Uh oh, MWR got the book thrown at them

[XcYZ]

$100,000 for putting sterno in the intake manifold. I wonder how much additional power that makes. I can't imagine it would be a whole lot?

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Man, I cant believe all the fines going out lol.

[Derek69SS]

He lost 100 driver and owner points too. :thumbsup:

It's about time they start getting tough with the cheaters. If you're dumb enough to get caught, you deserve to have the book thrown at you... if you're clever enough to get away with it, more power to you! :willy:

[61Bubbletop]

That is the only way Toyota can compete...:rolleyes:

[Fluid Power]

I read it was a jellied version of jet fuel...It is supposed to bleed off with the mixture increase power and leave no residue...supposed to...:_paranoid

Nascar needs to start hammering the drivers, not the crew chiefs if they want to stop all this monkey business. It might piss off the fans, but the teams would get the message pretty quick. Just my 2 cents.

Darren

[Smack_talker]

He lost 100 driver and owner points too. :thumbsup:

It's about time they start getting tough with the cheaters. If you're dumb enough to get caught, you deserve to have the book thrown at you... if you're clever enough to get away with it, more power to you! :willy:

I guess we know that Waltrip is not smarter than NASCAR.:lol: I hope they nail all the cheaters hard. Chad Knauss is on my list of cheaters. Harvic's crew chief is also a repeat offender.

[Steve68]

It's not cheating, it's just rules not in Asscars rule book yet!


Personally, I think its great, I love all the innovative ideas!!!

[Payton King]

That with Waltrips manifold that it would not seal properly, thus creating an air leak to all cylinders. Run it a little fat and get extra airflow from the leak...that is inovation.

[Derek69SS]

It's not cheating, it's just rules not in Asscars rule book yet!I'm pretty sure NASCAR has rules specifically stating what fuels they can use. Jet fuel isn't one of them. :_paranoid

[Smack_talker]

That with Waltrips manifold that it would not seal properly, thus creating an air leak to all cylinders. Run it a little fat and get extra airflow from the leak...that is inovation.

If Waltrip's crew cracked the motor open that would be a no-no according to Larry mac. He said that when he owned a toyota truck team that the engines came in ready to go and toyota told them not to touch anything on them. They had people to tune the motors for the teams. I would have to assume (i know) that the Nextel programs runs the same way.

[MaxHarvard]

I'm pretty sure NASCAR has rules specifically stating what fuels they can use. Jet fuel isn't one of them. :_paranoid


Yep, they do, the press conference explained it.

Btw, i'm curious to Steve... were you trying to be funny with the "Asscar" comment or... do you just not like NASCAR or what?

[trapin]

Waltrip is a weeny anyway. His only two wins were Daytona wins where Earnhardt gets killed and half the field was wiped out by a previous accident than he wins the 2nd on a rain out. Now that he's driving a sewing machine I have even less respect for him.

[Smack_talker]

I will be rooting for the Big 3 to show Toyota who is boss on the track.:thumbsup:

[MarkM66]

It's not cheating, it's just rules not in Asscars rule book yet!


Personally, I think its great, I love all the innovative ideas!!!

I agree!

I have a feeling MWR isn't going to be worth a damn. Like has been stated, the guy has never really produced any wins. He's good at marketing though.

[Derek69SS]

The #55 team is done for the season now... They'll have to qualify on speed every week this whole season, which I don't think they'll be able to do. He won't finish good enough in the 150s to secure a spot for Daytona, so he'll be going into week 2 with -100 points... It's tough to get into the top-35 in owner-points when you miss races.

...unless he can get his big brother in the driver's seat to use his "past champion" provisional to get the car in the races but FOX might have a problem with that. :lol:

[Steve68]

I really don't care for NASCAR series anymore, too many rules,I'm not the rule following kind of guy, too much politics, too much "big" business for me, There a couple of races I like Talladega, the road courses, The Southern 500, now gone, I like NHRA, German touring car championship, most other MotorSports,

[61Bubbletop]

Personally, I think NASCAR has devolved into a overblown spec series, where marketing is far more important than the actual racing...you can draw some serious comparisons between it, and WWE wrestling....both products are what I would call sub-standard (my opinion), but the marketing machine makes it entertaining for the masses. I cannot understand why automakers throw approx. 100 million per season at the France family, for what? There is no parity between what is being raced, and what you can buy in the dealership, not even remotely and the manufacturers are far down the list of important sponsors, although they finance a ton of it. First came the restrictor plates, then same bodies different stickers, and changing the rules so uncompetitive teams can complete, instead of being forced to start from the bottom and work up..right up the the ultimate attrocity, the COT (Car of Tomorrow). I believe all of the normal innovation and engineering you would have seen turn up in the cars for a competitive advantage, is now turning up in illegal activities...it really is a shame, as the manufacturer wars of the 60's and 70's were really cool and drove changes to the products you saw in the showroom. Again, just my opinion.

[Serpa69]

I totally agree!

[Beach Cruiser]

I totaly agree, I used to work for a Winston Cup team back in the 80's before the real marketing push took over. Back then, the cars were fairly close to the street version in appearence, now they aren't even close! It's turning into a grown man's soap opera! All my friends are Newbies to the sport and are totally hooked, they can understand why I don't even watch it anymore!

[trapin]

After Earnhardt died, I lost interest. For me it was the end of an era.

[kennyd]

he just raced his way into the 500 , thru the twin 125s

[Sales@Dutchboys]

After Earnhardt died, I lost interest. For me it was the end of an era.

just isnt the same......

[Steve68]

Feb 18th, the day my wife left! I was watching at a friends as she was moving out, I still feel bad about Dale Sr, alot more than my wife leaving, it was bad then but I'm much more happier!

I know when Mark Martain stops driving I'll be even less interested, I don't watch the races, but I check the papers om Monday,

[RaceMan]

Cheating is just part of racing !! I like to think of it as bending the rules ,but you can go only so far and you need to pick your OPORTUNITIES WELL, THEY DID NOT!!!! Winston or Nextel Cup has always had it !! they just don't want it anymore. I think thats probally a good thing, but their still gonna do it!!

[Bill Howell]

Thank goodness for "cheaters".
Without them, innovations would not happen.
NASCAR sux anymore. stock car my big ole butt.
Other than Bristol, I don't see any of the races, just too boring.
Between the "car of tommorrow" rubber stamp car and the big business, it is just not what it used to be and then with Dale gone, who cares anymore. Jr could care less about racing, just how many tee shirts and hats he sales. You can not blame him and others for that, but the drivers are just not hungry anymore and it is just another track another Sunday drive for most of them.
I do like to see people think outside the box though and Mikry gets a nod here for trying. Don't be fooled into thinking $100K even raises an eyebrow to those guys, pocket change for them.

I went to Daytona last weekend to watch the world of outlaws run. I gave away my 500 tickets and came back home Sunday, rather watch it on TV.

[buickfunnycar.com]

NASCAR=boring:cars all look the same,are the same,round & round & round.

NHRA=excitement:8,000+ hp,flames wing high,night qualifying...need I go on?:_paranoid

I too lost interest when Dale died...

[JUSTANOVA]

NASCAR=boring:cars all look the same,are the same,round & round & round.

NHRA=excitement:8,000+ hp,flames wing high,night qualifying...need I go on?:_paranoid

I too lost interest when Dale died...


I also lost interest when Dale died, and agree with all the comments above about big business, and the common bodies etc... I call it NASJOKE my self.

But what is still fun to me is local saturday night (sometimes friday night) dirt track racing, whether it be late models,modified's, or sprint cars. they are a blast to watch and or compete.

NHRA is beyond words, I don't follow it very closely but love to go see it live, it tickles all of your senses.

[Ricochet]

NASCAR=boring:cars all look the same,are the same,round & round & round.

NHRA=excitement:8,000+ hp,flames wing high,night qualifying...need I go on?:_paranoid ...


I have never really been into NASCAR. If I'm flipping through channels I may watch for about 5-10 mins if that.


NHRA...Whole different stroy!! That will get your adrenaline going. Fuel cars..UNBELIEVABLE!! Unlike Football, you have to be there to take it all in and feel it. I enjoy all the different classes. From the excitement side of things I love the Fuel cars - but Pro Stock hands down the tightest and most technical class out there IMO. I'm kinda partial as I used to help run a couple of comp cars in B/A and B/AA. Combo was much like a Pro Stock Car, 500" 5 speed liberty in one and a Glide in the other. Both ran 7.40's - but that was like 4 years ago. One was a 66 Nova my buddy bult from scratch & the other was a old Pro Stock Oldsmobile of Kurt Johnson. Threw in a couple pics, the Olds was sold a few years ago...and you will see what happened to the Nova. He hasn't rebuilt it yet - but it's in the works.

I wonder with all the fines & drama going on if this will hurt NASCAR's ratings - or bump them up even more. Hopefully NHRA can steal more of their spotlight. NHRA has always played second to NASCAR IMO.


Brent

[comp-spec]

My wife and I were at the 500 when Dale crashed. Unforgetable moment.
But I'm an NHRA man Nothing beats TOP FUEL

[Derek69SS]

My wife and I were at the 500 when Dale crashed. Unforgetable moment.I've often wondered what that was like. Did the crowd have any idea he had died?

[tyoneal]

To All:

I started watching NASCAR back in the late 60's and early 70's. To me at that time it was what is was suppose to be. Watch the race on Sunday, buy the car on Monday.

AJ Foyt, Richard Petty, Buddy Baker, Bobby Allison they were great to watch and the cars were much more fun to watch. Everyone knew the teams were doing, "EVERYTHING" they could to win, but that was part of the fun of it.

The fun of the Bootlegging mentality has been ruled out of the racing.

Just too damn many rules. (Anal retentive Bastards)

Dale driving outside the box brought the fun back into watching Nascar. Now that he is gone, it's just another 3 hour advertising campain. No surprises, no nothing.

I remember one of the last races Dale drove, some guy pissed him off and on the slowdown lap he purposely nudged the back of his car sending him spinning into the infield. The crowd went wild, and it was just awesome to see a free spirit drive his ass off. Payback was a Bitch.

It was great, unrehearsted, out-of-control, and an absolute blast to watch. He didn't take crap from anyone.

It's time to start a new series with a lot less oversight.


tyoneal

[almcbri]

Thanks to corporate America, that is why Nascar is the way is it today. Big business always has to step in and then it takes on serious changes and a lot of garbage.

To All:

I started watching NASCAR back in the late 60's and early 70's. To me at that time it was what is was suppose to be. Watch the race on Sunday, buy the car on Monday.

AJ Foyt, Richard Petty, Buddy Baker, Bobby Allison they were great to watch and the cars were much more fun to watch. Everyone knew the teams were doing, "EVERYTHING" they could to win, but that was part of the fun of it.

The fun of the Bootlegging mentality has been ruled out of the racing.

Just too damn many rules. (Anal retentive Bastards)

Dale driving outside the box brought the fun back into watching Nascar. Now that he is gone, it's just another 3 hour advertising campain. No surprises, no nothing.

I remember one of the last races Dale drove, some guy pissed him off and on the slowdown lap he purposely nudged the back of his car sending him spinning into the infield. The crowd went wild, and it was just awesome to see a free spirit drive his ass off. Payback was a Bitch.

It was great, unrehearsted, out-of-control, and an absolute blast to watch. He didn't take crap from anyone.

It's time to start a new series with a lot less oversight.


tyoneal

[comp-spec]

I've often wondered what that was like. Did the crowd have any idea he had died?
No the crowd didn't know. They said it at 6:00 everyone was already out of the track. That might of bin a good thing Im sure that place would of went crazy.I stayed around for a couple days. There were lots of sad people

[californiacuda]

Its hard for me to get pumped up, when the 70's cars were running way, way faster than the cars of today. Too many dumb ass restrictions.

Let people be creative, come up with better, faster, solutions.

[Bill Howell]

To All:

I started watching NASCAR back in the late 60's and early 70's. To me at that time it was what is was suppose to be. Watch the race on Sunday, buy the car on Monday.

AJ Foyt, Richard Petty, Buddy Baker, Bobby Allison they were great to watch and the cars were much more fun to watch. Everyone knew the teams were doing, "EVERYTHING" they could to win, but that was part of the fun of it.

The fun of the Bootlegging mentality has been ruled out of the racing.

Just too damn many rules. (Anal retentive Bastards)

Dale driving outside the box brought the fun back into watching Nascar. Now that he is gone, it's just another 3 hour advertising campain. No surprises, no nothing.

I remember one of the last races Dale drove, some guy pissed him off and on the slowdown lap he purposely nudged the back of his car sending him spinning into the infield. The crowd went wild, and it was just awesome to see a free spirit drive his ass off. Payback was a Bitch.

It was great, unrehearsted, out-of-control, and an absolute blast to watch. He didn't take crap from anyone.

It's time to start a new series with a lot less oversight.


tyoneal


Amen to that. Dale at Bristol was the best. No matter where he started, he was coming to the front, and coming in a hurry. Get the hell out of the way or get knocked out of the way, he did not care which. Now in the present PC atmosphere of NASCAR, no one dares bump anymore. I used to go to the Daytona 500, now I go a week early and watch real racing at Volusia County Raceway, dirt track baby.

[Smack_talker]

The day that the manufactors pull their money out of NASCAR, will be the day of reconing. Then we will see how NASCAR survives. I bet the C.O.T will be gone and they will have to make the race cars look like street cars. Ford, Chevy and Dodge arent getting enough value from waht they are spending on NASCAR.