

PT cars have huge by wide tires -- street tires yes -- but good quality street tires -- and they have huge brakes…. Charley and I are running 245's…. he's still running drum rears --- and I have disc all around but they're tiny little two piston fronts and single rears…. You really notice the braking "deficiencies" of these cars -- even compared to my newer big brake street cars!

[David Pozzi]

Hell no!! There is irreplaceable damage - and the car will cost 10's of 1,000's to repair and maybe never ever be right again!





Oh!... Dude --- this is going to be FUN!!! Right up until they run out of talent.





I can do the forward thing --- and I even know how to get there -- the problem is it will only forward as an "iMessage" and not email… and I want the pics in email.

Greg, only select 3 photos to send at a time, the email option will then appear next to the imessage option. More than three at a time can't be sent via one email, you have to split them up.

[GregWeld]

Greg, only select 3 photos to send at a time, the email option will then appear next to the imessage option. More than three at a time can't be sent via one email, you have to split them up.



Yes David! I figured that out! It was a struggle - but I finally found the email option.


Thanks!!!

[intocarss]

Sorry your lil car got hurt. Glad everyone is ok

[GregWeld]

Sorry your lil car got hurt. Glad everyone is ok



Thanks Jerr!! It's what happens when you go on track…. we'll just hope it doesn't happen often.

Something had to go wrong… the Mustang was working perfectly! So you wouldn't want to have a perfect beautiful awesome week at Laguna Seca with your family and friends….


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

[GregWeld]

Brian received the header and "de-cat" pipe for the Lotus today… it's ceramic coated… the muffler I ordered is shipped and is done in Stainless Steel.


He's got the list all figured out for all the other parts needed…. and he'll order those up and get 'em all painted and stickered up. I just wanted to save him the hassle of trying to find "non-factory" parts… such as this exhaust and the 5 element carbon fiber diffuser panel I ordered from Sector 111.


All in all --- this little "wad" will be around 20 grand to fix. The exhaust is expensive (because - it's not a small block chevy!)… the carbon fiber diffuser isn't free either…. and by the time he orders the other stuff he needs and paints it and labor to disassemble and re-assemble… yeah… Merry Xmas to Alex.




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[Panteracer]

Greg,
when you guys come back down to pickup the
Lotus you need to stop by my shop and we can
do a Pizza. In Campbell, Ca not too far from Brian's shop
I finally figured out with Sieg's help
how to post a picture.. He will be telling me next
to get a better camera.. just off my phone now

Here was my 65 mustang Track car.. it may have been
at Laguna when you were there as I sold it to a Norcal
Shelby guy

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

Oh hell yeah! I know the car. Nice car!


Okay -- you're on for buying pizza…

[clill]

Ha ! That is the car I talked Chet into buying. He and Weld both hate me.

[GregWeld]

Ha ! That is the car I talked Chet into buying. He and Weld both hate me.




Isn't that funny Charley!


He posted that up and I'm like -- oh hell yeah - I know the car! I just didn't realize how well I knew it. I didn't recognize it as Chet's --- I just knew that I've seen it a bunch. My mind is mush.



WE only hate you when we are around you… or thinking of you… or fixing the crap you sold us (whether or not we bought it from you)… or when we get up in the morning… or go to bed at night.

[Sieg]

WE only hate you when we are around you… or thinking of you… or fixing the crap you sold us (whether or not we bought it from you)… or when we get up in the morning… or go to bed at night.
5 out of 5.........not too bad Charlie. :thumbsup:

[Panteracer]

Yes Chet. He is a big Chebby guy
He figured he can beat the the car up and
If something happened no big deal
since it was just a Mustang

He also bought my 69 camero shell
and was going to do a Donahue clone
Not sure how that project is going

That car was fun and easy to drive
The Pantera just was faster

Panteracer NorCal Bob

[clill]

I think I did pretty good talking a Chevy guy into buying a Ford. Then he needed a better trailer setup. Before that I talked him into having Brizio build his pickup. Before that I talked him into a 32 Ford 3 window. For the time being Chet is in the lead for money I have made him spend but when Greg gets his garage done that has to be big enough to hold the Renegade setup I got him going on then Greg will be in the lead.:G-Dub:

[Sieg]

And who said helping others spend their money isn't a sporting event. :lol:

[GregWeld]

I think I did pretty good talking a Chevy guy into buying a Ford. Then he needed a better trailer setup. Before that I talked him into having Brizio build his pickup. Before that I talked him into a 32 Ford 3 window. For the time being Chet is in the lead for money I have made him spend but when Greg gets his garage done that has to be big enough to hold the Renegade setup I got him going on then Greg will be in the lead.:G-Dub:




Do us all a favor and leave the country for awhile….

[Panteracer]

Reminds me of the guy who helped me set my Firebird up
20 years ago.. he would say do you want to cry about the
money or do you want to win.. I finally won an SCCA regional and Divisional
title autocrossing and a few Slush series.. so he was right but
pushed me hard to get it right the first time.. real old technology
as I was running Koni Oil shocks on the car.. I bought the car
for $300 and a week later paid $350 for the Koni Oil shocks.. my
wife thought I was crazy.. that was many moons ago.. I wish it
was that cheap to modify things to win now. I have $25k in the new
motor fixing it .. but better than putting an LS in it:waveflag:

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

Reminds me of the guy who helped me set my Firebird up
20 years ago.. he would say do you want to cry about the
money or do you want to win.. I finally won an SCCA regional and Divisional
title autocrossing and a few Slush series.. so he was right but
pushed me hard to get it right the first time.. real old technology
as I was running Koni Oil shocks on the car.. I bought the car
for $300 and a week later paid $350 for the Koni Oil shocks.. my
wife thought I was crazy.. that was many moons ago.. I wish it
was that cheap to modify things to win now. I have $25k in the new
motor fixing it .. but better than putting an LS in it:waveflag:

Panteracer Norcal Bob



That's what keeps the sport unattainable as far as track days are concerned… the costs are just prohibitive for many folks. But I see guys out at the track events that you know are struggling to be there - but they have the desire… and while they may not have the fancy paint job or trailer - some of 'em are hard to pass! I give kudos to those folks. They're out doing what they love.

[Panteracer]

Greg,
I hear you on the costs for many.. back when we were kids
we could get an old car and still get many parts from the Junkyard
Most of those cars are gone from any junkyard or picked over
With todays electronics and sensors.. it could cost $500-$700 for
a sensor just to keep the damn thing running

Kids have it tougher getting into Hot Rodding at todays prices

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

Greg,
I hear you on the costs for many.. back when we were kids
we could get an old car and still get many parts from the Junkyard
Most of those cars are gone from any junkyard or picked over
With todays electronics and sensors.. it could cost $500-$700 for
a sensor just to keep the damn thing running

Kids have it tougher getting into Hot Rodding at todays prices

Panteracer Norcal Bob


That's why I love the "rat rod" movement…. What I see there is the 20's and 30's somethings being able to use and build some skills and the camaraderie that comes with it.

[Panteracer]

Yes Rat rods.. love those cars
I mention it to a few of my buddies and
they think I am nuts.. Dad has a few old dumptrucks
sitting up at the ranch that I keep looking at
but I don't need any more projects now.. would
be great hauler conversion project:lostmarbles:

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

Yes Rat rods.. love those cars
I mention it to a few of my buddies and
they think I am nuts.. Dad has a few old dumptrucks
sitting up at the ranch that I keep looking at
but I don't need any more projects now.. would
be great hauler conversion project:lostmarbles:

Panteracer Norcal Bob



Oh hell yeah --- I've seen some of the best hauler/conversions… and if I had the time right now I think I'd be planning a project - but the next two years are tied up with building the new house here in Sun Valley - which means we are splitting our time between the old home and here… so between trying to keep the two track cars going - and that - I just don't want to start anything. That's also why the '33 is being built at Brizio's. If I started it right now - I'd be 65 by the time it was back on the ground. UGH!

[Panteracer]

You could always get a bunch of cattle around
the Sun Valley home.. my dad runs cattle and
every time I go to the ranch we have a project to do
Going there tomorrow to brand the new calves
...we got snowed out a couple of weeks back

Last time I was there instead of helping fix fences, gates
etc he had me work on the tractor, generator and welder
He never has been a mechanic and figured out since I am
always working on my cars he could get more mileage out
of me. Time to dust off my Cowboy hat

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

Brian Hobaugh texted me another car that's now behind the poor little Lotus at his shop -- seems with a similar fate....





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[Flash68]

Brian Hobaugh texted me another car that's now behind the poor little Lotus at his shop -- seems with a similar fate....





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Unforgiving track....

[Stuart Adams]

Kudos for keeping the 65 off the wall. The 65 I had was slippery as heck just going to the DMV and back..

E ticket ride for sure..

[GregWeld]

Kudos for keeping the 65 off the wall. The 65 I had was slippery as heck just going to the DMV and back..

E ticket ride for sure..




I've gotten better at driving the Mustang... and frankly a couple changes in alignment really made a big improvement.

The Lotus --- that was a greasy POS... I was not able to get any laps in at Laguna because I was letting my son drive it... so I have no idea if it was improved or not. I'm hoping that Brian will take it to the track and give me some feedback once he has it all back together.

[Sieg]

I'm hoping that Brian will take it to the track and give me some feedback once he has it all back together.That would be very interesting for everyone! :thumbsup:

[Stuart Adams]

That would be very interesting for everyone! :thumbsup:

Indeed.

[Stuart Adams]

For my skills I would want a sticky corvette, better technology makes me look good alot better than I am, HAHA. Just like my SLDR camera!!!

[GregWeld]

For my skills I would want a sticky corvette, better technology makes me look good alot better than I am, HAHA. Just like my SLDR camera!!!



Personally --- I think that's part of the fun of track days -- driving the old stuff with all it's foibles... skinny little tires -- too much power for the tires etc... I know a lot of guys are all about their track times --- whereas I'm just enjoying the seat time.

[Stuart Adams]

Personally --- I think that's part of the fun of track days -- driving the old stuff with all it's foibles... skinny little tires -- too much power for the tires etc... I know a lot of guys are all about their track times --- whereas I'm just enjoying the seat time.

I agree. It's all about the fun in the seat.

[Flash68]

Personally --- I think that's part of the fun of track days -- driving the old stuff with all it's foibles... skinny little tires -- too much power for the tires etc... I know a lot of guys are all about their track times --- whereas I'm just enjoying the seat time.

I'm with ya here. Plus there are soooo many late model Vettes out on track days. Get lost in the shuffle there.

It's fun to try to make these old junkers do something nice and keep up with those Vettes. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'm with ya here. Plus there are soooo many late model Vettes out on track days. Get lost in the shuffle there.

It's fun to try to make these old junkers do something nice and keep up with those Vettes. :thumbsup:

From junkers to gold carated junkers.., uh 'vintage racecars'.


:D

[Sieg]

It's fun to try to make these old junkers do something nice and keep up with those Vettes. :thumbsup:
And it's more fun to make those Vette pilots drive past their talent level chasing your old junker. :rules:

[GregWeld]

I found some interesting information for the Top Track lap times at Spring Mountain Motorsports.... We'll see if you guys can figure out why I'd find this interesting..... LOL




Top 25 SMMP 2.2 mile Lap Times
1:43.052 (Brent Bauman; 07 Exige S; Yoko Slicks; 212whp/~2070lbs w/driver; Nov 09)
1:43.343 (Andy Kern; Lotus 211; R6; 220whp/1860lbs w/driver; APR 10; video)
1:48.2xx (Eddie Park; 05 Elise; R888; 227whp/~2000lbs; Nov 09)
1:52.978 (Thomas Barrett; Corvette Specialty C6 Vette; A6; 400hp/~3700lbs; Oct 09)


Top 25 SMMP 2.3 mile Lap Times
1:55.76x (AJ Latteri; 06 Exige; Yok Slick; hp?/~2200lbs; Oct 08; Video)


Top 25 SMMP 2.7 mile Lap Times
1:56.867 (Andy Kern; Lotus 211; R6; 220whp/1860lbs w/driver; APR 10; Video)
2:01.99x (Manly Kao; 05 Elise; R888; 165whp/~1900lbs; Oct 08; Video)


Top 30 SMMP 3.1 mile Lap Times
2:13.057 (Billy Johnson; FXMD Turbo NSX; Yoko Slicks; ~600whp/~2700lbs with driver; Sep 09)
2:23.98x (Brent Bauman; Jack's 2010 211; Yoko Slicks; 240whp/~1885lbs w/driver; Mar 10)
2:26.264 (Andy Kern; Lotus 211; Yoko A005/S01; 220whp/1,840lbs w/driver; Oct 10; Video)
2:27.25x (Jack Fried; Lotus 211; Yok slicks; 255hp/~1860lbs w/driver; May 10; Video)

[Sieg]

Only two cars have over 240 whp?

[GregWeld]

Only two cars have over 240 whp?



Well actually with more digging around -- I haven't been able to find any OFFICIAL track times for SMMP... You'd think that would be easy info to find out. This came up in a search - and it's a website where you post your own times - so it's really only that those particular guys found the site and posted to it. But those times - from what I can find - are very very fast.

I would think the Radical SR8's could wipe up on the little Lotus - and both Andy Kern and Jack Fried (as you know) have them. So I would think if they could run better in the Radicals - they'd have posted that up?

[Sieg]

I would have thought the 8 cylinder Radical's would have been quicker too. They certainly look like the real deal. The RX8's are in the 1500 lb. category with 400+ hp.

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[Panteracer]

The first time our Pantera group ran with the Radicals in Pahrump was
a real awaking... I am running in our race group and all of
a sudden I see this yellow flash in my mirror and then gone
I look to the outside of the corner and in the marbles and the
guy was passing me and gone.... it took a few times out
to figure that what is flashing in my mirror does not effect
me because by the time I figured it out he has passed me
and gone:animated_bye_bye_em

Very fast and light and to drive them in the marbles is really something else

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[GregWeld]

A guy I met - that is/was the Lotus Cup Unlimited Champ in his Lotus 2 Eleven - has a garage there at SMMP - and also has a Radical... Sieg and I met up with him when we were there for OUSCI... I think he said he can pull 2.5 G's lateral in the Radical.

That's some serious Lateral G's... <get it? Pun intended>






The first time our Pantera group ran with the Radicals in Pahrump was
a real awaking... I am running in our race group and all of
a sudden I see this yellow flash in my mirror and then gone
I look to the outside of the corner and in the marbles and the
guy was passing me and gone.... it took a few times out
to figure that what is flashing in my mirror does not effect
me because by the time I figured it out he has passed me
and gone:animated_bye_bye_em

Very fast and light and to drive them in the marbles is really something else

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[Sieg]

This one to be exact! :thumbsup:

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[onevoice]

I would think the Radical SR8's could wipe up on the little Lotus

And it would. It is very hard to compare times between cars/tracks/drivers and come out with meaningful numbers, but one source I did find is from Top Gears test track times:

Radical SR3 1:19.1
Lotus Elise 1:28.2

A 211 would be considerably faster than a Elise, but it is essentially comparing a race car with something derived from a street car.

I love that you have the 211, and look forward to some comparisons between it and the Mustang. I bet in the long run, the Lotus will be faster and CHEAPER to run than the Mustang.

[GregWeld]

The emperor has new clothes!!! Can't thank Brian Hobaugh enough for his EXCELLENT service ---- and even more so -- just for taking this job on!!!





All naked and drowned rat looking with all the body removed....



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And beautifully re-bodied, as if it never happened!







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[Stuart Adams]

Looks better than new.

[Sieg]

Needs one of Mary's stickers on the back. :D

[GregWeld]

Needs one of Mary's stickers on the back. :D



It NEEDS someone that knows how to drive!

[Sieg]

It NEEDS someone that knows how to drive!

Poor kid..........wish my Dad was still alive to abuse me in similar fashion. Didn't like it too much at the time but I sure miss it now. :thumbsup: :D

[GregWeld]

I'm tellin' ya --- Hobaugh is as good at fixing busted up junk as he is at driving high speed!!!



Getting the poor little Lotus all gussied up!!



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[syborg tt]

car looks awesome

[GregWeld]

I asked Brian to leave off the "2 Eleven" that goes on the sides so that I can put a big white Rondel with my permanent numbers in that space -- rather than have that over the "2 Eleven" decals...


Now HE (Brian) -- just needs to take it to the track and beat on it!!!!






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[GregWeld]

There is supposed to be a chrome "LOTUS" and a British flag decal on the rear --- but I asked Brian to leave those off --- and put a "STICK YOU BITCH" decal on instead....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sieg]

Car looks Great GW :thumbsup:

Brian get that buzzbox out on the track and give us a report!

[73CPCAMARO]

There is supposed to be a chrome "LOTUS" and a British flag decal on the rear --- but I asked Brian to leave those off --- and put a "STICK YOU BITCH" decal on instead....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am hoping for a special delivery from Mary this week :D

[GregWeld]

I am hoping for a special delivery from Mary this week :D




Oh gawd Brian --- you know her --- she'll bring PINK!! LOL


You two need to come up with dates and a plan to have both of you drive the snot out of that little POS and see what it needs --- different tire compounds? Tire pressures?? More wing? Or maybe me just getting more skill..... I haven't wrecked it yet - but it was sure tail happy when I drove it.

[Sieg]

Greg - You haven't driven it yet with the Hoosiers yet right?

[GregWeld]

Greg - You haven't driven it yet with the Hoosiers yet right?



Right! I haven't driven it at all since I made MANY changes to the car. Different alignment specs (race specs) - Tires - Bushings - Motor mounts - wing attitude...


I'm thinking that the R6 compound for this light of a car is wrong... and that I should be trying the A6 compound -- and the Yokohama A005 in their SOFT compound. I have three sets of wheels for this car --- so plan to run all three sets of tires to find the right ones.

[Sieg]

R6 is harder of the two? Could they work for real hot afternoon track temp days where the softer A6 could get greasy?

[GregWeld]

R6 is harder of the two? Could they work for real hot afternoon track temp days where the softer A6 could get greasy?



Well -- that's the question. I'm new to all of this -- I don't have a years long background with this stuff like I do say - welding... or bending tubes. So I'm reading - talking - emailing - gathering opinions... Your point is a great one... one day and one temp with one set of tires could be completely different on another day... different track etc. I think maybe this is why real race teams have a cadre of people sorting all that stuff out. I don't know .00000000001% about any of it.

My thinking is to have Ron Sutton come for a weekend track session or more... and get me started about how to think - what to think about - how to start to get a data base etc. For instance -- Thunderhill is a high speed track -- Laguna is a more technical track as is Sonoma... so maybe the R6's would build heat at Thunderhill but maybe take too long to build heat at Sonoma... These are things I'm not familiar with.

I know about investing - someone else knows about racing.... I need Racing 102. I need to be taught some very very basic info so that I might be able to make half a decent choice of tire - pressures - etc. Since we're not racing - there's no money involved - no trophies to polish.... I just want to have a car handle "better" which makes it more fun to drive... I'm not looking to shave 2 seconds off my track time.

I know when a car handles like poo --- how to correct it is what I don't know.

[mdprovee]

Looks Gorgous!!!

Let me know when you will be doing a track day in the area, I would like to see this baby in action.

[Stuart Adams]

Looks sticky..

[GregWeld]

Looks Gorgous!!!

Let me know when you will be doing a track day in the area, I would like to see this baby in action.



Mike -- Next up is NorCal Shelby Spring Fling or whatever they call it... At Thunderhill.

May 3 and 4th. I'll bring both cars.

[GregWeld]

Looks sticky..




You know Stuart --- I wish it was...


Set up correctly they are just faster than heck... and in the hands of a capable driver.... I'm not. So all I'm trying to do is to get it "better" than it was. It was horrible.... so won't take much to improve.

Slicks --- right air pressure.... the alignment changes... will hopefully really help.

[Stuart Adams]

You know Stuart --- I wish it was...


Set up correctly they are just faster than heck... and in the hands of a capable driver.... I'm not. So all I'm trying to do is to get it "better" than it was. It was horrible.... so won't take much to improve.

Slicks --- right air pressure.... the alignment changes... will hopefully really help.

Be careful.

[intocarss]

She looks great

[GregWeld]

Someone very special brought a big helping hand via a special YELLOW (to match the car) sticker that has been thoughtfully adhered to the rear of the little Lotus.... I'm positive it will help!!


Anyone care to guess?

[Flash68]

Someone very special brought a big helping hand via a special YELLOW (to match the car) sticker that has been thoughtfully adhered to the rear of the little Lotus.... I'm positive it will help!!


Anyone care to guess?

Mary P's famous sticker?

[GregWeld]

Mary P's famous sticker?









Even at 4000 rpms at 50 mph --- Dave's brain is working it's magic!!! WINNER!!!










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[GregWeld]

The new corporate logo on the back --- and the new 5 element carbon fiber diffuser should be all she needs to be a track eating monster.....


Oh --- maybe some talent would help too... but that's unlikely to happen.










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[Sieg]

Mary P's famous sticker?

When his blood alcohol level gets above .20 his talent/whit meter is bouncing off the rev limiter. :lol:

[Flash68]

When his blood alcohol level gets above .20 his talent/whit meter is bouncing off the rev limiter. :lol:

Thanks. I think. :computer:

[camcojb]

The new corporate logo on the back --- and the new 5 element carbon fiber diffuser should be all she needs to be a track eating monster.....


Oh --- maybe some talent would help too... but that's unlikely to happen.










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I know it matches the angle of that curved panel, but it'd drive me nuts to not have it level (horizontal). :D

[Sieg]

Thanks. I think. :computer:

:waveflag: :D

Just jealous that you obviously had more fun than I did last night.......or week for that matter. :thumbsup:

[clill]

The POS has landed

[Flash68]

What an ugly little thing.

[GregWeld]

The POS has landed




Love ya buddy!!



I hated to ask because I know that's a nasty drive down and back -- but you know I appreciate it.

[GregWeld]

What an ugly little thing.





Charley says it best....



You guys suck.

[intocarss]

What an ugly little thing. That's not a very nice thing to say about your friend :snapout:

YOU SAY YOU'RE SORRY! :guns:

[intocarss]

The POS has landedIt's in a museum now?

[Track Junky]

It's in a museum now?

Pretty Much :stirthepot:

[DBasher]

Hey Greg, I read through the 69 pages on the Mustang and didn't see any suspension information. I've read you're running some Maier equipment, looks like leafs and a panhard bar in the rear. Could you explain what's going on under the car, it obviously works well.

Thanks
Dan

[GregWeld]

Hey Greg, I read through the 69 pages on the Mustang and didn't see any suspension information. I've read you're running some Maier equipment, looks like leafs and a panhard bar in the rear. Could you explain what's going on under the car, it obviously works well.

Thanks
Dan




Dan --


There's some funny looking suspension and stuff under there... other than that - I haven't a clue

[DBasher]

Bummer.

:action-smiley-027:
Dan

[GregWeld]

Bummer.

:action-smiley-027:
Dan


It's at my place in Bellevue -- I'm at my place in Sun Valley - so I can't go look even. And I really have no idea what's what with it... I just change the oil after each motor blows up -- the suspension is fine -- so other than nut and bolting it - I don't look. It's just "stuff".

[DBasher]

Gotcha. Maybe it'd be easier if I went over and poked around a lil, the hide-a-key still under the fake rock?

I'll keep looking, if it comes up in conversation with Jack or Charlie I'd be interested to know what works.

Thanks
Dan

[GregWeld]

Gotcha. Maybe it'd be easier if I went over and poked around a lil, the hide-a-key still under the fake rock?

I'll keep looking, if it comes up in conversation with Jack or Charlie I'd be interested to know what works.

Thanks
Dan



Charley is like me -- doubt he'd have a clue... Maybe Jack will remember. I'll email and ask him.

[GregWeld]

Jack just replied that he used TCP - Total Control Products - which is the race division of Chris Alston.... But I know for a fact that there is Maier Racing stuff on there as well because his name is the first thing you see when poking your head under the car...

Vari Shocks is what I remember seeing and someone else commenting on...


And the front engine - shock tower bracing looks like what is shown on the TCP website... but I also know it has tubular A arms.... and bump steer adjusters


I combed my photos thinking that I might have a couple of pics of the suspension but I don't...

[DBasher]

I appreciate the information, can't really go wrong with either of those names.

I did see a few under car photos in the thread, just the rear though. I'll keep digging.

Thanks again
Dan

[Jack Maurer]

Jack just replied that he used TCP - Total Control Products - which is the race division of Chris Alston.... But I know for a fact that there is Maier Racing stuff on there as well because his name is the first thing you see when poking your head under the car...

Vari Shocks is what I remember seeing and someone else commenting on...


And the front engine - shock tower bracing looks like what is shown on the TCP website... but I also know it has tubular A arms.... and bump steer adjusters


I combed my photos thinking that I might have a couple of pics of the suspension but I don't...

The front is TCP and the rear was redone by Maeco Motorsports who may have used Maier stuff. If I was going to build another Mustang, I would use all the parts provided by Cortex Racing; second choice, if the car was also going to be for street, I would go with all DSE.

[DBasher]

Thank you both.

I remember the Cortex Mustang, he was running Optima the same year as us. Something about no windows and snow on the drive from LasVegas! Street car, oh sure.

I'll look into D$E, quality stuff for sure.

:cheers:
Dan

[GregWeld]

The front is TCP and the rear was redone by Maeco Motorsports who may have used Maier stuff. If I was going to build another Mustang, I would use all the parts provided by Cortex Racing; second choice, if the car was also going to be for street, I would go with all DSE.




If you've ever watched their little red Mustang rip the track -- I agree! I'd also be using an LS motor... I'd just buy an LS3 525hp and I'd leave it bone stock and just run it til it quit. More than enough power for what we're doing. And cheap relative to running all this custom built stuff.

[syborg tt]

If and when I do a mustang it will have the DSE stuff on it.

[GregWeld]

Here Dan --- Cortex "Execution" Mustang at Sonoma....

A "PS" here... I rode with my buddy Chet... in his Mustang... can't really tell you how his car is set up - but let's just say it's set up "well" for what it is - but I don't think it's got too much special going on. He's fast and I've yet to see him spin or do anything weird at the track and we've done a few together now... and HE could not keep up with a GT3 car despite many laps behind it... each lap it got further and further away. I was blown away by how well he did keep up though.


Then you watch how easy this was and it's an OMG....






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[GregWeld]

If and when I do a mustang it will have the DSE stuff on it.



I'm sure they're sitting on pins and needles waiting for your call....



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Come on Marty -- I thought you were a died in the wool Camaro guy!

[clill]

525 hp stock LS3 ?

[GregWeld]

525 hp stock LS3 ?

Straight from GM... With a carb. Cheap power - plenty of torque... lightweight.

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/circle-track-ct-525-525.html

I should say 'carbureted' -- not "With a carb" - as that made it sound like it comes with a carb... I just meant it's not EFI.

[DBasher]

Great video, hookin and bookin!

I need to focus on the K.I.S.S. approach. Lots of fancy pants high end parts available for these but I would think that a lot of the track cars are running basic proven equipment.

Maier is looking like the way to go for me, plus he's got cool stickers.
The LS doesn't sound like a bad idea, I hear they're putting them in show cars now! :thumbsup:

Dan

[GregWeld]

Great video, hookin and bookin!

I need to focus on the K.I.S.S. approach. Lots of fancy pants high end parts available for these but I would think that a lot of the track cars are running basic proven equipment.

Maier is looking like the way to go for me, plus he's got cool stickers.
The LS doesn't sound like a bad idea, I hear they're putting them in show cars now! :thumbsup:

Dan



Dan -- I think if you took a ride with Charley - or me - or Chet - or Pete.... you'd be pretty shocked at how well simple stuff on skinny race tires can "hook and book". Build these for the street - with fatter tires (although 200 TW etc) and they'd be similar I think for handling. We're only using 245 X 15 tires -- and the street guys are running 335's. So we're running a tread width of 9.6" vs a 335 X 30 X 18... or 12.7"

[DBasher]

This is what I was hoping to hear, real cars that are done and running around the track/streets. I love all the high end stuff but also realize that its not needed to go out and have a good time. That track car of yours and Bryce's lil Falcon are perfect examples and the route I'm headed.

Dan

[GregWeld]

Dan ---


I can hook you up with Pierre and let you guys into the shed remotely - if you really want to look over the Mustang.

I'll be back over there just for a day or so before I head south to Kaliphorkneeyea again with the rig - then over to Texas - so will be out and about for most of March. So just let me know if you want to see for yourself what's under it.

[DBasher]

I really appreciate that Greg and I'm sorry we never hooked up last time. If you give me a day or two heads up I wouldn't mind meeting you as well.

I'm also trying to put together Laguna, the guys are running the Charger again and I need to get outta town.

Let me know when you plan to head over.

Dan

[Panteracer]

Chet's car originally had global west parts in front
with their shocks Lincoln brakes out front and sat real high

I had custom alignment strip everything off changed springs,shocks
put the overrides on it and had them set it as low as they could
Also put the baier brakes out front
I missed the first track event because I was sick so I auto crossed the next week
I remember Mike Maier looking under it while I was working the course
Not much of an auto cross car but on the track it was so easy to drive

It was so low it would scrape the headers on the rumble strips at the start of thunderhill's front straight. I finally put a set of shorties on it

At 2810lbs it would go almost anywhere on the track
When I got better running it I could hear the shock towers creaking
Welded them later:).

I only had 455 hp and could run in the top of the Shelby blue group with no problems. I finally scattered the motor and then had the 530hp 331 built
I never did track it before I sold it to Chet. It was a great car to run but
not like my Pantera and my Firebird felt neglected

Glad to see it is being used like it should be
I really had fun and learned how to track in that car
but I really am not a mustang guy

Panteracer NorCal Bob

I hope to fire the bird up again after installing the new rocker shaft system
Tomorrow

[GregWeld]

Bob --- I can tell you -- having ridden with Chet many sessions == that he drives it like he stole it. He LOVES that car.... so it went to a good home.

[Panteracer]

Greg
Do you know if Chet is working on the
69 camero shell I sold him. Since he is
really a GM guy he wanted to do a Penske
Trans am clone. I have not been to any NorCal
Shelby events lately so I do not see him

He told me that if he bent the mustang up
no big deal since he is a GM guy. That is why he drives
like he stole it

I have three friends that keep telling me they
wish they would have bought that car

Panteracer NorCal Bob

[GregWeld]

Greg
Do you know if Chet is working on the
69 camero shell I sold him. Since he is
really a GM guy he wanted to do a Penske
Trans am clone. I have not been to any NorCal
Shelby events lately so I do not see him

He told me that if he bent the mustang up
no big deal since he is a GM guy. That is why he drives
like he stole it

I have three friends that keep telling me they
wish they would have bought that car

Panteracer NorCal Bob






I sent him an email and asked for an update....

[Chassisworks]

Greg
Do you know if Chet is working on the
69 camero shell I sold him.

Does Chet happen to be in the hobby business?

[GregWeld]

Does Chet happen to be in the hobby business?



Yes Carl he is..... Been selling him some parts have ya?? LOL

[Chassisworks]

Yes Carl he is..... Been selling him some parts have ya?? LOL

No comment. :knock:

I'm pretty sure I rode shotgun with Kevin Sittner in Chet's Mustang at Spring Sprint last year.

Is the Mustang in question?
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[GregWeld]

That's it Carl --- Kevin is his race tech! And a great guy.

[Panteracer]

Yes that is Chet's car.. I sold it to him a few
years back.. he has a hobby store in Sacto and
is a big GM guy... he has some cool stuff.. I delivered
the car to his place and got a tour.. really nice guy

I had 11 really good track days in that car until I scattered the back two
pistons all over the front straight

Panteracer Norcal Bob

[Bryce]

This is what I was hoping to hear, real cars that are done and running around the track/streets. I love all the high end stuff but also realize that its not needed to go out and have a good time. That track car of yours and Bryce's lil Falcon are perfect examples and the route I'm headed.

Dan

thanks Dan

[GregWeld]

Hey Basher! I have the Muttstang up on the lift finally --- so took these for you...


It'll be on for a few days while I wait for new brake rotors and pads etc....




I'm sure yours is going to look just like this... right? LOL





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[DBasher]

Minus the rack and pinion and.....Verishocks! I'm just waiting for the Weld blow out sale! Maybe you should fly Sutton up and get cracking on the upgrades before Sonoma, I'd hate to see you try and go fast with those old worn out parts! :lol:

What exactly is the brake set up there? I've got a SSBC kit on the front, old schooly 4 piston. The rear 9" has got some big honkin drums.

I'm working tomorrow for a bit, should be done by 1:00, you going to be around?

:cheers:
Dan

[DBasher]

Ive been picking up a few things here and there...just need to find some free time!

[GregWeld]

Minus the rack and pinion and.....Verishocks! I'm just waiting for the Weld blow out sale! Maybe you should fly Sutton up and get cracking on the upgrades before Sonoma, I'd hate to see you try and go fast with those old worn out parts! :lol:

What exactly is the brake set up there? I've got a SSBC kit on the front, old schooly 4 piston. The rear 9" has got some big honkin drums.

I'm working tomorrow for a bit, should be done by 1:00, you going to be around?

:cheers:
Dan



Yeah I'll be around -- Rudy coming up to get his Camaro - I'm done with that temporary fix --- and then I have the Mustang on the rack...

[Cris@JCG]

Is that a brake line running thru the transmission tunnel?



Hey Basher! I have the Muttstang up on the lift finally --- so took these for you...


It'll be on for a few days while I wait for new brake rotors and pads etc....




I'm sure yours is going to look just like this... right? LOL





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[Jr]

Greg,
Do you mind the exhaust being dumped next to the rear?

[GregWeld]

Is that a brake line running thru the transmission tunnel?



Yes it is! I think I had the work done at JCG

[GregWeld]

Greg,
Do you mind the exhaust being dumped next to the rear?



Not sure of why you'd ask.... as in -- because of the exhaust being near something? Or because of noise?


With a helmet on in a car with no windows -- no -- the sound doesn't bother me at all - in fact I love it.


There is no exhaust or anything like that on any parts of the car AFT of the dumps... But this car runs 110 octane Race Gas... and burns really clean

[Ron in SoCal]

Yes it is! I think I had the work done at JCG

That'll get the text train started again :lol:

[Jr]

Not sure of why you'd ask.... as in -- because of the exhaust being near something? Or because of noise?


With a helmet on in a car with no windows -- no -- the sound doesn't bother me at all - in fact I love it.


There is no exhaust or anything like that on any parts of the car AFT of the dumps... But this car runs 110 octane Race Gas... and burns really clean

I asked because of the heat next to the rear end. While racing, I assume, the exhaust would get very hot and having an additional heat source next to the rear...

[GregWeld]

I asked because of the heat next to the rear end. While racing, I assume, the exhaust would get very hot and having an additional heat source next to the rear...

When racing -- the car is mostly always in motion - so there's lots of airflow under the car.

[Chassisworks]

I didn't realize this car had a bunch of our stuff on it; no wonder it works so well!
I see our pedal covers, subframe connectors, tower brace kit, our power rack and pinion and the Pro-Pump kit. Looks like it has the early design front lower control arms and strut rods -probably the complete coilover system, right? What shocks does it have in the front?

[GregWeld]

I didn't realize this car had a bunch of our stuff on it; no wonder it works so well!
I see our pedal covers, subframe connectors, tower brace kit, our power rack and pinion and the Pro-Pump kit. Looks like it has the early design front lower control arms and strut rods -probably the complete coilover system, right? What shocks does it have in the front?




....and that would be....... VariShocks - double adjustable.



Are we buds for life or what!!!!!.......

[Chassisworks]

....and that would be....... VariShocks - double adjustable.


Are we buds for life or what!!!!!.......


:excited: When are we getting our matching tattoos?

[DBasher]

What size OD is the cage, 1 1/2" or 1 3/4"?

[GregWeld]

:excited: When are we getting our matching tattoos?




Perfect -- Mine is going to say "I LOVE GREG" --- yours should be a perfect match right?

[GregWeld]

What size OD is the cage, 1 1/2" or 1 3/4"?



That's not how it works..... that's not how any of this works....



Just because you asked --- I got off my butt and walked out to the shop and snapped some super duper iPhone pics just for you.



Here's the roll cage and it's layout in case you decide to copy it....or for anyone that wants to copy it.


Note the lack of down bars in the trunk!




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[Ron in SoCal]

^ I get it! :lol: :cheers:

[DBasher]

Alright, so 1.633 is 41.49mm which is between 1 5/8" and 1 11/16", just so we're clear....

So let's just say, for example, a guy was trying to do something nice for someone and order a helmet and steering wheel hook. They only come in 1 1/2" or 1 3/4", what do you do? The 1 1/2" will fit but the bracket will have a gap...the 1 3/4" will be loose unless the bar is wrapped. I don't have the means to open up the 1 1/2" to fit snug, besides that I don't want to put that much effort into it!

WWWD?

[GregWeld]

Alright, so 1.633 is 41.49mm which is between 1 5/8" and 1 11/16", just so we're clear....

So let's just say, for example, a guy was trying to do something nice for someone and order a helmet and steering wheel hook. They only come in 1 1/2" or 1 3/4", what do you do? The 1 1/2" will fit but the bracket will have a gap...the 1 3/4" will be loose unless the bar is wrapped. I don't have the means to open up the 1 1/2" to fit snug, besides that I don't want to put that much effort into it!

WWWD?


I would never do anything nice for anyone - so have never had that problem....



But it's a dang good question!



A guy could get the larger diameter and then use some sheet rubber (which I have already) to make the gap grippy... Yippeeeeee

[JB64CHEVELLE]

What about that famous gap spray to fill the gap..:mock:

[Sieg]

:excited: When are we getting our matching tattoos?

Perfect -- Mine is going to say "I LOVE GREG" --- yours should be a perfect match right?

Just get little Camel's inked on your top of your big toe.........that will give both of you years of entertainment. :D

[intocarss]

I was looking at the safety requirements for the Northern California Shelby Club Thunderhill event... and noticed that I had to have cotton pants (long) in Yellow, Red and Green.... Also a long sleeve cotton shirt - same colors..... and a 4 point harness in Green....

Immediately I'm on the horn with Rodger Lee asking why I'd have to have a seat belt in Green - like WTF difference that would make?? And were was I going to find cotton pants in Yellow, Red and Green.... look like a GD Eyetallian flag out there! Sheesh!!!

Then I'm emailing Charley about the color of the harness.....

RING RING -- Cell phone is going.... belly laughter on the other end so I know it's Charley.... Calling me to tell me what a dumbass newb I am....

Rodger probably was going to call but he had to go home and get clean shorts.... he probably laughed so hard...

:rolleyes: :willy: :woot:REALLY???? Thank god they didn't tell you that you need to run a diaper (oil pan blanket) :sieg: :sieg: :rofl: :rofl: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hello:

[GregWeld]

REALLY???? Thank god they didn't tell you that you need to run a diaper (oil pan blanket) :sieg: :sieg: :rofl: :rofl: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :hello:




True story buddy -- sad story, but true.


For the life of me I could not understand these ridiculous requirements!

[MX145]

Thanks for bringing that up again! Made for a good morning laugh! I probably would have done the same thing.

[GregWeld]

Thanks for bringing that up again! Made for a good morning laugh! I probably would have done the same thing.



It was the semantics..... I swear!


I read the rules 5 times -- they never said "Green GROUP" or "Yellow GROUP"....
And I didn't even know about run groups at that time.

Regardless -- the story is true and I still laugh.


A few weeks later -- I walk in to Brizio's shop and the guy behind the counter is telling me how hard he laughed at this little 'snafu'... GD Charley had called them and spilled the beans. Just shoot me....

[Sieg]

A few weeks later -- I walk in to Brizio's shop and the guy behind the counter is telling me how hard he laughed at this little 'snafu'... GD Charley had called them and spilled the beans. Just shoot me....Charlie is a special kind of special. :lol:

[GregWeld]

I know you guys think I don't do much.... but besides the brakes -- new tires -- it gets an oil change and filter after EVERY event....

This time I will also repack the inner and outer wheel bearings... and of course - nut and bolt everything I can get to.




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[syborg tt]

Well you do have a pretty big garage with some cool tools in it so I figured you actually worked on your cars.

[GregWeld]

Well you do have a pretty big garage with some cool tools in it so I figured you actually worked on your cars.



Seems lately that I only work on "others" cars Marty.


Did a quickie fuel tank extension project for my brother in laws Camaro last weekend -- and made him a different fuel line...

I didn't have time to build him a whole new tank from scratch -- so he'll just have to wait til the new shed is set up this winter. In the meantime - he can cruise this summer without being so worried about where the next gas station is.





That POR 15 is tough stuff!!!!





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Needed to open up the bottom anyway - so cut out the old fuel pick up tubes





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Punched it with some new holes....






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The tank was so warped there was not a single "square" or flat panel on it.... UGH --- What a lot of work to try to get the new extended area to at least appear to be flat and straight!






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STUPID TANK!! Wouldn't stand on it's own..... SO a few clamps and some legs and now I could do a little TIG work.





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I had nowhere for my hands to rest --- so had to bend up the torch and weld running the bead towards me.... OH MY -- this is easy for the girls that do welding day in and day out -- but for those of us that weld sporadically -- it's work!





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26 sticks of fill later....... Thank god for TIG FINGERS!!! They really do help with the heat!







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[syborg tt]

I have no clue how you can weld an old gas tank. It has always scares the heck out of me. We had a kid at a local repair
shop die last summer when he tried to fix a leaky tank. It exploded and fortunately it killed him immediately and he didn't suffer.


ps I will be bringing my car over soon

[GregWeld]

I have no clue how you can weld an old gas tank. It has always scares the heck out of me. We had a kid at a local repair
shop die last summer when he tried to fix a leaky tank. It exploded and fortunately it killed him immediately and he didn't suffer.


ps I will be bringing my car over soon




He - unfortunately is up for The Darwin Award....



Welding on gas tanks is super easy --- and I don't do ANYTHING that isn't safe!



First you have to wash them real well with a strong mix of some kind of soap and water.... Gas is an OIL based product -- so you can't just rinse with water like some morons try to do.... I use Simple Green -- and it's a strong solution. TWICE.

Then I use the SNIFF TEST.... Still smell gassy? Wash it again!


Then I rinse two or three times - until there's no soapy water....


Then -- Here's the trick! I put DRY ICE in the tank -- as it dissolves -- it turns into an inert gas -- Carbon Dioxide (CO2).... NO OXYGEN - NO IGNITION. It's the FUMES that kill ya! (Gas fumes and air). I displace all the air in the tank with the CO2.

I'd use a back gas of Argon... but that's expensive for a "home guy".... as you'd have to displace the air in a pretty large space. I can do this cheaply ---- AND I CAN SEE IT WORKING --- when I use Dry Ice.

[syborg tt]

That is a great way of doing it. When I convert to efi I will bring you the tank

He - unfortunately is up for The Darwin Award....



Welding on gas tanks is super easy --- and I don't do ANYTHING that isn't safe!



First you have to wash them real well with a strong mix of some kind of soap and water.... Gas is an OIL based product -- so you can't just rinse with water like some morons try to do.... I use Simple Green -- and it's a strong solution. TWICE.

Then I use the SNIFF TEST.... Still smell gassy? Wash it again!


Then I rinse two or three times - until there's no soapy water....


Then -- Here's the trick! I put DRY ICE in the tank -- as it dissolves -- it turns into an inert gas -- Carbon Dioxide (CO2).... NO OXYGEN - NO IGNITION. It's the FUMES that kill ya! (Gas fumes and air). I displace all the air in the tank with the CO2.

I'd use a back gas of Argon... but that's expensive for a "home guy".... as you'd have to displace the air in a pretty large space. I can do this cheaply ---- AND I CAN SEE IT WORKING --- when I use Dry Ice.

[GregWeld]

Well - Thanks to DBasher.... I have a new race item that will officially make the Little Mustang way faster than Gaetano's Cheby....




That steering wheel HOOK == Now that's an official RACE CAR ITEM!!! Thanks Dan!







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[DBasher]

:thumbsup:
It only took a few hours after work to make, hope it fits well....haha!

Oh and Happy Birthday!

Yeeeeehaaaaw!

:D
Dan

[Track Junky]

Nice add Greg. I put my helmet on the passenger seat and then my steering wheel on top of my helmet. Gives me that unorganized feeling. I need one of those. :thumbsup:

[glassman]

So, why would that Vette you were looking at pass sound (or would it?) and not the Lotus? me no understandee.
Not to mention some of the NASCAR's up there racing, am i missing something from the Lotus or do they just not like it up there?

[GregWeld]

So, why would that Vette you were looking at pass sound (or would it?) and not the Lotus? me no understandee.
Not to mention some of the NASCAR's up there racing, am i missing something from the Lotus or do they just not like it up there?

That ain't all you're missing dude.....



They love the Lotus. Just not when you aim the exhaust at the meter. And no the Vette wouldn't make sound.

[Chassisworks]

My two cents, not that anyone asked...

The screwed up thing about Laguna is that while there is a sound limit, you can PAY for a loud day and gain a few more decibels. Apparently the locals care about noise levels, but if you're willing to pay to inconvenience their ears, well that's okay.

All of my experience on track is with bikes, but I have several hundred laps around Laguna on probably a dozen different bikes. The only bike I haven't blown sound on was a KLR650 that I brought for putting around town. The weather plays a big part. I have known people with bone stock 600s to blow the sound meter; it's the airbox noise. But a few times I have gone by on my race bike at full tilt and it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm betting the sound meter is the reason that they set up a slalom section between 5 and 6 for the USCA event. Low RPM is low(er) noise. Kinda ingenious in my opinion.