NorCal Shelby Mini Nats - Aug 2nd and 3rd

[GregWeld]

Okay - I started a new thread.

[GregWeld]

NorCal Shelby Club has not opened registration yet -- but this event will sell out QUICKLY...

http://www.norcal-saac.org/mininats/


I will, once again, be taking the Siegmeister and both the cars to this event.... and have hired Ron Sutton to help us with management and race tech. His info and help are amazing...

Since the NorCal Shelby Thunderhill event -- I have new rotors - pads, and a new master cylinder purchased thru Ron.... for the Mustang. I have also mounted up a set of Hoosier A6's for this event. I've been running the R6... but we'll see how this softer compound works.

For the Lotus -- I've mounted up a set of Yokohama A005's in SOFT compound... and changed shifter cables from the sloppy factory versions to race versions. And added some close-out panels around the rear LCA's. We'll see if Sieg can set a new track record while keeping the car intact.

I plan to run both the cars in the Green group this event. If he passes me at any time - I reserve the right to "pit maneuver" him at the next corner.

I also plan to put Sieg in the Mustang for a session or two (actually thinking about just running each driver/car for one day - then swapping for the next day). It will be fun to see the smile on his face when he gets to drive a car with real power and small tires!

[Track Junky]

Hope to see you there Greg. I have a few events I plan on going to before then and if my car is still in one piece by August 2nd and 3rd I'll see you there. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Hope to see you there Greg. I have a few events I plan on going to before then and if my car is still in one piece by August 2nd and 3rd I'll see you there. :thumbsup:



You can always come and watch and I'll even make you lunch!

[Sieg]

Pre Sonoma preparation..........

WUO-lPubXeI


One question.........Does the Mustang have a Hoonigan handle?

[GregWeld]

Pre Sonoma preparation..........
One question.........Does the Mustang have a Hoonigan handle?



Yes I have a slightly modified version of one -- it's primary purpose being to reach down your throat and rip your heart out should you bollox up my beloved Mustang....

[DBasher]

Since the NorCal Shelby Thunderhill event -- I have new rotors - pads, and a new master cylinder purchased thru Ron.... for the Mustang.

That's not how this works......that's not how any of this works!

Dan

[Ron Sutton]

Oh boy ...

NorCal Shelby Club has not opened registration yet -- but this event will sell out QUICKLY...

http://www.norcal-saac.org/mininats/


I will, once again, be taking the Siegmeister and both the cars to this event.... and have hired Ron Sutton to help us with management and race tech. His info and help are amazing...
"Siegmeister" ... love it.

Since the NorCal Shelby Thunderhill event -- I have new rotors - pads, and a new master cylinder purchased thru Ron.... for the Mustang. I have also mounted up a set of Hoosier A6's for this event. I've been running the R6... but we'll see how this softer compound works.

For the Lotus -- I've mounted up a set of Yokohama A005's in SOFT compound... and changed shifter cables from the sloppy factory versions to race versions. And added some close-out panels around the rear LCA's. We'll see if Sieg can set a new track record while keeping the car intact.

I plan to run both the cars in the Green group this event. If he passes me at any time - I reserve the right to "pit maneuver" him at the next corner.
LOL :thumbsup:

I also plan to put Sieg in the Mustang for a session or two (actually thinking about just running each driver/car for one day - then swapping for the next day). It will be fun to see the smile on his face when he gets to drive a car with real power and small tires!

Looking forward to it. I'm hoping Dave, Mike & Mike ... and others ... will come join us. We had a blast last time. Greg makes a mean lunch. Plus there are the BS sessions afterward.

Dave ... I hope you're not mad you got a nickname from it. I wouldn't have done if I didn't like ya.

G ... you bringing your car?

[Ron Sutton]

That's not how this works......that's not how any of this works!

Dan

LOL :D

[carbuff]

According to Google, it's 1779 miles from my place to Sonoma Raceway. NorCal is gorgeous that time of year, right?

I remember my first trip to Northern California. I was in San Franscisco and drove up to Sonoma for the day. As I turned the corner from 37 onto 121, I passed the entrance sign to Infineon Raceway. It took about 5 seconds for that to register, and I slammed on the brakes and did a u-turn in the middle of 121. I drove back, and the place was wide open. It was a weekday, and some cars were running practice laps, others were being worked on in the garages. I parked and just walked around the track for a while. Such a cool experience!

[Sieg]

Yes I have a slightly modified version of one -- it's primary purpose being to reach down your throat and rip your heart out should you bollox up my beloved Mustang....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

In no way would I want to hear..........which corner did you run out of talent in and/or I un-friend you!

:D

[GregWeld]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

In no way would I want to hear..........which corner did you run out of talent in and/or I un-friend you!

:D




If I was that way - I wouldn't let anyone drive them...


It's only fun when you're with your friends - and they're having fun!

[Ron Sutton]

According to Google, it's 1779 miles from my place to Sonoma Raceway. NorCal is gorgeous that time of year, right?

I remember my first trip to Northern California. I was in San Franscisco and drove up to Sonoma for the day. As I turned the corner from 37 onto 121, I passed the entrance sign to Infineon Raceway. It took about 5 seconds for that to register, and I slammed on the brakes and did a u-turn in the middle of 121. I drove back, and the place was wide open. It was a weekday, and some cars were running practice laps, others were being worked on in the garages. I parked and just walked around the track for a while. Such a cool experience!

It is beautiful. That is my all time favorite track, even though her & I have "history."

[Sieg]

It is beautiful. That is my all time favorite track, even though her & I have "history."




......waiting to hear about the history lesson. :popcorn2:


Thought this might be a better track prep video :rolleyes:

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Appropriate car, his lines look pretty good, and he's smooth.....IMHO.

[GregWeld]

That car is FAST -- and make note of the steam roller tires on it!


First he picks off Chet (117) --- then Pete (004) -- then finally Charley (35) -- and finally hunts down Kevin Sitner.... all the skinny tire cars fall one by one....


I've seen this purple people eater run with our group before and it goes like stink. Nice driving too!

[Ron in SoCal]

Oh boy ...


Dave ... I hope you're not mad you got a nickname from it. I wouldn't have done if I didn't like ya.



He's not talking to you!

:lmao:

Well...he might when he sobers up. :D

[Ron in SoCal]

I remember my first trip to Northern California. I was in San Franscisco and drove up to Sonoma for the day. As I turned the corner from 37 onto 121, I passed the entrance sign to Infineon Raceway. It took about 5 seconds for that to register, and I slammed on the brakes and did a u-turn in the middle of 121. I drove back, and the place was wide open. It was a weekday, and some cars were running practice laps, others were being worked on in the garages. I parked and just walked around the track for a while. Such a cool experience!

Brian I did the exact same thing my last trip to NorCal :cheers:

[SSLance]

I was in the back of a minivan with three other people in it and had another car following us in our group... This was my view of Sonoma as we drove past...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u0q7Gsita-Y/Uis6RqOPuwI/AAAAAAAAI8s/T5gvoF0TKjQ/w913-h685-no/DSC03359.JPG

There was even a WRL race there that coming weekend too... :headscratch: :(

[Ron Sutton]

I was in the back of a minivan with three other people in it and had another car following us in our group... This was my view of Sonoma as we drove past...

There was even a WRL race there that coming weekend too... :headscratch: :(

That's too bad you missed it Lance. It is an awesome track. I've driven most of the top road courses in America and "Sears Point" ... as it was named for decades ... is my fav.

I'm looking forward to Aug 2-3 with g-dub & Siegmeister. Gaetano's coming as long as his car is good to go.

Who else is planning to attend ? :y0!:

[Richio1]

Im in

[Sieg]

Im in

:woot: :woot:

:grouphug:

[Track Junky]

That car is FAST -- and make note of the steam roller tires on it!


First he picks off Chet (117) --- then Pete (004) -- then finally Charley (35) -- and finally hunts down Kevin Sitner.... all the skinny tire cars fall one by one....


I've seen this purple people eater run with our group before and it goes link stink. Nice driving too!

This year your story wont be much different only it will be the orange people eater :unibrow: :lol:

[Flash68]

Oh boy ...



Looking forward to it. I'm hoping Dave, Mike & Mike ... and others ... will come join us. We had a blast last time. Greg makes a mean lunch. Plus there are the BS sessions afterward.

Dave ... I hope you're not mad you got a nickname from it. I wouldn't have done if I didn't like ya.






LOL. Ron, it's all good. Some nicknames have staying power.... and most don't. :D

It's the closest track to my house so I am in. :popcorn2:

According to Google, it's 1779 miles from my place to Sonoma Raceway. NorCal is gorgeous that time of year, right?

I remember my first trip to Northern California. I was in San Franscisco and drove up to Sonoma for the day. As I turned the corner from 37 onto 121, I passed the entrance sign to Infineon Raceway. It took about 5 seconds for that to register, and I slammed on the brakes and did a u-turn in the middle of 121. I drove back, and the place was wide open. It was a weekday, and some cars were running practice laps, others were being worked on in the garages. I parked and just walked around the track for a while. Such a cool experience!

Gitter dun dude. Make it happen.

He's not talking to you!

:lmao:

Well...he might when he sobers up. :D

That sobering up comment was more accurate than you know. :happy23:

Im in

Now that's excellent!

This year your story wont be much different only it will be the orange people eater :unibrow: :lol:

Let it begin. :ohsnap:

[Panteracer]

I am wondering about running the A6's (autocross tires)
on the race track.. it was always my understanding that
they heated up quicker but will not sustain the longer runs
of heat required by the race track and 20 minute sessions

Heat cycling always help the tire last longer but not sure
if that type of heat cycling will work... I do understand
that race slicks have several compounds from soft to hard
just wondering about the A6's??

Ron or anyone had any experience with them

Panteracer Norcal Bob

Was hoping to be going to Optima in Oregon that weekend

[GregWeld]

I am wondering about running the A6's (autocross tires)
on the race track.. it was always my understanding that
they heated up quicker but will not sustain the longer runs
of heat required by the race track and 20 minute sessions

Heat cycling always help the tire last longer but not sure
if that type of heat cycling will work... I do understand
that race slicks have several compounds from soft to hard
just wondering about the A6's??

Ron or anyone had any experience with them

Panteracer Norcal Bob

Was hoping to be going to Optima in Oregon that weekend




WE are trying the A6 because of the tire temp measurements of the R6's when running Thunderhill.

We ARE not racing.... and I'm certainly no race car driver.... a real race car driver would most certainly generate too much heat... but I don't. I also have a complete set of R6's mounted on another set of wheels -- so if the temps tells us the A6 is getting too hot... a simple switch will be made. WE are doing this based on the science of our own measurements, rather than, what someone told someone else's buddy one time.

The tire pressures I WAS using were near but not close enough... actual measurements of the tire temps and ending pressures etc gave us the info needed to set the tires right. Now - that's the new numbers being used instead of just kinda sorta someone else is using X pressure.

[FETorino]

WE are trying the A6 because of the tire temp measurements of the R6's when running Thunderhill.

We ARE not racing.... and I'm certainly no race car driver.... a real race car driver would most certainly generate too much heat... but I don't. I also have a complete set of R6's mounted on another set of wheels -- so if the temps tells us the A6 is getting too hot... a simple switch will be made. WE are doing this based on the science of our own measurements, rather than, what someone told someone else's buddy one time.

The tire pressures I WAS using were near but not close enough... actual measurements of the tire temps and ending pressures etc gave us the info needed to set the tires right. Now - that's the new numbers being used instead of just kinda sorta someone else is using X pressure.

This all sounds so scientific, like somebody tuning a car. I thought you just got in and drove :slingshot: :lmao:

[Sieg]

This all sounds so scientific, like somebody tuning a car. I thought you just got in and drove :slingshot: :lmao:

Wait until he starts clicking shock adjusters..........it will be like when he first figured out the multiple quote feature. :lol:

[GregWeld]

This all sounds so scientific, like somebody tuning a car. I thought you just got in and drove :slingshot: :lmao:




So..... Your implication is that I, at least, have a car I can actually drive?? Just sayin'.....


Hahahahahahaha a



Oh yeah! That's not going to buff out is it?

[Ron Sutton]

Im in

Cool,

So Jeff & Dave are coming.

Anybody else want to break away from Honey-do's or sleeping in & join us?

We don't want to have all this fun without you. Trust me ... we will ... but we don't "want to". :)

:cheers:

[Flash68]

So..... Your implication is that I, at least, have a car I can actually drive?? Just sayin'.....


Hahahahahahaha a



Oh yeah! That's not going to buff out is it?

Nice changing of the subject.... Rob is right - your river of hypocrisy is running pretty deep right now. :twak:

I mean, no one blames you. Why would you buy a track car and not wanna at least go fast(er)? :D

[Ron Sutton]

I am wondering about running the A6's (autocross tires)
on the race track.. it was always my understanding that
they heated up quicker but will not sustain the longer runs
of heat required by the race track and 20 minute sessions

Heat cycling always help the tire last longer but not sure
if that type of heat cycling will work... I do understand
that race slicks have several compounds from soft to hard
just wondering about the A6's??

Ron or anyone had any experience with them

Panteracer Norcal Bob

Was hoping to be going to Optima in Oregon that weekend


WE are trying the A6 because of the tire temp measurements of the R6's when running Thunderhill.

We ARE not racing.... and I'm certainly no race car driver.... a real race car driver would most certainly generate too much heat... but I don't. I also have a complete set of R6's mounted on another set of wheels -- so if the temps tells us the A6 is getting too hot... a simple switch will be made. WE are doing this based on the science of our own measurements, rather than, what someone told someone else's buddy one time.

The tire pressures I WAS using were near but not close enough... actual measurements of the tire temps and ending pressures etc gave us the info needed to set the tires right. Now - that's the new numbers being used instead of just kinda sorta someone else is using X pressure.

I have quite a bit of experience running and/or testing most of the Hoosier tire line. In addition to being a great autocross tire, the A6's are a great track tire as long as you don't over heat them. And by overheat them I mean run them at 230°+ for several laps. That would shorten their life considerably.

What I saw at the track was ... by the end of the weekend ... Greg was driving the hot rod at 90-95% ... braking moderately ... being smooth with the throttle, braking & steering ... which all keeps the tires happy ... and cooler. As he pushed the car harder & ran those 2.08-2.10 lap times, the tires came back in the mid-to-high 160° range.

Another part of the reason for cooler temps is the track sessions are short ... 20 minutes ... about 9 laps. Frankly, it takes a couple laps for the R6's to really come in. So for 2 of the 9 laps you need to be more conservative.

Greg will have better braking on the car for Sonoma, so the rotor temps coming up will also increase the tire temps. I think that plus the softer compound will put us 20-30° higher temps with the A6's ... putting them in the 180-190° range ... which is right in their sweet spot. And these tires will warm up quicker & provide grip the driver can be confident in MUCH earlier in a session.

Greg's goal is to have more fun. IMHO, if you tow your hot rod all the way to the track and run 4 sessions of 9 laps ... 36 laps ... and we can make 8 of those laps more fun (with more grip) ... that achieves the goal. The A6's will wear quicker than R6's, but when you factor in all the cost to go run a track day, it's minor compared to having 22% more "fun."

That's the reason I suggested A6's for Greg's Hot Rod.


:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Nice changing of the subject.... Rob is right - your river of hypocrisy is running pretty deep right now. :twak:

I mean, no one blames you. Why would you buy a track car and not wanna at least go fast(er)? :D



Oh --- I know I'm eating my words.... but I still have to sling arrows while ducking for cover don't I?


I really didn't bring Ron in to go faster... Rather - to make the car EASIER to drive -- which happens to equate into going faster.

I think my points have always been mistaken as "I could care less" --- which is only partly true....

What IS true - is that I have never been willing to mess with stuff I know NOTHING about -- And I've been around just barely long enough to know that most people that THINK they know what they're doing - DON'T. Therefore -- I'd prefer to do nothing - than I would mess up what I know I already have.

Once Ron was willing - and able - to become part of the team... NOW I'm ready to do what he recommends. Once the car is as dialed in as I want to take it... there will be very little if any changes. The whole thing with Ron is to get the car to an acceptable race ready point - and go back to sitting on my ass.

Having TWO cars made all of this abundantly clear to me that one of them wasn't up to snuff - and the other is so much faster - that it needed to be made safer and easier.


Funny what I've learned already --- which is the OPPOSITE of what LOGIC would have told me to do.... i.e., my brake compound may need to be LESS aggressive rather than MORE aggressive... This is funny because most guys have to go for "MORE" is better and BIGGER is better... and I'm learning that it's more about what's RIGHT. Kinda like a camshaft. Once a guy learns that the cam needs only do what it's intended purpose is -- the "bigger is better" goes right out the window.

This is where a real pro like Ron comes into play. We'll get it right - rather than just toss a bunch of big name expensive parts at it, and then wonder why it still doesn't work...

[GregWeld]

AND THIS, MY FRIENDS, IS THE KIND OF SCIENCE THAT'S WORTH PAYING FOR. Because for me -- WHO KNEW??? Ron Sutton is who knew!!!











I have quite a bit of experience running and/or testing most of the Hoosier tire line. In addition to being a great autocross tire, the A6's are a great track tire as long as you don't over heat them. And by overheat them I mean run them at 230°+ for several laps. That would shorten their life considerably.

What I saw at the track was ... by the end of the weekend ... Greg was driving the hot rod at 90-95% ... braking moderately ... being smooth with the throttle, braking & steering ... which all keeps the tires happy ... and cooler. As he pushed the car harder & ran those 2.08-2.10 lap times, the tires came back in the mid-to-high 160° range.

Another part of the reason for cooler temps is the track sessions are short ... 20 minutes ... about 9 laps. Frankly, it takes a couple laps for the R6's to really come in. So for 2 of the 9 laps you need to be more conservative.

Greg will have better braking on the car for Sonoma, so the rotor temps coming up will also increase the tire temps. I think that plus the softer compound will put us 20-30° higher temps with the A6's ... putting them in the 180-190° range ... which is right in their sweet spot. And these tires will warm up quicker & provide grip the driver can be confident in MUCH earlier in a session.

Greg's goal is to have more fun. IMHO, if you tow your hot rod all the way to the track and run 4 sessions of 9 laps ... 36 laps ... and we can make 8 of those laps more fun (with more grip) ... that achieves the goal. The A6's will wear quicker than R6's, but when you factor in all the cost to go run a track day, it's minor compared to having 22% more "fun."

That's the reason I suggested A6's for Greg's Hot Rod.


:cheers:

[Flash68]

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[GregWeld]

Did you ever get the orange stain out of your fingers??


That probably needs to go away before the baby comes...



I'd suggest soaking in straight bleach and Simple Green... You can do that with the mixture in a dish or small bowl (think of MADGE commercials) while eating Bon-Bons and watch your daytime soaps.

[LM7_67]

Cool,

So Jeff & Dave are coming.

Anybody else want to break away from Honey-do's or sleeping in & join us?

We don't want to have all this fun without you. Trust me ... we will ... but we don't "want to". :)

:cheers:

You guys need to come more south!

[Track Junky]

You guys need to come more south!

Buttonwillow with NCRC in September :thumbsup:

[intocarss]

Buttonwillow with NCRC in September :thumbsup:We should be there testing some new suspension mods on the truck

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Well then.... those pics pretty much explain the automatic....



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMG those are hysterical!





We should be there testing some new suspension mods on the truck

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

We should be there testing some new suspension mods on the truck

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:lol: Nice. You going to make it out in September Jer?

[Sieg]

We should be there testing some new suspension mods on the truck

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Priceless Dawger! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

WHO KNEW???

Gaetano probably knew. Todd, too.

He!!, just ask 'em. :D

We should be there testing some new suspension mods on the truck

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Did you install your B&M Megashifter in there yet? :popcorn2:

[intocarss]

Well then.... those pics pretty much explain the automatic....



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMG those are hysterical! No more speed secrets for you

Priceless Dawger! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Did you install your B&M Megashifter in there yet? :popcorn2: Nope, I installed a B&M Rachet shifter :)

[intocarss]

:lol: Nice. You going to make it out in September Jer?

I sure am planning on it :rules:

[GregWeld]

Greg's goal is to have more fun. IMHO, if you tow your hot rod all the way to the track and run 4 sessions of 9 laps ... 36 laps ... and we can make 8 of those laps more fun (with more grip) ... that achieves the goal. The A6's will wear quicker than R6's, but when you factor in all the cost to go run a track day, it's minor compared to having 22% more "fun."

That's the reason I suggested A6's for Greg's Hot Rod.


:cheers:



Guys forget about what the actual cost is for me to run a track day weekend in California... that's a roughly 1500 mile round trip in "the rig"... so fuel down and back is $1000 just in truck fuel.

Two cars with two drivers - entry fees another $1000

Race gas = $600ish

Cheeseballs = $5

Ron Sutton = PRICELESS



Tires are just consumables... ditto brakes. While they're not giving these away... they ARE just all part of the fun. Fun, to me, means being able to go out and run @ 80 or 90% and be able to KEEP UP with the pack. I don't have the DNA (anymore) that says I have to lead the pack... I just want to go out and run and keep up, and pass some guys, while others pass me.

These weekends are made SPECIAL by seeing my friends... dishing crap... (that's free).... LEARNING.... which to me is always important. If I hoover (or should this be changed to HOOSIER?) thru an extra set of tires and pads - so be it.

[Track Junky]

I sure am planning on it :rules:

Wouldn't be the same without you buddy. Come out. have some fun, and maybe we'll learn a little something while were at it. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

This all sounds so scientific, like somebody tuning a car. I thought you just got in and drove :slingshot: :lmao:




I reserve the right to change my game plan at any time - in order to be in front of your sorry boat anchor <lest I never live it down>.


Please hurry! I've had 5 more birthdays since your motor was dyno'd... Remember! Change your oil ANNUALLY if letting a motor sit. And rotate it by hand so that the valve springs aren't taking a set. If you plan to let the motor sit for more than a few months (already past due!) back all the rockers off to allow the springs to be free.

[Panteracer]

Ron thanks for the info on the tires
I started in the auto crossing world and changed
over about 12 years ago with Chet's mustang
(My old car) then went to the Pantera

I had custom alignment set the mustang up and
just drove it. Very easy car to run as it would go
anywhere on the track

The Pantera took a little while to dial in and
is not as easy to drive and I am sure could
be better but still not bad for a street car

Pantera racer NorCal Bob

[intocarss]

Wouldn't be the same without you buddy. Come out. have some fun, and maybe we'll learn a little something while were at it. :thumbsup:

Sounds good

[rustomatic]

Somebody had to complete the quote: "I unfriend you." There. It's very specifically contextual, so if you don't get it, watch more TV.

That's not how this works......that's not how any of this works!

Dan

[Ron Sutton]

Somebody had to complete the quote: "I unfriend you." There. It's very specifically contextual, so if you don't get it, watch more TV.

LOL. Love that commercial.

[Ron Sutton]

Ron thanks for the info on the tires
I started in the auto crossing world and changed
over about 12 years ago with Chet's mustang
(My old car) then went to the Pantera

I had custom alignment set the mustang up and
just drove it. Very easy car to run as it would go
anywhere on the track

The Pantera took a little while to dial in and
is not as easy to drive and I am sure could
be better but still not bad for a street car

Pantera racer NorCal Bob

You're welcome Bob.

Isn't that interesting. Most folks would think the Pantera would be easy to drive fast. But I find things often are not what they appear.

[glassman]

I cant think of a better way of spending my 48th bday than wadding up my blue car in turn 3. But seriously, this sounds like a great bday gift to me!!!
Cause I'm hooked, would love to have a cage for the next one though....,

[GregWeld]

I cant think of a better way of spending my 48th bday than wadding up my blue car in turn 3. But seriously, this sounds like a great bday gift to me!!!
Cause I'm hooked, would love to have a cage for the next one though....,



At Sonoma -- there's many more turns than just T3 that can bite a guy. Pete and I have both spun in T7... I leave the paint from the wall on the car as a reminder of how not to go into that turn...

There's the wall on your left at T11 -- pretty high speed and a passing zone for our group -- then the wall on your left at T12 EXIT... it can be good for a scrape... if you're running NASCAR close or just loose it a little... And last time I was there my run group at the time (red) had two cars totaled in two different sessions out of T6 AKA "The Carousel"... one was a modified weird Porsche with a crappy driver (I'd ran with him before and he SUCKED)... and one was a brand spanking new Shelby GT500 that hadn't even gotten his license plate yet!

Show respect - and unlike me - don't think your f'n Parnelli Jones - and you'll L O V E this track... and have a fantastic time.

Peronally - I'm surprised you're not going to Hot August Nights.

[Ron Sutton]

I cant think of a better way of spending my 48th bday than wadding up my blue car in turn 3. But seriously, this sounds like a great bday gift to me!!!
Cause I'm hooked, would love to have a cage for the next one though....,

Sweet. Glad you're joining us Mike.


Sonoma is a very cool, fun & challenging track to drive. Don't drive over your head & it will be a blast.


:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

At Sonoma -- there's many more turns than just T3 that can bite a guy. Pete and I have both spun in T7... I leave the paint from the wall on the car as a reminder of how not to go into that turn...

There's the wall on your left at T11 -- pretty high speed and a passing zone for our group -- then the wall on your left at T12 EXIT... it can be good for a scrape... if you're running NASCAR close or just loose it a little... And last time I was there my run group at the time (red) had two cars totaled in two different sessions out of T6 AKA "The Carousel"... one was a modified weird Porsche with a crappy driver (I'd ran with him before and he SUCKED)... and one was a brand spanking new Shelby GT500 that hadn't even gotten his license plate yet!

Show respect - and unlike me - don't think your f'n Parnelli Jones - and you'll L O V E this track... and have a fantastic time.


True-true-true.

[glassman]

At Sonoma -- there's many more turns than just T3 that can bite a guy. Pete and I have both spun in T7... I leave the paint from the wall on the car as a reminder of how not to go into that turn...

There's the wall on your left at T11 -- pretty high speed and a passing zone for our group -- then the wall on your left at T12 EXIT... it can be good for a scrape... if you're running NASCAR close or just loose it a little... And last time I was there my run group at the time (red) had two cars totaled in two different sessions out of T6 AKA "The Carousel"... one was a modified weird Porsche with a crappy driver (I'd ran with him before and he SUCKED)... and one was a brand spanking new Shelby GT500 that hadn't even gotten his license plate yet!

Show respect - and unlike me - don't think your f'n Parnelli Jones - and you'll L O V E this track... and have a fantastic time.

Peronally - I'm surprised you're not going to Hot August Nights.

I've never been to Hot August nites before, my mother in law live up there and works the event every year and was hopin this year will be the first, but my bday shares with my lil sister and my brothers is three days later. I'm actually supposed to be in Bend that weekend celebrating. I would much rather be driving it at high speed than walking around a parking lot looking at everybody else's trophies. I mean, that's fun too, but I'd rather be behind the wheel,much rather.

[glassman]

Sweet. Glad you're joining us Mike.


Sonoma is a very cool, fun & challenging track to drive. Don't drive over your head & it will be a blast.


:cheers:




Smooth is the word that comes too mind.

[GregWeld]

Dear Mike,



This might be very appropriate.....




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[glassman]

Hahahaha! Or "un".....hey, I think spotted my Trailblazer in the backround, ask me how I noticed the back round lol? Btw, wat was she singing about? Wooof!

[GregWeld]

Want you guys to watch this video of driving lines for Sonoma....


Watch for T3 spin by the Outlaw car - Blue - This corner is a quick flick from T2 left-hander to a little inside off camber right-hander @ T3. I personally LOVE this corner (never can explain things like that -- some corners you just feel you have dialed in - and others you just never own 'em).


At 3:04 ish pay attention to trying to deep drive into T7.... and watch what happens as he tries to brake while turning into it.

Trust me --- this is EXACTLY what happened to me - when I'd come down out of the Carousel (T6) and got a LATE point by just coming into T6 corner worker station... I jammed down a gear (love that Jerico!) unsettling the rear end - WOT quickly to juice it around the guy and then found myself AT the turn -- needing to turn AND brake from a higher entry speed than "normal".... so you straighten it out because there is plenty of tarmac there ------ but now MARBLE CITY! And around you go! Now looking at the headlights of the ahole you just smartly blew by... while his eyes are big as dinner plates... and you're crapping yourself... feeling like the moron rookie (that you are).




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[67XR7]

highly doubt my car will be ready but its only 10 min from my house.

Any other ford guys going to run at the ASCS for Hot august nights should make the few hour drive after the ASCS race ends friday in Reno.

Weld, Is there anyway you could talk to the shelby club and see if you could get them to turn the other cheek? let some non-fords come and run? and extend an Invite to Bill Howels caravan that will only be a few hours away? Im sure those guys wouldnt mind taking the quick trip down to run their cars at Sonoma before heading back home.

[GregWeld]

highly doubt my car will be ready but its only 10 min from my house.

Any other ford guys going to run at the ASCS for Hot august nights should make the few hour drive after the ASCS race ends friday in Reno.

Weld, Is there anyway you could talk to the shelby club and see if you could get them to turn the other cheek? let some non-fords come and run? and extend an Invite to Bill Howels caravan that will only be a few hours away? Im sure those guys wouldnt mind taking the quick trip down to run their cars at Sonoma before heading back home.



I would try to talk to them - but this is the MINI NATS - which is a big event for the club - and they didn't even used to allow anything other than Mustangs etc for the event. It will be sold out and packed with cars... So I don't think they're going to want to do anything like that.

[Track Junky]

I don't want to miss this one so I checked registration and it hasn't opened yet. Looks like a great event.

[Sieg]

I don't want to miss this one so I checked registration and it hasn't opened yet. Looks like a great event.

Where's the "Like" button when you need it! :sieg:

[rustomatic]

Okay, so I'm there for Saturday.

Or: First!

Yeah, I'm 12...

I will now go and try to figure out what an apex is by August...

Anyone going to Goodguys in Pleasanton on Saturday, or Marina on Sunday? I'm planning to destroy my tires the rest of the way on the 31st and 1st...

[GregWeld]

Okay, so I'm there for Saturday.

Or: First!

Yeah, I'm 12...

I will now go and try to figure out what an apex is by August...

Anyone going to Goodguys in Pleasanton on Saturday, or Marina on Sunday? I'm planning to destroy my tires the rest of the way on the 31st and 1st...




If you don't come over and find us and say hello so we can dump on you in person -- I'll hunt you down and take your bearing grease.

[Track Junky]

Registration is open now?

[craig510]

Okay, so I'm there for Saturday.

Or: First!

Yeah, I'm 12...

I will now go and try to figure out what an apex is by August...

Anyone going to Goodguys in Pleasanton on Saturday, or Marina on Sunday? I'm planning to destroy my tires the rest of the way on the 31st and 1st...


I'll be running Goodguys both days even if I don't get to sleep Friday night putting my car back together.

[rustomatic]

I will make a point of greeting you with a greasy hand, Mr. Weld. I might even let you feel the dents on my car...

If you don't come over and find us and say hello so we can dump on you in person -- I'll hunt you down and take your bearing grease.

[rustomatic]

Glad to hear it, Craig. I'll make sure and bring along an extra-large coffee on Saturday (and drink it myself). They'll probably make me park off in the boonies between runs, but we'll definitely have to see who has the highest car, and get the photo-op. Unless you got a paint job . . . no, mine will still be the ugly winner...

I'll look forward to being beaten by another Falcon of the very same vintage. That will be a kind of cool normally reserved for legions of Mustang and Camaro owners...

I'll be running Goodguys both days even if I don't get to sleep Friday night putting my car back together.

[rustomatic]

Registration was open last night--I was just hammered enough to immediately register when the link that indicated otherwise turned into a registration link...

And then I told my wife, who registered no surprise...

They still haven't changed the look of the link yet, but it's open. There needs to be at least one Camaro there...

On a side note, I don't understand this icon: :getout: .

Registration is open now?

[GregWeld]

Alright -- despite being in a "view point / rest area" somewhere east of Seattle -- in the rig on my way over to SV ---- I registered both cars for both days -- GREEN group -- for Siegmeister and myself.


Yippppppeeeeeeee I can hardly wait! Maybe I should just turn south - go down to Sonoma and just sit and wait??

[GregWeld]

I will make a point of greeting you with a greasy hand, Mr. Weld. I might even let you feel the dents on my car...



I'll bring a hammer and dolly -- I used to be a body man. LOL

[GregWeld]

Registration is open now?




YEAH BUDDY!!!


And this event sells out!

[Track Junky]

YEAH BUDDY!!!


And this event sells out!

Sweet!! I'm registered. Bringing my boys. Hope they let me come in half way through the parade laps so I can take them both around the track.

[Sieg]

Sweet!! I'm registered. Bringing my boys. Hope they let me come in half way through the parade laps so I can take them both around the track.

Atta Boy! :thumbsup:

[Payton King]

So...if a man were wanting to come out for the weekend and then have the wife fly out on a Monday to spend a few days in wine country and visit a few wineries, where would be a good place to stay and places to go?

[Chassisworks]

I will probably be there. I'll hitch a ride with Kevin Sittner most likely and help out a bit. No seat time for me. I'll mosey around and say hello.

Ron: This is my favorite track, too. However, I have only lapped it on various bikes. I do not have a track worthy car. Well, I do not have a track worthy budget. Fine, fine, it's the budget-disapproving wife! :D

Side note: I find it interesting that you guys refer to T2 as a slight left and T3 as a flat to off camber right at the top of the hill. To us knee-draggers T2 is the dial-a-slide right at the top of the hill and 3a/3 is the left-right that dips then rises to a crest.

[Sieg]

Great to hear Carl! :thumbsup:

It's starting to look like a Lat-G Mini-Nationals get together. :D

I'm assuming this is the configuration we'll be running:

http://www.trackpedia.com/mediawiki/images/0/08/InfineonRaceway.jpg

Would appreciate input regarding the key collection areas. :drive:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Great to hear Carl! :thumbsup:

It's starting to look like a Lat-G Mini-Nationals get together. :D

I'm assuming this is the configuration we'll be running:

http://www.trackpedia.com/mediawiki/images/0/08/InfineonRaceway.jpg

Would appreciate input regarding the key collection areas. :drive:

Most of the wall scar collection sites I have seen are at 9 and 10 and most of the collect "each other" are 11 and 2.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

i was there for this crash during practice.

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[Sieg]

Most of the wall scar collection sites I have seen are at 9 and 10 and most of the collect "each other" are 11 and 2.

....and GW trophies in 7.......:sieg:


:popcorn2:

[Track Junky]

Lots of good memories. Think the last time I ran at Sonoma was in 06.
Got bumped sideways once in 5 by a buddy of mine, recovered smoothly and kept going.
Passed 3 cars from the inside of 7a heading toward 8 with two wheels off on the passenger side cause I was fired up I wasn't making the lap times I wanted. Took a rash of crap from one of the guys I passed in the paddock for that one. Same day ran a best 1:56 and through a rod bearing doing it. :headspin:

[Ron in SoCal]

Lots of good memories. Think the last time I ran at Sonoma was in 06.
Got bumped sideways once in 5 by a buddy of mine, recovered smoothly and kept going.
Passed 3 cars from the inside of 7a heading toward 8 with two wheels off on the passenger side cause I was fired up I wasn't making the lap times I wanted. Took a rash of crap from one of the guys I passed in the paddock for that one. Same day ran a best 1:56 and through a rod bearing doing it. :headspin:

Your best post ever G :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Lots of good memories. Think the last time I ran at Sonoma was in 06.
Got bumped sideways once in 5 by a buddy of mine, recovered smoothly and kept going.
Passed 3 cars from the inside of 7a heading toward 8 with two wheels off on the passenger side cause I was fired up I wasn't making the lap times I wanted. Took a rash of crap from one of the guys I passed in the paddock for that one. Same day ran a best 1:56 and through a rod bearing doing it. :headspin:






Good thing all NON-CLUB members must run Yellow Group.

[GregWeld]

So...if a man were wanting to come out for the weekend and then have the wife fly out on a Monday to spend a few days in wine country and visit a few wineries, where would be a good place to stay and places to go?



Payton ---


On a "medium budget" --- Maison Fleurie..... Super cute -- walk to everything... small... showing some age but I'd stay there in a heartbeat.

NOTE -- ONLY THE BAKERY BUILDING -- GROUND FLOOR... don't get one of the minuscule rooms upstairs!


http://www.maisonfleurienapa.com


On my budget and where we stay when we are there -- The Meadowood.


You can pretend your newlyweds and do all the stuff that ya shoulda done back then... Take her here and you'll stay married no matter what you do in the future.


http://www.meadowood.com




Around the track -- there's tons of places within a short drive.


Sorry - The Rig (best place on the west coast!) is sold out.

[GregWeld]

Great to hear Carl! :thumbsup:

It's starting to look like a Lat-G Mini-Nationals get together. :D

I'm assuming this is the configuration we'll be running:

http://www.trackpedia.com/mediawiki/images/0/08/InfineonRaceway.jpg

Would appreciate input regarding the key collection areas. :drive:



#1 -- I "THINK" we run the short T7 version and I "think" the picture is long T7 version. OUR T7 is basically one big looped turn... You don't try to make a double apex out of it - that's the newb way around.


#2 -- FOR EVERYONE -- there are always open track primers you should read - that are just good general driving info - in fact they should be mandatory IMHO.

http://www.norcal-saac.org/ot/primer.pdf


#3 -- Track TUTORIALS


Video is okay -- but reading and digesting each corner sticks with you more. Again this is just IMHO.


http://www.norcal-saac.org/ot/sears.pdf

[Track Junky]

Good thing all NON-CLUB members must run Yellow Group.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Nice try Greg

[Track Junky]

Few pics from Sonoma back in the day. I think the first one is 7a

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/1969%20Camaro%20At%20Infineon%20Raceway/InfineonRaceway2006001.jpg

2nd one is turn 9

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/1969%20Camaro%20At%20Infineon%20Raceway/InfineonRaceway2006003-1.jpg

Turn 2

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/1969%20Camaro%20At%20Infineon%20Raceway/24c5482a-137f-4b43-90f7-bbad3bd1b8b5.jpg

One of my favorites. Turn 2 with the Sunoco sign

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/1969%20Camaro%20At%20Infineon%20Raceway/4167015b-dc07-4bc3-aed5-702304344f41.jpg

[rustomatic]

I've begun studying:

1. I watched some videos from that purple '67 fastback ("512"). That car just seems like it's playing with everyone. I'll hope to see it in person. I want to get all up in its 3-link.

2. I had to watch some footage of Michael Eisenberg's (sorry if I butchered spelling, but hey, he gets yellow Konis, and mine are only red) most awesome black 1963 Falcon ever (same vintage as mine and Craig's). He's got 110 horsies on me, and takes people down--more importantly, that car is just awesome. I need a more reasonable rear end gear, but oh well. People are starving somewhere...

I've only been to Sonoma/Sears Point/Infineon to watch bikes (AMA Superbikes & Supermoto). I've never even been there for a car event, but I have an in-law who does the NASCAR thing there; we really only talk at X-Mas. I don't even really know what to call the place now, but I think Cortex has a shop there, so maybe we should just call it that...

[Flash68]

Your best post ever G :thumbsup:

Nah. He has had some much better ones when he was drinking that were later deleted. :lol:

Good thing all NON-CLUB members must run Yellow Group.

Elitist.

So...if a man were wanting to come out for the weekend and then have the wife fly out on a Monday to spend a few days in wine country and visit a few wineries, where would be a good place to stay and places to go?

Check out http://www.fairmont.com/sonoma/ too. You can find deals for there (much more likely for weekdays as you are considering). I think your wifey would love it.

As far as wineries, it is generally best to pick an area and then plan a mix of wineries in that cluster to hit. Some really killer places up north off the beaten path like Calistoga that have much less traffic (tourists and otherwise).

We can talk more after you make your flight arrangements. :D

If Schwarz doesn't come up make him work on your flares. :guns:

[GregWeld]

So...if a man were wanting to come out for the weekend and then have the wife fly out on a Monday to spend a few days in wine country and visit a few wineries, where would be a good place to stay and places to go?




Payton ---


HOST HOTEL near track.....


Embassy Suites
101 McInnis Parkway
415-499-9222

[Richio1]

So...if a man were wanting to come out for the weekend and then have the wife fly out on a Monday to spend a few days in wine country and visit a few wineries, where would be a good place to stay and places to go?

Lots of good input already. I'm local (Napa) and know people :unibrow: so we can hook you up. Just depends what you want. So many great wineries and restaurants its hard to go wrong but everyone likes a little something different. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk about.

[GregWeld]

Quintessa is a beautiful winery - not to mention excellent stuff... You need to make an appointment there and they offer lunch tours etc. If you need help there - I'm a rather "good" customer... and can certainly make a call for you.


Pahlmeyer doesn't do tastings - great wine but no go on the visitors...


One of the most interesting buildings and stories... is Nickel and Nickel. Their wines are crazy complicated because they do single vineyard bottling and I think there's like 29 or so... So you can't just go by the BRAND... Some we like - some we think suck.


Kapcsandy is in Yountville.... they do some unfiltered stuff that needs to be handled a little differently than your average bottle of wine...


We like Duckhorn... but I've never been to their winery



If you feel like you really want to step up your game...


Araujo and Colgin Estate.... bring a wheelbarrow... but they're yummy and worth the price.


Caymus is another one that Gwen likes....


And probably the rarest hardest to get wine in our cellar is REVANA


We also have a lot of Stag's Leap Wine Cellars in the cellar... it's good drinkable wine that's "reasonable" given what Gwen likes... and they are always having sales with ONE PENNY shipping - which I like to take advantage of.


I don't drink... but used to (30 years in AA now)... and we have a small cellar with about 1600 bottles in it... Gwen and her friends like their wine! I don't know much but I have a good nose. I can go to a tasting and smell the stuff and tell her which one she's going to want to buy. The cellar is all about "inventory" so she's drinking '06's or '07's when the stores are selling '09's and '10's stomped yesterday. LOL

She cooks with wine - sometimes she even puts some in the food.

WINE! It's how classy people get wasted!


ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE NAPA VALLEY


Then if you want to have a little fun -- and try your hand at driving a twisty --- jump over the "Oakville Grade Rd" to see B.R. Cohn in the SONOMA Valley. Bruce Cohn is a hot rodder and a buddy and he is owner of the winery.... and also just happens to be the manager of the Doobie Brothers... lots of guitars and pics of stuff there besides just wine stuff.

[Ron Sutton]

She cooks with wine - sometimes she even puts some in the food.

WINE! It's how classy people get wasted!


Oh those are funny. :lmao:

[Payton King]

So Greg, is there anything you do not know about? You may be the only person I know with an extensive wine knowledge that has been going to AA for 30.

My hopes of going are fading fast. Have an employee out the week after and my wife has scheduled a mountian trip the week before, should have gotten this on the calendar much, much quicker.

I will try and come out for the next big event.

[GregWeld]

So Greg, is there anything you do not know about? You may be the only person I know with an extensive wine knowledge that has been going to AA for 30.

My hopes of going are fading fast. Have an employee out the week after and my wife has scheduled a mountian trip the week before, should have gotten this on the calendar much, much quicker.

I will try and come out for the next big event.





I'm truly sorry you won't make this event! But it IS an annual event... and with a bit more planning - maybe a group of us can do the event and then bomb around the wine country together.


I know NOTHING about Suspension - Shocks - tires... I've never looked inside an automatic transmission...


:D



I really don't know anything about wine except what GWEN and her pals like to drink... and the names I listed there are what's in our wine cellar from that area. I've been to them - I do ALL of the buying... I've smelled them all and know which ones I'd like. Other than that - that's it as far as wine knowledge.

I like to buy wine and lay it up.... figure 300 plus bottles per year consumption -- 5 year lay up period -- so a guy needs some "inventory". We're not into buying "flights" - to me that's a giant waste of time - one bottle of one year? That's not enjoying wine - that's collecting for collecting sake... around my dump - the wine gets served until the last man hollers uncle... It's like cars - they're built to be driven - wine is bought to be drank. :disgusted: :D

[Payton King]

I miss the days my wife use to drink wine out of a box...her taste is much more expensive now.

From the labels listed, I'm coming to your house for drinks if that is your everyday stuff. LOL

I am going to do better planning next time, I really want to come out to an event in CA. I will have to live vicariously through all that will be there.

May have to bring back the "text train"

[67XR7]

So...if a man were wanting to come out for the weekend and then have the wife fly out on a Monday to spend a few days in wine country and visit a few wineries, where would be a good place to stay and places to go?

not big on wine but these are the two we visit every now and then and so far everyone I have recommended has been very happy.


http://www.castellodiamorosa.com/



make sure you take the cable trolly to the top, and see the view: http://www.sterlingvineyards.com/home



look forward to seeing everybody there. keep a look for me, I'll be the only one pushing a stroller with an 18month old making car noises.

[rustomatic]

Just to remind folks, this event's now less than a month away (registration may still have spots available, but maybe not). In the mean time, I've changed so much crap on my car in the last month that I'm now afraid to drive it. I'll try not to show up with tires that are too new...

[Ron Sutton]

Just to remind folks, this event's now less than a month away (registration may still have spots available, but maybe not). In the mean time, I've changed so much crap on my car in the last month that I'm now afraid to drive it. I'll try not to show up with tires that are too new...

I'm looking forward to this event. The gang had a blast at Thunderhill & a few more guys & cars are joining us ... so more fun !

:cheers:

[Track Junky]

Just to remind folks, this event's now less than a month away (registration may still have spots available, but maybe not). In the mean time, I've changed so much crap on my car in the last month that I'm now afraid to drive it. I'll try not to show up with tires that are too new...

I'm looking forward to this event. The gang had a blast at Thunderhill & a few more guys & cars are joining us ... so more fun !

:cheers:




See you guys there :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

See you guys there :thumbsup:




Yeah --- but are you bringing a car to drive in the event? LOL

[GregWeld]

There's 143 Cars registered so far.... If they run a BLUE group (fastest driver /car combo which are considered RACE CARS) they usually keep each group (4 groups) to 35 cars... so that's 140 total.

There's 18 cars registered in BLUE group.... and a few Shelby/Mustangs registered for "Parade laps".... so it's going to be a full house. The car show should be packed!

[Track Junky]

Yeah --- but are you bringing a car to drive in the event? LOL

Damn, you ride me harder than my wife does :lol:

I'm 99% sure the dizzy was the issue. Going to drop it in today and find out for sure. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

There's 143 Cars registered so far.... If they run a BLUE group (fastest driver /car combo which are considered RACE CARS) they usually keep each group (4 groups) to 35 cars... so that's 140 total.

There's 18 cars registered in BLUE group.... and a few Shelby/Mustangs registered for "Parade laps".... so it's going to be a full house. The car show should be packed!

Greg, if there are fewer cars in the blue group we should try and switch over.

[GregWeld]

Greg, if there are fewer cars in the blue group we should try and switch over.




Just NO.


I'm not qualified to drive in Blue group.... Those driver/car combos are smokin' fast. I'm not ready for that yet.

[Track Junky]

Just NO.


I'm not qualified to drive in Blue group.... Those driver/car combos are smokin' fast. I'm not ready for that yet.

I don't agree. 2:08 is a respectful lap time for that car at T-Hill. Either way its an option........

[GregWeld]

I don't agree. 2:08 is a respectful lap time for that car at T-Hill. Either way its an option........




Yeah but.... I was scared.


LOL

[glassman]

So whos on the Lat-g roster for dis here event this weekend?

Ima hopin, not signed up though, to be there as the cars apart right now havin the roll bar installed. Naturally a week overdue, hopefully done tomorrow then the interior can go back together and i can make a saturday run up there to watch some of u run...It'll be hard being on the sidelines though.....

[67XR7]

I'll be there, wife is out of town for the weekend so me and my 20 mo. old boy are gonna head out for a bit in the morning. I'm sure he'll love it, hes always stealing my PHR magazine and flipping through the pages making car noises.

Then a local RIB and chilli cook off in the afternoon.

Cars & Meat sounds like a total guys weekend to me. too bad giving beer to a 20 mo old is frowned upon or else the weekend would be complete!

[Ron Sutton]

So far I know it's Greg Weld, Greg from Australia, Ron Myers, Sieg, Dave Gordon & me.

I think Gaetano is coming.

I don't know who else ??

[Track Junky]

I was going to go but then I heard Weld was going to be there so I pulled out. :action-smiley-027:

[mdprovee]

I was going to go also, but I just finished the Evolution Autocross school, and I want to try out my new knowledge at Crows Landing Sat. & Sun. You guys have fun!!

[rustomatic]

I'll be there. I've got some new tires (in my favorite high-speed 15-inch size) to destroy, hopefully four at a time...

[GregWeld]

I was going to go but then I heard Weld was going to be there so I pulled out. :action-smiley-027:




YOUR DADDY SHOULDA PULLED OUT.....

[GregWeld]

I'll be there, wife is out of town for the weekend so me and my 20 mo. old boy are gonna head out for a bit in the morning. I'm sure he'll love it, hes always stealing my PHR magazine and flipping through the pages making car noises.

Then a local RIB and chilli cook off in the afternoon.

Cars & Meat sounds like a total guys weekend to me. too bad giving beer to a 20 mo old is frowned upon or else the weekend would be complete!



We have garages -- so you can get out of the sun... and I have the toterhome if you need to microwave - or sit in A/C - Or you want to watch Barney or Sesame Street videos... Sieg always bring those with him.

[Flash68]

YOUR DADDY SHOULDA PULLED OUT.....

His Daddy still thinks he did.... :popcorn2:

[Sieg]

Or you want to watch Barney or Sesame Street videos... Sieg always bring those with him. :twak:

[Track Junky]

YOUR DADDY SHOULDA PULLED OUT.....

:lol: See ya there buddy :thumbsup:

[rustomatic]

All cat fights aside, I did notice some big-deal signups for Saturday, including Maier and Cortex (Mike and Filip). These represent very cool, highly developed Mustangs, and this time around, I should actually have time to appreciate the scenery, and maybe witness the catfighting in person...

I also saw Mike Musto on the list--he's the Web TV car guy, right? Cool. We've all probably seen his show...

As yet, I seem to have the only Falcon signed up, representing what might very well be the worst paint on the track. Better now than later. Heck yeah!

[Track Junky]

His Daddy still thinks he did.... :popcorn2:

Just be sure to bring the biggest bucket of popcorn you can find Dave..... and a comfortable cushion to sit on.........I think there giving 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place ribbons out for spectators now. :fluffy:

[Sieg]

Just be sure to bring the biggest bucket of popcorn you can find Dave..... and a comfortable cushion to sit on.........I think there giving 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place ribbons out for spectators now. :fluffy:
Certainly you meant Cheese Balls? :sieg:

[Track Junky]

Certainly you meant Cheese Balls? :sieg:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Flash68]

Just be sure to bring the biggest bucket of popcorn you can find Dave..... and a comfortable cushion to sit on.........I think there giving 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place ribbons out for spectators now. :fluffy:

Yeah I got Win, Place & Show all locked up in that category for now... just enjoy your time in the sun Mister. :D

Oh, and refill your bucket of excuses for those lap times.... that cup has runneth over. :stirthepot:

[Track Junky]

Yeah I got Win, Place & Show all locked up in that category for now... just enjoy your time in the sun Mister. :D

Oh, and refill your bucket of excuses for those lap times.... that cup has runneth over. :stirthepot:

We'll see who's cup spills over fastest with excuses when you get your 800 hp wide track beast on the track........
Expectations for a 600 hp stock subframe leaf spring car will be nothing compared to what lap times you will be expected to lay down :yes:

[Flash68]

All cat fights aside, I did notice some big-deal signups for Saturday, including Maier and Cortex (Mike and Filip).

You clearly missed the part where WELD is coming. It begins and ends with WELD.

Okay we're done here. :sieg:

We'll see who's cup spills over fastest with excuses when you get your 800 hp wide track beast on the track........
Expectations for a 600 hp stock subframe leaf spring car will be nothing compared to what lap times you will be expected to lay down :yes:

Why you gotta get all serious and dramatic.... come over and have a beer or 4. :lol:

:cheers:

[Track Junky]

Why you gotta get all serious and dramatic.... come over and have a beer or 4. :lol:

:cheers:

That's funny......the thought of posting the drama smiley crossed my mind before I hit submit reply :lol:

[Richio1]

Ugh... I am so bummed I have to miss this event with it right here in my own back yard. I drive past Sears Point 2x a day and have been looking forward to it since Thunder Hill... that I missed because the car was still in the shop.

I have had one issue after another getting the correct parts from Hurst DL for my TKO600 kit and Ridetech over the past 3-4 months. I wont go into details but it is the old - wrong parts in the order and the you need this part to make that part work scenario. With the shipping times back and forth we've killed almost 2 months.

The silver lining is I have a new TKO 600, new triple adjust RT front shocks and new RT control arms because the new FOX shocks don't fit the old control arms... but they didn't tell me that at first. :bang: I also have a new ECU and system controller now too. So we should be good to go.

Of course, I should have the car back later this week but with zero miles on the new clutch and tranny so I didn't pull the trigger on registering fearing this would happen. Now my wife has guilted me into going to Monterey & Santa Cruz this weekend so I wont see you guys. But I do get a nice weekend away at the beach.

I will be in Pleasanton for WCN's so look forward to seeing some of you there and I'm in on the next Norcal event for sure! Have fun boys and I will be checking in each night for play by play, spirited banter with Flash & Weld and pics.

[Flash68]

That SUCKS Jeff. Was really looking forward to meeting you finally and seeing your car.

Hopefully your upgrades are worth it.

[GregWeld]

Okay then --- I think we might have a new winner in the "Cup O'excuses" dash...with Gaetano now running a close second.

Not only did you jump to the lead you pulled a double off with a "Wifey" tossed in for good measure.


Jeff -- I was looking forward to a pretty good gathering of players... and would have liked to get together but we all have been there and we all understand. EVENTUALLY THOUGH you'll get your sh!t together and come whip us all and share a few good natured laughs.







Ugh... I am so bummed I have to miss this event with it right here in my own back yard. I drive past Sears Point 2x a day and have been looking forward to it since Thunder Hill... that I missed because the car was still in the shop.

I have had one issue after another getting the correct parts from Hurst DL for my TKO600 kit and Ridetech over the past 3-4 months. I wont go into details but it is the old - wrong parts in the order and the you need this part to make that part work scenario. With the shipping times back and forth we've killed almost 2 months.

The silver lining is I have a new TKO 600, new triple adjust RT front shocks and new RT control arms because the new FOX shocks don't fit the old control arms... but they didn't tell me that at first. :bang: I also have a new ECU and system controller now too. So we should be good to go.

Of course, I should have the car back later this week but with zero miles on the new clutch and tranny so I didn't pull the trigger on registering fearing this would happen. Now my wife has guilted me into going to Monterey & Santa Cruz this weekend so I wont see you guys. But I do get a nice weekend away at the beach.

I will be in Pleasanton for WCN's so look forward to seeing some of you there and I'm in on the next Norcal event for sure! Have fun boys and I will be checking in each night for play by play, spirited banter with Flash & Weld and pics.

[rustomatic]

Sorry--I forgot to mention the other "big deal:" Mr. Weld. This time, if I don't see The Weld, I will make sure to take a selfie standing next to his trailer/living room, so as to prove I tried...

On a side note, I received my "Stick, you B!tch!!!" stickers today, so my level of competence on the track will undoubtedly be elevated. Thank you to Mary Pozzi, by the way--I'll be sure to provide evidence from Sonoma/Infineon/SearsPoint/racewaytrack after the weekend...

[Richio1]

That SUCKS Jeff. Was really looking forward to meeting you finally and seeing your car.

Hopefully your upgrades are worth it.

Yeah it does. We'll hook up one of these days.

A new tranny, better shocks and better camber & caster set up on the new control arms are worth it... but come with a lighter wallet. To RT's credit, they did help me out on the pricing because of the issues.

Okay then --- I think we might have a new winner in the "Cup O'excuses" dash...with Gaetano now running a close second.

Not only did you jump to the lead you pulled a double off with a "Wifey" tossed in for good measure.


Jeff -- I was looking forward to a pretty good gathering of players... and would have liked to get together but we all have been there and we all understand. EVENTUALLY THOUGH you'll get your sh!t together and come whip us all and share a few good natured laughs.

I know, I know. If I cant lead at the track I can lead on the boards. LOL

Since I was at the Sonoma Nationals last week end, scoring a few points with the wifey will pay dividends in the future.

[GregWeld]

A short clip of me enjoying a couple laps in the little Loti!



I absolutely LOVE Sonoma Raceway --- everyone had a great time... weather was beautiful -- a bunch of Lat G guys showed up on Saturday and we all had a good time BS'n.





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[Track Junky]

Definitely a really good time. My co-worker Dana took alot of really good pics with shots of me and Greg and even the spin Pete got into in front of me and nearly collected me. Just got the flash drive this morning so I'll post them tonight.

[Richio1]

Definitely a really good time. My co-worker Dana took alot of really good pics with shots of me and Greg and even the spin Pete got into in front of me and nearly collected me. Just got the flash drive this morning so I'll post them tonight.

Looking forward to seeing them.

[GregWeld]

This is a buddy of Charley and mines... Pete.






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[Cris@JCG]

Stopped in a gas station to fill up about 2am on Saturday coming back from Portland & gave you a nice finger gesture along with all the damm mosquitos!

[Track Junky]

Greg and I in the mix

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[Track Junky]

Pete showing off his 360 skills
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[Track Junky]

Looking for a hole
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[Track Junky]

Passing on the inside of turn 12

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[GregWeld]

Passing on the inside of turn 12

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That's a pretty neat trick with Turn 11 being the last turn on to the front straight.....

[Track Junky]

That's a pretty neat trick with Turn 11 being the last turn on to the front straight.....

Says the new member of the jack stand army.......:lol:

[GregWeld]

Says the new member of the jack stand army.......:lol:



You forget I own TWO cars....


The Mustang was scheduled for the Ron Sutton Race Technologies "do over".... the motor issue is just incidental. I WILL be at Thunderhill in October.

[Track Junky]

Most familiar view to everyone in NorCal Shelby expert class :lol:

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[Track Junky]

You forget I own TWO cars....


The Mustang was scheduled for the Ron Sutton Race Technologies "do over".... the motor issue is just incidental. I WILL be at Thunderhill in October.

Oh.....you mean the one you said you were going to blow me away in?

How'd that work out for ya........:lol:

[intocarss]

Most familiar view to everyone in NorCal Shelby expert class :lol:

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I should hope so

[GregWeld]

Oh.....you mean the one you said you were going to blow me away in?

How'd that work out for ya........:lol:





Let me know when you pass me... so far I haven't seen it.

[Track Junky]

Let me know when you pass me... so far I haven't seen it.

You need to stay on the track next time I come up behind you instead of pulling off. You must be the one who missed the drivers meeting. Don't you remember when they said if a car from behind has come from out of no where it is likely that you are running slower :yes:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

http://thekingmaker.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/p-30171-muhammad-ali-joe-frazier-16x20-photo-ali-frazier-iii-gorilla-ssg-uma-jf-16b.jpg In before the gorilla

[DBasher]

Is it time for the LS or is it a simple 4-5K repair/refresh?

Sounds like everyone had a hoot and kept the cars together for the most part.

:thumbsup:
Dan

[Sieg]

Is it time for the LS or is it a simple 4-5K repair/refresh?

Sounds like everyone had a hoot and kept the cars together for the most part.

:thumbsup:
Dan
It was a great time! Couldn't ask for better weather or overall track conditions. Greg was really starting to fly and feeling confident in the little pony midway through Saturday's sessions and it threw a shoe again. You know when you're throttle steering it through T7 you're having a good time! First it appeared to be a fuel delivery issue (pressure regulator) and on Sunday's third session it failed.

Hopefully the tear down of that motor will reveal the cause(s) of the reliability issues. When that motor is working proper it sounds great and more importantly the power delivery is controllable and abundant. That equals fun as all get out to drive which is what this is all about! Considering how he treats the motor at the very least he should get two or three seasons without ANY issues IMO.

The first session on Saturday Greg is right in front of me leaving the hot pits and punches it a little to test traction and leaves two 15' blackies..........and I'm just smiling thinking how great it is to be a kid again. :D

Sears Point is an awesome track, no time to relax and plenty of opportunity to get in trouble which makes it very exciting. Pictures are coming.

Having never been on the track before the first day was learning lines especially since I didn't get a chance to do a track walk. Saturday night I walked the track by myself and learned A LOT which helped my lines and confidence on Sunday. My last session on Sunday was the most enjoyable as I was confidently starting to carry a fair amount of speed, enough that I had to tell myself to keep it in check because my lines and techniques are still far from what I'd consider refined. The little Lotus is very user friendly and amazingly potent. Greg proved that Sunday afternoon against some very serious car and driver combinations.

[DBasher]

Good to hear Sieg, well not about the motor but these things happen. Looking forward to the pictures as well as Sutton and Welds plan for the car.

Rusto, how'd the lil falcon do?

Dan

[GregWeld]

You need to stay on the track next time I come up behind you instead of pulling off. You must be the one who missed the drivers meeting. Don't you remember when they said if a car from behind has come from out of no where it is likely that you are running slower :yes:




Good luck with that.

[GregWeld]

It was a lot of fun and nobody missed Charley....












It was a great time! Couldn't ask for better weather or overall track conditions. Greg was really starting to fly and feeling confident in the little pony midway through Saturday's sessions and it threw a shoe again. You know when you're throttle steering it through T7 you're having a good time! First it appeared to be a fuel delivery issue (pressure regulator) and on Sunday's third session it failed.

Hopefully the tear down of that motor will reveal the cause(s) of the reliability issues. When that motor is working proper it sounds great and more importantly the power delivery is controllable and abundant. That equals fun as all get out to drive which is what this is all about! Considering how he treats the motor at the very least he should get two or three seasons without ANY issues IMO.

The first session on Saturday Greg is right in front of me leaving the hot pits and punches it a little to test traction and leaves two 15' blackies..........and I'm just smiling thinking how great it is to be a kid again. :D

Sears Point is an awesome track, no time to relax and plenty of opportunity to get in trouble which makes it very exciting. Pictures are coming.

Having never been on the track before the first day was learning lines especially since I didn't get a chance to do a track walk. Saturday night I walked the track by myself and learned A LOT which helped my lines and confidence on Sunday. My last session on Sunday was the most enjoyable as I was confidently starting to carry a fair amount of speed, enough that I had to tell myself to keep it in check because my lines and techniques are still far from what I'd consider refined. The little Lotus is very user friendly and amazingly potent. Greg proved that Sunday afternoon against some very serious car and driver combinations.

[GregWeld]

RE: The pony motor


My guess is it went lean. All the messing around with the carb trying to make it work without the regulator may or may not have had something to factor in IDK. I was hard in to it when whatever it was let go. The exhaust was almost white instead of the usual dove grey.

Doesn't really matter to me... we'll just build it over or put something else in. It'll be up and running for the October 5 mile at Thunderhill. Should have all new suspension as well as tires and wheels... so that will be a complete new tuning and set up challenge. Ron Sutton Race Technologies will be on the job dialing it all in.



GAETANO..... all I saw when I checked my mirrors was you getting smaller and falling further behind. Lucky for you I had a pressure regulator fail and had to go to the pits to see what was wrong. That probably saved you some embarrassment. The skinny little 245's out gunning the steam rollers. Maybe more motor will help you next event? LOL

[Sieg]

First session on Saturday in green group during lap 2 or 3 everybody was reminded that this is a dangerous and expensive hobby. Story is he spun in his own fluid coming out of T8. Mike in our group was a couple cars behind and said he had to catch his car coming through the section and was pretty sure something was on the track.

From what I heard the car let go then hooked up and shot left off track and moved a 7,000 pound K wall and thankfully the driver was fine. I'm guessing the speed through that section is 80-90 mph and the K wall is 50-75' off the track.

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What this reinforced for me is the first session is an acclamation period for the driver and car. Pushing 9 or 10 tenths first session out isn't in anyones best interest IMO.

What's the track like today?

Are you on your game or maybe feeling slightly off?

Is the car near a 100% or was it apart prior to the event and not tested or thoroughly safety checked?

Could that fluid leak issue have been detected prior with a couple easy laps or could the crash have been prevented running the first session at 70-80%?

All speculation but worthy of consideration.......again IMO.

[Sieg]

It was a lot of fun and nobody missed Charley....

Charley?

Who's dat? :sieg:

[Sieg]

Garage Friday evening right next to the track entry.
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Falcon being prepped for battle.
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Very serious competition for the Falcon.
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Setting the tone for Saturday.........at an extremely early hour for Dave!
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Celebrity sighting!
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[Sieg]

Pony in the stable.
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Loti
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Do not underestimate this retiree.
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Pete was the one spinning in Gaetano's photos.

Speaking of Gaetano.
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Mike's real race car.
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Mike and Sue pit cruising.
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[Sieg]

Fords, Fords, and more Fords.
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...and the spinner.
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[clill]

Why you guys would screw with the jetting on that Tony Oddo built carb is beyond me. Tony built the engine and carb together. He told me don't screw with anything. :G-Dub:

[Sieg]

Little Mike showing the tight line around T11.
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[Richio1]

Now its getting good. This is the trash talk I was looking for.

Great pics G & Sieg. Keep em coming. :goggles:

[Sieg]

Pete showing the tweener line.
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[Sieg]

Now its getting good. This is the trash talk I was looking for.

Great pics G & Sieg. Keep em coming. :goggles:

Well, you should have heard what Greg & April had to say about Charlie at Hot August Nights. :stirthepot:

:D

[GregWeld]

Why you guys would screw with the jetting on that Tony Oddo built carb is beyond me. Tony built the engine and carb together. He told me don't screw with anything. :G-Dub:



Because you sold me a LEMON POS.... and the fact that the Pressure regulator took a dump -- having nothing to do with Tony Oddo..... but the carb/motor combo found it difficult to run with 14 psi of fuel puking past the seats and flooding the motor. NOBODY EVER SAID we screwed with the jetting --- which wasn't touched. The float level was adjusted in an effort to keep the pig of a motor running so I could make it out to the track.

[glassman]

Sorry to hear about the car Greg. Hope you get it sorted out asap.

I plan on running T-Hill with you guys in mid October (17th ish?), right after driving home from the G-Guys Texas road trip....Got the roll bar back half in, waiting on custome door panels for the down bars, but i 'll feel a lot more comfortable having a roll bar and harness at the trac as opposed to just a seat belt....till then, keep it sunny side up:topic:

[GregWeld]

Sorry to hear about the car Greg. Hope you get it sorted out asap.

I plan on running T-Hill with you guys in mid October (17th ish?), right after driving home from the G-Guys Texas road trip....Got the roll bar back half in, waiting on custome door panels for the down bars, but i 'll feel a lot more comfortable having a roll bar and harness at the trac as opposed to just a seat belt....till then, keep it sunny side up:topic:



Thanks for the warning.... I'll remember to bring plenty of ammo.

[GregWeld]

So I know we "spar" about passing and lap times and on and on... it's all good fun.

The thing I think about when everyone on here is spending big dough to have huge horsey power - and the latest in fat tires... and the most awesome clutch in the history of the universe.... is --- I bought this Lotus for 60 grand... and spent another 10 or so grand on getting it race worthy... so about 1/3rd to a half of what building a Camaro runs these days... and other than change oil between events all you do to drive this car is set the tire pressures. Yes -- there's some passing going on in this short video. This little POS car makes it appear as though the others in the group are applying brakes on the straights...LOL

The first 'Vette is a ZR1 that is tracked regularly and you've seen it fly by the Mustang in other videos.




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[Sieg]

........and it uses 8-9 gallons of 92 octane for the entire day.

[DaleTx]

Nice driving Greg!... looks like car and driver are getting dialed in :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Great pics Sieg. I knew there had to be a reason you were invited.

[GregWeld]

Nice driving Greg!... looks like car and driver are getting dialed in :thumbsup:



Thanks Dale! I hope you enjoyed the USCA event!! We had a ball at Sonoma.





Great pics Sieg. I knew there had to be a reason you were invited.






FINALLY SOMEONE IS CATCHING ON!!!

[Panteracer]

Looks like I missed a great day at Mini Nats
Gaetano... wondering how many times you passed
that white Fox Bodied #9 Mustang.. one of my buddies
Dave Murry and he is really fast.. chases the Winston
cup cars....I don't think he watched track junky pulling away:)

I hope to bring the Pantera to Thunderhill in October
Checkered flag (started by Pantera owners) is running
on the Monday afterwards so I may hit Sunday to learn
the new track as my buddy Viper boy has already been
there once so I don't want to give him too much of an
edge. It would be great to hang out with you guys.. try
not to break anything

Pantera has been a pain lately..going to the Italiano show
in Monterey next week and it seems to not like car shows
Burned the rotor up one week.. on the hook home and running
an hour later.. then on fire the next week.. blew an oil cooler line
but it burned mostly oil on the headers that set the air cleaner
on fire and killed the motor.. two squirts with the Fire Extinquisher
and it was out.. what a mess to clean up. it is still dripping oil
out of the frame rails..

All good now and new lines.. thinking about that suppression
system I never put on the car

Panteracer

[Track Junky]

That's funny. He was my biggest competitor. Stayed on my tail but could not ever get around me lap after lap. I'll post some pics.
It would be great to chat with him. If you talk to him can you find out his lap times. I think I was a bit faster but not by much.

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http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/NorCalShelbyatSonoma046.jpg
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http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/NorCalShelbyatSonoma048.jpg

[GregWeld]

Bob --- I think it's a thing with FORD motors.... None of my Chevrolet stuff breaks.


Sorry to hear of the foibles! And would love to see ya in October! Hope the Ferd will be done but if not I'll run the little 1.8 liter Loti - it kicks ass on Fords and Chevy's.






Looks like I missed a great day at Mini Nats
Gaetano... wondering how many times you passed
that white Fox Bodied #9 Mustang.. one of my buddies
Dave Murry and he is really fast.. chases the Winston
cup cars....I don't think he watched track junky pulling away:)

I hope to bring the Pantera to Thunderhill in October
Checkered flag (started by Pantera owners) is running
on the Monday afterwards so I may hit Sunday to learn
the new track as my buddy Viper boy has already been
there once so I don't want to give him too much of an
edge. It would be great to hang out with you guys.. try
not to break anything

Pantera has been a pain lately..going to the Italiano show
in Monterey next week and it seems to not like car shows
Burned the rotor up one week.. on the hook home and running
an hour later.. then on fire the next week.. blew an oil cooler line
but it burned mostly oil on the headers that set the air cleaner
on fire and killed the motor.. two squirts with the Fire Extinquisher
and it was out.. what a mess to clean up. it is still dripping oil
out of the frame rails..

All good now and new lines.. thinking about that suppression
system I never put on the car

Panteracer

[Vegas69]

I can see why the white car couldn't get around, the jack ass in the orange car would give him a point by. :action-smiley-027:

[Flash68]

That's funny. He was my biggest competitor. Stayed on my tail but could not ever get around me lap after lap. I'll post some pics.
It would be great to chat with him. If you talk to him can you find out his lap times. I think I was a bit faster but not by much.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/NorCalShelbyatSonoma045.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/NorCalShelbyatSonoma046.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/NorCalShelbyatSonoma047.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab73/Gitter_Dun/NorCalShelbyatSonoma048.jpg

Sure looks like one of those guys who won't give a point-by when he should to me....


:peepwall:



EDIT: Todd sees the same thing. LOL

[Track Junky]

Sure looks like one of those guys who won't give a point-by when he should to me....


:peepwall:



EDIT: Todd sees the same thing. LOL

Whats that.....I cant understand you guys..... I don't speak Car-less.

OH, and just a heads up....point by's are for ameatures :hapdance:

[Flash68]

Whats that.....I cant understand you guys..... I don't speak Car-less.

OH, and just a heads up....point by's are for ameatures :hapdance:

Who else thinks there's a guy in white mustang posting on some forum saying "there was this asshat in an orange 69 Camaro who thought he was Dale Jr and just would not let me pass all day no matter how close I got to his bumper."

[Track Junky]

Who else thinks there's a guy in white mustang posting on some forum saying "there was this asshat in an orange 69 Camaro who thought he was Dale Jr and just would not let me pass all day no matter how close I got to his bumper."


:action-smiley-027: :action-smiley-027: :action-smiley-027:

[Vegas69]

Who else thinks there's a guy in white mustang posting on some forum saying "there was this asshat in an orange 69 Camaro who thought he was Dale Jr and just would not let me pass all day no matter how close I got to his bumper."

He's thinking it...

With Weld, it was probably like the little old lady you can't see from behind. You look over when you pass and there is someone driving..

:action-smiley-027:

[Track Junky]

He's thinking it...

With Weld, it was probably like the little old lady you can't see from behind. You look over when you pass and there is someone driving..

:action-smiley-027:

Just like the good old days. Bout time you came around asshat. :welcome3:

[GregWeld]

This is just amazing --- and no --- I'm not talking about G's or Todd's driving skills... that would imply they had some...




w1m2Kx3Xr2o

[Sieg]

Great pics Sieg. I knew there had to be a reason you were invited.

Thanks............:cheers:
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mBGbxpK/1/X2/i-mBGbxpK-X2.jpg

A quickie for Rob
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zTh5X6L/0/XL/i-zTh5X6L-XL.jpg

GW hard on the binders............name the corner. :D
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KW3jjr6/0/XL/i-KW3jjr6-XL.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Whats that.....I cant understand you guys..... I don't speak Car-less.

OH, and just a heads up....point by's are for ameatures :hapdance:

that and you'd be in the dirt if you took a hand off the wheel with that ****** up steering of your's.

[Sieg]

OH, and just a heads up....point by's are for ameatures :hapdance:
Or if you want to sucker a guy into getting a black flag. :sieg:

[SSLance]

GW hard on the binders............name the corner. :D
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KW3jjr6/0/XL/i-KW3jjr6-XL.jpg




Turn 11 no?

and that indy car video... :ohsnap:

[GregWeld]

If it was the Mustang that would be easy ----- PIT ROAD

[Sieg]

Turn 11 no?

and that indy car video... :ohsnap:
Winning :D

If it was the Mustang that would be easy ----- PIT ROAD
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Track Junky]

Or if you want to sucker a guy into getting a black flag. :sieg:

Pete can vouch for that :yes:

[Sieg]

Pete can vouch for that :yes:
I was suckered in 3a first session. GW appeared to have diplomatic immunity all weekend.

:bang:

[Sieg]

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-DQHMNNJ/0/XL/i-DQHMNNJ-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-stDCwjQ/0/XL/i-stDCwjQ-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wcWWXmR/0/XL/i-wcWWXmR-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-tLtHVhF/0/XL/i-tLtHVhF-XL.jpg

[GregWeld]

Why did you make Pete look bad ass and you make me look fat??

[Sieg]

Why did you make Pete look bad ass and you make me look fat??
Fixed it for ya. :action-smiley-027:

[GregWeld]

Fixed it for ya. :action-smiley-027:




Fat is fat.... can't hide it... :>)





It is a better pic though I like the dual salute... more my style!

[Sieg]

Fat is fat.... can't hide it... :>)

It is a better pic though I like the dual salute... more my style!

Let's be PC and call it thick.

Had to get the obligatory salute......one for Charley and one Wild Card.

[Payton King]

I thought that gesture was you showing..."I'm #1"

[GregWeld]

I thought that gesture was you showing..."I'm #1"




You need to ADD both fingers -- as I'm usually known as a # 2

[Panteracer]

Just to be sure was the orange car running in blue
group? If not then you were running with Dave's girlfriend
If so she is pretty fast and there are no point bys in blue group

Wiener dog guys are a great group I ran with them for a few years
in my mustang. Last time I ran with them I was meat balled for 104/105 db
even after they showed me the sound meter. Have not been back to Sears
I did have a set of mufflers built so I can now

Dave is close to one of the fastest in blue group
If old orange can hold him back I might have to put a Chevy
in the Pantera. But never an Ls:)

Panteracer #3

[Track Junky]

Dave registered OTEC and he didn't register another driver with the 9 car. Unless NorCal Shelby Club allows him special privileges I'd have to say it was him.

Better start shopping.........:lol:

[Sieg]

Spotted this beauty at McGee Motorsports.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N8VNdk7/0/XL/i-N8VNdk7-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zSZqR32/0/XL/i-zSZqR32-XL.jpg

[Sieg]

The dark side of tracking a really nice car.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-P7SWcDR/0/XL/i-P7SWcDR-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r938hBj/0/XL/i-r938hBj-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jHM6b22/0/X2/i-jHM6b22-X2.jpg

[Sieg]

Tuning table.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QcZ5WFr/0/XL/i-QcZ5WFr-XL.jpg

After session worksheet. No rotor temps due to failed temp gun.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xWMwK6L/0/XL/i-xWMwK6L-XL.jpg

[GregWeld]

Gaetano was registered in Green group (Advanced) which is the group that Charley, Pete, Chet, Mike and I all run. Blue group (Expert) is WAY faster than Green and the cars/driver combinations are "racers" vs what I'd
call our group "track rats".

Dave (#9) is OTEC and can run any group he chooses. A Green group stickered car can not run in Blue group - but a blue group car could be run in Green if the session isn't full. Sieg even managed to run the Lotus in Red while sporting a Green group sticker.

Sundays are generally far less crowded than Saturdays and are more fun to me with less traffic to contend with in all groups.








Just to be sure was the orange car running in blue
group? If not then you were running with Dave's girlfriend
If so she is pretty fast and there are no point bys in blue group

Wiener dog guys are a great group I ran with them for a few years
in my mustang. Last time I ran with them I was meat balled for 104/105 db
even after they showed me the sound meter. Have not been back to Sears
I did have a set of mufflers built so I can now

Dave is close to one of the fastest in blue group
If old orange can hold him back I might have to put a Chevy
in the Pantera. But never an Ls:)

Panteracer #3

[GregWeld]

THIS is exactly why the Mustang was scheduled in to get some upgrades. Ron Sutton will do the math for you (you PAY HIM) and show you why you shouldn't be running 1965 STOCK ball joints and bearings and spindles --- when you're also running fat sticky Hoosiers etc. The stock stuff just isn't up to the task....

Racing is expensive (we really don't race but that's the best description) - it gets way more expensive quickly when your car comes off track on a rollback. I'd rather be a little proactive and fix it before it happens.

Here's the other thing... When your car works better (thank you Ron Sutton Race Technologies!) you go faster and harder... which puts even MORE stress on parts. The tire temps creep up - the brake temps creep up ----- and all that heat is put into the bearings and spindles... Why would a guy try to build an 800 hp motor - quadruple the tire sizes from stock - and not upgrade these other critical parts?






The dark side of tracking a really nice car.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-P7SWcDR/0/XL/i-P7SWcDR-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r938hBj/0/XL/i-r938hBj-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jHM6b22/0/X2/i-jHM6b22-X2.jpg

[Vegas69]

Two reasons, he doesn't know better or doesn't have the funds. How many racers do you know that would spend there last nickel on a go fast part?

I'm with you, this is serious business.

[DBasher]

Isn't that the same set up you currently have? Was it just the ballpoint or did the spindle fail, I can't tell.

[Sieg]

A fully documented one of six GT ordered without factory stripes that's campaigned in Vintage Racing East and West.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FzN2ZFS/1/XL/i-FzN2ZFS-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4pPmkfX/1/XL/i-4pPmkfX-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BXx7wX5/1/XL/i-BXx7wX5-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mBQLPvh/1/XL/i-mBQLPvh-XL.jpg

[clill]

Your yellow car has been faster than most for years as is. I think this is more of you just can't sit still.:twak:

[GregWeld]

NOTHING gets done without the CheeseBalls!










Tuning table.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QcZ5WFr/0/XL/i-QcZ5WFr-XL.jpg

[GregWeld]

Your yellow car has been faster than most for years as is. I think this is more of you just can't sit still.:twak:



GUILTY AS CHARGED.

[Sieg]

Sieg even managed to run the Lotus in Red while sporting a Green group sticker.

Sundays are generally far less crowded than Saturdays and are more fun to me with less traffic to contend with in all groups.
Busted! I got head-faked by Ron rushing to get Greg's tires set and Pete and Greg appeared to be hurrying to get fuel. So I just suited up and headed down to the hot pit and the cars had just been released and they were all waving at me to go go go! LOL

As it worked out there was about 50% less cars on track than the green group, in the no passing zones their pace killed your lap times, but in the gaps I could really focus on my lines and rhythm vs maintaining pace which I really needed having never been to this track before. Being trapped in the esses would result in 2:20-2:25 laps, I think the best finish line to finish lap in this video was a 2:02. Which according to Ron's timing was a couple seconds faster than many cars were running in the green session I was supposed to be in. :sieg:

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[GregWeld]

Two reasons, he doesn't know better or doesn't have the funds. How many racers do you know that would spend there last nickel on a go fast part?

I'm with you, this is serious business.




I actually think that it's people "DON'T KNOW" because until recently - we didn't have a Ron Sutton on board that knows and is willing to share.... I really think it's something we just don't put much thought to. We (as a group) are not racers -- we're basically hot rodders.... and we hot rod what we know. More motor - big brakes - big fat sticky tires - Fancy paint and a little gap spray. That all works until you go to start to beat on this stuff!

The reason I'm even mentioning it is to RAISE AWARENESS for others here that are more and more trying to track their cars.




Isn't that the same set up you currently have? Was it just the ballpoint or did the spindle fail, I can't tell.



Chicken and the egg..... did he have an off track excursion and cause breakage or did he break and go off track? I didn't talk to him so I can't answer the question.



Here's what I do know - and what I do think about - now that RS has brought this all to my little pea brain...

Speeds on these tracks are quite high... and that K wall starts rushing up at you real quick - like at the exit of T10 in Sonoma. I don't need to smack that because of a few parts that can easily be uprated. Frankly -- If I knew I was only going to take myself "out" -- okay -- but I'd sure hate to take out one or two other innocent guys with me because I was negligent (now that I know the dangers/potential issues).

[Ron Sutton]

The weak point in these cars ... and by that I mean ALL 60's-80's production cars from GM, Ford & Chrysler ... are the:
1. Front spindle snouts (very small, made with low grade steel - Prone to overheating, becoming brittle & snapping)
2. The front spindle/hub bearings (Small - not made for this kind of load or heat - Prone to overheating & self destructing)
3. The ball joints (Small shanks, made with low grade steel, over heat treated - Prone to snapping off)
4. The rear 1-piece flange type axle (Design not intended for high power twist & high-G side loads we put on them. Made with low grade steel - Prone to breaking flange off at bearing.)
5. Rear axle bearings (Open Roller or Ball Bearing Roller) - Never designed for the high-G side loads we put on them - Prone to disintegrating.)

They were very safe for street driving with G70-14 tires ... like they were intended. But we put modern suspensions, wide/sticky tires, hotter brakes & big HP in these these cool cars ... and the 5 areas I listed above are the weak links.

I'm not surprised they break. I'm surprised they last as well as they do. But it's like playing Russian roulette with a 24 bullet cylinder. Yes, the odds are better than a 6 bullet cylinder, but eventually it's going to bite you.

There are cheap ways to reduce your risk. And there are spendy ways to upgrade these areas where they are no longer a weak link.

[Chassisworks]

While I agree 100% with all of Ron's points, the blue Mustang went off track with all parts intact. The wreck caused the balljoint to break, not the other way around. We spoke to the customer a day or so after the fact.

[DBasher]

Carl are those stock spindles on the fastback, they don't look quite the same as mine, maybe just a later year.

Besides the BJ, how did the rest of the equipment do? And just to clarify, I'm not throwing stones or starting anything, (this time) just trying to learn.

Dan

[Sieg]

While I agree 100% with all of Ron's points, the blue Mustang went off track with all parts intact. The wreck caused the balljoint to break, not the other way around. We spoke to the customer a day or so after the fact.
Off track not due to component failure was my understanding. There was grass pinched in the rim that indicated to me that an impact caused the ball joint to separate.

Carl did your customer mention where he went off at?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

that car broke from the impact and not impact due to breakage. Hard to prepare for that. Is that Griggs equipment? they are pretty sturdy.

I agree Greg, everything needs to be stepped up several notches.

edit, sorry, missed the last page.

THIS is exactly why the Mustang was scheduled in to get some upgrades. Ron Sutton will do the math for you (you PAY HIM) and show you why you shouldn't be running 1965 STOCK ball joints and bearings and spindles --- when you're also running fat sticky Hoosiers etc. The stock stuff just isn't up to the task....

Racing is expensive (we really don't race but that's the best description) - it gets way more expensive quickly when your car comes off track on a rollback. I'd rather be a little proactive and fix it before it happens.

Here's the other thing... When your car works better (thank you Ron Sutton Race Technologies!) you go faster and harder... which puts even MORE stress on parts. The tire temps creep up - the brake temps creep up ----- and all that heat is put into the bearings and spindles... Why would a guy try to build an 800 hp motor - quadruple the tire sizes from stock - and not upgrade these other critical parts?

[Chassisworks]

I can't say anything about the poor guy's incident with 100% certainty as I am not the one who spoke to him. It sucks to see but it's better to bend a fender by breaking a small part than it is to bend the frame.

Everything else is fine as far AFAIK.

The spindles appear to be stock 65-66 style.

I dunno where he went off, Sieg. I figured you were there and would be able to tell me, haha! I notice the tires aren't anything particularly sticky so there are a lot of possibilities. I could speculate but that's the same as assuming and we all know how that works out. :)

I wish I could have been there, as I would have asked him, but stuff at home required my attention.

[Sieg]

Sorry you couldn't make, would have been nice to see you again. :thumbsup:

The driver wasn't around so I couldn't get the good gossip. It had my curiosity because of the front impact below the bumper and the right rocker.......just couldn't figure out where that might have happened and not hit a wall too.

I remember looking at those tires and thinking they certainly didn't help and probably were the cause. :(

[clill]

I have the perfect solution Greg. I'll trade you straight across either my Dale Earnhart # 3 car or my Tony Stewart # 20 car for the Mustang. You won't have to screw with all that outdated unsafe stuff that we have all been running for years and you will have big brakes, tires, dry sump, big safety cage, fire system etc.

[mdprovee]

Spotted this beauty at McGee Motorsports.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N8VNdk7/0/XL/i-N8VNdk7-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zSZqR32/0/XL/i-zSZqR32-XL.jpg

A buddy of mine, Michael Thompson is a partner there. Nice place.

[DBasher]

Nice floor Charlie.

[Sieg]

A buddy of mine, Michael Thompson is a partner there. Nice place.From my observations they really understand servicing their customers too! :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

Nice floor Charlie.
Run of the mill museum finish.

[GregWeld]

I have the perfect solution Greg. I'll trade you straight across either my Dale Earnhart # 3 car or my Tony Stewart # 20 car for the Mustang. You won't have to screw with all that outdated unsafe stuff that we have all been running for years and you will have big brakes, tires, dry sump, big safety cage, fire system etc.




I hate Orange (well... and yellow too) and can't find it in my heart to drive a dead guys car (that's just bad juju). So you're cut. Besides -- I STOLE the Mustang and you're never going to recover from it. And Jack Mauer will double my money when I'm ready to sell. <where's the tongue sticking out icon?>

[GregWeld]

Nice floor Charlie.

Run of the mill museum finish.





That's nothing but a floor for my little Lotus to puke oil on... it looked way better when that little POS was sitting in there.

[intocarss]

I have the perfect solution Greg. I'll trade you straight across either my Dale Earnhart # 3 car or my Tony Stewart # 20 car for the Mustang. You won't have to screw with all that outdated unsafe stuff that we have all been running for years and you will have big brakes, tires, dry sump, big safety cage, fire system etc.

You're my hero :hello:

[rustomatic]

Hey Dan,

Thanks for asking about the Falcon! It did great--I was only in the yellow group, as this was my second track day, but if it says anything, I was lapping my group members in the second run. In most of the pictures, I'm alone, even though there were something like 35 cars in each group...

They've got great pics of all of our cars at www.gotbluemilk.com--they're the track photogs, and kick butt at their jobs...

Good to hear Sieg, well not about the motor but these things happen. Looking forward to the pictures as well as Sutton and Welds plan for the car.

Rusto, how'd the lil falcon do?

Dan

[rustomatic]

Sieg,

You rock with the camera--thanks for the great documentation of the metal out there! It was good meeting you again--good times!

Garage Friday evening right next to the track entry.
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Falcon being prepped for battle.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-k9zNxTQ/0/XL/i-k9zNxTQ-XL.jpg

Very serious competition for the Falcon.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-z2zmt43/0/XL/i-z2zmt43-XL.jpg

Setting the tone for Saturday.........at an extremely early hour for Dave!
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mxhzT9K/0/X2/i-mxhzT9K-X2.jpg

Celebrity sighting!
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MJKhgNW/0/X2/i-MJKhgNW-X2.jpg

[GregWeld]

You're my hero :hello:





So....... You've never actually met him have you.......

[GregWeld]

I'm really just going to turn the Mustang into the race car you always wanted.
LOL










I have the perfect solution Greg. I'll trade you straight across either my Dale Earnhart # 3 car or my Tony Stewart # 20 car for the Mustang. You won't have to screw with all that outdated unsafe stuff that we have all been running for years and you will have big brakes, tires, dry sump, big safety cage, fire system etc.

[GregWeld]

It was fun to put a face and a handshake to the name! Glad you came out and had a good time! I used to run Yellow group and had a blast... Frankly -- track time is track time and I don't really care what group I'm in. Apparently either does Sieg... but I digress. You car was awesome. Next time bring it up to Thunderhill and run the full 5 miles in October with us.




Hey Dan,

Thanks for asking about the Falcon! It did great--I was only in the yellow group, as this was my second track day, but if it says anything, I was lapping my group members in the second run. In most of the pictures, I'm alone, even though there were something like 35 cars in each group...

They've got great pics of all of our cars at www.gotbluemilk.com--they're the track photogs, and kick butt at their jobs...

[rustomatic]

Just to reinforce the point, Carl, I've done a hard, airborne 180 into a ditch on my road (really nice, along American River) that bent steel rims (2, front and rear), tie rods, and leaf spring shackles. Other things were a bit damaged as well (see passenger side of my Falcon), but my TCP upper arms laughed at the impact. (My Global West lowers survived nicely as well.) The K772-type screw-in ball joints are used quite successfully by many racers of different stripes, with full confidence.

I wouldn't leave my house with stock '65 Mustang tie rods, however...

While I agree 100% with all of Ron's points, the blue Mustang went off track with all parts intact. The wreck caused the balljoint to break, not the other way around. We spoke to the customer a day or so after the fact.

[Sieg]

Apparently either does Sieg... but I digress.
Be right back!

.............searching photo galleries for extra special image of Greg. :unibrow:

[Chassisworks]

Just to reinforce the point, Carl...

The check's in the mail, dude. :thankyou:


(Note, there will be no actual checks being issued.)

[Sieg]

Here's the rest of Rusto's ride.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-v4sT2P8/1/XL/i-v4sT2P8-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Vt77hDH/1/XL/i-Vt77hDH-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-5xTBtW4/1/XL/i-5xTBtW4-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CGn9KHC/1/X2/i-CGn9KHC-X2.jpg

It's one of those cars at the track that just puts a good old fashion smile on your face. :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

......and in the red corner representing the Jackstand Class

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-G9nKV7D/0/XL/i-G9nKV7D-XL.jpg

:underchair:

[Matt@BOS]

The dark side of tracking a really nice car.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-P7SWcDR/0/XL/i-P7SWcDR-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-r938hBj/0/XL/i-r938hBj-XL.jpg

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jHM6b22/0/X2/i-jHM6b22-X2.jpg

My car probably would have looked like that if I had been running BFG Sport Comps out there.

[Sieg]

Another shot of this Mustang just because.....

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2SPHvnM/0/XL/i-2SPHvnM-XL.jpg

[DBasher]

Rusto what a bad ass little car! Thanks for the picture link, they really do get some great shots....I think I'll buy a couple and have you, Greg and Greg's man friend sign them at another event!

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Dan

[GregWeld]

Another shot of this Mustang just because.....

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2SPHvnM/0/XL/i-2SPHvnM-XL.jpg




Just a bad ass car --- and running an LS motor...





Rusto what a bad ass little car! Thanks for the picture link, they really do get some great shots....I think I'll buy a couple and have you, Greg and Greg's man friend sign them at another event!

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Dan





Just no.

[GregWeld]

My car probably would have looked like that if I had been running BFG Sport Comps out there.



Here's what I've come to learn in my VERY SHORT time tracking. Some guy blows past you like you're sittin' still... and since we're all competitive -- your foot goes down - your eyes glaze over - and it's "I'm going to catch that SOB!!"

What we have to learn.... that guy might be a real veteran driver -- might have super sticky tires - might have 100 hp on ya... might have a better set up car. You have a tendency to FORGET that you're on 200 tread wear tires -- don't really have the air pressures set up right -- don't have the wheel time - and the next thing you know - you're a spinning top (if you're lucky) or going into the weeds.

After doing that a couple times --- I don't chase -- I "gauge" to see if I can run with them but within MY driving skills and limits.... If they're just running off from me -- I let 'em go.

Everybody's car is different out there... so NOTHING is even. One day I'm struggling to stay behind a f'n MIATA and I'm working hard and driving a little over my head --- and I KNOW I should catch and pass a stink'n' Miata..... then I find out it's being driven by a pro Winston Cup driver.... This dude doesn't need any power -- He knows how to roll that thing thru corners! Live and learn... Learn to just drive what you brought and how you know how to drive.

[glassman]

Just a bad ass car --- and running an LS motor...











Just no.

NO SH!T? That just made it better hahaha....I love that car and its just badass with or without an engine, i could even Fred Flintstone that thing around the track...

[Panteracer]

Before I go buying any Chevy engines I will find
out who was driving Dave's car. It sometimes run in
three groups. Dave only runs in blue unless he gives
Someone a ride. He did share Joe Silvas car for a few
Years and was just bringing his car back after three years

Broken parts
Was crewing on a buddies can am car for a few years
and saw suspension parts break on several cars. Tire tech
is so much better now that they tear old race cars apart

Greg is right there is always someone faster. You need to keep
your head and learn how to drive your car. It's about having
fun and bench racing later. Things can go bad real quick. I found
Viper boy and I run together real good. One day he is faster the
next it is me. We give each other a bad time but all in good fun

[Sieg]

Rusto what a bad ass little car! Thanks for the picture link, they really do get some great shots....I think I'll buy a couple and have you, Greg and Greg's man friend sign them at another event!

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Dan
I can sell you autographed pictures of Pete.

Man friend.............http://www.advrider.com/forums/images/smilies/yousuck.png