1973 Camaro - Autocross / Street Car project

[73CPCAMARO]

Hello Lateral-g gang. My name is Brian Hobaugh and I am in the process of building an all out autocross 2nd gen Camaro that will also be able to be driven on the street. I have autocrossed for 24 years in Nor Cal, mostly in a 1965 Corvette that is on the Lateral-g home page. My father, Steve, and I have teamed up ever since I could drive at 16. He started autocrossing in a 74 Camaro and then a 72 Z28. In 1984 he purchased the 1965 Corvette we have been running ever since. For many years we have wanted to build a nationally competitive CP Camaro for SCCA Solo II. I finally decided not too long ago to go for it and build my dream car. I purchased the starter car from Mary Pozzi and have been going to town on it hard lately. Hope to have it completed and running by summer 2010.
Maier Racing and Mike Maier is building the chassis. Maier racing is know for its long history of Mustang fiberglass and suspension parts. Mike is amazing talented fabricator and driver (multi national champion autocross in CP) and has expanded his projects to Chevrolet Camaro's and Corvettes suspension and cage work. Almost all the suspension will be custom made pieces to obtain optimal geometry. With the help of multi national autocross champion Frank Stagnaro and my father, we hope to complete a Camaro that will look good and handle even better. Because of the rules in C Prepared, we have to keep certain structural parts in the car that would be nice to completely remove or change, such as, the rear frame rails and change out the stock subframe. The car must way 3100 lbs when we are done. Our goal is to have to add a few hundred pounds in specific areas of the car for optimum balance.

Short list of goodies going on the car:

600 HP LS3
4spd G-Force Transmission with Long linkage
9" Alum housing 3rd member and full floater rear end
Custom 3 link rear suspension
JRI Coil Overs
Wilwood Brakes
Tilton pedals
Woodward Steering column
18" x 12" rear and 17" x 12" front CCW wheels
Fiberglass front end parts and deck lid and bumpers
Maier Racing custom cage and suspension.

www.maierracing.com


I will post progress photos as we go. Here is a drawing I completed to show what the final product should look like.

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Here is what we started with.

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After we got the car home from Mary's, we took it all apart.

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After we removed all the bolt on items, we started cutting away.

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Brian Hobaugh

1965 Corvette
1973 Camaro

[73CPCAMARO]

After the sheet metal was cut away, the cage and rear suspension structure gets built by Mike Maier of Maier Racing

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The cage is tucked up as tight as possible to the body.

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[Bowtieracing]

Looks good!! Whats next?

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a few more shots showing the progress of the rear cage and rear suspension and 3-link set up.

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Since the rails can not be removed, only portions for clearance issues, the remaining rail is gusseted to the cage structure and capped.

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[73CPCAMARO]

Here are some shots showing Maier Racing joining the cage to the body on the rockers and A and B -pillars.

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[KPC67]

Hi Brian,
thanks for showing us your car, this thing is going to be awesome!

[73CPCAMARO]

The stock front subframe has to be used in the CP in order to not have a weight penalty. Modifications can be made to make it better, so Mike Maier and Frank Stagnaro have done a lot of work to make the most of it. All the front suspension will be made at Maier Racing. Stock car steering parts will be used. Custom spindles are fabricated to achieve our desired geometry.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/CAMAROPHOTOS043.jpg

All the seams on the subframe got welded for added reinforcement.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/CAMAROPHOTOS044-1.jpg

The front wheel base was measured out and the suspension was plotted out.

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[hellrace]

Impressed :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Nice looking build. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[70rs]

Nice looking build. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

X2^^^^ As a fellow second gen owner I am very interested in this build. Thanks for sharing.:cheers:

[73CPCAMARO]

With the car being so low, less than 3" off the ground, and the drive shaft and rear end higher than stock, we had to fabricate the transmission tunnel.

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Mike fabricated a new cover for the transmission that will be removable.

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[tony byram]

Im locked in like radar, on this build. As you can see in my sig,Im a second generation owner too, so this will be interesting and a learning experiance for me. This is great keep those pics coming, great job!:thumbsup: :hail:

[GHOSTDANCER]

Subscribed :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are photos of the G-Force Transmission, Competition Gears 3rd member, G Force crossmember, and Edelbrock LS headers.

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[Ravenous70]

gonna watch this, love seeing someone doing a 2nd gen build, tired of seeing 1st gen builds, seems everyone is doing those lately. Keep up the good work:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Awesome build. Thanks for posting.

[acohoon]

Just went through the whole thread. Your progress is awesome to watch but now all I can think of is what this thing will look like when its done!

[coolwelder62]

Awsome build!!.The greatest cars in the world are race cars THAT you drive on THE street.Keep the photos coming.Love it.:hail: :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Awsome build!!.The greatest cars in the world are race cars THAT you drive on THE street.Keep the photos coming.Love it.:hail: :thumbsup:

Thanks! My thought too. I figured that with all the time and money spent on this car, why not be able to DRIVE IT to a car show or get together. This car will have all the running lights and have the appearance of a street car with a full race car under its clothes.

[srh3trinity]

I like threads like this. Great fabrication and lots of pictures, it is like instant gratification and you can tell from these first few posts that this car is going to be a great build.

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a few shots of the Maier Racing fabricated spindles and upper and lower control arms.

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[MtotheIKEo]

:cool: Pretty sure I have seen your vette at some events.

What hubs are you using for the front?

[73CPCAMARO]

:cool: Pretty sure I have seen your vette at some events.

What hubs are you using for the front?

I am using Speedway Engineering hubs on the front and rear. The are proven quality products and Maier Racing has used them a lot.

My Dad and I have run autocross events all over Nor Cal for 25 years and have traveled to Kansas a few times for the National Championship. In the 90's we ran all over the western US.

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[David Pozzi]

Brian,
Great project! Can't wait to see it run! Thanks for posting.
David

[MtotheIKEo]

I am using Speedway Engineering hubs on the front and rear. The are proven quality products and Maier Racing has used them a lot.

My Dad and I have run autocross events all over Nor Cal for 25 years and have traveled to Kansas a few times for the National Championship. In the 90's we ran all over the western US.

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I went to Castle a lot when they still used the big lot with Fresno SCCA and AAS. The BSPV vettes are the best looking cars out there.

[WSSix]

I love this build. Keep the pictures coming please!

[tones2SS]

Great work. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a few more shots of the transmission tunnel fabrication. We made it removable so if we ever need to access the transmission, removing the cover makes it very easy.

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[Mean 69]

Brian, this is a fantastic looking project so far! Maier is obviously well known in the Mustang world, neat to see that it translates over to the Chev's too. I really like the approach of the front spindles, in a previous life we had intentions of developing a very similar piece but scrapped the idea, looking back I wish I wouldn't have changed my mind. These look to be fab'd out of 3/16" plate cold roll steel? Very nice, very functional.

In the CP rule set, using the front frame is required to prevent a weight penalty, but obviously you can change the suspension. How about the steering gear? Could you, if you chose, run a rack in place of the box and not get hit with a weight penalty?

Sure I'll have other questions, but have to run. Really awesome, thanks for sharing the progress.

Mark

[BLACKJACK]

awesome fab work:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, this is a fantastic looking project so far! Maier is obviously well known in the Mustang world, neat to see that it translates over to the Chev's too. I really like the approach of the front spindles, in a previous life we had intentions of developing a very similar piece but scrapped the idea, looking back I wish I wouldn't have changed my mind. These look to be fab'd out of 3/16" plate cold roll steel? Very nice, very functional.

In the CP rule set, using the front frame is required to prevent a weight penalty, but obviously you can change the suspension. How about the steering gear? Could you, if you chose, run a rack in place of the box and not get hit with a weight penalty?

Sure I'll have other questions, but have to run. Really awesome, thanks for sharing the progress.

Mark

Maier does great work. These are one off spindles and we have a lot of time into them. It would have been very easy to purchase off the shelf spindles, but there are certain things we wanted and the only way to get them was to make them ourselves.

As far as the subframe, it is legal to change it out to another like the DSE or others, but you would then have a 10% weight penalty. Not worth it in our case. For most, that would be the way to go. Much more cost effective!

With the steering, we tossed that around also. After much discussion and pooling all of our driving experience with many similar cars, we decided to go with the stock type steering but with quality, race proven products. Reliability, part availability, and most important, driver feel were considered. We all picked stock design over rack and pinion. Others may have a different opinion, but we are very confident with our choice.

[Mean 69]

Brian, one other thing that I noted is what appears to be the Howe drag link. I have one that I have played with too, but a caution. The unit I have is designed specifically for the circle track cars, and as such has different left to right steering angle output/Ackerman. Not designed for both directions, I'd take a good look at that. Shame, it is a REALLY cool and functional piece. I can check the part number on the one I have, but it is the one listed in their catalog of two years ago, I don't "think" they have changed it?

Heads-up.

Mark

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, one other thing that I noted is what appears to be the Howe drag link. I have one that I have played with too, but a caution. The unit I have is designed specifically for the circle track cars, and as such has different left to right steering angle output/Ackerman. Not designed for both directions, I'd take a good look at that. Shame, it is a REALLY cool and functional piece. I can check the part number on the one I have, but it is the one listed in their catalog of two years ago, I don't "think" they have changed it?

Heads-up.

Mark

Mark,

You are 100% correct. We found out after we installed all the steering parts that the center link is for those folks that like to only turn left. We ended on modifying the Howe link so the Ackerman was the same left to right. We were scratching our heads for a little at first. Thanks for the heads up!

Brian

[speedjohnston]

Well I'm glad I read this thread because I just installed the howe centerlink, tie rod ends etc on my second gen. If you don't mind me asking how did you modify the link to fix the ackerman?

[66LS7]

I also found out about the different center link by working on a friends circle track car. I really think this is a great project.:thumbsup:



Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[73CPCAMARO]

Well I'm glad I read this thread because I just installed the howe centerlink, tie rod ends etc on my second gen. If you don't mind me asking how did you modify the link to fix the ackerman?

We ended up removing the bend they put in the center link and straightening the pitman arm. Everything seems to measure out good now.

You can see in the first photo the bend and reinforcement Howe adds. We removed that in the second and third photo.

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[speedjohnston]

Thanks Brian. Not sure if or how bad my problem will be because I am using a different pitman and idler arm. That may reposition things differently. I don't want to hijack your thread so I'll maybe post elsewhere on the weekend with some pics and ask some opinions. Thanks for taking the time to show me what you did. :cheers:

[Nine Ball]

You have a very talented builder, thanks for sharing the progress photos!

Tony

[Mean 69]

We ended up removing the bend they put in the center link and straightening the pitman arm. Everything seems to measure out good now.

Fantastic!!!! Great idea!!!!! I hadn't even thought about modifying this one, I threw in the towel when I found the issue and decided I'd have to build one from scratch, well done guys! You made my day.

Cheers,
Mark

EDIT: I also noticed the pitman arm, the issue was probably exaggerated in my measurement due to using Howe's billet pitman arm, it's really short. I have since bought a stock replacement, I don't recall it having the bend like your photo, I'll have to take a look at that.

Oh, and by the way, I agree with you 10,000% regarding the weight penalty for an aftermarket frame. There is no question your car will be faster with your modified front end and 300 pounds less than it would be with the best aftermarket frame out there.

[rstone]

Wondering what kind of scrub dimension you get with your modified spindle?
What is your front wheel offset?
If you don't mind me asking.

Thank You
Ron Stone

[73CPCAMARO]

Wondering what kind of scrub dimension you get with your modified spindle?
What is your front wheel offset?
If you don't mind me asking.

Thank You
Ron Stone

Ron,
I hope you understand, but since this car is being built for competition, I do not want to get into some specific numbers on this thread. My goal is to show some cool work being done to a 2nd gen Camaro, but not give away all of our secrets. Can't give it all away.

Thanks,
Brian

[68protouring454]

its a great build for sure. But how is telling a guy your scrub radius, a secret?

keep up the killer fab work.

[73CPCAMARO]

its a great build for sure. But how is telling a guy your scrub radius, a secret?

keep up the killer fab work.

Our goal is for close to zero scrub and we got what we wanted. We want to keep some feel in the steering.

I don't want to upset anyone, I just don't want to start giving out specs on the car as far as the suspension goes. One thing can lead to another and then all of a sudden our competition knows everything.

Thanks!
Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a couple shots of the firewall. It will get smoothed off and insulated with Lizard Skin later.

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[rstone]

Not a problem at all. I completely understand your position. You told me what I was looking for.

Thank You
Ron Stone

[LSXZ28]

Incredible build! Can't wait to see it done!

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are some photos with the front wheels/tires. The wheel / tire combo will be 18" x 12" rear wheels with 345-35-18 DOT race tires. The fronts are 17" x 12" with 335-35-17 DOT race tires. Either Hoosier A6 or Kuhmo 710's will be used. The wheels are CCW. Our goal was is to get as much tire on the ground as possible and not have a wide car. In the end, we should not need to flare the fenders or quarter panels out much, if at all. We will need to go up with some body work for clearance. The final product will try to keep the original shape of the car as much as possible.

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[70rs]

That is a serious amount of tire up front. Wow! The rears on my 70 are smaller than those! I will be running 315-18s out back.

[Cris@JCG]

This is one serious 2nd gen Camaro.. I like all the work that is being done to it & the fact that is being built for competition racing :thumbsup:

[Kendall Burleson]

The stock front subframe has to be used in the CP in order to not have a weight penalty. Modifications can be made to make it better, so Mike Maier and Frank Stagnaro have done a lot of work to make the most of it. All the front suspension will be made at Maier Racing. Stock car steering parts will be used. Custom spindles are fabricated to achieve our desired geometry.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/CAMAROPHOTOS043.jpg

All the seams on the subframe got welded for added reinforcement.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/CAMAROPHOTOS044-1.jpg

The front wheel base was measured out and the suspension was plotted out.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0851-2.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0856.jpg

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http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0985.jpgWhat material are the upright made of and will you have to heat treat them after all of the tig welding to nomalize were is the spell check at! them before you run them great setup,love it:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Amazing build guys. This is going to be one mean machine.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

What material are the upright made of and will you have to heat treat them after all of the tig welding to nomalize were is the spell check at! them before you run them great setup,love it:thumbsup: :thumbsup:


The uprights are made of 3/16" cold rolled steel. No plans to heat treat at this point.

Thanks for the complement. We are happy with the results so far.

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a couple photos of the front bars for the cage getting made. The bars were made just before we started filling in the holes in the fire wall. To be installed later.


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[gracin7]

Hey Brian,why the square tube in the rear cage,never seen that in my circle track world? And why is the 3rd so far over to the side,figured for lefts and rights center mounted would be more neutral. Nice fab work.

[73CPCAMARO]

Hey Brian,why the square tube in the rear cage,never seen that in my circle track world? And why is the 3rd so far over to the side,figured for lefts and rights center mounted would be more neutral. Nice fab work.

I will give you the condensed version of why Maier used square tubing and the offset 3rd link.

Both are used in the latest GT series type cars. The square tubing is used in the rear section for a few reasons. It is more rigid than round tubing for tension and compression. If it does fail, it is at a higher rate than round tubing. But, if it fails, it fails bad. Round tubing is more forgiving and will bend much more before it completely fails, that is why the passenger compartment uses round tubing. Also, square tubing is easier to fabricate in tight areas and when the paneling is installed, it will give a flat surface.

As far as the offset 3rd link, it is also that way modern GT cars are built. Circle track cars use a centered 3rd link, and road cars use an offset. On acceleration, if you were to put scales under the rear wheels, the weights would be different from left to right. Offsetting the upper link evens out the weight distrubution on acceleration. Since packaging is not a real concern on this car, it was the way to go. I am not putting in rear seats. Paneling will cover up all of Maiers nice work.

Here is a picture of a newer Corvette GT car that shows the round tubing in the passenger compartment and square tubing in the rear.
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[gracin7]

Thanks Brian for your explaination,we too have offset the 3rd link,but were only going left,just figured the amount that it is favored would have to create unequal traction from left to right,thanks again not questioning wheather your right or wrong,just picking your brain.And I too figure if it works in a proven vehicle where the builders have much more technoligy then it will work for me!!!

[Josh@KYTP]

Amazing work on the 2nd Gen guys. Makes me wish I had kept my 70 Camaro. Cant wait to see the finished product.

[jjarky]

Man, that thing will be killer! Giant roller skate. I assume you will have to flare the front fenders and not run inners?

[jjarky]

What brand aluminum seat is that pictured in the car?

[73CPCAMARO]

What brand aluminum seat is that pictured in the car?

The car will have matching Kirkey road race seats for the driver and passenger.

[73CPCAMARO]

Man, that thing will be killer! Giant roller skate. I assume you will have to flare the front fenders and not run inners?

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0899-1.jpg

The front fenders will need to be flared more in the up direction. I am going to try to keep the fenders as stock looking as possible. We have not put the fenders on yet to see how big they will need to be. Nothing will be on the inside. The fenders are fiberglass.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0896-1.jpg

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are some updated shots of the front structure.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1105.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1382.jpg

[rlplive]

Wow, I am completely in awe of this car. Nice work. Man I want to race!

[Lemons]

Brian,

The car is looking absolutely killer. It's gonna look wicked with all that tire underneath it. I like the route you have taken with the suspension. I have thought about doing something similar with my 73.

Good luck, I can't wait to see more.

Chris

[Desert68]

The two pieces of blue tape in the bottom picture. Could you please explain the setup with the steel plate and then the tubing running forward? The plate is attached to the firewall and the tubing is attached to the subframe? I'm having a little trouble picturing it in my mind and my 2nd gen is stored a distance from my home. Incredible build. Things such as the spindle fabrication is just jaw dropping impressive to me.

[73CPCAMARO]

The two pieces of blue tape in the bottom picture. Could you please explain the setup with the steel plate and then the tubing running forward? The plate is attached to the firewall and the tubing is attached to the subframe? I'm having a little trouble picturing it in my mind and my 2nd gen is stored a distance from my home. Incredible build. Things such as the spindle fabrication is just jaw dropping impressive to me.

Thanks for the nice words. Here is a photo from the inside. Hopefully, this will answer your question. Maier is buidling the cage to make the car as rigid as possible. The plate is just covering up the hole in the firewall.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0303-1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1382.jpg

[G-Body]

Oh my now this is a project wow i loveeeeeeeee it awesome fab work
What a balls to the wall build :thumbsup:

[byndbad914]

The square tubing is used in the rear section for a few reasons. It is more rigid than round tubing for tension and compression. If it does fail, it is at a higher rate than round tubing.
Who on Earth told you that? I am not saying it is bad to use square tubing, but what you just stated is based on something other than engineering... generally speaking a square is one of the worst shapes, hence why you see a lot of round columns for compression members like bridges across the nation and engineers use words like "triangulate" - make sure to make every square a triangle at some point. Not too many square submarines out there :)

There are certainly reasons to use square tubing and you did state one of them in terms of easy to attach panels to by having a flat surface to rivet into and riveting the panels in and really making them carry shear adds a lot of rigidity. Also people have learned that after you bend a tube it removes the rigidity it so it is better to cut and weld the corner than bend it making sq tubing easier to work with that way as well.

That said, dig the car and am definitely subscribed!

[73CPCAMARO]

I am not a mechanical engineer, so I am not a great source to debate the strength differences. I am going with the knowledge and expertise of my builder.

[WSSix]

In pure tension or pure compression, a square tube should have a higher load capacity than round because there's more metal in the cross sectional area if the diameter and width match. ie 2in square tube has more are than 2in round. Obviously, wall thickness would need to be the same as well.

That's simply sigma = force/area. How is that not right? Are there other forces at play possibly? From my knowledge as that of a mech eng student, round is used primarily because it has the same characteristics regardless of which direction the force is applied ie it's the same on all "sides". A rectangle or square depends on where the force is applied or how the tube is oriented.

Where am I messing up?

[byndbad914]

now at least the discussion begins to involve sizing of tubing and orientation of load discussions. It isn't just "square is better than round" sort of thing. Additionally consider weight when you use 2x2 box v. 2" round, etc and the efficiency that comes from actually doing P/A calcs, buckling if that is critical, etc. Like I said, using square tubing isn't bad, but a general statement like square tubing is better than round is a too general IMO and shouldn't be assumed some sort of rule of thumb. Depending on the length of the section then torsional rigidity also comes into play.

If you now consider all your formulas and design by weight and not just size (which should be a primary consideration in any race car even one with a 3100lb weight reqm't) then you won't use 2" square over 2" round.

Now in some instances like framing out a car it can be beneficial to use rectangular tubing, oriented correctly to have a narrow beam fitment where you need to drop seats between beams v. round tube that is fatter than that orientation requires... if I could have gotten rect chromoly in the size I calc'd I wanted in my racecar I would have boxed my cockpit with it but was stuck using round (I used Finite Element Analysis software to lay out all of my stuff to compare stresses, torsional rigidity, etc in design before I had my chassis built).

Back on topic, again diggin' the car so keep the pix coming!

[MtotheIKEo]

Who on Earth told you that? I am not saying it is bad to use square tubing, but what you just stated is based on something other than engineering... generally speaking a square is one of the worst shapes, hence why you see a lot of round columns for compression members like bridges across the nation and engineers use words like "triangulate" - make sure to make every square a triangle at some point. Not too many square submarines out there :)


Actually, a square beam is stronger in bending and as a simple beam, using engineering equations. Both or these failure modes are based on the members moment of inertia, and a square tube has a higher value.

And triangulation refers to frame nodes and tube intersections, not the material shape.

[73CPCAMARO]

Thank you.

[byndbad914]

I just deleted my response actually - no hijack ;)

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are photos showing the front structure near completion. The cross bars are still to be installed.

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[70rs]

Very nice Brian!:hail:

[Sandbagger]

Is the subframe welded solid to the body ? Is it still possible to square the frame up with the body ? may be a better way of wording it
Sorry if it was already discusssed .

[73CPCAMARO]

Is the subframe welded solid to the body ? Is it still possible to square the frame up with the body ? may be a better way of wording it
Sorry if it was already discusssed .

The subframe is bolted to the body at the normal location with metal bushings instead of rubber. The bottom of the car has a subframe connector set up that is all welded together, tying it in with the cage assembly. Everything was squared up already.

[tones2SS]

Very nice work guys!!:thumbsup:

["Swoosh"]

wow awesome fab work :hail:

[66LS7]

This project keeps getting better eveytime I look at it!:cheers:



Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[syborg tt]

subscribed - Awesome project.

[zbugger]

This thing looks like it's coming together real nice. Let me know when and where you'll be racing and I'll be out to check it out in person. I can't wait to see it done.

[WSSix]

So that's how you get these cars to sit so low and still have a functioning suspension. You just move the upper shock mount. Very nice.

I still dream about getting my TA like four inches off the ground and functional. Still can't figure out the rear though.

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are photos showing the cross bars installed. The front end is just about done. Small details are left on the front, but for the most part, the front end structure is done.



The brace over the engine is removable.


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[66LS7]

This thing keeps getting better everytime we get new pics!:thumbsup:



Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

["Swoosh"]

very nice :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

very nice :thumbsup:

You said it!!:thumbsup:

[70rs]

Ditto! Very nice. I am having a lot of fun watching this one!:cheers:

[73CPCAMARO]

Thanks for the kind words. Here a few more shots of the front end getting completed.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0383.jpg

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[ScotI]

What are the plans for drivetrain maint? Seems like those bars are going to be a pain in someones arse....

[73CPCAMARO]

What are the plans for drivetrain maint? Seems like those bars are going to be a pain in someones arse....

The center bar is removable. With that removed and the fact that the inner fenders will not be installed, access will be no problem.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0796.jpg

[buickfunnycar.com]

Very impressive Brian:hail: ,can't wait to see this one completed,hope to see you run @ Marina which is 1.5 miles from my home.

[ScotI]

The center bar is removable. With that removed and the fact that the inner fenders will not be installed, access will be no problem.
I wondered but wasn't sure.... It looked like it was a removeable piece but the more I looked @ the ends I thought they might be welded. Slick build!

[73CPCAMARO]

Here is a better photo to show the removable bar. If you look where it attaches to the forward bars down the small pipe, you can see the top of the bolt that holds it on.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0387-1.jpg

[rvorous]

Do you have any update/photos w/ the front fenders installed? I'm dying to see how those monster meats fit in the fender well.

[73CPCAMARO]

Do you have any update/photos w/ the front fenders installed? I'm dying to see how those monster meats fit in the fender well.

I wish! Not there yet. Maybe in about a month or so. I have the panels but we will be doing the flares and body work once all the structure and suspension is completed. Mike Maier at Maier Racing is working on the final front and rear suspension and aluminum paneling now. Lots of small details. I will post photos all the way through the build process.

[796spdbu]

AWSOME!! thats about all I can say..Im really digging the fact that you want to make it some what streetable!

[73CPCAMARO]

Growing up in the 70's and watching my Dad autocross a 74 Camaro and then this 72 Z28, I always wanted one of my own. Here is a photo of the car I grew up with but never got to drive as my Dad sold it and purchased the 65 Corvette we currently race. This photo was from about 1978 - 1980. Street car during the week and race car on the weekends. Notice the trailer in the back that he would haul the race tires in to get to the event. Those are 15" x 10" wheels with Goodyear slicks. A little over 13" of rubber on each corner.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/Dads72Camaro.jpg

My car will not be this color combo, but it will have the same rally stripes combined to one stripe on over the roof as tribute to this car. Plus I think it looks cool.

[70rs]

^^^Very cool! I have a 70 RS and love the look of your dads old car. Great work on yours so far, thanks for posting so much detail. Keep it coming!!:thumbsup:

[66LS7]

Cool vintage pic of your dads old auto-x Camaro, keep the pics of yours coming.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:




Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[thedude327]

Those are 15" x 10" wheels with Goodyear slicks. A little over 13" of rubber on each corner.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/Dads72Camaro.jpg

My car will not be this color combo, but it will have the same rally stripes combined to one stripe on over the roof as tribute to this car. Plus I think it looks cool.

Nice pic of your Dad's old ride. Boy does that thing have some rubber under it!! It's great that your going with a similar paint scheme too. Have you picked out what colors your going with?

Paul
:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Nice pic of your Dad's old ride. Boy does that thing have some rubber under it!! It's great that your going with a similar paint scheme too. Have you picked out what colors your going with?

Paul
:thumbsup:

This is what I am leaning towards now. Hugger orange that has been lighted up a little with a solid black stripe with an outline stripe. Similar to the Dale Earnhart Jr Camaro DSE built, but the the stripe on the roof. My Dad's camaro had the single stripe over 35 years ago and I always liked it. His friend that he raced against had a 70 1/2 that was orange and black stripes, and I always liked that car also.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/orangeblackroof1.jpg

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[73CPCAMARO]

The Edelbrock headers are nice pieces, but since the car is so low, we could not have the header so low. We had to shorten the tube length and slightly change the angle of the collectors. We also changed the flange.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0289.jpg

You can see that before we modified the headers, they were the lowest part of the car.

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After they were modified, they are now about equal to the frame.


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[70rs]

Tucked up nice and tight now!:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Nice job on the headers, its a shame they don't come like that already.

[73CPCAMARO]

Nice job on the headers, its a shame they don't come like that already.

Because the car is so low and the transmission and rear end are tucked up much higher than stock, the angle of the drivetrain makes the headers worse. They are probably good for most applications. Don't want to rip on Edelbrock. Modifiying their quality headers was still much cheaper than making them from scratch.

[silver63c10]

Awesome, awesome project. The tie-in with your dad's car just makes everything that much better. Thanks for sharing, I'll definitely be watching for updates.

[XcYZ]

Awesome, awesome project. The tie-in with your dad's car just makes everything that much better. Thanks for sharing, I'll definitely be watching for updates.


I agree, an awesome project, and the tie-in with your Dad's 72 makes it just that much cooler.

[73CPCAMARO]

The exhaust system is just about complete. The edelbrock headers go into an all stainless steel pipe with a custom built cross over. There are two Magnaflow straight thru mufflers and then go into one pipe. After they merge into one pipe, the exhaust then travels thru a large straight thru Borla muffler. The goal is to get good flow and keep the car fairly quiet. The exhaust will exit out the quarter panel, between the door and wheel opening. I will show photos of that later. The tunnel had to be expanded for the exhaust.



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[73CPCAMARO]

These are photo of the installed fuel cell. We cut out part of the rusted out floor. A new floor section will be installed later.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0134.jpg

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[70rs]

I understand needing the clearance for the driveshaft and why the exhaust runs over it like that, but why choose the side exit and have to go through all of that in the first place? Or why the two into one and have to mess with going over the driveshaft when it could have stayed as two pipes and exit both sides of the car? I am not complaining, just curious about the thinking behind it.

[73CPCAMARO]

I understand needing the clearance for the driveshaft and why the exhaust runs over it like that, but why choose the side exit and have to go through all of that in the first place? Or why the two into one and have to mess with going over the driveshaft when it could have stayed as two pipes and exit both sides of the car? I am not complaining, just curious about the thinking behind it.

It all comes down to the lack of room. The car is going to be so low, it all had to stay up. Packaging wise, there is simply no room to get past the rear end. The passenger side would have been nice to exit, but it has the offset third link and the battery will be there for weight. The drivers side behind the seat is the only place to put it. The thought of going back to a single pipe is to save space by using one muffler and also it worked out great for sound. We installed this same set up for a test on our Corvette, and it was amazing how quiet we got it. We have some sites that are very restrictive on sound limits.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0371-1.jpg

[WSSix]

I was wondering the same thing. It makes sense that you have packaging issues and are almost forced to route the exhaust like that. I figured with how much planning is going into this car for function that there was no way that much effort was done for looks.

I can't wait to see this thing on the ground. 2nd gens look so amazing sitting very low. Your car also being functional makes it all the more sweeter

[73CPCAMARO]

I was wondering the same thing. It makes sense that you have packaging issues and are almost forced to route the exhaust like that. I figured with how much planning is going into this car for function that there was no way that much effort was done for looks.

I can't wait to see this thing on the ground. 2nd gens look so amazing sitting very low. Your car also being functional makes it all the more sweeter

Function is first and try to make it look the best we could. Once all the paneling is installed, you won't see any of the exhaust anyway. The pipe exits just above the rocker on the quarter panel. When I get it closer to completion, I will post some photos.

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are some photos of the 3 - link rear suspension. The watts link is located on the bottom of the rear end housing and the lower arms go through the frame rails, instead of narrowing them link the DSE 4 link set up.
The length of the lower links and upper link are at optimal length for handling. Packaging not an issue with this car as we eliminated the rear seat.


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[Cris@JCG]

You are tempting to remove the rear seat out of my Camaro!! :D like the way the watts link is done :thumbsup:


Here are some photos of the 3 - link rear suspension. The watts link is located on the bottom of the rear end housing and the lower arms go through the frame rails, instead of narrowing them link the DSE 4 link set up.
The length of the lower links and upper link are at optimal length for handling. Packaging not an issue with this car as we eliminated the rear seat.


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[tones2SS]

Very nice.
That's some nice work guys!:thumbsup:

[66LS7]

Killer job keep the pics coming:thumbsup:

[73lt4]

That is pure cool!

[70rs]

It all comes down to the lack of room. The car is going to be so low, it all had to stay up. Packaging wise, there is simply no room to get past the rear end. The passenger side would have been nice to exit, but it has the offset third link and the battery will be there for weight. The drivers side behind the seat is the only place to put it. The thought of going back to a single pipe is to save space by using one muffler and also it worked out great for sound. We installed this same set up for a test on our Corvette, and it was amazing how quiet we got it. We have some sites that are very restrictive on sound limits.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0371-1.jpg

I figured you had a good reason. Thanks for taking the time to explain.:cheers:

[ZVT]

Send me an email on specs I can clean up my rendering for you wont cost much to do.

Love the project !!!:thumbsup:

[deuce_454]

It all comes down to the lack of room. The car is going to be so low, it all had to stay up. Packaging wise, there is simply no room to get past the rear end. The passenger side would have been nice to exit, but it has the offset third link and the battery will be there for weight. The drivers side behind the seat is the only place to put it. The thought of going back to a single pipe is to save space by using one muffler and also it worked out great for sound. We installed this same set up for a test on our Corvette, and it was amazing how quiet we got it. We have some sites that are very restrictive on sound limits.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0371-1.jpg

if you wanted a passenger side exit, then why not just route a large single after the merge? it should weigh less as one large than two smaller.. and since you are comming into one muffler anyway ?!?

[73CPCAMARO]

Send me an email on specs I can clean up my rendering for you wont cost much to do.

Love the project !!!:thumbsup:

PM sent

[73CPCAMARO]

if you wanted a passenger side exit, then why not just route a large single after the merge? it should weigh less as one large than two smaller.. and since you are comming into one muffler anyway ?!?

Our goal is to get this car as quiet as possible. We tried with one muffler and it was not enough. The two smaller ones under the car were also not enough. We were able to obtain a unique sound with this set up and got it fairly quiet. It should also flow well. All three are straight thru design. With the two merges and three mufflers, hopefully it works out. Atl least all the weight is low and in the center. It may not be perfect, but it is different!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0137.jpg

[buickfunnycar.com]

Looking really cool Brian...can't wait to see more.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are some update photos showing the templates being made with cardboard material for the aluminum paneling at Maier Racing. It is too bad all the custom work on the rear suspension gets covered up.


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[ZVT]

Already started on your rendering brian should give you some more inspiration I hope to see it done.:thumbsup: :D

[rvorous]

Brian,
I love watching the progress of your car. I wanted to know, when you were planning out the car, did you ever considered an IRS set up?

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian,
I love watching the progress of your car. I wanted to know, when you were planning out the car, did you ever considered an IRS set up?

Since the primary purpose of the car is to autocross in the SCCA class C Prepared, IRS is not legal. That would be a great set up, but not for this car. Thanks for watching! We are making a lot of progress now.

[73CPCAMARO]

The aluminum paneling is just about completed. Here are some updated photos. I am not sure which color I am going to paint them. I may also cover the panels with some kind of material.

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[ScotI]

The aluminum paneling is just about completed.... I am not sure which color I am going to paint them. I may also cover the panels with some kind of material.

What about using some of the light weight sound deadening material from Dynomat (or one of those companies)? Seems like that might work toward your goal of helping keep things quiet w/o adding much additional weight.

[73CPCAMARO]

What about using some of the light weight sound deadening material from Dynomat (or one of those companies)? Seems like that might work toward your goal of helping keep things quiet w/o adding much additional weight.

I am going to be using Lizard Skin on the underside of the car and the back side of the aluminum paneling. Sound and heat should be controlled. I have never used Lizard Skin, but I have seen it on other cars and it seems good. I am using the sound control and ceramic. Depending on how nice I can make it look, I will be using the Lizard Skin or Line-X on the interior floor.

[73CPCAMARO]

With most of the interior paneling completed, Maier Racing has started installing the door bars. To make it easier for the driver and passenger to get in, we are leaving out the bar from the A pillar near the dash area to the middle. We can always add that later if needed.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0520.jpg

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[HOLOHAN'S HOT ROD SHOP]

Lizard Skin is a great product. Light weight, easy to apply, can be sanded and painted.....

[73CPCAMARO]

The door bars and paneling are done. Here is a couple photos. They bow out a little bit and the new doors on the inside will need some modifications.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0400.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0408-1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0399.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0401-2.jpg

[tones2SS]

Great work guys.
Keep it up.:thumbsup:

[rvorous]

Brian,
The progress on your car has been going a screaming pace, it's a blast to follow. Any update's / new photos since the install of the interior paneling?

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian,
The progress on your car has been going a screaming pace, it's a blast to follow. Any update's / new photos since the install of the interior paneling?

The car is progressing nicely. It was just moved from Maier Racing to the home garage last week. Maier finished the first major stage he is to do. There are a few minor things to complete later. At home, we are removing all the panels, suspension, transmission, rear end.... all the bolt on stuff. It is just about back to a shell of a car with the cage. After a few things here and there are fabricated, the car will be going to my body shop to get blasted and get the body work done. All the undercoating, cage painting and flares will be done. Once it gets to my shop, in about 2 - 3 weeks, I will post some more photos. Thanks for watching!

[73CPCAMARO]

I have a little update. Here are photos of the last items Maier Racing completed before I picked it up and go to the next phase. We added jacking points on each side of the car that are a part of the cage. We also added the fiberglass dash that needs a little more fab work, but is very close.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_0430.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1172.jpg

[Rod P]

Looks great Brian! :thumbsup:

[71RS/SS396]

Where did you get the dash from?

[73CPCAMARO]

Where did you get the dash from?

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1172.jpg[/QUOTE]

I got the dash from VFN. We had to customize it for our application. It is now removable and with the A Pillar potion of the roll cage, trimming was needed. The part seems to be of good quality for what we wanted.
We are also in the process of making the section around the steering column for the gauges.

[73CPCAMARO]

We moved the Camaro today from the home shop to my body shop. Big day today. Just about all the fab work is done and it is ready for the body work. We are starting to strip the car down to bare metal and do the quarter panel flares.

Here are some photos of the car arriving.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1840.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1843.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1842.jpg

Here is one of the prep booths the car will go in.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/Booth-W.jpg

Once all the metal work is done, this is my paint department that will make it look good.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/Panorama-Front-Inside-W.jpg

[buickfunnycar.com]

Looking good...subscribing now.:thumbsup:

[camcojb]

great shop Brian, you're a lucky man. :cheers:

Jody

[796spdbu]

Wow that is a nice shop. Im blown away by the prep booth.
Your trailer sits low. Does it have torsion axles?

[96z28ss]

That is an extremely nice body shop.

[67velle]

more pics of the body shop.........:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Thanks for the complements on the shop.

I am very lucky to have such a nice shop to go to every day. We built this shop just about one year ago, our newest of 6. Top of the line equipment, amenities for my techs, and the best for our customers was our goal. It is 52,000 sq ft.

Here are a few more shots:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/_MG_4484.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/SHOP_Interior_Fremont_IMG_5233.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/SHOP-interior_IMG_6733.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1004.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/Lobby-w-water-W-1.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/customer-waiting.jpg

[BigRatCamaro]

Nice project nice shop :thumbsup: :hail:

[montanass]

awsome project man! Your shop is like disneyland for body guys, very impressive. I'm anxious to see how this car turns out, i anticipate nothing short of awsome

[radrambler]

:hail: HOLY BODY SHOPS BATMAN



:wow: Now thats first class !!


Tom

[waynieZ]

That shop is amazing. Very impressive.

[73CPCAMARO]

Wow that is a nice shop. Im blown away by the prep booth.
Your trailer sits low. Does it have torsion axles?

They are actually bolt on spindles. The trailer in not sprung.

[tones2SS]

That shop is amazing. Very impressive.

I agree Wayne. WOW!!!:thumbsup:
Do you guys do many muscle/pro-touring cars there?

[73CPCAMARO]

I agree Wayne. WOW!!!:thumbsup:
Do you guys do many muscle/pro-touring cars there?

A few of us have some muscle/pro-touring cars for personal use, but not many customers. We have done a few over the years, but we are too expensive for most people. We do customize 2010 Camaros for a handful of the Chevrolet dealers in the Bay Area. Our specialty is repairing newer and high end cars that were involved in an accident or vandalized. We have deals with many new car dealers and many insurance companies.

[qship510]

They are actually bolt on spindles. The trailer in not sprung.

Really? Looks like it's been around a while too, any failure issues?

[73CPCAMARO]

Really? Looks like it's been around a while too, any failure issues?

The trailer is 30 years old and my Dad's trailer was built just like this one and it is also about 30 years old. No problems at all. Both trailers have seen a lot of miles over the years.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

A few of us have some muscle/pro-touring cars for personal use, but not many customers. We have done a few over the years, but we are too expensive for most people. We do customize 2010 Camaros for a handful of the Chevrolet dealers in the Bay Area. Our specialty is repairing newer and high end cars that were involved in an accident or vandalized. We have deals with many new car dealers and many insurance companies.

I know that place. Your in San Jose right? I thought it was Magnussen owned. Very nice shop.

no wonder your vette looks so good.
vince

[gracin7]

Geeze Brian,I wouldn't know what to do with all that space.Car looks great

[73CPCAMARO]

I know that place. Your in San Jose right? I thought it was Magnussen owned. Very nice shop.

no wonder your vette looks so good.
vince

The shop is in Fremont and Magnussen is partners with our owner. I Manage this location. We have shops in Santa Clara, Mountain View, Dublin, Concord, and Yuba City. My shop was completed last April.

Thanks,
Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

We are making progress with removing all the old paint and bondo and getting the car down to bare metal. Next steps are to finish the rust repair and remove the rear body panel and trunk floor and replace with new panels.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1860.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1862.jpg

[Sti_Guy]

Is that a HONDA badge on the front core support?

[73CPCAMARO]

Is that a HONDA badge on the front core support?

Yes it is. One of my techs thought it was funny to put that on there. He said I should put a VTECH motor in it... LOL!

[waynieZ]

Tell him you're going to put a Vtech in as a pony motor , To Start The Real one! lol

[chr2002ca]

I just figured your Camaro forgot to wipe its mouth after eating. :thumbsup:

I love this project of yours. Thanks for all the great posts and keeping us up to date.

[73CPCAMARO]

We started removing the rusted and damaged panels this week. Our body tech, Ashik, has been going at it this week.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1891.jpg


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1920.jpg


Our shop foreman, Bo, is starting the flares on the quarter panels.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_1896.jpg

By next week, I should have some photos showing major progress on the rear body work.

[tones2SS]

Very cool. She's moving right along.:thumbsup:

[rvorous]

Brian,
How's the build going? Haven't heard from you in awhile. Do you have any photo updates?

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian,
How's the build going? Haven't heard from you in awhile. Do you have any photo updates?

We are making good progress on the car. We took last week off so we can get other work in the shop out. I was waiting for a little more progress to be done before posting some more photos. The quarter panel flares are just about done. The floor and rear body panels have been replaced All the rust spots have been patched, and there were a handfull. We are currently fitting all the fiberglass panels.

Here are a couple shots to show where we are. Many more to come.

The flares are all metal fabricated.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2002.jpg

We pushed out the quarter panels about 1 1/2" along with the flares.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2005.jpg

These are the "small" tires

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2030.jpg

Here is the car with some of the fiberglass panels getting fitted.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2129.jpg

In a couple weeks, I hope to have a lot more progress done and photos.

Thanks for watching!
Brian

[Lemons]

Looking great Brian. I can't wait to see more.

Chris

[tones2SS]

It looks good Brian. Keep up the good work.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Update

[73CPCAMARO]

** Update **

We have been making progress with the body over the last couple months. There is a lot of little things that have to be done and they take a lot of time. The fiberglass work is getting close to being completed. In about one more week, that part of the body will be done. We are starting the final steps on the sheet metal and it may have about 1 - 2 more weeks before the car is ready for paint.

The engine just got completed and went to the shop at home yesterday. I am very happy with the dyno results. 416 CI LS3 with 611 HP and 538 TQ.

Here are a couple shots to show where we are at. I hope to show more shots in a couple weeks.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2715.jpg


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2717.jpg

[rvorous]

Brian,
How's the build progressing? Any new pics of your awesome build?

[70CamaroBill]

Hey Brian.. More Pixs please.. I need my fix:hail:

[coolwelder62]

I cant wait to see this one finished.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Hey guys, sorry for the delay on photos. It has been a lot of work getting the body ready for paint. We are working on the car in between regular jobs in the shop, so the process is a long one, as you all already know.

Here are some shots of where we are now. The quarter panels are finished in metal and now the "bondo" begins to complete the shaping. The fiberglass bumper is being shaped to the quarter panels to give it a nice clean look. I will post some more photos in the next couple weeks.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2841.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2838.jpg

[awr68]

Not sure how I missed this one! I love it! Just spent the last two hours reading every post and studying all the pics! Great build....and shop! :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

We just finished the left quarter panel and we are now going to the right side to finish in the next couple days.

The first shot is the completed flare and quarter and the second is the right side before the "bondo".

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2859.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2857.jpg

[ScotI]

I know a little about this stuff so bear w/me..... Is the 'lip' of the outside edge of the wheel opening 'squared' w/body filler & primer?

[73CPCAMARO]

I know a little about this stuff so bear w/me..... Is the 'lip' of the outside edge of the wheel opening 'squared' w/body filler & primer?


There is a metal rod on the outer lip of the wheel opening and another rod about 1" up that make up the lip. Body filler is used to finish off the upper edge to give it the sharp look. Primer will be added later and blocked out to give it the final look before paint.

[buickfunnycar.com]

Looking great Brian...are you running the exhaust out those holes in front?

I figured on a build like this,you'd run the tall 3-pc D-80 spoiler,are you using the one in the pictures or do you have something custom in mind?

[73CPCAMARO]

Looking great Brian...are you running the exhaust out those holes in front?

I figured on a build like this,you'd run the tall 3-pc D-80 spoiler,are you using the one in the pictures or do you have something custom in mind?

The exhaust will exit out the hole on the left quarter panel in front of the rear tire. The is no room to exit the exhaust behind the rear axle.

With the rear spoiler, I will be adding on 10" of clear plastic to the deck lid that is on the car. The rules of the class I will be running limit you to 10". I will be using clear because I have always loved the small spoiler look and the clear will serve it function without changing the look of the car.

Here is a picture of my Corvette with the same material I will be using on the Camaro. If the material was a solid material, the classic look of the Corvette would dramatically chanage.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/AutoX42907191.jpg

The material will fasten to the back side of the short spoiler.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2841.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/spoiler.jpg

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are some updated photos of the quarter panels and rear bumper. We are getting the body lines finalized. We are molding the rear bumper to the quarter panels with a nice even gap. I put a cardboard spoiler on the deck lid to show the size of the clear plastic one that will be added later. The fiberglass inner shell has relief molded cut outs for the side bars. More detail will be added to them.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2917.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2911.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2909.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2918.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2919.jpg

[Desert68]

What a fantastic idea. That Vette looks awesome and if the spoiler was body color it wouldn't look anywhere near as good, even though people understand the purpose and function.

[Bryce]

awesome build.

[gracin7]

Hey Brian looks great,love the side bar reliefs in the doors.Why not round off the corners of the spoiler and scallop the top edge to give it alittle character !!!And being clear you can see thru it in your mirror, if you have one.My race truck has a 5in clear spoiler and if it was aluminum I wouldnt see anyone behind me,but thats stockcar racing not autocross !!!! Keep it up

[73CPCAMARO]

The clear add on spoiler will look much better than that piece of cardboard I stuck on there. There will be a Gurney Flap added to the top like on the Corvette. Function and legalality under the class rules is most important on this part of the car. Being clear, you won't really see it anyway.

Thanks for the idea!

[73CPCAMARO]

We made some good progress this week on the rear body. Our body techs worked all week on the rear end and quarter panels and doors. The small details are going to make a big difference.

Here are some current photos showing the way we go the rear bumper to fit to the rear body and quarter panels.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2941.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2950.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2949.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2948.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2947.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2946.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2945.jpg


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2944.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2943.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2942.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Wow!! looking awesome,Brian can't wait to see it in under color. :thumbsup:

[lil427z]

brian keep up the good work.
rick k:cheers:

[srh3trinity]

Nice to see a second gen tucking that much tire. This car is going to set a new standard for early Camaros.

[tones2SS]

Very nice. Love the way the bumper sits. Came out really nice!:thumbsup:

[protour73]

WOW Brian, what a super KILLER project. I just went through all of the pages your build thread, very impressive work. It is especially interesting for me as a fellow 2nd Gen owner.....good to see another one enjoying a new life!!!

I am very partial to the single stripe idea!!! :unibrow:

Scott

[Cris@JCG]

Brian- Can you please get this car painted!! :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian- Can you please get this car painted!! :thumbsup:

Soon! We hope to have it in the paint shop in the next couple weeks. It will be there for a couple weeks as they prime a block a few times. The guys at the shop are getting excited as we approach the finish line on this part of the build!

[clill]

Man I'm in love with that car.... Great job so far..perfect.

[Steve1968LS2]

Sweet!

The Vette is killer too.. get it done so we can run together up at Marina.. although you have me beat in the tire size area.. lol

Wanny buy some slightly used Hoosier A6 tires? ;)

[73CPCAMARO]

Sweet!

The Vette is killer too.. get it done so we can run together up at Marina.. although you have me beat in the tire size area.. lol

Wanny buy some slightly used Hoosier A6 tires? ;)

I hope to be autocrossing it some time this fall. I have 95% of the car at my Dad's shop at home waiting for final assembly. The trick will be getting the final 5% done in a timely manner. This is my first build from scratch, but I have heard enough stories about the last bits and pieces to scare me! I am very fortunate to have friends that have done this and have a lot of experience. In the meantime, my Dad and I have the 65 Corvette to play with. :D

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a couple more updated photos.

Bo, our shop Foreman and lead on the build at the body shop, came up with a nice way to break up the outer color (Orange) and the cage color (grey). The raised line on the outside is the same width as the top of the door.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2951.jpg

Here is a view from above to see the swelled quarter panel and flare. You can also see the body line on the cage to outer quarter panel and the top of the door.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_2953.jpg

[tones2SS]

Very nice. Car is going to turn out awesome!:thumbsup:

[conekiller13]

Man, not sure how I missed this one either.... Found while starting to do some research on the CP class. I think I've decided to turn My '71 Chevelle/garage shelf into a CP car. This thread has given My some great idea's like robbing banks, screwing retirees out of their 401k's, beating up 3rd graders for their lunch money.....

Seriously though, this car is absolutely awesome. Too bad it's not done so you could bring it up to Packwood for the National Tour this weekend, I know the Maier's will be there. I plan to go over the 10 or so CP entries with a fine tooth comb looking for idea's. Just promise Me You wont bring it up here once I do start running My car in a few years.

[tones2SS]

This thread has given My some great idea's like robbing banks, screwing retirees out of their 401k's, beating up 3rd graders for their lunch money.....

lollllllll........:rofl:
Tell me about it!:yes:

[73CPCAMARO]

Man, not sure how I missed this one either.... Found while starting to do some research on the CP class. I think I've decided to turn My '71 Chevelle/garage shelf into a CP car. This thread has given My some great idea's like robbing banks, screwing retirees out of their 401k's, beating up 3rd graders for their lunch money.....

Seriously though, this car is absolutely awesome. Too bad it's not done so you could bring it up to Packwood for the National Tour this weekend, I know the Maier's will be there. I plan to go over the 10 or so CP entries with a fine tooth comb looking for idea's. Just promise Me You wont bring it up here once I do start running My car in a few years.


Dan,

Thanks for the laugh and good words.

The Maiers will be there and Mike is a wealth of information. He is now running the front suspension he designed for my Camaro. My car will not be ready for this year, but, I can not promise you I will not be there next year. :D It will be going to the SCCA Nationals next year and some west coast traveling.

The body just went into the paint shop for primer. The front end is not completed yet, but soon! I will post some photos later today or tomorrow.

Brian

[conekiller13]

Looking forward to more pics:bow:

[73CPCAMARO]

The body has made it to the paint shop! We are in the prime and block stage for the doors and behind. The fenders and nose will be completed after the back 2/3's and ready for paint.

Here are some shots before primer. We will prime tomorrow.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3024.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3026.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3025.jpg

[73CPCAMARO]

We have primer! Let the sanding begin. We are very happy with the initial body work. Just fine tuning to do now.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3040.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3039.jpg

[buickfunnycar.com]

Those flares look massive in primer...:wow:

[Mean 69]

Those bulges on the quarters are giving ME a bulge in the, well, oh never mind.....

Mark

[tones2SS]

Those flares look massive in primer...:wow:

You said it brother!!:thumbsup:

[conekiller13]

http://images.clipartof.com/thumbnails/19286-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Yellow-Smiley-Face-Puckering-Its-Lips-And-Holding-Its-Breath-In-Its-Cheeks.jpg

[73CPCAMARO]

http://images.clipartof.com/thumbnails/19286-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Yellow-Smiley-Face-Puckering-Its-Lips-And-Holding-Its-Breath-In-Its-Cheeks.jpg

That is good!

[73CPCAMARO]

Here are a few more.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3036.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3038.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3035.jpg

[tones2SS]

Very nice Brian!:thumbsup:

[clill]

Can I have it ? :rolleyes:

[conekiller13]

Can I have it ? :rolleyes:

That would make a good addition to Your collection.......but you'd have to race it!:unibrow:

[DIGI-TAILS]

i love to see more figures of this car in the future. thank you and good luck!!! :thumbsup:

[conekiller13]

i love to see more figures of this car in the future. thank you and good luck!!! :thumbsup:

I think a full magazine test with cool equipment and all kinds of pictures and a head to head battle against something cool like a Ferrari 458 or an old Trans -AM car or a current GT-3 car (like the C6.R). That would be cool and well worth it.....hint, hint, nudge, nudge to the magazine guys!!! :woot:

[73CPCAMARO]

Can I have it ? :rolleyes:

Anything can be had....for the right price. :D

[73CPCAMARO]

The body is back in the booth after blocking for round 2.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3044.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Lookin good Mr.Hobaugh:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

The cage, floor, and firewall are now primered. The next step is lizard skin will be applied to the firewall and bottom of the floor. The firewall will then be sanded smooth. The inside floor will be coated with UPOL bed liner. Finally, the cage will be painted grey.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3087.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3092.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3090.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3091.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Look's good.Can't wait to see the finished product.:thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Look's good.Can't wait to see the finished product.:thumbsup:

You said it!:thumbsup:

[conekiller13]

Me too. It was pretty cool seeing Frank Stagnaro's Mustang in action last weekend at the Solo National Tour in Packwood WA. http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=56 with Mike Maier at the helm. They put the smack down on the CP field by a few seconds.....

I won the EP class by the way......'77 Mazda RX-3 SP.



http://www.maierracing.com/images/1frankstgnaro.jpg

[73CPCAMARO]

Me too. It was pretty cool seeing Frank Stagnaro's Mustang in action last weekend at the Solo National Tour in Packwood WA. http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=56 with Mike Maier at the helm. They put the smack down on the CP field by a few seconds.....

I won the EP class by the way......'77 Mazda RX-3 SP.



http://www.maierracing.com/images/1frankstgnaro.jpg


Mike and Frand always put on a great show. Congratulations on your win:thumbsup: . Now you need to get into CP :D

[73CPCAMARO]

The first coat of the Lizard Skin got applied today. This was the sound deadoning coat. Ceramic to go next.

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[clill]

Anything can be had....for the right price. :D


Be careful:unibrow:

[conekiller13]

Be careful:unibrow:

Charley has a habit of coming up with the right price........:faint:

[73CPCAMARO]

Charley has a habit of coming up with the right price........:faint:

The guys at work have nick named the car the $100,000 Camaro. :lol: That is not what I would take, so no offers please! :lol:

[73CPCAMARO]

The Lizard Skin is turning out just as planned. My goal is to insulate the interior as much as possible from heat and sound.

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We seam sealed the trunk floor before the bed liner is applied on Friday.

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[conekiller13]

How much weight does that add? Do You think the car will be close to 2700lbs minimum for the class? What does noise and heat matter if it's only going to be driven 50-60 seconds at a time? Or is it still going to be street legal?

[73CPCAMARO]

How much weight does that add? Do You think the car will be close to 2700lbs minimum for the class? What does noise and heat matter if it's only going to be driven 50-60 seconds at a time? Or is it still going to be street legal?



The weight gain is minimal. The car will weigh about 2600 lbs when it is completed. All the bolt on panels are fiberglass (doors, hood, fenders, nose, bumpers, deck lid). Because I am running a 416 cubic inch motor and 18" x 12" wheels, the car must weigh 3100 lbs. I will be adding about 500 lbs of lead / steel to the floor and cage behind the rear seat. All very low and centered weight. And yes, this will be a tricked out CP Camaro with lights that I will occasionally drive on the street. People say I am crazy, but, I have a vision and I am seeing it thru. :D

[coolwelder62]

Race car's that are driven on the street are coolest car's.:thumbsup:

[conekiller13]

The weight gain is minimal. The car will weigh about 2600 lbs when it is completed. All the bolt on panels are fiberglass (doors, hood, fenders, nose, bumpers, deck lid). Because I am running a 416 cubic inch motor and 18" x 12" wheels, the car must weigh 3100 lbs. I will be adding about 500 lbs of lead / steel to the floor and cage behind the rear seat. All very low and centered weight. And yes, this will be a tricked out CP Camaro with lights that I will occasionally drive on the street. People say I am crazy, but, I have a vision and I am seeing it thru. :D

That's cool. That was My original plan for My Chevelle but due to budget cuts it looks like the race car side is winning:willy:

[deuce_454]

does the weight have to be fixed? the mercedes DTM class race cars have their weight mounted on a slide so the weight bias can be shifted... (the 2008 cars had them hydraulically operated to change bias for braking, acceleration and turns)

[73CPCAMARO]

does the weight have to be fixed? the mercedes DTM class race cars have their weight mounted on a slide so the weight bias can be shifted... (the 2008 cars had them hydraulically operated to change bias for braking, acceleration and turns)

Yes it does. We have a plan for the weight addition that should work very nice. I will show it when it is added.

[coolwelder62]

Is it done yet, Is it done,Is it done yet. Can't wait any longer (PLEASE) paint it tonight.:lol: :lol:

[conekiller13]

Are you going with the 18" primarily for looks or because of the brake package? 16" seems to be the class norm. I haven't decided if I want to down size My current Bear brakes and go to 16" wheels with the de rigueur Goodyear slicks, or keep the brakes and go with the bigger wheels. The true racing slicks get obscenely expensive in those sizes as can be the cost of big wheels. Guess it will depend on if I can get the weight down or not. Decisions, decisions.

[73CPCAMARO]

Are you going with the 18" primarily for looks or because of the brake package? 16" seems to be the class norm. I haven't decided if I want to down size My current Bear brakes and go to 16" wheels with the de rigueur Goodyear slicks, or keep the brakes and go with the bigger wheels. The true racing slicks get obscenely expensive in those sizes as can be the cost of big wheels. Guess it will depend on if I can get the weight down or not. Decisions, decisions.

I am going with 18" x 12" rears with a 345-35-18 Hoosier A6 and 17" x 12" fronts with 335-35-17 Hoosier A6. The car will be able to run 16" x 12" with Goodyears if needed. Tire technology has come so far the past few years. The A6 is just as fast or faster than the Goodyears. Both tire packages are stupid expensive.:omg:

[conekiller13]

Has anybody said which tires have a better wear rate between the Hoosiers and the Goodyears? I know the Corvette guys running SS are lucky to get a full season out the A6 before it is showing cords. Having to buy two sets a year is a really big expense. I may have to start selling body parts for that.......anyone need an over size gut?

[73CPCAMARO]

Has anybody said which tires have a better wear rate between the Hoosiers and the Goodyears? I know the Corvette guys running SS are lucky to get a full season out the A6 before it is showing cords. Having to buy two sets a year is a really big expense. I may have to start selling body parts for that.......anyone need an over size gut?

They are about the same, from what I have seen. Maybe a bit more life out of the A6. Both require you to bend over and grab your ankles.:wow:

[73CPCAMARO]

All the Lizard Skin has been applied and everything has been painted satin black. The bed liner will be sprayed tomorrow on the inside floor and trunk.

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As the paint shop has been taking care of the inside and underside, the body shop is getting the front end ready to fit on the car. We made it so the entire front end will unbolt and leave behind the radiator support.

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[tones2SS]

Should be a killer car Brian. Moving right along.:thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Man, Brian it look's real good.Can't wait to see some color on this thing.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Today, we got the trunk and interior floor completed. Bed liner material was used to give the floor and nice texture and toughness.

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[coolwelder62]

Brian what brand of liner did you use.Will the car have iner wheel well's.Look's great.Scott.:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian what brand of liner did you use.Will the car have iner wheel well's.Look's great.Scott.:thumbsup:

We used the UPOL Raptor liner. Easy to use and looks great. We have used this for truck beds and have been very happy with it. I have done a lot of research for our shop for bedliner material, and the UPOL seams to be the best of all worlds. No special equipment needed except the spray gun.

The rear will have some liners in the quarter panels. Maier Racing will fab those up later.

Thanks.

Brian