Project Dorothy

[tracy]

At long last I finally have interesting things to post about my active project.

Some of you may recall that I posted a trial baloon rendering by Kris Horton of my project for feedback. Based on the feedback, Kris made some really nice changes and we have finally finished the exterior design.

Meanwhile, the fabrication has been underway for about a month. Below are the semi-final renderings. I am expecting to get the final hi-res pictures this evening.

Also, I now have a web site up which will document this project. You can check it out at http://www.CamaroSuperCars.com

In short summary:

Built .060 over 396
FAST XFI
Comp roller cam
AFR 315 CNC port heads
F1-R Pro-Charger
T56
Quadralink
9", 3.70, Truetrac
Gobal west upper and lower control arms
Coil overs all around
DSE mini tubs
18X12 Forgeline SP3Ps with Gunmetal centers - rear
18x8.5 Forgeline SP3Ps - front
Wilwood 13 inch, 6 piston, C5 brakes in front
Wilwood 12 inch, 4 piston brakes with integrated e-brake in rear
DSE Quick Ratio 600 steering gear

See the web site for the entire tech sheet and tons of pictures...

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/Tracy%20Camaro%204.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/Tracy%20Camaro%205.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyPaintRoundExhaust.jpg

I am pretty excited about this project...

[67Sally]

looks like a great project.
W.

[BC69]

Nice! I like the exhaust. Is the hockeystick stripe a bit different? I like it!!


Tim

[tracy]

Nice! I like the exhaust. Is the hockeystick stripe a bit different? I like it!!


Tim

Yup. Kris completely changed the hockey stick stripe. I really like the big swoop and the heavy head.

Tracy

[Datsbad]

when is this car to be finished ?

I got something going on that is going to be real simillar.

Looks great !!!!!!!!

[tracy]

when is this car to be finished ?

I got something going on that is going to be real simillar.

Looks great !!!!!!!!

Well, we are going as fast as we can but there are still a few parts that are weeks away from arriving and then the custom paint and body work still has to happen. I think I am about 8 weeks from completion.

What is your schedule?

[Diognes56]

Looks good :) . My only thing is the hockey stripe, I love the big swoop :yes:, but I am not keen on the "check" near the headlights. I am sure it will look good either way, just wanted to throw out my $.02. Can't wait to see it finished :cool: .

David

[tracy]

I thought I would update this with the actual status of the build.

At this point the car has been completely dismantled.

The subframe was removed, media blasted, smoothed, ground, holes welded up and powder coated. You can see the pictures of it in here. Note that there was NO bondo used on this subframe. A filling was done with a tig welder and then it was smoothed with a grinder. The Chilcotes did a bautiful job prepping this for powder coat.

The engine and T56 transmission were mocked up in the car with big block motor mounts and the ATS transmission crossmember. Everything bolted up perfectly but the tunnel did have to be modified to preserve the proper transmission geometry relative to the rear end.

The DSE mini tubs have now been installed. Tom Chilcote did a really clean job of this and even managed to add an extra 1/2" of width on each side in the process.

The DSE Quadralink pockets, cross member and Panhard bar bracket have been installed.

The trunk pan needed to be replaced and this is also done at this point.

Here is a picture of the subframe after it came back from powder coating...

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/subframe-powdercoat.jpg

and one more..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/subframe_powder2.jpg

[zbugger]

Tracy, I love the stripe!!! It gives the car a nice modern and agressive look. I would have though of blacking out the rear panel to match, but I'm not gonna force you to do it. I just think it would look classic and strong. It's looking good so far. Can't wait to see it together.

[syborg tt]

looks very nice

[tracy]

Tracy, I love the stripe!!! It gives the car a nice modern and agressive look. I would have though of blacking out the rear panel to match, but I'm not gonna force you to do it. I just think it would look classic and strong. It's looking good so far. Can't wait to see it together.

Thanks! I had never considered blacking out the tail panel. Kris did not discuss this but I can see that it might look good. Well, it is not in the paint shop yet.

[tracy]

Ok, Kris sent me the final renderings this morning so I updated the web site and I am posting them here for everyones enjoyment.

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro1.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro2.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro3.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro4.jpg

[tracy]

And 4 more...

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro5.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro6.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro7.jpg

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Kris%20Horton/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro8.jpg

[Rybar]

Tracy, your project looks amazing. :wow: Love the color combo and stripe, and your wheel choice. Please keep us posted. :thumbsup:

[Kris Horton]

I actually agree with Allen. Looking back on it, the tail panel would probably look better in black. Hindsight really is 20/20, but in this case it can still be changed. I avoided doing it back when were were messing with the 2-tone idea and never thought to go back to it. If you want, I'll gladly do one or two shots with the tail panel in black. :thumbsup:

I like the new stripe a lot better too, I think it suits the car much better than our original idea. The car should look great once it's finished!

Kris

[fatlife]

Wonder if the tail in gloss black would look good, with a matching pinstripe at the top going across to keep the theme with the stripe

[zbugger]

Yeah, I think the basic flat black would work well. One question though.... You gonna have to pop the trunk to put gas in every time?

[Leadfoot1]

could very well be replicated on the nose of your Chrager....It seems to have the same side view agle....

Hey, Tracy, i read you are planning on using C6 Z06 brakes....So am i. And i'm waiting on info's from Frank at GPS for a pricing and clearance issue specifications with the brakes on a set of Forgelines ZX3's.

Do you have your brakes and wheels yet? Any idea on clearance / need of shim to clear the calipers or anything?

Car is gonna look great!

Hey, tell us a bit 'bout that SRT8!!! I have one of my furnishers who has just bought a Magnum SRT8 and i told him i need a ride next time he comes by if he wants a future order!!!!

Lead.

[tracy]

I actually agree with Allen. Looking back on it, the tail panel would probably look better in black. Hindsight really is 20/20, but in this case it can still be changed. I avoided doing it back when were were messing with the 2-tone idea and never thought to go back to it. If you want, I'll gladly do one or two shots with the tail panel in black. :thumbsup:

I like the new stripe a lot better too, I think it suits the car much better than our original idea. The car should look great once it's finished!

Kris

Kris, I will take you up on that! Lets see how it looks....Thanks!

[tracy]

Yeah, I think the basic flat black would work well. One question though.... You gonna have to pop the trunk to put gas in every time?

No, I have a Rick's tank and the neck still comes up behind the license tag as far as I know. The rendering does not show the tag.

[tracy]

could very well be replicated on the nose of your Chrager....It seems to have the same side view agle....

Hey, Tracy, i read you are planning on using C6 Z06 brakes....So am i. And i'm waiting on info's from Frank at GPS for a pricing and clearance issue specifications with the brakes on a set of Forgelines ZX3's.

Do you have your brakes and wheels yet? Any idea on clearance / need of shim to clear the calipers or anything?

Car is gonna look great!

Hey, tell us a bit 'bout that SRT8!!! I have one of my furnishers who has just bought a Magnum SRT8 and i told him i need a ride next time he comes by if he wants a future order!!!!

Lead.

Lead,

Funny you should mention the stripe on the Charger. I have also thought about this before. Perhaps this is why I like the strip on the camaro since it reminds me of the charger. It would work.

As for the brakes and wheels..I have the brakes already...they are wilwood 6 piston brakes for C5/C6 to go with my AFX Spindles. Frank ordered my wheels about 2 weeks ago. Forgeline insisted on having him double checking the offsets against the specs. I have attached the spec sheet on the brakes if you care to look. I am confident that everything will fit.

As for my SRT8...I absolutely love this car. I just cannot believe that you can get this kind of performance from a 4000 LB car that cost under $45K. The car is extremely well balanced and stable. It pulls like crazy from a stand still and from 80 MPH. It is also very comfortable despite the somewhat tight suspension. SRT did a great job on this car. I can only imagine what it would be like with a supercharger.

If you get the chance to drive one of these cars you really should!

[tracy]

Well, Kris came through with the blacked out tail pan...and I really like it.. Kris does awesome work!! :hail: Check it out and tell me what you think..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro5-blacktailpan-smaller.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/images/TracyEdmondsCamaro6_BlackTailPanel-smaller.JPG

[Datsbad]

Definately keep the black tail panel. It looks Hot .

[zbugger]

Told ya so.... :D

I think it looks great!!! Now to see it get done.

[tracy]

Told ya so.... :D

I think it looks great!!! Now to see it get done.

Indeed..I can't wait to get it done myself....thanks for the input!

[Leadfoot1]

Definetely like it!

It gives it an all other Business look! Much more serious.

I didn't see any attachements for the brakes tough? Forgeline says they don't think they will be able to clear the front calipers. (i have the wheel info sheet printed out and the Core3 measures for the calipers on my desk right now...Just need to measure up!) I'm just taking in some comments on the C6 set up in its entire configuration vs others (Hey Fatlife!) and am looking to do this project after Christmas...when i get the wheels.

You are running C6 but wilwood calipers??? What made you decide against the Vette parts? And why, then, are they called C6? Just because they are Vette part #'s?

Oh yeah, did i mention i love the blacked out rear on your car!!?

Lead.

[tracy]

Definetely like it!

It gives it an all other Business look! Much more serious.

I didn't see any attachements for the brakes tough? Forgeline says they don't think they will be able to clear the front calipers. (i have the wheel info sheet printed out and the Core3 measures for the calipers on my desk right now...Just need to measure up!) I'm just taking in some comments on the C6 set up in its entire configuration vs others (Hey Fatlife!) and am looking to do this project after Christmas...when i get the wheels.

You are running C6 but wilwood calipers??? What made you decide against the Vette parts? And why, then, are they called C6? Just because they are Vette part #'s?

Oh yeah, did i mention i love the blacked out rear on your car!!?

Lead.

Specifically, I am running AFX tall spindles with Wilwood 13" 6 piston brakes for C5. The AFX spindles of course require C5/C6 style brakes. Hopefully this clears it up.

Here is a link to the manual from Wilwood. It contains the offsets and measurements.

Wilwood big brake kit for C5 manual (http://www.wilwood.com/PDF/ds457.pdf)

Thanks for the input on the tail pan!

-Tracy

[tyoneal]

The Black Tail compliments the side Hockey Stripes and is consistant with the black grill in front.

All I can say is, "Well Done!".

It now looks Balanced.

tyoneal

[ProdigyCustoms]

Lead,

. SRT did a great job on this car. I can only imagine what it would be like with a supercharger.

!

I guess I forgot to tell you ProCharger's new product for SEMA is a set up for your Charger. Don't worry, I think we have your credit card on file, LOL!

[ProdigyCustoms]

There were no clearance issues with the Wilwood set up for Tracy's Forgelines. The C6 calipers seem to always cause trouble, however, we have a few ZO6s running Forgelines, so it can be done. But the ZO6 runs a much different backspacing arrangement

[tracy]

Things are moving ahead so I thought I would toss out a few new pictures.

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3902.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3903.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3904.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3905.JPG

[tracy]

And some more...

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3906.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3907.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3923.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3924.JPG

[tracy]

Quadralink Mockup...

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3887.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3888.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3889.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3890.JPG

[tracy]

More Quadralink mockup..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3891.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3892.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_3893.JPG

[Leadfoot1]

:eek: :thumbsup: :hail:

Hey great work Tracy! Coming along nicely.

Keep it up!

Can you tell me how much the lower bars (that tie into the original spring pockets) go out the side of the frame? I'm interested in finding the most available width clearance in the tubs from fender lip (inside of it) at front of quarter panel wheel opening to what ever will hit first (probably that bar....)
to estimate my leftover space if i ever take the decision on the Q-Link.

You like it?

Lead.

[tracy]

:eek: :thumbsup: :hail:

Hey great work Tracy! Coming along nicely.

Keep it up!

Can you tell me how much the lower bars (that tie into the original spring pockets) go out the side of the frame? I'm interested in finding the most available width clearance in the tubs from fender lip (inside of it) at front of quarter panel wheel opening to what ever will hit first (probably that bar....)
to estimate my leftover space if i ever take the decision on the Q-Link.

You like it?

Lead.

I think you are trying to figure out if you can fit those 345's. Well, the 335's mounted on 18x12 wheels are about 13.25" wide. My DSE mini tubs were installed to be about 1/2" wider than normal by moving the cut line in slightly. With this we end up with just a hair over 14" of clearance. The first thing you hit is either the frame or the tub itself not the bar.

I will double check this tomorrow and give a more definittive answer.

-Tracy

[ProTouring442]

Lookin' good! :thumbsup:

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.fquick.com/ProTouring442

[ProdigyCustoms]

Lookin good man.

[tracy]

Thanks! We are shooting to have it on the ground and rollable by the end of the month...

[tracy]

The pans are done. Quadralink brackets are done. DSE weld-in SF connectors are installed. The underside has been sandblasted and seam sealer applied to all welds. The bottom is ready for paint.

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_0136.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_0137.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_0138.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_0139.JPG

[tracy]

Here are some cool shots of one of the weld plates going in. These are all getting TIG welded..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/weldplate.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/weld.jpg

The main hoop is in..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/mainbar.jpg

[tones2SS]

WOW!!!! lloking good. Can't wait to see the finished product.

[Leadfoot1]

Same here!

:thumbsup:

Lead.

'Love those install pics! (but it makes me think i'm not as ''scareless'' as when i was young (now 33!)...Now to think i'm gonna strip my car 'only' to that level scare the $h!t out of me not knowing when i'll drive it again. I'm getting to think i should still pile up some stuff and do it all at once like you are. That way i'd keep on enjoying it...but you know how it is, you touch one thing and the next thing you know its all apart!

Anyway, looking good Tracy!

[GHOSTDANCER]

Looking good :thumbsup:

[tracy]

I am very pleased!! :yes: Forgeline makes beautiful products.

I also want to extend a HUGE thanks to Frank Serafine and Prodigy Customs for hooking me up with these awesome Forgelines. They shipped when Frank said they would and they exceeded my expectations!!

Now I have to choose rubber. I was dissapointed to find out that the the BF Goodrich G-Force KDW2 tires are not actually available in 335s as their web site indicates....

http://www.CamaroSupercars.com/PhotoGallery/New%20Parts/images/IMG_4142.JPG

http://www.CamaroSupercars.com/PhotoGallery/New%20Parts/images/IMG_4143.JPG

http://www.CamaroSupercars.com/PhotoGallery/New%20Parts/images/IMG_4135.JPG

http://www.CamaroSupercars.com/PhotoGallery/New%20Parts/images/IMG_4139.JPG

[Leadfoot1]

:wow:

Haaaa Man! Isn't Christmas only in 2 months??? (all those opened boxes!)

And to think i'm still deciding on the model to run!!!
(I'm almost shure i'm ordering ZX3's in titanium)

Looking GREAT! Be sure to post some more pics! (On car)

What size are you runnin'?

Lead.

[tracy]

:wow:

Haaaa Man! Isn't Christmas only in 2 months??? (all those opened boxes!)

And to think i'm still deciding on the model to run!!!
(I'm almost shure i'm ordering ZX3's in titanium)

Looking GREAT! Be sure to post some more pics! (On car)

What size are you runnin'?

Lead.

Rears are 335/30x18 on 18x12's
Fronts are 245/40x18 on 18x8.5's

[ProdigyCustoms]

:wow:

Haaaa Man! Isn't Christmas only in 2 months??? (all those opened boxes!)

And to think i'm still deciding on the model to run!!!
(I'm almost shure i'm ordering ZX3's in titanium)

Looking GREAT! Be sure to post some more pics! (On car)

What size are you runnin'?

Lead.

I know the chrome ZX3Ps on jagarangs Firebird got killer reviews at SEMA. Titanium would be just wicked. Did you ever get the specs to Forgeline?
Just let me now when it is time Lead.

[Leadfoot1]

Hey Frank,

Yes, i sent Forgeline the C6 calipers specs tonight because i need the wheels to check the spacing....Hopefully they'll be willing to help.

I was/ am undecided on the size because of those darn 345's i cant get fit easily. To do the job, i need to change suspension set up from leaf to either Q-Link or Air bar (3000$)...then i can fit 13" rim. Then, i need the wheels,(5500$) of course i need brakes too...(3000$) + i need to tub the thing and do the frame connectors etc Oh and cut the housing + new axles (1500$) to use 5 inches of BS.......Did i mention the front suspension?

See, this is a budget exercise. I can't spend 15k at once. i have the dough for the tires and rims and could stretch for the brakes...but what good if i can't put the wheels on?(rear) Then, i could also do the suspension and do the tires next year (Yeah right). Or, i coud sell my 345's and run 20 x 10 and 295's instead...that way i could do everything because wheels are 500$ apiece instead of 1500$ea (Me = Canadian money, don't forget....) but now that i have the 345's you think im into this? NO.

If i could skip the suspension clearance issue it could be done faster. (Tire clearance to the leaf spring) especially since i have a set of bran new offset shackles in their box.

Ha, anyway...I'll stop whining and get back to calculations...I'll find a way. I alway' do!

You guy's have a tought for my dog tonight ok. I just came back from the emergency clinic. He drank water too fast tonight and flipped his stomach. It was a risky and costly (5k+) operation and we left him there. My wife stayed with him, i couldn't, i did with our last dog and still remember the pain. He was a 5 year old 140 pound all Muscle Doberman. The hardest thing is i told my (oldest) 4 year old little girl when i left tonight that i was gonna bring her dog back in the morning....I don't really look forward to breakfast...

Lead. :(

[tracy]

Hey Frank,

Yes, i sent Forgeline the C6 calipers specs tonight because i need the wheels to check the spacing....Hopefully they'll be willing to help.

I was/ am undecided on the size because of those darn 345's i cant get fit easily. To do the job, i need to change suspension set up from leaf to either Q-Link or Air bar (3000$)...then i can fit 13" rim. Then, i need the wheels,(5500$) of course i need brakes too...(3000$) + i need to tub the thing and do the frame connectors etc Oh and cut the housing + new axles (1500$) to use 5 inches of BS.......Did i mention the front suspension?

See, this is a budget exercise. I can't spend 15k at once. i have the dough for the tires and rims and could stretch for the brakes...but what good if i can't put the wheels on?(rear) Then, i could also do the suspension and do the tires next year (Yeah right). Or, i coud sell my 345's and run 20 x 10 and 295's instead...that way i could do everything because wheels are 500$ apiece instead of 1500$ea (Me = Canadian money, don't forget....) but now that i have the 345's you think im into this? NO.

If i could skip the suspension clearance issue it could be done faster. (Tire clearance to the leaf spring) especially since i have a set of bran new offset shackles in their box.

Ha, anyway...I'll stop whining and get back to calculations...I'll find a way. I alway' do!

You guy's have a tought for my dog tonight ok. I just came back from the emergency clinic. He drank water too fast tonight and flipped his stomach. It was a risky and costly (5k+) operation and we left him there. My wife stayed with him, i couldn't, i did with our last dog and still remember the pain. He was a 5 year old 140 pound all Muscle Doberman. The hardest thing is i told my (oldest) 4 year old little girl when i left tonight that i was gonna bring her dog back in the morning....I don't really look forward to breakfast...

Lead. :(

Lead, I am really sorry to hear about your dog. Hopefully he will be ok..I have a house full of them myself.

As for the car, it seems like you save yourself lots of trouble and expense by "settling" for 335's :rolleyes:

[ProdigyCustoms]

I feel you pain Lead, we have two dogs, and if something happen to them........ Good luck with the surgurey.

BTW, if you run 345s on 12" rims they are not wider then 335s on 13" rims. I have put Project Prodigys 345 / 20s under Kevins leaf spring mini tub car and have measured section widths. The backspacing is differetn for the IRS then kevins live axle, but if it were the correct backspace they would fit.

Look at the following links and specs, this shows in Pirelli's the the 335 and 345 the same width on different rims, and shows Michelin's to be only a 1/4" different,

What will be most critical will be pushing the tubs in as far as they can go. Ordering the wheels and tires first, then mocking them in place to measure for the rear to be sure it is exactly the right width

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Pirelli&model=PZero+Rosso&partnum=425YR00AR&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=0

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Michelin&model=Pilot+Sport&partnum=33ZR8SPORTC1&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=0

[Leadfoot1]

Thanks guy's...

I may have left the feeling they could do something for him but in fact we went in 3 and came out two. There was nothing they could promise and 5k was a low fig + the vet told us dogs this size generally have serious complications after operations like that so on the vet's reccomendation, it was the end. :(

('Went pretty well this morning with the kids tough...+ side...)

Now onto good news!

Frank, i noticed that on;

http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/tires_brand/Pirelli.php

where thay have 13.6" on an 11.5" rim. I just didn't want to take the chance of relying on specs not founded from the real world. This is great news!!!

I'm thinking to do custom tubs at this point anyway since the DSE is cool but keeps the stock outer which would prevent me from dropping the car as low as i want it, no? ('Cause the tire would hit the part of the tub curving into the top of itself) Custom tubs will permit me to put the tire closest to the 1/4.

So i guess a 12" rim would work. (?) If i could use the hangers for 1 season it would be great!

I also have the engine (LS1) to put in etc....So it figures (well for me) budget wise that this is gonna have to be built in stages, i really want to get the look tough so i can ride in style nxt summer!!!

I'll re-read your post to sink it in later, i only wanted to say thanks! (to both of you)

And yes, Tracy, i'm going thru so much trouble for those big skins....but hey, This is HOT RODDING!!!! And its what its all about!

Gotta get to work now....

'Later

Lead.

[ProdigyCustoms]

If you are eliminating the outers and doing drag style tubs, you will have plenty of clearance with the 345s on 12" rims. I WOULD NOT try a 11.5" rim, 12" is perfect.

Check out Prodigy again

http://prodigycustoms.com/mikes-prodigy.asp

[Leadfoot1]

Thanks Frank, :hail:

I looked at the wheels pics and they look awesome. The reason i wanted to go to the the max size rim is because i didn't want tire Bulge. I'd prefer them to be kinda pulled under the rim (a la Ferrari etc). When i measure the inside lip of my tires they have 13" inside so i figured for them to stay that wide i'd need at least a 13" rim....Your 345's on a 12 inch look Very good! See....Real world data! Haaaa! Peace of mind....Now only to wait from Forgeline.

What is the BSpace on prodigy's rear wheels (only as a reference for looks as i'm thinking to put the most bs i can but am not quite sure...More is not always better than not enough or som'tin like that they say)


Tracy, sorry for hijacking a few spots! I saw your taking a break from typing today so i figure we should get pics soon???? :thumbsup:

Lead.

Edit!!

I just received anwser from Forgeline! :D :D :D

Mario, I checked the template and we are able to clear the brakes. I took the time to give you a run down of what we would be able to build and still fit around the brakes.
19x8.5 we can offer a 4.7 bs, 5.2 bs or a 5.7 bs.
The rear wheel we can only offer a 7.2 backspace due to the availability in rim shell sizes. I will check to see if there are any new offerings in the rim size that I may not be aware of. Are you doing IRS or solid axle rear end? Is the 7.2 going to be a problem if that is all I can offer. I know in the past, customers have just made the adjustment in the rear end length. We can go with more backspace on the rear, just not less (that I am aware of).

[Leadfoot1]

Tracy,

Would you have a pic of the lower arm of your Q-Link attached....My car is getting tubbed right now and i encountered a problem. I Hit the leaf at its front half even with its rear moved in (offset hangers) and it now seems i won't be able to run my leafs (or tires)....i have 14" of tire width, and 13" from outmost part of tire sidewall (measuring in) to the outmost part of the leaf)

Thats a killer as the brakes/ wheels/ brackets/ tubbing/ framing budget is getting thin. I didn't plan to put the suspension in right away (i just sold my LS1 today to make that happen now...Good deal tough, paid 600$ w/ 4L60 and sold for 3k :-)---good, but now Gonna have to run the old school 327 for the season)

Now i need to decide what to run for suspension in order to get some clearance;

I'm really interested in finding out how much clearance you get from the tire to the leaf vs tire to the rod that replaces the leaf (?) The Air Ride guys say i would only gain 1/2" with their systems bar size (care to measure the dia of yours?) It seems like its not much and might not even do the trick. I need the car to be done to eveluate this for sure but its the time thats killing me as Forgeline is running a sale 'till monday and i need to take decisions NOW! If the tires are not going to fit...I'm gonna have to get smaller ones and at that point i might change the whole set up. I'm going thru many toughts and ideas.

I really lean torward the Airbar and their lower arm is same concept as the Q-L, so i tought i would ask. I really love the Q-Link but the ride and ease of install of the bar are appealing to me...Not to mention the drop.

Any help appreciated!

Lead.

Hey, any progress on the car?

[tracy]

Lots of progress since my last update. The car is officially a roller now..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4256.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4252.JPG

You can see that I am already in trouble with the law!!

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4253.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4262.JPG



I love these Forgelines...Thanks GPSuperstore!!

[tracy]

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4260.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4225.JPG


http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4228.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4233.JPG

[GHOSTDANCER]

Looks Killer :hail: :bow:

[tracy]

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4255.JPG

http://www.camarosupercars.com/PhotoGallery/Transformation/images/IMG_4254.JPG

Firewall is prepped for the body shop...thats next..

[Rybar]

Looks sick Tracy, you are moving along nicely on this project! :thumbsup:

[tracy]

Looks sick Tracy, you are moving along nicely on this project! :thumbsup:

Thanks. It's starting to feel real now.

[tracy]

Body
Overall design by Kris Horton (CarsByKris.com)
Complete subframe off restoration
Hugger Orange paint
Custom designed hockey stick stripes
Show-quality underside painting/detailing
Front subframe smoothed and powder coated
DSE weld-in subframe connectors
6-point chrome molly custom roll cage
Smoothed firewall
DSE rear mini-tubs
DSE electric RS headlight door openers
Marquez Design front and rear lighting

Interior
Recaro "Style" leather seats with power and heat. Matching rear seat.
Covan dash insert with Autometer gauges.
Custom upholstered trunk
Vintage Air GEN-II Compac A/C
Custom sound system

Engine
402 BBC .030" over
All forged rotating assembly
H-beam rods, JE pistons, 9.26:1 compression
Comp roller hydraulic cam
AFR 315cc CNC heads
Comp stainless roller rockers
FAST XFI
Holley single plane intake
Accufab throttle body
ATI F1R Pro-Charger blower
Ron Davis custom radiator
Rick's Hotrod Shop custom Stealth fuel tank
Milodon Road Race Pan
Shooting for 750HP

Transmission
Tremec T56 6-speed manual built to Viper specs
Mcleod Street Twin clutch with Hydraulic throwout
Custom chrome molly driveshaft

Rear
9" with Moser nodular housing with 31 spline axles, powder coated.
3.70 gears with Detroit True-Track posi

Brakes
Front: Wilwood 13", 6 piston C5 brakes, slotted, drilled, zinc coated.
Rear: Wilwood 12", 4 Piston with integrated E-brakes, slotted driller, zinc coated.
Wilwood master cylinder

Suspension
DSE Quadralink suspension w/panhard bar
DSE Koni coil-overs - rear
QA-1 double adjustable coilovers - front
Global West upper and lower control arms
DSE quick ratio 600 steering gear
DSE remote reservoir PS pump
ATS AFX Tall C5 Spindles
Global West 1.125" front sway bar

Wheels & Tires
Forgeline SP3P w/Gunmetal centers
18x12 rear ; 18x8.5 front
Rear: 335/30/18 Michelin Pilot Sports
Front: 245/40/18 Michelin Pilot Sports

[tracy]

Tony Huntimer (http://www.racehome.com) came by to shoot some pictures of my car yesterday...here is some of his his handywork..

http://www.camarosupercars.com/images/chilcotefabrication1-2.jpg

[Leadfoot1]

Hey!!!

Thats all we get??

Its been awhile, get us some more!

Looking great Tracy, i love the sky...Looks awesome! And matches the car to boot!

:cool:

Lead.

[tracy]

Here is another one of Tony's (http://racehome.com) shots...love it.

http://www.camarosupercars.com/images/chilcotefabrication2-2.jpg

[rwhite692]

That is a great pic... Was just checking out your webpages, very nice build!

Rob

[71Nova]

Thats a great looking 9 in. Is that a quadralink?

[Roger Poirier]

Thanks. It's starting to feel real now.


Best part of the whole project is seeing it come to life! :thumbsup:

R.P.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Looking good....Looooovee the wheels..

[tracy]

That is a great pic... Was just checking out your webpages, very nice build!

Rob

Thanks Rob.

[tracy]

Looking good....Looooovee the wheels..

Thanks. I am very happy with my choice as well.

[tracy]

Thats a great looking 9 in. Is that a quadralink?

Yes, its a quadralink.