1973 Camaro - Autocross / Street Car project

[70 gsconvt]

Brian, I read you just ran in the exhibition class and blew away all the "class winners" times by a second or more. Nice. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Man, you are hauling ASS!:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, I read you just ran in the exhibition class and blew away all the "class winners" times by a second or more. Nice. :thumbsup:

I was running Hoosier A6's at the time. Not quite fair, so it is hard to compare times. The group as a whole drove very good and we got as many runs as we wanted. I think a bunch got 15+ runs per day!

[73CPCAMARO]

3 of the OUSCI competitors were there, how did you stack up against each other?

Mike did not run his 66 Mustang as he needed to wrap up the CP championship, so he ran his CP car. Mary and I were pretty even over the weekend. We were in the same tenth on Saturday and I got her by .3 on Sunday. Overall, very close. I think we all have some sorting out to do, but we will be ready to shoot it out at OUSCI. :yes:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Very cool vid Brian.

I think your build will influence a number of people building cars they'll track. :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

On Friday we taped at Wilwood Brakes the install of upgraded calipers and rotors for the OUSCI. It was a great day!

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[Rybar]

Hey Brian, I just went through the entire thread. Am really sorry I never posted in it. This is a heck of a build and I would say definately you will be challenging for the Optima win this year as well as your friend Mike in the mustang.

:cheers:

[camcojb]

I was running Hoosier A6's at the time. Not quite fair, so it is hard to compare times. The group as a whole drove very good and we got as many runs as we wanted. I think a bunch got 15+ runs per day!

Have you run the car with 200 treadwear tires yet?

[73CPCAMARO]

Have you run the car with 200 treadwear tires yet?

I have been running 300 treadwear tires since mid-July. I have about 70 + autocross laps on them plus 6 open track sessions. I can't wear them out!

[camcojb]

I have been running 300 treadwear tires since mid-July. I have about 70 + autocross laps on them plus 6 open track sessions. I can't wear them out!

:lol: perfect.

[mikespeed95]

Man, this is one of the most incredible cars I've ever seen. Well well well done!

Taking a lot of notes here.

[73CPCAMARO]

I will be at my car on Wednesday am and most of Thursday and Friday. I have a lot of Wilwood posters with my car on it. Please come by and say hi and take one. My car is parked at the Optima truck with my buddy Mike Maier abd his 66 Mustang.

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[GHOSTDANCER]

:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :cheers:


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[MarkM66]

Just read through it again. :thumbsup:

Did you make your weight goal?

[73CPCAMARO]

Just read through it again. :thumbsup:

Did you make your weight goal?

The car weighs about 2900 lbs before I added 200 lbs of lead over the rear axle. Minimum weight is 3100 lbs for the class I run. With the big wheels and street tires the car weighs closer to 3200 lbs.

Brian

[Ron in SoCal]

The car weighs about 2900 lbs before I added 200 lbs of lead over the rear axle. Minimum weight is 3100 lbs for the class I run. With the big wheels and street tires the car weighs closer to 3200 lbs.

Brian

Brian just curious, did you run Optima with the lead? Is it even removable? Also, looks like smaller rotors than before? Not that I noticed w that big Willwood sticker on the side :lol:

If you can't tell, I dig your car (even without the side windows, :D )...:thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian just curious, did you run Optima with the lead? Is it even removable? Also, looks like smaller rotors than before? Not that I noticed w that big Willwood sticker on the side :lol:

If you can't tell, I dig your car (even without the side windows, :D )...:thumbsup:

I left the weight in the car..so I ran around 3180 - 3200 lbs. The car is balanced and that was more important than weight. The lead is removable in 6 lb bars in two 50 cal. ammo boxes mounted in the rear.

This door window subject is understandable to a point. I drove over 100 miles in the rain and 38 degrees last Friday night. It actually was not that bad and I did not even get wet. :D I put the bed liner material in for that reason. I have a fan than pulls engine heat into the interior and that helped out a lot. Everything is coated so that it can get wet and clean very easily. I washed the car at 5am of the day of the event in the car wash.

The rotors and calipers were all upgraded at Wilwood a few weeks ago. I went with a 6 piston caliper in the front and the new Spec 37 rotors all around. Check out the video we shot for OUSCI:

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[Ron in SoCal]

Very cool vid Brian.. Looks like a great brake set up..:thumbsup:

Listen, I was just teasin' you about the side windows to make you smile. If it didn't work I apologize, but I think you should pay no attention to any of those comments. You know who you are, what your car is and why/how you built it. I also think you got plenty of positive support on this site for your participation. After seeing you run on Saturday, I'll be cheering your success at every event....:cheers:

[73CPCAMARO]

Very cool vid Brian.. Looks like a great brake set up..:thumbsup:

Listen, I was just teasin' you about the side windows to make you smile. If it didn't work I apologize, but I think you should pay no attention to any of those comments. You know who you are, what your car is and why/how you built it. I also think you got plenty of positive support on this site for your participation. After seeing you run on Saturday, I'll be cheering your success at every event....:cheers:

Ron,

I appreciate all the support I have received from you and others on this forum. Again, I totally understand where everyone is coming from. I am pushing the envelope with my car, but someone has to. :D If the rules mandate windows, I may put them in. It will just cost me money I don't want to spend. I like spending my time and money on go fast stuff over comfort items I don't need. It will not slow the car down. If windows are really that big a deal and they think it is going to change the results, they need to think again. Car builds are all about compromise.

I have said it many times and I will say it once more. My car was built to be fast on the autocross, capable of running fast at an open track AND be safe (cage), and when I am not racing, drive it on the street on a cruise, hot rod night or car show. Do all of that and look bad ass at the same time. I painted it orange for a reason :unibrow:

I was very honored to have Bill Goldberg make it a point to find me and tell me how much he loved my car. I can't think of a better and bigger guy to have on my side. :yes:

I hope I will be welcome at any future RTT_'s and possibly OUSCI again. The events are a blast and the guys/gals are great people.

Brian

[Ron in SoCal]

I am pushing the envelope with my car, but someone has to. :D If the rules mandate windows, I may put them in. It will just cost me money I don't want to spend. I like spending my time and money on go fast stuff over comfort items I don't need....Car builds are all about compromise.

Couldn't agree more!

I hope I will be welcome at any future RTT_'s and possibly OUSCI again. The events are a blast and the guys/gals are great people.

Of course you will Brian. I'm pretty sure they'll roll out the red carpet...:thumbsup:

[MarkM66]

Actually, the doors are fiberglass also. No more metal going on the car. The goal is to remove outside weight and add to the center and low. The class I will be running requires a minimum 3100 lbs.

Thanks for all the good words all. I getting really excited. Here are a couple more of the left quarter panel with the exhaust exit.

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Where you able to run the factory style door latches/handles with the fiberglass doors?

[tazzz2_ca]

It was great seeing you out there and the car was awesome.... The window deal needs to just plain go away,,, you built the car perfect for your needs and the Optima challenge so enjoy it as is bud...

[73CPCAMARO]

It was great seeing you out there and the car was awesome.... The window deal needs to just plain go away,,, you built the car perfect for your needs and the Optima challenge so enjoy it as is bud...

Thanks a lot. :) I really appreciate it.

[73CPCAMARO]

Where you able to run the factory style door latches/handles with the fiberglass doors?

I used the factory door latches, inside and outside handles.

[Cris@JCG]

Brian- Great hanging out with you @ Sema.. & great to see the car in person & watch it run @ Optima..

[onelapduster]

What are the plans for the car this summer? Any chance of seeing it out east?

[73CPCAMARO]

What are the plans for the car this summer? Any chance of seeing it out east?

I am still working on my plans for 2012. There is a really good chance I will be going to Nebraska in September for the SCCA Solo II National Championship. That would be the farthest east I may go. I may be able to hit the Goodguys show in Kansas in September while I am on the trip. Most of my time will be on the west coast running autocrosses and a few open track events.

Brian

[Lamoogle]

Man thats just one cool car you have built! Thank you for sharing it with us.

[73CPCAMARO]

Last year was a great year and I have been getting ready to enjoy 2012. Thank you to everyone that helped me in 2011 and made it a successful first year with the new car. I was very fortunate to have amazing people work on the car to get it were it is at today. Thank you to: Maier Racing, JRI Shocks, Wilwood Brakes, K&N, Mast Motorsports, DPE Wheels, Cort with Seever and Sons, The Rear End Shop, Elite Auto Films, Elite Auto Glass, Car West Elite, PPG, Kent Automotive, my buddy Rob who did all the electircal, and of course my Dad.

We made some geometry changes to the front suspension a few weeks ago that made a huge improvement. I ran the car a couple weeks ago and I was very pleased with results. We are in the process of upgrading the steering components with a pump and box from Turn One. We also adjusted the corner weights again and the balance seems good. With the Michelins, the car weighs 3230. The larger wheels and heavier tires are about 100 lbs more than the CCW's and Hoosiers.

I hope to see a lot of you guys here on the forum at RTTC III. It should be a great time. :D

Here are some shots from OUSCI where I finished 3rd.

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From the cruise night on Friday:

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[preston]

Sure would be curious about what kind of suspension changes you made. Still top secret I guess. Looking at your upright design and what you are trying to do there makes me really curious how you think it is working.

What issues are you trying to improve with a new pump and box ?

[73CPCAMARO]

Sure would be curious about what kind of suspension changes you made. Still top secret I guess. Looking at your upright design and what you are trying to do there makes me really curious how you think it is working.

What issues are you trying to improve with a new pump and box ?

The Maier Racing built suspension has a tremendous amount of adjustability. The uprights are amazing and every angle you can think of can be adjusted. Basically, we made a significant spring rate change, sway bar, and geometry change and the turn in is incredible. In the next month, more testing is needed to finalize the settings. I should be dailed in for RTTC III.

The steering pump and box are being upgraded for a better feel and reliability. I had changed ratios late summer with a cheap box and it failed on me right after OUSCI and the November Goodguys. The new box is the 600 series and the pump is set to match my car.

[MaxHarvard]

That's a mean looking car man! Love it! :)

[Ron in SoCal]

Last year was a great year and I have been getting ready to enjoy 2012. Thank you to everyone that helped me in 2011 and made it a successful first year with the new car. I was very fortunate to have amazing people work on the car to get it were it is at today. Thank you to: Maier Racing, JRI Shocks, Wilwood Brakes, K&N, Mast Motorsports, DPE Wheels, Cort with Seever and Sons, The Rear End Shop, Elite Auto Films, Elite Auto Glass, Car West Elite, PPG, Kent Automotive, my buddy Rob who did all the electircal, and of course my Dad.

We made some geometry changes to the front suspension a few weeks ago that made a huge improvement. I ran the car a couple weeks ago and I was very pleased with results. We are in the process of upgrading the steering components with a pump and box from Turn One. We also adjusted the corner weights again and the balance seems good. With the Michelins, the car weighs 3230. The larger wheels and heavier tires are about 100 lbs more than the CCW's and Hoosiers.

I hope to see a lot of you guys here on the forum at RTTC III. It should be a great time. :D

Here are some shots from OUSCI where I finished 3rd.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC_0522.jpg



You're car looks Sitcky...:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I was texting Dave after your second AutoX run @ Optima (in the freezing cold). Going off memory, I think I wrote - I don't see anyone beating Brian!!'

Great job Sir...:lateral:

[Garage Dog 65]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/ouscigroup.jpg

Someone should do a 'Guess the total HP on the Grid' contest for this group shot...

or

'Total square feet of tire patch on the ground'

Etc...

Great gathering of wicked track cars !

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jim

[Flush 71]

Just curious Brian what is the backspacing and hub bore on your DPE wheels, and how much were they if you don't mind me asking I'm wanting to pick up a set of their super concaves for my 2nd gen?

Thanks

[78SilverZ28]

Nice writeup!

[SLO_Z28]

Just curious Brian what is the backspacing and hub bore on your DPE wheels, and how much were they if you don't mind me asking I'm wanting to pick up a set of their super concaves for my 2nd gen?

Thanks

Not cheap, over $1200 per wheel. His backspacing would only really work if you had the exact same steering/suspension as him.

Cant wait to see your car on TV Brian, should make for a good show :thumbsup:

[Flush 71]

Thanks Slo_Z28, I figured it was about 6k for a set I was trying to pin an exact number! lol

[Sandbagger]

Nice Add on the backside of the HotRod Cover .
How much camber were you running in the pick ? looks like a ton from that angle .Any chance you shortened the upper A arm and took some -camber out ? Just guessing here .

[73CPCAMARO]

Just curious Brian what is the backspacing and hub bore on your DPE wheels, and how much were they if you don't mind me asking I'm wanting to pick up a set of their super concaves for my 2nd gen?

Thanks

The backspacing I use is simular as the rear on a C6 Z06. I use that on all four corners. The rear wheels are 13" wide and 9.25" back space. The fronts are 11.5" wide 8.5" back space. The wheels will be priced dependant on size and color choice. Mine are special made wheels that on not on the website. DPE does a great job with their wheels and and come up with many setups. $1200 per wheel is about average. Mine might be a bit more than that.

Cort, with Seever and Sons, is the man to talk to in Nor Cal if you need wheels. (925)463-3443
Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

Nice Add on the backside of the HotRod Cover .
How much camber were you running in the pick ? looks like a ton from that angle .Any chance you shortened the upper A arm and took some -camber out ? Just guessing here .

It was nice to see that ad when I opened up Hot Rod the other day.

My suspension is all custom Maier Racing suspension. The A Arms are actually fairly long, upper and lower. I run anywhere from 2.5 to 3.25 degrees of negative camber in the front. The rear is a solid axle Ford 9" with a Maier Racing 3-link with a Watts link.

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Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

Getting ready for 2012 and went to the first SCCA Autocross event of the year. I am looking forward to seeing everyone at RTTC in a few weeks.

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[70rs]

Wow, I NEVER get tired of seeing this car. Just awesome.

Did you buy or fabricate your hood? I noticed the "scoop" rises to one level and stays that way all the way back. The aftermarket cowl style hoods I've seen have a continuous rise that I don't care for. If you bought it, where from?

[camcojb]

Love that car Brian. :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Wow, I NEVER get tired of seeing this car. Just awesome.

Did you buy or fabricate your hood? I noticed the "scoop" rises to one level and stays that way all the way back. The aftermarket cowl style hoods I've seen have a continuous rise that I don't care for. If you bought it, where from?

The hood is from UP22. Typical of all the fiberglass hoods. We cut out the spine and lowered the hood to get the look I wanted. Here are some photos of the work we did.

Grinding down the raised body line

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Primed after modification

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[70rs]

The hood is from UP22. Typical of all the fiberglass hoods. We cut out the spine and lowered the hood to get the look I wanted. Here are some photos of the work we did.

Grinding down the raised body line

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3335.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3307.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3336.jpg

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Primed after modification

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/IMG_3386.jpg


Thanks for the info . You have a bunch of work into that hood. And it turned out really nice looking.

[73CPCAMARO]

We have over 1000 hours in the body and paint....and I still had to say, enough is enough :willy: :willy: :willy:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC_3569.jpg

Thanks,
Brian

[SLO_Z28]

Did you like the quality on the UP22 aka Unlimited Products hood? I've been on the fence about getting a L88 hood from them for some time now, the thing holding me back is knowing how much work some fiberglass panels take to get them to fit.

[73CPCAMARO]

Did you like the quality on the UP22 aka Unlimited Products hood? I've been on the fence about getting a L88 hood from them for some time now, the thing holding me back is knowing how much work some fiberglass panels take to get them to fit.

It was okay. The cowl was not even from left to right side near the windshield side. That was one of the reasons why we had to cut it down. Other than that, for fiberglass, it was okay. I believe there are better hoods out there. Since I was not fitting it to a Camaro with existing steel fenders, I do not know how the fitment would be.

Brian

[ironworks]

We have over 1000 hours in the body and paint....and I still had to say, enough is enough :willy: :willy: :willy:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC_3569.jpg

Thanks,
Brian

Brian - Your making it very difficult to not buy a 2nd gen Camaro and build this wild idea I have for a 72. Man that thing is bad. I love orange and I love 72 camaros.

What color did you use on this?

[Cris@JCG]

I got a rust free 71 sitting in back yard! Trade for LS parts.. :D

Brian - Your making it very difficult to not buy a 2nd gen Camaro and build this wild idea I have for a 72. Man that thing is bad. I love orange and I love 72 camaros.

What color did you use on this?

[Cris@JCG]

Lookingf forward to seeing you run this beast in weeks @ the Marina! See ya Soon!

Getting ready for 2012 and went to the first SCCA Autocross event of the year. I am looking forward to seeing everyone at RTTC in a few weeks.

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[Bucketlist2012]

Just Incredible..:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[linkstar69]

I stumbled onto this because of the rear suspension design but had to read the whole thing. Just amazing

[73CPCAMARO]

I found this video on Youtube today. Thanks for uploading! Not my fastest run, but cool to see.

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[RicerwannaB]

Just spent a good part of the day reading everyword in this thread, and all I have to say is, it is absolutely amazing! I need to get back out to the west coast so I can race in Feb!

[Macbuick]

Hi,
Nice to see your car in the french American Muscle Car Magazine !
Great article with many pictures....
Didier makes a great job (as always) featuring nice pro-touring and hot rod cars all over Europe in this french speaking mag. ( One, if not the best made mag in the world!, ......no, i'm not a french guy...)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2200/img0417vla.jpg

[ironworks]

Hi,
Nice to see your car in the french American Muscle Car Magazine !
Great article with many pictures....
Didier makes a great job (as always) featuring nice pro-touring and hot rod cars all over Europe in this french speaking mag. ( One, if not the best made mag in the world!, ......no, i'm not a french guy...)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2200/img0417vla.jpg

I agree. It would be nice if English magazines took notes from this one. They do a great job and find the best cars.

[Macbuick]

I agree. It would be nice if English magazines took notes from this one. They do a great job and find the best cars.

I should translate it and sell it in the USA :D

[mpozziCPL]

Agree and that mag is very cool. Any way of scanning the Optima coverage for us?

Mary Pozzi

[73CPCAMARO]

Hi,
Nice to see your car in the french American Muscle Car Magazine !
Great article with many pictures....
Didier makes a great job (as always) featuring nice pro-touring and hot rod cars all over Europe in this french speaking mag. ( One, if not the best made mag in the world!, ......no, i'm not a french guy...)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2200/img0417vla.jpg




Where did you find the magazine? Didier was to send me some copies.

I had a few different magazines approach me at OUSCI and I picked Didier to have my little spare time during the event. I had never seen his magazine until he showed me a copy. I thought it was very nicely done and since he came all the way from France to do it and he picked my car, I thought it was the least I could do.

Thanks for posting!

Brian

[Macbuick]

Where did you find the magazine? Didier was to send me some copies.

I had a few different magazines approach me at OUSCI and I picked Didier to have my little spare time during the event. I had never seen his magazine until he showed me a copy. I thought it was very nicely done and since he came all the way from France to do it and he picked my car, I thought it was the least I could do.

Thanks for posting!

Brian

I subscribe to the magazine.....:cool:

Didier is only covering US cars, Pro-Touring, Hot Rods, Gasser, events like Bonneville , GNRS, and so on .... he travels all the way mostly in CA and as his camera is full of pictures he prints a new mag every 2 month ...
He recently bought a 32 roadster that he called "the Lafayette Special"


You can join him on Facebook : http://www.facebook.com/AmericanMuscleCars.magazine

I will try to scan the OUSCI article ;)

[73CPCAMARO]

I had a great time at RTTC III despite busting my transmission on the first day right after lunch. I did get in a few runs on the autocross. They opened up the course a lot on Saturday, so we can't compare Friday's times to Saturdays.

Here is one of my runs on Friday on the tighter course. It was a 39.3xx


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[67zo6Camaro]

Brian, I thought you had a high 38 run on Fri?

Open up the track? seemed the same to me. Where did they move cones? because all the chalk lines were the same.

You did great out there as usual, would have loved to see you run in the head to head event at the end of Sat.

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, I thought you had a high 38 run on sat?

Open up the track? seemed the same to me. Where did they move cones? because all the chalk lines were the same.

You did great out there as usual, would have loved to see you run in the head to head event at the end of Sat.

I had a 38.6xx in Blu Balz. The track was the same going out but much faster coming back on Saturday. A few cones seems to be either moved or missing. The chaulk line was the same, but the apex cones were not in the original spot. They may not have been boxed chaulk lines for placement. I was able to go full throttle through much of the course coming back on Saturday because you did not have to turn as much. I went to some of the video I took and it confirmed my thoughts.

Brian

[Matt@BOS]

I had a 38.6xx in Blu Balz. The track was the same going out but much faster coming back on Saturday. A few cones seems to be either moved or missing. The chaulk line was the same, but the apex cones were not in the original spot. They may not have been boxed chaulk lines for placement. I was able to go full throttle through much of the course coming back on Saturday because you did not have to turn as much. I went to some of the video I took and it confirmed my thoughts.

Brian

I noticed that too. Just watching that clip makes me feel slow now. Great job out there wheeling all those cars around this weekend!

Matt

[Vegas69]

That's some insane driving. :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

That car makes me wet.

:unibrow:

[67zo6Camaro]

Ops I ment Fri.

Good Call, I'll go back and ck my Fri vids vs. Sat.

Anyway, you are one bad A** driver with one Sweet ride.

I had a 38.6xx in Blu Balz. The track was the same going out but much faster coming back on Saturday. A few cones seems to be either moved or missing. The chaulk line was the same, but the apex cones were not in the original spot. They may not have been boxed chaulk lines for placement. I was able to go full throttle through much of the course coming back on Saturday because you did not have to turn as much. I went to some of the video I took and it confirmed my thoughts.

Brian

[Flash68]

Nice "work" this weekend Brian. Was fun watching you big guns get in and out of others' cars during those fun run sessions.

Can't believe that G-Force trans grenaded, if that's indeed what happened. Last thing I woulda thought would give in that drivetrain. Keep us posted on that... I assume you're hoping (depending on the issue) to get it ready for Pleasanton in 2 weeks?

[73CPCAMARO]

My Dad and I pulled the transmission tonight and my hunch was correct. A mess of metal in the tranny.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/photo3.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/photo1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/photo.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/photo2.jpg

[GregWeld]

That's nasty Brian! Sorry it happened!


Was fun to chat with you and Mike!


:cheers:

[Flash68]

Brian, that sucks... any thoughts on how/why? What were you doing when it broke? That doesn't seem to make sense to me for what that tranny is capable of.

[TLWiltman]

Awesome car! Just found this thread yesterday and I have a quick question (also working toward a 73 CP car ;) ). What are the rules on the LS engine? I was under the impression that update/backdate was only within generations, or has that changed recently?

[SLO_Z28]

Awesome car! Just found this thread yesterday and I have a quick question (also working toward a 73 CP car ;) ). What are the rules on the LS engine? I was under the impression that update/backdate was only within generations, or has that changed recently?
Same engine "family", so Chevy Small Block V8 to Chevy Small Block V8.

[TLWiltman]

Same engine "family", so Chevy Small Block V8 to Chevy Small Block V8.

Thank you! I re-read the rules last night with that interpretation in mind. It was in the appendix for CP regarding "same manufacturer" and "same configuration". So glad the LX is legal!

I believe it was in the SCCA forums where I saw "Locally, it should be ok, but in nationals expect a protest"

[73CPCAMARO]

Thank you! I re-read the rules last night with that interpretation in mind. It was in the appendix for CP regarding "same manufacturer" and "same configuration". So glad the LX is legal!

I believe it was in the SCCA forums where I saw "Locally, it should be ok, but in nationals expect a protest"
]
The LS is legal in all Camaro's. Anyone can protest, but, they will lose. It is very clear in the rules and it has been discussed by the class on the CP Digest.

Brian

[TLWiltman]

MUAHAHAHAHA!!! :woot:

BTW, your car just became my new screen background. Previous screen savers include Tigman's camaro, and Big Red.

[Bucketlist2012]

What a Killer car you have..

That sucks about the tranny metal..

What tranny is it ?



Man you have one Killer Camaro.:thumbsup:

[TLWiltman]

IIRC, it's a g-force 4-speed

[57hemicuda]

I've got that same transmission in my Mustang. Everytime I jack that car up with the car in gear, and I can spin the tire a 1/4 of a turn back and forth, I think of how hard autoxing must be on those parts, and how the constant on and off of the throttle must stress the gears.

Apparently they are not indestructable, if you don't mind me asking Brian did it give any warning?, or just go into self destruct. I know its hard to tell with those transmissions because they are so noisey anyway. I have heard they are freshen it regularly whether it needs it or not parts. Love the car, good luck getting it back together. Ron

[73CPCAMARO]

I've got that same transmission in my Mustang. Everytime I jack that car up with the car in gear, and I can spin the tire a 1/4 of a turn back and forth, I think of how hard autoxing must be on those parts, and how the constant on and off of the throttle must stress the gears.

Apparently they are not indestructable, if you don't mind me asking Brian did it give any warning?, or just go into self destruct. I know its hard to tell with those transmissions because they are so noisey anyway. I have heard they are freshen it regularly whether it needs it or not parts. Love the car, good luck getting it back together. Ron

Ron,

I had no warning at all. I was going from 2nd to 3rd gear on the speed stop squared event when it let go. It was loud and ugly. Before it let go on Friday, it was working perfect. The GForce has less than one year on it. I shipped the transmission to Competition Transmissions and Gears in North Carolina. I am going to have them put the strongest gears possible in it.

Brian

[68protouring454]

Thats too bad brian, they usually stand up very well. I have a g force t101 thats was good all race year long, last year. If you know anybody i have a freshly built jericho close ratio built but competition tranny and gear in nc.
2.36,1.49,1.17, 1.00.
jake

[TLWiltman]

I remember reading somewhere that it's actually best to use drag race gears in an application like that. The rationale was that drag race gears are slightly softer and had better luck in dealing with the torque reversals and shock loads inherent in street driving. Not sure of the accuracy of that info, but it would be a question worth asking going forward.

[73CPCAMARO]

I remember reading somewhere that it's actually best to use drag race gears in an application like that. The rationale was that drag race gears are slightly softer and had better luck in dealing with the torque reversals and shock loads inherent in street driving. Not sure of the accuracy of that info, but it would be a question worth asking going forward.

The gears I had were not the road racing gears. Since that did not work for me, I am going to the road race gears. I am also changing the ratios to better fit the road courses.

[57hemicuda]

If you don't mind me asking, what are you changing from, and to. I'm running a 2.89 first with a 3.54 rear. I'm now changing the rear to a 3.18 to try and see if I can run the whole autox course in first gear, and make the car cruise alittle better with no overdrive.

[73CPCAMARO]

If you don't mind me asking, what are you changing from, and to. I'm running a 2.89 first with a 3.54 rear. I'm now changing the rear to a 3.18 to try and see if I can run the whole autox course in first gear, and make the car cruise alittle better with no overdrive.

I have a 3:70 rear. I am going from a 2.5 to 2.4 1st, 2 to 1.7 2nd, and 1.5 to 1.3 3rd.

I need a slightly taller 2nd gear and close the gap from 3rd to 4th gear for the road course. I really liked my 1.5 3rd gear, but it was a too far from 4th gear. I wish I got the 5 speed to start, but too much money for me.

[TLWiltman]

The gears I had were not the road racing gears. Since that did not work for me, I am going to the road race gears. I am also changing the ratios to better fit the road courses.

That sucks! I'll be keeping that in mind going forward as well.

[Flash68]

That sounds like a much better spread in ratios, Brian. I didn't think you'd be liking those splits when you posted them before... but I guess the new ratios will be a benefit of this bad situation for you.

Does your trans have an internal cooling pump?

[57hemicuda]

Yeah those 5 speeds are stupid money, can't really justify that. At first I was thinking the same ratios as you. Due to the lack of overdrive I'm trying to go at it from the other end. I'm 2.87/1.81/1.31/1, on the road course all I use is 3rd and 4th anyway, and I do like that spread. I think you'll be happy with the 1.30 third. My problem is autoxing, first is too low, and second is too high for my cams power band. That is why I'm putting the 3.18 rear gear in. The change will probably kick the crap out of my drag race times though.

Still can't beleive nobody has come out with a reasonably priced five speed, with some normal ratios, that will hold up. I'm sure you experienced the same thing Vinny and I did on the cruises with no O/D. Everyone else is cruising 80mph, my car really had its tongue hanging out taching 4K, Vin and I fell way at the back to the back of that pack.

If you think about it, it truely is harder then you think to build a car that can do everything well. There really has to be alot of compromise, it seems if it is a good 1/4 mile car, it won't autox, etc. etc. Its been fun, and expensive trying to figure it out. Good luck. Ron

[73CPCAMARO]

You are so right Ron. The first transmission gears were for autocross and being able to drive on the street. The first 3 gears were used on the faster autocrosses. Now, with a taller 2nd gear and 3rd gear, I will never see 3rd gear on an autocross. I have done a few more road courses and I want to do more. The spread from 3rd to 4th was too much. I will be shifting a lot between 1st and 2nd gear on some autocrosses. If the course has some super slow u turns, I may have to dump it into 1st gear to come off the corner and then go back to 2nd if it opens up. The beauty of this transmission is the ease of up and down shifting without the clutch.

As far as freeway driving, I can go up to 80 mph and keep it at 3500 rpm. I usualy cruise at 65 and that is 2900 rpm. No too bad. My rear tires are 28" tall.

[GregWeld]

You are so right Ron. The first transmission gears were for autocross and being able to drive on the street. The first 3 gears were used on the faster autocrosses. Now, with a taller 2nd gear and 3rd gear, I will never see 3rd gear on an autocross. I have done a few more road courses and I want to do more. The spread from 3rd to 4th was too much. I will be shifting a lot between 1st and 2nd gear on some autocrosses. If the course has some super slow u turns, I may have to dump it into 1st gear to come off the corner and then go back to 2nd if it opens up. The beauty of this transmission is the ease of up and down shifting without the clutch.

As far as freeway driving, I can go up to 80 mph and keep it at 3500 rpm. I usualy cruise at 65 and that is 2900 rpm. No too bad. My rear tires are 28" tall.


Brian -- Get 'er back together and bring it to the SAAC Thunderhill event @ the end of April.... while Gwen is tracking our car -- I can ride around with you! LOL --- OMG I wouldn't be able to stop talking..... :rofl: We're all staying at the Holiday Inn Express there in Willows.

[TLWiltman]

Yeah those 5 speeds are stupid money, can't really justify that. At first I was thinking the same ratios as you. Due to the lack of overdrive I'm trying to go at it from the other end. I'm 2.87/1.81/1.31/1, on the road course all I use is 3rd and 4th anyway, and I do like that spread. I think you'll be happy with the 1.30 third. My problem is autoxing, first is too low, and second is too high for my cams power band. The change will probably kick the crap out of my drag race times though.

Still can't beleive nobody has come out with a reasonably priced five speed, with some normal ratios, that will hold up. I'm sure you experienced the same thing Vinny and I did on the cruises with no O/D. Everyone else is cruising 80mph, my car really had its tongue hanging out taching 4K, Vin and I fell way at the back to the back of that pack.

If you think about it, it truely is harder then you think to build a car that can do everything well. There really has to be alot of compromise, it seems if it is a good 1/4 mile car, it won't autox, etc. etc. Its been fun, and expensive trying to figure it out. Good luck. Ron

I'll second this as well. I've been in the planning phases of my project off and on for some time, and those compromises have been the bane of my existence LOL! When I started accounting for where the money was going, I found it was the stuff trying to make the thing streetable that REALLY sucked up the money. Without having the "paint and body" skillset... So, I've kicked that part of the project out, for the most part. First priority's to make it safe and crashworthy, second is making it fast at this point. But ALWAYS in the back of my head is that "now if I can just...".

[preston]

I found it was the stuff trying to make the thing streetable that REALLY sucked up the money

Yeah that's the truth, not to mention trying to make it a race car and a street car these parts are always the ones adding weight too !

What do you guys have against using a Tremec TKO 5 speed ?
Are you sold on the jerico/t-101/g-force due to no clutch shifting ie dog gears ? And you can't afford the 5 spd version of the same ?

And the T56 is too heavy ?

I finally gave in and went with a T56 myself at a 30 lb weight penalty, although I also had good luck with a TKO.

[73CPCAMARO]

Yeah that's the truth, not to mention trying to make it a race car and a street car these parts are always the ones adding weight too !

What do you guys have against using a Tremec TKO 5 speed ?
Are you sold on the jerico/t-101/g-force due to no clutch shifting ie dog gears ? And you can't afford the 5 spd version of the same ?

And the T56 is too heavy ?

I finally gave in and went with a T56 myself at a 30 lb weight penalty, although I also had good luck with a TKO.

The Tremec is a good transission for the street, but not for racing, IMO. The gear ratios are not ideal and the shifting is not even close to as fast. Once you race with a Jerico or GForce, you will never go back. They are noisy for the street, but my car is not a daily driver. The 5 speed starts at $5300+ with shifter. I got my GForce for under $3500 commplete. Like I said before, I should have paid the extra and got the 5 speed in the beginning. It was one of those things when doing the build, everything was adding up really fast.

Brian

[Flash68]

What do you guys have against using a Tremec TKO 5 speed ?

I finally gave in and went with a T56 myself at a 30 lb weight penalty, although I also had good luck with a TKO.

The stock TKO is a horrible trans for quick shifting, high rpm shift, and as Brian said, has terrible gear spreads... do some searches.. it will become obvious quickly.

The Magnum T56 seems to be performing well in many applications in this niche.

Once you race with a Jerico or GForce, you will never go back.

:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Yep, I have a TKO for sale.:D It's to bad G Force or Jerico don't make something a little more docile with a real overdrive. I think it could be a huge seller. I really don't want the weight of the t56 and 6 gears isn't neccessary.

[57hemicuda]

My car started with a Muncie which I loved the gear spread, broke it on the first outing, then it got a TKO600 which I didn't like the gear spread, and under extreme duress didn't like hitting third gear. I love racing the t101a, but don't like everytime I take someone for an easy cruise and they think its broken LOL

[Flash68]

I love racing the t101a, but don't like everytime I take someone for an easy cruise and they think its broken LOL

Ron, I actually love that part of it. :D

[conekiller13]

Did you like the quality on the UP22 aka Unlimited Products hood? I've been on the fence about getting a L88 hood from them for some time now, the thing holding me back is knowing how much work some fiberglass panels take to get them to fit.

I know this is a little late but I had to chime in My experience with unlimited fiberglass products. I purchased an L-88 hood from them for My Chevelle and the only thing that was unlimited was the amount of problems with both the product and the customer service. I can't say enough bad things about that company. It was certainly not the cheapest option. When I received the hood the fitment was so bad you could put your fist between the hood and the fender on the driver side. The edges were unfinished and separating. The gelcoat looked like it had been dragged across the factory floor, the underside was unfinished. When I called to express My concerns I was told I could pay to ship it back ($100) and they would evaluate it. If the thought is met their standards I would have to pay to ship it back. If they agreed it was defective they would send me another (me still paying for shipping) in 6-12 weeks. So either way I was out another $200 and maybe three months. I ended up spending a bunch of time trying to fix it. That whole experience was 10 years ago and was disappointing I still have the motivation to type all this and dissuade some one from shopping with them.

Steer clear.


Brian, your car still kicks ass and I wanna see it up here in July for Tour.

[73CPCAMARO]

I got the transmision back from Competition Transmissions and Gears in North Carolina this week. I changed the gearing to a better setup for the road courses. I ended up with 2.24, 1.73, 1.30, 1.0 gears. My Dad and I just finished installing it and my Daughter and I took it for a spin to make sure all it good...and it is!

I will be driving Blu Balz in Las Vegas next week and then back to my Camaro for a few local events and the Goodguys in June at the Pleasanton Fairgrounds.

[Sieg]

Good to hear! Look forward to hearing how BB does in Vegas. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

sounds like a great choice of new ratios... what rear end gear you running?

[Cris@JCG]

Does this mean I finally get to drive her? :lol: See you next weekend!


I got the transmision back from Competition Transmissions and Gears in North Carolina this week. I changed the gearing to a better setup for the road courses. I ended up with 2.24, 1.73, 1.30, 1.0 gears. My Dad and I just finished installing it and my Daughter and I took it for a spin to make sure all it good...and it is!

I will be driving Blu Balz in Las Vegas next week and then back to my Camaro for a few local events and the Goodguys in June at the Pleasanton Fairgrounds.

[73CPCAMARO]

sounds like a great choice of new ratios... what rear end gear you running?

I have 3.70 rear ratio. We will see how it is. I may go to a 3.89 if 2nd gear is a bit too tall. I like to run 2nd gear on most autocross courses. 1st gear will be good for the peanut Goodguys courses or slow portions of other autocross courses. The beauty of this transmission is that it is so easy to shift up and down (no clutch).

[MikeC40]

Is glass flush mounted? classic auto glass innovations? or custom

[73CPCAMARO]

Is glass flush mounted? classic auto glass innovations? or custom

The glass is just mounted with a rubber molding around it. I did not use the factory trim.

[MikeC40]

what rubber molding..stock? Sorry for picking ur brain, but im building a 71 and want to flush mount my glass and the after market kit with new retro glass is higher than a giraffes a$$....lol

[73CPCAMARO]

what rubber molding..stock? Sorry for picking ur brain, but im building a 71 and want to flush mount my glass and the after market kit with new retro glass is higher than a giraffes a$$....lol

That's why I did not go that route. It is just generic window moulding just about any installed would have.

[SLO_Z28]

You gonna do the AAS thing at Buttonwillow at the end of next month? I was watching the videos of that, and it looked fun! If not I'll probably be at Good Guys at Pleasanton. I'm going to the National Tour this weekend and there's only one other camaro:willy:

[73CPCAMARO]

You gonna do the AAS thing at Buttonwillow at the end of next month? I was watching the videos of that, and it looked fun! If not I'll probably be at Good Guys at Pleasanton. I'm going to the National Tour this weekend and there's only one other camaro:willy:

My goal is to go to Buttonwillow for AAS and I am definately going to the Goodguys events. See you there!

Brian

[kainzien]

I just checked out the whole thread.. Man that car is killer! And Mast Motorsports is in my home town, so I hit up my buddies that work there and told them that one of the baddest sec gen camaros EVER is powered by a Mast lsx.

:hail:

[Flash68]

My goal is to go to Buttonwillow for AAS and I am definately going to the Goodguys events. See you there!

Brian

Speaking of BW.... you still thinking of joining us in Sept? :thumbsup:

Drag Mike M out there too.

[GregWeld]

Speaking of BW.... you still thinking of joining us in Sept? :thumbsup:

Drag Mike M out there too.



Good idea Dave! We can use their lines and our times should surely improve!!

I don't mind going to school on those two!

Plus I'd love Mike to drive the Mutt and see what he thinks!


:woot:

[73CPCAMARO]

Good idea Dave! We can use their lines and our times should surely improve!!

I don't mind going to school on those two!

Plus I'd love Mike to drive the Mutt and see what he thinks!


:woot:

I would love to go there with you guiys in September, but Mike and I plan on just coming home from beautiful Nebraska at that time. Too bad the dates don't work for us.

I am going to a private event at Thunderhill in June. That is a fun track we should meet at one day. I guess ASCS is not happening this year?

Brian

[Flash68]

I would love to go there with you guiys in September, but Mike and I plan on just coming home from beautiful Nebraska at that time. Too bad the dates don't work for us.

I am going to a private event at Thunderhill in June. That is a fun track we should meet at one day. I guess ASCS is not happening this year?

Brian

Bummer.

Yeah "Run to the Bay" would have been announced by now I would sure think.

I am definitely going to Buttonwillow one of these days. Great track.

[SLO_Z28]

I ran across this picture on another forum:
http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/SLO_Z28/_J5V6162-Version2.jpg
Car is looking good man.

[Bucketlist2012]

That is one mean looking car...

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[SLO_Z28]

Also, I just found your car on the Evolution Super Shoot Out website:
http://www.evolutionsupershootout.com/

That thing is everywhere :lol:

[73CPCAMARO]

Chevyhardcore.com just did a really cool article on my Camaro. Check it out.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/BRIANHOBAUGH.jpg

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/

[Sieg]

Congrats Brian, I can't hear and read too much about your unique 2nd Gen. :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

That was a fun read Brian. Congrats on the ink...:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Nice Brian! You deserve some print!


:cheers:

[dunnjun]

Congrats Brian, I can't hear and read too much about your unique 2nd Gen. :thumbsup:

Ditto on that! That was like the expanded cliff notes on the build, a great read. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, but the parts are so darn interesting!:thumbsup:

[Hotwhilz]

Hi Brian, you are also in the french press (American Muscle), I'll dig out the article and post it up!
All I got to say is great car good numbers, and it makes the french crowd looking at vintage us car in a different way!

[Vegas69]

That was a great read. One hell of a car!:cheers:

[SLO_Z28]

Did you see you were on Hot Rod TV last night with the title "Autocross Champion"? Thats a pretty badass title to have!

[73CPCAMARO]

Did you see you were on Hot Rod TV last night with the title "Autocross Champion"? Thats a pretty badass title to have!

I saw that. I thought that was kind of funny and cool to see. The show was a great 30 spot for DSE. The Tuckers are great people and and it nice to see success for them. Their phones should be off the hook after that show.

[coolwelder62]

Chevyhardcore.com just did a really cool article on my Camaro. Check it out.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/BRIANHOBAUGH.jpg

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/Orange Camaro's Rock.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I read a lot of crappy articles on cars, but that was not one of them. :D

Congrats Brian. :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Had a blast at the Pleasanton Goodguys Autocross this past weekend. Here are some videos I shot from the sides of the car.

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[intocarss]

I't's like a giant slot car,,,,,,,,,, HAULZ AZZ AND STICKS :thumbsup: :woot:

[coolwelder62]

Brian,Very Smooth.:thumbsup:

[Wayne S]

Just went through the whole thread. Awesome build! It gave me some tips and inspiration for my '70 Camaro build. :thumbsup:

[dunnjun]

Diggin the videos Brian.:thumbsup: The car looks like it's working great. The tires sound like basketball shoes sqeaking on a wood court.

[jr2226]

awesome looks like lots of fun . thinking my new nash metro maybe built for throwing it around and having a blast .we were up in ga for the chevy highperformance nats showing my camaro and they had some autocross going on the bug bit me .hahaha:lol: :thumbsup:

[protour73]

awesome looks like lots of fun . thinking my new nash metro maybe built for throwing it around and having a blast .we were up in ga for the chevy highperformance nats showing my camaro and they had some autocross going on the bug bit me .hahaha:lol: :thumbsup:Hey Ed, if you get that beautiful car on the autocross course, I want video proof or it didn't happen!! LOL :unibrow:

[sixnina]

All I can say is wow! Just read entire thread! Are you gonna be at the next marina event aas in a week or so. Great job!
Shane

[73CPCAMARO]

All I can say is wow! Just read entire thread! Are you gonna be at the next marina event aas in a week or so. Great job!
Shane

Shane,

I will be there on July 8th. The Camaro will be sporting brand new 16" Goodyear slicks. First time ever on my car. The AAS events are the best around. Please come say hi.

Brian

[Flash68]

The Camaro will be sporting brand new 16" Goodyear slicks.

Oooh I love that! What wheels? :thumbsup:

[conekiller13]

16" Slicks? Nice. Are those the same ones that Stagnaro uses? Does that require a change in brakes? Lastly, why the change?

[73CPCAMARO]

16" Slicks? Nice. Are those the same ones that Stagnaro uses? Does that require a change in brakes? Lastly, why the change?

Yes, the same Stagnaro and Maier use.

I have run on Hoosier and Goodyear radials and they have their benefits and drawbacks. They both work great with cooler track temps. The slip angles are not nearly what the 16" bias ply slicks are. The slicks work amazing when temps are over 70+ degrees. When 90 degrees, they are a world apart.

The car was built with running the 16" in mind. That is why the rotors are 12". I will post some photos later with the 16" wheels on the car.

Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

Oooh I love that! What wheels? :thumbsup:

They are "Real Wheels". Nothing fancing. Super light and not too expensive. I will post photos later.

Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

Yes, the same Stagnaro and Maier use.

I have run on Hoosier and Goodyear radials and they have their benefits and drawbacks. They both work great with cooler track temps. The slip angles are not nearly what the 16" bias ply slicks are. The slicks work amazing when temps are over 70+ degrees. When 90 degrees, they are a world apart.

The car was built with running the 16" in mind. That is why the rotors are 12". I will post some photos later with the 16" wheels on the car.

Brian

Here is a photo with the new shoes on.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/realwheels1-1.jpg

[scottysimp7]

New shoes look killer! Love the old school look with the yellow lettering. Makes me think of Kenny Rogers and "Six Pack" the movie. Looks good :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

oh heck yeah. most guys are going up in diameter. you go down. love it.

[Vegas69]

That's the best your car has ever looked. :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Here is another shot. It is hard to take in the garage. I am really looking forward to seeing how it does this Sunday.

Thanks for the :thumbsup:

Brian

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/realwheels2-1.jpg

[coolwelder62]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: I think those tire's are softer than 200 TW.:lol:

[89 RS]

The new wheel/tire package is awesome. :thumbsup:
I'll echo Dave's thoughts, I love how you do your own thing and not just what "everybody" is doing.

[SLO_Z28]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/realwheels1-1.jpg

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/SLO_Z28/PT%20project%20thread/suc.gif

[secondgencamaro]

Sick build! :thumbsup: What hood is that?

[73CPCAMARO]

Sick build! :thumbsup: What hood is that?

Thanks,

Here is the page I talk about it.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23997&page=80

[camcojb]

some hood info here:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23997&page=14

[secondgencamaro]

Thanks,

Here is the page I talk about it.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=23997&page=80

Cool! I'm actually running the same hood. How was the quality of your hood before the mods? The underside of mine wasn't properly glassed in and causes it to bow up in the middle and the scoop is also uneven.

[73CPCAMARO]

Cool! I'm actually running the same hood. How was the quality of your hood before the mods? The underside of mine wasn't properly glassed in and causes it to bow up in the middle and the scoop is also uneven.

My hood was probably the same way as yours. We spent a lot of time on this hood. It was not even, so we cut it down. More on one side than the other. We also removed the spine and added a body line down the center.

Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

I found a video of one of my runs from the last Pleasanton Goodguys Autocross.

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[73CPCAMARO]

Here is a video that was posted on Youtube after the Goodguys Autocross in November, the week after SEMA and OUSCI.

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[69Pressurized]

Awesome Car! Love the look

[73CPCAMARO]

Been getting the Camaro ready to go back to Nebraska for the SCCA Solo II National Championship the first week of September. We are running the Goodyear slicks and the car is really close. Here are a few photos of the car and an in car video from this past weekends American Autocross Series event in Marina, CA.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC_6519-Copy.jpg

I don't think we can lower the front anymore!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC_6353-Copy.jpg

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[Ron in SoCal]

Car looks great Brian; vid is smokin hot!!

Have fun in Nebraska. I know you'll represent Lateral-G well...:cheers:

[Flash68]

Dang that looks crazy mean with those new wheels. One of a kind man. Good luck in the Corn State. :thumbsup:

[JohnC]

Good Luck in Nebraska, Brian! You've made one serious machine...

..One of, if not my favorite 2nd gen camaro on the planet:thumbsup:

John

[Sieg]

Car looks and sounds like money in the video. Good luck in Nebraska. :thumbsup:

[SLO_Z28]

I saw that the nationals contingencys are up,I think its safe to say you have this one in the bag:
http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/assets/12-Black%20Magic-Solo-NC.pdf

[Stielow]

Good luck in NE car looks great.

Mark

[89 RS]

Car sounds great Brian, good luck in Nebraska.

[Mr.Vintage]

You've done a real nice job on this 2nd gen :thumbsup: Thanks for sharing all pics and video's.

[73CPCAMARO]

I have my Camaro in the Wilwood Disc Brakes booth at the Pleasanton Goodguys. This has been a very busy and nice show. Wilwood's booth is across from Maier Racing's booth and Mikes Mustang.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/camaroatPtownwilwood2.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/camaroatPtownwilwood3.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/camaroatPtownwilwood3withMaier.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Car looked good out there Brian, looks better at speed though :D

[Rick D]

Very nice Brian :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Just got back from the SCCA Solo National Championship in Lincoln, Nebraska. Mike Maier won our class in his 1992 Mustang and I finished 2nd. We had 39 competitors from around the country. CP is the best class in SCCA and everyone had a great time.

Now that I am back, the slicks come off and the street tires back on. There is about two good months of some local car shows and get togethers. Then off to SEMA.

Here is some photos from this past week.

My Dad, Steve.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC09476.jpg

Me
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC09538.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC00097.jpg

[Sieg]

Congrats Brian!

Historic 2 Gen Camaro IMO, I hope to see it in person someday. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Good stuff Brian!! Hey! And Mike too!

Tell Dad I say hi!

See you guys at SEMA...

[j-rho]

Very well done Brian, superb finish for the car's first time to the big show. Was checking your times will helping out my buddy in BSP on the opposite course - looks like you had some scratch times on day 1 that would've put you right there. Keep at it, you'll be giving Mikie a run for his $ in no time!

--Jason Rhoades
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build but #83 SS for this year...

[73CPCAMARO]

Very well done Brian, superb finish for the car's first time to the big show. Was checking your times will helping out my buddy in BSP on the opposite course - looks like you had some scratch times on day 1 that would've put you right there. Keep at it, you'll be giving Mikie a run for his $ in no time!

--Jason Rhoades
http://www.rhoadescamaro.com/build but #83 SS for this year...

Jason,

I could not keep it clean the first two runs each day. Both days third runs were just to keep 2nd. I chose to try to stay close and give myself a shot on the second day. Mike pulled out a killer run on his third run on the first day. From that point, it was all about getting 2nd. My scratch 2nd run was actually better than Mikes on the first day. Mike drove very fast and clean both days.

The great thing about living in the same area as Maier, I get to compete against him, the 5 time champ, all the time.

Thanks,
Brian

[73CPCAMARO]

Perry Bennett, an outstanding photographer, took some cool shots of my car. Check out his site also:

http://perrybennett.com/photography/?page_id=385


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC00301.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC00280.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC00235.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSC00238.jpg

Brian

[Flash68]

Nice job Brian! And Mike too. You boys cleaned house.

Those shots of your car are freakin fantastic. :thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Its funny Brian, with the Wilwood wrap it almost looks like a normal second gen. Until you see that pic running down the side of the car, and then WOW is that thing wide. Love the car, Ron

[73CPCAMARO]

Here is a video of one of my runs.

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Brian

[89 RS]

Congrats on the runs Brian. :thumbsup:
Those are some cool pics as well.

[Ron in SoCal]

What a great vid...:cheers:

[dunnjun]

That video was incredible!!!! :wow: Congratulations for you and mike:thumbsup:
Did many people get lost on the track early? One of my problems :)

[73CPCAMARO]

Just a few weeks away from SEMA and OUSCI! Street tires are back on and I have been doing some final testing and adjustments. Going to Thunderhill for one more track day to get me and the car up to speed. This year I changed a few things to improve the car. The car should be better in all 4 categories. See you guys in Las Vegas!

Brian

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSCN0887.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/DSCN0883-Copy.jpg

[ma73z]

:faint: Every time I see your car I just have to stare at it for a while and dream. Seriously Brian you have built one badass and beautiful car. Good luck in Vegas. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[OVRKILL]

Love me some second gen.....:drool:

[scottysimp7]

Good luck in Vegas. Your camaro is a beautiful piece of art that pulls 3G's!!! (Or close to 3 G's?) Gotta love:hail: white knuckles and exhaust fumes!

[WSSix]

Love it! Good luck Brian.

[70rs]

:faint: Every time I see your car I just have to stare at it for a while and dream. Seriously Brian you have built one badass and beautiful car. Good luck in Vegas. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

X2! Awesome Camaro!

[Flash68]

Lookin great Brian. Go get em. :thumbsup:

[73CPCAMARO]

Went to Thunderhill last Friday for the last practice before OUSCI. I have made some small changes since last time out and they seemed to work out good. I was able to run 2:03's with no traffic and a couple 2:02's. Between the car and me getting better, I have shaved off 4 seconds since last time out. I did not want to damage the car this close to SEMA and OUSCI, so I only drove about 9/10's.

On the second video at the 6:00 mark, check out the near miss collision with a guy trying to get out of my way. He dropped the right side off the track and almost went into me while I was going about 100 mph. Needless to say, I just about **** my pants when this happened.

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[GregWeld]

The late model Mustang is Charley's buddy Jack Mauer... and he's also the guy that built my Mustang. That was too close for comfort! Wow!


Nice runs by the way....



See ya in a couple weeks!:cheers:

[ryeguy2006a]

Those Videos are too cool!!

[73CPCAMARO]

The late model Mustang is Charley's buddy Jack Mauer... and he's also the guy that built my Mustang. That was too close for comfort! Wow!


Nice runs by the way....



See ya in a couple weeks!:cheers:

I met him prior to this and he is a really nice guy. He tried to move over and be nice. It was just a bit scary for both of us.

Brian

[chetly]

Brian, do you run out of gear on the front stretch if pushing it?

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, do you run out of gear on the front stretch if pushing it?

I was hitting the limiter just at the end of the straight on a a good run. That is about 142 mph. If I was running a sticky tire, I would not make it. Coming off turn 15 is a bit scary with the street tires. I roll off the corner in 3rd and squeeze it to the floor once it is straight. I lift off the throttle between the end of the pit wall and the start finish line. I could go a bit deeper, but not worth it for me at this point. With sticky tires, I would come off 15 much harder and go into 1 deeper. I would need a 150+ final gear.

Brian

[chetly]

I wonder if your car would be any faster if you ditched the 19/20's Pilots and went with the Kumho Excta XS in 315/35/18 all around...

Especially for the auto-x

nevermind, to short and 180 tread wear

[Vegas69]

Good luck this year Brian. :cheers:

[Flash68]

Love these vids. Lookin good and lots left in her. :unibrow:

Yeah Jack is a great guy and it's a shame that Weld got a hold of that car... look what he did to it last time out. :rofl:

and ditto -- good luck Brian. I'd love to see you pull out a win over those other guys next month. :cheers:

[Cris@JCG]

Looking good Brian.. Looking forward to seeing you next week.. Todd is buying the beers! :D

We just did a Mast 416 here @ the shop that has staight cut gears on a T56.. Luv the whine sound on the transmission! but need to use a clutch.. Can hear it on your videos..

[InfernalVortex]

Probably already mentioned, or just already known. But even though Ive read most of the thread, I never saw it.

I LOVE this car. Incredible build, thanks for sharing. A lot of really nice work and really nice ideas and a good vision came together perfectly.

But I was watching youtube and.... Is this you at 1:12-1:15?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGvaA35RqB8

[73CPCAMARO]

Probably already mentioned, or just already known. But even though Ive read most of the thread, I never saw it.

I LOVE this car. Incredible build, thanks for sharing. A lot of really nice work and really nice ideas and a good vision came together perfectly.

But I was watching youtube and.... Is this you at 1:12-1:15?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGvaA35RqB8

Thanks for the nice words and that is me in the back at 1:12... I broke before lunch on the first day. I drove Maier's Mustang and Blu Balz the rest of RTTC.

Brian

[FETorino]

Watching Brian on the big track at OUSCI was a treat. This car and driver are FAST FAST FAST. :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

A big Congrat's go out too Brian for finishing 2nd @ OUSCI.He was super fast,His Camaro looked awesome standing still,as well out there out the track.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Orange Camaro's ROCK.:hail:

[Vegas69]

Congrats on your 2nd place finish Brian. :cheers:

[Sieg]

A big Congrat's go out too Brian for finishing 2nd @ OUSCI.He was super fast,His Camaro looked awesome standing still,as well out there out the track.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Orange Camaro's ROCK.:hail:Awesome news! :thumbsup: Did Danny have an incident or was he just out-gunned?

[Flash68]

Congrats Brian. Heard you ripped it up on the road course especially. :thumbsup:

Awesome news! :thumbsup: Did Danny have an incident or was he just out-gunned?

Heard there was a DNF of some kind.

[FETorino]

Congrats Brian. Heard you ripped it up on the road course especially. :thumbsup:



Heard there was a DNF of some kind.

We watched something pretty big fly out from underneath Danny's car at the end of the back straight then he coasted off the track. :(

I think Brian was fastest on the big course.:thumbsup:

[sik68]

I clocked Brian fast lap at 1:46.2, and several other guys with watches had you within a tenth of that. First lap was fastest in both of his runs from what I was clocking.

Fun watching you on the Autox as well! Stielow 40.5, Hobaugh 40.7, Popp 40.9 if I recall?

[73CPCAMARO]

Thank you to everyone that has supported me. I had a great time SEMA week and at the OUSCI. With the help of so many people, I was able to finish 2nd, and just behind one of the best cars ever built, Mark Stielow's Mayhem. It is an honor to be mentioned in the same company as Mark and his car.

I had an incredible time meeting more of you guys from this forum and the other one in person. Seeing the cars and people up close and personal is one of the big highlights for me.

OUSCI 2012 was another great event. Each year it gets bigger and better. I am very lucky to have been a part of this event the last two years. I can only hope I will be able to do it again in either this car or another.

I told Jimi and Cam that whoevers idea it was to have the umbrella girls needs big props. Best idea of them all!

Brian

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/ugiirls2photo.jpg

[73CPCAMARO]

Here is an in car video I took of my road course run. My best lap was my first timed lap, lap #2. The tires were getting a bit hot and greasy after lap 2. I also overshot corner #3 on lap 3. The sun was getting low and it was very hard to pick up any braking points. The rear end was locking up due to too much rear brake bias. I had more dialed in for the autocross and forgot to adjust it for the road course. I love this track and hope to drive it again.

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[gerno]

Great video. Very cool watching you run the car all out. As a spectator I've seen you at the Mather and Goodguys autocross but it's a much diffent perspecitve to see inside the car, on a big course with no traffic during a competition. :hail:

[GregWeld]

Brian,


As always... it was great to see you and your Dad again. Amazing car - amazing driving...

#2 was only a hair splitting distance from being #1.... you should be proud as hell! If there were 55 entires I'd be happy to come in #56! :lol:

[srh3trinity]

What is the HP difference between your car and Mayhem? From what I saw, the gap was pretty narrow.

[73CPCAMARO]

What is the HP difference between your car and Mayhem? From what I saw, the gap was pretty narrow.

I have 611 hp at the crank, 518 to the rear wheels. Mark says 875 hp.

When I drove Mike Maier's Mustang with 825 hp, night and day to my car.

Brian

[srh3trinity]

I have 611 hp at the crank, 518 to the rear wheels. Mark says 875 hp.

When I drove Mike Maier's Mustang with 825 hp, night and day to my car.

Brian

That gap says a lot for the car you put together and your driving ability.

[SBDave]

Nice to meet you at SEMA, the 73 looked awesome!

Dave

[gnx7]

Love this Camaro. I saw it at Maier Racing when Mike was working on it. My jaw dropped and liked what I saw in terms of fab work, suspension, those flared fenders.... and pretty much everything else about the car :thumbsup:

Looks like it did pretty well at Thunderhill. With the proper rear gear and some sticky tires it will do 1:5x's easily.

Congrats at the OUSI event on a good finish. My buddy is Filip from Cortex Racing with the LS7 powered '65 Mustang.

[73CPCAMARO]

Here is video from behind the seats. The glare on the windshield prevents you from seeing the track. I had not put a camera here before. Oh well. It is different to watch myself driving. The wheel hop was killing me. Too much rear brake bias! I am still kicking myself for not adjusting it.

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[Rybar]

I have 611 hp at the crank, 518 to the rear wheels. Mark says 875 hp.
Brian

I mean I'm a huge Steilow fan, but this is impressive. Awesome runs and congrats again! :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Love it!

I've driven that track so it was fun to try to imagine where you were... Sadly I was 5 turns back from you! :lol: :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I'd say your advantage in front tire and weight makes it a pretty fair fight between the cars. It must be since it came down to less than .1.:D

[73CPCAMARO]

I'd say your advantage in front tire and weight makes it a pretty fair fight between the cars. It must be since it came down to less than .1.:D

I have a bigger tire, but the weight advantage is only about 175 lbs if Mark told me the truth. :D

[Payton King]

Was not sure if that was brake bias or your down shifting without the clutch...now I know

[73CPCAMARO]

My buddy played around a bit with his new phone app. Here are some cool shots from OUSCI.


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/PaperArtist_2012-11-29_12-44-10.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/PaperArtist_2012-11-29_12-44-55.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/PaperArtist_2012-11-29_12-45-19.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/PaperArtist_2012-11-29_12-23-12.jpg

[Sieg]

Pic 2 works :thumbsup:

The audio in this video is too good! Absolutely love the sound of that Mast motor through the range. :thumbsup:
You're running the SS 605hp??
Here is video from behind the seats. The glare on the windshield prevents you from seeing the track. I had not put a camera here before. Oh well. It is different to watch myself driving. The wheel hop was killing me. Too much rear brake bias! I am still kicking myself for not adjusting it.

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[73CPCAMARO]

Pic 2 works :thumbsup:

The audio in this video is too good! Absolutely love the sound of that Mast motor through the range. :thumbsup:
You're running the SS 605hp??

Yes, it is the Mast Motorsports LS3 416 SS 605 hp. Great power and range. That is why I picked this motor. For what I do, it is enough power.
I had a few people come to me and ask if it was 700+ hp. The trick is coming off the corner and throttle up as early as possible.

Brian

[Flash68]

Brian, is that a HANS device I see in that video?

[Sieg]

Yes, it is the Mast Motorsports LS3 416 SS 605 hp. Great power and range. That is why I picked this motor. For what I do, it is enough power.
I had a few people come to me and ask if it was 700+ hp. The trick is coming off the corner and throttle up as early as possible.

Brian
It sounds like it has a generous amount of usable over-rev?
Also, what did ECM are you using?

All said that motor package appears hard to argue IMO.

Congrats again on your Optima results. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Brian -- I just wish you were half as good at video as you are at driving!

:lol:


Of course, this is coming from a guy that sucks at both of those!

[GregWeld]

Brian, is that a HANS device I see in that video?



Hey! Don't be adding to your "wish list" --- stick to just getting that old pig up and running... When you go real fast -- THEN you get to buy protective clothing and safety gear and such!


:wow: :lol:

[Flash68]

Hey you! Just trying to see who's a daredevil and who's conscious about safety. The HANS Nazi (Jer Dog) should be posting here any minute. :D

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, is that a HANS device I see in that video?

Dave, yes it is. I am kind of a safety nut. I have an Alpinestars suit and under garments, shoes, and Sparco gloves. The HANS is a must at the speeds we run on a road course, IMO. Spring Mountain is kind of slow, for most of the track. But, we are doing 130+ down the back stretch.

Brian

[glassman]

Brian, that your new shop going in at the old kassabians?

My office is right by there.

Love your car, as u can tell, I,m biased lol.

Friend of mine, chuck petty, I guess used to auto cross with u and ur dad.

Mike

[Flash68]

Brian, that your new shop going in at the old kassabians?



Funny I was wondering the same thing when I drove by there last weekend and saw the sign. I forgot Kassabian's had moved. Or closed. I dunno.

[73CPCAMARO]

Brian, that your new shop going in at the old kassabians?

My office is right by there.

Love your car, as u can tell, I,m biased lol.

Friend of mine, chuck petty, I guess used to auto cross with u and ur dad.

Mike

Mike,

My old shop in Dublin is moving across the street soon. We bought the building. I moved to our new Fremont shop 3 years ago.

Chuck is a great guy. My Dad and I raced for years with him.

Brian

[Flash68]

Dave, yes it is. I am kind of a safety nut. I have an Alpinestars suit and under garments, shoes, and Sparco gloves. The HANS is a must at the speeds we run on a road course, IMO. Spring Mountain is kind of slow, for most of the track. But, we are doing 130+ down the back stretch.

Brian

I agree Brian. We spend so much on performance items, safety should be added to the priority list.

Big Willow was 130-135 (with my previous motor) down the front stretch with a 100+ mph turn leading into it. Lots of bad can happen with that.

Greg, you got a wicked fast car and you're getting faster (I've seen you). You listening? :unibrow:

[glassman]

Brian, what's happening with the current one you have on Dublin blvd? (Used to be galluchis, we bid on the storefronts) I'd be interested in it if it came up on the market....

Mike

[mikespeed95]

Top secret info!

You are about to become every 10-40 year old male's hero.

Congrats dude!

[73CPCAMARO]

Camaro Performers February 2013 issue just arrived and they have written a great feature on my car. Thank you Nick and Steven!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j188/bdjhob/camaroperformerscover_zps0a29c761.jpg

Brian

[JohnC]

Wow! Huge cover shot... Great car that deserves it.

Congratulations, Brian.:thumbsup:

John

[GregWeld]

Those two (Nick and Steve) are sluts --- they'll do anyone but Vegas69....



Congrats Brian!! You know we all love you and your car ain't bad either. :thumbsup:

[Sandbagger]

100 pages :geezer: :geezer:

[FETorino]

Congratulations. Loved watching You wheel that thing to the fastest lap at OPTIMA:thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Congrats! Very deserving car and driver. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Those two (Nick and Steve) are sluts --- they'll do anyone but Vegas69....



Congrats Brian!! You know we all love you and your car ain't bad either. :thumbsup:

:lol: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Congrats Brian. One of the best executed cars around. Period. :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

collectors edition to boot. nice job brian.

[Rod P]

well done Mister Hobaugh, well done sir :thumbsup:

[James OLC]

Congratulations Brian - well deserved! :thumbsup: