lots of good info here. I like the shark bench w/ both the bender and notcher together, but thats a pretty steep price for a diy/ hobby person to take on. I will prob buy the jd2 model 32 hyd. I already have a air/hyd unit from work i can put with it and a stand should be easy enough to build but not sure of material cost (or if I can build it for 135.00 there price). I already have a small notcher and welders so my next purchase will be a bender. Thanx guys for all the info and insight