Better Grow a Mullet!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Gee, really? :headscratch: That's how it should be done, eh?

:)

just sayin :slingshot: haaa haaa

since you got the quarter on there wrong. :innocent:

[grendel]

just sayin :slingshot: haaa haaa

since you got the quarter on there wrong. :innocent:

Yah, yah, it will be done the right way, the way it should've been done last time. :)

*Gasp* we'll even brace it before taking the structural members apart.

[grendel]

How about with something like these?

375/20ZR21 Pirelli P Zero NERO - for the the rear (although thinking about the front too. The other one's currently flying around the country with UPS.

295/30ZR20 Pirelli P Zero XL - for the front.


They will go on the Forgelines... for this car or the Z07... or both.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

daaaaayummmmmmmmmm :hairpullout:


As soon as you get the wheels back from the coaters I have to get the specs to Mark Schetter please. http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/member.php4?u=18817

[grendel]

Wayne PM'd me today about this build.

It's progressing... Carefully measuring everything, badly installed stuff being cut off, stuff off the powder coating... stuff on pallets on the way to me... like Carbon fiber goodness.

Now if anvil would call me back, I'd get the inner and outer fenders going.

The pallet pic is the hood, trunk lid and filler panel. Rear spoiler's on it's way, too.

Thanks Ron and Marty! :)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

hold on....you know what you need?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1973-Firebird-Rear-Quarter-Panel-Skin-Pair-LH-Left-Hand-RH-Right-Hand-New-/390377878353


they have a bigger bulge....

[grendel]

hold on....you know what you need?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1973-Firebird-Rear-Quarter-Panel-Skin-Pair-LH-Left-Hand-RH-Right-Hand-New-/390377878353


they have a bigger bulge....

How much, do you know?

[GregWeld]

I'm confused --- which car of yours did Scott Mock AKA Coolwelder62 completely screw up??? I read with extreme disappointment -- your post -- with pics included ... about the piss poor work done on your car. I've not seen such poor welding in a long time except from some complete newbs. WOW. I'd grind 'em all out and start over.

[GregWeld]

Ah never mind -- -- I scrolled back and saw and read the posts. Should have done that before my other post. But on the other hand - it (the post) bump TTT (refreshes) the "don't go there!!".

[grendel]

I'm confused --- which car of yours did Scott Mock AKA Coolwelder62 completely screw up??? I read with extreme disappointment -- your post -- with pics included ... about the piss poor work done on your car. I've not seen such poor welding in a long time except from some complete newbs. WOW. I'd grind 'em all out and start over.

It's the passenger quarter on this car in this thread. As far as I can tell, he didn't brace anything when he cut the car apart. It looks like the roof slipped down and instead of pushing the roof back, he cut the lip off the outer wheel tub and boogered/burned through it on the lower corners, but no welds any where else. The funny thing, he sent me pictures of something else... once I knew to look there (it's not the focus of the shot), I could see this work in that pic by blowing it up. I didn't see it at the time, so no view of work until I could actually pull the IRS down and see what happened. Those pics were sent in Dec... I picked the car up months later.

I will brace it and cut it out, as soon as an event happens. As I said, it's the quarter and a bunch of small things, that can all be corrected, but should not have to be for the money/time spent. The funny thing is, the driver's side quarter is perfect so I know he knows how it needed to be done right.

There are other things, I think - Like doing the quarters before the IRS. I would've installed the IRS first, considering that either the IRS needed to be narrowed (correctly) or it needed to be wide bodied via the quarters/wheel tubs he installed. All four Ride Tech coils are destroyed by rubbing on control arms and sway bars he installed. Rims he specified hit the shocks he installed.

When I sent him the DSE adjustable links, he contacted DSE who told him he could narrow it 1.25" a side by turning the link all the way in. That is also what they told me and why I sent them. He turned an additional .75" off the links, which according to his friends at DSE is dangerous. I thought he knew what he was doing (a professional) so I gave the go ahead to narrowing. He didn't tell me what DSE said, as the "Professional" I would have called my customer and said the manufacturer doesn't support what you want me to do, you sure you want me to do this? Instead, I came back to cut parts and full liability, with him telling me I said it was ok. I accept that, as I wasn't clear. Still cost another $2400.00. So we're back out with all new manufacturer blessed parts... bought new GM upper control arms to replace the cut and welded upper he did and all new DSE links.

As he said, it will all "take some tuning", but this car was supposed to be ready for paint and racing this season. As his son said to me on Facebook, this is hot rodding. Funny thing, I don't call 25K in parts and labor hot rodding... Always thought that an installation was supposed to work within the system it was installed in. Like the quarters or the IRS.

1 step forward, 6 steps back.

So far, he's radio silent (on all the forums we're both on) and kept the $1K due to me for the motor/trans/sub frame he told me he sold.

Anyhow, other than a certain event, this is all behind me. It will get done right. I wanted to jettison the project, but my kids like it too much. I am happy to answer any questions, but I am not thinking about how/why he did what he did, just that I need to fix it and build an awesome racer.

[grendel]

Ah never mind -- -- I scrolled back and saw and read the posts. Should have done that before my other post. But on the other hand - it (the post) bump TTT (refreshes) the "don't go there!!".

Sorry, I missed this while typing my wall of text.

Back to the build:

Anyone know how much the TA quarters bubble out?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sorry, I missed this while typing my wall of text.

Back to the build:

Anyone know how much the TA quarters bubble out?

i'll get you a picture after lunch. not only does it bulge out it has a nice roll at the top to blend in with the camaro quarter.

[grendel]

i'll get you a picture after lunch. not only does it bulge out it has a nice roll at the top to blend in with the camaro quarter.

and I can probably use factory flares to get better tire coverage.

I have to admit, I like this:

http://image.hotrod.com/f/18879307+w660+h495+cr1/0908phr_63_z+109_reader_projects+1973_firebird.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sorry, I missed this while typing my wall of text.

Back to the build:

Anyone know how much the TA quarters bubble out?

The quarter lip is actually the same as far as distance from the peak, the opening is also higher. But the bulge above the wheel arch is bigger.

[grendel]

The quarter lip is actually the same as far as distance from the peak, the opening is also higher. But the bulge above the wheel arch is bigger.

Sounds like not a lot of gain, if I understand you correctly?

Edit to add: Maybe some measurements I could compare to mine, please?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sounds like not a lot of gain, if I understand you correctly?

It can be depending on how you go about it. You can add up to 2" of extra room with placement.

[grendel]

It can be depending on how you go about it. You can add up to 2" of extra room with placement.

I edited my post, Vince. Can you pull some measurements on the 2" from some common point, like the body crease?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I edited my post, Vince. Can you pull some measurements on the 2" from some common point, like the body crease?

sorry, I got super busy after lunch and no way im going in tomorrow. my wife at me :snapout: :lol:

I have a FB partial quarter, i'll mock it up to give you an idea.


Vince

[grendel]

sorry, I got super busy after lunch and no way im going in tomorrow. my wife at me :snapout: :lol:

I have a FB partial quarter, i'll mock it up to give you an idea.


Vince

No need to be sorry, you're doing me the favor :).

And I am not doing anything work related on Mother's Day, either. My wife will skin me alive.

Thanks, the pics will help quite a bit.

[grendel]

Can anyone guess the weight savings of Anvil carbon fiber fenders, inner fenders, hood, trunk, trunk filler panel and 1 piece rear spoiler?

Also looking at a carbon fiber nose and full bumpers.

[bsharpe]

I edited my post, Vince. Can you pull some measurements on the 2" from some common point, like the body crease?

My Firebird/ Trans am is 74" wide from the outside of the flares in the center of the wheel opening. I have stock dented quarter panels but I stretched the flares 1" on each side.

I posted pictures on my build thread.http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=48439&page=2

You could easily do something similar and modify the trans am flares to fit the Camaro if that is the look you want.

[grendel]

My Firebird/ Trans am is 74" wide from the outside of the flares in the center of the wheel opening. I have stock dented quarter panels but I stretched the flares 1" on each side.

I posted pictures on my build thread.http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=48439&page=2

You could easily do something similar and modify the trans am flares to fit the Camaro if that is the look you want.

Thanks man.

I think we're doing this:

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/camp-1005-1970-chevy-camaro/

Just have to get the time. Have a few other projects going, like finishing up the Black GMC 1500 and a Cummins K5 then I can focus on this.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanks man.

I think we're doing this:

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/camp-1005-1970-chevy-camaro/

Just have to get the time. Have a few other projects going, like finishing up the Black GMC 1500 and a Cummins K5 then I can focus on this.

I like that build but the wheels are too far inside for my taste. I like them out as far as possible.

[grendel]

I like that build but the wheels are too far inside for my taste. I like them out as far as possible.

Well, you know I can adjust the rears ... out :)

The front's getting Anvil fenders. They're on the way.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Well, you know I can adjust the rears ... out :)

The front's getting Anvil fenders. They're on the way.

nice!! :clap:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

so.....what does the car look like today?

[grendel]

so.....what does the car look like today?

The same. Waiting for a event, than cutting it apart.

[RLJ676]

Wow what a build, sucks about the setbacks. Can't wait to see it done though! I'm partial to second gens myself...

Have you already ordered the Anvil stuff? Seems it's highly unpredictable on when it will show up. Waiting on a hood/spoiler myself, no idea when it will come. Not sure if it helps that I went through classic w/ a 25% off sale haha.

[Scott Haggai]

cant wait to see this build done!

[grendel]

Wow what a build, sucks about the setbacks. Can't wait to see it done though! I'm partial to second gens myself...

Have you already ordered the Anvil stuff? Seems it's highly unpredictable on when it will show up. Waiting on a hood/spoiler myself, no idea when it will come. Not sure if it helps that I went through classic w/ a 25% off sale haha.

Yes, I have all the Anvil stuff in house already. I bought some stuff through a vendor that stocked a bit and made sure I ordered all the stuff that was already in house.

Otherwise, it takes a while to make them and ship them here. They do great quality control, so some of the delay is them not shipping you the one crappy hood in the style you ordered they got from overseas.

[grendel]

cant wait to see this build done!

You and me both, Scott. If things went differently, I'd already be racing this.

But it will happen. Talking to a few shops about doing it. So far, I like Vince at Mean Streets :)

[RLJ676]

Yes, I have all the Anvil stuff in house already. I bought some stuff through a vendor that stocked a bit and made sure I ordered all the stuff that was already in house.

Otherwise, it takes a while to make them and ship them here. They do great quality control, so some of the delay is them not shipping you the one crappy hood in the style you ordered they got from overseas.

Yep, that's what I understood the process to be. Just didn't want you to sit out for months more waiting on something if you weren't expecting it. Sounds like you have about all of their stuff, are you painting it or running it as CF?

Mind saying the vendor that might have things in stock for future reference haha?

[grendel]

Yep, that's what I understood the process to be. Just didn't want you to sit out for months more waiting on something if you weren't expecting it. Sounds like you have about all of their stuff, are you painting it or running it as CF?

Mind saying the vendor that might have things in stock for future reference haha?

I am doing some exposed carbon and most painted.

I don't think they're a vendor anymore.

[grendel]

We did make adjustable upper rear IRS arms. I figured since we had all the DSE lowers and we could suck the suspension in or out, that all links needed to move to create the perfect track alignment.

So, in comes my friend "Bullet" to make arms that should have been done in the first place. That is some sweet TIG, too.

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Cool! Anxious to see how this plays out... :popcorn2:

[grendel]

Some weight savings in the arms, too. Dropping about 100lbs.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

well that works!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Any updates?? :stirthepot: :superhack: :gitrdun:

[grendel]

Any updates?? :stirthepot: :superhack: :gitrdun:

Yer hilarious.

Vince knows that this thing's been sitting on a frame table, basically gutted. I got sick of it taking up valuable space and not making any progress.





So I cut it up.




It's in the dumpster.





I keed, I keed.

I cut the quarter off and stretched it 2". I ordered new quarters, wheel tubs and DSE mini tubs and I am building new inners.

Tobin at Kore also designed radial brackets to put a set of Baer 6P calipers on the Camaro IRS with Camaro hubs, rotors and knuckles

[grendel]

I bet someone wants pics?

[waynieZ]

Sorry you had to cut it up so far. The arms looks like he's doing a nice job on them. The adjustability is going to be helpful with tuning it in. That's going to be a nice brake set up.

Oh and I like pictures too.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Quote: Well?.....

haaa haaa oh man, you are in for it!!!! :catfight: haaaa looking good. not what I would have done but its ok. :lol: j/k

i wanna see a wheel in there JJ!

[Ben@SpeedTech]

I like where this is headed- Subtle and functional. :secret:

[grendel]

If anyone's interested, I am having upper front control arms made to clear the coils on the coil over.

I talked with a bunch of folks, suspension rub at any stage of the game is bad ju-ju.

[RLJ676]

Yes, I have all the Anvil stuff in house already. I bought some stuff through a vendor that stocked a bit and made sure I ordered all the stuff that was already in house.

Otherwise, it takes a while to make them and ship them here. They do great quality control, so some of the delay is them not shipping you the one crappy hood in the style you ordered they got from overseas.

Right now I'm really feeling that delay, a month after ordering I was told by Classic another 90 days... just in time for fall lol.

Car's looking awesome, really liking the stretch...

[grendel]

So, forward progress requires a few steps back. We braced the car, cut the quarter off and pushed the roof back up where it belongs. No more 1/2" drop. The quarter will be fitted with a trunk, filler plate and rear glass in place, so it all fits.

50+ hours into the shell so far. The other side is 2" wider and finished with metal work. We pulled the rocker out and I formed a buck for carbon fiber flares.

Installing the new DSE wheel tub was easy. It was barely welded on.

[waynieZ]

Glad to hear your making progress. Looking forward to seeing the rear quarter panel stretch when its done.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

good you catched all of that. doing it right :thumbsup:

Im glad you guys are digging into it. Lets see the rockers. :welder:

[grendel]

Lets see the rockers. :welder:

No! :relax:

[woody80z28]

Just read through this whole thread when I should be out working! Very cool build. Way past the scope of what I can do, but inspiration nonetheless. haha

Sucks redoing work...but I'm glad it's back on track. I'm actually redoing some hack jobs on car...some from the previous owner and some from myself when I was 19 years old. (My shifter and ebrake setup being one of them) haha

It's funny, I thought I stole the idea from LS1tech, but also found an install here. Stealing the pic from Woody - This is what it should look like: http://www.motortopia.com/files/141/album_paintjob/531cc28c8b88a/IMG_9022.jpgIn this pic after the Lizard Skin you can see the box I made to close out the shifter and serve as one of the 4th-gen console mounts. You can barely see the hole in the tunnel for the ebrake cable pass through too.
http://www.motortopia.com/files/141/album_paintjob/553d2f16e5c49/IMG_9991.jpg

He also installed the DSE firewall panel and the DSE wiper motor over under the driver's side fender. The firewall should get cleaner, with random holes getting filled in, etc.I'm glad to see that DSE setup fits under the fender too. I did the same relocation when I smoothed my firewall but took the cheap stock wiper route for now. That DSE would be a nice upgrade as the budget allows.
http://www.motortopia.com/files/141/album_paintjob/5533b090aa160/IMG_9915.jpg

[grendel]

Anyone want this project for cheap?

I am starting to hate it, as it's 3 steps back to one forward.

I've lost that loving feeling.

I was supposed to race this, this year. Instead, the 2015 Z06 and my Black GMC went.

I'll take PM's before I post it up.

[Build-It-Break-it]

I pm'd you JJ. But I think you shouldn't give up. Don't let the car defeat you. Take a step back and put it aside. There's really no deadlines to meet besides the ones in your own mind. Things will fall into place if you allow them to.

[grendel]

I pm'd you JJ. But I think you shouldn't give up. Don't let the car defeat you. Take a step back and put it aside. There's really no deadlines to meet besides the ones in your own mind. Things will fall into place if you allow them to.

I am not defeated. I can build the car. I just don't want to.

Most gear heads emotionally invest in their cars. I am negatively invested.

Instead of working on this, or paying someone to work on this, I'd rather drive/race my black GMC or the Z06 Vette.

[waynieZ]

Sorry to hear this JJ, its a sweet project.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

sometimes a bad experience can ruin the feel for a car. I don't blame you at all.

[grendel]

sometimes a bad experience can ruin the feel for a car. I don't blame you at all.

That is it. If I finish this, it would be called black betrayal. There is no good feeling in it left.

[syborg tt]

Wow I'm shocked.

Give me a call tomorrow


Marty-mj
www.garagescene.net www.syborgtwinturbo.com www.2ndcamaro.com

[grendel]

Wow I'm shocked.

Give me a call tomorrow


Marty-mj
www.garagescene.net www.syborgtwinturbo.com www.2ndcamaro.com


Sure, PM or email your number.

[grendel]

Since this project got borked, it's been sitting in my head.

All that said, I've been told by several buyers that it's value is compromised due to some of the issues that happened during the build. Those have been corrected, but perception is key in high dollar cars.

So I decided to roll it into the corner of the shop. I'll leave the for sale thread going.

I finished a 70 Trans Am that's really fun to drive, bought a race car stacker and now building a 1958 Diamond T semi with a big sleeper to pull it. Have a 475HP Catepillar big block and a 13 speed Road Ranger on Peterbuilt low air leaf suspension.

When the snow flies here, I will probably get back on this.

[waynieZ]

You need to post pictures of the new rig, and Trans Am.

[grendel]

You need to post pictures of the new rig, and Trans Am.

I am not sure this is the place for the new rig pics :).

I may do a build thread on the TA, but it's not special. DSE stuff (should have gone that way with this), 9", LSA and 6L80E.

[bsharpe]

I am not sure this is the place for the new rig pics :).

I may do a build thread on the TA, but it's not special. DSE stuff (should have gone that way with this), 9", LSA and 6L80E.

Please start a thread on your TA or at least post some pictures. It sounds like a great car.

[waynieZ]

Should be a fun car.

[Che70velle]

I am not sure this is the place for the new rig pics :).

I may do a build thread on the TA, but it's not special. DSE stuff (should have gone that way with this), 9", LSA and 6L80E.

Double J, it would be terrible to see a build thread for your 70' T/A, with an LSA. You don't skimp on anything, and all those high dollar parts would make a really bad build up....

Being sarcastic here...:lol:

[grendel]

hmn, this almost makes me keep going.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

hmn, this almost makes me keep going.

:confused59: not gonna say what it does for me. :peepwall:

[waynieZ]

The rendering looks sweet! I hope you start feeling it again its an awesome build.

[grendel]

:confused59: not gonna say what it does for me. :peepwall:

Bah.

Yah, the mirrors will be closer to the doors. :military:

[SRD Art]

hmn, this almost makes me keep going.

That's the idea. :thumbsup:

[grendel]

That's the idea. :thumbsup:

Yeah, it's not really working though. I have other projects.

[pro66tour]

Please start a thread on your TA or at least post some pictures. It sounds like a great car.

I second that...:y0!:

[grendel]

Once we've raced and shown a bit, we'll do a build thread.

[grendel]

So, this has been sitting in a corner for most of the year. I've decided to forgive and forget, it's not the way I want to be.

While I work on my Diamond T project, I can putz around on this. Here and there.

This is the tow rig. 1958 Diamond T on a late model suspension, custom frame rails, with a 13.5" custom built aluminum sleeper and a 650hp/1800 ft lb torque Cat I6.

Parts are all there...

It will tow the 4 car stacker and anything else I want, with all the kids in comfort and style.

[Che70velle]

Where's the slide out...it must have a slide out!
Just kidding! That's VERY cool!

[waynieZ]

That puppy looks like it will tow anything you need it to.

[syborg tt]

Glad your coming back to it


Marty-MJ
www.garagescene.net

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Now that's a cool project! What a tow rig!

[augustiron]

Grendel
Sorry for the headaches on the build. I just read the whole thing from front to back for the first time and as I was looking at some of the pictures I was having a feeling of "the emperor wears no clothes" as I was seeing weird stuff and nobody back in 2014 was pointing it out.
Best wishes seeing this through. You have a tougher stomach than I.


(edited post as I looked closer at picture in question, while I still think the upper coilover mount is odd, it seems to be welded to the firewall brace for additional support)

[4*4]

Please keep this going! You've came too far to give up now!
Love the tow rig too!
Cheers!

[grendel]

More on the tow rig. We're finishing up the sleeper (all 1/8" aluminum) along with assorted body work and moving onto the mechanical work, the 650hp Cat 3406B is already installed.

Since it's snowing, I got around to this again... Pulled it out of the corner from where it's been sitting since we installed two new quarters and cut one to fit the IRS.

More to come, as my soon to be 18 year old daughter pushes me to finish this.

[grendel]

"this" in my previous post means the Camaro.

Spent a fair bit of time noodling on it, reducing drama along with my wife trying to make me a better Christian.

[DBasher]

"this" in my previous post means the Camaro.

Spent a fair bit of time noodling on it, reducing drama along with my wife trying to make me a better Christian.

:thumbsup:

Glad to hear you still have it and are moving forward, it's going to be wicked!

[waynieZ]

:thumbsup:

Glad to hear you still have it and are moving forward, it's going to be wicked!

Agreed!

[DBasher]

Love the big rig JJ, looks like it'll be just the ticket for hauling the family and rigs. One of my favorite Bonneville racers was Carl Heap with his 1943 International...something about seeing something that big go that fast had me hooked.

Big ole Detroit with 4 turbos and a couple superchargers got him a red hat and in the books at 272mph.
:thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

"this" in my previous post means the Camaro.

Spent a fair bit of time noodling on it, reducing drama along with my wife trying to make me a better Christian.

this is good!

[grendel]

Love the big rig JJ, looks like it'll be just the ticket for hauling the family and rigs. One of my favorite Bonneville racers was Carl Heap with his 1943 International...something about seeing something that big go that fast had me hooked.

Big ole Detroit with 4 turbos and a couple superchargers got him a red hat and in the books at 272mph.
:thumbsup:

That is awesome... not sure we'll be going that fast with the Cat and a set of three turbos though :)

[grendel]

Took a break on the Diamond T for a bit.

Pulled this out of the corner to assess is, decided to start cleaning up the firewall and look what happened. 8 hours later, I have mud on it, primer inside and out, first run sanded and started cleaning up the driver's side wheel tubs. The flare needs more grinding and shaping.

May even get to cutting the passenger side.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

yes!!!!! :headspin:

[Che70velle]

It's about time, double J!
Keep at it!

[grendel]

Yeah, it felt good to work on it. I got the passenger side NOS quarter welded on. I should be able to get it cut next week.

Have the carbon fiber rockers back, need to cut and fit those too.

[waynieZ]

Nice to see you back at it! firewall looks good.

[grendel]

I got a little more time today, so I started the wide body on the passenger side, since it got welded in last week.

Obviously, I have a lot of grinding to do.

[Build-It-Break-it]

Wow very cool to see you still at it. Maybe I missed it but how much room are you gaining with the wide body? Its looking good! !

[grendel]

Wow very cool to see you still at it. Maybe I missed it but how much room are you gaining with the wide body? Its looking good! !

2" per side.

[grendel]

We started to assembly on the rear cradle.

Narrowing it, 2" total, with normal, off the shelf DSE parts, Camaro hubs and rotors. The DSE sway bar fits and doesn't hit the rear shocks, with the upper mounts moved inboard.

The DSE stuff can suck in a total of 1.66" on each side, without mods. I figured .66" is enough adjustment with the custom uppers we built.

That's all new, uncut DSE links and my custom upper arms that use all poly bushings of the same durometer. Should avoid the "multi-link walkabout" people talk about.

We're assembling it with a regular rear diff, while I finish building the 9" and shafts for the Camaro hubs.

[grendel]

While I finish up the grinding with lots of black boogers, my friend Giffin is assembling the chassis.

The rear is mostly done.

[waynieZ]

That's great news JJ, glad its moving forward now.

[sokoloka]

Enjoying watching the progress on this here and the <T> on Pirate.
Glad to see both builds churning along.

[grendel]

Enjoying watching the progress on this here and the <T> on Pirate.
Glad to see both builds churning along.

Thanks man. I have a few :) builds/projects

It's <Jim> and <T> BTW... although I am done with <T>.

[dhanks]

Good to see it coming together.

[grendel]

Got a door on, so I can set gaps with the quarter and soon to be carbon fiber fender.

Funny, with the quarter in the right place, I don't have to grind door hinges... I didn't grind these, but based on fresh metal, someone did..

Also, won't show 'em yet, but I think the carbon fiber rockers will look amazing.

I do have Ring Bros billet hinges for these, now that the doors fit in a factory location.

That's a new door skin, BTW. It's been reinforced for the smaller fiberglass mirrors that will be shaped and fit to clear the wide body on this car.

[waynieZ]

Its' coming together, and looking good.

[jydracing]

Was looking at your build thread. As for the body, I doesn't look like you changed much, added some Bondo to the firewall to smooth it up, split the rear fenders/quarters so as to make them flair more.... "why did you not put the spacer metal under the quarter panel instead of on top"???? Will you not have to build up the body putty to cover the hump of the metal???? Would it of not been easier to fill a gap, by welding the metal under the cut fender, than to building up putty up over the filler metal on the outside of the quarter??? Your rear cradle looks nice, but it looks exactly the same as when it left the shop in Baldwin, Kansas. The DSE parts look exactly the same also???? What did you change about them???? New ones or are they the same ones???? They also look the same as what left Baldwin, Kansas!!! Your build is coming along nicely!!!! Are you doing it a Blue Ribbon Restoration??? I do not see any high priced Lamborghini's, Porsche's, or Ferrari's, in any of the pictures???? Maybe at another garage????

[grendel]

Was looking at your build thread. As for the body, I doesn't look like you changed much, added some Bondo to the firewall to smooth it up, split the rear fenders/quarters so as to make them flair more.... "why did you not put the spacer metal under the quarter panel instead of on top"???? Will you not have to build up the body putty to cover the hump of the metal???? Would it of not been easier to fill a gap, by welding the metal under the cut fender, than to building up putty up over the filler metal on the outside of the quarter??? Your rear cradle looks nice, but it looks exactly the same as when it left the shop in Baldwin, Kansas. The DSE parts look exactly the same also???? What did you change about them???? New ones or are they the same ones???? They also look the same as what left Baldwin, Kansas!!! Your build is coming along nicely!!!! Are you doing it a Blue Ribbon Restoration??? I do not see any high priced Lamborghini's, Porsche's, or Ferrari's, in any of the pictures???? Maybe at another garage????


You couldn't let sleeping dogs sleep, eh?

I will answer your questions.

I guess you didn't see the other pics? Where I cut off both quarters, re-did the wheel tubs that weren't welded on as it would not pass a NH safety inspection the way I got it from Baldwin, KS?

That the body is now 2" wider through the quarters to actually fit the IRS and rims/tires spec'd out. The spacer metal follows the natural lines of the car and provides a lot of metal to shape the way I want to. I plan to keep the filler to a minimum. Easier to take metal off the top and shape it the lines I want.

Like here: http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=611016&postcount=296

I had to replace the wheel tub (He cut off the outer mounting flange) and its now welded to the quarter, unlike this:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=53881&stc=1&d=1429392642

To remove this:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=53886&stc=1&d=1429392642

I even matched both quarters to the trunk panels. Good gaps at the doors and trunk lid that I didn't have before.

Want the email where he sent pics that match up to those cut lines but didn't show the other welds?

Want more pics of how it left Baldwin, KS? I know you're friends with Chubby, but you really won't help your friend by attacking me. I have all his pics and his email, including where "I will hang on to the money and airfilter until you deside to not post any of this."

Yep, I posted it and yep, he kept money he did not earn.

Yep, the firewall was done right, so it got mud and sand work.

Why would I take pics of customer cars for my build thread? This build is happening in the back ground of several shops. I now own two and contract with two others.

The cradle itself is the same, the body has been modified to reinforce the cradle. A tube welded through sheet metal does not make a solid rear IRS mount, certainly does not handle the forces that can be applied to it when racing. The cage was reinforced through the back wall, where he cut for the wheel tubs, we also added a tab and gussets to grab the top of the bolt. We did fit a 9" to it, but want to use a stock diff to keep costs down. This car won't need 9" strength. It also kept Camaro hubs, instead of the Corvette ones he sold me. The Camaro axle shafts even fit. We're also installed the DSE sway bar he said wouldn't fit and guess what, it doesn't hit the coil overs the way he mounted them. We do have to modify the coil over mounts he welded in to fit rims and tires spec'd out.

DSE parts look the same, eh? Here's a pic of the DSE parts he modified. This got all new DSE arms and custom uppers. Pay attention to the cuts at the hex. There is more than 1" of thread engagement missing on some links. Do you want to buy the DSE left overs?

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=57709&stc=1&d=1458226965

and then look at this pic:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=57618&stc=1&d=1457295839

I'll post up a side by side pic soon, but I am not taking this apart again.

Or hey, how about the front upper arms that hit the coil overs? Here's a pic of that... it needs a new upper mount or a shorter shock or a different upper control arm. We went with new arms and mounts. Even with the proper alignment (note the shim behind the stock upper control arm). Several others have needed similar mods. I even have pics he sent showing contact, if you know to look for it.

Want to keep at this? I am glad you're a good friend to Chubby. Good friends are worth having around. Good friends also know when they're not helping their friends. Per court documents, this was supposed to be dead.

Back to build shortly.

[grendel]

Here's a Scott Mock cut lower link vs the DSE as-manufactured.

DSE in no way shape or form suggested cutting or running cut links with less than specified thread engagement. Happy to send the email conversations if you like. DSE says you can narrow them up, by spinning the links in, not cutting them...

The mounting points of the rear suspension were full FEA engineered, unlike before.

I am done with Scott, it's about my build now. My 18yo daughter wants to race this along side me in my other car(s), so it's received a saving grace. It will be safe, it will be right. It wasn't when I got it from Baldwin.

If Scott wants to talk, we have the feedback thread... If you don't have constructive criticism or positive feedback, stay out.

[Che70velle]

DoubleJ, the build is moving forward with excellence! Keep at it, and your daughter will be racing the car before you know it!

[grendel]

More work on the body ( I have black boogers from grinding) and Giff is working away on the sub frames. Giff is my pit boss who's been hustling to work out bugs in the IRS and front sub-frame. Patience of a Saint, as I'd be throwing stuff through the window. We're good at bouncing ideas off each other.

I really want to run C6/C7 arms, since they're much lighter than the ones I built. They're also available off the shelf and pretty cheap. They'd be shared architecture with my 2015 Z06/7.

To keep the shock out of the control arm, we came up with this - we offset the shock from the upright. We feel the uprights will help it handle a bit more stress and FEA testing shows that it will.

Talking with Darren at Ride Tech about a set set of spacers for the offset side in front, although I could make a spacer, it wouldn't be as elegant. Also ordered the stuff to put his rear shocks into the DSE lowers and new upper shock mounts that will keep the coil overs out of the 5th Gen Camaro DSE sway bar that fits wonderfully in the back. May have to swap my rear shocks for something that can handle more angle, as these were not ordered correctly. They float in the lower control arms (SAE bolts were installed in metric holes), hit the previously installed sway bar and float in the top bracket. They may also hit/rub on the chassis when we move the mount from the outside to the inside of the rear frame rail to clear tires. The DSE rear sway bar looks like it will clear. It installed easily, like it was originally supposed to. Funny, someone told me it wouldn't fit.

Getting the new springs ordered too. I can't run ones that were beat to crap due to poor installation/configuration.

Tempted to go with the Ride Tech 5th gen components in the back. They really rock.

[grendel]

This is the last bug to fight, shock placement.

The way I got it, no rim/tire specififed would clear the shock or spring.

The stock/cut sway bar was hitting the shocks when I got it from KS. I was told the DSE bar didn't fit, but it does, nicely in fact. The mounting points for the sway bar didn't change, when the length of the arms did... because the arms were cut well past where the sway bar comes in. Ironically, we didn't have to cut the stock sway bar, the DSE lower control arms had provisions for it. It probably wouldn't' have damaged my springs, either.

So, on to pics. I have pictures of every spec'd rim hitting the springs of the coil over. The only tires that fit were the front Boyd Coddingtons that were on the car when I shipped it out there. Yep, I got the front tires on the back and back tires on the front.

The first pic is a 18x10 with 8" of back spacing from a Z06 vette, hitting the shock. I think the new upper control arms will allow a tighter placement of that shock in-board.

So, what I hope to do is move the shock mount inside the frame rail, swap the shock tops for something that will handle the inboard mount angle. I think it will actually clear the mounts, if I use the same mount the was installed outboard the rails. I may get a more compliant (read squishy) ride, but that can be changed with spring rates.

[grendel]

Its' coming together, and looking good.

DoubleJ, the build is moving forward with excellence! Keep at it, and your daughter will be racing the car before you know it!

Thanks guys. It's refreshing to actually be back on this.

[glassman]

Looking real good. Love to see the progress.....hopefully when its done, you can look back at this tough build, and it will become one of you favorites!!!

I'm looking forward to the next steps, please continue to keep us in the loop...

[mitch_04]

Just wanted to say I love watching your builds and I'm glad you kept this one going. They are all inspiring!

[grendel]

Thanks.

We got the half shafts into the cradle. Another nice mile stone.

[waynieZ]

:thumbsup:

[grendel]

So, this is the fight... all this stuff, trying to live in the same place, without damage. I think we nailed it. The IRS went in for it's final fitting.

So, this happened today:

As they were installed, the rims hit the coil overs. No rim I had or bought at specification would fit. So, in the hot rodding fashion, we broke out the plasma cutter and welder and made them fit.

Cut off the mounts for the upper rear coil overs and cut part of the "frame rail". Mounted the coil over under the frame rail, but with the mount cut into it. Flipped the shocks 180 degrees so the hardware's inside and easier to route into the trunk.

That all allowed this the "steam roller" affect. I mean, if I have to re-engineer, might as well go big as we rebuild. :)

I am also pleased as punch with the Bear calipers on Kore3 abutments over Camaro 14.4" rotors, Camaro hubs with parking brake... seems we need to shim just a little bit, but the front calipers match the back now.

Yes, the remote resevoirs will go into the trunk.

[syborg tt]

More work on the body ( I have black boogers from grinding) and Giff is working away on the sub frames. Giff is my pit boss who's been hustling to work out bugs in the IRS and front sub-frame. Patience of a Saint, as I'd be throwing stuff through the window. We're good at bouncing ideas off each other.

I really want to run C6/C7 arms, since they're much lighter than the ones I built. They're also available off the shelf and pretty cheap. They'd be shared architecture with my 2015 Z06/7.

To keep the shock out of the control arm, we came up with this - we offset the shock from the upright. We feel the uprights will help it handle a bit more stress and FEA testing shows that it will.

Talking with Darren at Ride Tech about a set set of spacers for the offset side in front, although I could make a spacer, it wouldn't be as elegant. Also ordered the stuff to put his rear shocks into the DSE lowers and new upper shock mounts that will keep the coil overs out of the 5th Gen Camaro DSE sway bar that fits wonderfully in the back. May have to swap my rear shocks for something that can handle more angle, as these were not ordered correctly. They float in the lower control arms (SAE bolts were installed in metric holes), hit the previously installed sway bar and float in the top bracket. They may also hit/rub on the chassis when we move the mount from the outside to the inside of the rear frame rail to clear tires. The DSE rear sway bar looks like it will clear. It installed easily, like it was originally supposed to. Funny, someone told me it wouldn't fit.

Getting the new springs ordered too. I can't run ones that were beat to crap due to poor installation/configuration.

Tempted to go with the Ride Tech 5th gen components in the back. They really rock.



Wish I would have known you were making offset shock mounts. I would have had you make me a set.

Need to get you shock specs also when you have time if you don't mind.

[grendel]

Wish I would have known you were making offset shock mounts. I would have had you make me a set.

Need to get you shock specs also when you have time if you don't mind.

Easy to do, when are you putting yours in? I've learned a lot about this one...

The rear rails will be totally clean before paint, BTW... this is final rough in.

That's a 375 tire tucked under there.

Also, someone posted a link about getting more room in the outer wheel tub of a 2nd gen... I can't find it.

[GregWeld]

First rule of hot rodding --- ya gotta cut, to cure.... LOL


Nicely done! And wow! Those are so big ass tires.

[Che70velle]

I just hit my LIKE button so hard, I broke it!
#winning

[grendel]

First rule of hot rodding --- ya gotta cut, to cure.... LOL


Nicely done! And wow! Those are so big ass tires.

Yep. Been there, done that, have the plasma burn scars and grinder knuckles. Didn't want to do it on this build, but I am in there, so it's happening.

Thanks man.

I just hit my LIKE button so hard, I broke it!
#winning

Thanks man.

[XLexusTech]

Looking awesome JJ !

[waynieZ]

Sweet! nice looking meats on there..

[grendel]

Looking awesome JJ !

Sweet! nice looking meats on there..

Thanks gents.

I think they may look too big... won't know until I can sit it all the way down.

These may end up on my Z06, with the Z06/7 rims and tires going on this.

[gofastwclass]

Looking good, JJ. I love the 5th Gen Camaro IRS in this car and the wide body in the rear. This is a cool car that is finally turning out well now that it has the proper supervision. :)

I'm excited to see what is next.

[grendel]

I am pretty sure a 47 Willy's wagon, on C7 suspension's next...

Or maybe a 72 Corvette "Z06"????

[syborg tt]

Planning to bring the frame home in a couple weeks. Needed to redo my garage so I could have a place to put it and still park both Camaro's in the garage.

As for the 375 that's a big SOB


Easy to do, when are you putting yours in? I've learned a lot about this one...

The rear rails will be totally clean before paint, BTW... this is final rough in.

That's a 375 tire tucked under there.

Also, someone posted a link about getting more room in the outer wheel tub of a 2nd gen... I can't find it.





Marty-mj
www.garagescene.net www.syborgtwinturbo.com www.2ndcamaro.com

[sokoloka]

Or maybe a 72 Corvette "Z06"????

I'm a little biased but I'd say this is the one!

[grendel]

I'm a little biased but I'd say this is the one!

That will happen regardless...:ohsnap:

[waynieZ]

47 Willy's is a sweet little wagon.

[grendel]

So I am still noodling on this, which means no forward progress.

As you can see, the 21" rims and 375 series tires fit. Thing is, I have 1.5" of up travel the way they fit now. I'd really like a lower ride height with them, even with the 1.5" of travel.

Perhaps I should ask, what is a reasonable up travel amount for racing/street riding for ice cream with the kids? Most cars I've built, I shoot for 2.5". I think I can squeak out 2" with this.

I read somewhere (but can't find it) about how to mod the stock outer wheel tubs for more up travel.

Or I can I go with an 18" rim and run BFG's.

I'd have to buy 4 rims and tires. That gives me 2.5" up.

Or I could go with Z06 rear rims all around...

I have two 20x12's and two tires... I also have the front 19x11" and tires.

Again, 2.5" up.

Or I could do 19x12" rims from the rear of a 2012 C6 Grand Concourse.

I have 4 of those, just need tires.

again, 2.5" up.

Gives me a 26.5" diameter tire on a 12" wide rim

In which case, I am being lazy... but they're probably a better tire than the Pirelli Nero's I own on the 21 and 20" Forgelines that coould go on my Z06 or other projects.

I haven't even started to really think about the front, most say an 11" wide rim, which matches the front 2015 Z06 rims I own.

Thoughts?

[grendel]

So, in other news, Ron Sutton will be helping with this build via specifications.

I think that answers some of the questions above.

[Ben@SpeedTech]

With Ron on board you'll get everything worked out and this thing running like a serious beastie. Good luck!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

So, in other news, Ron Sutton will be helping with this build via specifications.

I think that answers some of the questions above.

With Ron on board you'll get everything worked out and this thing running like a serious beastie. Good luck!

That being said, keep the saw-z-all and the hot wrench warmed up and close by. :action-smiley-027: :secret: :innocent:

[Stage7]

Looking really good Grendel. it's progressed a lot since I saw it. I'm glad you're finishing it. It's going to be sick just like your other builds. I hope to see it before the cold weather comes back.

[Swain]

Some Wheel designs I think that would look killer. :hello:

[grendel]

So, yeah... the 21" and 20" rim combo is gone.

Order BFG Rival S's today. Trying to go square on 335's but we'll see. I know a 315 will fit the front.

[Swain]

How about this?

[spatel2589]

How about this?

I think these would look real nice! The colorway gives a more sophisticated look compared to the common grey centers.

[grendel]

How about this?

I like that one a lot.

18x12

18x11

[grendel]

Got a little time to dink around with this.

One of the things that really bugged me: The rear shelf was cut excessively large for the DSE mini tubs, and never patched. Generally, it's not an issue for most cars, but in mine, that's where the Tiger Cage bolts through... which would be a major issue. In the cut pics, the large square shape is the stainless Ride Tech backing plate to the rear cage section. I imagine it's designed to be covered.:y0!: This is how I got it last year. Finally got some time this week to play with it for an hour.

So cut it out more and added material that is welded to the wheel tub, the rear deck and the "frame". I feel that tying this into the cage system by Ride Tech will add a bunch of rigidity.

I'll spend some time with the grinder and clean the welded up, then drill for the cage bolts... I can't imagine it's going anywhere now. I also took the vent system out, it will get a charcoal canister on the gas tank vent.

Some pics for you.

[grendel]

One of the other things that bugged me was how the gas tank was mounted with two 3/16" thick bolts in the front of the gas tank straps through some pretty thin material. That 16.5 gallons at 6.3 lb per gallon hanging off what looks like 20 or 22 gauge sheet metal.

So I welded in some 14g that will get braced to each other. Now the sloshing can do whatever it wants. They will also take 3/8" bolts like the adjuster is on the other side.

Also, since we're changing up a the car, I am thinking about dropping the stripes... I've seen a couple of cars with carbon fiber stripes and I am not a fan.

I also asked Ben to add the 18" Budniks Jay last posted to see what they look like on the car. The 20/21" Forgelines are not a part of this and will be sold off.

Thoughts?

[grendel]

After the last couple of day's work, I think I should call this project "Tacky".

Got the inner fenders fitted, just a bit more welding and grinding to go... lots of black booger picking too! Getting ready to paint and line the underside so we can start making this into a final roller. Gained .75" of up travel over the way it was done before. Also has the outer lip for the 1/4 to attach to.

Also trimmed the wheel tubs themselves, so they don't trap crap and cause rot.

Oh and we have new tires, will get those measured for rims once it's a roller.

Rims are ordered, too.

This thing may actually race this season!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Nice rendering and some serious meats your gonna run. :thumbsup:

[Beach Cruiser]

You're getting there! Maybe we can race together in the future!

[grendel]

I would like that... should be a fun race :)

I am slowly chipping away at this. I know people won't see it, but I will know they're there... so I finished the rear inner fender wells. Yes, I even put down some plastic.

It's tough splitting time between this and the Diamond <T>.

[grendel]

Is this thing on?

After a lot of grinding and black booger picking, I got the body lines where I want them. Although I really didn't want to use any filler, we had to. Granted, it's less than 1/16" thick. I have the passenger side in a guide coat and started working on the driver's side mud work.

Looks like I may make it to a race or two this year with this car.

Oh, also getting perfect gaps means modifying carbon fiber.

[glassman]

Would love to see this thing done this year!! :thumbsup: :superhack:

[grendel]

Would love to see this thing done this year!! :thumbsup: :superhack:

You and me both. :flag2:

No hacks though, unless Ron orders it :whenitsdone:

[grendel]

More priming, more sanding... glad we're working in the dirty section of the building. I got the trunk lid gapped right. Start working on the doors sometime next week.

It's getting the underside pol lined tonight and tomorrow we're making it a roller and measuring for wheels.

Today was a good day.

[waynieZ]

Sweet!

[grendel]

Sub frames went in for the final time.

Also getting my second race boat ready... some times it's nice to live near the ocean.

[waynieZ]

The tires look good back there.

[Che70velle]

Now your cooking! Man I'm glad you didn't get rid of this car!

[Beach Cruiser]

Looking good! Race boat? 2nd Race boat? I've been too busy watching it rain all spring to get my boat out!

[syborg tt]

Holy cow I can't believe what i've missed in the last 3 weeks.



Sub frames went in for the final time.

Also getting my second race boat ready... some times it's nice to live near the ocean.

[grendel]

Holy cow I can't believe what i've missed in the last 3 weeks.

Meh, you see them on Facebook :)

[grendel]

I am slowly whittling away at this in the dirty section of the shop... more primer, gray boogers and sanding ahead of me.

[waynieZ]

Keep pecking away at it , it's looking good.

[grendel]

We started mocking up the front clip. I am surprised how wavy the anvil carbon fiber it. Lots of sanding to get it to lay down.

[grendel]

Thoughts on the wheels?

[XLexusTech]

Thoughts on the wheels?
Like the wheel love them if you use concave ...

Heard Anvil moved production to China ... Not dpurised if quality took a hit

[syborg tt]

Thoughts on the wheels?

Love the Wheels, the exposed Carbon and the freaking Color. The red is going to look awesome.

[slenning]

Nice work on the quarters John :thumbsup:
I agree with Marty, I like the wheels and the red will be awesome.

[grendel]

Fighting all the little stuff, like lines etc.

At the point now where I can start painting door jambs and the like.

The funny thing, I could mix up something custom, but based on the use this car will see, I want to be able to do touch ups and repairs.

Closest red I could find is an Aston Martin color, 2015 Volcano Red.

Putting this paint code out there to remember it. AST5151D

[syborg tt]

The funny thing, I could mix up something custom, but based on the use this car will see, I want to be able to do touch ups and repairs.



Closest red I could find is an Aston Martin color, 2015 Volcano Red.



Putting this paint code out there to remember it. AST5151D



I'm a huge fan of Red and I guess I need to stop at the dealer and look at that red.

[Centerforce]

We're following your diamond T build thread on pirate, too, and MAN you're doing quality work. Don't know how you juggle that many builds, but its seriously impressive!

[grendel]

What really sucks is when your car's in Paint Prison and you're the Warden/Jailer.


We spent a lot of time priming, sanding and priming...

Everything is ready for paint and it's time to pull this out of the messy area of my shop.

(I have a much cleaner area and a down draft, heated (for baking) paint booth).

Should be painting the interior semi gloss black in the next two days, along with the fiber glass kick panels and rear deck lid.

I mixed up the red today, not sure I like it yet.

My rollers in the rear are from a GranSport Corvette (old take offs.) I think they fit pretty nicely at ride height and have 2.75" of up travel, with the shock set for 2.7" of up. Not that shabby.

[grendel]

BTW, can anyone tell what size billet door jamb vents I need? I also wonder if I can get billet trunk hinges.

[WSSix]

Like the wheel design you've chosen. Are they going to be gray centers?

[MtotheIKEo]

Fesler has nice trunk hinges.

[waynieZ]

What really sucks is when your car's in Paint Prison and you're the Warden/Jailer.

Atleast you don't have to wait for updates ! Lookin good!

[slenning]

Looking good John!! I have the Fesler trunk hinges for my 70. Very nice.

My 70 is in paint jail too. I don't have the control that you do but the shop is only 2 miles from mine. Very handy!

[grendel]

I guess I need to get some black fesler trunk hinges going. How do they install? Do I need to keep the filler panel off, to access the old hinges?

I have a fair bit of their stuff.

[slenning]

I guess I need to get some black fesler trunk hinges going. How do they install? Do I need to keep the filler panel off, to access the old hinges?
I have a fair bit of their stuff.

The Fesler hinges come with some real nice pins with a spring detent clip built in to hold them in place.
You do need the filler off to get the old hinges and torsion rods out of there. I also trimmed the back edges of the hinge brackets to clean them up a bit after the old hinges were out.

[grendel]

Thanks guys.

This project just took another turn.

I don't like the red. Can't find one I like.

It's going deep, abyssal black, like my GMC.

[Swain]

Lets talk about that Cigarette in the back ground. Is that a 38?

[grendel]

Lets talk about that Cigarette in the back ground. Is that a 38?

Which one? There's two in these pics. :popcorn2:

[Che70velle]

Thanks guys.

This project just took another turn.

I don't like the red. Can't find one I like.

It's going deep, abyssal black, like my GMC.


In my opinion a good move. I don't like red on anything except an exotic. But we all know about opinions...
Deep black, oh yeah!!

[grendel]

So I got some paint on it...

May actually need a name for this.

[waynieZ]

Wow that paint looks slick! Nice job!

[grendel]

I am not sure what the squiggles are on the passenger side... they're not there on car.

[Sonar Chief]

Wow ... that looks great! The car has come long way great perseverance!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

So I got some paint on it...

May actually need a name for this.

From the looks of that first picture... CRIMINAL

:tv_happy:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

came out great JJ. Glad you went through with it.

[grendel]

Thanks guys... cutting the hood and nose pieces.

Finally getting the engine and trans together this week, to stab it in for the first/last time, I hope.

Have a bunch of work to do Saturday and Sunday on this.

I also got to organize the trailer that most of the parts have been stored in.

The body should be together this time next week, with the all the hard parts bolted in... then we start plumbing and wiring.


BTW, we wet sand from 400 grit all the way to brown paper bag, in between every coat of paint or clear. Then buff the living heck out of it.

5 coats of color, 5 coats of clear. Paper thin paint. Black in depth, is not easy.

I also ordered an adjustable rear sway bar for this. Anyone want a DSE 5th gen Camaro rear sway bar?

[grendel]

Set for tomorrow.

[XLexusTech]

Awesome!

[waynieZ]

Sweet !

[grendel]

So, a bit of thrashing from 8am to 1pm today.

Motor and trans is in. Have to cut the shifter opening back 2.5".

Got the gas tank in, headers on, started lining stuff up.

Thinking I need an electric brake booster... can't find the hydro one I had and not a fan of more hydraulic hoses.

Would have had the full coated exhaust on, but the rear sway bar needs a narrower torsion rod.

[XLexusTech]

Looks like you will make cruisin downtown Manchester this year... Can't wait to see it in person

[waynieZ]

You made some nice progress today. Glad to see it moving so fast.

[glassman]

Yes, very nice progress indeed. Looking forward to seeing it done.,

[SlowProgress]

Others have already said it but I am glad you stuck with this project. It is coming out great.

[grendel]

thoughts on manual vs power brakes?

[71RS/SS396]

thoughts on manual vs power brakes?

Blonde, brunette, or red head? It's all about preferences of the individual, I hate manual brakes but my brakes are way too sensitive for some that have driven my car.... they're fine for me.

[gofastwclass]

Blonde, brunette, or red head? It's all about preferences of the individual

I agree.

Manual brakes are simpler and take up less space when that is a concern.

[grendel]

I looking for a gauge carrier for the Dakota Digital gauges... they use a stock one, but the re-pop ones all look like crap.

May end up making one.

[glassman]

JJ, I have the Dakota Digital 2nd gen in a repop carrier and the carrier SUX! I'll end up making one.

Manual brakes (just did it) with Baer 6 piston on order with MCB. Jury's still out for me, right now I miss the booster, but haven't tracked it yet with the new set up, which was the whole reason for going booster less.

How did the curved quarter glass go, or what did u do? (The truck project)

[grendel]

How did the curved quarter glass go, or what did u do? (The truck project)

Still working that out... found a place in PA that can do it, 500 per piece (need 2) and 560 to set. Oi.

Thing is, that truck is going to SEMA, so I need to get on it.


Edit: So folks know what Glassman and I are talking about... the tow rig. A modern chassis under an old cab and custom sleeper, with 50's Spartan trailer accents. Sadly, I need to have custom curved automotive glass made from the plexi glass I have.

[grendel]

Hmn:

http://hizandherz2.00page.com/BEZEL.html

[grendel]

So, I started to make a billet gauge carrier.

Lots of programming, lots of milling. More to come on this.

Two things I refuse to do on my cars: wiring and plumbing. My friend Randy loves it. So it's at his shop. I designed the wiring and plumbing and he's executing it very nicely.

Always a good thing to see the first item light up.

Always fun to find the stuff you didn't fit up before paint. I need to cut the front sub frame horns to fit the radiator.

Eating that elephant one bite at a time.

[waynieZ]

It looks like it's coming along nice. I've been holding off on the wiring because I'm not too fond of it either. Those light will let everyone know your stopping. They look nice.

[grendel]

Thanks, Dakota Digital LED's with Fesler lenses.

[grendel]

Some hacking... figures, the only thing I didn't test fit before paint.


Radiator's in:ohsnap:


Time to break out the welder, again.

[grendel]

Miles of wire... miles of stainless plumbing.

Just a wee bit of a cut.

[grendel]

Trying to find a place for all this stuff, hide and keep it serviceable is nuts.

[grendel]

and the death by 1k paper cuts continues.

Brake master cyl, clutch cyl and steering column are in, using Mean Streets brackets. The clutch cyl reservoir will be hard plumbed.

Steering column is in, with a custom bracket that mounts the column low in the firewall.

[grendel]

Went manual brakes. Didn't have room with the down bars to fit the Baer Re-Master... now have one for power/hydro assist disk/disk since it was easier to buy a new one with smaller bore than change the bore I had.

[grendel]

More things going on than coming off these days.

Went with a rear sway bar from my friends at Ride Tech. Love that it fits exactly where I thought it would. Nice adjust-ability, too.

[Beach Cruiser]

I ran my Harness through the firewall above the bellhousing behind the motor. it's almost all hidden except the injector wires. My coils are mounted down low on the frame under the headers and hidden too.

[grendel]

I ran my Harness through the firewall above the bellhousing behind the motor. it's almost all hidden except the injector wires. My coils are mounted down low on the frame under the headers and hidden too.

Yep, we're hiding most of the stuff we can, my fenders will cover all the stuff you see.

Today's lesson is all about math. How to make a manual brake set up really work... requires leverage and drilling the brake arm to get it right.

We did that, with the help of Baer. Might do this on my black GMC.

I did find a set of Carbon Ceramic brakes I am noodling on.

[waynieZ]

How much did you end up lowering the mounting point?

[grendel]

How much did you end up lowering the mounting point?

If you mean the column? It went from the top of the opening, to the bottom.

If you mean the brakes?

We followed this:

http://www.mpbrakes.com/techtalk/how-to-series/correctly-calculating-pedal-ratio

We did a 5.5:1 ratio... splitting the difference.

[syborg tt]

Is your radiator larger then stock ??

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=59369&stc=1&d=1469752364

[grendel]

Is your radiator larger then stock ??

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=59369&stc=1&d=1469752364

It's an Entropy radiator for an LS in a 73 Camaro... stock sized, that I know of.

[syborg tt]

Looking at your pictures and looking at mine and my Subframe it looks like I will have to modify it similar to what you have done.

http://www.garagescene.net/_data/i/upload/2016/08/11/20160811154853-42318183-me.jpg

http://www.garagescene.net/_data/i/upload/2016/08/11/20160811154852-d3e50df7-me.jpg

http://www.garagescene.net/_data/i/upload/2016/08/11/20160811154849-04c5bf6b-me.jpg

[grendel]

I think you do, too.

Not hard to figure out, with a measuring tape.

[grendel]

and today's pics. More cutting... took 2.5" out of the tunnel to get the shifter in. I'll need a different console. I plan to build one that looks seamless to the dash. Like my black GMC C15... what's another 40 hours? :/

I know, I need longer plug wires... those were made before we moved the coils.

[mitch_04]

So excited to see this once it's finished.... love the rate of work!

[grendel]

So, tires size is set.

Front and rear...

[grendel]

Still motoring away on this. Have all the AC plumbing and fuel to go.

Wiring is almost done.

[waynieZ]

Good news. Wiring, That's a big job to get out of the way.

[XLexusTech]

Still motoring away on this. Have all the AC plumbing and fuel to go.

Wiring is almost done.
I bought a pair of ezclip pliers. If you want to borrow them ... Also have a bunch of line if yup need it

[grendel]

I bought a pair of ezclip pliers. If you want to borrow them ... Also have a bunch of line if yup need it


Thanks. We're mostly done with wiring, HVAC plumbing and now onto brakes, with all stainless lines and fittings. I am very thankful for my hydraulic flaring tools.

Can't wait to get this back into my shop and get the front body panels on it.

[WSSix]

Coming along nicely, JJ. Keep up the good work!

[grendel]

Routing brake lines is always fun.

Yes, I have more clamps.

No vibration to work harden and break lines allowed.

[slenning]

Everything is looking great JJ!!
Man, I wish mine was that far along :headspin:

[grendel]

Still plugging away... not looking forward to bug fix. Should be minimal though.

[syborg tt]

Here are the part numbers for the ARP Hardware for the Tiger Cage.

http://www.garagescene.net/_data/i/upload/2016/09/22/20160922144523-4715f31c-me.jpg

[grendel]

Thanks.

[grendel]

Still working all the little stuff.

Should be done and running soon.

Maybe before the snow hits.

[MtotheIKEo]

Looking good! Do you have a part number for that steering column mount? Mine was all mangled up and I need to do something similar.

[grendel]

Looking good! Do you have a part number for that steering column mount? Mine was all mangled up and I need to do something similar.

I made it. Well, the big aluminum plate. The ball mount is by flaming river. Allowed us to angle the column away from the headers by placing it much lower than stock.

[Goosesdad]

Hi John....do you have any pics of the steering link going through your headers? I let the column position on the firewall be determined by the upper mount...but don't have my headers in yet. Wonder if I have a redo in my future.

[grendel]

Hi John....do you have any pics of the steering link going through your headers? I let the column position on the firewall be determined by the upper mount...but don't have my headers in yet. Wonder if I have a redo in my future.


Hi John,

It doesn't go through my headers. I am using Stainless Works "Wayne Due" headers, if we left the stock Camaro column orientation, it would hit the last tube. We were able to angle it down and away by moving the bottom lower point.

It's the lower mount that controls the angle through the front sub frame. I am using a stock upper mount, with clamps welded to it, that bolts into the stock location on the dash support. For some reason, my "bolt in" Flaming River steering column didn't have a provision for the mount. You could probably shorten up the top mount and increase the angle, but I wanted to have a lower steering wheel.

Normally, they mount high through the lower mount. As you can see, I had to lower it about 2.75" and build a new mount that uses a Flaming River orbital that will take a whole lot more angle. It really wasn't that hard, just a bit of time and 3/16" aluminum that I had on hand.

I added a few pics that shows the orientation.

I am away, so my buddy is working on the final steps. Since we had the front sub frame open, he welded nuts on the inside of the sub frame. Yep, my down bars were anchoring to tapped box tube, nothing on the inside... I think it's a bit better off now. He also sealed up the cuts... and now has a lot of flap disking to do. I feel sad for his nose, cause it's going to be black booger time. I am glad to be away for once :).

[grendel]

This is the lower column mount I put on a piece of aluminum.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fla-fr20101/overview/

It allows more angle than the stock, or aftermarket replacements that used stock geometry.

The attached pic is the one I bought, that is all stock location. My finger is where it actually needed to go through. So I used the black one as a template.

It came in clear aluminum, I had it it anodized, only to find that I had to re-do it.

[grendel]

All welded up, flapped and painted.

[Goosesdad]

Thanks for the pics John!! I used the eyeball mount from IDIDIT but I let the upper mount locate the lower mount. I didn't have the headers mounted up yet so I sort'a guessed, we'll see, I think it should be good. Appreciate the pics you sent! Your car is looking great!! I think I might need to buy you a beer and get the low down on how you get your friend to work on your ride while you are away!!! That's a good friend, keep that dude!!

[grendel]

Thanks for the pics John!! I used the eyeball mount from IDIDIT but I let the upper mount locate the lower mount. I didn't have the headers mounted up yet so I sort'a guessed, we'll see, I think it should be good. Appreciate the pics you sent! Your car is looking great!! I think I might need to buy you a beer and get the low down on how you get your friend to work on your ride while you are away!!! That's a good friend, keep that dude!!

Oh that one's easy. He's my shop foremen, working out of his home garage on my project, for side work.

[grendel]

We're also prepping for SEMA, which is always iffy.

I am going with a TCI interior, considering that they've been doing them for 30 years.

[grendel]

Mostly done with wiring and plumbing.

Time to bring it home.

Now for final body work, fitting the nose, the deck lid, etc.

Then interior.

[waynieZ]

JJ, it's looking great, I'm glad to see it moving along smothly. I love the dash.

[grendel]

Thanks Wayne.

I am not sure about the rims/tires from my Z06 Vette, but they do fit. :G-Dub:

[grendel]

Got the driveshaft in today.

[grendel]

1 step forward, 3 backwards.

The nicely ceramic coated exhaust doesn't fit with any rear tire I have, including the Boyds that were on the car.

Oi.

May just do turn downs after the muffler.

WHAT? I can't hear you... Betrayal made me deaf and dumb. :BlahBlah:

I swear, I hate this car. :bigun2:

[fleetus macmullitz]

I swear, I hate this car. :bigun2:

lol

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[Schroeder]

Nice build, grendel. I have been sending you some PMs with questions over the last couple of weeks. Could you look at your inbox and shoot me some answers? It would be much appreciated!! Keep up the good work.

[grendel]

Started getting the interior together.


Also got the rear axle shaft back, so I can put all that to rest, too.

Little stuff now, like getting the Ride Tech cans into the trunk on the Ron Sutter brackets.

Still trying to hunt down a dash. I don't want to use repop stuff.

[glassman]

Dash.. ?. Gauge cluster or padded part? Imo they both suck. I'm still trying to come up with a better (maybe billett guage cluster, too pricey?) or design. I will most likely be doing my interior next year so with design in mind.....?????

[grendel]

Dash.. ?. Gauge cluster or padded part? Imo they both suck. I'm still trying to come up with a better (maybe billett guage cluster, too pricey?) or design. I will most likely be doing my interior next year so with design in mind.....?????


I have a Dakota Digital gauge cluster and their carrier. Both are really good.

Looking for all the stock plastics and a dash pad.

[grendel]

So, we've spent some time trying to get the FAST EZ EFI 2.0 to run this motor. If you look back, you'd see that the Callies Magnum XL crank that started this whole build ( destroked LS2 to mimic a DZ302 in a Camaro) doesn't have a provision for a crank sensor. It was built to run a carb and distributor in a specific race class. FAST sent us a crank wheel and trigger for an SBC and we adapted it to the front of the pulley system.

Long story, short, it just doesn't work, even though FAST is positive it will.

I pulled the plug.

We're expecting a 416ci LS3 based Mamo Motorsports built motor on Wednesday. It will get the FAST XFI Sportsman EFI and keep the look I want in this car. We lose some RPM, we gain some weight and certainly gain about 125hp.

This destroked LS2 gets a GMPP front timing cover that takes a distributor. Might get dual quads that I have, might get something else, but I have a 31 Ford to put it in. I think it will bug some guys... it looks like a Ford motor, but has GM stampings on it? :)