Hobbs Camaro (Old Drag Car)

[Stielow]

There are stories about cars finding you and this is one of those stories. A gentleman reached to me on Facebook 3 years ago looking for a patina 1967 Camaro like Gordan Rojewski's '67. I said I did not know of any but, I was looking for a patina '69 Camaro. He said he had one and would never sell it. Well last year he sends me a message and said he wanted to sell his Camaro. I was great, can you tell me about it. He said he had the car for about 3 years and it was on old drag car.

The car was ordered new in 1969 by Vic Hobbs. He ordered a Marina Blue SS, with a 325 HP 396 CID Engine, Black Interior, 3 speed Auto, Cowl Hood, Endura Bumper, Rear Spoiler, 4.11 gears and radio delete.

The car was raced since new and was never titled for the public road until 2007.

I was busy racing and traveling a lot last year and though the car was cool and arranged to buy it less engine and trans, because the stock driveline was long gone and I had no need to the 496 BBC that was in it.

He said no problem because it was not running anyway. We negotiated a price and he offered to deliver it to Milford, MI.

I was cool. He shows up at my house and the car was super clean and as described. The he starts dragging in all the documentation on the car. All the original build sheet, deal delivery sheet, and a ton of other docs.

I'm looking through the stuff and the documents and them look in the car. The ODO showed 1277 miles.

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[Stielow]

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[Stielow]

More documents

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[ScotI]

Steelie front runners for the old school win. Very interesting.

[Stielow]

Check out this mini tub job from a long time ago.

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[Stielow]

Car sat unloved in the desert in CA for a few years. The car had the crazy paint job in 1969 then was re-painted in the 80s Marina Blue. This are photos of it when it made it to TN to the gentleman I purchased it from.

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[Stielow]

I got the car to my shop last summer.

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[Stielow]

Some more old photos.

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[srode1]

Wow, what an awesome find! Looking forward to seeing what you do with this one - looks like a keeper.

[camcojb]

What a great piece of history. You and Charley seem to have a knack for finding the impossible. Let me know if you want it added to your website.

[ArisESQ]

What's going in this one?? Hoping to see an LT6!!

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Kwhizz will know for sure but that looks like Great Lakes Dragaway in Union Grove.

I'm a little sad the bonkers paint isn't on the car.

[WSSix]

Great back story. I'd love to see this thing repainted in that old school scheme. That would look awesome on a hard core PT machine.

[Stielow]

What's going in this one?? Hoping to see an LT6!!


No LT6 won’t fit.


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[Stielow]

What a great piece of history. You and Charley seem to have a knack for finding the impossible. Let me know if you want it added to your website.


That would be great!


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[Steve68]

Cool car what's your vision with it? could use the word plan, but those change, I like the old paint from the 70's

Paint story....
My old neighbor was from Massachusetts, worked a little in FL. then retired, sells me a bunch of his old body tools, for years he did collision repair near the airport fixing rentals,

In the 60/70's he did custom paint work like on the 69 in your pictures, He showed me pictures of Chevelles Road Runners, GTX's couple of others too, all with the wild candy bubble style paint jobs, cool old pics,

[srode1]

No LT6 won’t fit.


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[Stielow]

The vision on this one has been all over the place.

The first plan was a stock subframe, leaf springs and a wet sump LS7. Kind of an over the fender build, quick and cheap. I struggled with the cars history and what to do with it. I couple of the past owner did just that. I am attempting to get the rest of the cars history. It is clear it has had a lot of engines, transmission and driveshafts in it. It has had a rough life.

Once we got the car to Sled Alley and really dug into the car its rough history came to light. The rust free floor pans was bent up so bad that the seat pans were bent and the transmission tunnel had a dog leg in it. After a lot of discussion with Matt at Sled Alley he convinced me the best way to get the car back straight again was a new floor pan. Crazy to cut out a rust free floor pan, but the is what we did. He convinced me it would be quicker, cheaper and better.

The next area to fix was the pop rivet “Mini Tub” job. After measuring everything up it looked like to easiest and best way to fix it was just do a full DSE Quadra Link and Mini Tub inner wheel houses. The DSE lager inner wheel wheels barely filled in the old cut outs. The Quadra Line cross member fixed the old odd shock holes in the trunk.

At this point is where my “Cheap over the fender build” went out the window. We were into a full build. Might as well fix it and make it the way I want.

I like to take my cars to the track. I love the way my old Camaros drove and looked. I’ve always been very happy how the DSE front subframe worked. So, we swapped to the DSE sub frame.

This is where the scope creep really started. Well if we are going to do a DSE chassis we should make it fully track capable.

The plan as of now:

Keep the patina paint but fix the chips and minor damage.
The car is 99% rust free
Paint the floor pans and the engine bay to look crisp and clean
Stock LS7 (Z 2/8 Spec) with faker BBC valve covers.
Air cleaner that connects to the stock hood – Stockish looking
Stock BBC Heater Box put with Vintage Air
Dry sump system
Tremec t-56
Stock looking simi-Custom Dakota Digital dash
Stoptech Brakes
Keep the stock 12 bolt
Forgeline Wheels 18X10 front and 18X12 rear
ABS
Recaro Seats

Kind of like my last builds but a little less power to keep the BBC look under the hood. I also want to try to make it quiet. I loved Apex, Gunner, Jackass and Hellfire but they are drove me nuts on long trips. Too loud. My Blazer is old man quiet. I love it for long trips. On a side note all my old cars would not pass the sound check at my local road race track (Waterford Hills) My goal is for it to pass the sound level there.

I know the drag race guys are going to hate me not keeping it a drag car, but I’m not a drag racer. We do this hobby to have fun. I’m going to build it the way I want it. I purchased the car because I loved the look of it with the patina paint, the factory endura bumper, the factory cowl hood and the rear deck spoiler. I did not really understand the history until I got it. The history is way cool but not the reason I purchased it. I’m going to fix all the cars past sins and make it better.

Sorry, but I love the look of a 1969 Camaro with 275/35R18 tires on the front and 335/30R18 on the rear. I’m going to pay homage to the history of the car by keeping the engine bay looking like a BBC and the stockish dash.

I like driving and tracking my cars so that is the way I’m going to build it.

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[camcojb]

Page is up, we can change the title to whatever you want. I'll keep adding text and pics as you share them. Thanks Mark!

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[sleepertime]

Wow,
Thanks for sharing all those details. It sounds like it will be lots of fun when you are complete but not have to worry about the chips and door dings of a daily driver.
Again you have inspired many in the community that there are many different directions to go and in the end it's all about what makes you, the owner happy.

Thanks.... Dennis

[Stielow]

Wow,
Thanks for sharing all those details. It sounds like it will be lots of fun when you are complete but not have to worry about the chips and door dings of a daily driver.
Again you have inspired many in the community that there are many different directions to go and in the end it's all about what makes you, the owner happy.

Thanks.... Dennis


Dennis

Thanks, I have had a lot of fun doing these projects. As my wife can testify to - It is a process. Lot of small decisions that effect the final product. She is tired of hearing about it.

Obviously I like the building process or I would stop doing it. At the end of the day this is supposed to be fun.

Mark


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[Stielow]

More updates. Cleaning the bottom getting ready to remove the floor pan.

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[camcojb]

Thanks Mark. I know you're incredibly busy, greatly appreciate you sharing your builds with us. :thumbsup:

[Ketzer]

Thanks Mark. I know you're incredibly busy, greatly appreciate you sharing your builds with us. :thumbsup:

^^THIS^^!!!

[Stielow]

Thanks Mark. I know you're incredibly busy, greatly appreciate you sharing your builds with us. :thumbsup:


I’m at the Indy Motor Speedway right now watching Fast Friday getting ready for Indy 500 qualifying tomorrow.

Lateral G is a good diversion from racing.

Mark


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[sleepertime]

That is interesting to see only mechanical damage from all the drag racing, but no rust...Usually quite the opposite...:goggles:

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[89 RS]

Cool background story to this Camaro, Mark. Thanks for sharing the photos of the docs and such. Looking forward to seeing the finished Camaro when it is complete.

[Stielow]

Well we cut the floors out.

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[colorado80439]

I've always questioned the stability of those rear subframe rails, I would be tempted to build a better back half if I was replacing the floor. But then again I haven't heard of any issues with the previous builds.

[Cramer4918]

I got the car to my shop last summer.


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1277 miles a 1/4 mile at a time!!!

It definitely has some history. Looking forward to the progress and finished product!

[Che70velle]

This is cool Mark. I’ve always loved the tech you’ve poured into your builds…I remember following QuadraDeuce as a teenager, for instance. With your Camaros (mostly) going max-effort LS builds, a TT SBC, and a couple LT’s for good measure, why not throw a GM 632 crate in this one, for “nostalgia” and all out power as well. You could dry sump it, improve the valvetrain, and make it trackable, while being just cool as crap. Torque for days, without forced induction. My next pro touring build will have the 632 and a 6 speed. I love the LS platform (I’m a mod on LS1Tech) and build quite a few of them, but the 632 is just plain tits.

[BonzoHansen]

Cool find.

If it still had that crazy paint job it would have screamed out for that 632.

[Stielow]

Cool find.

If it still had that crazy paint job it would have screamed out for that 632.


I have driven the 632 development vehicle. It is very civilized for 1000 HP. My buddy did the cal work and it idles at 850 RPM and drives nice for a 1000 HP BBC. It is a bit loud and rowdy. If you like open pipe Harley Davison motorcycle you should get a 632.

You will also need a TALL hood unless you swap to a Hogan style front TB intake. Scoggin. Dickey is testing some.


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[Stielow]

With the floor pans straightened and replaced it is time to trial fit the Detroit Speed subframe and sheet metal. Need to square things up before subframe connectors, which the car should of had back in the day.

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[Stielow]

This is cool Mark. I’ve always loved the tech you’ve poured into your builds…I remember following QuadraDeuce as a teenager, for instance. With your Camaros (mostly) going max-effort LS builds, a TT SBC, and a couple LT’s for good measure, why not throw a GM 632 crate in this one, for “nostalgia” and all out power as well. You could dry sump it, improve the valvetrain, and make it trackable, while being just cool as crap. Torque for days, without forced induction. My next pro touring build will have the 632 and a 6 speed. I love the LS platform (I’m a mod on LS1Tech) and build quite a few of them, but the 632 is just plain tits.


I’ve owned and driven a large number of Powertrains now. For pure joy of driving the best package I have ever had it is the 427 LS9 built by Brian Thompson. We have beat the crap out of that combination and it just works for track, street and cross country cruising. Not a cheap date but very good. The best bang for your buck is a stock LT4. Very good linear power. Throttle response not as good, but fantastic drivability.

The 632 is pissed off. If you want to roll into the cars and coffee and have a penis measuring contest this is your clear winner. The 632 at work is very cool. My wife and neighbors are not big fans of the dual 4.5 exhaust on it need to make 1004 HP as installed. The headers are also 2 inches stepped to 2.25 BIG HEADERS. It is a Pro Street or Drag engine. That valve train and oiling system would not be happy on a autocross or a road course.

For me I always like the flexibility of a blower motor. Docile idle, easy on valve train and great throttle response. Also with the blower cars you can get away with a GOOD 3 inch exhaust system. It just pisses of your neighbors but you don’t get a letter from the HOA.

Any car that make over 900 hp the whole package is a challenge, if you want to track it. The fuel system is not a joke. The cooling system needs to be stout. The clutch, trans, driveshaft and diff all need a lot of extra attention.

Big power is big fun and big money. I’ve been playing with them for a bit.

For this car I’m starting with a 2015 Z 2/8 spec LS7. The Z2/8 program manager fixed a few critical issues with the LS7. The engine is a rock solid 525 HP in a hot rod. It should be brick reliable and very civilized. If I don’t like the 525 HP, I can yank it out and drive over to Brian Thompson’s and “fix” it.

Mark

[thedugan]

So what car will be done first? Charley's 67 or this 69? or the 55....

With the painted firewall does that mean you are just bolting in the hyd clutch bracket?

[Stielow]

So what car will be done first? Charley's 67 or this 69? or the 55....

With the painted firewall does that mean you are just bolting in the hyd clutch bracket?


Charley’s 67 will most likely be done first if it doesn’t get stuck in paint jail.

Still need to weld on the clutch bracket. Paint is just basically primer.


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[EVO]

How is it that Sled Alley manages to keep the floor and shop so darn clean??? (asking for a friend :rolleyes:)
Stoked to see another Camaro coming along Mark, great work.
E.

[camcojb]

For this car I’m starting with a 2015 Z 2/8 spec LS7. The Z2/8 program manager fixed a few critical issues with the LS7. The engine is a rock solid 525 HP in a hot rod. It should be brick reliable and very civilized. If I don’t like the 525 HP, I can yank it out and drive over to Brian Thompson’s and “fix” it.

Mark

You're gonna want more power. :morepower Remember the Mule? GREAT looking car and engine package. But Charley was bored to tears as it was by far the slowest car he had lol, hence the twin-turbo project. I love the idea of N/A and the big block look, but I'd want at least another 100 hp over what you've planned, and only do it once. Just a thought from an arm chair QB... :peepwall:

[Stielow]

How is it that Sled Alley manages to keep the floor and shop so darn clean??? (asking for a friend :rolleyes:)
Stoked to see another Camaro coming along Mark, great work.
E.


Matt and crew at Sled Alley clean the shop everyday. Always looks great. His attention to detail is very high.


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[OLDFLM]

A 600+hp/550lbft LS427 NA stroker seems doable with MPFI for the big block look you're after Mark... or a lightly modded LT4 dressed with a cross ram Z/28 air cleaner on top?!

[Stielow]

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Do an engine bay like this but not an A/C car but the factory BBC heater core box.


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[WSSix]

That's hot. I think this is a great look. The engine bay is amazing.

[Stielow]

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[130fe]

Mark, are you going to be using a Holley system for harness/PCM? Are you using the Lokar LS Classic pieces to dress the engine up? Looks great!

[Stielow]

Mark, are you going to be using a Holley system for harness/PCM? Are you using the Lokar LS Classic pieces to dress the engine up? Looks great!


Yes Holley ECM. I will use a few Lokar bits like the valve covers.

Sled Alley is going to build the cowl air cleaner.


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[camcojb]

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Looks great. Does it fit if you spin the TB 180 degrees?

[Stielow]

Looks great. Does it fit if you spin the TB 180 degrees?


The throttle body fits inside the air cleaner and I’m adding a velocity stack

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[214Chevy]

This is so cool!!

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[Stielow]

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[LS7 Z/28]

For this car I’m starting with a 2015 Z 2/8 spec LS7. The Z2/8 program manager fixed a few critical issues with the LS7. The engine is a rock solid 525 HP in a hot rod. It should be brick reliable and very civilized. If I don’t like the 525 HP, I can yank it out and drive over to Brian Thompson’s and “fix” it.

Mark

I went to Brian years ago because I knew you trusted him. He built me a very solid LS7. It was nothing crazy like the 900 plus builds you've done, but naturally aspirated at 665 HP, it was pretty wild. I can completely understand why you're going the route you're going and I think it's a great idea. My car was definitely loud, to the point of being a lot of fun, but annoying. One of the best memories I had was sitting waiting in the autocross line, the starter guy says, " How big of an engine is that?" So I told him 427, and he says with a smirk, "You can tell". I definitely laughed at that. It shook the ground even at that power level. My grandpa actually raced a real ZL1 engine bought from a dealership new back in the day in a couple of dirt oval cars and he always talked about how it shook the ground wherever they went. 427 is cool no matter how you slice it.

[bulldog19]

There’s no substitute for cubic inches!

[Stielow]

There’s no substitute for cubic inches!


Boost?


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[camcojb]

:morepower:

[OLDFLM]

My dad always said that all it took to go fast was "Cubic Inches or Cubic Money!"

[Stielow]

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[Stielow]

There were some questions on the air cleaner and the throttle body. This is another Camaro at Sled Alley.

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[BonzoHansen]

There’s no substitute for cubic inches!

Boost?
They go together like peanut butter & jelly.

[Stielow]

Some more updates from Sled Alley

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I decided to try the stock 12 bolt for this build. It had a crack in one of the tubs from all the drag racing. Matt fixed that and got it tuned up.

We have been have a lot issues with noisy Ford 9 inch rear axles. We put a Ford 8.8 in another build and it is quite. I hope the 12 bolt works better also. Time will tell.

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Added the DSE brackets and my axle ends for C6 hubs so I can add ABS. We weld on washers now to enable a clean wiring installation later.


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Trunk braces and trunk repairs. I have no idea what was in the trunk that pocked these big holes in it.


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[68454RS]

Amazing quality of work .. loving it

[Stielow]

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These are made out of 304 stainless steel. They make excellent tie down points and they won’t rust. We leave them unpainted. A Sled Alley original product!

Make strapping a car down very quick, safe and easy.


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[camcojb]

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These are made out of 304 stainless steel. They make excellent tie down points and they won’t rust. We leave them unpainted. A Sled Alley original product!

Make strapping a car down very quick, safe and easy.


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I will definitely give Matt a call when I get to that point, been looking for something clean and secure to tie the car down when trailering. Or to pull it up our steep driveway if it quits at the bottom. :lol:

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These are made out of 304 stainless steel. They make excellent tie down points and they won’t rust. We leave them unpainted. A Sled Alley original product!

Make strapping a car down very quick, safe and easy.


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I am curious what filler rod is used to weld stainless to regular steel. I’ve wondered about this for years. :)

Don

[dontlifttoshift]

308 works for stuff that doesn't matter but 309 is perfect for stainless to carbon steel welding.

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My number one question about my cars is “What is the wheel offset”? Over the years we have found it easier for the rear wheels to order the wheels then build the axle to fit. It is easier to modify the axle tube than it is to get new wheels.

I was going to use a retro wheel, but I could not get the brakes to fit. The crew at Forgeline did a lot of work to attempt to get it to work. For me form follows function. I really wanted a retro wheel but I think these look great. If I really want the old dog dish look I’ll swap the brakes to sliders and order new wheels.


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[OLDFLM]

It's too bad Forgeline's RS5, CR3 or JO3C wouldn't work on Hobb's Camaro... Those would have fit the look and patina perfectly!

This Camaro, just like its predecessors, will be amazing, thanks for sharing the details Mark! The custom XIX center caps are a really cool touch!

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What are the sizes on this one?

[Stielow]

What are the sizes on this one?


275/35R18 on a 18x10 and 335/30R18 on a 18x12 rear.

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[jeff71]

Are you still using TechAFX for the chin spoiler?

Do you go monoblock wheels nowadays for weight?

[Stielow]

Are you still using TechAFX for the chin spoiler?

Do you go monoblock wheels nowadays for weight?


Wow I forgot about Tech AFX. Maybe?

I do monoblocks to clear the brakes and the are lighter and stiffer.


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[WSSix]

Great choice on the rims. Love that it has 14 in Roman numerals on the center caps. That's a nice touch.

[Stielow]

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I drug my Camaros home for my Wife and I car party.

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[camcojb]

What a cool party!

[dhutton]

What is the Camaro in the lift? I seem to have lost track… :)

Don

[Stielow]

What is the Camaro in the lift? I seem to have lost track… :)

Don


Well the Orange Camaro is “on deck” to be built sometime.


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[OLDFLM]

Mark,

What's the story on the cool Corvette in the other bay of your garage?

[Stielow]

Mark,

What's the story on the cool Corvette in the other bay of your garage?


1963 Z06 it was owned by Mickey Thompson and race in 1963. Not mine. It is a friend of mine that brought it to the party.

Very cool car with a ton of history.


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[camcojb]

Any chance you'll be at SEMA?

[Stielow]

Any chance you'll be at SEMA?


Nope


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[camcojb]

You are way too busy my friend... :lol:

[EVIL SS]

My number one question about my cars is “What is the wheel offset”? Over the years we have found it easier for the rear wheels to order the wheels then build the axle to fit. It is easier to modify the axle tube than it is to get new wheels.

I was going to use a retro wheel, but I could not get the brakes to fit. The crew at Forgeline did a lot of work to attempt to get it to work. For me form follows function. I really wanted a retro wheel but I think these look great. If I really want the old dog dish look I’ll swap the brakes to sliders and order new wheels.


Looks great so far!! I you assume start with a known offset and adjust from there? What brakes are you going to run on this car?

[Stielow]

Looks great so far!! I you assume start with a known offset and adjust from there? What brakes are you going to run on this car?


The Detroit Speed subframe works well with a 18x10 front with a 20 mm offset or 6.25 backspacing. The rear we ordered a 18x12 with the most backspacing that Forgeline could do in there forging. Off memory it as 19 mm offset 7.25 backspacing.

I think I will have 2 sets of brakes for this car. The track setup with the Brembo and Monoblock Forgeline wheel (Pictured below). To keep with look of the car I’m going to order new Forgeline OE wheels that will take poverty cap hub caps. For the OE style wheel I’ll need to run stock C6 Corvette brakes. For just cruising around the OE black steel looking wheels will work well.

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[Stielow]

Matt is back to working on my car. He cranked on it to get it to my Car Party as a roller.

The only real rust on this car was the dash at the base of the windshield. I dislike the look of the repo dash top so Matt tuned it up to look more stock.

The repo speaker grill doesn’t look right. Matt swapped the stock one back into the dash.

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Did he redo the VIN hole to match original or did you get a top that does look correct?

[Stielow]

Did he redo the VIN hole to match original or did you get a top that does look correct?


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[EVIL SS]

The Detroit Speed subframe works well with a 18x10 front with a 20 mm offset or 6.25 backspacing. The rear we ordered a 18x12 with the most backspacing that Forgeline could do in there forging. Off memory it as 19 mm offset 7.25 backspacing.

I think I will have 2 sets of brakes for this car. The track setup with the Brembo and Monoblock Forgeline wheel (Pictured below).

Thanks Mark! Is this the same setup as your LT5 car with custom hats? I'm still looking for a good front brake setup for my LT5 build.

[ScotI]

The Detroit Speed subframe works well with a 18x10 front with a 20 mm offset or 6.25 backspacing. The rear we ordered a 18x12 with the most backspacing that Forgeline could do in there forging. Off memory it as 19 mm offset 7.25 backspacing.

I think I will have 2 sets of brakes for this car. The track setup with the Brembo and Monoblock Forgeline wheel (Pictured below). To keep with look of the car I’m going to order new Forgeline OE wheels that will take poverty cap hub caps. For the OE style wheel I’ll need to run stock C6 Corvette brakes. For just cruising around the OE black steel looking wheels will work well.

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I was curious what the OE1's allowed as far as brakes (aggressive brake packages or limited to production based).

[Stielow]

Thanks Mark! Is this the same setup as your LT5 car with custom hats? I'm still looking for a good front brake setup for my LT5 build.


Yes similar set up. I had Howell make custom rotors for the back with the stock ZR1 hats.

Brakes are a personal choice. I like the Brembo stuff because I know it and I know the Brembo engineers, both on the production side and the racing side.

I know a lot of people are use a lot of other brands with no issues.


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[Stielow]

I was curious what the OE1's allowed as far as brakes (aggressive brake packages or limited to production based).


You can run “Big” or oppose piston brakes with the OE Forgeline wheel. It just pushes the center out board and make the center cap look odd.

See attached photos. The outer rim half is not very deep and IMO the center cap pushed out like this is not my preference.

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[ScotI]

You can run “Big” or oppose piston brakes with the OE Forgeline wheel. It just pushes the center out board and make the center cap look odd.

See attached photos. The outer rim half is not very deep and IMO the center cap pushed out like this is not my preference.
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Yes sir.... I've discussed this in-depth w/my No.1 car buddy & agree w/you 1000%.

I do not care for the hub cap protruding beyond the wheel lip. Yes, it's still an OE appearing set-up but that cap hanging out beyond the rim lip is too much outside of 'the look' for me.
That's what had me questioning what set-ups are compatible.

Thanks for your input.

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Looks like the extra metal for a convertible rear seat area ledge was added, assume that was for stiffening? I didn't notice this on your last build, maybe just didn't catch it.

[Stielow]

Looks like the extra metal for a convertible rear seat area ledge was added, assume that was for stiffening? I didn't notice this on your last build, maybe just didn't catch it.


The new floor pans came with it so we added it.


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[Stielow]

When the previous owner had it the fire wall got messed up.

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Modified the heater box. We will add the pass thoughs later


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[Stielow]

Working on the transmission tunnel to get clearance for the D&D Tremec 6 speed. It also helps the driveline angles.

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[syborg tt]

Stunning work.

Next time we head to the Autorama I would love to see his shop.


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[jeff71]

Updates?

[Stielow]

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I got a second set of wheels for “street” use. To get the look I wanted I had to go to slider stock brakes.


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[Dave Pratt]

Those welds are amazing...and look nothing like mine :)

[jeff71]

Nice! Why the custom trans crossmember over the Holley this time?

[Stielow]

Nice! Why the custom trans crossmember over the Holley this time?


More exhaust clearance mainly. You can suck up the exhaust about an extra 1/2 inch.


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Engine and transmission is ready to go.


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[syborg tt]

The wheels are going to look very nice and I am looking forward to more pictures.

[OLDFLM]

I'm sure you've already checked Mark, but will the EFI with air cleaner clear the stock hood or do you have other plans? It looks pretty tall!

[OLDFLM]

I'm sure you've already checked Mark, but will the EFI with air cleaner clear the stock hood or do you have other plans? It looks pretty tall!

[thedugan]

Will fit under a stock cowl hood seeing that they are doing a similar setup to what Matt did for Tom Tomlinson's Camaro.

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/zl-1-inspired-1969-camaro/

[Stielow]

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Yes should fit. Tom’s 69. Very similar.


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[carbuff]

Mark,

A couple of quick questions about that intake setup...

What throttle body is that?

Is the air cleaner base bolted between the throttle body and intake for mounting?

And finally, does it clear the fuel rails without a spacer?

I used that same intake manifold and fuel rails, and I struggled with making a Trans Am shaker base fit. Wish I had thought of this idea. Very slick! I do prefer a cable connection between the throttle pedal and TB though - not a big fan of the DBW setups in the cars I have driven. Presumably with a good tuner it shouldn't be an issue though.

[jeff71]

Correct me if I’m wrong Mark, DBW for cruise control?

[Stielow]

Mark,

A couple of quick questions about that intake setup...

What throttle body is that?

Is the air cleaner base bolted between the throttle body and intake for mounting?

And finally, does it clear the fuel rails without a spacer?

I used that same intake manifold and fuel rails, and I struggled with making a Trans Am shaker base fit. Wish I had thought of this idea. Very slick! I do prefer a cable connection between the throttle pedal and TB though - not a big fan of the DBW setups in the cars I have driven. Presumably with a good tuner it shouldn't be an issue though.


The 90 mm throttle body is off a LS3/7.

The DBW set up allows cruise control, tunable throttle progression, no linkage and no idle air control motor.

With some tuning it feels good, or I’m used to it.
I also hate the feel of cables and solid mechanical linkage is problematic.

The new LT torque base engine cals do have poor throttle response. It can be calibrated to be better but not as good as the PFI cals.

Mark


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Seat pans are in for good after the transmission cross member reinforcements were installed


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Filled a few things on the firewall. We are using Vintage Air so no need for blower motor hole.


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[Stielow]

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Moved the driver side quarter panel back to the stockish location. It was pushed out 3/4 of an inch when is was a drag car. Looks like a sled hammer deal. Matt fixed it.


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[syborg tt]

Wow this car has some beautiful patina

[Aschle]

I am very interested in the transmission crossmember. You can see the tabs poking through the floor, and the mount itself... Can you shed light on what the topside looks like? I would love to get ideas for my own car.


Beautiful build as always !!!


Jason

[Stielow]

I am very interested in the transmission crossmember. You can see the tabs poking through the floor, and the mount itself... Can you shed light on what the topside looks like? I would love to get ideas for my own car.


Beautiful build as always !!!


Jason


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[Stielow]

We have done this trans mount before on 4 Camaros. No issues so far. Makes a super clean set up.


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[EVIL SS]

We have done this trans mount before on 4 Camaros. No issues so far. Makes a super clean set up.


Do you make mounts or brackets to mount your Recaro seats? Also, are you using 6pt bits? Where have you found it best for the mounting points?

[Stielow]

Do you make mounts or brackets to mount your Recaro seats? Also, are you using 6pt bits? Where have you found it best for the mounting points?


We make the adapter from the stock seat pan to the Recaro seat tracks. I’ll try to find a photo.

For the sub belt we modify the seat pan to allow for it to be bolted in.

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[Aschle]

Thank you for the reply. I am absolutely going to be using that method. Super clean, simple, and it works !!!

On a side note, whoever is doing the welding on the car, is an artist !!!

Jason

[Stielow]

At Sled Alley today.

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[srode1]

Shortened the tank? How much will it hold now?

[Stielow]

Shortened the tank? How much will it hold now?


We will add an extra tank to get the capacity back up to 10 quarts.

Yes we had to shorten to fit.


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[Steve68]

Mark, how level is the car when the sub frame connectors are installed on jackstands??

I have mine within an 1/8 of an inch, was wondering how the guys set that up,

[jeff71]

Mark,

Why the change in tank locations this time?

[Stielow]

Mark,

Why the change in tank locations this time?


Attempting to keep it simpler. Doing the dry sump tank in the cowl is very cool, but it is a ton of fabrication. Matt and Tom did it like this on Tom’s orange 69. It looked cool and I had a stock 2008 Z06 dry sump tank laying around from an old project, so we did it that way.

This is a cruiser build and not a track monster so not worried about weight distribution.


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[Stielow]

New tires.

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Trying the Continentals. Michelin quit making a 335/30R18

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[jmac]

Very cool!

Can you please show us how the tank is supported up front in the wheel well?

Also, where would you place the other tank in order to bring it back up to 10 quarts capacity?

Thanks!

[Stielow]

Very cool!

Can you please show us how the tank is supported up front in the wheel well?

Also, where would you place the other tank in order to bring it back up to 10 quarts capacity?

Thanks!


Working on it! I will post photos when we get to that point.


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The car was clean and rust free, but its life as a drag car had some wear and tear. Matt is repairing all this rag tag stuff.

Before we can finish the dry sump tank mounting the front clip needs to be on the cast and square.


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[HRS]

Another great looking build Mark. I was looking up some of your other Camaro builds last night and found this.
New partnership to build more Camaro's?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Of-Course-I-m-Right-I-m-A-Stielow-Ceramic-15oz-White-Mug-White/564143209

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[camcojb]

Another great looking build Mark. I was looking up some of your other Camaro builds last night and found this.
New partnership to build more Camaro's?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Of-Course-I-m-Right-I-m-A-Stielow-Ceramic-15oz-White-Mug-White/564143209

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Thanks for posting. I showed that to Mark, he got a laugh out of it lol.

[Stielow]

Thanks for posting. I showed that to Mark, he got a laugh out of it lol.


Seems very odd to me. Not sure the meaning?

To quote Lillard - “Nobody cares”. Lol


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[Stielow]

Very cool!

Can you please show us how the tank is supported up front in the wheel well?

Also, where would you place the other tank in order to bring it back up to 10 quarts capacity?

Thanks!


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[Stielow]

We test fit the “new” wheels.

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[Stielow]

Hub caps or no hub caps?

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[214Chevy]

Hub caps or no hub caps?

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Hubs if you ask me. I love that look...

[bulldog19]

Hub Caps!

[ataves1]

Caps for sure.

[thedugan]

Caps for sure. They look ripe for a Matt custom cap modification. The old Corvette flat rally caps would also look nice IMHO.

[camcojb]

Hub caps for the win!

[jeff71]

Definitely with. Although I’m biased I’ve been a long time fan of the caps.

[214Chevy]

Definitely with. Although I’m biased I’ve been a long time fan of the caps.

:flashie::flashie::flashie::flashie:

[fleetus macmullitz]

We test fit the “new” wheels.

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Normally I’m a huge fan of caps. Posted a lot of vehicles with them over the years on here. :thumbsup:

But for this particular car, no caps really adds to the nasty/mystery/raw look of ‘what’s this thing got under the skin’ with it being a patina car.

If it was a full paint car, then I’d prefer caps.

[EVIL SS]

Hub caps or no hub caps?

Caps but, they are to shiny and clean.

[NOVA]

We test fit the “new” wheels.

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No Caps

[ScotI]

Caps.

[srode1]

Caps for sure, wish I had kept the ones that came on mine in '79

[Stielow]

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[jeff71]

A lot of changes this go around. Im noticing the radiator mounting is not the bushing type you’ve been doing?

[Stielow]

A lot of changes this go around. Im noticing the radiator mounting is not the bushing type you’ve been doing?


Yes that is a DeWitt radiator with a Spal fan. A direct bolt up radiator. It should be more than enough cooling for a stockish LS7.

The DeWitt rad is a nice part and has a more OE feel for the look I wanted in the engine bay.


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[dmc69]

Hub caps or no hub caps?

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Caps 100%

[formula88]

Hub caps or no hub caps?

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Caps….dammit!


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[syborg tt]

So, I am torn as I really like the Hub Caps and everyone seems to be doing them and technically you are the Trend Setter and no Hub Caps looks really cool.

[ArisESQ]

Hub caps or no hub caps?

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with caps for sure

[Stielow]

with caps for sure


Ok this has been fun. Going with caps. Blue or Black wheels. Blue wheel photos for reference

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[214Chevy]

Blue wheels are the classic/original look. Can't go wrong either way. But, I'd opt for black wheels if it were my car.

[F'in mine]

Ok this has been fun. Going with caps. Blue or Black wheels. Blue wheel photos for reference

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I vote for black

[ScotI]

Blue painted wheels were for the more 'optioned' cars. Black was for the bare bones models.
Since this one is a 'less is more' exercise, Satin Black would be my go-to.

[jeff71]

Since the majority went black I’d go the opposite.

Body color, maybe Dutch Boys can do some patina on them?

[OLDFLM]

Black with caps!

[colorado80439]

Blue looks good with 15" wheels, but when you get more wheel and less side wall i would stick with black to hide the skinny side wall. Roadster shop was able to pull it off with this build although the front side wall looks a little skinny. I believe they are using at least a 19" in the rear. I've always liked an 18' front 19" rear stagger look for the 69

[carbuff]

I would be worried about matching the blue closely enough that it wouldn't be obvious. But I do like the blue idea. Tough call - look forward to seeing which path you choose.

[syborg tt]

I would be worried about matching the blue closely enough that it wouldn't be obvious. But I do like the blue idea. Tough call - look forward to seeing which path you choose.

I agree with Byran

[clill]

Add mudflaps......

[ScotI]

Add mudflaps......

Black for sure then (so they match :D ).... .

[srode1]

Yeah, I was thinking the same - body color with some patina. Black just isn't going to look factory IMHO, don't think that was ever done was it? Mine came with lemans blue wheels from the factory, same color as the body.

[colorado80439]

https://davidsclassiccars.com/chevrolet/488526-1969-chevrolet-camaro-99507-miles-lemans-blue-coupe-v8-5-speed-manual.html

I wonder how it would look with the lip black and the wheel center blue?

[Ns RS]

I’m with skip no caps - fits the drag racing aesthetic no decoration (caps) necessary - roaster shop pulled it off beautifully with this build a few years back

[WSSix]

I'd try for matching the blue first as to many people are going with black wheels now. You can fall back to black if it doesn't work out with the blue. You could also try, black lips as suggested in the interim to see how that would play out.

And, I'd go with center caps so long as they'll stay on at speed.

[RLEWIS]

:lol:Add mudflaps......

And a gas pedal shaped like a foot. :D

[MSTSFabbed]

I dig the blue wheels with the caps. It’s a modern take on the stock look.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I was surprised to see just caps on this TA…glad Pontiac didn’t go with body colored wheels though.:rolleyes:

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[Stielow]

To make up for the shorter dry sump take Matt made a goiter tank to get the system up to a 10 guart capacity

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[Aschle]

So much talent and vision !!!

Your builds never disappoint us, not even a little !!!

[Stielow]

So much talent and vision !!!

Your builds never disappoint us, not even a little !!!


Thanks, Matt is awesome!


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[ScotI]

Mark,

What adapter was used for the intake that allows this packaging? I was looking into an aftermarket style body but I'm intrigued about possibly using my existing 6.0 DBW unit.

Or if you know of any other details on this I can research/investigate that you could share, it would be appreciated.

[camcojb]

Mark,

What adapter was used for the intake that allows this packaging? I was looking into an aftermarket style body but I'm intrigued about possibly using my existing 6.0 DBW unit.

Or if you know of any other details on this I can research/investigate that you could share, it would be appreciated.

Probably this or something similar.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-17-93?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKCAiAjrarBhAWEiwA2qWdCBKlJCd_R715ukv3x2lU S_CTtknEN1Xzn7IFHjX_pG4m5y5YqPsjZxoCS1sQAvD_BwE

[ScotI]

This is what I was hoping for (available vs something that was one-off built).
TY sir.... I'll check into it.

[jeff71]

Here’s some I know about.

https://www.delmospeed.com/product-category/motor-parts/throttle-body-adapters/



https://www.lsclassic.com/intake-systems/chevy-409-air-cleaner-kit


https://www.psiconversion.com/CLASSICLS/THR-9930.html

[Stielow]

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[ScotI]

Ok this has been fun. Going with caps. Blue or Black wheels.

Since you drive your stuff..... My vote is black wheels. VHT Epoxy Satin Black is very easy to source & use for touch-up needs @ any time. I use it on my steelies for just that reason.

[Stielow]

Looks great. I am curious if you feel those exhaust manifolds flow better than the GM stainless tri-y manifolds.

Thanks,
Don


I don’t have any data other than “looking X guessing”. I would bet the stock LS7 Camaro Z/28 Tri Y headers will make more power. The GM Powertrain team did a lot of work on those Z/28
Manifolds to get over 505 HP stock.

I have made over 800 HP with the Holley exhaust manifolds on a blower motors.

Both are good. The Holley’s fit the “look” of the engine bay better.

Mark


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[jeff71]

I don’t have any data other than “looking X guessing”. I would bet the stock LS7 Camaro Z/28 Tri Y headers will make more power. The GM Powertrain team did a lot of work on those Z/28
Manifolds to get over 505 HP stock.

I have made over 900 HP with the Holley exhaust manifolds on a blower motors.

Both are good. The Holley’s fit the “look” of the engine bay better.

Mark


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On season 1 episode 15 of Engine Masters they tested the Holley manifold against a mid and full length on a LS.




But for those that don’t have the capability of watching.

[dhutton]

I don’t have any data other than “looking X guessing”. I would bet the stock LS7 Camaro Z/28 Tri Y headers will make more power. The GM Powertrain team did a lot of work on those Z/28
Manifolds to get over 505 HP stock.

I have made over 800 HP with the Holley exhaust manifolds on a blower motors.

Both are good. The Holley’s fit the “look” of the engine bay better.

Mark


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Thanks. I use those tri-y LS and LT manifolds on all the junk I build :). I find them on eBay for a couple of hundred dollars. Great value but they are a little ugly.

Don

[Stielow]

What I learned on the Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 program is the LS7 works better if you keep the oil cool. This Earls oil cooler maybe a tad too big put I had it on the shelf. Im also using an Innovative Eng thermostat to regulate the temp. For a cruiser I chose the 210F thermostat.

You really want to get the oil temp up to 212F to help get the water out of the oil when you are just cruising around.

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It required a little rework of of the header panel support.


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[syborg tt]

Hi Mark,

Quick Question.

I am so torn with painting my Radiator and AC Condenser as I feel the paint always flakes off. Do you have any suggestions as what to use.

What I learned on the Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 program is the LS7 works better if you keep the oil cool. This Earls oil cooler maybe a tad too big put I had it on the shelf. Im also using an Innovative Eng thermostat to regulate the temp. For a cruiser I chose the 210F thermostat.

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[Stielow]

Hi Mark,

Quick Question.

I am so torn with painting my Radiator and AC Condenser as I feel the paint always flakes off. Do you have any suggestions as what to use.


I’ve never had a problem, but I just had the Dutchboys paint them. Not sure on the process.


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[syborg tt]

I’ve never had a problem, but I just had the Dutchboys paint them. Not sure on the process.


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Thank you I will shoot Paul a Text.

mj

[Ns RS]

Marty I’ve had great luck with this - can’t recall but i think matt has used Eastwood chassis black on marks previous builds - project looks great mark

[srode1]

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It required a little rework of of the header panel support.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWould be great to see step by step on some of these impressive pieces. Guessing from the TIG filler rod in one picture on this one and watching other mods his preferred technique for pretty much all their work.

[clill]

The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.

[Stielow]

The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.


Buzz kill…


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[fleetus macmullitz]

The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.

Thankfully we’re above average here. :P

[TechNova]

The average guy seeing the car won't notice any of these details.

Exactly the kind of mods I constantly think about and work to add to the car I am working on.

[Stielow]

Would be great to see step by step on some of these impressive pieces. Guessing from the TIG filler rod in one picture on this one and watching other mods his preferred technique for pretty much all their work.


We will try to document some things in greater detail.

Mark


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[Stielow]

Vintage Air has a new under condenser. It is a injecton molded part like a factory part. Vintage Air also make a/c systems for some
Nice factory cars.


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Matt at Sled Alley made a very cool mount for the new unit.


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[Stielow]

We found a nice isolator for the radiator.

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We found a nice isolator for the radiator.

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Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPlease tell us where the isolators come from

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[Stielow]

Please tell us where the isolators come from

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https://www.improvedracing.com/vibration-isolation-rubber-grommet-insert-for-oil-cooler-brackets-4-pack.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5qrQ3tPCgwMV7DStBh0iWA FyEAQYASABEgIaX_D_BwE


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[Stielow]

Please tell us where the isolators come from

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I purchased 5 styles. These seemed like the best ones for my application.

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[Cramer4918]

It's coming along! The attention to detail is amazing!

Thanks for the link to the isolators. I'm ordering some for the radiator in BISKWIK!:woot:

[srode1]

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Matt at Sled Alley made a very cool mount for the new unit.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkmade from scratch or modified one from VA? They could market those I'd guess.

[Stielow]

made from scratch or modified one from VA? They could market those I'd guess.


He modified the VA supplied brackets.


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[Stielow]

Some assembly required….

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Needs a slightly shorter air cleaner.


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[syborg tt]

I am really looking forward to the next set of pictures as I love to see what you guys come up with next.

Inspiring work as always

[F'in mine]

What I learned on the Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 program is the LS7 works better if you keep the oil cool. This Earls oil cooler maybe a tad too big put I had it on the shelf. Im also using an Innovative Eng thermostat to regulate the temp. For a cruiser I chose the 210F thermostat.

You really want to get the oil temp up to 212F to help get the water out of the oil when you are just cruising around.

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Mark, in your earlier post above you mention using a 210 degree thermostat & getting the temp up to 212 to get the moisture out of the oil when cruising around, I pressume you're talking about engine temps and not trans temp?
If that's the case general question regarding engine cooling, could you set the record straight & let some of us know what the fan settings you would recommend using dual fans and a 187 degree thermostat for our street cars using LS engines putting out around 500hp, N/A, wet sump. Thanks in advance.

[Stielow]

Mark, in your earlier post above you mention using a 210 degree thermostat & getting the temp up to 212 to get the moisture out of the oil when cruising around, I pressume you're talking about engine temps and not trans temp?
If that's the case general question regarding engine cooling, could you set the record straight & let some of us know what the fan settings you would recommend using dual fans and a 187 degree thermostat for our street cars using LS engines putting out around 500hp, N/A, wet sump. Thanks in advance.


It is a good idea to get your engine oil temp up to above 212F to get the moisture out of it.

We did a project at work that always had very low oil temp with poor PVC. Water condensation in the engine caused rust on the rods and the valve springs. Since then I always wanted a good PVC system and hope to get the oil temp up for general cruising.

I usually do PWM fans so they ramp in. We usually turn them on at 190 and are full power at 220F. I’ll need to look at an old cal to confirm but that seems close.

I hope that answers your question.

Mark


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[Stielow]

More induction photos

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[Stielow]

Remote coils


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[Panteracer]

This says cool in so many ways:

First the Air Cleaner to give the Old School look
Second putting the coils where the wires go to
a place where a real engine had a dizzy
Finally the brackets made to hold the coil along
with his spacers he used before making the brackets

Wish the Alt and Ps brackets were more old school though

Bob

[Stielow]

This says cool in so many ways:

First the Air Cleaner to give the Old School look
Second putting the coils where the wires go to
a place where a real engine had a dizzy
Finally the brackets made to hold the coil along
with his spacers he used before making the brackets

Wish the Alt and Ps brackets were more old school though

Bob


My lawn mower has V-belts on it. I draw the line on the accessory drive going old school.

Thanks the layout is working good.


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[Stielow]

More detail, someone asked for details…

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[ScotI]

My lawn mower has V-belts on it. I draw the line on the accessory drive going old school.

Thanks the layout is working good.


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I really like the Holley Mid Mount set-ups. Cleanly packaged & tight to the engine w/o the gimicky (IMO) bracketry.

[Stielow]

I really like the Holley Mid Mount set-ups. Cleanly packaged & tight to the engine w/o the gimicky (IMO) bracketry.


Yes I think they have the best set up right now. They use a proper Alternator with a field wire and a good power steering pump.

I wish it was made in the USA but that is the world we live in.


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[Stielow]

Every project needs a dead line. For me for this Camaro it is the Indy 500 weekend. It needs to be done so I can drive it to the track.

There is a Honda engineer that drives this 1968 Mustang “Bullet” clone. I want to park in the paddock next to him.

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I get along well with Honda guys. I don’t know this guy but he is on a Honda team.

Simple goals. Any way we are shooting to have this Camaro on the road by Mid May.


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[WSSix]

Good luck, Mark! Love how it is turning out.

[ScotI]

Yes I think they have the best set up right now. They use a proper Alternator with a field wire and a good power steering pump.

I wish it was made in the USA but that is the world we live in.


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Agreed.

[Stielow]

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Kinda like a distributor.


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[syborg tt]

Once the Air Cleaner is on it will definitely look like a distributor and I am looking forward to seeing it installed.



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Kinda like a distributor.


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[rchaskin]

I have met several "TV Personality" car guys over the years at various shows / Power Tour Events / whatnots, and for the most part, they seem not to interested in talking to the Av Joe.

I was lucky enough to run into Mark at the charlotte airport last week.
I saw a guy that I thought looked like him in passing, then did a double take a few minutes later and the guy had on a corvette racing jacket. I though that has to be him...

I though about going up and talking to him, but I figured he was busy with things to do. I decided just to go up to him and find out.
Man, he is the coolest, most down to earth car guy you could meet. He instantly stood up and shook my hand. I showed him some pics of my junk, inspired by him, and we small talked for a bit, then i had to go board my plane.

Nice to meet you Mark, and I hope see you again!!

[syborg tt]

That is pretty cool.

I have met several "TV Personality" car guys over the years at various shows / Power Tour Events / whatnots, and for the most part, they seem not to interested in talking to the Av Joe.

I was lucky enough to run into Mark at the charlotte airport last week.
I saw a guy that I thought looked like him in passing, then did a double take a few minutes later and the guy had on a corvette racing jacket. I though that has to be him...

I though about going up and talking to him, but I figured he was busy with things to do. I decided just to go up to him and find out.
Man, he is the coolest, most down to earth car guy you could meet. He instantly stood up and shook my hand. I showed him some pics of my junk, inspired by him, and we small talked for a bit, then i had to go board my plane.

Nice to meet you Mark, and I hope see you again!!

[Stielow]

I have met several "TV Personality" car guys over the years at various shows / Power Tour Events / whatnots, and for the most part, they seem not to interested in talking to the Av Joe.

I was lucky enough to run into Mark at the charlotte airport last week.
I saw a guy that I thought looked like him in passing, then did a double take a few minutes later and the guy had on a corvette racing jacket. I though that has to be him...

I though about going up and talking to him, but I figured he was busy with things to do. I decided just to go up to him and find out.
Man, he is the coolest, most down to earth car guy you could meet. He instantly stood up and shook my hand. I showed him some pics of my junk, inspired by him, and we small talked for a bit, then i had to go board my plane.

Nice to meet you Mark, and I hope see you again!!


Very nice to meet you also. Thanks for the kind words, your project looked great.

Maybe we will bump into each other again sometime.

Mark


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[Ns RS]

Good thing you didn’t run into Charley, he’s a real ass….

I have met several "TV Personality" car guys over the years at various shows / Power Tour Events / whatnots, and for the most part, they seem not to interested in talking to the Av Joe.

I was lucky enough to run into Mark at the charlotte airport last week.
I saw a guy that I thought looked like him in passing, then did a double take a few minutes later and the guy had on a corvette racing jacket. I though that has to be him...

I though about going up and talking to him, but I figured he was busy with things to do. I decided just to go up to him and find out.
Man, he is the coolest, most down to earth car guy you could meet. He instantly stood up and shook my hand. I showed him some pics of my junk, inspired by him, and we small talked for a bit, then i had to go board my plane.

Nice to meet you Mark, and I hope see you again!!

[Stielow]

More updates. This is my favorite part of the build. Laying out the engine bay.

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Not stock but a “factory” feel.


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[TechNova]

what's zipped to the A arm shaft in the last picture?

[raustinss]

Coilover canister

[OLDFLM]

Love how the radiator overflow hides the goiter tank!

I'm surprised the battery isn't in the trunk... or is that an empty case?

[andrewb70]

More updates. This is my favorite part of the build. Laying out the engine bay.

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Not stock but a “factory” feel.


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Hi Mark,

Can you please elaborate on the fan? It looks like a 6th Gen Camaro 850 watt fan, but with a custom shroud...More information would be appreciated.

Andrew

[jeff71]

Andrew, I think it’s this.


https://www.dewitts.com/products/1967-1969-camaro-brushless-fan-radiator-combo