Shopping new brake Double Flaring tools - Lateral-g Forums

**Revved** · #1 08-03-2010, 09:22 AM

Well after having for 18 years or so my blue point double flare tool finally gave out so I'm looking around to see what's out there and I came accross this

http://store.fedhillusa.com/flaringtools.aspx

Anyone ever used this thing before? They claim perfect flares every time (of course!) It's not cheap at $325 but they have a little note for shops to call for wholesale pricing.

**GregWeld** · #2 08-03-2010, 05:38 PM

Take a look at MasterCool hydraulic flaring tool kit BEFORE you buy this one...

http://www.amazon.com/MasterCool-Uni.../dp/B00063YR2I

**Revved** · #3 08-03-2010, 06:40 PM

I was on the phone today with Jay in NH from Autobody Specialists talking about benders and flaring tools and he mentioned that mastercool kit too. We were talking stainless bending/flaring stuff mostly since I'm in love with it after doing this brake system in stainless I'll probably start doing my fuel systems in it as well.

Anyone using this Mastercool kit Greg has recommended or this other one I posted? The mastercool kit looks like it does a whole lot more for the the same price plus right under the link you posted you can get the 37* dies for a little bit more. Looks like a good package!

rwhite692 · #4 08-03-2010, 07:50 PM

One thing I learned about making up SS lines is, don't use a conventional tubing cutter, to cut the tubing. The cutting process work-hardens the material right at the point that you are going to try to create the flare.

Use an extra fine hacksaw blade (I have a 30/32 TPI blade just for this) and carefully make your cut that way, then use a disc sander to true up the end, being careful not to heat up the material. (A file can also be used if a disc sander isn't available) Then deburr the inner edge circumfrence, clean out the tubing, etc, then slide on your fittings / make your flare.

Before I figured this out I was having flares on stainless sometimes crack while trying to make them...drove me crazy until my Dad stepped in, LOL.

Some folks also will cut the tubing with an abrasive wheel, but I also found this heats up the stainless too much and hardens it as well.

Reason I mention this is, I was blaming my flaring tool for all of the problems I was having flaring SS...once I got this technique sorted...no more issues.

Also note that if you have some tubing and it's not annealed tubing, you will need to anneal it first before working with it.

**Revved** · #5 08-03-2010, 09:04 PM

Thanks for the tips!

Since this was my first foray into SS lines I did some reading on it and came across the "don't use a tubing cutter" tip. I used my air saw with a fine tooth blade and it worked great. I've always filed the ends when working with standard brake line so that wasn't anything new. Actually everything went really well- did the back half of the car today with all of the brake lines hidden. At the end of today I've realized that I didn't order enough tube nuts and sleeves so I'm reordering tonight to do the front of the car in a few days.

So far I actually like working with SS better than standard brake line. I love the look and I think it works better even when you need to do those fine tweaks that none of us ever have to do since our bending is perfect the first time.

On the next Non-UP car I do a fuel system on I'm going to use stainless. (The UP cars came with aluminum tubing and we go back with it since they are racecar-chic I think the stainless would look out of place.)

Jay gave me the list of benders he uses for his stainless fuel lines and some others on the market. Also told me about the copper washers/cones available to handle minor leaks on the SS due to seams.

I'll post pics when I'm done with the brake lines.

Fluid Power · #6 08-04-2010, 07:35 AM

Good advice guys. I did all of the above, (I cut my tube on a band saw that I slowed way down) and used lubrication on the SS while flaring. I would then throw a plug on the end I just flared and stick it in a bucket of water. Stick the blow gun on the other end. No bubbles, no troubles!

Darren

**Revved** · #7 08-06-2010, 10:13 AM

Nobody have experience with either of these kits?

anybody have something better they are using?

**GregWeld** · #8 08-06-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revved

I was on the phone today with Jay in NH from Autobody Specialists talking about benders and flaring tools and he mentioned that mastercool kit too. We were talking stainless bending/flaring stuff mostly since I'm in love with it after doing this brake system in stainless I'll probably start doing my fuel systems in it as well.

Anyone using this Mastercool kit Greg has recommended or this other one I posted? The mastercool kit looks like it does a whole lot more for the the same price plus right under the link you posted you can get the 37* dies for a little bit more. Looks like a good package!

I own this kit AND the 37* flare stuff as well.... as well as a needle bearing "rotary" style 37* flare tool as shown here (spelled EXPENSIVE):

http://www.newmantools.com/imperial/ft5.html

You can not go wrong with the Mastercool stuff...

I also have a few benders and like this brand / style...

The WidowMaker · #9 08-06-2010, 11:40 PM

greg the "some tools" in your signature needs to be replaced with "a **** load of tools". youve got so much and more....

btw, you can also buy the mastercool kit with just the 37* dies. i plan to use it on all of my brake and fuel lines, so no need to pay for the 45* stuff.

**GregWeld** · #10 08-07-2010, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The WidowMaker

greg the "some tools" in your signature needs to be replaced with "a **** load of tools". youve got so much and more....

btw, you can also buy the mastercool kit with just the 37* dies. i plan to use it on all of my brake and fuel lines, so no need to pay for the 45* stuff.

I've forgotten what many of them are for....