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thedude327 · #61 06-07-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by camaro1969

welcome back to my never ending starter problem. Hopefully will get the regulars!

anyways, video's are easier than words... Why am i getting this noise from the pinion and starter, the pinion is popping out, and hitting the flywheel, but as you can see with the video, sometimes it hits, and sometimes it meshes perfectly to turn the flywheel... as of right now, i have it shimmed at .040" right now, clearly its not enough.. but will shimming it more fix the problem, won't i be going to far away with .060"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12AvWBHLB4w

Looks like a bad starter. Also check your timing next time the engine is running because it looks like the flywheel is trying to spin backwards indicating base timing is off.

Paul

camaro1969 · #62 06-07-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thedude327

Looks like a bad starter. Also check your timing next time the engine is running because it looks like the flywheel is trying to spin backwards indicating base timing is off.

Paul

timing was dont after the video..

and as you can see the pinion hits the flywheel, it moves the flywheel, like a pushing motion, and u can see the flywheel move a tad..

battery is connected to starter, and then 12gauge to the alternator from there, the battery is fully charged also.

BTW it is a new mini starter, the other one i got rid of after giving me so many problems, ended up being a issue with the pinion being bent, which i assume was after all the times the flywheel would backfire!

Vegas69 · #63 06-07-2010, 11:37 PM

What's you clearance between the pinion and flywheel. I see you are now running a stock type starter, are you running the brace?

camaro1969 · #64 06-08-2010, 12:35 AM

i was told that if it isnt a stock starter, i dont need a brace!?

Todd, either i fly you or Greg to vancouver, and i may get to drive this car by at least 2015

thedude327 · #65 06-08-2010, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro1969

timing was dont after the video..

and as you can see the pinion hits the flywheel, it moves the flywheel, like a pushing motion, and u can see the flywheel move a tad..

battery is connected to starter, and then 12gauge to the alternator from there, the battery is fully charged also.

BTW it is a new mini starter, the other one i got rid of after giving me so many problems, ended up being a issue with the pinion being bent, which i assume was after all the times the flywheel would backfire!

Base timing being too far advanced will cause a kickback problem that will damage the starters pinion gear/bendix assembly. Get a buddy to sit in the drivers seat with the engine idling in gear and the vacuum line to the distributor removed and plugged and check your base timing. It should be no more than 12 degrees advanced especially if you are running a compression ratio over 10:1 on your engine. Oh and one of your other vids showed a backfire through the carb which is caused by the wrong timing setting.
Good Luck!!
Paul

camaro1969 · #66 06-08-2010, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thedude327

Base timing being too far advanced will cause a kickback problem that will damage the starters pinion gear/bendix assembly. Get a buddy to sit in the drivers seat with the engine idling in gear and the vacuum line to the distributor removed and plugged and check your base timing. It should be no more than 12 degrees advanced especially if you are running a compression ratio over 10:1 on your engine. Oh and one of your other vids showed a backfire through the carb which is caused by the wrong timing setting.
Good Luck!!
Paul

idle without vacuum is 18 and 35 at 3000 rpm.. the older videos are from 2009, i fixed those problems.....i hope...

T_Raven · #67 06-09-2010, 12:27 AM

If a starter will kick out like that but only spin sometimes, it's bad contacts in the solenoid. The solenoid has two functions, move the bendix gear out, and at the same time, there's a plate that completes the circuit between the two big studs on the solenoid.

**GregWeld** · #68 06-09-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by thedude327

Base timing being too far advanced will cause a kickback problem that will damage the starters pinion gear/bendix assembly. Get a buddy to sit in the drivers seat with the engine idling in gear and the vacuum line to the distributor removed and plugged and check your base timing. It should be no more than 12 degrees advanced especially if you are running a compression ratio over 10:1 on your engine. Oh and one of your other vids showed a backfire through the carb which is caused by the wrong timing setting.
Good Luck!!
Paul

Really...... So the 30* locked out timing on my race car engine running 13:1 is just all wrong. Geez.... who knew?

Paul - Not sure where you've gotten this information on base timing but it's just flat incorrect.

camaro1969 · #69 06-09-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Raven

If a starter will kick out like that but only spin sometimes, it's bad contacts in the solenoid. The solenoid has two functions, move the bendix gear out, and at the same time, there's a plate that completes the circuit between the two big studs on the solenoid.

never thought of that, like usually i will turn the key, and it will make that noise of hitting the flywheel, so i get outta the car, take a breaker bar and move the engine by hand, and then crank again, and usually it wont work, so i try again..

I never had THIS issue with my other starters, but I will take a look at my connection, does this mean my solenoid on the starter is no good, or just needs a better connection?

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Greg, now now, Paul meant well!

i really appreciate all the support, at this point im taking all your guy's suggestions into consideration

**GregWeld** · #70 06-09-2010, 05:11 PM

Vic ---

I know people mean well... and usually bite my tongue - but bad info is not what this forum is all about. And that was just plain BS info wise. Can't have people come on here and put up info that might be taken as "gospel" by some less knowledgeable person. We have to remember that LOTS of people read this stuff -- and many aren't members even... Any given day - there are usually more people reading than there are members.... So you (not you personally) post up crap info and people go way either thinking that Lat G is a bunch of bozos and not worth joining -- or newbies go away with some garbage info stuck in their sweet little heads.

Almost ANY of the real gearheads on here - would tell you (confirm) that Pauls timing statement is just BS. I don't know where he got that - I've certainly NEVER heard a rule like that - EVER... and I've been doing this stuff for going on 40 years now... lots of motors - lots of races - lots of car builds... I'm sure he meant well - and probably believes his statement - but he shouldn't because it's not correct.