Mark Stielow's 69 Camaro, Red Devil

[GregWeld]

And that is with STOCK exhaust manifolds and 93 octane fuel :thumbsup:

It idles at 650 rpm like a stocker. Ultimate sleeper.

All stock blower and intercooler bricks.

GM stuff is the best but I'm tainted. :_paranoid

Stielow

Speak softly ---- carry a big stick.... :rofl:

Maybe you could call it -- LIPSTICK

[lil427z]

mark what color white did you paint your camaro. lol:cheers:
rick k

[57hemicuda]

It amazes me the power and reliability these factory GM peices provide. I'm in the middle of assembling an LS7 for my Mustang, some of the parts in that engine are so far beyond anything the aftermarket had just a few years ago. Love the build Mark. Ron

[Stielow]

So the dyno pull was done with Stock headers? Omg
800 ft/pds of Torque at 3800 or so :wow:

Yep stock stuff

Stock LS7/9 headers
LS7 block with ARP studs and piston oil squiter added
Stock LS9 unported heads with better exhaust valves
Stock LS9 blower with new inlet and pulley ratio
Callies crank less heavy metal to balance
Oliver 6.125 Rods
Lingenfelter 6 bolt flywheel for Callies crank to take LS9 clutch
Diamond brand coated pistons
Thomson Auto (http://thomsonautomotive.com) custom hyd roller cam
Thomson Auto engine cal

This is the best engine I have ever had.

I can't wait to get it done and to the track.

I don't think I can make Road America but I should be at Putnum Park.

Stielow

[Vegas69]

I have to ask, GM didn't think that block was sufficient for the LS9, why do you?

[Stielow]

Working on a custom blower cover.

I want to remove the "LS9" on the cover and replace it with "7.0 L".

Still want to make it look OE

Here is a CAD screen shot

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/LS9SCCOVER2.jpg

Stielow

[98ssnova]

Nice cover

[6spdcamaro]

i used a wood router and machined the "GTO" raised letters off of my engine covers. I sanded it and painted them and they look good as new. Just move quickly or it bakes the plastic

[customcam]

Cant wait to see you drive this around the track...
Ty for updating Mark and the 7.0L Supercharged is as cool as it gets

[Stielow]

I have to ask, GM didn't think that block was sufficient for the LS9, why do you?

The LS7 block will handle it. The 6.2 liter has a shorter stroke and you can fit the oil squirters easier. The non-siamesed bores are better for cooling. My engine would never live thru a GM's durability tests and meet all the validation requirements. But I'm not expecting this engine to meet emissions and 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. The bigger bore and stroke make it harder to balance all the issues listed before. We are also pushing the blower harder than what it was validated to. But I guarantee this will last much longer than most "aftermarket" stuff.

I want to make big power for a hot rod. I'm in uncharted waters for a road race engine. If I can keep it cooled it will work. Jackass had no issues with cooling so I'm following that combo and added about 30% more cooling capacity.

To quote Bob Lutz
"Often wrong but seldom in doubt"

Time will tell - See you at the track :lateral:

Stielow

[olds87]

That just insane numbers. What other things are going in car?

[Stielow]

That just insane numbers. What other things are going in car?

I've got the full DSE chassis. I'm very impressed on how the front sub frame looks and is built.

DSE Front Clip
DSE Quadra Link
DSE rear sway bar
DSE Remote resivoir shocks
DSE Sub-Frame connectors
Currie Ford 9 inch
Brembo Brakes
C-5 Corvette ABS
Recaro seat
Full set Autometer gages
Kooks headers built from a kit
Borla Mufflers with Stenod built exhaust
Griffin rad
T-56 6 speed with 32 spline main shaft

Bitchen VanNus paint job. :lol:

If can it all to work like planed it should be cool.

Stielow

[customcam]

Mark are they 1,7/8" dia headers? and if so why rather than the 2 inch?

[OLDFLM]

Same muffler you put on Jackass? What makes them so quiet? They obviously perform well...

[Vegas69]

That makes perfect sense. With that much power, the sleeves can't be wondering around to much. We've all been pushing GM engineering beyond their recommended limits since day one. This is no different. I'm just wondering if a parachute may be needed. :lol:

[GregWeld]

That makes perfect sense. With that much power, the sleeves can't be wondering around to much. We've all been pushing GM engineering beyond their recommended limits since day one. This is no different. I'm just wondering if a parachute may be needed. :lol:

Todd -- I was thinking it might need WINGS!

[waynieZ]

Wow great numbers I can't wait to hear it run.

[Rybar]

This is a SICK build for sure. Those dyno numbers are insane! :hail:

Thanks very much for t he updates :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

WOW!!! Very nice. That will be a beast for sure. Should pull for sure with that torque power and the RPM range it is in. :thumbsup:
Car will be killer overall.:thumbsup:

[Garage Dog 65]

Wow great numbers I can't wait to hear it run.

I can't beleive he started it and didn't post the video here .... how are we suppose to live vicariously thru you if you don’t help a brother out ???

I feel like a shaking crack addict looking for a fix. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

'For 2010 we are pleased to announce the introduction of the new and improved 1969 427 Camaro'.

[Stuart Adams]

Awesome setup. Great parts. Just make sure the seat belt works!! LOl

Can't wait to see it and a ride of course.

[tmadden]

That is scary strong

[Sales@Dutchboys]

getting close! got the doors on today and going hang the front sheetmetal tonight. then she goes back to Marks house this weekend!

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2584.jpg

Paul

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Looking nice and straight Paul! You must have taught your dad a few buffing tricks...:lol:

[g356gear]

getting close! got the doors on today and going hang the front sheetmetal tonight. then she goes back to Marks house this weekend!

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2584.jpg

Paul

Is that color factory Garnet Red? Looks pretty close.

[Stielow]

Paul / Joe the car looks great

Looking forward to Saturday....looking forward to Saturday to get my car back.

I got my fitting back from anodizing----

Jody gave me a ton crap about my red - blue fittings so I stripped the colors and re-anodized black

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3069.jpg

[WILWAXU]

Looks like the real fun begins this weekend! :thumbsup:

Is that color factory Garnet Red? Looks pretty close.VW Salsa Red

I tormented Laura my girl friend with "REDS" for 2 months prior to SEMA and that was after wine. :cheers:

We would driving by dealers looking at cars and spraying out paint samples. The VW Salsa Red appealed to me. It could be I like reds because I'm a little color blind in the yellow and blue spectrum.

Joe and Paul are doing a great job. The paint looks and feels great. This car will be very nice.

Stielow

[camcojb]

I got my fitting back from anodizing----

Jody gave me a ton crap about my red - blue fittings so I stripped the colors and re-anodized black

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3069.jpg
I couldn't be more proud of you Mark................ :lol: Car looks great, congrats!

Jody

[nvr2fst]

Great numbers Mark and the car is looking great. The re-anodized fittings are a great idea.

Is the LS9 blower available stand alone in lieu of the whole crate engine or is this something you acquired through your GM resources. Is there any difference on the LS9 access. drive from the stock LS7. I see some slight modification on the bottom end, but maybe its only due to the sub frame.

Dave

[XcYZ]

Jody gave me a ton crap about my red - blue fittings so I stripped the colors and re-anodized black


lol, awesome. :D

[customcam]

Very niice! :dance:

[DOOM]

Paul / Joe the car looks great

Looking forward to Saturday....looking forward to Saturday to get my car back.

I got my fitting back from anodizing----

Jody gave me a ton crap about my red - blue fittings so I stripped the colors and re-anodized black

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3069.jpg

Mark.. Who did the anodizing for you ?

[Stielow]

Mark.. Who did the anodizing for you ?

McNichols Anodizing did it http://mcnicholsanodizing.com/

It is call bright black. Not as durable as hard coat anodizing but if you want it to have a sheen the bright black is what you want.

It is about a 1 week turn around and the minimum charge it $100.

Nice guys good service.

Mark

[DOOM]

McNichols Anodizing did it http://mcnicholsanodizing.com/

It is call bright black. Not as durable as hard coat anodizing but if you want it to have a sheen the bright black is what you want.

It is about a 1 week turn around and the minimum charge it $100.

Nice guys good service.

Mark

Thanx Mark!

[DOOM]

Mark what did you use to strip the fittings? I hope its not that hard I'll be doing it for days , with all the fittings you sent me..:lol:

[nicks67ca]

getting close! got the doors on today and going hang the front sheetmetal tonight. then she goes back to Marks house this weekend!

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2584.jpg

Paul

Can you tell me what spare tire this if from?

Thanks.

[Stielow]

Mark what did you use to strip the fittings? I hope its not that hard I'll be doing it for days , with all the fittings you sent me..:lol:

They strip them for $50. For assembled hose ends it may cost more due to the stainless steel pin in the fitting that can't be anodized. You will need to call them to get the details on hose ends. I only did adaptor fittings, trim rings, battery holders and knobs.

Mark

[Stielow]

Can you tell me what spare tire this if from?

Thanks.

Corvette C-4 spare wheel 17 inch. I got them off Ebay for about $20 each. The are aluminum and clear the DSE front spindles. But the are only rated for 50 MPH... :unibrow:

Mark

[nicks67ca]

Corvette C-4 spare wheel 17 inch. I got them off Ebay for about $20 each. The are aluminum and clear the DSE front spindles. But the are only rated for 50 MPH... :unibrow:

Mark

Sweet. 50 mph thats like putting a wagon wheel on the stuff you build!

[69MyWay]

getting close! got the doors on today and going hang the front sheetmetal tonight. then she goes back to Marks house this weekend!

Paul


Hey Paul,

Does that shoulder harness bar come out?

[Mean 69]

Mark, clearly you have connections in GM that you can leverage to get the LS9 blower pieces, I think this is a fantastic approach. However, can mere mortals such as myself get the necessary top end parts to pull this off using their existing short block? I have a Darton-sleeved LS2 block that I have gone back and forth with wht to finish it off with for too long, a blower appeals to me a lot more than the complexity of a turbo setup. I honestly haven't done research to see if this is commercially available, but if you have a direction to point me tho, that would be a huge help.

Nice job on the build, as usual. Very cool.

Mark

[96z28ss]

Mark what did you use to strip the fittings? I hope its not that hard I'll be doing it for days , with all the fittings you sent me..:lol:

I heard oven cleaner take it right off.

[Stielow]

Mark, clearly you have connections in GM that you can leverage to get the LS9 blower pieces, I think this is a fantastic approach. However, can mere mortals such as myself get the necessary top end parts to pull this off using their existing short block? I have a Darton-sleeved LS2 block that I have gone back and forth with wht to finish it off with for too long, a blower appeals to me a lot more than the complexity of a turbo setup. I honestly haven't done research to see if this is commercially available, but if you have a direction to point me tho, that would be a huge help.

Nice job on the build, as usual. Very cool.

Mark

All the parts are readily available at you GM dealer. The positive and negative to the LS9 blower is you need to run the LS9 accessory drive. It works and packages great but it is spendy. The blower is pricy also. I purchased my engine at Thomson Automotive. http://thomsonautomotive.com/home.cfm?content=ads.cfm.

To buy the blower, accessory drive, throttle body and sensors will cost a lot. A stock LS9 create engine is $21,000 and these 7.0 L engines are more than that.

Mark

[Mean 69]

Gotcha, might be a lot easier and more economical, albeit with less output to use one of the aftermarket units for my lesser project. By the way, the dyno graph is pretty awesome for a truly reliable powerplant (and relatively "simple" too based on leveraging GM's engineering talent....). Should be a real monster.

Mark, I understand that you are working with Hybrids at GM these days? I landed in teh same industry, but on the heavy duty side. Interesting stuff, it is strange to work with a lot of folks who's mission in life is to reduce emissions and fuel consumption, while I hobby on cars that are quite the opposite direction!

Best of luck with the build, and thanks again for the info.
Mark

[clill]

I found the right grill emblem for marks new ride..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vAOzYz-Qs&feature=fvst

[camcojb]

I found the right grill emblem for marks new ride..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vAOzYz-Qs&feature=fvst
yep, though they misspelled Stielow........................... :lol:



Jody

[GregWeld]

I heard oven cleaner take it right off.

Oven cleaner takes too long.... I use CRYSTAL DRANO -- it's about $3 a can -- it's powder (crystals) form not liquid... dump a little of it in a PLASTIC bucket -- string your fittings on something you can use to "dip" them (I use welding rod) add just enough water to get the mixture right. You know when it's right when the fittings start to "bubble".... it takes SECONDS not hours with this method. Rinse 'em in cold water and buff up a storm. :woot:

[GregWeld]

I found the right grill emblem for marks new ride..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vAOzYz-Qs&feature=fvst

PERFECT!!

Good find Charley!

[BigRatCamaro]

That car is just plain nice great work looks killer:yes:

[PTAddict]

Mark,

I've been building PT cars ever since I saw the Red Witch build article in HRM back in '96. Thanks for the inspiration.

I'm in the final stages of building a '69 very much like yours, except mine has a wimpy little modified LS7. Dozens of track days in my previous cars have taught me the importance of cooling, cooling, and more cooling. I picked out the details of your diff cooling setup, but what are you doing for trans cooling? It looks like I could just use the existing fill and drain holes in the t-56, and plumb in a Weldon or other pump to circulate the fluid to a trans cooler? Are you using temp switches to control the pumps, or just turning them on manually?

On another note, I just went to order one of those slick Bottom feed air front spoilers, and I see the web site is gone. I hope they're not out of business ...

Thanks for any help you can give.

[Stielow]

Paul and Joe just dropped the car off it looks great.. :thumbsup:


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I'll get some pictures outside tomorrow.

Mark

[Aschle]

:thumbsup: :hail: I'm speechless....

[customcam]

Awesome...Awesome...
You know how to pick them Mark! :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

looks great Mark, congrats!!!!!

Jody

[radrambler]

NOW THATS A REFLECTION...
:thumbsup:


TOM

[JohnC]

Very nice, Mark. It looks great! :faint: Congrats!:thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Look's great Mark!!. That red is really growing on me.Looks like a you will have another great car on your hands.I really like your build style.Scott. Hint-Hint( RED ROCKET):thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Love the color choice Mark! Looks great... and that was done fast too!

[PTAddict]

Having just got my car back out of body/paint, I think I know what this feels like. It feels like ... Victory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXVGQnJm0w

Here's wishing us all the smell of unburned hydrocarbons in the morning.

[awr68]

Very Very nice!! Love the color and wheels!! :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

The car looks great . I love the color, they did a great job on the paint.

[tones2SS]

Looks killer Mark. Very nice.:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

Paint look awesome Mark. very good choice going with red. :thumbsup:

[ZMAN1969]

well the pictures are blocked at work but I'm sure its sweet-like all the rest. Mark is it gonna be on Power Tour this year? how many more you going to build?

[93Polo]

I've got the full DSE chassis. I'm very impressed on how the front sub frame looks and is built.

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C-5 Corvette ABS
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Stielow


I am liking this build alot. Are you reprogramming the ABS to work with the new chassis/balance?

I assume you have C5 front sensors. What did you take the rear sensors from?

Running track event with the Viper guys, I learned ABS could save even the best drivers some flat spots on a pricey set of Hoosiers

[Jim Nilsen]

I am so looking forward to seeing the car at Gingerman. It looks fantastic as every build you do keeps getting better.

Are you and Charlie going to both drive it there or is Charlie going to bring Jackass again?

:thumbsup:

[Stielow]

I am so looking forward to seeing the car at Gingerman. It looks fantastic as every build you do keeps getting better.

Are you and Charlie going to both drive it there or is Charlie going to bring Jackass again?

:thumbsup:

The rules this year are you have to be the owner to be the driver so I won't be driving Jackass. I hope Charley can come. He is a good driver and that car works well I think he could finish well. That car can stop on a dime or maybe a "Penny".....:lol:

I'm looking forward to Gingerman. My Mom and Dad are coming up from MO to watch. They haven't seen me drive one of my Camaro since One Lap in 1996. Should be a fun weekend. :thumbsup:

[98ssnova]

The rules this year are you have to be the owner to be the driver so I won't be driving Jackass. I hope Charley can come. He is a good driver and that car works well I think he could finish well. That car can stop on a dime or maybe a "Penny".....:lol:

AWESOME cant wait for steve response to this:rofl: :cheers:

[olds87]

Me to. :lol:

[WILWAXU]

I have a feeling Steve is busy getting Penny back together for the upcoming event :yes:

[nvr2fst]

Mark,
I talked to Brian at TA on a couple of things and planning on making a trip to Michigan in the next week or so. He mentioned I should contact you in regards to some issues I brought up on the drive accessory that Im thinking about for my build. How far are you from there shop? I would like to email you on a couple of items.

Dave

[66LS7]

Hi Mark, The car looks awsome!!!

[David Pozzi]

Mark,
Don't bother taking any more pics of the back of your car. We are going to see enough of it on the track! Nice job! :yes:
David

[customcam]

Mark,
Don't bother taking any more pics of the back of your car. We are going to see enough of it on the track! Nice job! :yes:
David

:lol: thats funny

[Jerseyboy]

Cars really coming along Mark. Alot different then the last time I saw it at Joes! Can't wait to see it running and on the road.

J

[rwhite692]

.....The rules this year are you have to be the owner to be the driver....


:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: As it should be.

Agree, Charley should definitely do well!

[Stielow]

Workied on the brakelines this weekend

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[DFRESH]

Looks great as always Mark. When you get the ABS to work on your car, will you be willing to share with us the process so that we can all have safer cars as a result? (you know that's crap right? I just want to stop as fast as you and throw caution to the wind). Seriously, I hope it is something that you can share--it would certainly be a new inovation towards making this hobby/sport/living a safer, faster, and even funner deal.

Was great to meet you at Optima event.

Doug

[GregWeld]

Geez Doug.... you can suck up better than Charley!


Looks okay Mark... if that's what you're into. :rofl:

[Sti_Guy]

Can someone explain the idea behind the bias adjuster and ABS combo? Is it safe to say without the bias adjuster your brake system is overly biased to the rear?

[Stielow]

Can someone explain the idea behind the bias adjuster and ABS combo? Is it safe to say without the bias adjuster your brake system is overly biased to the rear?

It is a one off system. My intent is to balance the car with out ABS then be able to turn the ABS on and off. If the system fails I want the base brake system to be balanced. A bunch of rear brake at the wrong time is bad.

Mark

[JohnC]

Hi Mark,

Looks great. Since you are running a similiar brake setup, which adjustable proportioning valve is that?

Talk to you soon.

Thanks


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[Sti_Guy]

It is a one off system. My intent is to balance the car with out ABS then be able to turn the ABS on and off. If the system fails I want the base brake system to be balanced. A bunch of rear brake at the wrong time is bad.

Mark

Another question, what wall stainless did you go with for your brake lines?

[Bow Tie 67]

Hi Mark,

Looks great. Since you are running a similiar brake setup, which adjustable proportioning valve is that?

Talk to you soon.

Thanks


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3084.jpg


Looks great Mark.

I believe its a Baer prop, which is made by willwood.

[Musclerodz]

Just a few lines there. Very clean looking. I hope it performs as good as it looks

[Silver69Camaro]

Looks great as always Mark. When you get the ABS to work on your car, will you be willing to share with us the process so that we can all have safer cars as a result? (you know that's crap right? I just want to stop as fast as you and throw caution to the wind). Seriously, I hope it is something that you can share--it would certainly be a new inovation towards making this hobby/sport/living a safer, faster, and even funner deal.

Doug

It's not too terribly difficult to do, I've been running the Bosch 5.3 ABS (from a C5) for about a year now. Just mount the rear wheel speed sensors, use C5 front hubs, wire, plumb, and test it out. I have mine set up to switch on and off if I don't want it, but it has worked wonderful so far.

[DFRESH]

It's not too terribly difficult to do, I've been running the Bosch 5.3 ABS (from a C5) for about a year now. Just mount the rear wheel speed sensors, use C5 front hubs, wire, plumb, and test it out. I have mine set up to switch on and off if I don't want it, but it has worked wonderful so far.


Matt, that is great--I won't hijack the thread here, but I may PM you later, as I only have the Speedtech ATS spindles upfront---would be cool to at least try it.

Doug

[firstgencam]

Did you ever get some pics of the car outside??? I bet it looks awesome!

[olds87]

Any updates Mark?

[protour73]

Mark, I know there are varying levels of this hobby, based on budget, available tools & fabbing skills, knowledge, and of course vision. But your build is just damn depressing to those of us that aspire to get a car even close to this level!!! LOL :hail:

I am so bloody impressed it's not even funny. In fact, I was planning on abandoning plans to attend the Motor State Challenge at Gingerman, but knowing that you will be there with the "Red Bomber?" and Charlie with Jackass and others, I am reinspired to go again.

Congrats on what you've accomplished so far with this build, you are an inspiration to all of us in this hobby. WOW :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Well it has been a while since any updates. Work has been a little busy. I went to Korea for a couple weeks and I'm heading back Monday. So my plans to make Road America and Putnum Park are off. Shooting for Gingerman June 20.

Engine is in the car and all the brake lines are done.

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Mark

[Stielow]

Mark, I know there are varying levels of this hobby, based on budget, available tools & fabbing skills, knowledge, and of course vision. But your build is just damn depressing to those of us that aspire to get a car even close to this level!!! LOL :hail:

I am so bloody impressed it's not even funny. In fact, I was planning on abandoning plans to attend the Motor State Challenge at Gingerman, but knowing that you will be there with the "Red Bomber?" and Charlie with Jackass and others, I am reinspired to go again.

Congrats on what you've accomplished so far with this build, you are an inspiration to all of us in this hobby. WOW :thumbsup:

Hey Thanks.... I have had a blast building this car. It will be a cool piece when it is done.

Hope to see you at Gingerman. :thumbsup:

Stielow

[GregWeld]

Mark --- What's the old saying... Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans... :lol:

Car looks great! But then - we all know it will be great - and great looking and any other great we can think of.


:thumbsup:

[CarlC]

It's looking very nice Mark.

Can you please comment on how you are using the Mann-Hummel vapor separator? I'm using one as well on a wet-sump supercharged LS in the PCV circuit.

[BBC71Nova]

Mark, awesome as usual. Really love that red.

BTW, since when did the Blackberry become a tool for building hotrods :rofl:

John

[awr68]

Looks great Mark! Love the way it's coming together...great choices! :thumbsup:

[89 RS]

Mark, build is looking great. I really look forward to seeing your progress and seeing what things you take to the next level. Of course, I'd be lying if I didn't say I wanted to see the finish product. Again, you inspire alot of people with your builds.

[camcojb]

VERY nice Mark. :yes: :thumbsup:

Jody

[Budweasel]

I'm speechless. What an inspiring piece of (art)work. Everything is just perfect.

Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to share your work.

[Stielow]

It's looking very nice Mark.

Can you please comment on how you are using the Mann-Hummel vapor separator? I'm using one as well on a wet-sump supercharged LS in the PCV circuit.

I'm venting to it off the dry sump tank. The engine valve covers are vented to the dry sump tank. I sent the "clean" air port to the induction tube.

It looks like a nice part and a buddy told me Lingenfelt uses them on there car. He could be wrong.

The part looks good. I modified it to take -10 AN fittings the 1" ports looked a bit clunky.

Stielow

[Stielow]

VERY nice Mark. :yes: :thumbsup:

Jody

Thanks everyone... for the feed back

It has been good to be back in the shop.

I hope to have some more photos this weekend.

Anyone have an opnion on "New" door and quarter glass. Do it all fit well?

Mark

[XcYZ]

Did Laura take the pic of you dropping the motor in?

Love this shot:


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3100.jpg

[NovaBlue71]

Looking good Mark! Happy to see you making progress and also the great lengths your taking to protect that paint on those fenders.:thumbsup: Joe

[Matt@BOS]

Thanks everyone... for the feed back

It has been good to be back in the shop.

I hope to have some more photos this weekend.

Anyone have an opnion on "New" door and quarter glass. Do it all fit well?

Mark

Can't wait to see the finished product!

As for "new" door and quarter glass. I'd stay original if you've got a near pristine set handy. The aftermarket quarter windows that I've seen never seem to fit flush with the side windows and always look sunken back a tiny bit to me. Then again you don't strike me as the car show guy, or the type of guy that would care too much a little wind noise. Besides, shouldn't you know this, isn't this your 12th Camaro build, or something like that? :unibrow:

Matt

[waynieZ]

That color looks great on there. Are you going to use the green tint or the smoked glass if you go aftermarket?

[lil427z]

mark this is for you:_party: hope you like it.
thanks for all your input.
rick k

[mad68rs]

Hey Mark, Im a young guy who started reading about you and your builds in high school. When I read about the type of cars you build, I knew thats the type of cars I wanted to build. Then when I read about what you did for a living it also inspired me. I'm now in college majoring in mechanical engineering. Im working on a 71 camaro right now that I hope to have finished by the Optima Street Car Challenge in hopes of driving it there to see you compete. You build some awesome cars, and good luck.

[olds87]

I'm also a young guy also and you surly out done your self on this car. I can't wait to get my cutlass in that type of clapper. :thumbsup:

[Bow Tie 67]

Killer looking car, Mark. I'm looking forward to seeing it perform at Gingerman. :thumbsup:

I would love a pic on track with myself and Randy Bell chasing you. Two primered cars, trying to become the finished project.

[tones2SS]

Amazing looking build Mark Looks absolutely killer. I bet it handles and sounds just as good as it looks.:cheers: :cheers:

[Rybar]

Looks killer Mark, your attention to detail is top notch :thumbsup:

So what's this cars name anyways? It can't be Blue Bomber as the car is red? Or is it Apex? Anyways, I can't wait to see this car vs Jackass :yes:

I think I've told you this a million times, but your builds were definately a huge inspiration for mine. :cheers:

[CarlC]

I'm venting to it off the dry sump tank. The engine valve covers are vented to the dry sump tank. I sent the "clean" air port to the induction tube.

It looks like a nice part and a buddy told me Lingenfelt uses them on there car. He could be wrong.

The part looks good. I modified it to take -10 AN fittings the 1" ports looked a bit clunky.

Stielow

I reduced the ports to a 3/8" / LS standard push-on hose. Since I was not sure how much oil would be accumulated, I was not spending the bucks. MH suggests using them on big diesels so perhaps they need that large of a port.

It's used in the Porsche world as well. For many its appearance is a bit too OE, but from a functional and service standpoint, it's worlds better than any other.

[Stielow]

Hey Mark, Im a young guy who started reading about you and your builds in high school. When I read about the type of cars you build, I knew thats the type of cars I wanted to build. Then when I read about what you did for a living it also inspired me. I'm now in college majoring in mechanical engineering. Im working on a 71 camaro right now that I hope to have finished by the Optima Street Car Challenge in hopes of driving it there to see you compete. You build some awesome cars, and good luck.

Good luck with engineering school. I started GM as a summer intern working for the Camaro race program. I was very lucky. But, engineering school was the key to me working in the industry I'm in now.

Hope your 71 gets done. Hope to see you at Optima.

Stielow

[mad68rs]

Good luck with engineering school. I started GM as a summer intern working for the Camaro race program. I was very lucky. But, engineering school was the key to me working in the industry I'm in now.

Hope your 71 gets done. Hope to see you at Optima.

Stielow

Wow, thanks Mark for taking time out of your busy schedule to respond. Yes working as an intern, and then a job with GM would be a dream. I hope I'm so fortunate. Thanks for the motivation! Now I have to get to work!

Dutra

[BillyBobL71]

As my wife would say your car (whatever the name will be) "Is To Die For!" Since you'll be spending a good deal of time on the track as have your past few cars, inevitable getting rock chips, etc. I'm curious, do you like to use a base/clear, or do you prefer a single stage urethane?

Bill

[KPC67]

As my wife would say your car (whatever the name will be) "Is To Die For!" Since you'll be spending a good deal of time on the track as have your past few cars, inevitable getting rock chips, etc. I'm curious, do you like to use a base/clear, or do you prefer a single stage urethane?

Bill

HI-JACK..
But if you mix a little color with the last coat of clear your chips will not show up as easily.

[NovaBlue71]

As my wife would say your car (whatever the name will be) "Is To Die For!" Since you'll be spending a good deal of time on the track as have your past few cars, inevitable getting rock chips, etc. I'm curious, do you like to use a base/clear, or do you prefer a single stage urethane?

Bill

I think Mark has done a few of his cars with single stage. We used Standox bc/cc on this car. As far as durability I feel not really an issue because Standox paint gets really hard once cured out. Doing an bc/cc makes up keep easier and in long run IMO paint will hold up better. I've done the add color to clear thing but that only applies to single stage and need's to be solid color too. :) Joe

[rogue]

Mark it blows my mind how talented you are. You continue to raise the bar. GM should make you exec of their performance division.

[NEWFAVR8]

Good luck with engineering school. I started GM as a summer intern working for the Camaro race program. I was very lucky. But, engineering school was the key to me working in the industry I'm in now.

Hope your 71 gets done. Hope to see you at Optima.

Stielow

Yes, Mark I have a Camaro history-type book that mentions your name as an eager, young engineer taking charge of the 3rd Gen 1LE program!!

[dirtybird]

in the age of over the top builds. it's great to see thoughtful well engineered projects being built and driven. and for me that's what it's all about. :lateral:

[MadMax]

Mark,

Looks like you already have the intake figured out but here is a trick part from Ligenfelter. Just something for the hopper. :thumbsup:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-corvette-zr1/2489774-lingenfelter-c6-zr1-supercharger-cast-aluminum-air-intake-new-pictures.html

Max

[Jim Nilsen]

Thanks everyone... for the feed back

It has been good to be back in the shop.

I hope to have some more photos this weekend.

Anyone have an opnion on "New" door and quarter glass. Do it all fit well?

Mark

My 67 glass came from Auto Glass city in MN. and it fit really well, everyone asks me where it came from because it looks so good. I might have just gotten lucky though. It is the smoked glass. I think Frank at Prodigy is selling the same brand of glass. Mine is 67 stuff and may have its differences. I did have to reinstall it and glue it in on the bottom channel after finding out too late that the rain storm I got caught in lubricated the press fit enough for it to come loose. I would have never had a problem if I hadn't driven it in the rain as it was up and down hundreds of times and never had a problem. As you probably already know the new stuff is just a bit thinner.

The car looks great and I look forward to seeing you at Gingerman.

[Stielow]

Well I've been to Korea 3 times in two months... So my project had slowed a lot. Well I'm back and thrashing to make Gingerman. :thumbsup:

After a lot of tries I think I may have a name I like for the "Blue Bomber" after Joe painted it red. It is a throw back to the code name we had for the ZR-1 when it was in development (Blue Devil) So I think I will call this car "Red Devil"!

We have made good progress on the car. Here are few photos..

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3118.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3129.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3107.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3110.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3116.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3111.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3112.jpg

[lil427z]

mark the camaro looks great .keep up the good work.
rick k:lateral: :cheers: :woot:

[XcYZ]

Looking awesome, Mark.


How did you make 7.0L instead of LS9?

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3110.jpg

[Stielow]

Looking awesome, Mark.


How did you make 7.0L instead of LS9?

We made a CAD file of the "7.0 L" then CNC the logo out of aluminum. We then pocket milled the cover to sink in the emblem. A little paint and body work and your done! :thumbsup:


http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/LS9SCCOVER2.jpg

[coolwelder62]

Mark; Looks great.Is it OK if I use some of your idea's. Love your engineering skill's and craftsmanship.Scott.:thumbsup: :hail:

[phillym5]

Man... that looks great. So clean....

[Vegas69]

Top shelf as always...:thumbsup:

[214Chevy]

After a lot of tries I think I may have a name I like for the "Blue Bomber" after Joe painted it red. It is a throw back to the code name we had for the ZR-1 when it was in development (Blue Devil) So I think I will call this car "Red Devil"!



Red Witch begat Red Devil.:hail: :hail:

[GregWeld]

Mark,

I did an international fireworks competition in Seoul (Han river)... our crew was stuck out there in the middle of the river on barges... so the local contacts would ferry food out to us for lunch etc. Most of what they brought out had lips and whiskers. LOL

I actually like some of the kimchi...

Stay away from the cold jelly fish soup...

Have you learned to do the "long drop"?? :rofl: :rofl:

[tones2SS]

Man, that is awesome looking.
Love the recessed trunk idea. Very nice looking car Mark!:thumbsup:

[Bow Tie 67]

The trunk is not recessed, he added tunnels for the exhaust.

Looking good, I like the name :thumbsup: , you better make Gingerman I want to say I shared a track with the latest Stielow car. :D

[Cris@JCG]

Awesome work Mark! Can't wait to see this one complete :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

The car looks beautiful. Thanks for posting the pictures and ideas it will help a lot of us raise the quality of our builds with idea's we might not have thought of.
Awesome work.

[Rybar]

Awesome again Mark, new name suits it much better. :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

The trunk is not recessed, he added tunnels for the exhaust.

Thanks for the clarification. It looked recessed.:_paranoid
Such a killer car.:thumbsup:

[Stielow]

The trunk is not recessed, he added tunnels for the exhaust.

Looking good, I like the name :thumbsup: , you better make Gingerman I want to say I shared a track with the latest Stielow car. :D

I will be at Gingerman along with Dr. Lillard and Jackass :yes:

I need to get this thing done and see what it will do. I have a 4 day week end I hope to get it fired up. Still have a lot of wiring to do and finish the ABS wiring. Gingerman was a blast last year so my plan is to be there.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

The car looks killer Mark! looking forward to gingerman!:thumbsup:

Paul

[Stielow]

The car looks killer Mark! looking forward to gingerman!:thumbsup:

Paul

Paul

The paint looks AWESOME in the sun. :bow: I had it on the trailer going to the interior guy and it looked great. Thank you and your dad for painting the car.

Mark

[Bow Tie 67]

I will be at Gingerman along with Dr. Lillard and Jackass :yes:



Hmmm It likely will be a one, two sweep ............ I would be elated with a third place finish again. If I can cure the limp mode problem I might have a chance at third. Two bad we cant run R compound like last year, Oh well at least Charlie will get his auto-x fix. :rofl:

[GregWeld]

DOCTOR Lillard?

Really?

Hey Charley... I have a rectal issue I need you to look at... :rofl: :rofl:

[olds87]

When did he get doctorates degree?

[HectorM52]

Your long weekend has come and gone. Did you get it running?

[ja.stoner63]

Mark, now I understand why NASA dropped the space shuttle program.

I think we just found our next Rocket!:thumbsup:

Looks amazing.

JA

[olds87]

Any update on car Mr. Stielow?

[Bradn]

Can you elaborate more on what you had to do to the kooks headers. how was the ground clearance.

[Kory 88Iroc Lt1]

very nice
After reading the whole thread, all I can say is wow.
Kory

[clill]

It runs....:thumbsup:

[Bow Tie 67]

Motorstate?

[clill]

That's our plan.

[Steve1968LS2]

That's our plan.

I hops since we are bringing the GOOD camera gear.. :)

[Stuart Adams]

Better be a high speed camera, LOL.

[XcYZ]

Here's a video Charley took about an hour ago of Mark and company tuning his car on a chassis dyno at Stenod's. Sounds pretty damn healthy. :cheers:

www.Lateral-g.net/temp/stielow.mov

[67ragtp]

WOW! That thing sounds sick! Is that through muffs? :hail:

Rich

[protour73]

NICE video (it loaded sideways) :_paranoid
Sounds AWESOME Mark, were you controlling it via laptop? :hail:
That is going to be some kind of beast!!!!

thanks for posting Scott!!

[70TWO NOVA]

dang that thing sounds insane!

[pokey64]

That thing is Killer!

[Bow Tie 67]

HOLY f $$ k !!!!!

[JohnC]

Congrats, Mark!

Car sounds great. Good Luck this weekend.:thumbsup: ...if it was not my son's birthday, I would be there!

Come and see me when your not so busy..:lol:

for your :cool: ....

Take Care,
John

[Stuart Adams]

Check your seat belts!! Sounds great. Should pump out some impressive times. Congrats on the car.

[camcojb]

Mark is real happy with how this car turned out, which speaks volumes considering the builds he's done in the past........... :thumbsup:

Jody

[NovaBlue71]

Great to see it running on the chassis dyno Mark,saying it's been a busy last week would be understatement huh? I think the car has so much of a factory appeal which I really like but with a modern twist that is bad ass. Have a safe trip over to motorstate. see you this weekend Joe :thumbsup:

[olds87]

:wow: Geez, look like that car pin you back in seats. Have a fun.

[clill]

Makes my car sound like a sissy. It is very badass.....

[XcYZ]

Makes my car sound like a sissy. It is very badass.....

I see where this is going.... :D

[GrabberGT]

Here's a video Charley took about an hour ago of Mark and company tuning his car on a chassis dyno at Stenod's. Sounds pretty damn healthy. :cheers:

www.Lateral-g.net/temp/stielow.mov

Can we get this posted to youtube. Cannot view from work.

[awr68]

Sounds awesome!! And looks great!! :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Sounds insanely powerful, speaking of that, how much power did it make?

[GregWeld]

Sounds DANGEROUS!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Stuart Adams]

Can I nickname it Badass kin of Jackass. Sounds wicked.

[clill]

I don't remember the hp but I think it made 800ft lbs of torque. Brian Thomson builds killer engines. Brian is going to show up tonight with his chevelle that makes 900 ft lbs.....:hail:I

[JKnight]

Yeah, and 700 hp at about 4800 rpm, peak of nearly 750hp.

[Stuart Adams]

Superchargers are a beautiful thing, the torque will make it feel like 1000hp.

[Rybar]

That's just badass. :hail:

[RickM415]

sweet! that baby is bad

[buickfunnycar.com]

holy crap...:willy:

[tones2SS]

Sounds very angry and very fast.
I bet that bad boy got some serious torque numbers!!:wow: :thumbsup:

[Tom.A]

Awesome :hail:

[bulldog19]

Awesome Build. Can i put my name on the list behind Charley for when Mark decides to sell this beast?
Nice work Mark you have raised the bar yet again.

[Davezz28]

Beautiful work Mark

If I may ask, what spring rates are you running? and are they about the same on the Mule and Jackass?

Dave

[Stielow]

We dynoed and tuned up Red Devil last night at Stenod Performance. After some tweeking RD made 594 ft*lbs at 4200 torque and 569 HP at 6300 to the rear tire. Compared to Jackass last year 460 ft*lbs at 4400 RPM and 498 HP at 6400. All dyno pulls were done with the coolant temperature at 220 F to simulate track usage. JA was fast but I think RD will be a bit faster.:thumbsup:

The new calibration has 11,000 changes from what we had at Gingerman. The car hauls ass now. :woot:

The graph below shows Jackass with dashed lines and Red Devil with solid.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Dyno2.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/Dyno-1.jpg

[camcojb]

gonna be a ball Mark. I need a ride....................... :unibrow:

Jody

[Stielow]

gonna be a ball Mark. I need a ride....................... :unibrow:

Jody

It would be fun to give you a ride. Because Charley won't ride with me :rolleyes:

Do you plan to go to Optima again?

Stielow

[Cris@JCG]

Mark,

What you do for the oiling system on this build?

[waynieZ]

Wow thats some awesome power.

[camcojb]

It would be fun to give you a ride. Because Charley won't ride with me :rolleyes:

Do you plan to go to Optima again?

Stielow
absolute will be there, already booked flights and hotel. Yeah, your driving scares Charley...................... :lol:

Jody

[Stielow]

Mark,

What you do for the oiling system on this build?

The dry sump tank is a Peterson 2 gallon tank. The LS engine is set up like an LS9 Dry Sump set up.

Stielow

[tones2SS]

Very nice Mark. Nice numbers.:thumbsup:

[awr68]

Great numbers Mark! Thanks for sharing!! :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

I ran my Camaro at a small track close to my house yesterday - Waterford Hills Race Way. I wanted to shake the car down after tuning it up. We also made some changes to try to get it to run cooler than it did at Gingerman. At Gingerman my coolant temp got to 245 F and my oil was over 280 F (off the gauge). We redid the calibration; I added a larger cooling fan and sealed off the rad to the rad support. The other big change was getting all the soap out of the intercooler system. (Tech Tip) NEVER USE DISHWASHING SOAP TO LUBE YOUR HOSES! I was looking for something to make trial fitting the hoses easier on my intercooler system so I used a little dish soap. My whole system was full of tiny bubbles. We finally just hooked a garden hose to the system and flushed it for 30 minutes to flush it all out. Oh well live and learn. That change alone gained us 50 HP on the chassis dyno due to be able to keep the charge air temps down.

I was able to run the car flat out for two 20 minute sessions with no issues and the coolant temp stabilized at 220 F and the oil was 260 F. On a hot humid day in MI on a moderate speed track I feel that is good. On my cool down lap I was to do a good 3 gear burn out down the back straight. :thumbsup:

I drove the car to the track and drove it home with the A/C on. ;)

I got home and put the car up on jack stands to look the car over. The car leaked no fluids - NONE! I love LS engines. The whole bottom of the car is bone dry. If you have ever built a car like this and beat on it at a track you know how hard it is to keep the fluids in it. I'm very happy with the car and how all the DSE chassis works.

I still need to get the ABS up and running. I'll get on that next week. All the wiring checks out so no I think it may be a module issue.



http://www.clutchpics.com/Motorsports/Waterford-Hills-Track-Rentals/2010-07-10-3-Balls-Racing-WHRW/IMG3495a/930365916_GQ3x2-XL.jpg

http://www.clutchpics.com/Motorsports/Waterford-Hills-Track-Rentals/2010-07-10-3-Balls-Racing-WHRW/IMG3557a/930366854_tg96P-XL.jpg

http://www.clutchpics.com/Motorsports/Waterford-Hills-Track-Rentals/2010-07-10-3-Balls-Racing-WHRW/IMG3561a/930367553_gFKjQ-XL.jpg

[awr68]

The car looks great Mark!! Nice heads up on the soap....I have used it in the past and surely would have again....thanks!

Who would have thought you would gain 50 hp by flushing bubbles out of your IC!!

I can't wait to see it at Optima!! :thumbsup:

[ProdigyCustoms]

Who would have thought soap bubbles could cost 50HP! Good info there. Awesome as always!

[coolwelder62]

Congrat's Mark you have rised the bar of what a real protouring/Gmachine should be. Look forward to coming to Pahrump as a spectator this year and realing enjoying myself,and seeing your newest project.Thank's Scott.Litterly your biggest fan.:thumbsup:

[Cris@JCG]

Any chance I can get a pic of where you placed the oil tank? Thanks Mark

The dry sump tank is a Peterson 2 gallon tank. The LS engine is set up like an LS9 Dry Sump set up.

Stielow

[Rybar]

Nice work Mark, photos look great. :thumbsup:

Let's see it run at the events all tuned up.

[Stuart Adams]

Awesome car, can't wait to see it run at Pahrump.

[bonecrrusher]

Just read all 45 pages....

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Ultimatetransfan/Stuff/jizz_in_my_pants.gif

Hope to see this car eventually - going to be at RTTH?

[Stielow]

Just read all 45 pages....


Hope to see this car eventually - going to be at RTTH?

Sorry I'm not going RTTH but, I am going to VIR next week for the Ultimate Track Car Challange.

Stielow

[bonecrrusher]

Damn... thats almost closer then TN.... LOL.

I talked to Charley on the Power Tour about this site, and he mentioned your car... your both leading me down an expensive path! LOL :thumbsup:

[coolwelder62]

Good luck Mark give em hell.

[Stielow]

Good luck Mark give em hell.

Thanks :thumbsup:

I think I found my wiring error on my ABS tonight. I hope to have it fixed by this week end.

Slowly working all the bugs out of the car.

I ordered my BFG R1s today. I'll get a heat cycle on them next week to be ready to go at VIR. UTTC has only a DOT tire rule.

I'm really looking forward to VIR. It is a beautiful track with a lot of high speed sweeping turns.

I'll try to get some in-car video to post next week.

Mark

[olds87]

Have fun man. Good luck :thumbsup:

[thedugan]

what and when is the event at VIR?

[Stielow]

what and when is the event at VIR?

July 23 at Virgina International Raceway in Alton, VA.


http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/events/UTCC2010

There is a discription in the Events area.

Thanks

Stielow

[57hemicuda]

Hey Mark, I'm going to VIR with my Mustang. Not sure if the car will be running or not, but I'm doing the school Sat & Sun. Really interested in seeing how your car(Pro Touring car) stacks up against all out track cars. Should be a good time. Ron

[Beach Cruiser]

I'll also be at VIR next weekend, I'm going to assist Jake and his Camaro entry for the UTCC then running my WS6 for a hyperdrive session on Sat. Anybody up for a lat-g mini gathering?

[NEWFAVR8]

Does anyone know if Mark's car will be featured in any upcoming magazines?

NEWFAVR8

[Payton King]

for Camaro Performers.

Mark,

Good seeing you again at VIR. My kids were digging you 69. They took lots of pics..none of them good. LOL

You definitely have the driving skills! Amazing watch you wheel Mike's Camino around the track.

[Beach Cruiser]

The guys from GrassrootsMotorsports took a lot of pictures of Mark and Jake's cars. I think I heard them say they were going to run a feature on them in the next edition.

[clill]

Does anyone know if Mark's car will be featured in any upcoming magazines?

NEWFAVR8

Camaro Performers shot it while it was at the Motorstate Challenge.

[tones2SS]

That car is a BEAST!!!:faint:

[parsonsj]

Awesome build. :thumbsup: Way awesome build!

Anyway, I've read this whole thread trying to figure out what ABS controller that is. :(

Mark, do you mind telling us a little more about the ABS controller and associated wiring?

thanks!

jp

[Bow Tie 67]

Awesome build. :thumbsup: Way awesome build!

Anyway, I've read this whole thread trying to figure out what ABS controller that is. :(

Mark, do you mind telling us a little more about the ABS controller and associated wiring?

thanks!

jp

John,

I spoke with Mark at that motorstate challenge, he has access to software to program it. Us mortals have to deal with a system that will not be optimized for the application. Matt from Morrison has adapted one to his 69 and seems to like it, but I have no idea if he was able to program his or not.

Matt

[parsonsj]

Matt from Morrison has adapted one to his 69 and seems to like itYes, Matt Jones and I have had several discussion about his setup, and I'm going to use the same wheel sensors (C6 front/4th gen F-body back) he is using. It's the controller that Mark is using that intrigues me. It looks like a Bosch 8.1 unit (CTS-V, maybe?) and I'd just like to know some more about it.

jp

[BobB66SS]

Yes, Matt Jones and I have had several discussion about his setup, and I'm going to use the same wheel sensors (C6 front/4th gen F-body back) he is using. It's the controller that Mark is using that intrigues me. It looks like a Bosch 8.1 unit (CTS-V, maybe?) and I'd just like to know some more about it.

jp

Mark stopped in at a local car show with it briefly today, you should have seen the size of the crowd slobbering all over it (me included). Got to talking with him a bit about the various systems, during which he mentioned the ABS system is from a 2006 Z06.

The car is spectacular in its execution. Nothing unnecessary or out of place, just purposeful components and systems. All while looking mean, kicka$$, and gorgeous. Made me want to junk all my stuff and start over. :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Well, I have a dilemma. This weekend I can take my car to Gingerman Raceway to a Ferrari Club track event and kick sand in the face of some uber Euro cars and eat brie and drink wine. Or I can go to Detroit and do an AutoX in a parking lot on Belle Isle (they find a few dead bodies on Belle Isle every year). Hmmm.

Ferraris, wine & cheese OR gunfire, grumpy SCCA people while standing in the sun shagging cones…..such a tough decision.

Well, due to the fact that the AutoX counts as the same amount of points at Optima as the road race portion, I need to go sort out my car for AutoX. “Honey where did I put my Glock and my AutoX tires”?

Since the Wal-Mart went to 24 hours I can’t practice there anymore.

Oh well, could be fun. I moved my speed limiter up to 60 mph because they said it would be a “fast” one.

I have been beating on my car a bit. After the VIR deal I got the rack fixed and the ABS working. The car hauls now.

We did Woodward Dream Cruise. Fun doing 3rd gear burnouts on Woodward.

Looking forward to the LS Fest in Bowling Green, KY and then SEMA and the Optima Shoot out.

My only problem with the car is I have to wash and polish it all the time because the paint and body work is so nice…. I blame Paul and Joe… Thanks guys everyone loves the paint. :bow:

Stielow

[70TWO NOVA]

Go beat up on the preppies in their Ferrari's! lol sounds like so much fun... :lol:

[BBC71Nova]

Since the Wal-Mart went to 24 hours I can’t practice there anymore.

That's awesome :thumbsup: Can't wait to check it out at an event some time.

John

[JohnC]

Very cool :thumbsup: ...wish I could have seen it at Woodward...

[awr68]

Good to see ya using the car and having a blast! See ya in 'Vegas!! :cheers:

[coolwelder62]

Mark if you need someone to polish & clean at Optima I will work for free.Want you to get a ton of style point's.My money's on you this year.Scott:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

That right there Mark - is just too much fun!

EEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

See ya at SEMA.

[XcYZ]

…I blame Paul and Joe…

:lol: :cheers:

[preston]

What was wrong with the rack ?

I never did read any real details on how you implemented ABS. Is it a straight vette setup ? Did you have to "reprogram" it ? if so, how did you interface it ? What is the path for more people adopting ABS into these cars ?

[parsonsj]

I never did read any real details on how you implemented ABS. Is it a straight vette setup ? Did you have to "reprogram" it ? if so, how did you interface it ? What is the path for more people adopting ABS into these cars ?Great question!

jp

[Rybar]

Fun doing 3rd gear burnouts on Woodward. :hail: :thumbsup:

[The WidowMaker]

Mark, this was a few pages back, but did you get your bolts baked after the zinc coating. Some companies want to bake, others state that they are on the edge if grade 8 and dont need to be done????

thanks, Tim

[Stielow]

Mark, this was a few pages back, but did you get your bolts baked after the zinc coating. Some companies want to bake, others state that they are on the edge if grade 8 and dont need to be done????

thanks, Tim

I'm not sure. I just dropped them off to be done. Sorry :rolleyes:

Mark

[Stielow]

What was wrong with the rack ?

I never did read any real details on how you implemented ABS. Is it a straight vette setup ? Did you have to "reprogram" it ? if so, how did you interface it ? What is the path for more people adopting ABS into these cars ?

The rack was a remanufactured part that had a defect in it. It looked liked it had been clamped in a vise at some point due to the marks on it. It developed a 2 inch long crack right in the middle of the vise marks. I installed a new rack that looks like it was deburred and have had no issues.

The ABS unit is a 2006 Corvette Z06 unit. I used the Z06 unit because it has the right calibration to match the Brembo calipers I'm runninG. Same piston volume as the PBR calibers.

The hardest things I had to were:

Getting passive rear wheel speed sensors in the Ford 9" with the correct number of teeth to get the pulses per rev correct. I ended up using 2004 Mustang wheel speed sensor and 2006 Mustang tone rings. I have a ton of time in making the backing plates to get the wheel speed sensor, park brake and the caliper to all fit up robustly. The front wheel speed sensors are production C-6 Corvette on the DSE front clip.

Building all the brake hardlines. I have about 40 feet of S/S brake line in my car. I purchased a hydraulic flaring tool to get all the flares right. For the inverted flares and the metric flares.

Building the wiring harness so it is not susceptible to EMF or noise. Routing it in the car to keep it away from heat and is durable.

Of the things that I did on the car ABS brakes was the hardest because it was the first time I tried it. I still have a prop valve in the system so if it faults out I will not have too much rear bias.

I got the system to work by tricking it to think it was installed in 2006 Corvette. Due to the fact I have a stock C-6 ECM in the car I hooked the CAN data stream up between the two. The other sensors were faked or installed.

Mark

[camcojb]

The rack was a remanufactured part that had a defect in it. It looked liked it had been clamped in a vise at some point due to the marks on it. It developed a 2 inch long crack right in the middle of the vise marks. I installed a new rack that looks like it was deburred and have had no issues.

The ABS unit is a 2006 Corvette Z06 unit. I used the Z06 unit because it has the right calibration to match the Brembo calipers I'm runninG. Same piston volume as the PBR calibers.

The hardest things I had to were:

Getting passive rear wheel speed sensors in the Ford 9" with the correct number of teeth to get the pulses per rev correct. I ended up using 2004 Mustang wheel speed sensor and 2006 Mustang tone rings. I have a ton of time in making the backing plates to get the wheel speed sensor, park brake and the caliper to all fit up robustly. The front wheel speed sensors are production C-6 Corvette on the DSE front clip.

Building all the brake hardlines. I have about 40 feet of S/S brake line in my car. I purchased a hydraulic flaring tool to get all the flares right. For the inverted flares and the metric flares.

Building the wiring harness so it is not susceptible to EMF or noise. Routing it in the car to keep it away from heat and is durable.

Of the things that I did on the car ABS brakes was the hardest because it was the first time I tried it. I still have a prop valve in the system so if it faults out I will not have too much rear bias.

I got the system to work by tricking it to think it was installed in 2006 Corvette. Due to the fact I have a stock C-6 ECM in the car I hooked the CAN data stream up between the two. The other sensors were faked or installed.

Markin other words, being a GM suspension engineer helps a ton.................... :lol:

Jody

[Stielow]

in other words, being a GM suspension engineer helps a ton.................... :lol:

Jody

And being and to read a wiring diagrams.....We also built the engine harness from scratch. Lots or wires. My buddied Ryan Kuhlenbeck wired the whole car and built all of the harness. He had about 200 hours in just wiring the car and making the harnesses. :hail:

[coolwelder62]

WOW!! Mark :hail: :thumbsup: :hail:

[JohnC]

And being and to read a wiring diagrams.....We also built the engine harness from scratch. Lots or wires. My buddied Ryan Kuhlenbeck wired the whole car and built all of the harness. He had about 200 hours in just wiring the car and making the harnesses. :hail:

Ryan is a great (and smart) guy. Glad to meet him.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Congrats Mark on all the progress so far on the ABS.

Maybe a mini build book devoted just to making ABS work on these old cars?

[tones2SS]

Nice work Mark!:thumbsup:

[57hemicuda]

Good seeing you at VIR, sounds like your pretty sure the rack was given the squeeze in the vise causing its failure. Did you end up changing the mounts at all? Cheeses you off that your weekend got cut short by no fault of your own.

I never realized how much flex these cars go through, until VIR. The apexes on the S turns at 120mph, tires left the ground on more then one occasion. Fun weekend. Ron

[parsonsj]

That response about the ABS was helpful. Thanks!

jp

[Stuart Adams]

Well, I have a dilemma. This weekend I can take my car to Gingerman Raceway to a Ferrari Club track event and kick sand in the face of some uber Euro cars and eat brie and drink wine. Or I can go to Detroit and do an AutoX in a parking lot on Belle Isle (they find a few dead bodies on Belle Isle every year). Hmmm.

Ferraris, wine & cheese OR gunfire, grumpy SCCA people while standing in the sun shagging cones…..such a tough decision.

Well, due to the fact that the AutoX counts as the same amount of points at Optima as the road race portion, I need to go sort out my car for AutoX. “Honey where did I put my Glock and my AutoX tires”?

Since the Wal-Mart went to 24 hours I can’t practice there anymore.

Oh well, could be fun. I moved my speed limiter up to 60 mph because they said it would be a “fast” one.

I have been beating on my car a bit. After the VIR deal I got the rack fixed and the ABS working. The car hauls now.

We did Woodward Dream Cruise. Fun doing 3rd gear burnouts on Woodward.

Looking forward to the LS Fest in Bowling Green, KY and then SEMA and the Optima Shoot out.

My only problem with the car is I have to wash and polish it all the time because the paint and body work is so nice…. I blame Paul and Joe… Thanks guys everyone loves the paint. :bow:

Stielow

Looking forward to Pahrump. Joe does awesome work.

[Stielow]

That response about the ABS was helpful. Thanks!

jp

Once I know all the bugs are worked out I can tell more. I'm still in the development part of this program. I do not want to give advice to people on brakes. If it goes bad it can go real bad. I have been pitched off track a few times due to ABS glitches. I want to know it works very well before I tell how I did it. It is still a WIP (Work In Process). Once I have sorted it out I'll let the Lat-G guys know. :thumbsup:

Mark

[parsonsj]

Once I have sorted it out I'll let the Lat-G guys know.
Sounds awesome. :cheers:

jp

[Stielow]

Sounds awesome. :cheers:

jp

Well so far I have a 60-0 mph braking down to 107 feet :D

I need to look at breaking in a turn and split Mu.

Stielow

[parsonsj]

For those who don't know what "split Mu" is (like me 5 minutes ago :) ):

when a vehicle attempts to brake on a surface with uneven friction coefficient such as on wet or icy roads it is called a split Mu scenario

But 107 feet sounds good. Real real good. Thanks very much.

jp

[jimbo]

For comparison to the 107 feet.
I found this from a 2009 ZR-1 Corvette test.
"A set of carbon-ceramic brake rotors are included as one of the Corvette's most notable upgrades, and they're no joke. They provide enough bite to haul the ZR1 down from 60 mph to a stop in just 96 feet, an amazingly short distance matched only by the $192,000 Porsche 911 GT2."

[Bow Tie 67]

For those who don't know what "split Mu" is (like me 5 minutes ago :) ):

when a vehicle attempts to brake on a surface with uneven friction coefficient such as on wet or icy roads it is called a split Mu scenario

But 107 feet sounds good. Real real good. Thanks very much.

jp

Hmmm I'll assume thats what caused the 4th gen F-bodies to plow through corners on the track. I have heard it called " Ice mode ". Basically when you introduce race rubber and hard braking on the track the computer was confused on the what to do and released the brakes.

Mark do you know if the newer generation software was calibrated to a different outcome? I would assume so as I have not heard about vettes having this problem.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

We were just glad to be part of such a great project!:thumbsup: Looking forward to seeing the car again at LS fest in a few weeks. and...you still owe me a ride! lol :D

Paul

[Thomo5150]

Hi Mark, its a bit off the subject but I just read a few posts back that your a GM Suspension Engineer. Just a quick question, I'm doing a C5 drivetrain conversion here in Australia to a Holden Ute. I'm modifiying the Holden chassis for the C5 cradle. I'm working out cradle height at the moment, could you tell me if the cradle is level to ground or is it tilted back some degrees when installed in the C5?.

regards Tim

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[Stielow]

Well I did my first SCCA AutoX today in 15 years. It was just liked I remembered. Due to the fact I haven’t been to a Detroit Region SCCA AutoX in a long time I sent the “Director” of AutoXs an email as to what I should do. He said you HAVE to be there before 8:00 to get teched and the first car would be on track at 9:00. OK! I got up at 6:30 this morning got ready and hit the road in my car with visions of cones in my head. I got to the parking lot at 7:45 sharp to see 6 other cars in the parking lot? OK so now I’m here let’s get teched. Some old guy looked at my car for 30 seconds and put a green dot on the windshield and a sticker on my helmet. OK now it is 8:00 LET’s GO because I’m excited. Not so fast you need to go register. OK LET’s GO. I went over and stood in line. When I got to the front of the line the grumpy SCCA lady said I need to see your SCCA card. I said well I registered on line and I didn’t bring it with me. Well after some phone calls I got my number and I was READY to go. At 9:30 we got to walk the parking lot. We walked the lot until 11:00. Alright NOW I’M ready to go. “Not so fast you are in the second run group so you need to work the “Course” as a cone chaser”. OK LET’S GO. I stood in the middle of a parking lot in full sun for 2 ½ hours in 95 degree heat. So when I finished my worker session I got to RACE……I belted in my car sunscreen in my eyes and sweat beading up on my sunburned face. I lined up and launched my car I ran up through first gear….wait….I stayed in first gear for the whole lap. OK I still have visions of cones in my head and I think I can go a little faster. 38.6 seconds later I did go faster……Yeeeehaaaa.
So, for sweating my butt off I got 5 – 38 second laps in a parking lot in Detroit. So for my $25 entry fee I got 3.2 minutes of track time. Or it cost me $7.81 a minute for “track” time. I can go to my local track and run a track event for $200 for 4 – 20 minute sessions. So that is $2.50 dollars a minute for track time and I DON’T HAVE TO STAND IN THE SUN. Humm.. so Auto crossing is cheaper?

As I drove home past all the blight in Detroit with my A/C blowing ice cold on my sun burned face I had a chance to reflect on the day……I still think this sport of ours has a place in it for everyone. If you do something and you like it keep doing it. If you don’t then stop. We all got into this to have fun. I’m going to stick to open track events and the muscle car shoot outs and suck it up during the AutoXs.

I get it. I understand AutoXing. It is just not my cup of tea…..


Check out my fancy numbers.

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[GregWeld]

Great write up Mark! And you're right -- in this hobby you get to pick and choose, and do exactly what YOU want to do.

I always say to people -- there are two kinds of car guys... Greasers and waxers... I'm a greaser. I like hands on... I don't like to wax or clean. I like to DRIVE to a show - but I don't like to show.

SCCA must be full of a lot of retired NCRS guys... they sound very similar!

:woot: