Forgive me...

[Steve1968LS2]

I swore that I was going to try and not do things to my Camaro only for the sake of looks if it hurt performance in any significant way. Well, I was weak.

While my single piston rear disc brakes were more than sufficient for the job of slowing the car they looked lost inside the back wheel. Also, they didn't have a parking brake, which wasn't an issue with an auto trans, but more of one with the new six-speed.

But those are just excuses.. I was sucked in by the bling and I feel dirty and ashamed...

http://www.lifeinwidescreen.com/siihp/wilwood2.jpg

[camcojb]

:rolleyes: :lol:

Jody

[71Nova]

How could you? Do you really expect us to forgive such an action. :lol:

[novanutcase]

Fugedabowdi...............:lol:

[Datsbad]

STEVE , I MUST SAY THAT THE WILWOODS ARE NICE. So nice in fact that I think I might sell my BAER 6S front and rear system for a new Wilwood system.

[jonny51]

Ah come on your whole car is a showpiece!:lol: :D

[customcam]

datsbad i like those Baer 6s
What ur opinion of the two?

[BC69]

You are forgiven! I expect nothing less from you! ;) I mean that in a good way!


-Tim

[CraigMorrison]

We've got those on the back of the Vette with the matching 14" SL6 fronts. It definitely brings the car to a stop in a BIG hurry!

[ProdigyCustoms]

datsbad i like those Baer 6s
What ur opinion of the two?

Dude, for half the price of the Baers, we been selling the snot out of those 14" / 14" set ups.

[mazspeed]

STEVE , I MUST SAY THAT THE WILWOODS ARE NICE. So nice in fact that I think I might sell my BAER 6S front and rear system for a new Wilwood system.

You would be insane to do that, but Ill take them off your hands :unibrow:

[Steve1968LS2]

We've got those on the back of the Vette with the matching 14" SL6 fronts. It definitely brings the car to a stop in a BIG hurry!

Yea, I hope to have my car ready for testing by April 4th.. know anyone that might want to "throw down" against me at the event?

;)

[Steve1968LS2]

Ah come on your whole car is a showpiece!:lol: :D

Yea, but this is one of the few things that doesn't have a real purpose.. Well, besides looking great.

Dude, for half the price of the Baers, we been selling the snot out of those 14" / 14" set ups.

For the record mine are 13" and 13" ... I had to draw the line somewhere.. lol

Jason, the front calipers are 6-piston and the rear are 4-piston. The rear caliper is the same size as the front though. They are supposed to be balanced to work together.

[Datsbad]

You would be insane to do that, but Ill take them off your hands :unibrow:


Insane then I am .
Frank(Prodigy) is THE hook up for Wilwoods. Buy mine and I am all over a new set of Wilwoods.

Have you priced my exact same set up
14/14 6 front and rear , internal parking brake and 2 PIECE ROTORS

[Datsbad]

Yea, I hope to have my car ready for testing by April 4th.. know anyone that might want to "throw down" against me at the event?

;)


IF I WOULD BE CLOSER I WOULD BE ALL OVER THIS !!!!!!!!

[jonny51]

Yea, but this is one of the few things that doesn't have a real purpose.. Well, besides looking great.


...and not a damn thing wrong with looking great!!

[XcYZ]

Bitchin parts, Steve. :thumbsup:

[mazspeed]

know anyone that might want to "throw down" against me at the event?

;)

Is that a challenge?? :yes:

[CraigMorrison]

Yea, I hope to have my car ready for testing by April 4th.. know anyone that might want to "throw down" against me at the event?

;)

Bring it! :drive:

[Datsbad]

what event?

[Steve1968LS2]

Bring it! :drive:

You're on sucka! :yes:

Provided I can get this biatch ready by then.. I would give my chances of that about a 90%

We should wager? beer? lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Is that a challenge?? :yes:

I think it might just be a challenge :unibrow:

[kp.touring]

Steve,
We'll be there! As Craig said bring it!
Kevin

[Van B]

Bring that sucker east in April for the Midwest F Body event on the 14-15. We can line em up. Orange vs. Red. Beauty and the beast. Would be cool to see them both on the track together.

Then you could just leave it here and come back to run the Power Tour a month and a half later.

Took some pretty cool video a few years ago there for Andrew with his GTO and Cam Douglas' green Camaro coming up the front straight.

http://roadamerica.fbody.us/

Pretty funny, an F Body site with two Z06's on the front page.

[mazspeed]

I think it might just be a challenge :unibrow:
Where is it at? Ill be ready, right Kevin? ;)

[Bowtieracing]

Steve..you should get spanked ....

But i could consider forgiving you if post here detailed story how to mount those sinfull brakes so the rest of us know how to stay out of sin:unibrow:

[Todds69]

Sounds like the "Bling Monkey" is on your back once again, it's hard to kick the habit Steve, but just don't pull a Brittany Spears on us.

[Steve1968LS2]

Sounds like the "Bling Monkey" is on your back once again, it's hard to kick the habit Steve, but just don't pull a Brittany Spears on us.

What? Shave the tires and paint pink hearts on the fender then drive into rehab? lol

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Well i NEVER!...

Why i outta...

I cant believe its not BADUR..:rolleyes: :rofl:


good looking breaks.. i got the same thing.

[californiacuda]

What a beautiful setup. Will there be any issues with balancing the front/rear bias with the new bigger rear disks?

[Mean 69]

In my opinion, the Wilwood kits are the best street brake deal on the market, period. The fit, completeness of the kits, quality, price, etc is second to none, you just can't touch them. I was speaking with them on the big brake kit with the parking brake option well over a year ago, I am glad myself and all of the countless others convinced them it was a good product to develop.

The only beef I have with them is that there is in general "too much" rear brake, meaning even on a 14" front, 13" rear, there is still a bit too much thermal capacity in the rear rotors relative to the fronts, with a 14" / 14", it's even a bit more pronounced. Of course, this doesn't matter on the street or even most casual track days, and before the "Pro Touring" jump in and remind us that "we" are all building "Pro Touring" cars, realize that not all of the folks that come to this site are building street-first, track-second cars. Regardless, these brakes fit the bill for all but the more serious track cars, and look amazing doing it.

By the way, clearly Frank and GP push these kits for a darned good price, but I'd like to also state that we too are a full bore Wilwood dealer and can offer terrific pricing and availability. Frank's just such a nice guy that I've made the decision not to highjack his threads, etc!

As for the challenge, Steve, it's fun, but get real. "That" car in my opinion will pull the best times of any tested to date, it'd better, it's got all the right stuff (should have put a 3-Link in it though ;) ). Your car is BRAND new, it'll kick butt, but you still need a bit of time to do the most important thing of any performance build: dial it in. Hard not to talk trash though, the car is really a terrific piece, it just keeps getting better and better.

Mark

[Steve1968LS2]

As for the challenge, Steve, it's fun, but get real. "That" car in my opinion will pull the best times of any tested to date, it'd better, it's got all the right stuff (should have put a 3-Link in it though ;) ). Your car is BRAND new, it'll kick butt, but you still need a bit of time to do the most important thing of any performance build: dial it in. Hard not to talk trash though, the car is really a terrific piece, it just keeps getting better and better.

Mark

Come on now.. work with me.. lol.. it's all for fun :D

I feel that the new kit is "too much rear brake" but I can dial it down with the prop valve. Even Wilwood thinks it will do little to improve braking over a smaller set-up, but they feel that the larger rotor would do better after repeated stops.

And of couse the 'Vette will beat me.. but I plan on trying to make it close. Gonna come be my pit crew?

Oh, call me.. I have a deal for ya.

[CraigMorrison]

Our biggest problem is getting miles on the Vette. Have you seen what the weather is like up in the PNW during winter? A roadster and R compound tires just doesn't like 40 degrees and rain!

Last weekend we put about 60 miles on the car, and let me tell you, when those Michelin's get warm, that sucka sticks to the ground!!!

We've also got some dialing in to do with our brakes, but again, with warm tires, she stops quick.

[Steve1968LS2]

Our biggest problem is getting miles on the Vette. Have you seen what the weather is like up in the PNW during winter? A roadster and R compound tires just doesn't like 40 degrees and rain!

Last weekend we put about 60 miles on the car, and let me tell you, when those Michelin's get warm, that sucka sticks to the ground!!!

We've also got some dialing in to do with our brakes, but again, with warm tires, she stops quick.

Hey, it's dry down here.. :)

can't wait to see that 'Vette tear it up. I predict VERY good numbers. The only thing nicer than a well done car is a one that get beat on.

[Mean 69]

Oh, I'll be there for you dude!!!! The Camaro should do just fine, thank you very much. That 'Vette though, man, that is one of the sickest cars ever built in my opinion, that thing is going to be a complete rocket.

Craig, by all means, we can certainly help get some miles on the car. I can find one of several garages around here, no problem. It's a dry winter so far, lots of sun ('twas a bit chilly yesterday at 61 degrees....), can't think of a better place to get her all happy and sorted!!!!

Just to clarify a bit, no question you can dial the front-rear bias with a prop valve or a balance bar, that is not an issue at all. What I meant was that after a bunch of repeated stops, the front rotors (taking the vast amount of abuse) will get a "lot" warmer the rears. Honestly, it's not an issue for the 95% of cars/folks, I wouldn't give it a thought unless the majority of your driving time is on road courses that have a lot of braking zones. Even then you'd be able to find and tune the bias, which might be a tick different than the street bias.

Man, the season is just about on us!!! Heck, even my 70 will have paint on her in a month or so!

M

[Steve1968LS2]

Just to clarify a bit, no question you can dial the front-rear bias with a prop valve or a balance bar, that is not an issue at all. What I meant was that after a bunch of repeated stops, the front rotors (taking the vast amount of abuse) will get a "lot" warmer the rears. Honestly, it's not an issue for the 95% of cars/folks, I wouldn't give it a thought unless the majority of your driving time is on road courses that have a lot of braking zones. Even then you'd be able to find and tune the bias, which might be a tick different than the street bias.

Man, the season is just about on us!!! Heck, even my 70 will have paint on her in a month or so!

M

Would running different pad compounds make a difference?

And your '70 is looking GOOD! :)

[1970cuda]

Originally Posted by CraigMorrison
Our biggest problem is getting miles on the Vette. Have you seen what the weather is like up in the PNW during winter? A roadster and R compound tires just doesn't like 40 degrees and rain!

It's 75 degress day here and I am heading to church. I'll drive it for you!:woot:

[olds87]

It's 75 degress day here and I am heading to church. I'll drive it for you!:woot:

What Church you go to?

O, and Steve, nice rear brakes.

[1970cuda]

No one said that you have to be humble going to church just in church. It sure would be more fun than loading up the minivan and heading to church. Plus it might spice things up with a little fire and brimstone.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I think I have to fly out to see this. What dates are we talking? Mark, your a cool cat.

[71Nova]

Steve if your planning on doing this at Fontana, I take your challenge. I think you will kick my butt, but it would be fun to see by how much. I raise you 1 12 pack.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve if your planning on doing this at Fontana, I take your challenge. I think you will kick my butt, but it would be fun to see by how much. I raise you 1 12 pack.

Hey guys, the track testing session in April is a closed event. Due to insurance reasons we can only have people directly involved at the track.

Nonetheless, PHR will have both still and video cameras there to capture the action.

We will be sure to bring you all the info possible about the Morrison 'Vette and how it tears up the tarmac, I'm confident that several new records will be set that day.

:thumbsup:

[cheezer]

[QUOTE=Steve1968LS2]Hey guys, the track testing session in April is a closed event. Due to insurance reasons we can only have people directly involved at the track.

Nonetheless, PHR will have both still and video cameras there to capture the action.

We will be sure to bring you all the info possible about the Morrison 'Vette and how it tears up the tarmac, I'm confident that several new records will be set that day.


Do you know if there will be a stock Mustang or Corvette to establish a "baseline" time. I like reading about the results of these types of track events to get the relative performance of the different cars. I would also like to see a baseline run with a "stock" vehicle to get an absolute performance evaluation.

cheezer

[Payton King]

good choice. I did not opt for the tricky rotors. That is a 19 inch rim and a 12 inch rotor. Yours is bigger...it must be genetics. LOL

[rwhite692]

I swore that I was going to try and not do things to my Camaro only for the sake of looks if it hurt performance in any significant way. Well, I was weak....

Steve, you are forgiven. :D

But, I'm confused...how will these hurt performance, exactly?

[Rybar]

Vette vs Penny vs Fuel :yes:

[TLWiltman]

Would running different pad compounds make a difference?

And your '70 is looking GOOD! :)
Steve, there are a few things you can do. Different pad compounds can be used, but it's really tricky. If not done right, you'll have a change in brake bias with temperature (not always a bad thing, but you could potentially have a change in bias in different places on the same lap:_paranoid ). Brake ducts in the front only can help. Of course, if all else fails, you can go straight to the water mist/front brake ducts (increasing the cooling ability of the front brakes):unibrow:. My plan is to over-cool the fronts (if that's possible) and then balance fron there.

Mark, I haven't seen any recent pics of that thing. I bet it looks killer. You got rear wheels on that thing yet? Backspacing?

[Datsbad]

Vette vs Penny vs Fuel :yes:
I like your thinking.

I need to ditch the DSE speed 3 kit , and get a Art chassis under mine.