And Penny just keeps on changing...

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,
I think the continuation of return winners is great. It gives the other nominees showing up a chance to beat the title cars. I also feel the way Optima invites are picked is somewhat fair but why not chose a car from each event (GG, Motorstate, etc.) or would that be too many to fill the ticket. IMO the winner should be invited for years to come until beaten or in your case retire LOL.
The rebirthing of Penny is coming along sweet Steve, what made you decide on changing out the shocks for the Penske's.
Maybe I missed your explanation in the rebuild thread or is it a status, got to have them situation :yes:

Yea, it's fun to go back.. to be honest if we wouldn't have lost a PS pump we would have came in third overall.. if the rules were like they will be this year (where you get points for placing instead of an added time) we would have finished second behind the Cobra.. So Penny isn't quite past her prime yet.

Many of the events like Motorstate and such ARE qaulifier events.. So you wish has come true.

The switch to Penske is because they are willing to work with us to make a shock to fit the car. None of the "off the shelf" Bilstien sizes are working in our wierd application. The delay is that F1 called our guy to Europe and since they spend a bit more $$$.. lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Penny's last engine... well, at least final for a LONG time..

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We start the machine work early next week.. everything is here, sorted and ready to go in. Only thing I'm waiting for is the custom Canton pan to be finished.

Install on August 26th at the latest.. then ready for the Holley LS-Fest and RTTH events.

[coolwelder62]

Wow!! going w/penske's I think they will make a big differant's.All the SCCA guy's I know say they really work.Good luck.:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

OK Steve, need info on this new motor. :yes: :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

OK Steve, need info on this new motor. :yes: :thumbsup:

RHS short deck block - 4.155 bore
Mast Motorsports 12-degree LS7 bad ass heads
Lunati Pro Crank - 4.250 stroke
Lunati Pro I-beam rods - 6.125"
Weisco pistons (11.3:1) designed for the stroke
ARP everything
FAST 102mm LS3 style intake
Mike Norris ported TB and transition ring
CHE bushed LS7 rockers
COMP vertical bar lifters, pushrods, timing chain, etc
Moroso oil pump

We have two camshafts to try.. one is really snotty.. both are hyd.

The smaller is a just a touch bigger than the one in my 454.. the other is.. well.. bigger

Thought it would be fun to see the power differences.

Displacement is 461 cubes.. With the big cam we should be over 700.. no idea on torque but more than I need.

I will say the finish work on this RHS block is pretty damn impressive

[Ron in SoCal]

That RHS block is pure sex! I've seen it on a few builds over on LS1tech and they seem to be the hot ticket if you're going all out.

Nice job Steve; sounds like your NA motor will be top of the heap unless someone buys Tyler's 'friend's' C5....:willy:

[Matt@BOS]

That RHS block is pure sex! I've seen it on a few builds over on LS1tech and they seem to be the hot ticket if you're going all out.

Nice job Steve; sounds like your NA motor will be top of the heap unless someone buys Tyler's 'friend's' C5....:willy:

Yeah, but by the time someone gets that C5R engine running Steve will have something more badass than a C6R engine in his car. I don't believe for a second this will be Penny's last engine. There will always be something better, and someone will always want to give whatever that may be to Steve :lol:

Matt

[Steve1968LS2]

That RHS block is pure sex! I've seen it on a few builds over on LS1tech and they seem to be the hot ticket if you're going all out.

Nice job Steve; sounds like your NA motor will be top of the heap unless someone buys Tyler's 'friend's' C5....:willy:

Yea, for an NA motor it should be able to least have a fighting chance against all these blowers.. but the lack of weight will pay off huge in tight handling like autocross and such.

The C5R deal is sick.. although running race gas would make me sad.

Yeah, but by the time someone gets that C5R engine running Steve will have something more badass than a C6R engine in his car. I don't believe for a second this will be Penny's last engine. There will always be something better, and someone will always want to give whatever that may be to Steve :lol:

Matt

I will tell you.. swapping out engine on a "done" car is a real PITA.. I really don't need to swap from the current 454 but I was asked by RHS/COMP to build something and they've always been great to me.

Really don't know what I would build to go beyond this. I could dry sump it but my Canton pan has never let down so why? To go bigger I would have to move to a tall deck block and that would mean custom headers and intake.. no thanks to either of those.

I need to spend time dialing in shocks and such.. but I learn more everytime I do this engine exercise

[Steve1968LS2]

Small update..

8300RM Penske shocks are done and will ship to Global West on Monday. Supposed to have some new uber valve in it. :woot:

Yesterday I drove her to Best Of Show where we dropped the Magnum and replaced it with the one from Track Rat. Solve the first gear problem so the syncro was def bad as I suspected. The one from the car will be shipped back to Tremec and fixed for Track Rat.

Have done this so much that it's now a three hour job. Thanks Chris!

New, longer rear wheel studs are installed.

BottomFeeder front spoiler deal was modified and installed.. nice little item.

Sometime this week will swap out the cam for a three bolt version and install the Penske shocks. We will test the car on the 30th with the Pozzis and Penske is flying out an engineer to help set her up and to help set up the 2010 SS which is getting a prototype set of Penske replacement struts.

Car runs good now but I need to deepen the oil pan near the front crank lobe since it's too close and frothing the oil a bit. Engine runs, in hot weather, at 180.. even in high traffic it wont go over 190. Oil temps are actually too low and in the 180 range. If I try hard they will go 200 so I will make a block off for the Setrab for street use.

Two new 275/35/18 viper spec PS2s are on the way.. anyone want to buy my slightly used old tires?

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[GregWeld]

Don't make a block off -- just put in a thermostat.... You'll forget the block off on a track day - and that won't turn out good.

[Steve1968LS2]

Don't make a block off -- just put in a thermostat.... You'll forget the block off on a track day - and that won't turn out good.

I have a 215 degree Canton t-stat.. but a little always bypasses through it.

My oil temps are taken at the pan.

[GregWeld]

I thought you did.... I spent some time that day at BOS studying your system when we stopped by before RTTC. Loved the execution of the whole system. The rest of the car is "okay" I guess. If that's what you're in to. :D

Guess it should bypass some oil. Surprised that it runs that cool though with the thermostat installed but I've never had one so what do I know!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Bad Penney has helped remove a lot of the shame that comes from not owning a '69.

:D

[Steve1968LS2]

Bad Penney has helped remove a lot of the shame that comes from not owning a '69.

:D

lol.. with help from the One Lap Camaro and a few others.. :)

------

Custom shocks from Penske Racing arrived today.. we install them tomorrow. They are surprisingly light.

Doing the install and tuning at Global West.

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[DOOM]

Steve how much those babes set you back??? Please keep use posted on how they work... Very interested...

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve how much those babes set you back??? Please keep use posted on how they work... Very interested...

My good guy price for the story was over $500 per a corner.. I think retail is just over $800 per corner. And that doesn't include springs but I won a full set of Eibachs at last year's Optima

[GregWeld]

Steve how much those babes set you back???


Mario....

They're less if a bunch of their teeth are missing.

[tones2SS]

Very nice.:thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Those things are sweet. You could set those up on a fireplace mantle as artwork.:cool:

[Steve1968LS2]

New 8300 RM shocks are now installed and ready to rumble.

BIG thanks to the guys at Global West (Doug and Eric) who worked their asses off to get these on and get them on right. The front was pretty straightforward but they still had to make some spacers and shims in thier machine shop.

The rears were a bit more challenging since we were moving to the upper shock mount. Doug didn't like the load that would be placed on the bolt in that location so he and Eric came up with a way to brace the bolt off the roll cage. Double sheer for all you nerdy engineers out there. The cans are in the trunk so adjustments will be a snap.

Took an initial guess at the settings and so far I'm pretty happy. The car road a ton nicer on the 40 mile drive home and the 215/91 is one of those plate freeways which can be a real kidney killer. We have tons of compression and rebound and overall everthing looks good.

Rear upper shock mount and canister mount: (Thanks to Cris at JCG for the super cool reservoir mounts.. they worked perfectly.
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[Steve1968LS2]

One issue we had was not enough travel (especially bump).. now with the higher mount and reservoir we have tons. It also helped that Doug at GW nailed the shock length (18 inches).

More than enough.. this is at static ride heigth.

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[tones2SS]

Nice setup Steve!!:thumbsup:

[Cris@JCG]

Steve- Looks good.. I am glad to see that those mounts worked out for the shock reservoir mounts.. We made those to hold Aeromotive fuel filters & now have another use for them..

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New 8300 RM shocks are now installed and ready to rumble.

BIG thanks to the guys at Global West (Doug and Eric) who worked their asses off to get these on and get them on right. The front was pretty straightforward but they still had to make some spacers and shims in thier machine shop.

The rears were a bit more challenging since we were moving to the upper shock mount. Doug didn't like the load that would be placed on the bolt in that location so he and Eric came up with a way to brace the bolt off the roll cage. Double sheer for all you nerdy engineers out there. The cans are in the trunk so adjustments will be a snap.

Took an initial guess at the settings and so far I'm pretty happy. The car road a ton nicer on the 40 mile drive home and the 215/91 is one of those plate freeways which can be a real kidney killer. We have tons of compression and rebound and overall everthing looks good.

Rear upper shock mount and canister mount: (Thanks to Cris at JCG for the super cool reservoir mounts.. they worked perfectly.
http://i36.tinypic.com/68cxs3.jpg

[bonecrrusher]

Nice..... :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

shock now have? If I am not mistaken the old shock had 5 inches.

Since we have the same front sub...show me some pics. Did you change the stroke up front as well? Why did you invert the shock up there?

Can't wait to hear the results/impressions.

[James OLC]

Very nice... it's about time you caught up with the Jones's :)

The best thing that I can say about the Penske's is that their customer service and preparation is off the chart. I've had the OLC's shocks revalved twice, rebodied once (shorter body allowing for longer travel), and emergency repaired once (be broke an AN fitting at RTTC just before OLoA). Say what you want about the up front cost - these should be the last set of shocks you ever need to buy.

[tones2SS]

[QUOTE=Gonzo;303476]Steve- Looks good.. I am glad to see that those mounts worked out for the shock reservoir mounts.. We made those to hold Aeromotive fuel filters & now have another use for them..[QUOTE]

Those reservoir mounts look killer Cris.:cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

shock now have? If I am not mistaken the old shock had 5 inches.

Since we have the same front sub...show me some pics. Did you change the stroke up front as well? Why did you invert the shock up there?

Can't wait to hear the results/impressions.

We inverted it just to make getting to the adjustments even easier.. now the remote canister is off the "top" and right there in the engine bay.

Went with a 15.5" front 8300RM but remember I have the 1.25" drop spindle so your results will vary.

We have TONS of travel.. in fact the shocks are so good we ditched the rear bar today.. let's just say Penny is much much faster on the autocross now.. Yea to Penske and Global West

[Steve1968LS2]

Very nice... it's about time you caught up with the Jones's :)

The best thing that I can say about the Penske's is that their customer service and preparation is off the chart. I've had the OLC's shocks revalved twice, rebodied once (shorter body allowing for longer travel), and emergency repaired once (be broke an AN fitting at RTTC just before OLoA). Say what you want about the up front cost - these should be the last set of shocks you ever need to buy.

More like keeping the Jones's from catching up with me.

Oh, Penske wants to revalve your shocks since you are full soft and put where you are now in the middle. We ended up removing the rear bar..

Very happy with Penske and thier crew..and the guys at Global West.

Lets just say that this biatch sticks...

[David Pozzi]

James,
Mary and I Learned some things about tuning shocks. We'll try some out on OLC when we get a chance. :)
David

[Steve1968LS2]

James,
Mary and Learned some things about tuning shocks. We'll try some out on OLC when we get a chance. :)
David

Hey wait.. those are my secrets!!!! lol

Oh well, consider them a gift to my Canadian brother... :D

[James OLC]

James,
Mary and Learned some things about tuning shocks. We'll try some out on OLC when we get a chance. :)
David

Hey wait.. those are my secrets!!!! lol

Oh well, consider them a gift to my Canadian brother... :D

Looking forward to it even though I have a feeling that this "gift" somehow winds up with me trying to get 4 shocks removed, revalved, and reinstalled in the two weeks between the Silver State Classic and the NorCal event in Reno...

... regardless... gifts are always appreciated :) and now you know why I have loved the Penske's from day one!

[Steve1968LS2]

Looking forward to it even though I have a feeling that this "gift" somehow winds up with me trying to get 4 shocks removed, revalved, and reinstalled in the two weeks between the Silver State Classic and the NorCal event in Reno...

... regardless... gifts are always appreciated :) and now you know why I have loved the Penske's from day one!

Hey, it's not cheap or easy being fast.. but you really never want your shocks adjusted all the way soft or hard.. gives you no place to go.

Sad about loosing the rear bar.. looked great on there! ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

Thought I would add this to the build thread...

Dialing in the new Penske shocks.. money well spent. Car was good, but too stiff.. Mary and Dave kept driving it and saying "LOOSEN IT UP!!".. at one point Doug at Global West un-did one end of the bar.

Earlier in the tests...

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Better if you actually go to YouTube and up the resoluting.. top speed on the course was over 70..

Here it is after we added in a little rebound.. seemed to be the right mix.
And if you like your Mary Pozzi a bit more on the "rough" side then this is for you..

PG-13 actually on further review it might be R rated.. lol

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Gratuitous beauty shot going through the slalom..

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[yamadog]

Looking forward to it even though I have a feeling that this "gift" somehow winds up with me trying to get 4 shocks removed, revalved, and reinstalled in the two weeks between the Silver State Classic and the NorCal event in Reno...

... regardless... gifts are always appreciated :) and now you know why I have loved the Penske's from day one!

Hate to butt in here, but what is the event in Reno? Any link or info?

[conekiller13]

.. at one point Doug at Global West un-did one end of the bar.



Doug REALLY knows his sh1t! He is responsible for all the fun I've had with My Chevelle....if only he had come out with his A-body coil over set up six months earlier before I cut-up the back end......:willy:

[89 RS]

Thats just kick a$$!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Any updates Steve?

[Steve1968LS2]

Any updates Steve?

Been busy on the engine side and work got in my way a bit. :)

Went with David Pozzi over to Nelson Racing Engines to build the new RHS/COMP 460 engine. We both learned a ton.

First "problem" was we didn't expect such a thin head gasket for the RHS deal. Typically we're use to a 51 and this was 41 compress which pushed our compression (static) from 11.3 to 11.5

Fairly confident that the cam overlap will bleed some off, but it's something to watch.

We take it to Westech on Tuesday for dyno. Right now I'm heading to BOS to pull out the 454 which is going in David's Camaro.

I will also be switching to Centerforce's twin disc clutch. After doing one in the 2010 SS I'm sold on how badass this thing is.

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[fleetus macmullitz]

Been busy on the engine side and work got in my way a bit. :)

Went with David Pozzi over to Nelson Racing Engines to build the new RHS/COMP 460 engine. We both learned a ton.

First "problem" was we didn't expect such a thin head gasket for the RHS deal. Typically we're use to a 51 and this was 41 compress which pushed our compression (static) from 11.3 to 11.5

Fairly confident that the cam overlap will bleed some off, but it's something to watch.

We take it to Westech on Tuesday for dyno. Right now I'm heading to BOS to pull out the 454 which is going in David's Camaro.

I will also be switching to Centerforce's twin disc clutch. After doing one in the 2010 SS I'm sold on how badass this thing is.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2dsfh9v.jpg

This 'done' looks like it will be a lot of fun. :D

[CurtiSS 69]

Hate to butt in here, but what is the event in Reno? Any link or info?


I suspect this is the Reno event being discussed: http://www.norcalufo.org/main/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=122:2010perfschool&catid=36:club-events&Itemid=59 There's still space remaining. Get in and join in on the fun.

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[CurtiSS 69]

Thought I would add this to the build thread...

Dialing in the new Penske shocks.. money well spent. Car was good, but too stiff.. Mary and Dave kept driving it and saying "LOOSEN IT UP!!".. at one point Doug at Global West un-did one end of the bar.

Earlier in the tests...

T3YktHDO41Q

Better if you actually go to YouTube and up the resoluting.. top speed on the course was over 70..

Here it is after we added in a little rebound.. seemed to be the right mix.
And if you like your Mary Pozzi a bit more on the "rough" side then this is for you..

PG-13 actually on further review it might be R rated.. lol

prNq9yZGgqE

Gratuitous beauty shot going through the slalom..

http://i51.tinypic.com/29y31uc.jpg

Nice! All that development work is paying off.....It's look's THERE!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

[Steve1968LS2]

Nice! All that development work is paying off.....It's look's THERE!

Regards

CurtiSS 69

Well, at least it's getting closer.. still lots of potential to be wrung out.

The new 461 is in the car.. waiting on headers, might fire up next Tuesday.

Productive day at Best of Show! :)

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[melman109]

Well, at least it's getting closer.. still lots of potential to be wrung out.

The new 461 is in the car.. waiting on headers, might fire up next Tuesday.

Productive day at Best of Show! :)


That looks So Sweet!!! :thumbsup:

[pavell]

wow, no words can describe that engine bay.

[coolwelder62]

WOW!! Steve lookin real nice.The paint BOS put on those iner fender's is stunning.The car just keep's getting better w/every part you add.Can't wait to here the new power plant.Hope things go well at a Optima for you this year.IMHO!!You have built one of the top camaro's of all time. :thumbsup: Scott

[GregWeld]

Steve --

After all the racing and brake set ups etc... do you wish you would have done more with the master cylinder (dual m/c's with balance bar etc) or is the single dual reservoir plenty? Just wondering how it works in the real world track environment you're putting it thru - since you certainly have "enough" moRtivation to get some speed on! :unibrow:

Is the Wilwood a 1" or a 7/8" ?

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve. Killer car for sure.:thumbsup: :cheers:
What headers are you going with on this engine?

[Steve1968LS2]

wow, no words can describe that engine bay.

It's not nearly as perfect looking in person.. lol

But thanks.. I try to keep it tidy.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve --

After all the racing and brake set ups etc... do you wish you would have done more with the master cylinder (dual m/c's with balance bar etc) or is the single dual reservoir plenty? Just wondering how it works in the real world track environment you're putting it thru - since you certainly have "enough" moRtivation to get some speed on! :unibrow:

Is the Wilwood a 1" or a 7/8" ?

BOS was installing a Tilton floor mount pedal system in Alcala's car yesterday.. and see it I did wish I had that system.

BUT.. both my Wilwood and Baer systems never let me down and at last year's Optima we placed second in the braking challenge just behind the Cobra (and just ahead of a GT-R) so they do get the job done and are very simple to live with.

My Wilwood is 1" because I liked the feel better.

[Steve1968LS2]

Very nice Steve. Killer car for sure.:thumbsup: :cheers:
What headers are you going with on this engine?

The same ones I've always ran.. 1 7/8 stepped long tubes made for the subfram by 21st Century. That's the same size we used on the dyno. Two inch would make more power but A. that's a PITA and B. I don't need more power. ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

I also switched to Centerforce's new twin disc clutch.. now typically I'm against these since they are more of a PITA than helpfull, but we installed this on our 2010 Camara and it was both stupid easy to install and felt like a stock clutch in the car with zero rattles or issues.

The flywheel is steel but the edge has been lightened and from a MOI standpoint is equal to an aluminum unit without the associated problems. Should hold up better to the power and to how I drive.

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[awr68]

Looking very nice Steve! Are the headers out for new coating?

[GregWeld]

BOS was installing a Tilton floor mount pedal system in Alcala's car yesterday.. and see it I did wish I had that system.

BUT.. both my Wilwood and Baer systems never let me down and at last year's Optima we placed second in the braking challenge just behind the Cobra (and just ahead of a GT-R) so they do get the job done and are very simple to live with.

My Wilwood is 1" because I liked the feel better.


Good to know! I figured that it worked well for you... but was just wondering. Thanks for the reply.

[Matt@BOS]

BOS was installing a Tilton floor mount pedal system in Alcala's car yesterday.. and see it I did wish I had that system.


Ahaha, I knew you would want one when you saw it. You know, Dick is installing those pedals in Josh's car next, he could just make a second set of everything... :lol: Seriously though, I envy the fact that your car just flat out works I know it took a gazillion hours to get it that way.

Greg, some of us aren't as lucky as Steve, and after all the time and money I spent trying to fine tune and fix my system to no avail, I figured I might as well change pedals and get a full floater when I had the opportunity.The amount of adjustment that system has just boggles the mind. After all, what can I say? I've learned well from the man who, when he needs to change oil just gets a new 461 LS motor because he has the opportunity :lol:

Matt

[Jr]

Steve,

Did you change the oil pan? If memory serves, you had a road race milodon on the car last time?

[Steve1968LS2]

Ahaha, I knew you would want one when you saw it. You know, Dick is installing those pedals in Josh's car next, he could just make a second set of everything... :lol: Seriously though, I envy the fact that your car just flat out works I know it took a gazillion hours to get it that way.

Greg, some of us aren't as lucky as Steve, and after all the time and money I spent trying to fine tune and fix my system to no avail, I figured I might as well change pedals and get a full floater when I had the opportunity.The amount of adjustment that system has just boggles the mind. After all, what can I say? I've learned well from the man who, when he needs to change oil just gets a new 461 LS motor because he has the opportunity :lol:

Matt

Your new Tilton pedals are freaking badass.. I wish they were easier to install. :)

Why change oil when you can change engines? lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,

Did you change the oil pan? If memory serves, you had a road race milodon on the car last time?

I had a Canton pan on the last two engines.. great pan but with this 4.250 stroke there just wasn't enough pan clearance.

I found the Autocraft pan had more overall clearance so I'm running that but I did have to notch the front of the pan to clear my rack. Very nice pan, heavier than the Canton, but stronger as well.

What I really need to do is draw out a pan and have Canton make me a custom one that will give me maximum clearance and fit in my frame.

[Steve1968LS2]

Looking very nice Steve! Are the headers out for new coating?

Yep.. had some wire fall on them at the last chassis dyno and the melted plastic wouldn't come off.. soooooo

[GregWeld]

Greg, some of us aren't as lucky as Steve, and after all the time and money I spent trying to fine tune and fix my system to no avail, I figured I might as well change pedals and get a full floater when I had the opportunity.The amount of adjustment that system has just boggles the mind. After all, what can I say? I've learned well from the man who, when he needs to change oil just gets a new 461 LS motor because he has the opportunity :lol:

Matt

Yeah -- I always have to call Charley and beg for some $$ when I want to do something..... So far.... I'm not getting to do very much! :rofl: :rofl:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Nice dyno #'s on the 461 Steve...hydraulic roller/91 octane.

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(http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52597&page=43)

[Steve1968LS2]

My new wheels are done at Forgeline.. we used blind Titanium fasteners to knock off a few pounds.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9foc5k.jpg

[cdushane]

Those are really sweet :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Killer wheel Steve. Very nice.:thumbsup:

[James OLC]

My new wheels are done at Forgeline.. we used blind Titanium fasteners to knock off a few pounds.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9foc5k.jpg

Thank goodness you're sticking to the "no bling" theme :)

Cool wheels - see you in a couple weeks

[MattG]

Great lookin' wheels Steve! Kind of like Fikse only with a fresh update.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I may have missed it being posted already...but what is the reason for the wheel switch?

[Rybar]

I may have missed it being posted already...but what is the reason for the wheel switch?

I guess your not familiar with Mr. Steven Rupp yet :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I guess your mot familiar with Mr. Steven Rupp yet :lol:

Oh I am (and I also know of the new wing they opened at the Betty Ford Clinic for the disease) but I want an accounting from him of a legit reason my Bad Penny pictures I carefully store keep becoming outdated. :mad:




:lol:

[Rybar]

Oh I am (and I also know of the new wing they opened at the Betty Ford Clinic for the disease) but I want an accounting from him of a legit reason my Bad Penny pictures I carefully store keep becoming outdated. :mad:




:lol:

Skip, Does Steve or any of us upgrading our rides need a legit reason other than just wanting it :lol:

BTW Steve, I love these Forgelines. I think these will be the best looking wheels Penny will have yet.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Skip, Does Steve or any of us upgrading our rides need a legit reason other than just wanting it :lol:

You're right. I now recall during 'the sickness' purchasing five new cars in a year.

Mod on Steve!

:lol:

[ja.stoner63]

Awesome track run Mary.

Thanks for sharing.

[Steve1968LS2]

Thank goodness you're sticking to the "no bling" theme :)

Cool wheels - see you in a couple weeks

It's functional.. by ditching the power paint the wheels are lighter.. you might want to keep that in mind.. ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

I may have missed it being posted already...but what is the reason for the wheel switch?

Cheaper to change the look of the car than build a new car.. lol

And how often does "reason" come up in our hobby???

[Vegas69]

Those wheels are going to pop. Are you driving Penny this year?

[Steve1968LS2]

Those wheels are going to pop. Are you driving Penny this year?

Yep.. and with that handicap you just might be able to keep up.. on the road course at least.. lol

Hey, at least I know my limitations.. my car is way faster than I am.

We need to grab a beer at SEMA.. :cheers:

[skatinjay27]

woo hoo!!!
love the new wheels steve!!!honesty i was never able to really dig the previous 5 spokes the way i liked the old mess ones.

[Vegas69]

Keep up? :unibrow: This big block wants to hunt a shiny penny with a oversize mouse under the hood. :lol: She's been waiting a long, long time. First beers on me.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Cheaper to change the look of the car than build a new car.. lol

And how often does "reason" come up in our hobby???

I have no problem with you changing wheels...daily if you like. ;)

Just wondered if there was something performance wise learned from the last set and improved upon with this set.

[phillym5]

Keep up? :unibrow: This big block wants to hunt a shiny penny with a oversize mouse under the hood. :lol: She's been waiting a long, long time. First beers on me.

I want to watch for sure!!
Todd, I'll make sure to bring a "tweaker"or two for old times sake! ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

Keep up? :unibrow: This big block wants to hunt a shiny penny with a oversize mouse under the hood. :lol: She's been waiting a long, long time. First beers on me.

You just bring the shiny boat anchor over here and we'll dance.. ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

what will the rod ratio be on the new 461 engine? as opposed to the old one? thx, rm

F'd up.. lol

6.125 rod.. 4.250 stroke..

But with modern technology rod/stroke ratios and under/over square isn't as critical as it use to be.

This engine is 4.155 x 4.250

The 454 was 4.185 x 4.125 (which I prefer)

We will let her eat and see how she holds up..

[Vegas69]

You just bring the shiny boat anchor over here and we'll dance.. ;)

:rofl: :rofl:

[tones2SS]

We need that on video, like someone stated. 2 killer cars going head to head. Very cool.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Al Moreno]

My new wheels are done at Forgeline.. we used blind Titanium fasteners to knock off a few pounds.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9foc5k.jpg

I like these. Should compliment the look very nicely. :thumbsup:

I guess these should help on the performance because of the cut out on each of the spokes, liter wheel.

[waynieZ]

Those are some beautiful wheels. Very Nice.

[Teetoe_Jones]

Yep.. and with that handicap you just might be able to keep up.. on the road course at least.. lol

Hey, at least I know my limitations.. my car is way faster than I am.

We need to grab a beer at SEMA.. :cheers:

Wait- does this mean I don't get my annual shotgun ride with David in BP? She goes faster with me riding gun!

Tyler

[Matt@BOS]

I'm not sure how I feel about your wheels. They might not look good on Bad Penny. You should probably just get new ones.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop118.jpg

Matt

[bonecrrusher]

^^^^ hahaha @ that pic.

[Vegas69]

Wait- does this mean I don't get my annual shotgun ride with David in BP? She goes faster with me riding gun!

Tyler

Tyler, the rules state no passengers on the road course this year. They are allowing them in the autocross.

[tones2SS]

I'm not sure how I feel about your wheels. They might not look good on Bad Penny. You should probably just get new ones.

http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/shop118.jpg

Matt

:wow:
OHHHSS NOESSS!!:rofl:

[Steve1968LS2]

Car fired up and ran ok.. brough up stuff to temp and no leaks.

Running VERY lean though.. my AF meter is showing pegged at 16:1 .. but the exhaust smells really rich (lots of hydrocarbons)

Trailering to dyno tune next Wednesday.. was gonna drive it there :(

New wheels look bad freakin ass.. I'm sick as a dog right now so no pics or weights but I will get them next week.

[GregWeld]

Lean smells Fat. Not sure why I know that.... but it does.

Unburned fuel is oxygen rich and can trick the O2 into thinking it's pig fat so it corrects and goes lean. Or something along that order. I had that issue with mine once. We fixxxxxxeedddeded it.

[awr68]

Take it easy for a day or two Steve....you certainly don't need to get worse!

[Steve1968LS2]

Take it easy for a day or two Steve....you certainly don't need to get worse!

I can't talk so that's most likely a blessing for everyone else ;)

Thank God for keyboards..

[Steve1968LS2]

Lean smells Fat. Not sure why I know that.... but it does.

Unburned fuel is oxygen rich and can trick the O2 into thinking it's pig fat so it corrects and goes lean. Or something along that order. I had that issue with mine once. We fixxxxxxeedddeded it.

It was funny.. it got progressively worse.. throttle response slowed.. kept getting leaner.. RPM dropping.. computer was all flumixed.. nothing a good tune can't fix.

[GregWeld]

Steve, sorry to hear you can't talk. Is the wife happy about that? :D

My problem - if I remember right - was the tuner (me) thought the idle was fat - so took fuel out - which then made the A/F not burn well - which caused a lean miss - which read fat cause of the unburned fuel - which caused the tuner (me) to take out more fuel -- and well -- you get the picture.

The only computer I should get near is one that just does email.

[BritishGreen68]

We fixxxxxxeedddeded it.

I LOL'd.. haha...

[tones2SS]

I can't talk so that's most likely a blessing for everyone else ;)

Thank God for keyboards..

I'm in the same boat brother. Starting feeling sick 2 days ago. Now it's kicking my butt.:thmbsdwn:
Can't wait to see Penny with the new wheels.:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Found out I have walking Phumonia (sp?)... no wonder I feel like crap. Got three shots, and inhaler and some kick ass cough swill.

But SEMA waits for nobody.. lol

New wheels are on the car and she goes tomorrow to dyno tune then back to BOS so we can finish up all the little stuff.

Shaun Dove (TwinSting) over at EVOD showed me a new deal he is doing. In short he has a way to cast emblems now. So he took my Bad Penny logo, scanned it, made it 3Dish and then made centercaps for my wheels.

He said he ca do this with any logo or car name and the cost for the entire set of custom one-off center caps is only about $250. Considering the billet Forgeline caps run $200 that's a hell of deal.

He can color them many ways, these he used a dye to give the patina copper look.

He can also do one off emblems as well (like if you had a car name or something) for under a hundred bucks.
http://i52.tinypic.com/73j9tw.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/168so5c.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2le5w6w.jpg

[GregWeld]

Sorry you feel like you look....

Those wheel caps are KILLER! That is a really hot idea! :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

haaa haa awesome caps dude.

Get some rest and no more late nights young man. More white grape juice!!

Vince

[Vince@Meanstreets]

wait...bad penny has a logo? since when?

[6D9]

Your car is so sick its not even funny ....

[Flash68]

Wheels are hot, but I still miss the gunmetal finish that hits hard with your paint color :(

[Steve1968LS2]

Agree. I love the new wheels but have to admit I liked your old one's better.

The center caps are pretty awesome. Do you have any contact info for Shaun , might want to have something made in the future..

I sort of missed the polished hoops.. and now I do miss the GM centers.. but it's easy to get them done down the line a bit.

Shaun's website is www.evodindustries.com

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve. Penny always looks great anyhow. The center caps came out really nice. That's some great work by those guys at EVOD.
Hope you get well soon bud!:thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

Funny, I asked you if you had a pneumonia last Friday and you said, "No, nothing that bad".

I know it will be tough with SEMA and all but try to get as much rest as possible. I had it last year and it took about six months to get 100%.

By they way, thanks again to you and the folk that put together the Duel in the Desert event. My three boys and myself had a great time. :thumbsup:

[ANVIL1]

The center caps are really cool! Evod made the wheels for the Anvil Mustang and they are works of art.
Sorry your not feeling well, Steve. I hope you fell well enough to do what you need to do at SEMA!

[skatinjay27]

looks pretty good steve!
i gotta admit though with the new wheels not having a dark center and penny being such a bright colored car it look real showy, almost like when you see it from the outside you'd expect it to have some fancy exotic int. and alot more shinny stuff under the hood. its always amazing how much the wheels really change the whole look of a car.if you decided to have the centers darkened would it add less weight to just have the guys a b.o.s paint the centers instead of having them p.c.ed ?

But IMO the polished lips totally belong on penny it it just ties in much better that the brushed hoops since she's got all the polished trim.
Also the center caps look awesome!!! he did a really good job with coloring them, looks like a real penny!

[coolwelder62]

Steve hope you get to feeling better. The wheel's & center cap's are smokin cool.They fit perfect w/theme of the car.Penny just's keep's getting nicer by the day.Good luck at puhrump.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Scott.

[waynieZ]

Steve I love the wheel centers, they look sweet. I hope you feel better.

[pokey64]

How about a run of coins as swag for us CP subscribers??!! :unibrow:

[jon72vega]

Steve,
Those wheel center caps are just plain Bad A$$ !!!!!!

[Steve1968LS2]

Funny, I asked you if you had a pneumonia last Friday and you said, "No, nothing that bad".

I know it will be tough with SEMA and all but try to get as much rest as possible. I had it last year and it took about six months to get 100%.

By they way, thanks again to you and the folk that put together the Duel in the Desert event. My three boys and myself had a great time. :thumbsup:

Good seeing you at the even Al.. thanks for coming with the Camaro!

I will try to rest.. but not much time for that for the next two weeks. :willy:

[Steve1968LS2]

looks pretty good steve!
i gotta admit though with the new wheels not having a dark center and penny being such a bright colored car it look real showy, almost like when you see it from the outside you'd expect it to have some fancy exotic int. and alot more shinny stuff under the hood. its always amazing how much the wheels really change the whole look of a car.if you decided to have the centers darkened would it add less weight to just have the guys a b.o.s paint the centers instead of having them p.c.ed ?

But IMO the polished lips totally belong on penny it it just ties in much better that the brushed hoops since she's got all the polished trim.
Also the center caps look awesome!!! he did a really good job with coloring them, looks like a real penny!

Thanks AJ.. and to all that gave the car/wheels compliments.. I build the car for myself, but I would be lying if I said it didn't make me feel good to hear the positive comments (and the negative ones in a wierd way)

I would say 90% of the people like the new wheels and 8% prefer the darker centers. To be honest I always missed the polished hoops and I sorta miss the grey centers. But in a year it will easy to make them grey to once again change the car.

And you're right, the wheels can totally change the car, remember the black wheels from the first Optima? that might as well have been a different car.

At first the copper centers through me off.. I'm more subtle and would have done brushed nickel but the copper fits the theme and after a day of staring at them they copper sort of blends in and adds a nice accent. Plus they are just too damn cool. lol

I make enough power that I don't have to worry about the weight diff between paint and power and power holds up WAY better.

[Steve1968LS2]

How about a run of coins as swag for us CP subscribers??!! :unibrow:

Even if I ordered up a hundred I doubt they would be cheap enough.. I might ask though.. if they got down to a couple bucks, maybe. lol

-----------------------------------------------

Well.. hit the chassis dyno today.

The bad..

Found out that the smaller bell on the new H20 pump makes my belt come close to my upper radiator hose.. under flogging it barely left a mark on the blue tape we put there to check it. Will have to fix it this weekend.. it's always something.

My O2 sensors are shot.. ordered some that will be here Friday, for now the car is in open loop

New engine idles at 210/215 all day long.. We engine dynoed at 175 degrees.. the difference makes the car not like 91 octane. Seems like it would be good to go on 95ish.. but not 91. Sort of a buzz kill.

So the plan for now? Well after we did the dyno pulls we made sure the tune was safe and filled her up with 100 octane.. smells great.. :)

After SEMA, in January, I will pull the engine and lower the compression, maybe by going with a thicker Cometic gasket and opening up the heads a bit. Right now I'm at 11.5 and I need to be 11.1 or maybe 11.2 static. This will also give me a chance to get my one off oil pan made by Canton that will accomodate the long stroke and give me all the room I can get.

Other than that life is good... as for the dyno:

The 90mm TB is really choking the engine down.. we guess that the new 102 TB on the way will free up at least another 20hp.

http://i52.tinypic.com/30kr12t.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

The center caps are really cool! Evod made the wheels for the Anvil Mustang and they are works of art.
Sorry your not feeling well, Steve. I hope you fell well enough to do what you need to do at SEMA!

I will be fun.. just going out to have fun this year.. :)

BTW.. your Mustang is f'ing off the hook sick.. tempted to put it in the Camaro magazine it's so nice! ;)

[Steve1968LS2]

And the obligatory video:

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[cmraman]

I will be fun.. just going out to have fun this year.. :)

BTW.. your Mustang is f'ing off the hook sick.. tempted to put it in the Camaro magazine it's so nice! ;)


Back off Steve... I want it for PHR... LOL :D

[Steve1968LS2]

Back off Steve... I want it for PHR... LOL :D

lol.. ok, this time, but you owe me ;)

[Vegas69]

And I thought I worked on my big block alot... :rofl: I didn't know street cars ran on race gas. Looks like you got a little greedy. I know the feeling. That torque curve and engine is ridiculous. Compression and stroke are to blame, I noticed the hp fell off before 6000. I be that changes with less compression.

[Steve1968LS2]

And I thought I worked on my big block alot... :rofl: I didn't know street cars ran on race gas. Looks like you got a little greedy. I know the feeling. That torque curve and engine is ridiculous. Compression and stroke are to blame, I noticed the hp fell off before 6000. I be that changes with less compression.

I didn't get greedy.. we just got surprised with a really thin head gasket from RHS. Hoped it would be fine with the overlap and that dynamic would be in a sweet spot. Oh well.

Could put in the bigger cam and drop dynamic, but I don't want the bigger cam. This is the first engine I've ever "designed" that came up needing more than 91 octane, but it happens.

The HP fell before 6000 instead of after (like on the engine dyno) because the 90mm TB is starving the engine of air at that level. The 102mm should help with that.

Only looking to drop it 4/10ths of a point.. we are just outside the 91 octane range. To be honest if I lived in a 93 octane state without all the crap additives we have here in CA I would most likely be fine. Here the next step from 91 is 100.. which sucks.

Anyways, just a temp problem that can be fixed.. for now I will enjoy the sweet smeels eminating from my tailpipes.. :)

[NOPANTS68]

Sounds so wicked Steve. Pretty amazing powerplant. Made me walk out to the garage and snicker at mine. lol

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve. She looks and sounds great. :thumbsup:
I bet you will open up some more ponies with that new TB for sure. GOOD LUCK!:cheers:

[89 RS]

Cool stuff going Steve, those center caps are pretty dang cool.:cool:

[bonecrrusher]

Those center caps kick ass - love the new wheels... :thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

...and he's off.
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo103/69MSA/DSC_0758.jpg

Dude, I have heard so much of Bad Penny over the last two days that whenever I try to relax or go to sleep I start hearing the rumbling of exhaust and the thump of a lopey engine struggling to idle coupled with the occasional rev.

Matt

[Gandalf]

You forgot to mention the 8hrs breathing in burned race gas! :faint: :faint: :faint:

[Steve1968LS2]

You forgot to mention the 8hrs breathing in burned race gas! :faint: :faint: :faint:

Yea, that was a tuning marathon.. new O2 sensors.. found a mis-installed fuse (was supposed to power the O2 heaters) and a bad MAF..

Once again I'm taking a car with 10 miles on it to SEMA.. lol.. you would think I would learn by now.

The new valley cover catch tank came out good.. and overall she's in good shape. Still tired and will be glad when it's a week from now..

[Steve1968LS2]

Very nice Steve. She looks and sounds great. :thumbsup:
I bet you will open up some more ponies with that new TB for sure. GOOD LUCK!:cheers:

Thanks everyone.. :)

I think my current TB might be one of my problems. Can't force the idle RPM below 1200.. might be letting too much air in. Will be curious is I can fix it with a new TB installed.

Has a 195 t-stat.. I want to later replace it with a 180 version. Right now it idles at 210 all day long, which isn't bad but I would prefer 200.

With this engine done I can spend the winter sorting the car.. I also need the find the source of a small battery drain I have. Electrical sucks..

[Flash68]

I almost don't recognize Penny in that trailer pic. Guess you had to make those "significant changes" to be able to enter Optima again eh? LOL

[Blake Foster]

I didn't get greedy.. we just got surprised with a really thin head gasket from RHS. Hoped it would be fine with the overlap and that dynamic would be in a sweet spot. Oh well.

Could put in the bigger cam and drop dynamic, but I don't want the bigger cam. This is the first engine I've ever "designed" that came up needing more than 91 octane, but it happens.

The HP fell before 6000 instead of after (like on the engine dyno) because the 90mm TB is starving the engine of air at that level. The 102mm should help with that.

Only looking to drop it 4/10ths of a point.. we are just outside the 91 octane range. To be honest if I lived in a 93 octane state without all the crap additives we have here in CA I would most likely be fine. Here the next step from 91 is 100.. which sucks.

Anyways, just a temp problem that can be fixed.. for now I will enjoy the sweet smeels eminating from my tailpipes.. :)

Now see there would be ONE reason to move to Canada, we have 94 octane at the pump. and its only 5.20 a gallon. the 5.20 a gallon part is a good reason not to

i brought 15 gallons with me

[camcojb]

With this engine done I can spend the winter sorting the car..
that would require you to quit changing parts.............. :lol: See ya in a couple days Steve.

Jody

[awr68]

Car looks great! Can't wait to see, hear, and smell it!! Race Fuel! :D

[tones2SS]

Great car.:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

It looks sweet Steve! Enjoy SEMA.

[Ron in SoCal]

Now see there would be ONE reason to move to Canada, we have 94 octane at the pump. and its only 5.20 a gallon. the 5.20 a gallon part is a good reason not to

i brought 15 gallons with me

Blake you can get 100 octane all over Vegas if you want/need it. It''s about $6 a gal, tho...

[Vegas69]

I have a pump about 2 miles from me but it's not THAT accessible. They are known to be out on a regular bais.

[Ron in SoCal]

Right @ the 95 and Lake Mead Blvd - Rebel Gas. They've never been out that I know of...

[Vegas69]

That's where I live...:unibrow:

[TimeWarpF100]

I didn't get greedy.. we just got surprised with a really thin head gasket from RHS. Hoped it would be fine with the overlap and that dynamic would be in a sweet spot. Oh well.

Could put in the bigger cam and drop dynamic, but I don't want the bigger cam. This is the first engine I've ever "designed" that came up needing more than 91 octane, but it happens.

The HP fell before 6000 instead of after (like on the engine dyno) because the 90mm TB is starving the engine of air at that level. The 102mm should help with that.

Only looking to drop it 4/10ths of a point.. we are just outside the 91 octane range. To be honest if I lived in a 93 octane state without all the crap additives we have here in CA I would most likely be fine. Here the next step from 91 is 100.. which sucks.

Anyways, just a temp problem that can be fixed.. for now I will enjoy the sweet smeels eminating from my tailpipes.. :)

Awesome, Awesome car Steve!

Is your Dynamic around 8.75? Estimated it by looking at your specs..

Intake closing is?

The magic number for 91 octane is what under 8.25?

[69x22]

Found out I have walking Phumonia (sp?)... no wonder I feel like crap. Got three shots, and inhaler and some kick ass cough swill.

But SEMA waits for nobody.. lol

New wheels are on the car and she goes tomorrow to dyno tune then back to BOS so we can finish up all the little stuff.

Shaun Dove (TwinSting) over at EVOD showed me a new deal he is doing. In short he has a way to cast emblems now. So he took my Bad Penny logo, scanned it, made it 3Dish and then made centercaps for my wheels.

He said he ca do this with any logo or car name and the cost for the entire set of custom one-off center caps is only about $250. Considering the billet Forgeline caps run $200 that's a hell of deal.

He can color them many ways, these he used a dye to give the patina copper look.

He can also do one off emblems as well (like if you had a car name or something) for under a hundred bucks.
http://i52.tinypic.com/73j9tw.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/168so5c.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2le5w6w.jpg



You guys nailed it with these wheels.

[G-Body]

Wow plz dont change those wheels i realllllllllllllly like those real nice!

[mexMan]

Bump!

I love Penny, but why I haven't seen her or heard anything about her in a while? And I think I miss the old Forgelines... Updates please Steve! I think it was you who said that ''a car is never done''! ;)

[Leadfoot1]

Bump!

I love Penny, but why I haven't seen her or heard anything about her in a while? And I think I miss the old Forgelines... Updates please Steve! I think it was you who said that ''a car is never done''! ;)


I second the old wheels....Looked a lot much more 'Business'...

Lead.

[mexMan]

Lead knows what I'm talking about, it looks awesome tough :hail: Bad Penny

[KPC67]

I was wondering the same thing.
I think Steve has been busy with some events.

[Steve1968LS2]

Awesome, Awesome car Steve!

Is your Dynamic around 8.75? Estimated it by looking at your specs..

Intake closing is?

The magic number for 91 octane is what under 8.25?

I would have to look.. static is about 11.5:1 -- which isn't bad at all. After talking with Mast we think it just needs a better tune.

Or we could put in the more aggressive cam which would lower the dynamic

And our 91 here is crap in the summer.. (and winter really)

[Steve1968LS2]

I second the old wheels....Looked a lot much more 'Business'...

Lead.

I would agree.. the grey had a nice look.. I am enjoying the variety though. In a year I might get these done with grey centers. I think I prefer the polished hoops though, looks better with the orange paint.

I was wondering the same thing.
I think Steve has been busy with some events.

Yea, actually real busy with work.. lots of stories lately. Plus I was pretty burnt out after Optima.. might have been a tad bummed over the broken sway bar deal. That's two years in a row I'm broken something there.. sucks.

Anyways, working on the car. Not many mods left to do besides install my fire system and maybe get some various hard lines done. Baer wants me to install thier new floater.

As for events, here's one I just did with a local group:

Not much done since Optima, fixed the sway bar and did a bolt check. Working on the little stuff. In January we will be making the DSE radiator closeout fit the new core support and finishing the install on the fire suppression system. Project is definetly getting to the point where everything is done. The tune is still a bit off, good at WOT, bad at idle and around town. Mike Norris will be fixing that when he comes out.

Will all the building done it's time to do some driving. People think "wow, that car's been done so long it must be all sorted out." but the fact is that the current form of BP is NOTHING like the car built back in my PHR days. Finally I will be able to get use to the car in its current state and get some track time (needed more for me than the car.. lol)

First up was hitting the local PCA autocross:

It was a very well ran event and I knew it would be that way when I arrived for tech and there was starbucks coffee and donuts set out. The PCA has a killer timing system that let them always have 4-5 cars on track at any given time. Because of this they were able to run around 90 cars 11 laps each!

Drove the course in 2nd gear and I could still break the tires loose easily. Had a great time and the others there liked seeing the "old" muscle car. I think it was a first time PT experience for most of them. On course worker said mine was the only car that scared them when they were working hte course since it was so loud and mean looking coming down the straight twords thier station. lol.. I took that as a compliment.

Anyways, if any of you have the chance to go to one of these specialty car events you'll have a blast and meet a lot of great people.

Oh, top speed was 72+ mph and my racepak showed lateral g's (sustained) of 1.2g+ in each direction. I ran in the 63.x range whereas cars with race rubber (A6, etc) were in the 58,59 range and all out track cars were in the 56 area. Next time I need a "pit bitch" to help me check tire temp/pres between runs since it's too hard to unbuckle and get back in quickly. :)

Here's a video.. if you go to YouTube there's a high-def version.. clouds look cool (rained in the afternoon which made for fun track time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsRlpxqeew

KIsRlpxqeew

Lateral Data showing speed and later-g
http://i53.tinypic.com/714v9u.jpg

One of these cars is not like the others...
http://i55.tinypic.com/5ocw2s.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Steve I love that you have kept working on penny making it better.Have learned alot reading your posts.:thumbsup: Scott

[cees67]

"I would agree.. the grey had a nice look.. I am enjoying the variety though. In a year I might get these done with grey centers. I think I prefer the polished hoops though, looks better with the orange paint."

that car looks better and better everytime i see it!!!!

[eric1967]

Cool video. It is good to see on a cold rainy winter day in Missouri. I like the new wheels. Thanks for the post Eric

[coolwelder62]

Steve any update's on Penny.Are you and Penny ready for RTTC-II.Scott

[Procharmo]

One of these cars is not like the others...
http://i55.tinypic.com/5ocw2s.jpg

Great thread, brilliant mods and a well appreciated enthusiam for the sport and all things Protouring.....

The last photo is extremely relevant to me. I'm always comparing my Porche 996 to my '77 Camaro after mods. The major competition for the Camaro in the UK when it comes to hill climbs and street are cars like you have just posted. LOL!
Most UK American classics are either just that...Classics or dragsters.
This I believe is historically due to 1st and 2nd Gen Camaro's dominating the British Touring car championships (BTCC) from 1967 - 1972 and being effectively banned from competition by the "no engines over 3000cc (183 Ci) rule". Hence many European enthusiast assuming there is no such thing as a great handling American racing car. But we know better.....!

Frank Gardner Brands Hatch 1972

http://shop.simonlewis.com/ekmps/shops/simonlewis/images/chevrolet-camaro-etc.-frank-gardner-brands-btcc-1972-195-p.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4524/gardnercamarobgp72lrqc6.jpg
Wishing you and Bad Penny all the best.

[lilcraigford]

Bad Penny a feature at 'The Forza Experience' Forza 4 launch? I spied her in some coverage on another site. :D

http://www.stanceworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG_0340.jpg

[tmadden]

Man thats a great picture of Bad Penny

[scottysimp7]

Such a good lookin car:thumbsup:

[WicKeD_SS]

WoW! Loving it! :thumbsup:

[Jr]

Steve,
What kind of gas tank/fuel setup does penny have now?

[waynieZ]

Awesome shot Steve Penny looks wicked.

[randy]

any chance you can do me a favor and put black tape on your chrome window trim and side glass? Pretty please, lol. Im trying to see what it would look like all black more like a modern look without the high expense of a flush mount glass kit.

[OVRKILL]

Steve, your 460 build was a big influence in my 4th gen bullet. I just added a few twists ;)

Incredible car....:thumbsup:

[Leadfoot1]

any chance you can do me a favor and put black tape on your chrome window trim and side glass? Pretty please, lol. Im trying to see what it would look like all black more like a modern look without the high expense of a flush mount glass kit.

...Never heard of the paint program huh??(standard in every windows system) Just save a picture, open it, paint the trim you want (or do anything else you want- cut, lower, change etc etc) ....there you have it!

Have fun.

Lead.

[randy]

...Never heard of the paint program huh??(standard in every windows system) Just save a picture, open it, paint the trim you want (or do anything else you want- cut, lower, change etc etc) ....there you have it!

Have fun.

Lead.

THis damn mac book is making it hard for me lol.

[ccracin]

THis damn mac book is making it hard for me lol.

Macs are a graphic arts dream! Seriously, it should be a snap!

[randy]

ever think about adding racing stripes to your car? If so what would you have done?

What size is your exhaust?

[thedugan]

reviving an old post cause I haven't seen updates and wondering whats up with Penny..

[tyoneal]

Been watching and enjoying "Penny" a long time.

I'm glad Steve still hangs in there with "Penny".

I have had many unexpected thing in my life that have slowed my Car progress down, but such is life, but since I don't quit, I still move forward abet slowly. (obligations to loved ones always move to the front of the line)

That said, to the situation. (Not the Loved ones)

"Illegitimi non carborundum!"

Between the New product developement, and my Car(s), life is still good and focused.

I hope someday when I get there, I can meet Steve, and run some laps with him and others on this board.

Steve what is the latest on "Penny"?

I hope you both are well.

Best Regards,

Ty O'Neal (Now member of SEMA):yes:

[GregWeld]

Bad Penny was sold long ago......













Been watching and enjoying "Penny" a long time.

I'm glad Steve still hangs in there with "Penny".

I have had many unexpected thing in my life that have slowed my Car progress down, but such is life, but since I don't quit, I still move forward abet slowly. (obligations to loved ones always move to the front of the line)

That said, to the situation. (Not the Loved ones)

"Illegitimi non carborundum!"

Between the New product developement, and my Car(s), life is still good and focused.

I hope someday when I get there, I can meet Steve, and run some laps with him and others on this board.

Steve what is the latest on "Penny"?

I hope you both are well.

Best Regards,

Ty O'Neal (Now member of SEMA):yes:

[glassman]

Bad Penny was sold long ago......

A "bad Penny always returns"...as told to me by my pops in the 80's

[Musclerodz]

Bad Penny was sold long ago......

did not know he sold it other than swapping it back and forth with yancy.

[Spiffav8]

did not know he sold it other than swapping it back and forth with yancy.

Last I heard, that's what happened. It was swapped, then swapped back and then swapped again...or something like that. Pretty sure that's how Steve ended up with the wagon.

[Musclerodz]

Last I heard, that's what happened. It was swapped, then swapped back and then swapped again...or something like that. Pretty sure that's how Steve ended up with the wagon.

so technically its on "loan". :lol:

[Spiffav8]

so technically its on "loan". :lol:

Who knows with those two. :EmoteClueless:

Though I would suspect it may be a done deal this time and Steve is focusing on Track Rat.

[Vegas69]

This car was so cool back in the 2000's. :sarcasm_smiley:

[Ketzer]

I think the Track Rat is a really good looking build... well, up until he gave up on the "rat" part of the idea....

[NOVA]

I think the Track Rat is a really good looking build... well, up until he gave up on the "rat" part of the idea....

is there any pics of it anywhere ?

[Musclerodz]

is there any pics of it anywhere ?

should be somewhere, it was at sema last year

[GregWeld]

did not know he sold it other than swapping it back and forth with yancy.




You may be more "righter" than I..... LOL

[Ketzer]

You may be more "righter" than I..... LOL

If anybody would know about swapping cars back and forth....

[GregWeld]

If anybody would know about swapping cars back and forth....

Oh man.... you're not kidding!


I need a new hauler! There are several of us wanting to take our track cars back east and run all the cool stuff back there -- that will be a whole 'other cluster! LOL

[Musclerodz]

You may be more "righter" than I..... LOL

"righter" :lol:

[NOVA]

should be somewhere, it was at sema last year

bad wanda wagon .... pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

[tyoneal]

Bad Penny was sold long ago......

Greg:

Thanks for the update.

I guess I have been focused on other things. I hope he got a good price for it, and now has something as good or better than before.

In any event, when I used to follow it, I really enjoyed the updates.

I appreciate you correcting me,

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

[thedugan]

gotta say when i asked whats new with penny I wasn't expecting to hear its been swapped for a wagon. must be some wagon.

[Spiffav8]

gotta say when i asked whats new with penny I wasn't expecting to hear its been swapped for a wagon. must be some wagon.

Rupp was here in Las Vegas for LS Fest and had the Wagon. It's a cool car...and it has room for friends!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Some classic footage of Penny with hotshoe Mary Pozzi at the wheel on a big autox...El Toro.

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