With the talk of going 200mph...

[XcYZ]

This video really shows how fast that really is. I also have to wonder how fast the car was actually going. The speedo says 191mph, but I'd be willing to bet it's not going quite that fast. I'd have to see speed readout from a GPS or radar.

www.4get2.com/2006/12/lambo_murcielago_0_to_190_mph.html

[DocDave]

Damn! Things sounds like a Jet after it goes by; that is moving.

[novanutcase]

This video really shows how fast that really is. I also have to wonder how fast the car was actually going. The speedo says 191mph, but I'd be willing to bet it's not going quite that fast. I'd have to see speed readout from a GPS or radar.

www.4get2.com/2006/12/lambo_murcielago_0_to_190_mph.html

I agree! Looks more like 175 or around there!

[Payton King]

No helment? Dudes standing next to the road at the finish? Ahh to be young, dumb and full of c##. Funny how having kids and little bit of age changes things.

Besides that part. He was definitely hauling the mail. I would do it with full on saftey gear (IE 200 mph cage, fire supression system, etc)

[rwhite692]

You guys crack me up!

As if it would be possible, to judge within 15 MPH...whether he's doing 175, or doing 191, by watching bushes and the white lines whipping by, in this little video...

I believe he was most likely doing the claimed 191. The car can certainly do it. If he was out to tell lies, he'd probably be claiming the big 200.

Too fast for me, in a car with no safety equipment. If he lost a tire, he'd most likely roll and be dead.

I should amend that last sentence... too fast for me, period...:D

[mazspeed]

I'm not sure I would be doing that without a helmet and safety gear. That thing goes out of control with those people there and it would be a massacre.

[4OfaKind]

Seemed like it took him forever to get from 160 to 190mph. What did it take like two miles too.

You guys are not too old. I'm in my 30s and I thought those nuts were too close to the road. :_paranoid

Mal

[OLDFLM72]

Back when I was younger and dumber I did 200mph according to the speedo in my supercharged 93 Cobra with a full Steeda road race suspension under it.
The difference between 150mph and every 10mph increment from there up definately doubles the pucker factor!! I only did it once on the autobahns over there but would regularly roll at 150mph with the AC on the cruise control set and the stereo blastin! (c:]
V/R,
Ty

[cheezer]

[QUOTE=4OfaKind]Seemed like it took him forever to get from 160 to 190mph. What did it take like two miles too.

You guys are not too old. I'm in my 30s and I thought those nuts were too close to the road. :_paranoid

I guess they never saw the video of "Driving with Allah" in the off topic section ..........

cheezer

[quadfather]

DAMN IT SEEMED LIKE IT TOOK FOREVER TO GET THERE . HE USED UP ALOT OF ROAD TO DO IT. I WOULD NEVER TRIED ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON OPEN PUBLIC ROADS. ON THE TRACK I HAVE GONE AS FAST AS 217MPH IN A PRO-MOD DRAG CAR. AND THINGS GO BY ALOT FASTER THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE AT THOSE SPEEDS. THERE JUST WOULD BE NO TIME TO CORRECT FOR ANYTHING THAT MAY GET IN THE WAY. :wow:

[Stuart Adams]

At least at 200mph if you crashed you wouldn't feel anything!!!

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Car sounds killer.

[va72mlibu]

Before deploying to Iraq, my best friend rented a Murcielago for 4 days. We did one high-speed blast on the Autobahn at about 3 am. He drove and I watched the speedo. We touched 330 KPH (205 mph) according to the speedo. Definitely dumb, but we rationalized that it was no more dangerous (and a lot more fun) than the year we were getting ready to spend in combat. I would never want to do that again in a road car.

The rest of the time we spent tooling around on twisty back roads or at the club picking up girls. :unibrow:

[J2SpeedandCustom]

This is 200mph! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzNAYnQblRA

The 2jz will decimate all.... :rofl:

Tommy's car is 3500+lbs, and makes in the neighborhood of 1200rwhp. He didn't go WOT until 4th gear and it was right inbetween the 1/4 and 1/2 mile mark. The only reason is he didn't want the motor at WOT for the whole mile, and the Supra wouldn't have much traction under 100mph anyway with that much power.

[rwhite692]

At least at 200mph if you crashed you wouldn't feel anything!!!

Gosh, I can't even imagine the carnage...especially without any safety equipment...

[3kidsnotime]

You would have better chance jumping out of a airplane at 30,000 ft without a chute....at least you would only be going around 120mph

[rocketman]

i destoryed my pro mod doing 200,and you dont really feel a thing it happens so fast,you cant do anything.

but if the driver wouldn't have kept try to save it,it wouldn't have crashed but i'm aracer,and aint lift'n till the lights or it crashed

[chicane]

That looks and sounds about right.... well.... within 2-3% anyway.

Some years back at the SSC there were two Ferrari Tesa's that broke the 190mph barrier in stock form with much less power. Unfortunately, Larry Bartschi delam'ed a left front at around 180mph and subsequently, found out just how well the stock seatbelts didnt work.... his wife Jean was thrown some 80+ meters from the car and was killed instantly. It hit home real hard, but the race went on.

In my experience, 175mph is right about where everything changes. Your field of view narrows from the blur and the loss of your pheripheral vision makes things slow down, per-say, but you dont automatically perceive the loss. I dunno.... its hard to explain, but the sounds and visual effects from 175 and on is surreal. You also need to slow your own reactions down a tad as well.... as over corrections are your worst nightmare.

During my stint at Guldstrand, we certified every GS-80 chassis before it went to the client. We used to drive down to the west end of the 90 freeway while JJ (from TRACO) and Moody (of Holman and Moody) would sit on their crotchrockets on the side of the freeway with the RADAR and tag us as we went by. It never really bothered me and I never really thought much of it. We were always in full gear and had plenty of time in the seat at 'speed' on the tracks and lakes of SoCal and it just didnt sink in to any one of us.... until one day.... we got back to the shop and JJ dropped the gun into my lap. 193mph. That was enough for me on a public thoroughfare. After that.... it was done on private property.

Have you ever tried to dodge small animals on the open range highways of Nevada ?? Its pretty.... scarry to say the least. It doesnt really sit on your mind until you see the front end of a chassis that hit a 3 pound 6inch tall little bunny at speed.... and the $4k worth of damage it created.

On a side note, there is a little facet of F-body (and crotchrocket) clowns here in Vegas that have some pretty interesting videos of open road stuff here locally (lvfbody.com). I still shake my head looking at an "un prepared" chassis with some cat that isnt wearing full gear and has probably ZERO experience.... or has about ZERO time at speeds sustained over 150mph.

Anyway.... balls-ie video. I guess they always miss the little bunnies ?? :faint:

[nitrorocket]

200 mph is fast. I have buddies that go over 180 mph in the quarter mile! From a standing stop in less then 8 seconds they are going over 180 mph. With a gear change they could do 200 in about 9-10 seconds from a standing stop.
I would have to say the more power you have, the safer it gets. You spend far less time at dangerous speeds. For instance. My Chevelle will do say 150 mph in about 10 seconds if I want. My Audi A6 took me over a mile to hit 130 mph. To me this was much more dangerous. I was traveling very fast for a very long time.

I saw a video of a new vette that went 200 mph, I think it took him about 3 miles, most of the time was spent at speeds over 150 mph.

All I am pointing out is that I feel it is much safer to go 200 mph is a VERY powerful car rather then a low powered car that could potentially take up to 10 times longer to get there.

Make sense? I typed this very quickly!! About 200 mph!

[zbugger]

I hate to say it, but I'm dumb enough to try it. I giggle at 130. I find it enjoyable. And I know the difference is enormous, but so is the difference between 100 and 120. Hell, I know people who say they aren't afraid of speed, yet won't do over 90. They think 75 is fast. I've gone a speed limited 135 and I got bored. I went 130+ in my own Camaro, but the speedo only went to 130 and I know I was going faster. Did that with a broken shock, too. Oh yeah, and 110mph rate tires. So, yeah, us dumbasses are out there. I'd love to try and go faster.

[CRCRFT78]

I topped out my GSXR750 at 145 on the Great Highway in San Francisco and that was fast to me. I haven't been on anything faster since. My Harley "ONLY" goes up to 110 before it tops out. Like I need to go any faster on that. At a certain point it felt as if I was at a standstill while everything else rushed backwards and all of a sudden I was at the end of the run with a Honda about to cut me off. Very stupid on my part to try that on a public road but at 3am you don't expect anyone to be around. I wouldn't mind breaking 200 at Bonneville in my Malibu if that were ever possible.

[Stuart Adams]

I would rather go from 0-100 in 4 seconds than go 200 mph. I like that torque rush, I know I'm old but you can't pick your parents.

[nitrorocket]

I love the acceleration rush too!! It is awesome.

[427]

204 did not feel bad to me, I really liked it. On the next lap the car went 205 and it seemed way faster and scary, but that may have been from the steering shaft stripping on the second run!!

Kurt

[deuce_454]

just out of morbid curiosity... how what would it take to go 200 mph (actually i think that 300 Kph would be enough ..191mph i think) in my BU? im installing an 01, ls1 and a pair of turbos.. but im not sure that an 4l60e can be built to handle more than 650 Hp... i have a full manual AOD/gm, hybrid that should take 900 ponies no problem, but it doesnt have lockup..

what kind of tranny/rearend would it take??

[nitrorocket]

You will have to have a T56 and about 1000 hp to do it in 1 mile from a standing stop.

[68protouring454]

You will have to have a T56 and about 1000 hp to do it in 1 mile from a standing stop.
so it can't be done any other way??? mmmmm........ :rofl:

[camcojb]

You will have to have a T56 and about 1000 hp to do it in 1 mile from a standing stop.

and different 5/6 gears, plus a way to keep the car on the ground (highly overstated, but a major key to the puzzle). Having the hp does not mean you can do it.

Jody

[nitrorocket]

so it can't be done any other way??? mmmmm........ :rofl:


Know a better combo with a G-machine??

[BRIAN]

Comparing hitting 175 or above on a bike is hardly comparable to trying it with your car. Most sport bikes are so overdesigned and capable of satisfying the most experienced rider right out of the box. Maybe a switch to a favorite tire is needed. Look at any new sport bike and the technology is incredible. This all makes hitting those speeds somewhat safe as the machine is more than capable of handling the speed. That does not take into account the rider.


You have a nice car but you have to be kidding. Zero aerodynamic corrections, Heavy street rims, OEM brakes, stock brake system, no chassis changes, hood pins? etc, etc, etc.

The best part is you are trying to find possibly a used T56 where you have no idea of what it's internals hide. So you get this untested deal up to speed and something goes wrong, what then?? Do you have a cage? suit? helmet?


I say go all the way. Take your shirt off, throw on some shorts and flip flops. Buy yourself a Starbucks to hold while attaining the speed. If this isn't distracting enough hold a camera with a live feed so we can all watch it.


I think you can do it and see no reason wht not to try it.

[jeff s]

Mmm, It took that Lambo about 57 seconds, or nearly 30 seconds longer to reach 190 than my Ultima GTR did, scroll down to the second chart.
http://www.sscc.us/results-06-sscc.htm#z2z

[zbugger]

Mmm, It took that Lambo about 57 seconds, or nearly 30 seconds longer to reach 190 than my Ultima GTR did, scroll down to the second chart.
http://www.sscc.us/results-06-sscc.htm#z2z

Damn... I need a ride like I need a heroin addict needs another hit.

[nitrorocket]

Comparing hitting 175 or above on a bike is hardly comparable to trying it with your car. Most sport bikes are so overdesigned and capable of satisfying the most experienced rider right out of the box. Maybe a switch to a favorite tire is needed. Look at any new sport bike and the technology is incredible. This all makes hitting those speeds somewhat safe as the machine is more than capable of handling the speed. That does not take into account the rider.


You have a nice car but you have to be kidding. Zero aerodynamic corrections, Heavy street rims, OEM brakes, stock brake system, no chassis changes, hood pins? etc, etc, etc.

The best part is you are trying to find possibly a used T56 where you have no idea of what it's internals hide. So you get this untested deal up to speed and something goes wrong, what then?? Do you have a cage? suit? helmet?


I say go all the way. Take your shirt off, throw on some shorts and flip flops. Buy yourself a Starbucks to hold while attaining the speed. If this isn't distracting enough hold a camera with a live feed so we can all watch it.

I think you can do it and see no reason wht not to try it.


Can't make heads or tails of this post?? Who's car and bike are you refering to?:question:

[nitrorocket]

Here is a fairly pathetic vette 190 mph video:

http://www.motortrend.com/av/112_0606_sf_2006_chevrolet_corvette_z06_video/


This car did 200 mph in the standing mile:

http://www.ls1speed.com/movies/intmd8_199.wmv
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/nitrorocket/200MPHCAMARO.jpg

This car did about 190 mph with a flipped blower belt!(Standing mile)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/nitrorocket/Stevescar.jpg

It does not seem to take much to do a 1 mile blast!! :unibrow: :D

A 4 point roll bar is needed if car is attempting to hit 190+ mph

I know with my car, with a t56 the 5th gear ratio will be perfect for a 200 mph goal. That is why I say a t56 would be a good choice. Both cars above have a t56.

[68protouring454]

last i checked most g machines do not go 200 mph buddy, i think you need to go 155 first, then worry about 175, then maybe 200 :hail:

[nitrorocket]

last i checked most g machines do not go 200 mph buddy, i think you need to go 155 first, then worry about 175, then maybe 200 :hail:



Why go 155 first?? :D

[camcojb]

Why go 155 first?? :D

Probably meant that as a starting point, since you have not gone that fast in your car yet. I imagine he's speaking of your 155 mph on-ramp blasts which later were found to be 20-25 slower than you thought due to converter slippage.

Jody

[nitrorocket]

Oh. Sounded more to me like he was doubting my car would even go that fast. :)

[chicane]

last i checked most g machines do not go 200 mph buddy, i think you need to go 155 first, then worry about 175, then maybe 200 :hail:

I completely agree.

At the LSR events, once the chassis you plan on driving passes tech... you are required to do incrimental runs, each in succession of speed. Not only for chassis sorting, but for the driver to get seat time and the associated experience that goes along with that.

I also second Jodys comment of:

and different 5/6 gears, plus a way to keep the car on the ground (highly overstated, but a major key to the puzzle). Having the hp does not mean you can do it.

The shear mechanics and aero considerations are really what give you the permission to accomplish such speed.

And in somewhat agreement with Stewart... with the exception of doing 100-0 in 4 seconds. Negative G is just as impressive to me...

[Stuart Adams]

Oh. Sounded more to me like he was doubting my car would even go that fast. :)

Has your car been 200 mph?

[nitrorocket]

I think what most are not realizing about all this 200 mph stuff floating around, is that's not what it is all about. In my case anyway. Much of the 200 mph stuff has come around due to the increase in standing mile participation.

I simply want to floor my car for one measly mile. Just like a TON of people do at the Texas Mile, Maxton Mile, and other events. Most people do not build a car specially for this, they just want to floor there car for one mile and see how fast it is going at the end. Some people go 140, some, 170, and some 200+. It all depends on the power output and the car type.:) Poeple do not go to this and do 5 test trial runs. They pull up to the line and GO. Just like I plan to.
In my case, looking for a "overdrive" trans, I am just looking to have a enough gear ratio to be able to run this without hitting redline at the quarter mile marker, like I have been doing with my 3 speed.
My plan is to get a trans with some additional gears, go to an event, get in line with the pile of other cars, and see what my speed is at the end. For me I am guessing about 200 mph.]
I personally am not out to just cruise around at 200 mph. I may never go that fast in my life. But I am going to do a standing mile event, I will see how much speed that brings. It would sure be foolish for me to go to this event with gearing to go only 1/4 mile.
MY plan, is to have the correct gearing for the estimated speed, and a 6 point bar and 5 point belt. That more then meets the safety requirments for this event. :D

[nitrorocket]

Has your car been 200 mph?

That is why I am looking for some type of overdrive trans. With that, it will easily go 200 mph overall top speed.

[Stuart Adams]

That is why I am looking for some type of overdrive trans. With that, it will easily go 200 mph overall top speed.

Get R done and post the vid.

[nitrorocket]

Get R done and post the vid.


I will try. I will surely have a vid!!:D

[MarkM66]

Get R done and post the vid.


Right! I'm getting Deja Vu with this post.

Just do it. :thumbsup:

[427]

If you only want to run balls out you need to look into the Texas mile. At Maxton they make you go 125-150-175-200. They let you keep going faster each run if you are driving ok and the car has proper parts to make it safe.
One thing that was kinda cool they did that was probably because I was new, the starter checked my belts and gear before he gave me the "the course is yours" at the start. In the drag car they look in the window sometimes, but most times they just wave me through.

Kurt

[camcojb]

I hope you put a cage and safety equipment in the car before trying. I wish you luck but you've got a good thing going with the young wife and new baby and I'd hate to see you screw that up. The "no safety equipment" and your ignorance of aerodynamic effects at that speed scare the crap out of me.You seem to think because you have so much power your car will just squirt up to the speed easily in a mile and then right back down, so aero doesn't matter. Well it does and the amount of air you'll be packing under the hood will have that car going off road (my guess) unless you back out of the throttle. This is of course assuming you get anywhere near 200 mph.Good luck, but don't be stupid, you've got a lot to lose.Jody

[Stuart Adams]

I hope you put a cage and safety equipment in the car before trying. I wish you luck but you've got a good thing going with the young wife and new baby and I'd hate to see you screw that up. The "no safety equipment" and your ignorance of aerodynamic effects at that speed scare the crap out of me.You seem to think because you have so much power your car will just squirt up to the speed easily in a mile and then right back down, so aero doesn't matter. Well it does and the amount of air you'll be packing under the hood will have that car going off road (my guess) unless you back out of the throttle. This is of course assuming you get anywhere near 200 mph.Good luck, but don't be stupid, you've got a lot to lose.Jody

What he said.

[XcYZ]

Are you going to add weight? What does the car weigh now?

When Jody built the Alumin8r with the ProCharged Arias 540, it would lose traction at 120mph. It would show up in the datalog as erratic rpm. With the wind load and your coefficient of drag up around 5 on that brick of a car, that should be a huge concern.

Charley has a street rod (or at least used to) that was a land speed car which had a lot of weight added. IIRC, there was an extra 800lbs or more added.

[camcojb]

there was an article in a recent magazine about a muscle car (believe it was a first gen Camaro) that did the 200 mph deal. They added 1500 lbs of lead to the front subframe to get the weight up to 4800 lbs or so, to keep the front end planted. This was not for sustained 200 mph, just a run up to and back down.Jody

[rwhite692]

Someday, In a purpose-built car, I'd like to experience this kind of speed (200+), at Bonneville or similar, where there is nothing to run into. Anything else for me is just too scary.

Even on a nice, closed off straight piece of open road...lose a tire at that speed, you are definately going off road and most likely digging in and rolling the car as well...nooo thanks....it only has to happen once!

[nitrorocket]

My car weighs 3800 with driver, 56% to the front. I am sure if that 1980 Granada I sent a pic of did it, I should be able to. I have not heard of a car flipping or getting airborne yet...have you? Video? The course is straight ans smooth, In 25 seconds it will be done start to finish. I do not hear of anyone adding weight for this 1 mile run.

I WILL have the required safety equipment. Should be a blast, All the guys I have talked to who did the mile said it was great and had no problems with being unstable or anything. I am not worried in the least.

I like you guys could never imagine someone trying to do this on an open public road. To much to possibly get in front of you. This type of thing should be done on a closed course equiped for this type of thing.

I can't wait, should be fun!! I jsut have to find the right trans setup before I myself can try the run!!:D

[rwhite692]

Well, a certain well known road race camaro, RJ Gottlieb's Big Red, went off road and immediately rolled big time, I think at the La Carrera road race, in like 1989 or so. At that time, it was not the full-tube purpose-built car that it is today. It was more "stock" camaro than not, with a 540 big block.

At that speed, if you leave the road, it's pretty much a given that some very exciting things are going to happen.

But since you are "not worried in the least", why should I have anything to say about it, right?

Good luck, damn the torpedos, good luck and godspeed. Can't wait to see the vid.

[nitrorocket]

Well, a certain well known road race camaro, RJ Gottlieb's Big Red, went off road and immediately rolled big time, I think at the La Carrera road race, in like 1989 or so. At that time, it was not the full-tube purpose-built car that it is today. It was more "stock" camaro than not, with a 540 big block.

At that speed, if you leave the road, it's pretty much a given that some very exciting things are going to happen.

But since you are "not worried in the least", why should I have anything to say about it, right?

Good luck, damn the torpedos, good luck and godspeed. Can't wait to see the vid.


He went off the road in a 1 mile closed course going 200 mph?? What happened that make it crash??

[rocketman]

A C6Z will run 200.in right about a mile

[nitrorocket]

I would guess about 180'ish myself.

[Stuart Adams]

This sounds Evil Kneivel ish, alot of should do's and hope too's. Seriously you need to address the issues Jody brings up before you kill yourself, no chit.

Get R done meant enough bench racing, address the issues and let her rip if that is really what you want to do.

What does your wife think??

[camcojb]

A C6Z will run 200.in right about a mile

no, takes well over a mile to hit 200.

Jody

[427]

My cars aero is way better than a new Z06 and it took 640hp at the flywheel to break 200. A stock Z06 would not go 200 in stock form in a standing mile although it is one bad hot rod.
The Chevelle with a cow catcher and the grill blocked with the suspension slammed to the ground might make 200, but your taking a ton of risk if you just drive up stock and try it. I think it will start to spin the tires at high speed just from the air its pushing.
If you bring the Chevelle to my shop in Michigan we can run the car on my chassis dyno with aero load up to 200mph and it will tell me how much distance and time it took. It is impossible to crash during this test!

Kurt

[rocketman]

no, takes well over a mile to hit 200.

Jody


It might have, I wasn't really paying attention to it,but it will run.

The car is full bolt on car,we did it from a dead stop,on the highway about 2.30 in the morning,I was driving it,but it will run 200

I don't think it took more than 2 miles,she haulin,.

[clill]

I believe GM got a stock ZO6 to 199.6 top speed .

[camcojb]

I believe GM got a stock ZO6 to 199.6 top speed .

not in a standing mile, which is what kurt and I were referring to.

Jody

[jeff s]

At the 0-200-0 event a well driven stock Z06 went 158 in the mile.

[evilzee28]

My car weighs 3800 with driver, 56% to the front. I am sure if that 1980 Granada I sent a pic of did it, I should be able to. I have not heard of a car flipping or getting airborne yet...have you? Video? The course is straight ans smooth, In 25 seconds it will be done start to finish. I do not hear of anyone adding weight for this 1 mile run.

I WILL have the required safety equipment. Should be a blast, All the guys I have talked to who did the mile said it was great and had no problems with being unstable or anything. I am not worried in the least.

I like you guys could never imagine someone trying to do this on an open public road. To much to possibly get in front of you. This type of thing should be done on a closed course equiped for this type of thing.

I can't wait, should be fun!! I jsut have to find the right trans setup before I myself can try the run!!:D

You say you haven't heard of a car flipping over & want video proof it can happen???

Some of you guys may already have seen this, but here's a racing Mercedes Benz CLR at Le Mans in 1999.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:s7fRfcJXWk0J:video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1252498464502394753+mercedes+lemans+flip+over+vide o&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

That car had millions spent on it & had a full aero package, but was able to lift at around 200mph. Your car is home built with NO aero devices at all & has all the aerodynamics of a brick. Your suspension package isn't capable of doing 200mph safely. You've been banging on for ages now about this 200mph run & EVERYONE has told you to reconsider, no one has thought it was a cool idea. They're ALL car guys with a lot of experience with high speed cars, take some advice & stop trying to be the big man by talking nonsense about your car being able to run 200 easily. If it was so easy, the manufacturers like Ferrari, Mc Laren, Bugatti etc would just build high powered engines like you to say they can run 200. Why don't they just do that??? 'cos it a total package & far more than just power to run these numbers.
You have a lovely wife & family, accidents DO happen & you may not live to tell the tale. Take up the offer to run 200 on the dyno instead & live a long life with your young family. People are probably getting bored now by your bravado.:_paranoid

[Stuart Adams]

You say you haven't heard of a car flipping over & want video proof it can happen???

Some of you guys may already have seen this, but here's a racing Mercedes Benz CLR at Le Mans in 1999.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:s7fRfcJXWk0J:video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1252498464502394753+mercedes+lemans+flip+over+vide o&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

That car had millions spent on it & had a full aero package, but was able to lift at around 200mph. Your car is home built with NO aero devices at all & has all the aerodynamics of a brick. Your suspension package isn't capable of doing 200mph safely. You've been banging on for ages now about this 200mph run & EVERYONE has told you to reconsider, no one has thought it was a cool idea. They're ALL car guys with a lot of experience with high speed cars, take some advice & stop trying to be the big man by talking nonsense about your car being able to run 200 easily. If it was so easy, the manufacturers like Ferrari, Mc Laren, Bugatti etc would just build high powered engines like you to say they can run 200. Why don't they just do that??? 'cos it a total package & far more than just power to run these numbers.
You have a lovely wife & family, accidents DO happen & you may not live to tell the tale. Take up the offer to run 200 on the dyno instead & live a long life with your young family. People are probably getting bored now by your bravado.:_paranoid


:_paranoid :_paranoid :_paranoid

[nitrorocket]

Some of you need to chill!
Bravado! I am not on here posting all the time saying I can do 200 and nobody else can or anything like that.
I only start getting saying how powerful my car is when someone says I can't do a standing mile, or shooting me down. Who woud'nt get defensive? It pisses me off, but maybe that's what you goals are, I don't know. I have been asking what other people are doing to there cars to go 200, and asking what transmissions people are using with BIG power with an overdrive.:mad: What the hells wrong with that? That deserves negative or doubtfull comments?? I did not ask for someone to give me permission.
From a small few of you, all I get is that I either do not have the power, or my car will take off and I will be flying with the birds! I did not ask for those comments. If you have nothing positive to say, Shut up!
People do the standing mile ALL the time. I am going to try it to. It's not that damn big of a deal. Drag cars are doing 180+ all the time, 1500+ horsepower trying as hard as it can to do flip it the car into a wheel stand at that speed, noses in the air, they do it every day! Why don't you tell them they should not do that?

All I am saying is enough for the negative "The standing mile can't be done with your car because it's not shaped like the space shuttle" comments.

Look up all the online videos of other cars doing the standing mile and then make your judgements. Real cars, doing a real standing mile.

And you guys ragging on me because I say my car will go 200, when you say it won't, get real, it will, it's mathmatical fact! If you do not believe it, I don't really care anymore, do some research.

You wanna rag on someone...Rag on Rocketman, he's going 200 in a stock vette over a 2 mile span on a public road!!:willy: :_paranoid

To all those who have supported me in my questions with positive info and help, THANK YOU! I really do appreciate it.:D




You say you haven't heard of a car flipping over & want video proof it can happen???

Some of you guys may already have seen this, but here's a racing Mercedes Benz CLR at Le Mans in 1999.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:s7fRfcJXWk0J:video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-1252498464502394753+mercedes+lemans+flip+over+vide o&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

That car had millions spent on it & had a full aero package, but was able to lift at around 200mph. Your car is home built with NO aero devices at all & has all the aerodynamics of a brick. Your suspension package isn't capable of doing 200mph safely. You've been banging on for ages now about this 200mph run & EVERYONE has told you to reconsider, no one has thought it was a cool idea. They're ALL car guys with a lot of experience with high speed cars, take some advice & stop trying to be the big man by talking nonsense about your car being able to run 200 easily. If it was so easy, the manufacturers like Ferrari, Mc Laren, Bugatti etc would just build high powered engines like you to say they can run 200. Why don't they just do that??? 'cos it a total package & far more than just power to run these numbers.
You have a lovely wife & family, accidents DO happen & you may not live to tell the tale. Take up the offer to run 200 on the dyno instead & live a long life with your young family. People are probably getting bored now by your bravado.:_paranoid

[novanutcase]

Nitro - This isn't a rag in any way but just an observation so please take it as such!

I think what the guys are saying is that what you want to do is VERY dangerous undertaking! Yes, I know you know this but do you REALLY understand the consequences? I think what they are also trying to say is that from what they have read in your posts, and with their many years of experience, they feel that your car is really not equipped to go that fast SAFELY! Of course, the choice is yours to make as it is your life but I think the guys are just trying to keep you out of harms way so please don't take it as them ragging on you! They don't want you to get hurt and they have seen how others have told you why you shouldn't do this but you haven't really responded in a way that shows that you are actually taking these peoples advice into consideration and this is what is pissing them off! Again, it is your life and if you feel that this is one of those things that will make it complete then more power to you but I just wanted to maybe help in making you understand where these guys are coming from. BTW I also think that it may not be such a good idea trying to hit 200 mph. You know you've got the motor for it so leave it at that but if you must PLEASE do it safely!:thumbsup:

[nvawgn]

was just watching some strret racing vids, 200mph seem's pretty easy these days if you have the money because the tech is availible. i'm not saying reaching 200mph safley is easy, cause as we have seen people are not always as concerned with saftey as speed.

[camcojb]

Some of you need to chill!
Bravado! I am not on here posting all the time saying I can do 200 and nobody else can or anything like that.
I only start getting saying how powerful my car is when someone says I can't do a standing mile, or shooting me down. Who woud'nt get defensive? It pisses me off, but maybe that's what you goals are, I don't know. I have been asking what other people are doing to there cars to go 200, and asking what transmissions people are using with BIG power with an overdrive.:mad: What the hells wrong with that? That deserves negative or doubtfull comments?? I did not ask for someone to give me permission.
From a small few of you, all I get is that I either do not have the power, or my car will take off and I will be flying with the birds! I did not ask for those comments. If you have nothing positive to say, Shut up!
People do the standing mile ALL the time. I am going to try it to. It's not that damn big of a deal. Drag cars are doing 180+ all the time, 1500+ horsepower trying as hard as it can to do flip it the car into a wheel stand at that speed, noses in the air, they do it every day! Why don't you tell them they should not do that?

All I am saying is enough for the negative "The standing mile can't be done with your car because it's not shaped like the space shuttle" comments.

Look up all the online videos of other cars doing the standing mile and then make your judgements. Real cars, doing a real standing mile.

And you guys ragging on me because I say my car will go 200, when you say it won't, get real, it will, it's mathmatical fact! If you do not believe it, I don't really care anymore, do some research.

You wanna rag on someone...Rag on Rocketman, he's going 200 in a stock vette over a 2 mile span on a public road!!:willy: :_paranoid

To all those who have supported me in my questions with positive info and help, THANK YOU! I really do appreciate it.:D

So even though we know that it's completely unsafe for you to do this, if we do not agree with you then we cannot post in your thread?

You've got a lot to learn. I'll say it, you will not hit 200 mph in the standing mile. Has nothing to do with HP, even though your claimed 1000 hp with a stock engine has never been proved. It does have to do with the enormous amount of air that will get under the front of the car and render the handling deadly.

You don't understand it, you don't agree with it, and you'll likely find out the hard way. But that's your right. My guess is if you're smart you'll get the crap scared out of you around 170 mph or so and back out of the throttle. If you're "brave" enough to just keep your foot planted you may not get a full mile down the road.

Bottom line, I'm leaving this info here so that if you do have any issues at least this site doesn't become part of a lawsuit from your family for promoting you to do this. And you mentioned you will have all the safety equipment required so when is the cage going in the car? You were adament about not having one earlier.

I will actually be surprised if any association lets you even try the way your car is now once they figure out you have enough power to get very unstable on the top end.

If you don't like the comments please post elsewhere. Whether you understand it or not we are trying to prevent you from killing yourself.

Jody

[nvawgn]

bonified 200mph blast
http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race01/video/projectmov.asp?mn=GAnderson_06race01.mov&mt=Race01%20Movie

[novanutcase]

bonified 200mph blast
http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race01/video/projectmov.asp?mn=GAnderson_06race01.mov&mt=Race01%20Movie

I think what you and Nitro aren't understanding is that to go that fast you need to not only have the horses to get her up but you need a means of keeping the tires planted so that you can keep her in a straight line! Most of the videos that have been posted are cars that have some means of keeping the car planted on the ground. This is what Jody and the guys are trying to get across to Nitro! Be it weight, a wing, whatever he needs keep the car from lifting. He needs to address this and other issues(Brakes come to mind!) to do this SAFELY before he even attempts to go this fast!

[nvawgn]

I think what you and Nitro aren't understanding is that to go that fast you need to not only have the horses to get her up but you need a means of keeping the tires planted so that you can keep her in a straight line! Most of the videos that have been posted are cars that have some means of keeping the car planted on the ground. This is what Jody and the guys are trying to get across to Nitro! Be it weight, a wing, whatever he needs keep the car from lifting. He needs to address this and other issues(Brakes come to mind!) to do this SAFELY before he even attempts to go this fast!

yes i understand what you are saying and agree but all you need is money or know how, it's not that hard any more or as it used to be. all the parts are available

[nvawgn]

i think what you guys are not understanding is that 8sec 170mph street cars are a dime a dozen, change a few things and a couple of extra miles and alot of money and wahla! it may not be safe, the driver is probably stupid or ignorant or what ever but it can be done. the point is most people here on this board do it safley with proper enginering and such but the reality is, most people don't.

[JamesJ]

200 is slow, how about 400
This guy parked next to us at Bonneville
http://www.scta-bni.org/news/411.wmv

[nvawgn]

200 is slow, how about 400
This guy parked next to us at Bonneville
http://www.scta-bni.org/news/411.wmv

exactly, i love watching 32 fords run 200+mph
http://www.roadsters.com/jolliffe.jpg

[novanutcase]

i think what you guys are not understanding is that 8sec 170mph street cars are a dime a dozen, change a few things and a couple of extra miles and wahla! it may not be safe, the driver is probably stupid or ignorant or what ever but it can be done. the point is most people here on this board do it safley with proper enginering and such but the reality is, most people don't.

Exactly.....noone is saying that he doesn't have the grunt to get it up there but on the way up he may lose it because he doesn't have the proper aero to keep it planted! So let's say he gets it to 200 mph, how's he going to slow it down without frying the stock brakes? Is he going to outfit it with a 'chute? This is what the guys are saying! Noone doubts that he has the motor to do it rather can he do it SAFELY! I agree with the guys that Nitro needs to address these issues first and then INCREMENTALLY try and get his car to hit the 200 mph mark. This is the safest way of doing that so that whatever issues that pop up don't pop up at speed and can be addressed so that when he does hit it nothing will go wrong and he won't end up as a stain on the wall!!! Liken his approach to jumping out of an airplane with a 'chute that he packed and no reserve 'chute! Pretty dicey but can it be done? Sure, but your taking a huge chance! Why not do it safely! It will be much more enjoyable to all who watch!(Especially his wife and kid(s))

[nvawgn]

Exactly.....noone is saying that he doesn't have the grunt to get it up there but on the way up he may lose it because he doesn't have the proper aero to keep it planted! So let's say he gets it to 200 mph, how's he going to slow it down without frying the stock brakes? Is he going to outfit it with a 'chute? This is what the guys are saying! Noone doubts that he has the motor to do it rather can he do it SAFELY! I agree with the guys that Nitro needs to address these issues first and then INCREMENTALLY try and get his car to hit the 200 mph mark. This is the safest way of doing that so that whatever issues that pop up don't pop up at speed and can be addressed so that when he does hit it nothing will go wrong and he won't end up as a stain on the wall!!! Liken his approach to jumping out of an airplane with a 'chute that he packed and no reserve 'chute! Pretty dicey but can it be done? Sure, but your taking a huge chance! Why not do it safely! It will be much more enjoyable to all who watch!(Especially his wife and kid(s))

agreed, it's just the way some people make statements sometimes, it sounds like the 200mph club is unreachable and sometimes i generalize too much. yes fine tuning suspension, arodynamics, braking, safety and so forth are just as important, time consuming, exspensive and tedious but i think the point we are trying to make is people can hit the 200mph mark pretty easy, it's living to tell about it that can be difficult

[novanutcase]

agreed, it's just the way some people make statements sometimes, it sounds like the 200mph club is unreachable and sometimes i generalize too much. yes fine tuning suspension, arodynamics, braking, safety and so forth are just as important, time consuming, exspensive and tedious but i think the point we are trying to make is people can hit the 200mph mark pretty easy, it's living to tell about it that can be difficult

Theirs and my point exactly! I think a lot of guys forget that having a motor that big brings a responsibilty to not only going fast but stopping fast! They forget that a car is a collection of systems that need to work flawlessly between each other. This is my concern with Nitro! He seems to feel that because he has the motor and will have a tranny to get there that's all he needs. All I'm saying is put some thought into keeping the car planted, as the guys and jody have also said!

[nvawgn]

Theirs and my point exactly! I think a lot of guys forget that having a motor that big brings a responsibilty to not only going fast but stopping fast! They forget that a car is a collection of systems that need to work flawlessly between each other. This is my concern with Nitro! He seems to feel that because he has the motor and will have a tranny to get there that's all he needs. All I'm saying is put some thought into keeping the car planted, as the guys and jody have also said!

agreed and too add a little something, body style and motor size do not really matter anymore as long as you have quality enginering and enough HP....

[JayR]

bonified 200mph blast
http://www.nhra.com/2006/events/race01/video/projectmov.asp?mn=GAnderson_06race01.mov&mt=Race01%20Movie

Are you seriously comparing a stock bodied Chevelle to an NHRA pro stock car that has been methodically engineered by some of the greatest minds in drag racing over the course of decades to run exactly 1320 feet in the quickest elapsed time possible??? Apples and oranges doesn't even sum it up.

If you really want to see what you're up against, look at this Road & Track Standing Mile test from 2005 where they ran 13 cars and a bike over a standing mile.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=2572&page_number=1
A very aerodynamic Jaguar Trans Am racecar only went in the 170s and to get a little more aero, they removed the rear wing and the driver said it was spinning the rear tires at the 180 and couldn't pick up another mph. And that was a very slippery, purpose-built, high speed, roadrace car.
The only 3 cars to break 200 were a Champ Car, A TT Saleen S7 and a 1000hp TT Viper which are all infinitely more aerodynamic than a stock Chevelle.

[JamesJ]

exactly, i love watching 32 fords run 200+mph

Ron has a good car, and knows how to tune a Nitro motor.


We got the record in this car at 233 its a 29
We put a A motor in it and qualified at about 270 but missed the record run because of a spark plug wire.
Is there an easy way to make this pic smaller?

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/907rs/IMG_3804.jpg

[nvawgn]

NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT WAS A REAL 200MPH RUN,
and you can push anything to 200mph or past, even something that resembles a brick.
http://www.enjoythedrive.com/images/gal_200212bankssw_lside.jpg

[nvawgn]

nice rod James, i have never been to the salts but have heard pleanty stories from the old times(no offense if your old;) )
it sounds like a great time

[nitrorocket]

I decided to do a 6 point because with all I want to do with the car, I will not be able to do anything without it. I don't want to, but what are you gonna do?:( I will install it by spring, with a camera mount!!:D

I have said I do not know if the car will reach 200 mph in the mile on 93 octane, it may hit 190, 195, 205, I won't know till I try. My guess is somewhere around 195'ish. It has the power capability. That's why I am looking at my overdrive issue with a different trans. I need a manual trans.
I only have enough gear right now to do about 155 mph.
I made 750 rwhp with my old small turbos and 5 less psi, 5 psi make a lot of power, ahould be about 800-850 rwhp on 93 octane alone, I can verify in spring on the dyno, but who cares, I have about 1000 hp at the crank, give or take is does not matter. That is about enough power to go about 200 in the mile, that is why I am trying to prepare for it.'


I feel I have a very safe car and is setup to do this. I have no aero mods, but may not need any, who knows. I have seen similar cars go that fast with no problem, I posted a pic of it earlier.

My car is pretty much set up for road course right now. I have ultra stiff suspension, the car is droped to the ground, I have all new poly/heim joint suspension, very good tires, and the biggest brakes that will fit.

As far as drag, I have really good wax on the car, That should be good for another 10 mph!!:D


So what else am I supposed to have?? Air dam maybe? That is all I can thiink of.

[nitrorocket]

270 mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11:willy: :faint: :hail:

[nvawgn]

my best advice to you nitrorocket is drive your car over to a couple of the guys who have driven over 200 plus and let them take a look at your ride and see what they think, they would as they have already mentioned have alot of exsperiance in the safety, enginering, yada,yada, yada(which you do not have and which is the most important when attempting what you are trying to do) they are just trying to help you achieve you goal safely.

[nitrorocket]

That is a good idea, but I have to find someone local. I talked to the guy with the red Z28 I posted and he sadi the 200 mph blast was like nothing. Basically same setup, but he has a Camaro body, I have a Chevelle body.:_paranoid

It is comforting to hear first hand that it was not scary. :D

As far as being safe, I think I have the bases as covered as can. Hopefully the areo is not a big deal.

Like this guy, not very aero, but still did it!!!:D I need to track down and talk to more people with fast cars that did the mile.:thumbsup:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/nitrorocket/Stevescar.jpg

[quadfather]

you should block the grill off and add an airdam minimum. that way at least you'll force some air over instead off under the car . and ducktape your window mouldings or you will never see them again. you mat want to ditch the mirrors everything helps.

[nitrorocket]

I can't block off the grill, I would blow the motor with the intercooler blocked, and for that run I will REALLY need an intercooler.:D
I wonder what effect raising the rear of the hood 1"or2" would do??
Ditching the mirrors are a good idea!:thumbsup:

[chicane]

Your chassis, your vehicle weight and your power level....

Will require spring rate and (DEFINATELY) hide height changes with your power level and lack of being "aero friendly". The hood trick is an oldie, but a goodie... to a point. Using lake skinnies in-lieu-of the steam rollers will also help aero. The biggest thing in a non "aero friendly" body is to get it as LOW as possible. This in itself, explains the spring rate change requirement.

Sure one could push any brick past 200mph, but as it was stated in a previous post... it will require dedicated engineering common sense and more money than you have to spend, "to do it easily" as some here suspect. Its not just a "all you need is money or knowhow"... its a lot of both. Yup... you could just write a check (and we all know how I feel about checkbook writers)... but that doest manifest the experience, maturity or common sense it takes to tie your shoes.

A point that some are making is rather pointed towards aero, weight and downforce and needs to be paid peticular attention to. Spinning the wheels, even at 150mph will unsettle the chassis enough to introduce mortality. The experience gained by doing incremental events to attain your goal will make your efforts worth even more.

This whole subject is like giving a 5 year old child, with no knowledge or experience with hand guns, a loaded .45ACP. We all know the potential of killing oneself... and if any one of us could stop that from happening... we will.

I say go for it man... just do it smartly.

[Van B]

Nitro,

Where is the standing mile event you are thinking of? Is it Maxton? If so, the Z28 you referred to was asked to leave when he went 200 without the right safety equipment, right? Seems like it might have been one of the guys from Speed Inc.?

I see the bug has bitten you, as you have gone from not wanting to modify the stock interior, etc. to talking cage, and harnesses. I must have missed when you said what your suspension and brake mods are. All you mention is high spring rates and the biggest brakes that will fit. Any specifics?

I have said it before and will say it once more. Most of the posts I have read here are expressing genuine concern for your personal safety and that of those in the immediate vicinity when you make your attempt. If you can actually pull it off and have it documented, most, if not all of us, will think it is really cool.

High speed wheelspin would worry me a lot without a way to create some downforce. I have experienced wheelspin at around 100 mph with little more than half of your horsepower, and it was a little creepy. At twice that speed I am afraid that things could happen pretty fast if the car gets out from under you.

Good luck.

Look me up at WOW next weekend, I will be right across from the 32 Ford display and the pinstripe artists. There is a good chance that Jeff S will be there. It would be good for you to pick his brain. He has a lot of experience in high speed competition.

[jeff s]

Nitro,
There is a good chance that Jeff S will be there. It would be good for you to pick his brain. He has a lot of experience in high speed competition.
I'll be there all day Sunday, my son Dale will be there Fri,Sat, Sun.
I hope to see you guys then.
Jeff S

[TonyL]

reminds me of This video of a subaru going 190 mph on a wet road. (http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/jun309gc.mpg)

really captures how fast and how much ground is covered at that speed.

[nitrorocket]

I'll be there all day Sunday, my son Dale will be there Fri,Sat, Sun.
I hope to see you guys then.
Jeff S

I would like to try the Maxton, but It really does not matter where the event is held as the as the track is REAL flat.


I will have the car at WOW all weekend, I would love to meet up with someone and shoot the crap!!!:) Don't worry... from reading about me on the forums you would think I was a crazy person, I am just a guy that built his dream car and wants to run it like it's meant to be!!:cheers:

Like I have said, I will see how it goes, maybe the car will be out of control at only 180 mph and I will get out and then have to sort some things out. This spring at road america I might get to attemp at least 170-180 or so on the straight to get a feel for it. In either case I have to try before I can see what happens.:thumbsup:

My brakes are 13" C5 brakes with drileld and slotted rotors. The rears are 12 " PBR rear disc. The front springs are 850 lbs with a 7/8" sway bar, and the rear are 200 lbs with no bar. The car sits as low as posibble, I will take a pic of the new lowered height when I have it at WOW this weekend coming up.

I wonder what the red Z28 did not have that they booted him? He did not mention that.

[427]

You need a forward bar "Cage" to go over 175 at Maxton, he did not have it and went almost 200 earning him the "please leave".


Kurt

[Van B]

I have sent in my registration for the Road America event.

http://roadamerica.fbody.us/

I think I might have access to a radar gun to bring along to double check against wheelspin and speedometer error. :thumbsup:

[novanutcase]

Your chassis, your vehicle weight and your power level....

Will require spring rate and (DEFINATELY) hide height changes with your power level and lack of being "aero friendly". The hood trick is an oldie, but a goodie... to a point. Using lake skinnies in-lieu-of the steam rollers will also help aero. The biggest thing in a non "aero friendly" body is to get it as LOW as possible. This in itself, explains the spring rate change requirement.

Sure one could push any brick past 200mph, but as it was stated in a previous post... it will require dedicated engineering common sense and more money than you have to spend, "to do it easily" as some here suspect. Its not just a "all you need is money or knowhow"... its a lot of both. Yup... you could just write a check (and we all know how I feel about checkbook writers)... but that doest manifest the experience, maturity or common sense it takes to tie your shoes.

A point that some are making is rather pointed towards aero, weight and downforce and needs to be paid peticular attention to. Spinning the wheels, even at 150mph will unsettle the chassis enough to introduce mortality. The experience gained by doing incremental events to attain your goal will make your efforts worth even more.

This whole subject is like giving a 5 year old child, with no knowledge or experience with hand guns, a loaded .45ACP. We all know the potential of killing oneself... and if any one of us could stop that from happening... we will.

I say go for it man... just do it smartly.

Couldn't have been said better.........

Nitro? Have you noticed an echo in this thread? Another thing, most of the people echoing this sentiment are people that are Gurus in this field!

[chicane]

The car sits as low as posibble, I will take a pic of the new lowered height when I have it at WOW this weekend coming up.

Sweet.... cant wait for pics. I dig your ride and would love to see the new stance.

The only other thing I would stress is alignment settings. Caster and toe will be the things to scrutinize, especially with the inhearent bump steer that is associated with your stock subframe and geometry. :yes:

[nitrorocket]

I hope to have SC&C ball joints by Spring, that would correct all geometry problems. But with the T56 setup going in, I am not sure if the funds will be there or not.:rolleyes:

[chicane]

I hope to have SC&C ball joints by Spring, that would correct all geometry problems.

Well... not really. It wont net you any added caster, which is what you really need to increase, nor will the HOWE units impact the bumpsteer issues with the front steer system on that year chassis.

Think 6* to 6*+ caster and reducing the toe in effect of from the bumpsteer... not to mention that it actually bumps worse when you lower the chassis. :lateral:

[nitrorocket]

The Upper control arms correct the caster don't they? New upper control arms have to be used with the ball joints.

[chicane]

The Upper control arms correct the caster don't they? New upper control arms have to be used with the ball joints.

Ahh yes... did not know you were doing the arms. You got that issue covered fo'show. :thumbsup:

[OTE Design & Fabrication]

First off all, I would not even think of going 200 MPH with only a 6 point rollbar in the car. Second, go back and read this thread from the start and take the advice given. Third, I know this is old school but, tape short lengths of yarn all over your cars body and have someone drive it on the freeway while you watch from another car. If you see yarn going anyway but straight back, that is an area that is creating lift and you need to minmize those areas.

Good luck and be safe.

[chicane]

Woodtufting... the cheapest aero testing known to man. Its an old favorite of mine, and all it takes is $3.50 in yarn and a gross of butterfly bandaid's.

[rwhite692]

Woodtufting... the cheapest aero testing known to man. Its an old favorite of mine, and all it takes is $3.50 in yarn and a gross of butterfly bandaid's.I've done it when I was at Grumman, but never heard the term Woodtufting. It was referred to as Vector Field Analysis....but I like the term Woodtufting better!

[nitrorocket]

My car will take 170 to go 200 mph then a Z28 Camaro, but being that the power is there, I somehow have to calculate how much more power I would need then the Red Z28 to hit 200 mph in the same amount of time and was running about 18 psi, or what he says is 750 rwhp in his car if I remember corectly. If that number is 170 hp, I need to fill with race gas and turn up the boost about 3-4 psi to make the same 200 mph standing mile. Is there a way to figure that out??
Also a 71 Chevelle aerodynamically has 8% lift at 100 mph as it came from the factory. I heard this is proportional, If so, would that mean I have 16% lift at 200 mph, or 608 lbs of total vehicle lift being It weighs 3800 lbs??
What do you think??

[Van B]

I am not sure about lift, but I think it was drag that increases exponentially with more mph, so rather than double, it may be more like 10x. I'm sure someone will chime in with better info.

[nitrorocket]

I always thought drag was exponentially and lift was proportionally??? I could surely be wrong!

[Payton King]

D$(& head, but you have people here with a lot of expierence telling you what you need to do or at least what direction that you need to go and you are ignoring their advice.

I have no seat time trying to run over 150 mph but aero plays a huge role.

Stick you hand or your head out the window doing 30 mph and then do it at 100 mph...the resistance is exponential not proportional. The best example I can think of is in stereo sound. If 2 watts produce 5 db, it will take 4 watts to produce 6 db and 16 watts to produce 7 db...get the picture.

Not sure if you remember NASCAR a few years ago when all of the cars, shape similar to yours but with lots of wind tunnel work, were flying off the track. That is when roof flaps and restrictor plates started showing up.

I respect your dream of running 200, but you may need to rethink the vehicle to get you there. You can't get the power to the ground if the wheels are not touching the track....and no one has brought up tire that will not fail at those speeds.

Everyone is trying to keep you safe but it seems that you are turning a deaf ear.

[nitrorocket]

D$(& head, but you have people here with a lot of expierence telling you what you need to do or at least what direction that you need to go and you are ignoring their advice.

I have no seat time trying to run over 150 mph but aero plays a huge role.

Stick you hand or your head out the window doing 30 mph and then do it at 100 mph...the resistance is geometrical not proportional. The best example I can think of is in stereo sound. If 2 watts produce 5 db, it will take 4 watts to produce 6 db and 16 watts to produce 7 db...get the picture.

Not sure if you remember NASCAR a few years ago when all of the cars, shape similar to yours but with lots of wind tunnel work, were flying off the track. That is when roof flaps and restrictor plates started showing up.

I respect your dream of running 200, but you may need to rethink the vehicle to get you there. You can't get the power to the ground if the wheels are not touching the track....and no one has brought up tire that will not fail at those speeds.

Everyone is trying to keep you safe but it seems that you are turning a deaf ear.


Or not... I have heard everything, Whay do you think I am researching drag and lift?? Is there something someone wrote I dod not hear???

[Stuart Adams]

Nitro, no more. What is your point? You are truly going to kill yourself.

Have you ever seen how much the Nextel cars are moving around at 200 mph. One little bump and now you will be airborne. It takes alot of extra power when you create alot of down force to keep it on the ground.

Go rent a Ferrari or something, but don't try this in your Chevelle. Seriously.

[69 L88 Camaro]

Sounds like a candidate for the "Darwins".

[Jr]

This picturre is just for FUN. Remember that, please.

Nitro,
I hope everything works out for you, ya know, in a safe manner. Please, listen to the other members who have been there(raced around at 200MPH) and done that.



If his car gets to 200MPH...well, I think this could happen(look at picture)

[nitrorocket]

I guess I will never post anything about this project again. :lol:

Some act like I am trying this with a F350 pickup truck. You say listen to all those with knowledge. Ive read everything,and am not telling anybody there info is wrong or that I do not care. Some have experience and have given some pointers. 90 percent of the other comments are from those with no experience and seem to thing the car will spontaneously combust at 200 mph.
Anything is possible and 200 is plenty attainable. I have the power , I will have the safety, I am researching all if any potential aero problems, and that's that! 180, 190+ is attained everyday by factory bodied Novas, Pontiacs, Chevelles, and Camaros in the quarter mile. Some with nothing more them just one simple "Promod" wing on the back for Aero.

I still say, If this guy can do 190 no problem, so can I!!!!!!!!!!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/nitrorocket/Stevescar.jpg


My car will be ready in spring, and hopefuly sometime this summer when I get the funds to go to North Carolina, or find a more local 1 mile track, I will post my numbers.

Thanks!

Peace! :cheers:

[chicane]

I've done it when I was at Grumman, but never heard the term Woodtufting. It was referred to as Vector Field Analysis....but I like the term Woodtufting better!

Woodtufting was a term used by the old school cats. I first heard of this term from the Vince Piggins group white papers, which did the developmental work for GM's TransAm effort's in the 60's. I actually learned this process explicitly while doing work for Dryden FRC. It was a cheap 'proof of concept' tool without spending tons of money. All the VFA we did started with woodtufting, sometimes oil drop... and if the test vessel made it that far... it was scaled with pressure sensitive paint. First in grey scale, before moving on to color. The grey scale stuff was a trip... you could actually 'see' the fliud (ambient air) moving around an object.

180, 190+ is attained everyday by factory bodied Novas, Pontiacs, Chevelles, and Camaros in the quarter mile. Some with nothing more them just one simple "Promod" wing on the back for Aero.

My car will be ready in spring, and hopefuly sometime this summer when I get the funds to go to North Carolina, or find a more local 1 mile track, I will post my numbers.

...Im not making an antagonistic point with this, but they are doing those numbers with 1600-2000hp, chassis weights down near 2200lbs and pulling chutes at the end of that to stabilize the chassis and slow it down. Aero effect's start becoming a player at around 75mph.

I say... just keep up the homework over the next few months while your tinkering your way into spring. Sponge as much information as possible... and get some seat time. I wont say it cant be done, because it can. Your over zealous tone makes some people warry.

[evilzee28]

QUOTE:_ I still say, If this guy can do 190 no problem, so can I!!!!!!!!!!

please show us the article that made you aware that this car can run 190mph. As far as I'm aware Steves Granada is set up for drag racing,not flat out speed & that picture is at Santa Pod raceway which is a drag strip. How do you know that the guy isn't bull****ting about having run 190mph, he certainly wouldn't be the first to make outrageous claims would he? If that car had run 190mph ALL of our British custom/racing magazines would have run an article on it. As far as I'm aware that car hasn't been featured anywhere mainstream. If it's true that he has run those speeds, why don't you contact him & ask how he managed it? Incidentally, that so called "simple" pro mod wing is there for a purpose & it's not so simple as you may think to get the aero correct on one. It isn't just a case of bolt on a big wing & go for it. If the pro mods need something like that to run the numbers are you gonna fit one for high speed stability?? If not, why do the pro mods bother to fit them at all?

Take everyones advice on board, life is a very precious thing that can be snuffed out in an instant!!

[71Nova]

Nitro I feel bad for you. Every time you post anything all you get is a million people lecturing you about safety. People recomended that you add a cage and upgrade your brakes and then you had threads about upgrading brakes and cage. Seems like you listened to me. When ever you start a thread I think oh man, he is about to get hammered again. Sounds to me like you realise that lift and drag are the things holding you back, and that you need to adress safety. If you take care of those I think it is atainable. People used to think going over the speed of sound was imposible in a plane. Luckely Chuck Yeager and the USAF challenged it anyway. I hope I didn't piss anyone off.

[clill]

I'm thinking maybe I could take the Mule to the Moon....what do you all think ?

[novanutcase]

I'm thinking maybe I could take the Mule to the Moon....what do you all think ?

I think Nitro's already there.........:beathorse

[907rs]

I'm thinking maybe I could take the Mule to the Moon....what do you all think ?

Lets go!....I'm driving.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/907rs/DSC01891_00_00.jpg

[camcojb]

Lets go!....I'm driving.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/907rs/DSC01891_00_00.jpg


Damn nice pic Bill!

Jody

[907rs]

Damn nice pic Bill!

Jody

Yeah, that photographer really knew his stuff!

[Stuart Adams]

Shotgun!! Nice pic Bill.

[nitrorocket]

QUOTE:_ I still say, If this guy can do 190 no problem, so can I!!!!!!!!!!

please show us the article that made you aware that this car can run 190mph. As far as I'm aware Steves Granada is set up for drag racing,not flat out speed & that picture is at Santa Pod raceway which is a drag strip. How do you know that the guy isn't bull****ting about having run 190mph, he certainly wouldn't be the first to make outrageous claims would he? If that car had run 190mph ALL of our British custom/racing magazines would have run an article on it. As far as I'm aware that car hasn't been featured anywhere mainstream. If it's true that he has run those speeds, why don't you contact him & ask how he managed it? Incidentally, that so called "simple" pro mod wing is there for a purpose & it's not so simple as you may think to get the aero correct on one. It isn't just a case of bolt on a big wing & go for it. If the pro mods need something like that to run the numbers are you gonna fit one for high speed stability?? If not, why do the pro mods bother to fit them at all?

Take everyones advice on board, life is a very precious thing that can be snuffed out in an instant!!

Here is the info you requested.

Steves 1980 Granada Gia with a 382" Ysi and stock T56 has gone 188 mph on multiple occasions, took him 27 seconds to finish the run. The car runs 10.04 @ 148.42mph in the quarter as it sits. It is a pretty stout motor! The last 9 seconds he flipped the blower belt and it started missfiring so he was down on power, he is hoping to try for 200 mph or close to that when he runs again. He ran the runs on M/T Drag radials, that might make the car a little squirely with the ultra soft sidewalls. I have talked to him first hand about his runs. Said it was no big deal, although the car felt a little light at 190 mph, but you will get that with drag suspension and drag radials. He actually went 188, but that is pretty close.