One Rare Z-28

[Ummgawa]

Has A/C and Cross ram!!! :unibrow:

http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetaildriver.html?78776052

It just keeps gettin better and better doesn't it?

[907rs]

Nice......... Now don't get any funny ideas, Jim! :D

[69rs]

And an RS too! :yes: But...there's no a/c on a Z! It's not right. :_paranoid

[Steve1968LS2]

Hood fits terrible.. is it fiberglass??

Stripe is painted wrong on the trunk.. should stop under the spoiler..

Disconnected PCV hose on passengers side..

Still a cool car, I hate to be picky but for over $90k you should be ;)

I wonder if the crossram came on the car? Heck, If I had a nickle for everyone one of those that I saw ripped off a car and tossed in the junk pile (back in the day) because they ran bad and were a PITA to tune right I would at least 60 cents..

[rwhite692]

That stripe is painted correctly if spoiler was dealer installed. According to the CRG, there are many documented examples of cars like this.

From the CRG web page:

Q: What is the correct trunk lid striping for a Z-28 with a spoiler?


A: If the spoiler was installed at the factory:
The paint stripes go over the spoiler, and end at the bottom of the spoiler (and therefore not on the back lip of the trunk lid)
The Camaro trunk lid emblem was moved forward, up the trunk lid, from station 125.00 to station 121.73, a distance of 3.27 inches, and the Z stripe was masked (1967-68 only) around the emblem.
If the spoiler was installed by the dealer:

The stripes were painted on the trunk lid at the factory and thus, without a spoiler, run all the way through to the lip of the lid. The dealer installed spoiler was attached over the factory stripes and then the dealer painted the spoiler to match.
The dealer did not relocate the Camaro emblem.

[Ummgawa]

Very early, Oct Nov 68 69 Z-28's had the narrow 68 style spoiler and in some cases, according to Jerry McNeish's "Definitve 69 Z-28 Book" some had narrow stripes also. Mine came with the narrow 68 spoiler. chambered exaust, no cowl hood (Larry Shinoda was designing it still). Course I added it myself cause it is so wicked looking. Mine doesn't even have X33 on the tag because its a 4th week November car, but the "X33" was marked on the back seat bulkhead, right motor, etc.

[Steve1968LS2]

That stripe is painted correctly if spoiler was dealer installed. According to the CRG, there are many documented examples of cars like this.

From the CRG web page:

Q: What is the correct trunk lid striping for a Z-28 with a spoiler?


A: If the spoiler was installed at the factory:
The paint stripes go over the spoiler, and end at the bottom of the spoiler (and therefore not on the back lip of the trunk lid)
The Camaro trunk lid emblem was moved forward, up the trunk lid, from station 125.00 to station 121.73, a distance of 3.27 inches, and the Z stripe was masked (1967-68 only) around the emblem.
If the spoiler was installed by the dealer:

The stripes were painted on the trunk lid at the factory and thus, without a spoiler, run all the way through to the lip of the lid. The dealer installed spoiler was attached over the factory stripes and then the dealer painted the spoiler to match.
The dealer did not relocate the Camaro emblem.


Except all Z28's had spoilers :)

[69rs]

Steve, nope they didn't. :(

[rwhite692]

From the CRG:

At the start of the model year the standard 1969 Z28 was indicated as Z28BA. In the middle of the model year, the formerly optional D80 spoiler became a part of the Z28 package, and at this time the ECL changed to Z28BB.

[Ummgawa]

The 69 Z's only got better the longer the run went. The earlies, Like mine, could be got w/o spoilers, console, gauges, and obviously the cowl hood. Down side was that the chambered was "done in" for noise. Imagine that. I really just love the old horsepower approach,though. Lots of seams, if you catch my drift.

[JohnM69SS]

I deal with this kind of thing with my car all the time. If I had a dollar for every time someone sees my car and whispers to a friend "its not an SS, there's no console", I would be rich. My car is a true SS (X-55 code), but did not come with a console or tach.

In any case, if that cross ram set up is original, that alone would brink up to 20K on E-Bay.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, nope they didn't. :(

Well hell.. i've never been part of the "chalk" crowd anyways :)

I know every rule back then had exceptions but MOST Z28's in 69 had rear spoilers and I would think that if a car was ordered with a cross ram option that it would have been well loaded out and had a spoiler. If they would have ordered a stipper then I doubt it would of had an RS package.

I'm not saying it is or isnt..just my opinion which is worth somewhere south of .02 on this :)

And yes.. it still amazes me but a numbers matching cross ram intake and matching carbs is worth a very nutty $20k..

[Steve1968LS2]

I deal with this kind of thing with my car all the time. If I had a dollar for every time someone sees my car and whispers to a friend "its not an SS, there's no console", I would be rich. My car is a true SS (X-55 code), but did not come with a console or tach.

In any case, if that cross ram set up is original, that alone would brink up to 20K on E-Bay.


Well that is just silly... even I know that an SS does not have to have a center console.. i think it does have to have front disc brakes though.. besides if you car is x55 coded then it is a no brainer :)

[rwhite692]

Hi Steve- I'm definately not part of the "chalk crowd" either (just look at my cars!) But when there are so many cars out there that are not what they claim to be, you learn to really appreciate references like the CRG....

The car in question of course, if a real Z-28, could not have had A/C. Looks like a pretty nice job was done to add it to this car, tho.

Anyway...many documented examples of "stripper" cars as you say, with few options, were equipped with crossram setups.

Yep, it certainly is amazing, the prices the originals command nowadays.

[jannes_z-28]

According to several sources no Z/28s came with the cross-ram from the factory, they were all dealer or customer installed.

Thera are a guy over here that bought a Z/28 a couple of years ago, it had a cross-ram with it (not installed) the seller asked for $500 extra to sell it with the car. The guy buying the Z/28 thought it wasn't necessary and refused. Bummer!!

When he realized his misstake and called the previous owner he had already sold it. As the story goes this intake was sold with the car...


And about '69 Z/28's people say just about anything. The guy I bought mine from claimed that it was a numbersmatching car. Yeah right, with a 396!!


Jan

[JohnM69SS]

Yes, you are right. The crossram intake was dealer installed. I did see a 69 Z/28 out at Carlisle a few years ago that had the true winters crossram intake, sequential serial number carbs, etc, and had the original intake and carb and receipt for the dealer install.

[69rs]

As far as the a/c goes, the ad said it was "added" for your comfort on the way to car shows.

And Steve, the only reason I know about the spoiler is a friend of mine is the original owner of a "stripper" Z28. It had a flat hood and no spoilers. He has added them over the 35 years he's had it, but is considering taking it back to stock during the next restoration.

[Steve1968LS2]

And Steve, the only reason I know about the spoiler is a friend of mine is the original owner of a "stripper" Z28. It had a flat hood and no spoilers. He has added them over the 35 years he's had it, but is considering taking it back to stock during the next restoration.

No prob :)

I know they could be had that way but it is very doubtfull that a car would be a "stripper" (ie. flat hood and no spoiler) AND have the RS package.. it is non-sensical..

More the likely they just painted the stripe "wrong" when restoring the car.

Does adding a factory AC unit to the car hurt it's collectability? I would think it would to the purists that buy these types of cars.

[jannes_z-28]

No prob :)

I know they could be had that way but it is very doubtfull that a car would be a "stripper" (ie. flat hood and no spoiler) AND have the RS package.. it is non-sensical..

An Z RS could be a "stripper" as well as a non RS, the ZL2 hood was quite rare on Z/28's. they only made a little over 10.000 units and of those all Indy's and COPO's had ZL2 that take away about 4.700 units to be shared on all 69 Camaros. So a Z/28 without the ZL2 hood was more common than one with it. And for those made before 12E it wasn't available.

The first car to get a ZL2 hood was COPO #1

In Jerry MacNeish book "The Definitive 1969 Camaro Z/28-SS396 Fact Book" there is one RS "stripper" on page 5, Jim Brandenburg is the owner.


Jan