And Penny just keeps on changing...

[Steve1968LS2]

Nothing but good about RED
Can i ask what was the total cost?

Ok, I will admit it.. I'm lost...

Total cost of what? lol

Hey, I'm old and tired.. I get lost..

[98ssnova]

of the entire build starting from day one and dont leave anything out.....:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers:

[SBDave]

"Ok, I will admit it.. I'm lost...

...

Hey, I'm old and tired.. I get lost.."

hahaha, that's a great line. The car is amazing! You're going to El Toro right? ...I hope so.

-Dave

[customcam]

Lol
To buy & install the Sleeves by RED?

[Steve1968LS2]

Lol
To buy & install the Sleeves by RED?

Ahh..

They've just dropped the price on his.. I want to say parts and labor is now about $2300.. but I need to confrim this.

The block cost me $200 since it was screwed up.. so the over all cost isn't much more than an LSX block and less than a new LS7 block.

The key to this making good $$$ sense if finding a deal on a core block.

dowel pinning the mains and cutting the rod reliefs would add a few bucks. Decking the block is included.

[customcam]

Thanks Steve

I got an answer lol

[68KMARO]

Fantastic build and as always the info and insight is over the top. so with all the changes, what is happening to the old parts, anything for sale?

rich

[nvr2fst]

You can contact Steve at Race Engine Development for exact pricing quotes.
So I wont list them here.

Dry liner vs Wet liner
Wet liner would run you about 600.00 more
Machine work to install and deck block, Wet liner about 300.00 more
Vibratory stress relief of block, done twice during process, around 175.00

Optional work;
Boring within honing range, around 100.00
Cutting rod clearance notches in the lower end, around 100.00
Same cost weather dry or wet sleeved

Wet liner can be done using a block that has a cracked cylinder wall since its machined away regardless. This is a perfect example of finding a damaged block cheap to do this set up. plus the cylinders will stay much rounder in an MID wet sleeved block than dry liner aluminum blocks. Size range for an LS7 is 4.125 to 4.200", 4.185 being the most common overbore for ring availability reasons. Maximum permitted bore size for dry liner is 4.185. If your going to supercharge the engine they do not recommend using that bore size. If you stay at 4.125 bore you'll be ok.

[Steve1968LS2]

You can contact Steve at Race Engine Development for exact pricing quotes.
So I wont list them here.

Dry liner vs Wet liner
Wet liner would run you about 600.00 more
Machine work to install and deck block, Wet liner about 300.00 more
Vibratory stress relief of block, done twice during process, around 175.00

Optional work;
Boring within honing range, around 100.00
Cutting rod clearance notches in the lower end, around 100.00
Same cost weather dry or wet sleeved

Wet liner can be done using a block that has a cracked cylinder wall since its machined away regardless. This is a perfect example of finding a damaged block cheap to do this set up. plus the cylinders will stay much rounder in an MID wet sleeved block than dry liner aluminum blocks. Size range for an LS7 is 4.125 to 4.200", 4.185 being the most common overbore for ring availability reasons. Maximum permitted bore size for dry liner is 4.185. If your going to supercharge the engine they do not recommend using that bore size. If you stay at 4.125 bore you'll be ok.

Thanks for the info.. I will add that doweling the caps is $75.. Darton did just drop the price on thier MID kits.

The nice part is that you can use a "junk" block to help bring the cost down in line with other options. For example I paid $200 for my LS2 block.

Also, the cylinders should stay round and true, which will save money.

[Steve1968LS2]

Lots of work done today.. fuel tank is in and we started final fit on the new inner fenders. The new core support and oil system is done and you can see it here mocked up.

Engine build is now set for Tuesday with install starting on Thursday. We hope to have her ready for Del Mar Goodguys.

http://i42.tinypic.com/1z2q4x4.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

Found a few interesting deals during the teardown.

One was that the driver side sway bar arm on the splined sway bar was VERY loose.. just sorta flopping around. I'm sure we tightened the hell out of this. More that likely didn't help in one direction of turning.

The clutch master rod was bent all to hell.. we will add a stop to prevent over compressing the rod. No wonder it kept getting harder to get in gear.. A new clutch master from Speed Tech is now in place. Also add the Ring Brothers new clutch reservoir.

http://i44.tinypic.com/i1e7iv.jpg

[David Pozzi]

Steve,
That's the trouble with splined arms, there's a lot of torque on them. If you can't get a good clamp on them you can saw cut into the arm opposite the split a half inch and it will clamp down better. Those arms are so thick it's hard to get movement when you torque the bolt.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,
That's the trouble with splined arms, there's a lot of torque on them. If you can't get a good clamp on them you can saw cut into the arm opposite the split a half inch and it will clamp down better. Those arms are so thick it's hard to get movement when you torque the bolt.

That's a good idea.. I was shocked how loose they were on the driver's side. Time to do some sawing.

[67ragtp]

Steve- You mentioned that you got a ring brothers clutch resivoir, I got one as well. I noticed it doesn't come with a rubber splash boot in the cap or a baffle in the resivoir. I was wondering if its necessary to have something in it, your thoughts? If you have a source for somethng could you let me know- Thanks Rich

[tuff57]

This car is awesome, I wish I had the money to do it to my car:faint: I hope I can see it at one of the Goodguys events this year to get the full affect of it in person:)

[Steve1968LS2]

This car is awesome, I wish I had the money to do it to my car:faint: I hope I can see it at one of the Goodguys events this year to get the full affect of it in person:)

Yea, if you make it be sure to say hi and introduce yourself.. and the best part of the Goodguys shows is giving rides. The course feels faster in the car.

Steve- You mentioned that you got a ring brothers clutch resivoir, I got one as well. I noticed it doesn't come with a rubber splash boot in the cap or a baffle in the resivoir. I was wondering if its necessary to have something in it, your thoughts? If you have a source for somethng could you let me know- Thanks Rich

Nope.. not neccessary.. It has the microscopic vent hole and that is what's really important.

However.. since it doesn't have the rubber boot inside you need to be more mindful that it doesn't run low on fluid.

[DFRESH]

Steve--does this mean Penny isn't going to make it for RTTH?

Check your PM's

Doug

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve--does this mean Penny isn't going to make it for RTTH?

Check your PM's

Doug

Nope.. won't make the RTTC.. I refuse to rush and half ass it to get there. But I will be there in the 2010 doing coverage.

Does it suck? yea.. but life is like that at times. Should make the Del Mar GG show/autocross.

[DFRESH]

Nope.. won't make the RTTC.. I refuse to rush and half ass it to get there. But I will be there in the 2010 doing coverage.

Does it suck? yea.. but life is like that at times. Should make the Del Mar GG show/autocross.

I can't believe it-----that's very dissapointing-----was really looking forward to seeing you wheel her around there. I understand not wanting to rush through just to make the event---it still sucks though---glad you will be in the 2010 Cam making laps and that you will be behind the camera doing your thing as well---

Doug

[GregWeld]

Doug ---

I've seen him behind the wheel -- trust me -- it ain't that big a deal... :rofl:


Sorry to hear you won't be there Steve. I'll have to wear my BP Tshirt in your "honor". :D

[Steve1968LS2]

Doug ---

I've seen him behind the wheel -- trust me -- it ain't that big a deal... :rofl:

Sorry to hear you won't be there Steve. I'll have to wear my BP Tshirt in your "honor". :D

lol.. I'm not that bad.. my car just exceeds my skill level, but I'm working on it.

See ya in El Toro...

[Steve1968LS2]

Built the engine today over at Turn Key Engine Supply..

Penny's new alum 454:

4.185 bores using Darton's MID sleeves. Wiseco pistons.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2nc408o.jpg

454 Ready to head off to Westech for dyno runs on Wednesday.. any guesses? 72cc TF 235 heads with 9.235 deck height and Cometic gaskets should yield 11.3:1 compression.
http://i43.tinypic.com/10rmzi8.jpg

Will start the install on Friday. The Canton oil pan is off at our tig welder getting a little mod.

[awr68]

Now that's nice!! :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

That is a sick motor Steve.

I'll take a stab and say 650 crank hp.

[Steve1968LS2]

That is a sick motor Steve.

I'll take a stab and say 650 crank hp.

I would be happy with that.. but I think it might be a bit more. More curious on the torque and when it comes on.

[67ragtp]

Tough with out cam specs , 660hp/620ftlbs, did you have the ports and chambers done on the heads? It looks great!:thumbsup:

Rich

[Steve1968LS2]

Tough with out cam specs , 660hp/620ftlbs, did you have the ports and chambers done on the heads? It looks great!:thumbsup:

Rich

The TF 235 heads are CNC ported... supposed to flow pretty well.

Cam = 243/259 .624 lift and 114 LSA

[DFRESH]

Dang---You need to rename the car to "Bad Envy"---awesome setup---

Doug

[WILWAXU]

Great looking stuff! Interested to see how it works out.

[Steve1968LS2]

Dang---You need to rename the car to "Bad Envy"---awesome setup---

Doug

It blows my mind that it's a 454.. hell.. next to Track Rat's 327 LS engine it looks the same size except it's 117 cubes bigger.. lol

Right now it should be named "bad headache" since doing this thrash is a PITA. :yes:

[fleet]

Seems like a 700+ crank hp motor.

[Steve1968LS2]

Seems like a 700+ crank hp motor.

Some have thought that.. but it really isn't a crazy huge camshaft.. I'm sorta more hoping for 650 and 620tq with a ton of that twist down low and in the the midrange.

700 is a bit much.. I could have gotten then with a more aggressive cam, but I want to keep my street manners.

243/259 .624 114LSA

[fleet]

Some have thought that.. but it really isn't a crazy huge camshaft.. I'm sorta more hoping for 650 and 620tq with a ton of that twist down low and in the the midrange.

700 is a bit much.. I could have gotten then with a more aggressive cam, but I want to keep my street manners.

243/259 .624 114LSA

It will be fun to hear how it transforms the car on the track.

Should be an interesting dyno session. I think most were surprised when you made 499 hp with that little LS for Track Rat.

[Steve1968LS2]

It will be fun to hear how it transforms the car on the track.

Should be an interesting dyno session. I think most were surprised when you made 499 hp with that little LS for Track Rat.

Yea, me too.. lol

I will be curious when we chassis dyno TR to see if the RW numbers jive with the engine dyno numbers..

Then again.. you almost have to try these days NOT to make 500 HP with an LS engine.

[fleet]

Some have thought that.. but it really isn't a crazy huge camshaft.. I'm sorta more hoping for 650 and 620tq with a ton of that twist down low and in the the midrange.

700 is a bit much.. I could have gotten then with a more aggressive cam, but I want to keep my street manners.

243/259 .624 114LSA

Not doubting the choice in cams, just interested in what info was used to choose those cam specs?

[Flash68]

Beautiful motor. I'm gonna guess 672hp and 638 ft#s.

Giddyup.

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve!!!
I'm going to guess anywhere between 650 and 675 ponies. GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Not doubting the choice in cams, just interested in what info was used to choose those cam specs?

Talking with the guys over at COMP.. they have some really sharp LS guys. The cam for the 460 I'm building next is just a touch bigger.

[Vegas69]

I don't know if the ATI balancer is new but make sure the bolts that hold it together don't stick out far enough to throw your crank pulley out of alignment. I had to add one brake caliper shim between the pulley and balancer. Just a friendly heads up. If you can feel them with your finger nail, you better shim it.

[Steve1968LS2]

I don't know if the ATI balancer is new but make sure the bolts that hold it together don't stick out far enough to throw your crank pulley out of alignment. I had to add one brake caliper shim between the pulley and balancer. Just a friendly heads up. If you can feel them with your finger nail, you better shim it.

LS engines.. at least mine, don't have crank pullys.. the belt rides on the dampner itself.

But yea, with a pulley I can see where that would be a problem.

[Vegas69]

Duh...it's early. Let's see them dyno numbers and video. :thumbsup:

[fleet]

They show a 5.3L being 325 cid and you made 499 hp which is approx 1.54 hp per cu in.

If you could do that again you'd make 697 hp.

[214Chevy]

Built the engine today over at Turn Key Engine Supply..

Penny's new alum 454:

4.185 bores using Darton's MID sleeves. Wiseco pistons.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2nc408o.jpg

454 Ready to head off to Westech for dyno runs on Wednesday.. any guesses? 72cc TF 235 heads with 9.235 deck height and Cometic gaskets should yield 11.3:1 compression.
http://i43.tinypic.com/10rmzi8.jpg

Will start the install on Friday. The Canton oil pan is off at our tig welder getting a little mod.

Maaaaaaan, that engine is beautiful!! Some of us will kill for an engine like that.

[Steve1968LS2]

Today was dyno day.. my guess (what I hoped for) was 650/620.. turned out to be a decent guess.

While the cam we're running is large compared to other LS cams it's not that big considering the displacement of the engine. COMP said I could pick up a bunch of tq/hp by moving to a more aggressive 112 LSA, but drivability and idle would suffer.

Since I don't want too much power and I want to keep my street friendly drivability we settled on a 114 LSA.

Fired right up.. idle was good and after some break in time Westech made some pulls and adjusted the A/F..

Best pull was 650 hp and 613 tq.. but the best part is that even down at 3500 rpm it's already making 550 lb/ft. The torque peeks at around 4600 and is still well over 500 up at 6500. That's the kind of torque curve I was looking for - flat and a bit weighted to the bottom/midrange area.

Friday we start installing.. this engine should serve me well while I CAREFULLY build my RHS blocked / Mast Motorsport headed 460 engine.

Ready to rumble:
http://i41.tinypic.com/23rwx1y.jpg

Corrected graph: (correction factor was 1.042ish)
http://i39.tinypic.com/2hrputy.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

They show a 5.3L being 325 cid and you made 499 hp which is approx 1.54 hp per cu in.

If you could do that again you'd make 697 hp.

Law of diminishing returns... :yes:

[Speedster]

Wow Steve. That looks great.

Nice torque numbers and curve. That'll be a blast in Penny... :yes:

[Gandalf]

"Best pull was 650 hp and 613 tq.. but the best part is that even down at 3500 rpm it's already making 550 lb/ft"

:woot:

Nice numbers Steve - Big Block numbers for sure. Now we will really get to see Penny's suspension and brakes working-it-out on the track!

[Steve1968LS2]

Here's a little video for you guys.. turn your speakers up and rock out to the LS goodness..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6daS8Fae4k

[nvr2fst]

Nice pull Steve. Race Engine Development does some nice work on sleeving.. hey. Now you can have all the future power adders you want for next years rebuild LOL. What ever happened to the RHS block?

[fleet]

Great tq numbers at 3500. :thumbsup:

You mentioned doing a 460.

What will it be going into?

Similar specs to the 454?

[Vegas69]

While it's not quite what I expected it's a perfect engine for what we do. The torque curve is beautiful. I'm betting you'll be happier with the results in the car than you were when you walked out of the engine shop. We put a 110 LSA in mine and it's not quite as happy say between 1200-1600 slowing down in gear. It bucks some now where it didn't before. I can still pull any gear from 1600 up with no problem. I'd leave it and enjoy. :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Nice pull Steve. Race Engine Development does some nice work on sleeving.. hey. Now you can have all the future power adders you want for next years rebuild LOL. What ever happened to the RHS block?

That engine is in process and will replace this one at the end of the summer.. It's on the "high end" side and I couldn't get it done in time.. and I didn't want my car to sit for months waiting.

I will make similar power.. maybe a bit more due to the better Mast heads, but it will have a higher quality rotating assembley and a few other widgets that I prefer.

No power adders.. all NA.. simple, reliable, and lightweight.

[Steve1968LS2]

While it's not quite what I expected it's a perfect engine for what we do. The torque curve is beautiful. I'm betting you'll be happier with the results in the car than you were when you walked out of the engine shop. We put a 110 LSA in mine and it's not quite as happy say between 1200-1600 slowing down in gear. It bucks some now where it didn't before. I can still pull any gear from 1600 up with no problem. I'd leave it and enjoy. :thumbsup:

Oh, I'm happy.. I know I could have made better "magazine numbers" but that wasn't the goal.. it fell in right where I wanted. A gain of 70hp and 80 lbs of torque. :)

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve. Let us know how it works out for you on the track.
ENJOY!!:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Oh, I'm happy.. I know I could have made better "magazine numbers" but that wasn't the goal.. it fell in right where I wanted. A gain of 70hp and 80 lbs of torque. :)

Sometimes we have to swallow our pride. It's easy to go for that peak number that won't fit the application. You'll definitely feel that extra power and I agree, your pushing your chassis to the max with that much extra power anyway.

[Rybar]

Awesome numbers Steve, will this motor be for sale when you swap in the 460?

I'm running a 112 LSA on my 346 and don't find the street manners all that bad. With 454 cubes it would have been no problem. But I understand you are going for more torque down low.

So do I get a prize for guessing the exact power level? :unibrow:

[Payton King]

a 114? I am running a 110 in a stock cube LS1. Looks like you got just what you wanted.

Looking forward to driving impressions.

[Steve1968LS2]

Awesome numbers Steve, will this motor be for sale when you swap in the 460?

I'm running a 112 LSA on my 346 and don't find the street manners all that bad. With 454 cubes it would have been no problem. But I understand you are going for more torque down low.

So do I get a prize for guessing the exact power level? :unibrow:

Sure, what do you want? :)

I just figured the extra power would only be good for bragging rights.. this way I get the power I think the car can handle and excellent street manners.

The nice part is that if the car can hook this then more power is just a cam swap away. :yes:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Looking good! Cant wait to see Penny this summer Steve.:thumbsup:

Paul

[Rybar]

Sure, what do you want? :)

I just figured the extra power would only be good for bragging rights.. this way I get the power I think the car can handle and excellent street manners.

The nice part is that if the car can hook this then more power is just a cam swap away. :yes:

For sure a cam swap is easy. I was joking about the prize. :cheers:

[rogue]

damnit penny got faster :willy:

guess its time to rip my motor apart. :lol:

Nice Steve.

[Steve1968LS2]

Instead of hunting Easter eggs today we did this...

http://i44.tinypic.com/i4mrt3.jpg

Thanks to D!ck over at BOS for helping me swing the new drivetrain into place. Tomorrow I start plugging everything in and installing the drive system.

So far, so good...

[Spiffav8]

Nice! :d

[98ssnova]

Instead of hunting Easter eggs today we did this...

http://i44.tinypic.com/i4mrt3.jpg

Thanks to D!ck over at BOS for helping me swing the new drivetrain into place. Tomorrow I start plugging everything in and installing the drive system.

So far, so good...

Stave are you switching your clutch resivor out because you have 2 on there or is this some secret you are not sharing with us:question:

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve.
GOOD LUCK!:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Stave are you switching your clutch resivor out because you have 2 on there or is this some secret you are not sharing with us:question:

Just haven't plumbed in the new Ring Brothers reservoir. The secrets are still secret.. :_paranoid

[Steve1968LS2]

Another 12-hour day.

Engine was wired up today, exhaust installed, fuel system is almost back together. Installed my new Turn One power steering pump along with a few more goodies and plumbed the oil system.

Might fire up tomorrow.. or Wednesday. Inner fenders are in paint and the lower valance is going to get clear filmed tomorrow.

Pretty much a car again. :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/fzc2g3.jpg

[Payton King]

I know you are tired of sitting on the sidelines and ready to drive.

I hope the rest goes smoothly

[GregWeld]

I know you are tired of sitting on the sidelines and ready to drive.

I hope the rest goes smoothly

Payton....

You ever meet Steve? This is not a man that you'll find 'sitting'.... :rofl:

The car looks great Steve! As I told you at RTTC - love the oil plumbing! :cheers:

[camcojb]

love that car Steve, looks great.

Jody

[Payton King]

I know Steve. I looked at Penny here in NC before he bought her and in turn he looked at a M3 convertible for my wife in Ca before I bought it. Shot my car for Camaro Performers.

He is a good dude. Just hate he lives on the wrong coast. LOL

[tones2SS]

love that car Steve, looks great.

Jody

I agree Jody. And a "track rat" as well.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

Well, we fought the good fight but I'm dead tired from working all day and then till 10pm every night (then an hour drive home).

Was going well, but we ran into a couple of small items. Namely the sensor bungs we put in the radiator sides were in exactly the wrong place and need to be rotated to the other side.

The biggest problem is a substancial oil leak from the rear cover. I don't know if the gasket was FUBAR'd or I screwed up torqing it down.. but it leaks and that means the trans has to drop.

Not a HUGE undertaking but with 36 hours until the show I just don't feel like killing myself and the friends that work with me to make some arbitrary date. This way I won't have to rush it together and then have to go back and "fix it" after Del Mar.. Instead we are going to have it right the first time.

But, as a consolation prize here's how Penny's new LS454 sounds though the exhaust system. We all agreed that it's much more pissed off sounding.

tSkN6uT2yrI

Tomorrow we mod the radiator and then next week we drop the trans and fix the leak.. I hate leaks!

[Flash68]

oooh she sounds mean!

[Aschle]

Sounds VERY healthy !!!!!! :hail: :hail:


Jason

[Steve1968LS2]

oooh she sounds mean!

Kind of surprised it ran that good with no MAF, no water, no alternator (no belt) and no specific tune..

The first time we tried to fire her up we were like WTF? then we realized we didn't put on the ground strap.

She'll be on the road in a few weeks.. since we missed the show we can take our time and do it right.

[Vegas69]

I'm diggin it:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

I'm taking this video over to the shop building my motor - tell them "this is the way a killer motor should sound"....

:hail:

[monza]

As always...:bow: Love the sound!

[fleet]

Riding lightly and carrying a big 454 cid stick. :unibrow:

[tones2SS]

Pissed off engine sounds good!!:thumbsup:

[Cris@JCG]

Where is the video on the engine run??

[tobenk]

Man that thing sounds badass Steve.:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

The motor sounds great Steve. You'll be happier doing it right the first time.

[DFRESH]

Dang it man----I just slammed a PS pump in mine to get to Del Mar tomorrow because I wanted to see your car run there---you are just a tease--will you be attending the show anyways?

Wanted to tell you something that I overheard James saying to someone else at RTTH--He got the usual "Hey is this Bad Penny?" question, James says, "No, this is her cousin, BAD PESO". Dude---I laughed so hard---maybe he's been using this gem for awhile, but it was the first time I heard it---been laughing everytime I think about it.

Doug

[Cris@JCG]

Just listened to the video clip!! My kinda of exhaust note :D That thing sounds wicked!!

[Steve1968LS2]

Dang it man----I just slammed a PS pump in mine to get to Del Mar tomorrow because I wanted to see your car run there---you are just a tease--will you be attending the show anyways?

Wanted to tell you something that I overheard James saying to someone else at RTTH--He got the usual "Hey is this Bad Penny?" question, James says, "No, this is her cousin, BAD PESO". Dude---I laughed so hard---maybe he's been using this gem for awhile, but it was the first time I heard it---been laughing everytime I think about it.

Doug

Yep Doug.. I will be there.. will buy you a beer :) :cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

Dang it man----I just slammed a PS pump in mine to get to Del Mar tomorrow because I wanted to see your car run there---you are just a tease--will you be attending the show anyways?

Wanted to tell you something that I overheard James saying to someone else at RTTH--He got the usual "Hey is this Bad Penny?" question, James says, "No, this is her cousin, BAD PESO". Dude---I laughed so hard---maybe he's been using this gem for awhile, but it was the first time I heard it---been laughing everytime I think about it.

Doug

It must of been really bad when he was running my wheels.. Personally I'm flattered to have my car and his confused given how nice his is.

[Vegas69]

Dang it man----I just slammed a PS pump in mine to get to Del Mar tomorrow because I wanted to see your car run there---you are just a tease--will you be attending the show anyways?

Wanted to tell you something that I overheard James saying to someone else at RTTH--He got the usual "Hey is this Bad Penny?" question, James says, "No, this is her cousin, BAD PESO". Dude---I laughed so hard---maybe he's been using this gem for awhile, but it was the first time I heard it---been laughing everytime I think about it.

Doug

:rofl: :rofl: I'm sure he has plenty of practice. Those cars look identical from a distance. Meaning, stance and manners. I'll never forget them both rolling out for the Optima Challenge practice. It was apparent that Pozzi set them both up.:thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Very nice Steve, that thing sounds freakin' awesome.

[Steve1968LS2]

Update:

Car is kicking our asses.. lol

Took out engine/trans.. pulled Canton pan and made sure it was flat. Put back on with RTV in the four corners and made load spreaders for the rear two oil pan bolts.

All looked well.. was finisning up the reinstall today and noticed a small oil puddle. Looks like a leak at the rear of the pan just above the starter.

I re-pulled everything and the engine is back out tomorrow.. I'm getting where I can pull the engine and trans in well under three hours.. ack!

Going to fix and ask Turn Key if we can run it on thier engine stand to check before putting it back in.

They come out nice because we do them twice.. or three times.

I'm certainly not gonna tollerate an oil leak..

[GregWeld]

Stupid statement cause I know nothing about LSx motors... (Or anything else for that matter) but are any of the pan bolts into the case all the way thru? Maybe some oil is getting thru the threads... and weeping.

Also - what about the seal (if any) at the crankshaft?

I remember doing a 440 block with a nice billet rear seal - and I didn't offset the seal and the spit of the seal/block mating surface -- it leaked... Once I rotated the seal so it was offset - dry as a bone..

Sorry to hear of your hassles.

[KPC67]

Dang! I hope your luck turns around steve.

[tones2SS]

Good luck Steve. You're in good hands, so not to worry.:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Stupid statement cause I know nothing about LSx motors... (Or anything else for that matter) but are any of the pan bolts into the case all the way thru? Maybe some oil is getting thru the threads... and weeping.

Also - what about the seal (if any) at the crankshaft?

I remember doing a 440 block with a nice billet rear seal - and I didn't offset the seal and the spit of the seal/block mating surface -- it leaked... Once I rotated the seal so it was offset - dry as a bone..

Sorry to hear of your hassles.

The Canton pan is a bit tricier since it has a thin upper flange unlike the THICK GM flange.. My last one never leaked, no so this time.

We thought about the bolt holes, but they are blind. We also though that the oil pan was nice and flat, guess we missed a spot or maybe something else. Typically the GM oil pan gasket is hard to screw up. Feels like the leak is coming from above the pan where is meets the block. So we fixed the first leak but developed another one.

Oh well, it's parts of the building experience.. pretty sure I could do this now with my eyes closed.

Anyways, like they say, "third times a charm" -- on a positive note we keep fixing little things along the way. :)

[GregWeld]

Steve -- good to hear.

I have a Canton pan for the LS6 I'm going to use in the Minotti.... it appears to be a real nice piece!

I know you'll let us know what you find the problem was - so we can all learn. The transition from old generation chevy to new gen chevy is a learning curve for sure.

[Steve1968LS2]

FIXED!! :woot:

The engine is back in the car.. fired up and NO LEAKS.. thank God.. that was getting old.

Cooling system is hooked up, just need wire in the new fans. One small brake like leak to fix, then bleed them all out, do a bolt check toss on the rollers and she's off the lift.

Everything seems to be working great. Poor car needs a tune bad since everything is different, but it fires right up and somewhat idles.


Sorta sad that in 4 mts I will be pulling this engine in favor or her final mill, theCOMP/Mast Motorsports 460 that will be centered on the RHS race block. Oh well, we're pretty good at it now.

I've decided that I'm going to put this 454 into Track Rat, should make burn outs a breeze. So if anyone needs a good deal on 500hp all-aluminum 5.3L let me know. lol

[GregWeld]

There ya go Steve! Progress!

I've been hounding the shop building my 406 (old skool SBC) about leaks... and that there better not be any! Hate leaking junk! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Sweet.....let's see those chassis dyno numbers. :unibrow:

[Steve1968LS2]

Sweet.....let's see those chassis dyno numbers. :unibrow:

Oh, you know I will.. with video.. :yes:

Any bets? 650/613 on the engine dyno will translate to what with drivetrain loss, air intake, exhaust, etc...

My guess.. 580/550

[Vegas69]

536.25hp/508.79tq Or around there....:unibrow:

[Steve1968LS2]

536.25hp/508.79tq Or around there....:unibrow:

I think you overestimate drivetrain loss.. lol

My old combo made 488/474 on the chassis dyno from a 560hp/535tq 402...

:yes:

[camcojb]

Oh, you know I will.. with video.. :yes:

Any bets? 650/613 on the engine dyno will translate to what with drivetrain loss, air intake, exhaust, etc...

My guess.. 580/550
560/530

Jody

[Vegas69]

That's less than 13%. Are you sure you didn't put a better tune on the 402 in the car? Will the new magnum effect the outcome? I factored in no accessories. I hope I'm dead wrong.

[Steve1968LS2]

That's less than 13%. Are you sure you didn't put a better tune on the 402 in the car? Will the new magnum effect the outcome? I factored in no accessories. I hope I'm dead wrong.

Not that I know of.. in any event we should know within the next week.. remember how lite my drivetrain is .. 15 lb flywheel, lite metal clutch, alum DS, lightened rear gears, no parking brake drum weight.. etc.

[tones2SS]

I'll throw in my guess.
My guess.. 575/560. GOOD LUCK STEVE!!!:thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

So if anyone needs a good deal on 500hp all-aluminum 5.3L let me know. lol

Define good deal as you've peaked my interest.

[Steve1968LS2]

Define good deal as you've peaked my interest.

[email protected]

:)

[Steve1968LS2]

Today was a good day.. the fans are hooked up and working (thanks Chris) and there are ZERO leaks from the engine, trans or any of the new brake lines.

Car starts, and somewhat idles but the current tune is FUBAR'd and needs some lovin'

Good oil pressure, I have mech gauges on the front oil system. It's 50psi at cold idle going in and 48psi coming out. I imagine the drop is minor resistance in the Canton oil t-stat. System holds about 8 quarts now.

Here are some shots.. did a lot of things I had wanted to do like clean up wiring.. heat shield other wires and install some XRP insulation on the fuel line were it goes over the header. The whole underside was recoated with Wurth SKS Stoneguard and most stuff was re-powder coated. I didn't bother re-coating the exhaust system since it just ends up getting messed up.

Dyno tune is set for Thursday afternoon at Westech Performance. I cleaned my front wheels and found that they are both missing their wheel weights, for how long I don't know but they both have small flat spots. I will most likely be moving to a 285 front tire anyways.

Now to pull the front seats to install my new RaceQuip harness' and possibly plumb in my halon fire system.

Bottom side (can't really call it the "dirty side" just yet)
http://i42.tinypic.com/mcx6dj.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/k3uk3d.jpg

Top side..
http://i40.tinypic.com/28tvngy.jpg

[monza]

:D cool shots!

Oh and as always amazing.

[tones2SS]

Very cool pics.
That car is awesome. LOVE IT! Even the underside looks "clean". Glad there were no leaks.:thumbsup:

[WicKeD_SS]

awesome pics! :thumbsup: hope you still plan on bringing it back to Bowlers event this summer!

[Steve1968LS2]

awesome pics! :thumbsup: hope you still plan on bringing it back to Bowlers event this summer!

I want to.. is it before or after the Motorstate Challenge? After as I recall.

[bigtyme1]

Steve, can you feel a differance with them heat shields on the exhaust? My floor gets hot just at an idle.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, can you feel a differance with them heat shields on the exhaust? My floor gets hot just at an idle.

I don't know.. I just put them on.. they should make a difference and the company makes them in many sizes (lengths) and even for mufflers.

[Bow Tie 67]

What engine adapter are you using for the oil cooler system? -10 lines?

[Steve1968LS2]

What engine adapter are you using for the oil cooler system? -10 lines?

The Canton pan HAS to run a remote oil filter.. it's a block on the side of the pan and I'm running all XRP fittings. The oil filter mount is also Canton and all the lines are 10AN.

I put a mechanical gauge on both the inn and out of the oil system on the core support. At cold idle there's a 2psi drop in oil pressure. So if it's entering the oil system at 50psi it's coming out at 48psi. This differential drops when the oil gets warm. I imagine there is some restriction in the thermostat (also Canton).

[68/Camaro]

Hey Steve! Awesome work! Penny my inspiration :hail:

[jimbo]

Is that spray-on bedliner on your floor pans?

[Steve1968LS2]

Is that spray-on bedliner on your floor pans?

No.. it's Wurth SKS Stoneguard.. it's an OEM type stuff.. easy to clean and paintable if you wish.

[Jr]

No.. it's Wurth SKS Stoneguard.. it's an OEM type stuff.. easy to clean and paintable if you wish.

Do you need to primer the area before spraying this Wurth stoneguard?

[WicKeD_SS]

I want to.. is it before or after the Motorstate Challenge? After as I recall.

Not sure on the date, but its late in the summer aug maybe.... Ill look it up

[Steve1968LS2]

Do you need to primer the area before spraying this Wurth stoneguard?

Nope.. just scuff and shoot.. Of course you want a good surface.

[Steve1968LS2]

Back in Action!!

Well, she's pretty much back on the road. Trailered her to Westech today for some dyno tuning TLC. We still have a few sheetmetal parts to put on, but so far, so good.

Still working on the tune. There might be a loose wire going ot the cam sensor up front as sometimes it turns over but wont fire. We going to continue to mess with it tommorow morning.

New engine bay with modified inner fenders.. should give me room to run a 285 front tire if I want.

http://i40.tinypic.com/k1p3xx.jpg

So far this is our best dyno pull.. 532 hp and 519 tq

Not too shabby.. We figure that it's a bit more choked compared to the engine dyno since I'm running a ported 90mm TB rather than the 102mm unit on the dyno.. plus exhaust, accesories and warmer water temps. This is a 91 octane turn.

This run is being overlayed on my old 402 LS2 chassis dyno pull. I think it's safe to say I now have more power.. everywhere.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2echnq0.jpg

Sounds great at idle.. sorta angry. The new radiator is proving to be very efficient so far.

[lil427z]

should pull hard.
rick k:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Video action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPQ8bQjDVvU

SPQ8bQjDVvU

[lil427z]

real clean.
rick k:thumbsup:

[KPC67]

the engine bay looks very tasteful

[Steve1968LS2]

the engine bay looks very tasteful

It's not quite done yet.. but you get the idea.. need to rework the DSE closeout panel to work with the new core support.. the inner fenders came out great.

[Vegas69]

Nice numbers there Rupp. :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Nice numbers there Rupp. :thumbsup:

Yea, not too shabby for a small-block.. ;)

BTW.. you were pretty close on your guess.. I underestimated how much the smaller TB and exhaust would cost in the car.. still, plenty of power and to be honest more would just prove challenging to hook.

The 460 might hit 550 rwhp.. maybe..

[Ron in SoCal]

It's not quite done yet.. but you get the idea.. need to rework the DSE closeout panel to work with the new core support.. the inner fenders came out great.

I said it before, Penny's beautiful. Why not just put the Autorad closeout panel on and call it a day? It'll open things up for viewing...

[Vegas69]

It's more than you need, that's for sure. :unibrow: I wanted to say I told you so, but I figured it was a bad idea seeing you are shooting my car soon. :rofl:

[Steve1968LS2]

It's more than you need, that's for sure. :unibrow: I wanted to say I told you so, but I figured it was a bad idea seeing you are shooting my car soon. :rofl:

I'm what?

:rofl:

[Steve1968LS2]

I said it before, Penny's beautiful. Why not just put the Autorad closeout panel on and call it a day? It'll open things up for viewing...

I like how the DSE panel extends into the engine bay... cleans things up.

Might fab those parts and integrate into the Autorad deal.. I will decide after Coast Mesa.

[Matt@BOS]

It's more than you need, that's for sure. :unibrow: I wanted to say I told you so, but I figured it was a bad idea seeing you are shooting my car soon. :rofl:

Nah, he just tells everyone he's shooting they're cars soon so that we all have to be nice to him. :rofl: He was supposed to shoot mine Wednesday, but that didn't happen so now I still have to pay him a compliment about his engine numbers,

Hey Steve, nice numbers! It should be more than enough to keep you busy over the summer.

So Costa Mesa is still a go, right?

Matt

[GregWeld]

Gawd -- I'm so glad I don't have a Camaro -- He doesn't want pix of my old station wagon.... So here goes.... HEY, RUPP -- your motor sounds like a itty bitty Honda with a coffee can muffler....:rofl: :rofl:










Great looking engine bay and the new numbers are killer.... nice job! :cheers: :woot:

[itsals1]

Its amazing to me how great this car was and yet, it always comes out a step ahead no matter what you do! Maybe you'll get bored with it in a couple of years and sell it to me :rofl: :rofl: .

Travis

[Vegas69]

I'm what?

:rofl:

Ha Ha :_paranoid

[GregWeld]

Hope he's knows I joking...... :_paranoid

[Steve1968LS2]

Nah, he just tells everyone he's shooting they're cars soon so that we all have to be nice to him. :rofl: He was supposed to shoot mine Wednesday, but that didn't happen so now I still have to pay him a compliment about his engine numbers,

Hey Steve, nice numbers! It should be more than enough to keep you busy over the summer.

So Costa Mesa is still a go, right?

Matt

See, once I shoot your car then the free beer and lunches will end.. lol

Would have shot yours if my car was done way back when we were hoping (ie, el toro event) but now it'll be a scramble for Costa Mesa. We will be shooting your purple people eater soon :)

[Steve1968LS2]

Hope he's knows I joking...... :_paranoid

I thought it sounded more like a Toyota.. ;)

The ONLY thing I don't like about Camaro Performers is that I can only shoot Camaros.. wagons rock!

[tones2SS]

Very nice Steve.
Man, your car looks so good and can whip it up as well. AWESOME!!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Rybar]

Steve the new motor & engine bay are killer, nice numbers.

Any plans to go back to the 102mm TB?

[syborg tt]

Car looks great and your photography skils are just getting better and better

Okay so are you going to be coming to Columbus this year with the car I would love to see it or do I have to wait till Sema.

[Teetoe_Jones]

What a pile. One of your AN fittings doesn't match. Total garbage.

Tyler

[Steve1968LS2]

What a pile. One of your AN fittings doesn't match. Total garbage.

Tyler

Yes, why am I forced to put up with these f'ing red and blue AN fittings? It's 2010 people.. 1990 called and wants their circus colored fittings back!!!!

Steve the new motor & engine bay are killer, nice numbers.

Any plans to go back to the 102mm TB?

No.. although I did talk with Kenne Bell today about the possibility of making a 105mm TBW unit.. would be pricey and what the hell would I do with the extra power besides more easily kill myself? lol

Car looks great and your photography skils are just getting better and better

Okay so are you going to be coming to Columbus this year with the car I would love to see it or do I have to wait till Sema.

I posted a better engine shot..

I've found that photograph quality is directly proportional to how much effort you're willing to expend. :)

Maybe Columbus.. sort of depends when it goes East.. for sure will be at the Holley LSX Fest in early Sept and most likely the next RTTH event.

[Steve1968LS2]

It's more than you need, that's for sure. :unibrow: I wanted to say I told you so, but I figured it was a bad idea seeing you are shooting my car soon. :rofl:

Well, in an effort to make you "less right" we did some more tuning.. this is the best we could don on the 91 swill that passes for high-octane here:

534 hp and 528 tq.. that's only 16/2 short of MY guess... ;)

Ernie at Westech took it for a test blast.. all he could say was "Fuuuuc%$%#" lol

http://i40.tinypic.com/2vlu29t.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

And lastly.. a little dyno walk around vid..

It's way louder in person..

fZiMdUAM0sI

[WicKeD_SS]

Wow! Love it! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Sounds clean, I'm guessing they changed the timing curve to increase the torque with no real horsepower change? Those are big block numbers, with way less cubes. :thumbsup: Wait a minute, those are big block cubes. LOL

[Steve1968LS2]

Sounds clean, I'm guessing they changed the timing curve to increase the torque with no real horsepower change? Those are big block numbers, with way less cubes. :thumbsup: Wait a minute, those are big block cubes. LOL

lol.. how about "with way less weight"

Yea, he fussed with the timing a bit.. tried to stay conservative since he knows we will be beating it with 91 octane.. I have an intermitant cam sensor.. only on start up. Sometimes if fires right up, sometimes it just cranks. Going to replace the small harness, sensor and check the plug tomorrow.

It sounds quite angry when you get on it... I need to break in the clutch.. tempting to just flog it.

[89 RS]

Engine sounds awesome man. That engine pic you took is also killer. Nice work Steve.

[Vegas69]

She's a sick bitch. I can't wait to run em. It would be cool if you cruised her over and we made a weekend of it. Race, some shooting(Guns), and a photo shoot. :unibrow:

[monza]

:cheers:

[Steve1968LS2]

She's a sick bitch. I can't wait to run em. It would be cool if you cruised her over and we made a weekend of it. Race, some shooting(Guns), and a photo shoot. :unibrow:

That would be a cool shot.. with the back package shelf loaded with a high end arsenal.. lol

I just picked up an FN SCAR I'm dyin to shoot.. and not here in stupid "10 rnd" Kalifornia..

[Steve1968LS2]

Just a quicky... turn your speakers up..

S2SeUfVyN4Q

[GrabberGT]

Just a quicky... turn your speakers up..

S2SeUfVyN4Q

Nothing like a quickie to get the day started off right. Thanks Penny. :drool:

[fleet]

And lastly.. a little dyno walk around vid..

It's way louder in person..

fZiMdUAM0sI

The more walk around vids of Penny the better. :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

All I have to say is = AWESOME!!!:bow:

[Rybar]

Yup, sounds badass Steve :thumbsup:

[Jr]

Take a look at the space between the block and fans! I have never seen that much space there. Looks good.:thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

See, once I shoot your car then the free beer and lunches will end.. lol

Would have shot yours if my car was done way back when we were hoping (ie, el toro event) but now it'll be a scramble for Costa Mesa. We will be shooting your purple people eater soon :)

No worries, and no real need to hurry either. Once your car is out of the shop, Good 'ol purple gets its final touches, and when it goes home the price of hanging around the shop will probably increase beyond bringing food and beer.

Matt

[waynieZ]

That sounds so Sweet! I love it.

[Steve1968LS2]

Take a look at the space between the block and fans! I have never seen that much space there. Looks good.:thumbsup:

That's a side benefit of the Alumarad core support.. I gained about two inches of clearance. Before my intake was right up next to the radiator.

[Musclerodz]

That's a side benefit of the Alumarad core support.. I gained about two inches of clearance. Before my intake was right up next to the radiator.
That is why we just switched to an Autorad setup on current build in the shop. We are going to need EVERY bit of room we can get.

Penny just gets prettier with age.:thumbsup:

[MODO Innovations]

Man, the inner fender well mod looks great. It fits the sub perfectly.

[Steve1968LS2]

That is why we just switched to an Autorad setup on current build in the shop. We are going to need EVERY bit of room we can get.

Penny just gets prettier with age.:thumbsup:

Sweet.. the people there are very nice and open to ideas on thier product. I need to get the story done and in print since they don't include instructions! lol

Man, the inner fender well mod looks great. It fits the sub perfectly.

Yea, the guys at Best Of Show really knocked it out of the park.. I really like how they welded brake line to the edge to give it a more finished look.

[syborg tt]

Steve do you have any picture of the car when it was a drag car. I think seeing the transformation from Drag Car to Auto-Cross / Track Car would be cool to see in your magazine.

Make me wonder if buying an old pro-street car is something we all should consider.

[OLDFLM]

Take a look at the space between the block and fans! I have never seen that much space there. Looks good.:thumbsup:

Steve, did you powdercoat the main part of the Autorad core support?

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, did you powdercoat the main part of the Autorad core support?

Yep.. just thought it would be cleaner and easier to maintain.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve do you have any picture of the car when it was a drag car. I think seeing the transformation from Drag Car to Auto-Cross / Track Car would be cool to see in your magazine.

Make me wonder if buying an old pro-street car is something we all should consider.

I think it would be cool as well..

[Payton King]

Are you driving yet?

If so, big difference?

[Steve1968LS2]

Are you driving yet?

If so, big difference?

I fractured my hand over the weekend.. slowed me down some. lol

hope to start driving on Thursday to break in for Saturday. The dyno guy drover her and said "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu#$%" lol

[GregWeld]

Okay Steve --- Give us the dirty details on the hand!

[WicKeD_SS]

The dyno guy drover her and said "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu#$%" lol

:rofl:

[OLDFLM]

Okay Steve --- Give us the dirty details on the hand!

My Mom said that would only make you go blind...

[Steve1968LS2]

Okay Steve --- Give us the dirty details on the hand!

Wist it was something exciting like bar fight... lol

broke my fifth metacarpal bone just below the pinky knuckle

tripped in my shop and landed closed fist on the concrete floor.. bonehead move on my part (and my first broken bone!)

The cure is worse than the sickness.. the fing cast means I type with one hand and one finger... and i have to use the mouse left handed. Gonna be a long month (considering i have 3 stories to type up)

Shiat happens.. still gonna compete in the Editors racethis weekend.. just sorta one handed (although my rgt hand is still somewhat useful)

[tukes23]

You should get a special shift knob made so it will work with you cast. Or...one the works with one finger.

[TwinSting]

Well I was just cruising home from cruise night on the freeway and what comes rolling up next to me? Bad Penny and Mr. Rupp. She looked good and sounded great when Steve took her back a gear and gave it a little gas.:thumbsup:
Looking forward to seeing her on the track tomorrow at GoodGuys. That ride looked a little stiff for our Cali freeways Steve. Did you have your kidney belt for that long drive home tonight? lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Well I was just cruising home from cruise night on the freeway and what comes rolling up next to me? Bad Penny and Mr. Rupp. She looked good and sounded great when Steve took her back a gear and gave it a little gas.:thumbsup:
Looking forward to seeing her on the track tomorrow at GoodGuys. That ride looked a little stiff for our Cali freeways Steve. Did you have your kidney belt for that long drive home tonight? lol

I was like "Is that Shaun???" lol

She actually rode great.. evem on that damn plate freeways.. Teh Recaros also help tame the ride.. its actually a pleasure on most roads.

A nice 100 mile breadk in drive before tomorow... i shifted a LOT.

See ya tomorrow

[Vegas69]

Ya,Ya,Ya, how's the new power plant?

[Steve1968LS2]

You should get a special shift knob made so it will work with you cast. Or...one the works with one finger.

Actually i managed fine.. small trans/clutch isse where she doesnt want to go into first without going into second first (grinds)

Small issues to work out.

Big thanks to the crew from Best of Show.. They were a TON of help.. especially recently with my injury

[Steve1968LS2]

Ya,Ya,Ya, how's the new power plant?

Perky.. and it raps up REALLY fast..

[SS MPSTR]

Perky.. and it raps up REALLY fast..


As always, looks and sounds awesome, Steve.

I'd certainly hope your 460 makes more than 550whp - LS7's make more than that with smaller cams! :lol: Interested in the Mast top-end you're going to run, for sure...

[Steve1968LS2]

As always, looks and sounds awesome, Steve.

I'd certainly hope your 460 makes more than 550whp - LS7's make more than that with smaller cams! :lol: Interested in the Mast top-end you're going to run, for sure...

But its all about the torque.. do the make 525 rwtq?

And my cam is tame.. nice street manners

Penny did good today.. Ran a 29.6xx which was in the top three i think.. we have an issue with the rear shocks bottoming out.. not good

So considering that and the broken hand we did good, had to drive in second gear to keep it under control

Will be working with global west to do som tuning an their new Penske line of shocks

[SS MPSTR]

But its all about the torque.. do the make 525 rwtq?

And my cam is tame.. nice street manners

Penny did good today.. Ran a 29.6xx which was in the top three i think.. we have an issue with the rear shocks bottoming out.. not good

So considering that and the broken hand we did good, had to drive in second gear to keep it under control

Will be working with global west to do som tuning an their new Penske line of shocks

the 33 CI advantage has the TQ covered (mine makes right at 500wtq), but your cam is quite a bit bigger than the cam in my LS7.

Are you working with Doug over at GW?

[Steve1968LS2]

the 33 CI advantage has the TQ covered (mine makes right at 500wtq), but your cam is quite a bit bigger than the cam in my LS7.

Are you working with Doug over at GW?

Why yes we are.. Doug is going to do some "stuff" to penny.. including some way cool adjustable shocks

He feels the car is leaving a lot on the table.. :willy:

[James OLC]

Now you know why I run the OLC in 2nd - it's the only way...

Keep me posted on shocks. I think that I am going to be replacing the rears for the same reason. One some of the more aggressive road courses that we ran I thought that the car was setting a bit too soon - the transition felt great but I think that more travel is needed.

Glad the "debut" (is this the third or the forth debut? lol) went well. Sorry about Nick - I'm sure he won't rub it in to much. Wish I could have been there.

Cheers

[Steve1968LS2]

xKtxdIDgJjU

[olds87]

Dang man you car sound sick. :thumbsup:

[evilzee28]

Penny did good today.. Ran a 29.6xx which was in the top three i think.. we have an issue with the rear shocks bottoming out.. not good


Will be working with global west to do som tuning an their new Penske line of shocks

Hi Steve, just a query, at the beginning of this thread you said, QUOTE:-

"Bigger on the list was that David thought we needed more shock travel. Seems that were were on the stops durring hard turns and even on acceleration. We worked with Steve Duck over at RaceCar Dynamics and came up with a shock that's over two inches longer. The new Bilsteins are also revalved for the car. The extra length meant that we had to punch holes in the trunk floor so that this mount extender could be welded to the top of the existing brace. The top hole is for future changes if necessary."


Why are you still having trouble with the shocks bottoming out, I thought that this area had been addressed by "punching the holes in the trunk & welding in extenders"? Does this mean that you're changing from the Bilsteins to Penske shocks now? If so what's wrong with the Bilsteins? How much shock compression/travel are you getting with the set up as is? Could it be that your spring rate is wrong allowing an excessive amount of spring compression? Sorry for so many questions, but I'm sure that those people that are following this, wouldn't want to copy your set up & find it falls short of what they want, just as you have. :thumbsup:

thanks....Nige

[Payton King]

trouble getting in first without going to second...I believe you have a bad synchro.

Glad you car is back on the road.

[GrabberGT]

Wow! That sound! Its intoxicating. :bow:

Going to listen again.

[Steve1968LS2]

Hi Steve, just a query, at the beginning of this thread you said, QUOTE:-

"Bigger on the list was that David thought we needed more shock travel. Seems that were were on the stops durring hard turns and even on acceleration. We worked with Steve Duck over at RaceCar Dynamics and came up with a shock that's over two inches longer. The new Bilsteins are also revalved for the car. The extra length meant that we had to punch holes in the trunk floor so that this mount extender could be welded to the top of the existing brace. The top hole is for future changes if necessary."


Why are you still having trouble with the shocks bottoming out, I thought that this area had been addressed by "punching the holes in the trunk & welding in extenders"? Does this mean that you're changing from the Bilsteins to Penske shocks now? If so what's wrong with the Bilsteins? How much shock compression/travel are you getting with the set up as is? Could it be that your spring rate is wrong allowing an excessive amount of spring compression? Sorry for so many questions, but I'm sure that those people that are following this, wouldn't want to copy your set up & find it falls short of what they want, just as you have. :thumbsup:

thanks....Nige

Because we keep softening up the springs to make the car more complian.. going from a 310 to 275 rear spring was just enought to cause the new problem.. I think the extra power makes the car want to squat down more as well.

normally we could dial in rebound or compression but my current shocks arnt adjustable.

Moral? get adjustable shocks if your going to do different types of performance events... just make sure you adjust them right

I will know more once Doug Nordin at GW takes a look and some measurements..

[Vegas69]

How much shock travel do you have available currently?

[Steve1968LS2]

trouble getting in first without going to second...I believe you have a bad synchro.

Glad you car is back on the road.

All of a sudden? Seemed fine back at optima.. then again it was acting up but we thought it was the bent clutch master rod...

Also has a hard time going into first if you are rolling more than 1MPH

How much shock travel do you have available currently?

not enough! lol

Seriously.. the distance (maybe 4 inches) is only part of the problem.. compression setting is another. with the old springs and power it was fine, barely, but the didnt crash out.

[Steve1968LS2]

Wow! That sound! Its intoxicating. :bow:

Going to listen again.

Thanks.. i love the new sound too

9GbqFKSX-sQ

[Vegas69]

No shiat sherlock...:lol: I have 2" of compression available with 175's and the RR bottoms but the LR has about a .25 left. Clearly mine is under a full hook left hander. Man, you run stiff springs like the TCI car. No wonder mine rides like a Cadillac.:unibrow:

That was a good tease, I bet you can't wait for a real track!

[Steve1968LS2]

No shiat sherlock...:lol: I have 2" of compression available with 175's and the RR bottoms but the LR has about a .25 left. Clearly mine is under a full hook left hander. Man, you run stiff springs like the TCI car. No wonder mine rides like a Cadillac.:unibrow:

That was a good tease, I bet you can't wait for a real track!

Doug felt the if the car is this fast with these issues then it should be stupid fast once they are fixed.. even with me driving... lol

[olds87]

Doug felt the if the car is this fast with these issues then it should be stupid fast once they are fixed.. even with me driving... lol

Do you mean ludicrous speed

http://www.twowheeltales.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/spaceballslarge026xd.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

Been having starting problems with the new engine and getting "cam sensor" error code

Worked with Scott Brown today on it and foumd that the connector was worn an not giving a cam position signal (so the computer just guesses)

Fixed that and was still getting a code... but it started more often

My LS2 is an early using an E40 computer.. as such its a 24x deal. When we built the 454 Comp accidentally sent us a newer single bolt cam. To get around this we used an LS3 cover and gear. I was focused on the 24x part that we didnt think of the 1x versus 4x cam sprocket deal.

Now mu com is looking for one pulse and getting 4.. So from a cam sensor perspective the computer is seeing 4000 rpm when the engine is ideling at 1000 rpm ... luckily the rev limiter and most functions read off of the crank sensor.. still, we think its hurting performance somehow. Just not sure how.

So, will the 1x cam srpocket even bolt to the single bolt cam? Can we "make" it work? I need to grab some parts and find out

The best fix would be to program the computer to recognize the 4x sprocket in the car.. dont know if that is possible.

Anyways, mystery solved an lesson learned.. make sure ALL of your parts match up.. lo

What I have:
http://i45.tinypic.com/35871u1.jpg

Whst I need:
http://i48.tinypic.com/or2sl3.jpg

[GregWeld]

Looks to me that you could use the 3 bolt cam gear right on the single bolt cam - and then get your single pulse signal...

What I'm thinking is that if the pin is in the right place - or at least the same place on both gears (or perhaps you could drill a new one?) -- so that they're located correctly.... then weld up the 3 bolt holes - machine 'em flat - and ream/bore out the single hole to accept your single bolt...

Am I an idiot or what.... ?? :rofl:

[Steve1968LS2]

Looks to me that you could use the 3 bolt cam gear right on the single bolt cam - and then get your single pulse signal...

What I'm thinking is that if the pin is in the right place - or at least the same place on both gears (or perhaps you could drill a new one?) -- so that they're located correctly.... then weld up the 3 bolt holes - machine 'em flat - and ream/bore out the single hole to accept your single bolt...

Am I an idiot or what.... ?? :rofl:

No.. that makes sense. I tried my 1x gear on a 1-bolt cam ant it fits, but the reference hole is bit loose, not sure that matters that much.

I wouldn't think the three holes would need to be filled.. will know more when I compare all the parts.

When the single bolt cam surprised us I din't evem think of the 4x gear.. my brain just saw the half moon shape and rolled with it..

[GregWeld]

The loose hole could be BUSHED to make it fit correctly -- I wouldn't want it Sloppy - especially on a high revving single bolt...

The other solution my be to drill and tap the cam nose?

I was thinking the holes might be welded up because if you have to enlarge the center hole - you might end up with a real weak center area... wouldn't want that flying apart!

[GregWeld]

Funny about Comp Cams sending you the wrong thing --- I ordered a custom cam from them for my "rebuild" - and we ordered a harder billet for the cam - and they sent it without the pressed on distributor gear. That would make me have to run a bronze or composite gear on the distributor. Which I'm not doing on a street motor.

I bagged that cam and ordered a new one - same specs - but with the pressed on gear from CRANE - had that in two days.... and the motor is very very happy and so am I!

[Steve1968LS2]

Funny about Comp Cams sending you the wrong thing --- I ordered a custom cam from them for my "rebuild" - and we ordered a harder billet for the cam - and they sent it without the pressed on distributor gear. That would make me have to run a bronze or composite gear on the distributor. Which I'm not doing on a street motor.

I bagged that cam and ordered a new one - same specs - but with the pressed on gear from CRANE - had that in two days.... and the motor is very very happy and so am I!

In there defense I'm not sure i specified.. Everything up until now has been three-bolt.. Like I said.. live and learn

The 4x cam deal is superior to the 1x .. just that my E40 isnt fond of it..

Drove the car 100 miles today.. what a blast :)

[Jr]

Steve,
Where did you hide the ECU?

[ivmotor]

Do you still need a gear? I can make another one. I was thinking about selling these things because it is becoming a big problem.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,
Where did you hide the ECU?

Up under the dash.. sort of behind the glove box.

[Steve1968LS2]

Do you still need a gear? I can make another one. I was thinking about selling these things because it is becoming a big problem.

You made a 1X single bolt gear? cool... Do you have a picture?

And yes, i would love to get one.. without it the consensus was that we would just leave it as is and live with it rather than do a cam swap

Greg, it is balanced.. the "bumps" one one side have corresponding "valleys" on the reverse..

[ivmotor]

I didn't take a pic of the last one I did. Here's what I do: mill off the 4x teeth from the gear you have now. Cut a .380" slice off some 4" .375" wall tubing. Weld the slice in the right spot with four rosettes. Bake until a toothpick inserted in the middle comes out dry. Takes me a couple hours...

[ivmotor]

Greg, it is balanced.. the "bumps" one one side have corresponding "valleys" on the reverse..

Its not balanced, its stamped. The valley is the side effect. Other GM gears have the teeth with no valleys.

[GregWeld]

Why not just mill off the two "extra" nubs -- and weld a piece into the gap of the single bolt version -- thereby making the One signal generator...

[Steve1968LS2]

Why not just mill off the two "extra" nubs -- and weld a piece into the gap of the single bolt version -- thereby making the One signal generator...

It would then have to be balanced.. right now every "bump" has a corresponding "valley" on the reverse...

[Steve1968LS2]

Its not balanced, its stamped. The valley is the side effect. Other GM gears have the teeth with no valleys.

Really... hmm.. seems odd that it could be that much out of balance and ok...

If the balancing isnt a big deal it could easily be modified

[Steve1968LS2]

I didn't take a pic of the last one I did. Here's what I do: mill off the 4x teeth from the gear you have now. Cut a .380" slice off some 4" .375" wall tubing. Weld the slice in the right spot with four rosettes. Bake until a toothpick inserted in the middle comes out dry. Takes me a couple hours...

Then I do the frosting??? :yum:

Why not just fill the area between the two large peaks and grind off the two small ones?

[Steve1968LS2]

Why not just mill off the two "extra" nubs -- and weld a piece into the gap of the single bolt version -- thereby making the One signal generator...

Hey, quit reading my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

[GregWeld]

Sorry.....
:D

[ivmotor]

Then I do the frosting??? :yum:

Why not just fill the area between the two large peaks and grind off the two small ones?

The bump would be in the wrong place. Its kind of adding 30 degrees here and grinding 60 degrees off there. I think its easier just to start over.

As far as the balancing goes, we spun a 1x and a 4x gear, they are both off. I don't think the weight of one tooth would make much difference compared to the harmonics of valvetrain.

cake ftw!

[Steve1968LS2]

Since the 460 is now in process I've decided to just live with the 454 "issue" for now.

I also need to fix the first gear syncro in the trans, must have hurt it at Optima.

Car is still in Penske jail.. the engineer was called to England for an F1 deal.. for some reason they get preferential treatment. lol

So here's a random shot to hold you over...

http://i32.tinypic.com/2u464ia.jpg

[awr68]

Nice head lights!!! :yes: :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

Nice head lights!!! :yes: :thumbsup:

No sh*t :lol:

[rwhite692]

Penske Jail > Regular Jail

[Vegas69]

Can somebody show me where the car is in that photo?:unibrow:

[g356gear]

Those are big...real big..........................toolboxes.:thumbsup:

[Van B]

Can somebody show me where the car is in that photo?:unibrow:

Notice that Steve has been pretty quiet about that photo?

[Steve1968LS2]

Notice that Steve has been pretty quiet about that photo?

:_paranoid

[BBC71Nova]

On and off the track BadPenny gets it done :rofl:

[buickfunnycar.com]

Me likey...:yes:

[olds87]

Schwing!!!

[89 RS]

Nice picture! Oh yeah...Great car too.

[tones2SS]

Very cool shot! Which one is bad Penny again!!?!? lol:lol:
(Nice to see a 4th gen in the shot as well.:thumbsup: )

[DFRESH]

Shameless.

[itsals1]

Is that your wife !? :woot:

Travis

[Steve1968LS2]

Is that your wife !? :woot:

Travis

Nope.. and besides, to me my wife is hotter (mainly because she puts up with me) :)

Model for a shoot we did.. had to grab a shot or two for you guys.

[89 RS]

Model for a shoot we did.. had to grab a shot or two for you guys.


Steve, thanks for thinking of us. :unibrow:

[cdushane]

Cant we all just stay focused on the headlights?:D

Oops.....I mean "Bad Penny"

[syborg tt]

Okay Steve serious Question here.

How did "Bad Penny" get her name ?

[GrabberGT]

.. had to grab a shot or two for you guys.

Stop holding out on us. Where is the other shot?:unibrow:

[DOOM]

Thanx for the update Steve!!:unibrow:

[Steve1968LS2]

Okay Steve serious Question here.

How did "Bad Penny" get her name ?

When the car came home my wife named it Penny due to the copper color.. I thought it didn't have enough punch so I added the "Bad" part.

And it was appropriate given the meaning of the phrase, as in "keeps turning up like a bad penny". This was a car, then a drag race car, then a pro-street car, and now pro-touring car.. it just keeps coming back.

And that's the story.. :)

[coolwelder62]

Steve; Does penny get to go back to optima this year.Or is the cobra the only returner from last year.Who get an automatic invite.Do any of the goodguys autocrosser's get an invite this year. Thanks Scott.

[BritishGreen68]

When the car came home my wife named it Penny due to the copper color.. I thought it didn't have enough punch so I added the "Bad" part.

And it was appropriate given the meaning of the phrase, as in "keeps turning up like a bad penny". This was a car, then a drag race car, then a pro-street car, and now pro-touring car.. it just keeps coming back.

And that's the story.. :)
I still want to see before and after pics, like when it was a pro street car, it would be cool to see the transformation.. somebody mentioned it somewhere else but i never saw any pics turn up..

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve; Does penny get to go back to optima this year.Or is the cobra the only returner from last year.Who get an automatic invite.Do any of the goodguys autocrosser's get an invite this year. Thanks Scott.

Nope.. past winners are invited back.. so I will be there.

The Cobra is invited back as an exhibition car.. I think they will be trying harder to keep race cars and cars that are shoe ins out of the event. After all, this is supposed to be about SEMA type PT cars and such and not SCCA track cars than can sort be driven on the street.

It's one reason they are ditching the race tires this year and moving to 200 treadwear.

Not sure on the GG autocross deal.. haven't heard.

[Vegas69]

Just the Texas Good Guys event gets an invite.

[cdushane]

Just the Texas Good Guys event gets an invite.

Fort Worth right? You going?

[coolwelder62]

I think I will come back this year.Will leave the car at home and bring my camera.Would like to have a chance to meet everybody.Have they talked about making it two days so it's not so fast paced. Any way Steve good luck too you.Love your car.:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Fort Worth right? You going?

Maybe:unibrow:

[nvr2fst]

Nope.. past winners are invited back.. so I will be there.

The Cobra is invited back as an exhibition car.. I think they will be trying harder to keep race cars and cars that are shoe ins out of the event. After all, this is supposed to be about SEMA type PT cars and such and not SCCA track cars than can sort be driven on the street.

It's one reason they are ditching the race tires this year and moving to 200 treadwear.

Not sure on the GG autocross deal.. haven't heard.

Steve,
I think the continuation of return winners is great. It gives the other nominees showing up a chance to beat the title cars. I also feel the way Optima invites are picked is somewhat fair but why not chose a car from each event (GG, Motorstate, etc.) or would that be too many to fill the ticket. IMO the winner should be invited for years to come until beaten or in your case retire LOL.
The rebirthing of Penny is coming along sweet Steve, what made you decide on changing out the shocks for the Penske's.
Maybe I missed your explanation in the rebuild thread or is it a status, got to have them situation :yes: