Onebad78ta

[ONEBAD78TA]

Here are a few pics before the car was moved to metalworks classics to complete the car,It took a while to get the hack working on it to release the car but at least it's finally out and can get some quality work done.i am expecting the motor from BUTLER PERFORMANCE in a couple weeks and should get some dyno pulls on video so that should be cool,,,,,I don't mean to complain on here but sometimes I need to vent and ask for opinions on time to do some of the fab work because I know when I'm being scammed like the 36 hours he charged to do the work you see on the roll cage,,he said it had nascar side bars and an X brace in the back and it's not there WTF,,,PLUS NOT 1 tube is welded,,I'm sure some of you guys are capable of doing a complete cage install in 36 hours or am I wrong,,,this is where opinions would be appriciated

[streetbird]

clean car, will follow this one

[ONEBAD78TA]

Thanks,,,the nice stuff is comming soon

[omiotek]

nascar door bars? i think not..... His cage does not look all that bad though unless the pictures make it look better then it really is. Does suck to hear he charged you what he did.

Look forward to seeing your build. Glad to see you getting it in the right hands.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Thanks again ,,yea All I had seen was his bill with him saying he did nascar sidebars and an X brace in the rear and as you can see it's not there,,,So I about went through the roof when metalworks posted pics of my car on there sight and I saw that not only did he not do the side bars or X brace but he only tacked the cage and didn't do one weld,,,I paid over 3 thousand dollars for this so I'm pretty upset,,,BUT at least it's in good hands now like you said,,and it should be pretty smooth from now on.

[WSSix]

Whose rear frame rails are those? Maybe it's the angles of the picture but they don't look like they kick up high enough to bring the car down much any more. They actually look like they are lower than the factory frame rails.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Its an Art Morrison Rear clip,yes I have been very worried about that,,,its not at the ride height I told the guy I wanted it at and like you said it doesnt look like it can go lower,,and thats not something I am ok with ,,I told him I wanted about 1" clearance between the lip off the fender and the tire,,not sure what to do at this point.The guy who measured it Ron Pircey at Ron Pircey Enterprises has done all kinds of very messed up things and thats why I was forced to stop him working on the car and had a different comany come and take it,,hopefully the clip doesnt need to be replaced.I was hoping maybe the frame could be notched and move the coilover mount up as much as it can go but I might be worried about the integrity of the frame.

[WSSix]

I would definitely take a step back and get everything measured. It's going to suck to have to redo anything but it will suck worse to redo it later yet.

[ONEBAD78TA]

yea the car is in a good shop now and they are going to go over it and make sure he put it in ok and if it will be able to be lowered to the right stance,,,I am just amazed at the crap Ive had to go through,,, my paint was perfect,and if you look close it even looks like they stole the little firebird emblem out of my horn button.....SOME PEOPLE,,,,And to think I paid this clown 17k

[ONEBAD78TA]

Butler Performance got the Dyno numbers for me and the new engine makes 655hp and 670 torque!!!!!!!!!!!! Will post up the video asap:morepower

[WSSix]

Very nice!

[ONEBAD78TA]

Motor install is underway

[Panteracer]

What are you doing for oil starvation?... special pan?...
I never could get one to work even with trap doors,etc or
so called road race pan.. if you are dry sump then ok
if not I would suggest accusump... even on my MR-1
block with Roland racing heads that drain back better
I could still see pressure drop.. fried many a bearing
on cheaper engines and did not care.. now with a real
motor I worry and still live on the pressure gauge

Bob

[ONEBAD78TA]

Call up Greg at butler he can answer your questions.

[Panteracer]

If all they put on it is the road race pan
they sell I have one and in real hard cornering
it does not work. Just saying

Bob

[ONEBAD78TA]

Things are really comming together now :whenitsdone:

[Fitz78ta]

looking good!

[jeds]

I saw your car in person today. The motor looks awesome sitting in there!
:thumbsup:

[ONEBAD78TA]

Are you in oregon ??? what were you doing at metalworks?? are they building you a car ??

[ONEBAD78TA]

if you are thinking about having them do some work for you,,,I give them an A+,,,awsome bunch of guys,,,

[jeds]

Yup! I'm in Oregon.

I have a 69' Nova they acid striped and are currently installing front to back DSE suspension with some modifications. Who knows what else will end up happening.... :G-Dub:

I agree. The crew is great. The experience so far has been top notch.

[ONEBAD78TA]

I agree 100%,,,your car s/b awsome with that stuff ,,what motor are you gonna run

[jeds]

No motor decision yet...all I know is LS something. I'm pot committed since my new trans tunnel, crossmember, etc.. is all being built around my magnum trans and an LS mockup motor.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Did you get a chance to look at the front suspension on my car,,,how did it look? I wish I didn't live so far away from them so I could look at the progress ,,,but it's obvious they are working away on it

[jeds]

Sorry man. Didn't get a look. I just took a glance at the motor as I was walking by on my way out.

Hard for the eyes to look past that beast.

I'm sure I'll be down there again soon-ish. Soon-ish being over the next month. If you want me to snap any pictures for you of anything just let me know!

[ONEBAD78TA]

Yea that would be great,,,I would really appreciate that,,it will probably have a lot more completed then too...

[YAMATHUMP]

That engine looks like serious fun

[ONEBAD78TA]

thanks alot,,it should be a good grocery getter.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Progress update,,:thumbsup:

[WSSix]

Coming along nicely! Glad to see that working out positively for you.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Thanks,Yea I couldn't be happier,,it will be done before I know it,just need the new 1" drop spindles from global west.so we can get the new 9.5"FIKSES on the front and get the ride height ,,,,then finish the AME 4link mods,and tin work.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Ride height

[ONEBAD78TA]

Rear Ride height,,,the fronts going to be dropped another 1.5"

[Panteracer]

Getting close. Looking good

Bob

[WSSix]

Yeah, I'm envious. I need to bring my rear down to be more like your car. It looks great.

[ONEBAD78TA]

thanks alot.

[ONEBAD78TA]

My builder wants to rebuild the front section of my cage,,they want the bends to follow the widow pillar and lower the side bars,,It's a bummer but I have to agree,,What do you guys think?

[71RS/SS396]

Take a look at the link in my sig(track car build) at how DSE did my side bars. The lower side bar is kicked out and layed into the wire duct in the rocker and also stitched welded to the rocker. It also looks like you need to either lower your seat, raise the halo, or maybe both, your head is above the bar.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Take a look at the link in my sig(track car build) at how DSE did my side bars. The lower side bar is kicked out and layed into the wire duct in the rocker and also stitched welded to the rocker. It also looks like you need to either lower your seat, raise the halo, or maybe both, your head is above the bar.

That's not me in the car that's the fabricator,,they sent me pictures after they called to show me how it looked,,HE Is taller than.me ,yea I like your cage and the way the tubes align nicely with the lines of the window pillar and the rocker lines ,,,that's how mine should be and that is what the builder wants to do,,I don't want people comming to look at my car and say wow nice BUT ,,,why is the bend in the pillar bars not bent so it follows the lines of the body..we just think it looks bad.by the way I love your camaro,,NICE

[captainofiron]

that stance looks really great

[chichirone]

My builder wants to rebuild the front section of my cage,,they want the bends to follow the widow pillar and lower the side bars,,It's a bummer but I have to agree,,What do you guys think?

I agree with Tim and your comments above. Lower the side bars and modify the window pillar bars to follow the same line of the a-pillar. I'm enjoying following your build. Keep it up.

[Build-It-Break-it]

Great progress. Are they going through the dash with the cage or just following the dash contour? I'd put it through the dash if its going ttii be done again anyways.

[ONEBAD78TA]

its just going to follow the dash contour,,I dont really want to have the dash pulled out.

[ONEBAD78TA]

that stance looks really great

Thanks,I appreciate it.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Tin work update.

[Fitz78ta]

Looking good!!!! I like the sheet metal work

[ONEBAD78TA]

Things are really comming together now,,the cage has been cut out and. The front rebuilt,just wishing I didn't have to pay twice for all this stuff:G-Dub:

[ONEBAD78TA]

Radiator in and new side bars.

[ONEBAD78TA]

I agree with Tim and your comments above. Lower the side bars and modify the window pillar bars to follow the same line of the a-pillar. I'm enjoying following your build. Keep it up.

Here is the rebuilt side bars they even added a bar across the front,,,,it looks way better than the other sidebars

[Panteracer]

Whose radiator did you end up with
Mine is not doing the trick under any load
I have the 494" Pontiac

Bob

[ONEBAD78TA]

Whose radiator did you end up with
Mine is not doing the trick under any load
I have the 494" Pontiac

Bob
I went with a Griffin,with 2,14" fans,,,don't know for sure how it will work yet but I'm betting it will work fine.

[ONEBAD78TA]

More progress

[ONEBAD78TA]

Here is a couple pics

[Panteracer]

Thanks for the info on the rad
Really like the down bars on the cage

Bob

[ONEBAD78TA]

Thanks for the info on the rad
Really like the down bars on the cage

Bob

Here is the summit,,, p/n for the radiator,,,GRI-CU-70010...like I said ,,I can't for sure say how it will work but it's a 2row with 1.250 tubes,so it should work well.

[WSSix]

coming along nicely!

[Blackened]

After looking at your pics, I'll say one thing, you sure do have an appropriate forum name.

[ONEBAD78TA]

After looking at your pics, I'll say one thing, you sure do have an appropriate forum name.

thanks alot.

[Panteracer]

Bought the griffin radiator but no auto trans
cooler and 16" fans. Thanks for the info. Will
let you know how it works

How long before you fire her up. Must be
close now

Bob

[ONEBAD78TA]

Bought the griffin radiator but no auto trans
cooler and 16" fans. Thanks for the info. Will
let you know how it works

How long before you fire her up. Must be
close now

Bob

Should have it running in a week or two ,,there getting the brakes on it,exhaust,interior ,,then paint.

[Panteracer]

Just wondering if you ever fired
up your car yet. How does that
Butler motor sound?

Bob

[ONEBAD78TA]

Just wondering if you ever fired
up your car yet. How does that
Butler motor sound?

Bob

Not yet,they have the rear wilwood brakes on it and are waiting for the global west 1" drop spindles,,but it will probably be fired up this week.

[WSSix]

That's good to hear! Hope you make that goal and hear the engine running this coming week. Good luck!

[ONEBAD78TA]

Front brakes on.

[Blackened]

Any pics of those Global West drop spindles?

[ONEBAD78TA]

Ended up not using them,,they were taking too long.dropped it with the coilovers and put baer tie rod trackers on it to avoid bump steer.

[ONEBAD78TA]

It's alive.And almost done,,,interior and paint is all that's left ,,,current videos and pics can be seen on the following companies Facebook pages,,,METALWORKS CLASSICS,FIKSE WHEELS,WILWOOD BRAKES,,BUTLER PERFORMANCE PONTIAC.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Videos on Facebook pages for BUTLER PERFORMANCE,FIKSE WHEELS,WILWOOD BRAKES,METALWORKS CLASSICS.

[WSSix]

Congrats! The car looks great. Be sure to post some outside shots so we can enjoy the stance more.

[ONEBAD78TA]

:trophy-1302: ,,, I will definatly be taking the prize at all local shows,,and will gladly accept any performance competitions...yep feeling pretty confident:thumbsup:

[ONEBAD78TA]

you feeling lucky lennie:G-Dub:

[WSSix]

Awesome! Same color or is it a secrete?

[ONEBAD78TA]

Awesome! Same color or is it a secrete?

yep same color ,,,Im gonna fly down there and drive it around a little,,they tell me its just crazy fast,,and the brakes are awsome.it should handle/stick good with the 10.5" front and 13" rear rubber.The only issue is that traction will be a problem with a quik launch.

[WSSix]

Have fun with it! Glad you're staying stock color. It's a great looking blue for these cars.

[ONEBAD78TA]

Oh what fun it is.

[ONEBAD78TA]

670ft pounds torque

[ONEBAD78TA]

Full cage

[ONEBAD78TA]

13 rear 14 front

[transam]

Awesome! And ur just down the road from me, I'm in Vancouver bc

[WSSix]

Congrats! How does it drive? The car looks great.

[Firebirdsteve]

Very nice!!!