2016 SCCA CAM rules

[indydave]

2016 CAM rules in downloadable PDF form

https://www.facebook.com/download/1498575863804447/2016%20CAM%20handout%20-%20Rules%20Final.pdf

[SSLance]

Hopefully everyone likes the changes. There was a lot of discussion internally back and forth on how to handle a few things and I think the SCCA (mainly Raleigh Boreen) got them right.

I know I'm happy to be racing in CAM-T now instead of against showroom fresh Mustangs and Camaros. Corvette guys should be pleased as well to have a place to play.

[craig510]

Are any vehicles older than 1954 allowed in CAM?

[SSLance]

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[craig510]

If I read them correctly you could build a 2350 pound 90 inch wheelbase hot rod (32 ford, model A, etc) with ABS and traction control to give the corvettes a run for the money.

[Chad-1stGen]

One of the local SCCA late model Mustang guys is convinced that opening CAM T up to allow the fox body mustang up to 93 in is going to make them the dominant car. His theory is based on how dirt cheap it is to turn them into a handling powerhouse.

We will see.

[71RS/SS396]

Some of those rules make me scratch my head and wonder why? Lexan windows and no headliner are allowed yet unpainted aluminum door/interior panels are not. :headscratch:

[SSLance]

The Lexan thing surprised me as well, IIRC last year they were only going to let Lexan windshields be legal 1 more year...then they just take the restriction away this year. Same with the headliner, not sure why they allow it to be removed?

I think several of the new interior rules are a direct result of the backlash from the Summit cars being at the Invitational. I'm glad they cleared up the interior panel rules, if it was upholstered originally...it's to be upholstered again, if it was covered by one panel, it's to be covered by one panel again, original dash can be modified, but must be in place. Maybe there are a LOT of cars running that people haven't put headliners back in? I've never really noticed...

I'm actually pretty surprised at the number of now CAM-T cars that are running ABS and will have to disable it to now run in CAM-T. Didn't realize it was that big of an issue until it was made illegal.

[Chad-1stGen]

How does the Lexan and weight work? If you are running CAM T you have to weight a minimum of 3,000 lbs. Does than mean if you run a Lexan windshield you have to weight a minimum of 3,150 lbs? I guess that isn't a big deal for a lot of the heavier cars and is a way for them to get closer to the minimum weight.

[preston]

I don't have any plans to race in CAM but I'm just curious - My car has a complete custom frame/suspension and the sheet metal body has been widened 4". But, full interior and glass.

Would it really be legal to compete in this class ? If so it seems like that is a pretty wide hole to drive through. Which is great but it seems susceptible to the same cost creep that afflicts all of these attempts.

[SSLance]

If I recall correctly, they originally wanted no lexan windshields to be allowed but wanted to give the guys that were already running them some time to get them swapped out, hence the one year deal. Not sure what changed this year?

Is it really a big deal? I mean how many street legal cars are already running lexan windshields?

[GrabberGT]

If I recall correctly, they originally wanted no lexan windshields to be allowed but wanted to give the guys that were already running them some time to get them swapped out, hence the one year deal. Not sure what changed this year?

Is it really a big deal? I mean how many street legal cars are already running lexan windshields?

I like the new rules. No complaints here. I now get to move to CAM-T.

I think the lexan window penalty is sufficient enough to negate the benefits of having one.

From what I have read elsewhere, the headliner rule stems from its removal in order to fit a roll bar.

[71RS/SS396]

The Lexan thing surprised me as well, IIRC last year they were only going to let Lexan windshields be legal 1 more year...then they just take the restriction away this year. Same with the headliner, not sure why they allow it to be removed?

I think several of the new interior rules are a direct result of the backlash from the Summit cars being at the Invitational. I'm glad they cleared up the interior panel rules, if it was upholstered originally...it's to be upholstered again, if it was covered by one panel, it's to be covered by one panel again, original dash can be modified, but must be in place. Maybe there are a LOT of cars running that people haven't put headliners back in? I've never really noticed...

I'm actually pretty surprised at the number of now CAM-T cars that are running ABS and will have to disable it to now run in CAM-T. Didn't realize it was that big of an issue until it was made illegal.

The interior rules are stupid imho, they dictate the style someone has to build their car too. SCCA claims they want to increase their membership by attracting cars from GG, USCA....etc yet they make rules that don't allow a custom dash or uncovered custom interior panels. I knew the stupid rules would come, that's why I didn't get too excited when they announced the class. They just can't get past the "run what ya brung" mindset. This class will either die or will get filled with folks from other classes moving to it, I don't see a huge increase in membership with the path they're choosing with the rules.

[Yelcamino]

This is the one I don't get:

CAM-S (Sports) (all eligible vehicles)
• Sports cars and sedans/coupes with seating for 2 or more adults and pickups.

So if I decide to run my C10 or El Camino, I have to compete with Corvettes and Vipers. :headscratch:

[GrabberGT]

This is the one I don't get:

CAM-S (Sports) (all eligible vehicles)
• Sports cars and sedans/coupes with seating for 2 or more adults and pickups.

So if I decide to run my C10 or El Camino, I have to compete with Corvettes and Vipers. :headscratch:

The same statement is under CAM-C and also applies to CAM-T. The way I read it, the seating requirement does not apply to you. All other rules do.


Sedans/coupes with seating originally for 4 or more adults and pickups.

[Chad-1stGen]

The interior rules are stupid imho, they dictate the style someone has to build their car too. SCCA claims they want to increase their membership by attracting cars from GG, USCA....etc yet they make rules that don't allow a custom dash or uncovered custom interior panels. I knew the stupid rules would come, that's why I didn't get too excited when they announced the class. They just can't get past the "run what ya brung" mindset. This class will either die or will get filled with folks from other classes moving to it, I don't see a huge increase in membership with the path they're choosing with the rules.

While I don't care all that much about the interior rules I do like the attempts to keep it more street car themed. There is already CP for people that want to go crazy. Also, I'm an SCCA member and never would of been if not for the CAM T class. I also now have a whole new appreciation for autocross after attending SCCA courses compared to the GG and other courses aimed at our cars.

[57hemicuda]

I guess my AMX is a no go, due the body panel, and wheelbase changes. Didn't make it smaller, "less then scale", as they imply, made it bigger. I knew a rule book was coming sooner or later. That's why I'm becoming an anarchist, I just can't comply. Anarchy!! Anarchy!! LOL

[Yelcamino]

The same statement is under CAM-C and also applies to CAM-T. The way I read it, the seating requirement does not apply to you. All other rules do.


Sedans/coupes with seating originally for 4 or more adults and pickups.

I saw the "... and pickups" in the Cam-C and Cam-S but not in Cam-T, which is why I brought it up. Maybe it was just an oversight.

[TheJDMan]

I'm a bit mystified by the way these rules are written. They state all CAM cars must be licensed, insured and fully street legal including all safety equipment. Well, either a car is street legal or it is not. It seems pretty obvious to me, if a car is equipped with a lexan windshield, which is not DOT approved safety glass, the car is not street legal. On the other hand, who cares if the interior is stock like or racecar like so long as the car is street legal, licensed and insured.

These rules are full of inconsistencies like this. It is amazing to me how such a simple concept can become so convoluted.

[dontlifttoshift]

but.....A committee didn't write the rules. One person did. I believe he did so with good intentions but a committee would have been helpful here.